 All right. Welcome everyone to our first CCC OER webinar of 2018 and this is Una Daly, the director of the Community College Consortium for OER at the Open Education Consortium. And we're thrilled to have folks from Monroe Community College with us today to talk about the OER initiatives at Monroe Community College and also some highlights around what SUNY is doing because I think all of us know a little bit about the opportunity that actually the whole state of New York recently received and our speakers will talk about that in some detail. So our agenda today is we're just going to give you a quick overview on some of the CCC OER activities that are coming up and then we're going to jump right in to hearing about what's happening at Monroe Community College and in the larger SUNY which is the State University of New York system for those of you who might be new to that. And let's meet our speakers. So first I'd like to introduce Katie Gidoo and I hope I'm pronouncing that correctly Katie. She is the Dean of Library Services at Monroe Community College within the SUNY system. Would you like to say hello Katie? Sure. Hi everyone. I'm and I'm actually the Director of Library Services. We're not called deans here but I'm happy to be here and and to answer any questions people have and share what we're doing. Thanks so much Katie and I'll correct the slides before we go. Oh thank you. I should have caught that. Wonderful. And we also have Dr. Rollo Fisher who is the Coral Director and Instructor at Monroe Community College. Yes it's Dr. Rollo Fisher. Yes and I do the Coral Directing as well as some of the other vocal techniques classes and other classes related to our music majors. Wonderful and I hear you've been doing some OER work. Yes so I'll speak more about it later but I have done OER for a voice class for non-majors and I'm currently this next summer going to be developing an OER for a class sequence that we offer which is called Oral Skills for one through four. Wonderful and I hope we I hope we have some choral instructors on. We'll make sure that we get this recording out to widely out to our members and colleges so that they can share this as well. So for those of you who might be new to the Community College Consortium for OER we are celebrating our 10-year anniversary this year and our mission hasn't really changed since we were founded although many of the strategies and the technology and best practices have moved along but basically it's about expanding awareness and access to high quality open educational resources. We support faculty choice and development. These professional the webinars are part of that professional development that we offer and ultimately it's about improving student success and how we can support faculty in that endeavor. Quick update on our membership map. In December we had to change up our map to include Hawaii and we're sort of still working on this but now we have Hawaii which we're just thrilled the University of Hawaii Community College system joined us in December along with a number of other wonderful colleges. You can find this information at our at our website under members if you want to get the full list but it's really wonderful to see this growth throughout the United States and in fact in North America we have Canadian members who work with us as well. So a really big event for us a big annual online event is the Open Education Week and it's generally well it's it's this is I think we're entering our sixth year and it's always in March and generally it's the first week of March and it and it is again this year and it's an opportunity for you to create awareness on your campus around Open Education. We have a lot of posters you can download from this website. My parent organization runs this but of course we at the Community College also participate in it to a large extent. So you can download things you can post webinars that are occurring and share those with folks at your campus. You can also showcase your materials to a global audience so you can go up there to that website and do a submit submit those resources if you want to provide webinars during that week that you want to share around the world. You can also post those there along with the links so that people can get in and these resources will stay up for an entire year. So we get people all over the world lots lots and lots of participation each year it keeps growing so we hope that you'll join us in whatever capacity makes sense at your institution. I'd like to mention the Open Education Global Conference. This is an amazing opportunity to meet people from around the world who are involved in Open Education on a face-to-face basis. So if you get a taste from Open Ed Week you might want to join us for one of these global conferences this year in the Netherlands it's in Delft in April or maybe in an upcoming year and the way this works is that the Open Education Consortium has members in over 49 countries and our members submit in a competitive application to host this conference each year and so it moves each year country to country. Last year it was in South Africa and this year it's in the Netherlands and next year it's going to be on another continent. I can't mention that name yet because we'll be announced at the conference but it's a wonderful opportunity to meet educators around the world who are focused on broadening open education and expanding access. Alright enough about CCCO and OEC now I want to move towards towards our SUNY presentation and I just I was trying to figure out kind of an overview slide here to talk about New York and naturally SUNY is the focus of today but both SUNY and CUNY which are sometimes I hear it pronounced CUNY so I'm not sure which is the appropriate pronunciation for that but that is the City University of New York system they each received four million dollars back in the spring or that it was announced in the spring that the governor the state legislature of New York was providing that money for developing open educational resources programs practices the policies throughout both systems and the grant was what is called a performance period of the grant was one year and I believe that started July 1st and so those of us in the open education field were so excited to hear about this about this opportunity for the CUNY and SUNY systems and I know that I've attended a few conferences I've had phone calls with some folks and heard about the great stuff that's happening in New York and how you're putting that money to good work for your students and so I'm so very pleased to have Monroe Community College who is one of the leaders in this area come and tell us about not only does their work but Katie is going to kind of set the framework for what's happening in SUNY overall and then dive down into what's happening at Monroe and then we have the pleasure of hearing from Dr. Rollo Fisher about what he's doing as part of that program so I'm going to turn this over to Katie now who is oh I got it correct on this slide Katie the director of library services and if you want to ask me for the yes wonderful for the keyboard you can move your own slides yeah you do have it correct so I think I just didn't catch it on the first one I'm sorry about that let me just make sure I can move forward should be at the bottom of your screen the arrows there you go you click on that okay yep thank you sorry about that everyone yeah so I'm the library director at Monroe Community College and on our campus the library's taken a pretty large role in supporting OER and supporting our wonderful faculty who are choosing to use OER but we're just one of 64 campuses in SUNY so the State University of New York and I have a picture up here and for those of you who aren't familiar those 64 institutions range from you know university centers to comprehensive colleges to technology colleges and community college colleges and we're one of the latter and it's all over New York State so we actually have we're not as far apart as you say the California system but there is some distance between us and as I mentioned last last year it was announced that New York State the New York State budget was going to fund eight million dollars to support OER initiatives and half of that was going to go to SUNY the focus was going to be on high enrollment general education courses but what was interesting is that when the money came to SUNY they decided to split it up and give each campus a certain allotment and then each campus could really determine how they wanted to use that funding so how Monroe chose to use it might be different than how another college chose to use that funding but the basics were that any college who wanted to be involved received a baseline of $20,000 to work with and then you received additional funding for each student enrolled in an online or not online in an OER course over the year and you can see there's a little bit of an incentive if all sections of a course were OER so each campus ended up with a slightly different amount of funding to work with and then the requirements were that each campus who wanted to be part of this had to develop a model a sustainability model so when the funding went away how are we going to be able to sustain the work and that the funding should be used to help existing or new OER initiatives on the campus so again it was up to the campus to determine how they wanted to use it and what was interesting is that I guess I'll leave this slide up here for a minute I think we all know what open educational resources are but we found that different states maybe will use a different definition for what an OER course is and so we use the standard Hewlett OER definition so teaching learning and research resources that reside in the public domain or been released under an intellectual property license that permits repurposing by others but in New York State did is that any course that uses a majority of materials a majority of OER materials could be called an OER course or section and so that's what's different than some other initiatives we've been a part of that not everything in an OER course has to be OER and kind of the number one question we got when we started implementing it was what does the majority mean and so what it means is that at least 51% of the content in that course is openly licensed or in the public domain and that the other 49% could be made up made up of it could be made up of OER it could be made up of library resources copyrighted materials ancillary materials and what we found is that a lot of at least on our campus a lot of people are the goal is to go 100% OER but there might be something that they can't find a great OER alternative for so maybe it's a maybe it's something that they use for a lab or they want to incorporate some library resources and so having that wiggle room made it made it much easier to adopt OER and again this is the these are the requirements from SUNY but beyond that each campus could decide for themselves any additional restrictions so some campuses could decide that you know for their OER courses they want 100% of it to be OER or some campuses could say we want to say OER courses have a certain dollar limit right so we want to keep our OER courses under $30 per student or $50 and we're seeing different campuses choose different things across the state to best meet their needs. At Monroe we've kept with this definition for for all of the courses that are using the funding from this grant so at least 51% is using openly licensed materials and then again just that one of the requirements was to develop a sustainability model so at Monroe and at several of the other colleges what they've done is they've voted and approved an OER course fee in classes where the content has been replaced by OER we have not actually implemented it because this funding from the state covers any any costs in terms of time or paying for faculty development stipends or for the platform we're using. Fortunately that grant money that covers it for now so we wouldn't actually implement implement that until that funding goes away and so the the major the major player in New York State in supporting all of these campus is SUNY OER services and they grew out of SUNY OER textbooks when I'm sure many of you have heard of them before and so what they did was started going around the state with a panel of faculty who have been using OER and also they brought on some additional support and so they brought on people from different campuses who have been using OER supporting OER so from Monroe a group of librarians are part of a part of these workshops or a part of going around the state and offering support but SUNY OER services is really that centralized support for us and they partner with any vendors and the colleges just works through SUNY OER services and so this is a fairly recent number but at the end of this one-year academic period where the funding came through about 56,000 SUNY students will have taken an OER course so across the state and in case you're wondering how many students are in SUNY I I didn't know that and had to look that up but we have the most recent count is that we have 1.3 million students but only 600,000 of them are in credit-bearing courses so I think this would be out of those credit-bearing courses 56,000 of them 56,000 students took an OER course so almost so almost 1.6 if my math is correct and then at the end of over that same period six and a half million dollars in textbook savings to students so four million dollar investment returned six and a half million dollars in savings to students so now I'm going to turn to what we're doing at Monroe because I can get into the details a little bit more and share some specifics that might be more interesting or more relatable and so Monroe Community College were Community College in Rochester, New York in fall of 2017 we had just under 13,000 credit students taking four credit courses but if you take a look at the slide we have a much larger number of students taking a combination of credit and non-credit we have a fairly robust workforce development program here at Monroe and so the number of students walking through our doors is much more than the 13,000 in our we've been working with OER for a number of years now so it all started officially or at least the the first time that the library got involved with anything formal with OER is back in 2014 we received a technology grant that's internal to SUNY along with a few other community colleges and the goal of that grant was to find one faculty member in one course on your campus who was willing to take to move from a traditional publisher textbook to OER and so what two wonderful faculty at Monroe did was took our college orientation course which was they were using a traditional publisher textbook and I think there was also like a homework a platform where students would do homework was about $144 and they ended up adapting an OER text that was out there and implementing it across all sections at MCC and that was Renee Domino and Terry Shamblin and so over the past three years over 6,000 students have taken that course and you know saved quite a bit of money for those students in their first their first course at MCC and then after that we applied for the achieving the dream OER degree initiative and partnered with some really great faculty I think we have 19 different faculty who are working on this degree and it's a liberal arts biology is the program that the degree is in but you know we have faculty and courses from all over the campus who are developing open courses as part of that degree program and so what this did is when the New York State SUNY funding came along we found that we were really well positioned to jump right in full steam and some of the things you know we had done prior to receiving that funding that set us up so well is you know things that many of you are already doing but we applied for grants like achieving the dream we found those faculty champions and I'm glad you're gonna be able to hear from one in just a little bit because we found that you know OER can be kind of a big thing to think about when you're used to using a traditional textbook and having someone maybe in your department or on your campus who can who's another faculty member that can talk about it is much more impactful than someone from the library talking about it you know initially before SUNY OER services was around we used part of our library budget to partner with Lumen learning we found we had to bring on additional support in the library and I'll talk about that a little bit more in a minute and then connect with key stakeholders across campus and again we worked on our sustainability model and so when this money came in the New York State SUNY OER initiative the main chunk of it we knew we wanted to use that money for faculty to support faculty because they were the ones doing all the work and we found from the achieving the dream grant that it was a lot of work to adopt adapt or create OER and again this is just what we did on our campus each SUNY campus could do something different so we put out a call for applications and faculty members could have could apply and choose either release time during the semester or a summer stipend to do the work on those those courses and we based the funding on the credits of the course so a three credit course would receive more or a faculty member redesigning a three credit course to use OER would receive more than a one credit course and we didn't have different tiers of funding I know I've seen other colleges that maybe there's a certain stipend to adopt a certain stipend to adapt OER and another one to create and we just went with straight across the board the same amount for anyone adopting or adopting or creating OER for the first time at Monroe so if it was a course that had never used OER before and the preference went to courses with high textbook costs and or where all sections would move to OER and so we have 16 faculty who were funded through this initial round of funding and we're going to do another one this spring and then the other thing we did with that money is bring on someone to help us out because we're finding that the the more OER scales up the harder it is to support it with someone who's dedicating part of their time to supporting it and she's actually on the call Michelle Beachy is our wonderful you know grant project manager slash OER librarian slash fix it person so she so part of that SUNY OER funding at our campus goes to have Michelle there and so she is you know one main point of contact for all of the various people involved in OER across campus she maintains our grant budget and make sure that we're on track and we're you know faculty are getting their release time or stipends she also helps out with our achieving the dream grant with all of the campuses who are part of that so SUNY had five different campuses who were awarded the achieving the dream grant and we're all working together those other campuses in case anyone's on it's Tompkins Cortland Community College Herkimer Community College Mohawk Valley Community College and Clinton Community College and then Michelle also facilitated that faculty application process and is is the main point person for all those faculty who are starting to develop using this money and we found that this at first it was a little bit of a hard sell on our campus that we that one that we needed someone full time to just support OER and then it couldn't just be someone part-time but we found that more and more people are getting interested and it really is we've been able to do so much more once we've had Michelle here so we've done some campus-wide professional development on our own and I'm not gonna you know delving it to it delve into it too much but the main thing we've done is partner with SUNY OER services they've come to our campus and done a couple of different workshops they're who we work with to make the the OER available to other people and then they're who we work through they partner with Lumen learning so they're kind of are passed through to Lumen learning but so much more and then another interesting thing we did was you'll see the icon for OER fake and that stands for OER faculty inquiry group and one of our librarians Andrea Kingston started a year-long inquiry group for faculty interested in OER so they would meet monthly and talk about the courses they were working on and share tips we bring back information we got at conferences and things like that and then another interesting thing we were able to do with the additional support is we took a process that is used for developing online courses at MCC and applied it to OER so we're really fortunate that we have a really robust support system for online course development it's run out of our virtual campus and every faculty member who's developing a new online course gets assigned an instructional designer a librarian and a multimedia specialist and they all work together to look at the course learning outcomes and objectives and really design a course for that's meant for our mind and so what we did is kind of adopted and adapted that process for OER so every faculty member who's who is working with OER gets assigned a librarian we also have an instructional designer that works with making sure everything's available in Blackboard which is our course management system and we also if needed work with one of our great multimedia specialists for any multimedia needs we've also found by having this extra support we can provide a lot of individual support for faculty and again I mean many of you have probably heard that or found yourselves that it can vary depending on what the needs for that particular course is but everything from one-on-one consultations to analyzing a lab manual for what is you know individual or original content what is copyrighted and what might be open and then helping find replacements and then the one that we actually find that we spend a lot of time on is just moral support when there's those inevitable low points in the development process and and just reminders of what's going on in the wider OER world and that everyone goes through kind of these peaks and valleys in the development but that overall OER is really growing and there are a lot of exciting things happening so one of Michelle's other things that Michelle does is she really coordinates our OER distribution so at Monroe we want to provide an optional print copy of OER textbooks if the faculty member chooses to offer it so we have an in-house print shop and bookstore and so we partner with them to get print copies made if we want or if the faculty member wants and to have them sold in the bookstore as I mentioned before all of our content is incorporated right into Blackboard and also made it available through SUNY OER services and then just recently we've added a designation in our online course catalog and there's an image in the bottom right of the slide where students who are searching for courses or classes for upcoming semesters can check the open educational resources box and they'll come up with a list of all the courses that are using OER and that's been really helpful in getting the word out to students and helping make sure that OER is available to them and then I think the last thing I wanted to show was just a couple of examples of how we've been able to incorporate students at MCC and actually Rallo has a great example of how he's incorporated students into his OER course but the two things I wanted to share were we worked with a graphic design student last year she received course credit to develop textbook covers and so you're gonna see some of her work on the left side of the screen she worked with the faculty who did want to offer you know a print copy and talked to them and designed a textbook cover it's openly licensed she received credit and it worked so well that we actually ended up hiring her with some of that SUNY funding so all of her work is openly licensed we're making it available and it's a cool it's a cool example of what we've been able to do with students and I saw I just had a question come in so if all content is in Blackboard what does Lumen provide so we use the Lumen platform for editing OER content so for example our chemistry faculty use the open stacks chemistry textbook but they wanted to edit a lot of that content so SUNY OER services pulls that content into the Lumen platform and then our faculty are given the ability to edit it and then also Lumen provides a I think this is a right terminology a course cartridge or an LTI integration I apologize if anyone's really familiar with that and I'm butchering what it's called so that that live textbook is available right in the Blackboard course and whenever a faculty member edits something say they find an error or wanted to add something it you know it's available right in Blackboard you know right away so our students are really familiar with Blackboard but they don't have access to it after they graduate so we want to make sure that the content is also available outside of Blackboard and then on the right you'll see some examples of student testimonials that we we grabbed from students so I see I'm getting a couple questions but I actually want to turn it over to Rollo right now just to make sure that we have enough time and then we'll be able to answer any questions that you all have for us you know at the end oh I will pass it over to you thank you thank you so much Katie and Rollo can you do would you like to ask me for permission to use the keyboard or I can move the the the slides for you it's up to you you can move the slides I'm basically going to just speak a little bit about how it all my experience has been with OER wonderful so my name is Dr. Raul Fisher and again I'm a choral and vocal instructor here at Monroe Community College and amongst the number of courses that I teach since I've been here in 2009 I taught a class that was for non-majors that was a voice class it was an in-person class it used a particular textbook which cost upwards of about a hundred and twenty five hundred forty dollars so it kept on going up and I found that a number of my students struggled with trying to find the funds to be able to purchase said textbook and I would find many a students begging me for you know a different way that they could go through some of the material and you know they could you know just look at the library that was fine but it it dawned on me about a year ago that you know I've been teaching voice for many years now it would certainly serve students better if there was some kind of an open-ended resource for them so I went looking and there weren't any so that was when I started coming up with the idea to be able to create some for that class now to give you an idea of the types of things that the class the textbook had were things that had to do with some of the basics of singing and so there were a lot of different pieces of material out there that are pretty common knowledge but they were in a particular textbook and so I went on the mission of creating my own OER resource and I started by creating a system of chapters and lessons that were all written based which also included some materials that I just personally just put in my own words and I had taken some my knowledge from many of the years and and just created my own OER resource after I created the textbook I then wanted to make sure that I had some other type of means where they could have some more additional resources and so the wonderful people here at the MCC virtual campus have a room of where you can go and you can video record yourself professionally creating different types of lectures so then I went about to do that for each of the lessons that I created as part of the textbook that was not this last summer but the previous summer and as I was tweaking that that's when the Achievement of the Dream OER funding came forward so I of course applied and I was able to take the fall semester that year to kind of tweak through my materials make sure that everything all I was redotted to use for cross and all permissions were given correctly and I wasn't stepping on anybody's toes and then the spring of this last year's 2017 I actually took that same course and used it in a face-to-face course so the shell all the materials that were OER were available in a blackboard shell for the students to access but then there was also the additional face-to-face time where we could talk about some of the materials in there and do some more dive deep on their individual instructions about them. Fast forward I then taught the same course in the fall and I had in my mind I wanted to be able to offer this course as an online component which has not really ever been done to my knowledge at another institution in SUNY and so luckily this spring semester just a couple weeks ago the first online section of voice class is now available in SUNY so because it's available at the MCC virtual campus that means that it also gives access to anybody in the SUNY online system to be able to take the course. Another benefit of this particular model besides being OER was the fact that one of the the detriment of doing a voice class instruction in person is the fact that you're doing a lot of group instruction and one thing I wanted to do was to add more individualized components and so now I'm able to with the online section do with some wonderful technology where the students can actually submit videos of their vocal instruction to me and I can give them more one of one coaching than just the assessments that I did in the group instruction format. So basically one of the things that I found fascinating as I was going through the process of creating OER was just the simple fact that there are a lot of things that are able to be made in public domain that aren't necessarily in public domain at that time as there's a I personally knew there's a growing body of work out there that could then be utilized to create an open-ended resource for something like a music class and so on top of that what I have been exploring and that I'm going to be partnering doing another OER grant for the summer is I also teach an oral skills class and what that is essentially is if you don't know anything about music is essentially the idea is a student can come in there and what they do is thank you what they do is they essentially take and there are three major skills that they are learning one is to be able to take a piece of music and be able to sing it back another skill that they're using is to be able to listen to some a simple piece of music and write it down and then there are several different levels and building up of layers that could be done with that I've been teaching the oral skill sequence here at MCC now for about six years and when I started of course I was grandfathered in this glorious textbook with CD-ROM system that costs about a hundred and seventy five dollars in which all of the students then had to purchase and it was one textbook for the sequence but I found while I was going through the material for said textbook and some of the of the materials that were along with it is that they really didn't fit with a community college or a public university they were much more tuned towards classes that either were meeting four times a week where we meet once a week a lot of universities will meet four times a week oral skills and then also that they were there was a lot of how shall I put it public trust in the fact that the people who are using the CD-ROM to write out the dictations weren't collaborating with other people to just listen to it and figure it out and so I found that as I was teaching the class more and more I realized that you know there are a lot of things about the way that this particular textbook and other textbooks I think I looked at about five or six different textbooks because of course I sent them from various publishers in different places saying please use our textbook I found the same problems with all of them and so one of the things I endeavored to want to do is to be able to design the system to where a student coming in may not necessarily be the highest level person who's had lots of years of music experience but they really want to learn to be able to do this skill and one of the things that I strongly believe is that some of the students that come in are coming in and this may be part of their program but it's not their greatest interest so one of the things that I do with that particular course is I give them the end game faith and I know this is not OER but it's kind of relevant to how I'm going to present the last part of this and that was essentially if this is a musician a vocalist who really wants to become the next Rihanna and then Disney hires them for their next recording for the movie and they bring them down there they're in the recording studio and suddenly there's a piece of music in front of them and they're like okay take a look at it now we're ready to record and they're like but wait I want to listen to the recording of it there isn't one you're the first one you can't listen to a recording because it doesn't exist yet and so the incentive to be able to figure out this particular skill set was greatly increased by just making people realize exactly what the purpose of the skills were and honestly as I was looking through a lot of the textbook that was not very clear and so as I'm going to be designing my OER text for this four semester sequence a lot of it is going to include a lot of the justifications for why a lot of this material is important as well as going through how it can build upon itself much easier than the textbook performance that I have experienced wow that uh thank you so much um rollo for sharing that um I want to take your oral skills class it's going to be wonderful you never know there you go um hmm wow um I really want to thank uh dr fischer and uh katie for sharing this um I'm I'm looking for questions out there um and um from from our audience um and there are so many areas I'd like to discuss a little more uh but I want to give our audience a chance um we did have a question from juville at central Virginia Community College and she asked if any of the lab manuals and this would be the biology lab manuals I assume are available for adoption and that's probably for you katie yes so um yes they are they are not all up um publicly yet um many of our faculty are teaching with them for the first time this semester and so they want to run through them maybe once before making them public to the world um but I think my email is up maybe in one of the later slides or if not I can put it in the chat um and and I'm happy to put um if you shoot me an email I can put you in contact with those faculty and and um I found they're very open to sharing it even before you know maybe they they feel like it's 100 done thank you for that we often get questions on our email list and I know that katie and um michelle are both on that email list about lab manuals so um I think that would be great um to have that shared all right we had a question here from Roya and she uh asks faculty I have met with have concerns that something in OER could be moved out of public domain and become obsolete um is that even possible well I think that's probably a librarian question although I I could answer but I'd like to give it to katie if she's okay with that yeah um so if it could be moved out of public domain and become obsolete I I mean I guess my answer is um I'm I'm not sure if I'm reading it correctly so I don't know you know it's a legal question and a domain has a legal um right ramification to it um and it you know there are precedences around public domain that have changed over the years there was a big change back in the late 1990s which pushed out when copyright expires for creative works uh to something like 74 years after the death of the author um it so um I understand that will change and um I mean sorry that could change in the future um but I don't think um things can be um move out of public domain but it's usually for things newer things that are coming out could expire later um and and it maybe an even more important question Roya is about open openly licensed materials so those are ones that have a creative commons license on them and I'll let katie correct me if I if I misspeak here um but from once a material is licensed with a creative commons license um that's not revocable the original copyright holder holds that copy right they can modify and re-release it without the open license but the original material that was released under that license um continues to be available under that license um so it cannot be revoked from that specific instance so I hope that helps um I think so and thank you for I I'm not sure why I wasn't I would don't think I was reading it correctly but um that totally makes sense the way that you reply to it okay um and Nikki Stubbs from the technical college system of Georgia has a question and she asked about lumen um and did they help with ADA compliance of the content um yes and no so um the the lumen platform um is ADA compliant so most of the content that we've been putting there faculty have been putting there um you know it's it's um it works well with screen readers it meets you know ADA compliance and so in that way they are um in terms of um like our multimedia content and actually Rallo you might want to jump in here but lumen didn't do that for us so we needed to find a way especially with original content to make sure it was ADA compliant um and I know you have some videos that yes so uh one of the things that with the videos uh the original videos did not have all the closed captioning that were needed and so then we had to go back and make sure that it became ADA compliant and did go through and uh do that and we have one of our one of our ASL professors here actually I think helped out with some of that as well so it was very uh the the process was not hard it was a streamlined and uh thank you for uh the shout out as well for the fascinating classes and I actually have to run now to go to one so I apologize for leaving a few minutes early but if anybody has any other questions I'll be happy to answer them via email um my email is just rfisherfisher at minrosecc.edu and of course it's that you don't find that and then you can just look me up on the MCC webpage as well thank you so much Rallo for joining us today um I think many of us would like to take some of your classes those of us who are you know frustrated singers but yeah wonderful all right so we've we've um we do have a few more questions for Katie um and uh and those and thank you Rallo for sharing your email address for um questions that come after for him so Katie um we have a question here from Paige at uh call it at in Illinois um and she is asking about the majority OER material option and does it still mandate that all the remaining materials be free or is a cost or is there a cost or can there be a cost sure so we um it's a little confusing right now because we're using uh we're parts of various grants so for the achieving the dream grant everything has to be free and open so in those particular courses while they're running for the grant they have to be free and and 100% open um and what I think you're asking about though is these the ones that are using the SUNY OER funding um on our campus do they have to be free and the answer is no so we um for example our chemistry 151 and 152 courses those are chemistry for biology majors um when it's not running as part of the achieving the dream grant they're still going to keep the open stacks textbook um and that will be free um but they've been using a product called sapling and they find that it's really beneficial for their students I think it's about $35 a semester or in that range and so under the New York State OER guidelines they would they want to keep that and so they're going from um I think it's about $175 textbook so they're removing that cost and keeping the roughly $35 one um Paige had another part to that question she was asking about the process um the OER designation in your online course catalog and um what was the process in getting this to happen and I just I want to kind of set the uh a little bit of the context here so um Oregon Washington I'm sorry is it Oregon yeah I'm the Oregon Washington California in Texas I think I've got one state wrong there has put that into state law that um their higher ed institutions have to make that make students aware of courses that are OER or low cost or the textbooks are and um I don't think that's a state requirement for New York you are correct it is not a state requirement um so we and I found that this you know again is different at every institution in SUNY we OER on our campus has really been working um up from the grassroots level so it's faculty who are interested um in the library and and um you know people who are interested in it on campus have come together to work on it there's no there hasn't been any mandate so this kind of happened the same way fairly organically uh we started talking with our um you know technology department on campus and our records and registration record registration and records my apologies um on the logistics but it just kind of grew organically that it was something that should happen our course catalog already had different features to allow students to search so they can already search for online courses they could search for writing intensive courses and so it was just a matter of adding one extra designation I think the biggest issue we've seen um so far our students haven't known about OER or haven't known how to find it so we're really happy that this is in place um moving forward yeah thank you for that answer and thank you for the question page because it is really becoming a tool for marketing to students and um we I think we had one more question here and from Heather White and um Heather is asking you about um are you do you have a concern about applying OER I think in a general sense to non-openly licensed materials via your majority OER category yeah yes and no um so we thought a lot about how we wanted to present this to the campus and to the different groups on campus so for students um in our experience from talking to students what they really care about is the cost and so we didn't get into the specifics um you know what an OER course means just that it's you know openly licensed they're lower no cost but with faculty we really wanted to make sure that people had a good idea of what open is versus free versus um you know other course materials they might want to use and I will say that that has been a challenge so um making sure that people know the difference between an OER course and OER content um so far I think because everything's um funneling through the library and we have a great group of really knowledgeable librarians that um it's been working well but I can see the concern and we definitely want to make sure we're doing enough outreach on campus and professional development so that people are know the difference yeah thank you for that one Katie and and there are differences around certainly different states different colleges and how they define OER and it does it's potentially confusing so um I I think we're still waiting on additional questions but I did want to mention just to um that we actually have a second webinar this month normally we have one a month one of our our general purpose webinars and we had the opportunity to have a second one this month in two weeks which I'm really excited about we're going to have Boyoung Choi from the Washington State Board of Community and Technical Colleges they just finished a survey with 10,000 of their students on affordability specifically on textbooks and we also are going to have Robin Donaldson who is the Director of Instructional Research and Member Services at Florida Virtual Campus she is the one who has been running the Florida textbook affordability survey for uh boy I'm going to say it's at least the last six years it might be more than that and they do it every other year last year I believe it was they enter they surveyed 22,000 students the majority of which are were community colleges but not exclusively it was also from their public universities so this is going to be a great webinar if you need that kind of information about student affordability and their perceptions and we are here for additional questions if um anyone has any and once again I want to thank Katie so much for joining us today um just an amazing overview of what um Monroe Community College is doing and also SUNY the bigger system so thank you so much for that overview and of course thanks to Dr. Fisher who had to take off to go teach um and thank you to all of you who joined us today we were pleased to hear all those questions we know you were really interested in this material as well um we will be um captioning this video and making it available probably within the next 48 hours um that material gets posted on our website we also send it out to everybody who's on our community email so we hope that you share this with others who couldn't make it today any last moment questions from anyone all right I'm going to um go ahead and stop the recording and we'll be online for a couple