 Hi, Marcia Joyner, and we are navigating the journey. And today's journey takes us to a place that most people do not know. It is Papakaleo, the oldest homestead on Oahu, Hawaiian homestead. And so, we have a lovely, lovely visitor, or two visitors in fact. My new best friend, Emma Leimome Wright, and her son, Lyno Kaniyala, and they're here because I had an experience a couple months ago, a dear friend of mine, Paulie Jennings, passed away. Great Hawaiian, everything I know about Hawaii I learned from working for her. And it occurred to me at that funeral how many Hawaiian kupuna are passing, leaving us. And we need to talk to them. We need to hear their stories. We need to know, this is Hawaii, how come we don't know this? So I asked Lyno if he would bring his mother so we can talk about Papakaleo. Can we see Papakaleo? We have, there it is. That is gorgeous. Now that's looking down from the top of the mountain, is it? Yeah, so that right there looks like it's a view from a bunch of cemetery, it's one of those wide angle ranges. There it is. Now as you go up the mountain to Punchbowl, you will see the sign on the side of the road there. Yes, welcome to Papakaleo. Yes, there it is. So right there you can see that there's actually three homesteads in this area. The Papakaleo is the one that people know of now, but we're actually part of Kevalu, which is actually the land division, and Kalawahine is the newest of the three homesteads. So we have Papakaleo, Kalawahine, and Kevalu, and they all kind of make up our homestead area. What do you mean by homestead? The Hawaiian homestead is basically a federal land that was put aside for Hawaiians when it was created with the Hawaiian Homestead Act. It was for 50 percent or so, you needed to be 50 percent Hawaiian or more to live on the land. So kind of similar, which people don't like in Hawaiians, don't like to be compared to, but similar to like an Indian reservation. Well, of course, that's the way they think. 1921, of course, what else would you think, right? The Indians. That's what they did to the Indians. Why not? Yeah, totally. But for us, we're very lucky and fortunate to be living on Hawaiian homestead land. Yes. And we appreciate that. Were you born there? I was on Papakalea. No, not in Papakalea, in Queens Hospital. Okay. Okay. In Honolulu. Yes. And then I was given to, I was on C-Salvation, I'm not sure, Social Services. I'm the seventh of nine children. Oh, wow. And when they had me, my mom was pregnant with me, my third oldest sister was having heart problems. She passed away, I'm not sure, before I was born or after, but she passed away right around that time. So Social Services came into the app and already saw my mom with a small house and plenty of mouths to feed and they put me in foster home to try to find out where they can put me permanent. Oh. But this foster home, I stayed at five different homes. Hawaiian? No. Oh. No. That's why I can get along with pretty much different types of people because I've been around them since I was little. And I have no idea of racism until I went to Oklahoma. Oh, well, yeah, let that win me. 1966. Oh boy. 1966. You went to Oklahoma. I graduated in June and I left the islands in July-August, around there, and went to Oklahoma City, Guthrie, Oklahoma. What in the world were you doing in Oklahoma? They had three or four different Job Corps centers. One was in California, must have been full. Then the next one was in Arizona, must have been full. And then brought us down to Guthrie, Oklahoma. And then the other ones was Texas and the Southern state. Alabama, I think was, yeah. So you were in Job Corps? Yeah. For about 16 months. Oh, wow. I was in Guthrie, Oklahoma. Guthrie, Oklahoma. Yeah. It's an old town, historical town of Oklahoma City. Really? Yeah. That's what we found out. And I was so proud of that because, you know, most of the girls weren't from that area. Most of them was from cities in the east coast. And then there was us nine girls from Hawaii. And they probably never met anybody from Hawaii, either. No. No. No. And they never knew where Hawaii was. They wanted us to speak our language. They wanted you to speak your language. And our language, yeah. Oh, for proper. So what's that? That's our native tongue. My tongue is native. And so they called me the Joker. Nothing passed me by without people laughing because you can be sad about it. So a lot of the island girls who couldn't stand being away from home within six months to 10 months, that first year, they were already hitting home. What did you do at Job Corps? When I first started, when I first got there, they laid all these different courses that they can teach you. When I was into art, I said, oh, I want to do something in the art world. And just so happens, it was a magazine or something, and they were talking about commercial arts and how you can go to school, you know, go beyond high school and the community college or whatever, to gain more experience enjoying different types of media. And I thought, oh, wow, I like to do that. But my mind got hurt one way, so I came home pregnant. She learned the skill. And my mom, damn, I was kind of worried because, you know, I'm not the only one that had babies out of wedlock, but I kind of went on that line with sisters and cousins, you know. What the heck. So I stayed home with my mom, and she helped me raise him. That's a big one there, you know. And he was Granny's boy up until how old? Yeah, how long was that? Well, yeah, she can remember you. Your face. But who that man over there standing up is, because that's my grandson. So you weren't in Oklahoma long? No, about 16 months. Then went to Oakland, California, right around the hippie days. So you know what I learned then? San Francisco, free to be. Yes. Peace. So yeah, I was there, and then came home with him. And now back to being Hawaiian after all of that. Well, what part of it was Hawaii? My dad's family was pretty big. Tutu spoke Hawaiian and broke it in English. Papa, John, Whitney Ka'ulela, outright senior, of Namia. That was the mayor of Papakolea. But he worked for the board of water supply. And what it is, was he would turn off and on the pipes, the only daytime pipes be on, so you only pay for the time you use it. That makes sense. Yeah. So he made it easy for the homesteaders. Come up here, you sign up for the lot, and then you pay a certain amount of money, release once a month, and then they work on the utilities. My papa worked for the board of water supply, so he made it easy for the community to get irration of water. And things went on after that. So you've lived there since coming back to Hawaii? Yeah. Yeah. So what happens in Papakolea? What makes it different than any other homestead? Homestead. Hawaiian homestead. What makes it different? Because people say it is. What makes it different? Well, first, I'll add in, is that we're actually the third homestead to be created. The first was Molokai. The second was Nanakuli. They actually ran in front of us. They jumped in front of us, and then Papakolea was actually the third. But then, you know, the next thing is that Papakolea, I mean, we're the only homestead or Hawaiian homestead that's in town, you know, we're in the city limits. And so, you know, we're a little bit different. The other homesteads kind of tease us because we're in the city limits. We're like the townies of the Hawaiians. But you know, we kind of like that. We're like 10 minutes away from downtown. From everywhere, yes. Yeah, you know, half an hour, yeah, from anywhere else. And it made sense because most of my uncle, they were going to school, went not to public school, went to do all these other St. Louis, St. Louis for boys was tough. And they liked that. My papa right, he liked that. I think Tutu did too. But for the girls, he just went to public school, and then you get home, and you're so lazy, and you do what your girls do. Yes. Yeah. Well, actually, I want you to mention how many kids did papa have? Papa, right? Yeah. How many did they have? I don't know. 14. How many boys and how many girls? Well, the ones I know. The seven boys, because the girls are pretty rough, you know, my aunties, oh my gosh, they did us to the mat. And they're proud. And I'm proud that they're proud, because they, that's what makes us two. But you, yeah, look, you had some famous people from Papakaleo, musicians. Yes. Yes. Danny Kaleikini. Yes. Yes. He's a genocchial. Yeah, I think, yes. Sorry. I shouldn't have said our name first. Yes. Hey, my new girlfriend. Yeah, no, that's the one I remembered. Yes. Everybody remembers that. Yes. Yes. Yes, she got her son, her grandson, them, granddaughter, them, they're in that area. They're still there. Yeah. That's just for me. In the Hawaiian music. Yes. For me, I was named after Danny Kaleikini. My middle name, Kanyala, is Daniel. Kanyala. Yes. And so that's kind of the thing with mom, is that she gave me his name for my middle name. That's good. Kanyala. That's great. And everybody, you know, as soon as you hear the way they call it, they say the name. Kanyala. I knew it had to be somewhere nearby. Yes. Yeah. Now, what happens in Papakalea now, and what's other than being in town, what makes that so special? Because everyone says it is. All right. So all of the homesteads, that's so special. So here's something interesting, is I am a fourth generation Hawaiian homestead. My mom is third. With that being said, that means that we have been neighbors with our neighbors for ever. Who's our relatives? We know everything about them and so on and so on. And we're related just about everybody. Every other house in every direction from our house is our relatives. It's either my grandfathers or brothers or sisters or a mom or somebody. So we're kind of, we're a very close knit community. We're an old community. We've been doing things for a while. The good thing about our community that I love is that we're still family. We still help each other, people need help. Well, we need to take a break. And when we come back, you'll tell us more about Papakalea. We'll be right back. Aloha, I'm Winston Welch, host of Out and About. It's a show that we have every other Monday on Think Tech Live here. We explore a variety of topics that are really interesting. We have organizations, events, and the people who fuel them in our city, state, country, and world. 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Aloha, I'm Marcia Joyner, and we are navigating the journey all the way up to the top of the mountain to Papakaleo, which, of course, most of you have no idea of where it is, except if you've driven up to get lost on your way up to Punchbowl, then you see the sign on the side of the road that says Papakaleo. So, tell me, can anybody come up to Papakaleo, or is it just Hawaiians? Do you live there? No, to visit. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's open to the public, totally. You know, it's interesting because we have kind of two ways in and out. Like you mentioned, when you come up through Papakaleo from the front, you actually come in through the entrance to the cemetery of the Pacific or Punchbowl. And that's where everybody kind of knows of. But if you follow that road all the way up, it turns into Tantalus Drive, and it goes all the way up to the back. Yeah, so it'll actually take you all the way up to Round Top. Oh, really? I know. Oh, so that's, yes, of course, when you come around the back way, yes. Oh, OK. And so for us, yeah, for us, it's a rich neighborhood. Yes, you're rich neighbors. Up the road, yes. Plus, we have a lot of limousines that go through every evening, because those are the tourists that go up to the Tantalus Lookout to oversee, like, Waikiki and Alamoana. Oh, sometimes they have a little. Oh, I thought maybe the tourists were coming to see the natives. Nope. They'll be destroyed right back. Unless they're invited. Unless they're invited, OK. Yeah, so what was it like before, you know, that got to be just overwhelmed with the city being like this? What was it like in the early days of being in Hawaii? Well, I only know from the 50s. OK. Yeah, because that's where I was raised around that time. And at Papakulia Park, we did some special events certain times of the year. And sometimes we would serenade the tourists. We would say howly, because that's what the tourists. And I guess even hanging around Punchbow and seeing the buses and waving when we were little, me and my friends and my cousins. We had our own little childhood craziness, picking the fruits from the hedges, you know, that's outside, checking out views and pointing to who we know, what we know, and stuff like that. Other than that, I don't know how other kids did their time. But I always had a few handful. Now you said Tutu spoke Hawaiian. Do you speak Hawaiian? Or just Pigeon? No. My dad didn't want us to learn. Because then him and Tutu can't talk. Oh, OK. We all know what they're talking about. And from what I was told by my older cousins, Tutu had a bad mouth. She's talking Hawaiian, but she's talking Hawaiian curses. So play words in Hawaiian. Yeah. Look at that out. OK. We have to go walk. And I'm like, my father always had to do this to us. Which meant beat it. Yeah. As a child, though, but you were in foster homes. Yeah. My third oldest sister was about 13, 14. And she must have had a rheumatic heart problem when she was born. I've been reading articles on heart problems when they're little are born with a heart condition. Oh, that's too bad. And I'm thinking, oh, my sister had went through that. But at the same time, what she was going through, my mom was carrying me. So I'm amazing, lucky that her health could have gotten really bad. Now that I know what I'm reading about now on computer, wow. Now what did they do to get you back? My mom had to put papers in to bring me back in whatever reason. But the lady that worked with her social services as well as other people, it really had a very soft heart. Because it really worked hard. And my sisters above me, my two baby sisters, they did what they did. But my dad and my brothers, my dad tried to have my brothers around. But my sisters, they all kind of helped my mom just take care and make a family out of this. But we lived in a one room shack about the size of this room in the outdoor plumbing by the cold water shower where we still have the tree to this day still growing. That was our toilet. I said, I was so amazed that I went up to my sister's house for something. And she said, eh, people have asked you if we still had the tree, the monkey pod tree. I said, yeah, as a matter of fact, yeah. She said, come. I said, because they used to swing. They had a rope with a tire. And they used to swing. And the hill go down. So you slide from here and you swing out. And you do what you do when you swing back in. I don't know what they do. Oh, weird kids. And they were older than me. So by the time I came, I wasn't sure what people were doing. But social services got into the picture and saw what my mom had to deal with. And my father wasn't an employed person. He did things in seasons. He was a right. In seasons. I don't know if it goes way back to the right brothers, but. Even that, my uncle, my dad's youngest brother was in the service for a long time. Can I tell that? Yes. OK. And he's my caregiver now. I want to listen. I want to be a good mommy, good girl. And so we had a family reunion. And Uncle Gilbert, who was my dad's younger brother, was in an army for all his life. He came home and he shared this with our reunion gang. And we couldn't believe it. He says, if you think we related to the brothers, the right brothers, we all look at him like, yeah. And he goes, no. We related to their sister. I know, and we all cracked up laughing. In fact, some of my aunties might have peed in their pants for it. But it was like the biggest joke ever of the whole night. And he was serious. He got back on that microphone. And he told us, yeah, you guys think what you like to eat. But you know what? We are related to the sister of the right brothers. And you want to hear something else? He tells everybody. She flew the plane first. And we all look at him like, Uncle, come on. He taught us 100% with the first two. Now you're bringing this one in and you're trying to, what? And he gets to hang ourselves. And I just like, oh my gosh. But my older cousins and everybody else was just, they just couldn't believe it. Uncle, you forget. And he's, I never take one shot and drink yet. Because I'm going to be sober when I tell you guys this. You guys better listen. And all your kids will tell all his brothers and sisters, get out of there and kids will be like, oh, remember this. And then, I don't know, the brothers, they do the whole thing. So that's kind of been, since our family reunion in 93, it's kind of been the joke with our family, is that my mom will say that we're related to the sister. And she was the one that actually flew the plane first. When they saw that it worked, they said, OK, get out. They didn't get it, brother. But the bottom line is it's for everybody out there. I'm related to the brothers. Why do we have to pay for tickets to fly anywhere? It's always my question is all right. Think about that anyway. I was wondering how come we have to catch the boat? They put a boat. I took the ferry. First time I ever saw articles, you know, the advertisement on the ferry. I said, oh, wow, I got to do this thing. Take the ferry to Maui. Yeah, the super ferry. I said, whoa, that is awesome, because my friend, I cannot ever get her to do any kind of boat ride. She's in Maui. So I get, we have little phones. You can talk from her. And so I got to her. And she met me down at the harbor. And she's like, Ine, she always called me Ine. Ine, hey, you babe, are you? She's Filipino, Spanish. Maybe a little bit Chinese in her. We're not sure, but there's a lot of things in her. And she was, oh my gosh, you tell stuff. Everybody would jump, jump, you know, except for me. When she did that to me, I thought, what? You know, that's my, my T-the-A side. Yes, speaking of the ferry, we had tickets. And we were in line to get on the ferry. At the minute, they shut it down. Wow. Wow. For good? Yes. And here we are, paid for the tickets. And we're standing there, head to dock. And it's like, over. That was a short run. But that was, but mom had fun when she did it. I did it three times, or two times. Taking the ferry to Maui, only to Maui and back. That was awesome. Oh, so, well, you know, we did, the first time, as guests, they showed us around the harbor and what have you. But for a real trip, we had to buy the tickets. And we're standing there in line, waiting to get on. And they shut it down. Oh, wow. No, we didn't get our money back. Yeah. I'm sorry to hear about that. OK, we'll go get a lawyer. We'll go bring that. We're going to own some of Hawaii. I don't want to go on the phone. So what are you doing now? What are you doing now? I'm retired. I was working with the state. I can't tell you where you are. That's OK. Is that a seat gen? I worked with Department of Accounting and General Services. For 26 years. And then I worked with the Public Work and Regional Parks and Recreation and so on for five years. Oh, gosh. I'm forgetting something anyway. Yeah, it's been a long time. But I did clerical work. I learned how to work the computer, which is so awesome. When they tell me, can you still, you know, over time and stuff? I said, yeah, get on the computer. And then one day they caught me sleeping by the computer. And they asked me to retire. Oh, OK. It was either or. Either or. So my union retired. Retired. OK. She did good. She put in her time, definitely. Well, we have run out of time. And so you will come back and talk story some more with us, won't you? Check with my caregiver. Sure. Sure. I'd love to have her. That would be great. Thank you very much. Well, thank you. This has been a real pleasure. Yeah. And so the next time I see the sign, I'm going to drive right through instead of stopping there. And be sure to wave because everybody's very friendly. You can wave and ask, we'll wave back. Again, thank you so much. And we'll see you next time.