 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind pump, mind pump, with your hosts. Sal DeStefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this fun and deeply personal episode of Mind Pump. Revealing, right. Look, we don't really talk about fitness in this episode, but we do talk about health. We start off by talking, I don't remember, how do we start the episode off? I totally don't remember that. Yeah, about the Kim Jong-un meeting with Trump. Meeting with Trump, we started with that. Justin's rodent bathroom adventure. Oh my God. Yes, find out why mice are extremely attracted to Justin. Like this. Science. I don't like your theory. No, I don't know if it's a theory. I think it's proven. I think it's the truth. Then we get into like, you know, being protective or jealous of your partner. Yeah, a lot of this is about relationships and jealousy. Relationships, our relationships, personal stuff. So we got kind of deep. It was a fun episode. There was no direction whatsoever, which is great, great conversation. A lot of it was on relationships, which will also benefit your health to talk about. Also, I do want to mention this month, all month long for the entire month, the MAPS Anywhere program, which is basically our program with no equipment. In other words, it's designed to train you effectively with bands and a stick. So like, almost no equipment whatsoever. It's half off. The price is 50% off all month long. We've never had a program 50% off for the entire month. So it's a huge, huge discount. Also, we offer MAPS bundles for those who are super serious about your fitness. You can enroll in a bundle like the Super Bundle, which is multiple MAPS programs put together and organized in a way to where you can train your body and go through the different programs for like a year. For example, the Super Bundle, that's about a year of exercise programming. So you can find MAPS Anywhere at 50% off and all of our MAPS bundles and individual MAPS programs at mindpumpmedia.com. Did you guys see the monumental event? Was it yesterday? On TV? Monumental. Monumental. Wait, wait, wait. Was this where Dennis Rodman, I saw something going on. Of that whole thing. He was crying. Of that whole thing. That's the part that you- Dennis Rodman. No, no. What are you talking about? What are you talking about? Is it something to do with North Korea? That's what I'm asking. The chubby-faced, cherub-looking leader of North Korea. Right. Kim, what's the name? Kim Jong-un. Kim Jong-il. Lee Moon. Every time we talk about him, I can't help but get the movie interview out of my head. Yeah. I love that. They met, dude. They actually sat down and talked, which is monumental. Who? Dennis Rodman? No, Trump and- Oh, well, you brought this up before. They were planning it, right? They were planning it, got canceled, got set up again. They actually met and people don't understand like just how much of a hermit country that is. They're the most shut off, isolated country on earth, period, period. Like the people there, when people escaped North Korea through China, like there's this one young lady, I can't remember her name, maybe dad can look it up. I can't remember her name, but she's this young lady escaped North Korea through China. Then she, it took her like a year just to realize how brainwashed she was. Cause she literally thought that the leader, the North Korean leader could read her mind the entire time. And just talking about life over there and what they're taught. Like they're taught that the leader is basically a God that Americans eat North Korean children. That like weird shit, like very, very strange shit. And they're so isolated. Like he doesn't poop. No, it's- Yeah, cause he works so hard. Yeah. He works so hard, he just absorbs all his food. He looks like he's full. You know somebody's looking at him going, ah, he's chubby, how the fuck did that happen? That doesn't make any sense. Oh, it just never got out of his body. Yeah, but anyway, it's for them to meet, that's a fucking insane thing. Do we know anything that happened from it yet or no? Not yet, but the fact that they actually met is that's a massive, massive like win. Isn't that interesting? How much coverage all over the place? Okay, good. I was like, a lot of times it seems to me it's not getting covered. The left has gotta be, see I don't follow any of this stuff cause I don't care, but the left has gotta be presenting it in a different way. The left has to be presenting it like he's in cahoots. Oh, dude. Oh, yeah. You know what makes me laugh? You see. You know what makes me laugh? He's a dictator working at real soon here, he's gonna try and- Any time a president does something that's generally a good thing, the other side always finds a, it like tries to make it a bad thing. Yeah, it doesn't matter if it's right or left. Yeah, like this report came out that, and right now Trump's president, that's why I'm bringing him up. Cause the same thing happened with Obama. There were definitely things that Obama would do, not a lot, but there were definitely things he would do that were good that I used to remember the Republicans would fire him over and I'd be like, you know, just be pissed off at him. I'm like, how can he be mad about that? But like another situation was this report comes out that shows that minority unemployment, it's at its lowest rate in a long time. Like people are just, unemployment is low period, but especially with minorities. And so Democrats are coming out and they're like, you know, minorities don't care about unemployment because the president is disrespectful or some bullshit like that. And everybody's like, what? Everybody cares about that. What would we not care about that? Just clap, just be like, hey, it's a good thing. Yeah, I mean, don't get so angry all the time. Some good things out of it, right? Gas prices are going down because of the new policies or whatever. They're going to increase pollution. You know, they'll say some shit like, yeah, fuck, can't live, you know what I'm saying? But this is a, and you know what it is? I think it's because that motherfucker is just, he comes across as kind of crazy. And I'm not talking about North Korea's president either. I'm talking about Trump. No, I know. He comes across as crazy. And I think these people are like, ooh, we better talk. Yeah, like these other leaders perceive him, you know? Cause he goes into a lot of those meetings with that same kind of gangster like mentality he does with like any business meeting, right? You know what it is, if you're the president of the United States, you're in a position of major power. Obviously you've got the most powerful military in the world, but you also have the most powerful economy in the world. And like the tariff situation, right? Which it's like adding attacks on things. If there's a tariff war, theoretically like, you know, we're hurt you more than you'll hurt us. Everybody gets hurt, but you know, you can make the case, right? You can make the case and be like, okay, you want to play this game? Sure, well, your economy will fucking tank way worse than ours will. And you know, you got to kind of play that game a little bit, right? Which it feels like that's what he tries to do, but anyway, monumental moment. Who's CEO of Apple right now? Tim Cook, right? I think he's a mind pump listener. Why? No. Yeah, I think so. I think he's a fan. I'm pretty sure. A couple of people through some DMs at me of what Apple is doing now with the iPhone for- Oh, is he copying our ideas? No, the time management of what you're using your phone for. So you can put like restrictions on, so it'll shut off like when you're, let's say you say only one hour of entertainment on my phone. And so it tracks it and then it'll lock you out of your like your- What? Yeah, yeah. So think of that as parental guidance for your kids. Oh, I love that. You give them an iPhone and you're like, you automatically just put in, they got two hours of surfing on the web or this or whatever like that. Oh, I love that. Yeah, right, I think it's pretty smart. Now the funny part is I was wondering with like adults, like making them more aware of their, what they're doing is if it'll be just like with counting calories, it will not matter. It'll just be, it'll probably drive it up anyways. Override. Yeah, you're right. You need to make one where like your phone explodes or something like that. It shocks you. Yeah, the punishment is stupid. Zaps you, you know what I mean? Because I mean, you got an electronic phone in your hand, it'd be cool if it just zapped you. You're in the middle of like watching. Oh, shit, ah. It deducts from your account. Oh, fuck, $100 for another 10 minutes. Man, I think I'll stop right there. Dude, Justin, what was that noise in the bathroom, bro? Dude, that was not your normal poop screaming. No. Your normal poop screaming. I went to do my normal morning routine and I was basically, I had like one of the most frightening experiences ever. Whoa. What? Yeah. Yeah, so I was just. That's a statement. Especially from Justin. Yeah, I know. He's had some terrifying situations. Dude, no, because, listen. I'm there after him, too. You know how you take your pants down. So like, basically my shorts are almost touching the ground. Yeah. And you're in a very vulnerable state. Yeah, because you want to be, you want mobility, you want air. Yeah. You know what I mean? You need to feel that. Yeah, you need the breeze, you need everything to move properly. See, I feel like, do women pull their pants all the way down like guys do? I don't know. Because I like to go. Do some research. Let everything happen, right? That's an interesting question. It is. I think they might be a little bit like, they pull it down enough. Just enough. Yeah. That's what I pictured. Because I go, oh my God. And I have buddies that even take their shirt off. Guys have things hanging between their legs. You got to open your legs really wide to let everything kind of like fall out. That's right. Has you ever had any breathing room? Not to derail this. Power stance. Not to derail this, but the most disgusting thing that's ever happened in my life in a public bathroom is my, my, my, my weighing touches the seat. Ever happened? Oh, I know. It's just immediate, like, I'm like, where's the antibacterial fucking instant, instant instant. You can get checked from the doctor like today. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just, doc, I need to get in here. I don't need any of that bacteria. Why? Were you out fucking around? Like, no, no. My dick touched the fucking toilet. It sounds like you're in the toilet. The local bar. Yeah, try explaining that. I couldn't get any sleep. Try explaining that to your girlfriend. Yeah. My, my, my, my checkup came back and I got a STD motherfucker. Oh, must be the time I touched the toilet seat with my dick. You long sub. It's fucking. That didn't happen. It's almost as bad as when the water splashes back up and touches you right in the butt. Yeah, that's. That's fucking terrible. Actually, yeah, that cleans you a little bit. No, if you think about it. No, bro, it's fucking toilet water. I mean, it's gross. Touching your butthole. You might as well, you might as well have sex. Well, you just do it again. You do it again after it's fresh water. Exactly. There's nothing fresher about that water. Sure it is. You could drink out of that. I think they did it. I think they did a test like that. No, you could drink out of the tank. I wouldn't. I would recommend it. Adam's confused. Not the bowl. Dude, you never drink out of the bowl. It's the tank in the back. I've been doing it wrong this whole time. Adam's like, if there's an earthquake, babe, we don't need water. I read somewhere you could drink out of the toilet. It's disgusting. I'm going to bring it back. So I'm sitting in this very vulnerable state, right? And it comes time to wipe, and I'm going to do my thing. And I look on the ground, and I see a mouse in the mouse. And I was like, oh, shit, like it just threw me off. Like it closed you? Like I just stood up and was reaching back to kind of wipe. And so it got me in a really, like, yes, yes. It was like, I don't know. Wipe weird. Yeah. That's not a girl wipe. Well, I can't do it. I can't, like, animate what I was doing sitting down. Hold on a second. I don't do that. Are you going between the legs? Or you're around the back of the leg? Listen, this is how I was trying to mimic it. From that angle, it doesn't work. I'm going to do like this. OK, OK. Because it looked like you were between the legs. So I saw this. I was like, whoa, bro, that's back to front. You're going to get bullshit. Yeah, you've been doing that wrong. I know better. OK. I'm giving myself a yeast infection. Oh, my God. Anyways, so I'm going back. Like, and I see it getting, like, right next to my feet. And I was like, what a brave motherfucker. What the fuck's going on? And I was like, oh, shit. And did you stomp him? It went up my leg. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Yes, it climbed up my leg. And so I just was like, oh, fuck. I almost fell, like, on my head because my feet kind of went out. You know, because I felt I felt it crawling on my leg. And you have no one. It's going to go up and not. It doesn't stop there, right? So, like, I had my my my shorts were down. And so it got caught, like, in my shorts. And so I'm like fucking stopping at your face that just happened. Yes. And it was like in my pocket of my shorts. And so I threw my shorts off. I was butt naked. There was a fucking guy that was in there. I was like, oh, fucking, what is this? You know, and this guy was like, had no idea what I was doing, because I was like, there's a mouse in my shorts and I'm fucking freaking out. All he hears is, what is this? Yeah, yeah. So he must have been like. That's your penis, sir. Yeah, yeah. He's like, oh, my God, that came out of me. He's like, you had Mexican food? Bro, how'd you get it out? I was doing the Mexican hat dance, dude, just trying to fucking stomp. And I basically was like, I backed off and I'm like butt naked, just like looking at my shorts. And then it ran off. You could have had a pet. You could have saved him. Wow. That's a brave, hold on a second. They put it back on. I'm impressed with this mouse, because mice don't usually do that. They're scared. But he was trying to be your friend. He was going for it. You know what I think this mouse, you know what I think that what's going on here, Doug? He's trying to do your smell. No, I think. He wanted to burrow. Wait, what if it's like those movies where one of your friends or something dies and then their soul goes into an animal and they try to communicate? It's me, it's me, Fred. Ah, you're like, stop on it. Get the fuck off me. I was like, punt kicking it. No, you know what, dude? So I'm looking at Doug right now because Doug said that he's a couple of times now seen a mouse in the facility in the supplement, in the room where the fucking organized supplements are. We're definitely infested, like it's bad. I think this motherfucker's been eating the green juice and shit and just feeling strong. Oh my god, dude. You ever have a mouse eat, you ever seen a mouse eat supplements? Because I've had that happen before. It must be the time of year because it was this time last year when we saw one, right? The first time when we had the visitor. Well, so here's Tom. So here's a story, right? We caught him and threw the last one out. Okay, you know 24 Hour Fitness on Santa Teresa, right? So I was there and they had that, you know that back room with the supplements or whatever. We saw a mouse in there once and we fucking emptied everything, tried to figure, couldn't find where the son of a bitch was. But we would find periodically protein bars and powders and creatine. Creatine powder, get eaten. Like this little motherfucker was eating supplements. Jacked. Comes out just jacked. Fast forward, dude. Fast forward. Turns into a rat. One of my front desk people, one of my front desk girls is back there, she starts screaming out of her mind, runs out, closes the door. There's a fucking massive rat in there, she says. So I go in there and this rat was definitely on some shit. Like it wasn't a natural looking rat and I think it was the same one. It was explained splinter. Eating the creatine and all that stuff, that's what I think. And we ended up, we caught it, we finally caught it. We ate some turtles. So, but this one right here, this mouse that the reason why I brought Doug up is because Doug set out traps and on two separate occasions now, the whatever the treat is on, what do you put it on the trap by the way? Shave coconut from Thrive Market. Shameless plug, is today commercial for Thrive? No, I'm just giving him a little extra. This would have been a good day to do Thrive commercial. So doubles. So you're rat bait. So twice the bait was gone. Yeah, it's not good rat bait, I think. No, he likes it, he hates it. I think it's too light, Doug. Yeah, no, we get some heavier stuff. Yeah, you need some more pressure. Are you doing, is this the old school traps, the snap ones? Yes. Okay. The humane ones. What I found. The honey works here. Well, because it's sticky. I think those are considered humane. I think the ones where they trap them with the glue. Yeah, the glue is not humane. Yeah, that's horrible. That's a horrible way to go. Why is it, I don't understand the, Because it's quick. So the snap, it breaks their mouth. No, I get why that is supposed to be humane. Well, because they have to like eat their arms off and shit because they can't, you know, get out of it. It's glue. Oh, they get, and their mouth gets stuck down on it. And they scream the whole time. And it's like, ah! Yeah, dude. It's fucked up. It's horrible. I have a bad experience with one of those. Yeah, I did that all the time. Oh, really? Yeah, dude. Because I'm not, look, I'm not. You know what's funny is the people who probably do those probably think it's the more humane way. They're like, oh, I don't want to snap in with a, you know, wire, break it in his neck. I'll put him in some glue. I'm gonna throw him away. Yeah, yeah. I don't have a talk with him. That's more fun. Let him free. It's like drowning him. Drowning somebody. You know, waterboarding. Dude, I had a mouse in my house once years ago, and that's what I did is I got the glue traps because the exterminator recommended them, said they're super effective. They work. Bro, you ever hear a mouse scream? Yeah, it's. Okay? Middle of the night. My mother-in-law just freaking hit me up the other day to come over to her house because, and it was so, like, eerie. I come, she's like, could you get the mouse out of my, he was like back in my, where pots and pans are, and she'd been trying to track him, and you could hear him. Just, I'm like, oh God, I don't mind getting a dead one out, but getting one that's like screaming, this is a little weird. Oh, it's terrible. No, I had, he got caught in the middle of the night, I hear screaming from this little thing. I'm like, oh shit, I wake up in the middle of the night, go down, there he is. So I'm like, now what? I have to kill him. I'm like, what do I do now? I can't rip him off this glue, and if I set him out, he'll come back. So I'm like, how do I kill him? I had to think of how to kill him. So my idea was, no, my idea relaxed, Jesus Christ, Justin. No, my idea was, my idea was as I was gonna squash it, like just compress him until he couldn't breathe. So I got a shovel, I brought him outside, and I pushed down on the shovel on top of it. Oh God, dude, like all pressure on him. Well, I figure, I'm thinking, he'll pass out and then die from lack of oxygen. Those motherfuckers, you can't squash him. I'm pushing down, and he's still alive. I'm like, oh my God, dude, what do I do? So I left him outside overnight, which was bad. I hope he can't get him out, he was dead the next day. But, oh man, that was awful. Because I'm not like super, I love animals, but I'm not like a super animal rights person, but I don't like killing them, you know what I mean? Especially if I'm not gonna eat it. You know, if I was gonna eat the mouse, maybe I wouldn't have been a big deal. Yeah, gross, but anyway. But what we should do is get a cat. Yeah, let's get a studio cat. A studio cat? I think that's a good idea. Get a little badass cat that lives in this, that guy actually is not a bad idea. It's not a bad idea, as you say. You guys like cats? No, I'm allergic, that's my problem. No, I can't stand him. Would it be bad? Yeah. Yeah. What if we get a hairless one? No, dude. This is shit. Was there something about, I'm a dog guy, right? Just having a cat roaming around here would be weird. I mean, you dogs, certain terrier breeds. We're just putting a target on our back if we do that. For what? I don't know, dude, just I would make fun of you guys if we had a cat. If we had a cat? We're already having a guy with a man bun, you know, we gotta be careful. Yeah, perfect. You got a cat, too? Come on. Really? Think of our image. What's going on over at Minecraft? I've never had a cat, I feel like they're cool. No? What if we get one of those big cats? Maybe if they shoot lasers out of their eyes. Yeah, no, that would be cool, like a bobcat. Like a bobcat. No, I don't think you can have a bobcat. You can, actually. You can buy and own a bobcat. Yeah, so. I'm talking about the big, what are they called? Servit, oh, there's a name for them. They're like these Egyptian looking, they look like little fucking Panthers. Yeah. Have you seen them? Yeah, John Jones had one, right? Yeah. I think, I've seen those, they're wild. Yeah, you can buy a bobcat? Yeah, you can get a, some states will let you even have like a little, like a little tiger, dude. You can do that in certain, I think heiress don't, I looked this all up back when I was actually considering this. Serval. You thought you'd be an exotic animal guy. I would, dude, I would have some with that. Okay, look at this cat, this is the one that you could buy, it's called a serval. Serval, I don't know if I'm saying it right. Look at that thing, it's like a little leopard. Tell me that wouldn't be a badass little animal I have in here. And that's big, that thing's like this tall. Yeah, I could go with that. That's cool, cause that's tough. Yeah, that could probably eat a dog. Yeah. Yeah, it might bite us. If you had a cat in here, he would have to be like a vicious cat. Yeah, he just, like just shred things. Like we're not getting like a little house cat that probably wouldn't even be able to get the mice. Oh, really? We need, we need like a cat, like a... Dude, we got a lot of wires and stuff, you know. It's just gonna chew its way to shit. Here's the cat that I would get. You guys are fucking, you guys are all mean and shit. Here's the one I want. Look at this little bastard. Oh, that's cute, do you look at that? No. The animals you like are really... What do you mean no, dude? That's so cute, he looks like a little... He's got like a little smashed face. Yeah, he looks like a little teddy bear, dude. It's a flat-faced cat. Look up ragdolls. A ragdoll? That's what I used to have a ragdoll. Did I tell you the story on that? I bought this ragdoll from New York. So you've owned cats before? A cat, I had one cat one time. This is the one that died? Yeah, $1,000 pussy from New York. Wow. Right, and he only lasted... You know, if you Google that, you won't get a cat. When you do ragdoll? No, if you Google $1,000 pussy from New York, you won't get a cat. A cat won't... It directs you to something like obscure strip club. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. He was a cool cat, though. He was a really cool cat. But that's when I found out that I was allergic to him, too. Yeah. You get sneezes? Oh, bro, it was out of control. Out of control. Why'd you kill him? I didn't kill him? Oh, my bad. No way, dude. That'd be irresponsible as fuck. Spent $1,000 on a cat that strangled and killed him. No, you said it choked or something, right? Yeah, it had like... So because it was these purebreds, it's the one thing about purebred animals is they always have these issues, right? And I can't remember what the vet said that he had, but he had like an enlarged heart and it ended up, he ended up flooding his lungs full of fluid and it ended up like drowning. I found him like barely breathing and rushed him there and like by the time I rushed him there, he was damn near done. And then they told me that they could revive him and try and keep him on oxygen. How long did you have the cat before that happened? Only six months, dude. Oh, shit, were you attached? Yeah, it was just getting attached to him, dude. Like he was... And the breed's really cool. So if you're a cat person, I think it's a cool cat, you can, in the way they're called ragdolls, you can grab them like, they just, they're chill and they follow you around like a dog. They're more like... Oh, I want one of those. Yeah, that's why I told you to look it up. Look at them, look at them. Yeah, if they act like dogs, you know, they're cool. They do, like he would actually come into this. So I used to have... I'm gonna bring a cat in, fuck you guys, because for sure you won't kick him out. I know you guys, you guys are big hearts, you get like big teddy bears. I'll bring a cat in here, you're not gonna say shit. Goo-chee-goo. You're not gonna say shit. I wanna get one of those cat toys. I think even if we had like a small dog in here would keep the cute, I'd rather have that, like a little French bulldog in here would be cool. You just want another dog. I do. Dogs are a lot of work, dude, and then we can't go on trips and shit. No, we make some of the staff take care of it. That's kind of like... That's a good idea. Like the staff dog. We'll use the staff if we don't make them take care of shit. Exactly. It's true. Yeah, no, I don't want the responsibility of walking and training and stuff like that, I just want them roaming around. You want a French bulldog? Yeah. He's gonna shit on our lawn. Yeah, and I don't think French bulldogs are great. No, we train them. We train them first and then we train them. I don't think Frenchies are good for... Mouses. Mousers. Mice. Who is it? I don't think it's Mouses. Terriers, right? Terriers. Terriers are good for mousing. Yeah, so like a Yorkie would actually be good. God, you and your weird dogs that you like. What's so weird about your... You like all the chick dogs. I like terriers. You like the chick dogs. I like small dogs. Yeah, well small, French bulldogs small. I love French bulldogs. I just don't see a French bulldog being a good hunter. I don't think we actually need him to hunt. I think just the dog being present is enough to scare them. That's not true, dude. I don't think it's scared, bro. It went on my leg. You know what I'm saying? This is not a scared batch of mice. It's something to do with. The mouse is going to call the dogs bluff. Oh, that's you, man. That's something about you. It's something to do with you, man. You know what it is? You know what I just... It's his scent. I figured, no, it is. It is. You know why? What does Justin eat way too much of? Cheese. Yes. Yes, bro. Your shit puts off a cheese odor, bro. No way. That was not what happened. Yesterday I caught him when we were eating the protein. I didn't say anything to you. What happened? We all go to Luna all the time, right? Yes, and add cheese. Yeah, right, which is totally normal. But I look over at him. So if you look at my bowl, I kind of put a little bit of cheese in there and mix it in, just so it gets a little cheese flavor in there. I look over at Justin and he's eating spoonfuls of cheese. By itself? By itself. Just, I look over at him. It's your own portion of the plate. I was like, there's no steak or bean on that. That's just a... No, I'm mixed, dude. Just a spoon of cheese, dude. You're a liar. I'm not. You're a liar. Is that cheese poop? How is that cheese poop? That's exactly what the files came, bro. I know the mouse is like, I've never, that's the best cheese I've ever smelled in my life. Yeah. And then, you know, in his mind... Bro, you already stay in the air, right? When I come in there and fucking, I can always tell you were in there. So he's like... Full of shit. Dude, that's weird. His little primal mind is like, okay, do I take this risk? I've never smelled that one. He's like, he's like, this is the question. He's like, do it, do it. He smells cheese heaven. Smells like cheese heaven in here. I found out it was cheese hell. He was going for your butt hole, dude. He was trying to burp. You would have had a, what's that guy's, was that one actor, that rumor that he had gerbil stuck in his butt? Yeah. Who was that? Was it Richard Geer? Richard Geer, yeah. Hey, are you about to do a Richard Geer? Justin, are you current on Billions yet? Yes. The season finale? Shit. Wow, dude. That wasn't the finale. Yes. Was it? Yeah, it's over. Oh, really? That was it, dude, season finale right there. You know, like, that was crazy in like the way that it all, I don't know. Sal doesn't care. Okay, you guys can keep talking. Yeah, it was like, dude, like Taylor's role in that, it was insane. Yeah. Yeah, how that all played out. Such a great show. Westworld, I'll tell you what though. Westworld, the last one, did you see that? I know I'm behind one episode. Oh my God. Best episode I've seen on TV. Oh, wow. Yes. Oh, man, you got me all excited. I'm ready to watch, catch, catch. Throw that out there. It was like, it was super like deep and intense and epic, dude. So two totally different shows, but in my opinion right now, two of the best shows on television right now. If you're not watching Billions or Westworld, you're wasting part of your life. Yeah, I watched Jersey Shore. Yeah. I did. That's why I did, bro. Yeah, we'll just keep talking. My cousin was talking all about that this weekend. He's like, dude, it's so good. It is, bro. It's ridiculous. He's like, if you like the original one, it's so good. The last episode that I just watched, Vinny's mom, and so Vinny's mom is my favorite character. She shows up, she's only showed up once or twice, but she's my favorite character because she's the stereotype of the overbearing Southern Italian mom. Like stereotype. Like cuts his crusts off and her. Cuts his food for him. She shows up, does his laundry. Do you think when they were casting for it, do you think they like looked for that? Of course. I don't know if they looked specifically for that, but they probably saw this. No, that's not being like, exactly. Like each character, do you think like, oh, this is perfect? Dude, there are stereotypes that are true, man. Like, and that's definitely one. Like I'm watching her and I'm like. Is it a stereotype then? Yeah, because it's not true for everybody, right? But there's some true generalization. And then his uncle Nino is kind of. What are all the true stereotypes you know about? About what? Just what are all the true stereotypes you know? About, I can talk about my culture, for sure. Yeah. Is it racist if we go the other way? Yeah. For sure it is. Why not? Why not? We're going to do a whole episode of what we think about other people, other racist cultures. Well, we can start with our own first. We can start with our, no, you know. Mexicans definitely parked their cars on the grass. Do they really? Yeah, they do that. Now what? That's a hillbilly thing too, though. And they barbecue in the front yard with drinking corona. What's fucking happened? What side of your family's the Mexican side? All the women, so my grandmother was full and then they all married like white men. So it's, a lot of it's washed out down to me. I'm only like quarter, right? So, but yeah, all the women married. And it's just cousins and uncles and friends and stuff. So when you go to like family stuff, do you hang out? Do you hang out with like your Mexican side? I don't, remember my family didn't connect that much with. Yeah, when I was a kid, I didn't get it. I didn't really hang out with a lot of my cousins and family members. That's just my own experience growing up around other Hispanic families and stuff and being around it. It was a common theme that you would see like, oh, okay, that's just totally normal and okay to park your car on the lawn. Like I get it, that's cool. We had a lot of Wonder Bread mayonnaise apparently. Did you really? I just kidding. That's actually really good. Yeah, is that a stereotype? I don't know. I like mayonnaise and Wonder Bread. No, I mean, the stereotype of the overbearing, you know, Italian mom is, I mean, there's a lot of fucking truth to that, dude. Especially with their boys, like you're like a little prince in the house. Mom does everything for you, wipe your fucking mouth for you, get your clothes out for you, make your bed for you, clean your room. But it's also like, nobody's good enough for you. God forbid you date a girl. And you know, like there's this one comedian and he's not very well known, but he's hilarious to me because he's Sicilian and his family's actually from the same town of Sicily that my parents are from. And all of his skits are around those stereotypes. So they're hilarious because I see a lot of truth in them. And you know, he does a lot of these types of skits where his mom, like he did one where, you know, the title of it is, when you tell your mom your girlfriend's cooking is as good as hers or as good. Oh God. And she gets all pissed off and how dare you tell me, you know, and whatever. And it's a true, it's such a true, it can be true. So that's kind of common in the Hispanic culture too. All the men are like, the men are worshiped and the women are like, my sisters and stuff like that. My grandmother totally spoiled me more than the rest of the kids. And my mom, my mom's relationship with me, you can see it. And I didn't notice this until I got older, like it almost seems like she's competitive with my girlfriends to the point where I don't know if I shared this on the show before. This just happened like two years ago. And my mom, my mom is an amazing cook. And Katrina has literally became an amazing cook since we've been together. Like she was not a major cooker when we first met, but she's learned to cook really, really well and she cooks amazing now. And so, you know, I feel like up until this point where I'm talking about, like I never really talked about Katrina's cooking before until now. And so I can tell my mom has this like competitive edge. Well, just a couple of thanksgivings ago, my mom was in town and it's tradition. My mom always either for my birthday or Thanksgiving, she makes this like bomb cheesecake, right? Well, Katrina knows that. And so instead of making me the same cheesecake, the same recipe as my mom to where it's like competitive, she made me this like Oreo cheesecake. And it was different recipe, everything like that. And it was amazing. It was really, really good, right? And my mom came into town just after that, right? For the holidays and she had seen it in there. I'm like, oh yeah, no, Katrina made this Oreo cheesecake. God, it was so good. And my mom was just like, oh, like, like you like it better than your religious? I was like, well, I don't know if it's a better thing. I just really like it. Oh my God, especially if you're next to your girlfriend and your mom. Oh no, I guess this gets worse. What do I say? No, this gets worse. So my mom, like that next day, I think I was at work or doing something and I come home and my mom had made her cheesecakes. So now I've got like two cheese, I don't even eat fucking cheesecake that much anymore. I'm just saying it's like one slice, I'm good, right? So now I've got two like full cheesecakes in my refrigerator and my mom's like constantly like, have some cheesecake, have some cheesecake. You know, wanting to serve me all the time like after. I'm like, I'm good, I'm good. But I'm like, okay, I can tell my mom wants me to have some of the cheesecake, right? Okay, so I have some of the cheesecake and Katrina's in the kitchen and my mom is serving me in the living room, her cheesecake and she's like standing over me while she's eating it and she's like waiting for me to eat it and then tell her and she's like, so which one do you like better? Oh no. And I'm like, Katrina's in the kitchen and my mom is standing right there. There's no right answer. Oh, you know what I looked at her, I'm like, really? You really are gonna ask me that right now? Are you serious? Like Katrina's standing right there in the kitchen, like why would you even put me in that position? And my mom just like, do you not like it? I'm just like, oh my God, dude, I can't believe that she would do that. So you know what the problem is with me is that- Sabotage. The problem with me is and my girlfriend would totally understand this. So I love the fact that she's an understanding woman. If my mom asked me that in front of my girlfriend, I'd be like, mom, yours is the best and I'd give her a big kiss and hug and everybody would have to be cool with that. Jessica the wink. And then afterwards I'd be like, babe, just to be cool. You don't wanna, you know, whatever. No, it's, I mean, my mom would, one time my brother, I'm gonna rat him out. He's gonna love this. He was probably, here's the thing too about the stereotype about my culture that is, can be true. Like you don't move out until you get married. So if I was a single 40 year old dude, I'd be living with my parents. Like that's just, and it's not a thing. Like nobody trips over in our culture. You just do it. And your mom still does everything for you. So literally she'd be folding my clothes for me, washing my stuff, cooking dinner, doing all that stuff for me, right? Which can be, if you're not inside the culture, you can definitely come across as a massive mama's boy and understandably. So my brother was like 20, he was like in his mid 20s, still living at home and we would laugh and I'd be like, dude, why don't you get your own place? You make a lot of money or whatever. I was like, why? Mom does everything for me, cooks dinner, I got a great dinner. He has no incentive. Yeah, I can't blame him, you know. So one of the things that convinced him to leave, he was in his room and he had his headphones on, he was watching porn on his computer. And my mom just opened the door to clean his room. Mid stroke? Oh dude, he was sitting facing the computer. So I don't think she got a solid hand. I don't think she got a shot of him because I think his back was to the door. But she could see what's on the computer screen. So she opened the door and then closed it real quick and he kind of heard the door close and it turns around and he's like, then he afterwards, he's like, I don't know if mom and then afterwards he talked to my mom and he's like, did you come in my room? She's like, oh, I closed it real fast. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to disturb you. He moved out after that. I've never had some of that. The closest thing I had happened to that was when I was in, when I first moved to San Jose I lived with my grandmother and I had set my, when I first moved here the idea was to come finish my kinesis degree and so I had like converted the room into like this little office and I just got a new laptop. It was all set up to my speakers and so I have it all set up and my door, my bedroom door is open and I'm just going through my emails and I open up an email that my buddy sent and this, I remember when this became a thing and it was going around and popped I didn't know it when I opened it up but I opened it up and it locks your screen. Oh, and it's really loud. And it's really loud and it's saying I'm looking at gay porn, I'm looking at gay porn. That's all these dudes like sucking dicks and everything. And my grandmother just was coming to walk you at the same time and it's like, and my screen is locked and I'm like trying to get it off. How do you explain that? I know and to your grandmother who doesn't know anything about even, my grandmother doesn't even know what email is at this time. You know what I'm saying? Like what's email? Like trying to explain that to her like, what are you doing? So I'm slamming. Did you have a conversation with her about it? Well yeah, I mean I talked to her afterwards it was a prank that my buddy did and she got it and everything like that but the initial moment when she walks in that happens. I mean, I'm sure I turned bright red and freaked out. You know, and for the first like three minutes you're just trying to delete out of it and back out of it. Like I'm not thinking I have to like unplug the computer but it was one of those pranks that it literally locks up your computer. You can't escape out. You can't just delete it or like that. It's like locks on the screen for like a minute or two. Dude, I got caught. I got caught. This is when I was married. I got caught by my ex. She walked in, in on me, mid, you know session or whatever. And all she does is she looks at me and she goes ill and she walked out. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, fuck man. I feel dirty. You just killed my boner. Yeah. No, no, no. I don't get deterred that easily. I had to persevere out of it. Five minutes later I walked out and I said I had a conversation with her. Five minutes. But no, but you know it's for the double standard, right? And then I talked to her about that. I'm like, God, if I walked in on you I'd be like, I know. I'd be like, yeah, party time. Either don't make too much noise and watch or I don't know what to do. I think it depends on the girl, because Katrina would love that. She would. It does depend on the girl. Yeah, it depends on the girl. Katrina walked in on that. She'd be like, oh, shit, party time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We're starting early tonight, huh? You guys don't do that together, do you? You ever watch dirty shit together? Of course. Yeah, of course. But you know what, I don't do that a lot. Like I think it's... It's just something a little different. Yeah, I try and outing. I try and sprinkle it in every once in a while as like something different. Because I think of what can happen to you is if you get to the point where you have to do that in order for you to be aroused. I think it could either connect or disconnect you with someone. You know what I'm saying? Right, right, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. It has to be used kind of like a tool, like something that you sprinkle in there every once in a while, but if you... I mean, I think you can absolutely become addicted to it. I think you become addicted to it and then become... Speaking of which, do you know what company I contacted for potential sponsorship? Whoa, I'm really curious what you're going here. Yeah, because I... Who? Adam and Eve, it's this company online. We have no affiliation, by the way. It's all online. This is not a commercial, I have zero affiliation. Haven't even heard back from them. But they're like one of the biggest retailers of sex toys. And I thought that would be kind of a cool deal to work out because it's part of health and it's kind of our brand a little bit. Yeah, you know it won't work though because remember I thought I told you guys this, when my sister was working for like the largest like dildo company in the country. What do you mean by the largest? The largest dildos or the largest griffinists? I think both actually. I think they have the record for both. I'll have to ask her. But when Mind Pump was first taking off... Oh, I remembered. Yeah, I had her reach out and talk to the boss and like listen to the show. And she was like, oh, the show's great, but absolutely not. Like companies that are that big, they're trying to make... It's still taboo, right? Pornography and dildos. Really? Because I feel like like Sex with Emily, she does sex toys and stuff all the time. Yeah, but if you listen to her when she does them, I bet you it's very professional in the way she talks about it where... Yeah, knowing us. Yeah, exactly. We'd be throwing them at each other. Well, yeah, and we... Look at how we do our commercials for Organifi. I mean, we find ways to make them really inappropriate. And they're not looking for that. They're looking for like... I think they're trying to legitimize and make it more professional. They're not trying to make it a comedy. They don't want comedy when it comes to that. I think I just want a discount. Could you imagine if we were... I just want a discount. I'm trying to get a discount. Getting bulk orders. I don't think I can take that seriously. Like I couldn't have a dildo company that we had to do commercials for once a week or once a month or whatever our cadence was. And it have to be like professional. I also feel like women probably sell it better because the sex toy market is female dominated, right? Women are the ones that buy most of them, even the ones that are for men. We don't need knee apparatuses. Is that true? I don't know that. Is it true? Bro, I imagine it is. Yeah, I mean, if you go on... You're just throwing that out there. No, if you go on their website, it's, I mean, the sex toys, the most of them are gonna be made for women because what is there for guys specifically really? For a woman, I can understand. Like a woman, some women never have... Some women have their first orgasm with a vibrator because it actually is the first time they've ever been stimulated in that way. You know, guys, I mean, our sex organs outside of our body, it's typically not an issue and we get pretty good with our hand or whatever. Just be like those real dolls or whatever. Gross. Yeah, right? But that's all male-driven, you know, like that market. Yeah, and that's different, isn't it? You know what I mean? I think it's a little different than like an actual, I don't know. Have either one of you fucked one of them dolls? No. No? I'd say that I have. Doug? Doug. I feel like Doug has like a house full of them. Oh my God. He just got a new place and it's like three bedrooms. Like what do you need three bedrooms for? Doug has guests. Well, that's over again. That's Suzanne's room and this is over here. Because the room over here, I'm like, who are they? Why is her name the same with my girlfriend, Doug? Yeah. What the fuck? What's going on here? She has a nose ring attached to her arm. I'd be like, what the fuck? Hey dude, how weird is it? Hey, would you get hella weirded out? We go to Doug's house one time and he's got like three rooms for girls and they're all named like Katrina and Jessica and Corey. Sounds like a bad movie. The Blonde, the Burnett. You know what? I'm a pretty open-minded person plus Doug is extremely valuable to the company so I'd have to overlook it. Yeah. You know what I mean? I'd weigh it out for a while. I'd be like, listen, I would measure his production. I would measure his production off of it. Like if he's been a lot more productive with it, I'd be to encourage him. Like, okay, you know? Maybe you and Katrina Katrina could go out on a date sometimes. We'd have conversations with our girls. Just a little flirting. That's all I want you to do with him. Just a little. Just a little flirting. He's way more productive. When he's plugged in, just encourage him a little bit. Just a tidy bit. God, that would be creepy as hell. It would be creepy as hell just to walk in someone's house and see one of those. I know. Have you guys ever had like a best friend or a buddy of yours that's like been into your girl and stuff and had like a weird conversation like that or dealt with that? Totally. No, dude. Really? No. I've never had a guy tell me. I mean, I've had people tell me like my girlfriends were very attractive. Yeah, she's gorgeous. But I've never been like felt weird about it. I heard my friend's dad was like, oh yeah, your wife is gorgeous. And I was like, all weird like that. Yeah, and I was like, ew, beat it. He's like, I will. Yeah. Oh my, dude. Oh, man. You serve that one up, dude. Just as like, that's kind of hot. People will be like, wait a minute. Yeah. I can't believe, you know who, and we still haven't released this episode, Larry Evans, our boy, dude, was like this. And he was such a dog. He was such a, and this would just used to drive me crazy about him is the dude would be even hitting on my girl. In front of you. And I still loved him. Yeah. He just had this ability to do that. Yeah. But I think it's kind of innocent, but you know. You're like, no, no, you're really like seen where it's gonna go. First of all, if you're a confident man, this is a good topic. If you're a very confident man and you have a good relationship with your friend. Right, it doesn't bother me. If they do it in front of you, like if I got, if there was a hitting camera or weird text messages. Oh, he would do it. That'd be different. He would do it in front of me and not in front of me just as much. Like it was both ways. But because he does it in front of you, it's different though. Right, right. Because you know, you know what I'm saying. That's his personality. But I mean, him and I've been friends for a really long time. So he's been with me through multiple girlfriends that I've dated. And it'd always be great when they come to tell me. Cause they come tell me. And I remember one time I was dating this girl, Kelly at the, and we were at the club and she was this blonde girl. And she just had an amazing butt and he was so infatuated with it. And he would always tell me. And we're out drinking and dancing one night. And you know, I'm definitely the type of guy when I don't cling to my girlfriend. Like, you know, she could be off dancing with other guys and doing her thing at the same time that I'm in the club. And I'm totally fine with that. And so she's off kind of doing her own thing. And Larry works his way over to her and stuff. And he's like whispering in her ear and shit. And then like 15 minutes later, she comes over to me. She goes, do you know that your friend just made a pass at me? I'm like, which friend? Larry? I'm like, oh yeah. That's normal. Yeah, I knew that was going to happen. And she's like, no, no, I mean, like really, he really, I mean, I think if I would have said, I'm like, oh yeah, no, if you would have said, yes, I'm sure he would have. Oh my God. That's my boy. All right. No, I mean, I think if you're really confident and that's now that's different. I don't know about that. I don't know if I actually knew that a friend of mine would do something like that. But you know, here's the bottom line at the end of the day. At the end of the day, your friend has a responsibility to not do something like that, because I would, that's a line I would never thought. Oh, there's guy code. There's a line I would never cross. It still exists, yeah. But there's also responsibility on your girlfriend. You gotta check it sometimes, which is awkward. But yeah, for the most part, if it's super innocent like that, like you just know right away, like based off of your friend's personality, like what's going to come. Like my friend, he was just lazy. You know, like he never got out of his house. And so he would just see me like come back with like, you know, a hot girl and then he'd start hitting on her too. You know, I'm like, come on, man. Like go do your own fishing. I had a, you know, you fucking lazy. I had an awkward situation where I was in Mexico and with friends, a bunch of friends, and my buddy's wife, she's, she'll drink and kind of get a little crazy or whatever. And a couple times now, she'll say or do something that doesn't feel, it feels a little inappropriate. It's not outwardly inappropriate, but it feels that way. And you can tell everybody around is identifying that this is kind of, so we're at the pool, we're all drunk. We're all having a great time. And I'm putting lotion, not lotion, sunscreen on my body. And she goes, oh, can I have some of that? So I'm like, sure. So I squirt some on her hand and she starts rubbing my chest with it in front of everybody. And her husband's right there. That's pretty intimate. And her husband's right there, dude. And he's my buddy. And I don't know what to do because I feel very awkward. She starts making circles around your nipples. At the same time, you're like, I kind of like this. No, no, you know what happens? He grabbed her hand while she was doing it and pulled it away and looked at her with this look. And I was like, whoa, this is really, because I don't know what to do. Yeah, that's awkward. Then the rest of the time, like we acted like it didn't happen. And I'm pretty sure they had a fight later on that night. Yeah, sure, they said something last, yeah, that night. Yeah, dude, because that's kind of, you know what I mean? Because you could tell on my face, I'm like, what are you doing? Don't fucking put sunscreen on my chest. It's funny, I was talking to this with my wife about that, like what would really like, you know, set you off. And like she said something funny to me. She was like, I always pictured like, if some girl was like feeding you grapes, I would lose my shit. I was like feeding you grapes. Like of all the things. Yeah, of all the things, right? Because it's so intimate. Right, you could rub up on it, but don't you care for your grapes. We were watching some on TV and it was just like, she'd be feeding him cheese cubes. You guys have the, see, I'm not, I am not, I don't have a jealous bone in my body dude. I just don't, I don't, here's, the reason why is I think of it like this, like no matter what, like if she's tempted or she wants to do something like that, she's gonna fucking do it. And if I, if I get jealous about it and I try and try and keep her from doing that, I think I only will encourage that behavior. The other day, she's gonna do what she wants to do no matter what. So I have full, like, Katrina. But that was learned. I mean, I had to go through a process of that, of like control, control. Of course. And then, you know, as I, as I went through relationship to relationship, yeah, you realize right away, it's like just up and honest. Like I'm, I'm gonna do my thing. You're gonna do your thing. Like if you don't wanna be with me, you just better tell me, you know? Like, and that's just how I've operated. I'm not really a jealous person, but there's, I can definitely. You're like, you would be a jealous person. I can have moments where, not really jealous, but I can definitely have moments where like, okay, so Jessica, especially if she puts a dress on, she just, she just, she walks, she's just walking sex. She's just very sexy sex. I mean, she, I tell her all the time, like you give off a lot of that energy, you know? Because the weight move in your hip and all that stuff. And so there's been a couple of times where she put on this little tiny dress or whatever. And she's gonna go somewhere and then I'll kind of say something and I'll catch myself like, what are you saying? But I've already said it, you know? And the way I'll say it, I'll be like, and part of it is, part of it's, I'm sure part of it's insecurity, but part of it's also I'm very, I can be very protective and I almost feel like, well, what if someone like, you might attract the wrong attention or something? And she's very innocent. So she's like, are you telling me what I can and can't wear? And I'm like, well, no. And then, you know, whatever. But yeah, I'm not typically a- See, that's interesting because we're different there. I'm the one who, Katrina will get dressed and be like, ah, put something like this, put shorter shorts. I like when you wear those really short shorts, you know what I'm saying? I'm like, I was serving it out there. I try to make her look slettier when we go outside. You look great when you wear a shirt. I'm somewhere in the middle of you two. Yeah, I don't know about that. I encourage the fuck out of her. Well, here's, I just, I'm one, I'm confident in our relationship and like, I don't know when, I've been in relationships like that where you date girls and you walk in somewhere and everybody's oohing and on and looking in, whistling and hollering and I've been put in enough of those uncomfortable situations to get comfortable with it. You know what I'm saying? Like now, if a dude puts his hands on your girls and that's inappropriate and stuff and she's not the type of woman to put it out there like that. Like you can dress provocative but if you act provocative, it's totally different, right? Like it's one thing to look sexy and to have that sex appeal. It's another thing to be I fucking another guy while you're looking like that too. And it's like, okay, well, that's inappropriate but she would never even fuck with those boundaries. No, it's funny because Jessica knows me so well that the things that will bother her are the things that she knows I like in other people. Like if she saw some just some regular hot girl talking to me probably wouldn't bother. But if she saw some hot girl having a really good conversation with me where I'm enthralled that may bother or she may be like, ooh, she's really smart. I don't want you to talk because she knows the things that I'm attracted to or whatever. Well, that's also a reflection of their insecurities when it's like that, right? It's like, oh, I feel like I feel inadequate for this because and if he's talking to or she's talking to someone and they're like that. It's always like that. I think that's so good though for the ego to be challenged that way. I think it's such a good thing. Like I like getting put in that position. Like you go talk to like the, I mean, for me it'd be like the Matthew McConaughey guy, right? Cause I always wanted to be the blonde, the blonde, the gold box, right? So the surfer look guy is like talking to my girl like that, but it's, I think it's good for me. It's like, oh, you know, fuck, check my shit. Yeah, I soon as a movie star guy hit on, hit on my wife at one time, dude. And that was like, I was like, oh, cool. You know, like that's like validation. It's a super compliment, man. Yeah. But at the same time, you know, like there was a twinge of that like, oh fuck, you know, that guy was super handsome. You know, and so you get like, like, you check yourself on that for a second. I mean, you know, you want to hear what's the, you know what really happens a lot when we go on trips? I mean, Jessica and I couples hit on us. That happened. That's happened actually a few times. Well you guys, you guys put off the hippie swinger vibe. That's whatever. You do. Yeah. Which is not, we're not swinger. I mean, I'm not even into that either. But sometimes I like, I ask Katrina, do you want to fuck them for some reason? Yeah. I feel like they're putting that off. I appreciate that. No, I- Keep it in the family. Yeah, no, we're good. No, that's definitely not our thing whatsoever, but we've gotten hit on a couple different times by couples. And it's kind of, it's a very strange, weird. I've never experienced that where you have a couple hitting on you. Like, what do you say? Are they just being friendly? Maybe they're just being friendly. But we had this couple tell us they want to hang out. Hey, come back to our room. We'll all get in the hot tub. And Jessica and I are like, nah. Yeah, when you first meet someone, that's a little forward. It's like the first time we hung out. Yeah, come back to my room. And it was like this good looking older couple and they're kind of early 40s. It looked like that. So it's kind of like they fit that. The dude had a ponytail. I don't remember. But they kind of fit that mole, right? Where you're like, no. Well, I think that's a thing. Were you like on vacation? Yeah, we were. You think we give off a swing or what? Yeah, guys. It's the natural oils and hippy side of you guys. That's what it is. Is it really? Yeah, it's the hippy side because that's part of that culture. I'm gonna start wearing suits everywhere. That's part of that culture, right? It's the free love and free everything. And so I think you guys put off a hippy vibe and you're good looking and fit and you're into your bodies. So absolutely, if I was a swinger and I was on it, absolutely, I'm trying to fuck you guys. 100%. Like if I'm at it. Stop saying you guys. Huh? I feel like you're trying to have sex with me too. Relax. Well, that's what swinging would be. That's another level. That's what swinging would be. I mean, if we're in there, we're doing it with both of you guys. I mean, you're in the room too, right? You know how that gets down? Yeah, there's that. They're docy-doin'. I think, yeah, I mean, another couple invites you back to their hotel room. There's no, I mean, that's a four way, not to like take turns, like you go sit outside for a while with my wife. Turn your partner. No. That's a weird, I'm not cool with that. Do you remember the last thing that Jessica did that made you, that got you upset or that made you feel insecure? A little bit insecure. It was a while ago. She was, what did she do? She went on a trip to San Diego with her friend and they were gonna get a, they were gonna do like a hostel. They were gonna sleep in a hostel. But it was like a room with like five beds. So her and her friend and then three other random people were gonna be in there. And it kind of, part of it was the safety issue. Like, well, that's kind of, that might not be too safe. And the other part of it was kind of like some drunk dudes are gonna come home after late night of partying and you're all gonna be in the same room. So I kind of had an issue with it. And it wasn't a big issue. It was a little bit of an issue though. I could tell, I could feel it inside myself. That was feeling a little bit jealous. What happened from it? Nothing, she, the safety issue was the one that, she didn't do the hostel because I made the safety issue point which after I admitted like, okay, well, yeah, I'm being a little jealous, but it is kind of a not a safe thing to do. And then it dawned on her and she said, yeah, I guess we'll just get a room, just the two of us. But that was it, it was just a conversation. It wasn't like crazy. What about you, Justin? I think she, Courtney plans a trip every now and then to go to Cabo with like her girlfriends. And I had to check myself a little bit just about, you know, like basically having her there, just whatever, doing what I had to just like be free with like, yeah, you do your thing. Like I'll do my thing. Usually I'm not, I don't have a problem with it. But I guess I didn't know any of the other girls. Like she went with this like whole new set of girl friends that she just met. And so it was like a new thing that she got herself like a new set of friends. We're living in Scots Valley now and meeting new people with moms groups and stuff like that. So I just was a little bit uncertain as to like, you know, the vibe of the group and everything. But then I just got over it. Did you catch yourself or did she have to check you? No, I caught myself. Oh, you caught yourself. Yeah, cause it raised a little bit of the uncertainty. Like that started to come back to me and it was a safety thing too. On the end of it being like, well, okay, where are you guys exactly staying? Like who's, you know, like how are you going to check in? All this kind of shit that you just go through. But yeah, I've learned to like, so now this is becoming like a regular trip for her with these girls and it's great because it always, she always comes back more refreshed and more energetic and like, more about the relationship, you know? It's like, we need, it's so healthy to do that. I say this all the time. I think it's so important. It's like, I mean, I know it's cliche to say abstinence makes a heart grow fonder, but there's truth to that. And you know, when you, especially when you've been in a relationship. Abstinence or abstinence? Abstinence. Yeah, abstinence. Okay, that's what I said. No, I don't know which one. Either way, yeah. Cause both work. Abstinence and abstinence. Right, so I think that doing that, especially when you've been in a relationship for as long as you have with Courtney or I have with Katrina, when you're talking about that many years, you know, you get used to that same person waking up with you and all the little things that they do that are so amazing are not that amazing to you anymore because you now- You take it for granted. You do, you take it for granted. And when they're gone in a way for three or four or five days in a row, and I tell Katrina this every time, that's one of my favorite parts about traveling with Mind Palm. And I know she doesn't like it cause we miss each other with that. But that's what I love about it is when I go, it always reminds me of how much I appreciate you being around me all the time. So it's so important. For sure, it makes a big, and you know, to be honest, 100% honest, like, I mean, I can only speak for myself. I'm not necessary. First off, I value my autonomy and freedom tremendously. Obviously, it's like one of my personal themes. And so if I ever feel like I'm being controlled or checked on or whatever, especially cause I'm not doing anything wrong, it definitely can make me want to run in the opposite direction. I don't like that. And because I value it so much, it helps me check myself if I start to feel. If I start to feel jealous or whatever, I think to myself like, okay, I wouldn't like it in return. And that helps me, that helps me check it a little bit. Justin, what about the environment at the hospital? Like I feel like that, you never had like a, you never like, you can't ever come to work and your wife in or just she's like the new doctor. And he's like, I mean, there's some handsome doctors. He's like 35, super hot, drives a badass whip. You know what I'm saying? Well, you know, it's funny too, like some, like she'll get some, some 18 year old, you know, guys coming in that are like, you know, I've had like a sports injury or something. And it's like, you know, and she has to deal with cleaning them and all this. So there's, there's been issues. You know what I'm saying? And there's been some guys that like they, they fall in love with her, you know? After they've cleaned it, she's cleaned their junk. Well, not just that, but like, she's very friendly. She's scrubbing it. Fuck you. But yeah, no, I knew there had to be some hospital stuff, dude. I'm like, come on, bro. That's like the worst. You know, it doesn't even bother me though, because I don't know. I guess with her, my relationship with her is totally different than any other girl that I've even like dated. So it was like established from day one. So if there's any inkling to that, it's like, we're done. You know, like, so that doesn't even exist in our relationship. But at the same time, it's kind of funny because she does tell me the stories of like, you know, some guys like saying some inappropriate shit or, you know, a dad in the room with them and saying some shit, you know, in Spanish, but she understands Spanish. That's funny. So yeah, like, she doesn't look like a girl that would understand Spanish. Exactly. Yeah. So she's been able to kind of identify some creeps and shit. And so sometimes I'll actually go in there and just make my presence known if like, I've done that a few times. Oh, really? Yeah. So like, for instance, for that guy on the husband. Yeah. Like there was a dad that was like, you know, he was saying some inappropriate shit, you know. And so I just like introduced myself to him and brought her coffee and shook his hand and shit and made eye contact with him. I'll do stuff like that every now and then. That's a patient or is that someone who works there? This was a patient's dad that was in the room watching the kids. She works on the pediatric. Pediatric. So yeah, so I was like, okay, I'm gonna let this motherfucker know that I exist and what I look like and all that kind of stuff. So, you know, it's just every now and then you gotta kind of, you know, let it be known. The thing about cheating that devastates people so much isn't even the cheating aspect of it. It's that you were so convinced that you knew someone. You were so, what you feel fooled that you knew someone because you talk to people who are, because I know people who've been cheated on, but they kind of expected it and it still sucks and they're pissed off, but it's not the same as like people who get cheated on by someone they thought would never do that. Like it would be like if one of you guys murdered someone, I'd be like, I know them. That doesn't make sense. Like it doesn't make sense that they would ever do that. It blows your whole belief or understanding of. Oh, I think it's, I don't know if it's as much as that as it is different for, I think it's different for men and women, you know, what bothers them more about that. Oh no, they've done studies on that. Yeah, I think. So men would, men are more likely to be upset with a woman having sex and less likely if she falls in love. So they'll do these studies where they ask people, what would be worse if your partner had sex with someone, but they didn't love them, or if they fell in love with someone but didn't have sex with them and didn't have any physical contact. Men, men would feel worse with the sex. Women would feel worse with the love. And it's pretty clear. Makes perfect sense. And it's pretty clear. Oh yeah, for sure. If Katrina came up to me and she's like, I'm at this guy, he's just amazing and I'm in love and this and that. We've never done anything. And I go like, yeah, she goes, you know, we've never hooked up or anything like that but I'm just coming here for this. I'd be devastated like that. You know what I'm saying? Or I mean, it wouldn't bother as much as if she were to come and say to me, I fucked this guy, right? She just fucked some guy on some random trip. That would bother me more than if it was some dude. So let's unpack that for a second. Like why does one bother men more and why does one bother women more? And I've read some articles on this and there's a lot of theories. And one of them which makes, which feels like it makes the most sense to me is for men, if you know that your partner, your female partner is just having casual sex, that bothers you because a, a man never fully knows, at least evolutionarily speaking, never fully knows if offspring are his. So that's an important thing that where men would be very protective, like make sure that the offspring is mine. So that's number one. Number two, let's be totally honest here. If a woman who's not horrendously unattractive just wants to have sex, she could do it pretty much whenever she wants. It's way easier for a woman. So knowing that as a man, that your girl will just have casual sex is almost like a mirror of deficiency on your end. It's like, what am I doing wrong? And then the other part for women is like, it's the resources thing. Like, well, if he loves someone else, then he's not gonna provide for me. He's not gonna support me. He's not gonna be there because the random sex that my spouse has, my husband or my boyfriend has, I know he loves me and he'll take care of me. And so that's kind of the, that's what the theory is behind it. That's interesting. I think it would be, it's gotta be different for each person, right? I think if, if Katrina fell in love with a guy, I'd be more interested to meet him because I'm like, I'm probably gonna really like this guy. You know what I'm saying? Like, we're probably gonna be friends. Like just do this. What if he's the opposite? Awesome. What if he's the opposite of what he's doing? She's been with me for a long time. I'm a fucking really cool person. If she found someone who's cooler than I am, I gotta like him. He's gotta be cool. Yeah, he's gotta be fucking cool. What would you do if it was like, just the opposite of what you thought? It's just some fucking scrub, dude. Would you lose total respect? Oh. Yeah, I'd be disappointed in her. If she didn't level up, I'd be mad. Yeah, like, I mean, he's got, that's what I mean. Like I expect her cause she's a catch and she's badass. If she leaves me for someone else, he'd better be fucking the next level. You know what I'm saying? Like he, I'd better meet him and go like, God damn, I wanna hang out with this dude. Like I could learn something. I'd be like, or I really like him. You know, he's a lot of fun or he's funny. You know what I'm saying? Be friends. Yeah. You know what dude, that would just piss her off. Dude, that's why it'd be like a double win for me. Have him on the show. Son of a bitch, I try to get rid of this guy. They're best friends. He's working for me now. Have you ever felt like jealousy or anything with her or a little insecurity? Has there ever been an issue? Cause they've been together for a long time. Yeah, no, we've been together for a long time. The only time I think, and obviously she would probably be the best one to ask this question to, but I don't think so. I think the only times I've ever been frustrated or upset with her with something like that, it's more because maybe she just made me feel that way like a week or two before. You know, like maybe she was just giving me grief because the way I put my arm around a girl, I put it like mid or lower back and it's like she's giving me shit for something like that, right? And I'm like, are you fucking kidding me? Like really? To totally separate things. Right, right, exactly, right? You're sending a total different message or you're such a flirt about things. I put my hand on her butt. So if she's, whatever. If she was giving me grief about the way I am around a female and then I catch her doing something similar, I think that's the only time and it's not me upset because she's doing that. It's like, hey, see, you're just like me. You know what I'm saying? When you're talking to a male like that, like you're putting off that vibe and I'm not bothered by it, but it bothers me that you're just like me and you do similar shit and you're giving me grief about it too. Like, relax. I mean, we live together, we see each other every day. Like, I'm coming home to you. I don't want her. That is my personality. I'm like, so I've never been like, she's never, no, I think I'm sure she would defend herself and be like, well, I'm not that way. And I don't, I'm not constantly around men like you are. But she knows she's in a construction type job now where she's got, I mean, she's like a super minority. I mean, you're talking about- It's all men. All men. And it's all like construction, inappropriate. There's a lot of testosterone there, bro. Yeah, I 100% know she, I mean, sometimes she talks to me about it. But I don't even, I'm not the type of like boyfriend or fiance, husband type of guy to be even like inquiring about it. I know it. You work in an environment. I've worked in that environment before. I know what it's like. I know the conversations we're having when we're framing and we're fucking pouring concrete and we're doing stuff with a bunch of buddies that are drinking beer after work every day. I know the types of conversation we're in. And then I know what it would be like when the one girl in the entire company is also hot and she's fucking- You know what happens though? In a power position. But you know what happens? Cause I've been in situations like that. You know what happens is if the woman like maintains her assertiveness and confidence, at first the guys will push and then after a while she ends up becoming like everybody's little sister or everybody's, you know what I mean? You just get a bunch of guys- Yeah, that doesn't happen in this situation because she's the boss. So she's not the little sister. You know what I'm saying? If she rules it in any role, it would be mom or the boss lady, you know what I'm saying? So she's not getting people feeling like she's the little sister or if anything. But at the end of the day, like I know it happens. I know it happens. I know it's part of the job. I know that's what it comes with the territory. It doesn't bother me though. You know, you gotta appreciate the truth and the reality is that, you know, given our situation, we're not necessarily easy men to be with. If you really have to, if you really think about it, it's not a common situation. We work in the fitness industry, which number one, if you're an insecure woman dating a man who's in fitness, who's either a trainer, working in a gym, training women, especially if the guy's kind of fit or buffed or whatever. Like that alone is kind of a challenge. I know a lot of women who have said to me upfront, I would never date a personal trainer. How many clients have you had that had to stop training with you because there are significant others stopped it? Not too many, but I've had a lot of them tell me that their spouses- Two or three. Yeah, I've had a lot of them tell me that their spouses had an issue at first. You guys remember when I posted the stats that they did? I think it was men's health or it was one. I can't remember where I read the article. This was a couple of years ago. I posted them. What was the number one? Oh, yeah, it's number one, hospitals are number two. I think 72%, it was a really high number of trainers have slept with clients. So imagine being a woman who's dating a trainer in that position and knowing that the odds- Justin married his. Yeah. We defy all the odds. So I mean- Hospital, engine. Yeah, absolutely, you're in a real... I mean, again too, I think this is also why honesty and being straightforward about things- But it's not a common situation because we are in fitness. Then on top of it, we're kind of public personas on social media. We're still in the fitness industry, even though we run a media company, which means we travel a lot and then you'll have followers and fans and listeners of the show. And when people view you in that particular way, they tend to not respect boundaries as much. When a woman sees a celebrity, guy that she has a crush on, even though she may know he's married, she may feel like it's not a big deal to tell him, oh my God, you're so hot. I love you. I'll do this to you. Because it's different because it's a celebrity, you know what I'm saying? And so it's a hard, you gotta appreciate the challenge. And then on top of it, I can speak for myself, I'm a very talkative individual. I'll talk to people, I'll have a good time with them. And that can be challenging too. If you're dating me and you see me at a party, I'm gonna strike up conversations with people and men and women and it may come across as flirting. I don't necessarily consider myself a flirty person, but I'm definitely, I like to talk to people. And so you gotta appreciate that. It is a bit of a challenging, it can be a bit of a challenging situation. You have to be a confident person. No, it's very challenging. I think it takes a very unique woman to be okay with all that. And a very confident woman. You have to be, you can't be, and I, you know, I went through that. There's no way you could date an insecure, like a really insecure woman. Yeah, I dated a ton of them in my 20s and I saw where it all went. Imagine dating one of those women now. Yeah, which just never happened. I was something that, I mean, I learned by the time, even before 30, but as I started to get close to my 30s, I just, this is who I am. This is the type of person I am. Like a hundred percent, I'm a flirtatious person. I do communicate with women all the time. 80% of my clients are women. Like, and yes, there's times where they're inappropriate. That's just, it is what it is. And I love my job and I love doing it. And I like my personality and I'm not trying to change it for anybody, you know? So that if, I think if you can communicate that early on, and let me tell you that conversation fucking turned a lot of girls off. Like, and there's people listening right now. They're like, fuck that. I would never want to be with a guy like that. That's fine. I wasn't meant for you. You know what I'm saying? I meant for the girl that, I was meant for the woman that like, that didn't bother and that was, is secure about that because she's confident in herself. Jessica actually had a friend, I think one or two friends who tell her like, oh, I could never date Sal. I could never date him. Why? Well, because of what his job is and this and that and he's in fitness. Fuck you, man. Fuck you, man. Have they said that to her? Yeah, and always like, if you check up on him all the time and like make sure, you know, it's like, no, we don't, I don't do that to her. She doesn't do that to me. It's just not, it's not something we do. You know, I trust her, she trusts me. That's it. That's all we had to say. Yeah. And it's funny too, because it's almost like, it's counterproductive. I, when you feel, if somebody feels like they're being crowded or controlled, that may, that may make them more distant, which may make it more likely for them to, you know, to want to leave or whatever. Right, right. You know? It's that, I don't know. Anyway, it's a fun industry to be in, but I could definitely see how it's, how it can be a challenging one. Oh yeah, no. Justin, have you ever, have you ever had like, gotten that point with Courtney, where you grab her phone and you start going through all her stuff or been like that? Has she, or has she ever been that way with you? Uh, no. No, never. I think she will show it to me, or vice versa. Like I will show it to her if I feel like this weird feeling. Like, ew, like this is something that like, if she sees it on my phone, like it's like, I actually had a little bit of reserve one time because I didn't know it was like in my photos and stuff, like in videos, like, and I had this weird like old flashback of like a girlfriend that was like crazy like that, that would do that, you know, all the time would like check up on me and see who I'd been talking to and all this kind of stuff. And then I just was like, oh yeah, no. It's not like that. She just wants to like take my photos and then like bring them over to her phone to see, you know, what kind of cool pics I had. But it's like, yeah, I don't know man. We've just had basically like, I'm an open book. Like, so if you want to go through it and if I feel sometimes maybe I have flirted and you know, and I've just talked in a certain way to girls or whatever and like, but she's just like, you know, I know how you talk and interact. And so it doesn't bother her thankfully to where, but yeah, I feel bad about it, you know, it's more me. Like I'll be like, oh shit, like I feel kind of gross that, you know, I was like really like checking this girl out online, like a lot, like frequently. Like it'll pop up and like their story's first. He's like, oh, her story's first again. You know what I'm saying? Like that kind of shit. And I'm like, oh, and then I like think about, oh, I should just, you know, calm down a little bit. You know, and the reality is out of context, if you, look, if you were to able to spy on your girls and them talking with their girlfriends and you were able to listen to everything they said for a week, some point they're gonna say something's gonna make you uncomfortable and it won't be outwardly bad. This is just how people talk. So I've never cared. Like I don't. It's just how people talk. I've never, I've never ever picked up Katrina's phone and never had a desire to look at it. Knowing damn well that the environment she works in, knowing damn well that we, I have, there's male friends that have messaged her that I know damn well that want to sleep with her. I don't want to know. I don't care. You know what I'm saying? Like she's in my bed every single night. You know what I'm saying? Like she's, I come home to her every day. Like she sees me every day. Like those conversations to me, it's so small in the grand scheme of things when it comes to when you look at the big picture of the relationship that I trust her as a whole. Even if I trust her as a whole, even if small parts of conversations that would bother me or get to me, it's like that's why I don't even want to do. Why do I want to put myself in that situation to even let it fuck with me when I know it's not gonna change the relationship? The way I look at it, unless somebody's pathological, right? Because there's always a situations where there's people that are just straight up psychopaths or just sociopaths. But for most normal people, when someone gets to the point where they, if someone's doing that and they're cheating, there's been a lot of signs and signals that you ignored leading up to that. And I don't mean signs and signals of them cheating. I mean signs and signals that your relationship was not good. They're just very distant. Yeah, that you're just, you've been ignoring. I think a lot of times that's the case. I don't think every time, I'm sure there's cases where it's completely out of the blue, but many times, most times when you ask somebody, if you look back in time, were there signs that your relationship was heading in the wrong direction? I told you guys, the last relationship I was in before Katrina, it was the first female ever to cheat on me. And I was, people ask all the time, like, oh my God, were you devastated or this or that? I said, no, were you angry? And I was like, well, maybe initially, like when I first got the news, like it was heavy and it pissed me off. I think I put a hole through my door. But like literally after I kind of got that out of my system, I calmly actually called her and said, hey, come over, pick your shit up, get it out of my house and like that was it. And I was over it. And a lot of that, because from that moment on, like the punching the wall was the feeling sorry for myself part. Then the moment after that of calling her to come get her stuff and her on her way was the reflection part. What did I do in this relationship to deserve that or get that? And when I'm completely honest with myself, because most people can't, I didn't do anything to deserve this. Oh my God. I can't believe you did that. I would never do this to you. Well, you know, I was very distant. I was burying myself into work. I wasn't there emotionally. I wasn't there physically a lot of the time. Like, you know, you could tell that I was checked out in other ways. So she checked out in another way. So it's like, to me it was, I got one. You know what's funny about that? Your ability to do that probably helped you get over it a lot better than somebody who didn't do that. Like if you weren't doing that, it would be painful for a long period of time. I've never been somebody like that that when a relationship ends, where like I go through this depression for like three months or six months. Like, in fact, it's just like, it's like anything else. It's like making a mistake. It's like failing in a business. It's like anything else that we deal in life. This relationship failed. There's a part of me that owns part of that. It's, no matter what, even if she cheated, it's not all her fault because she cheated. It's like, this is a partnership. It's a relationship. I own some part of that. Where is the lesson in this? What can I learn from this? How do I- Then you can carry that forward into the next one. And then the next one, I'm gonna repeat the process. It usually died before that happened. It was something that, you know what I mean? Again, you can look back. It's like your health. When a major health issue pops up, if you look back, usually it's not out of the blue. Usually it's like, oh, well, I had years of heartburn, years of poor digestion, years of inflammation, I just didn't, I was just ignoring the signs. It's like when I got divorced, and this was a long time coming, of course, and it was mutual, it was shortly after. It was shortly after that I met Jessica and that we really fell in love with each other. And I'm like, this is gonna look bad because people are gonna think that this is the girl that I was with before I left, which it wasn't the case at all. In fact, we barely knew each other and it was, you know, I think a month after that we hung out and then I realized, oh my God, I'm having feelings for someone. And the funny thing is, is I was kind of hiding it for a little while because I knew how it would sound, especially to my ex who were trying to do this amicably. We're trying to do this mutually. And I don't want her to think I left because I met someone else because I felt like, oh, that's gonna complicate things. We share two children, this, that and the other. So I didn't tell anybody. And then I think I was with you guys when this happened. My kid, my mom went to pick up my kids from school and she grabs my son's phone or something like that and she goes, there's these weird text messages on his phone. Remember when I told you guys this? And I'm like, what? I'm like, send me the screenshot of it. And I'm thinking maybe from my phone, maybe we all connected on the, what is it called, the cloud. And maybe he uploaded some of my texts and then I got kind of worried because some of the messages that like, shit that I'll send with people is like, oh my God, inappropriate for kids, right? So she sends them to me and they're like these flirting texts and they weren't mine. So I'm like, this is fucking weird. And I'm like, keep scrolling down and tell me what's on there. Well, it was my ex. She had met someone and started dating someone shortly after as well. So that comes out and it made it a lot easier. Cause then I confronted her and I'm like, look, this came up on, you know, our son's phone. Obviously you need to be careful because, you know, luckily nothing inappropriate came through. You could tell through the texts that wasn't someone that she'd been dating for a while. You could tell it was like the beginning of something. Right, right. And again, our marriage ended a good seven to 10 years before we actually divorced. So it's not like both of us got out of a marriage and then jumped into a new relationship. We were already basically, you know, roommates for a long time anyway. So seeing that confronting with that, then it was like, cool, because now you can know about my relationship. You can't come down on me about it. Like you could share this now. Yeah, and it actually helped the process along because had she not dated anybody or had it been the flip, it would have been very easy to be not understanding. It would have been very easy to be like, you were cheating on me this entire time. Both of us are like, okay, we're both in a similar situation. So we're gonna be cool about it. And I think it kind of worked out. And we're both still dating the people that we were talking to. So it was all good. All meant to be. That's it. Check this out. We have a bunch of free guides. We have one for Flabby Arms, Flat Tummies, Hit Training Guide. We have got a couple. Cavs, legs. Cavs, legs, chest. Like how to build a chest. They're well-written guides that we could sell, but we're not, they're free. We're hooking you up. They're totally free. Go to mindpumpfree.com, get any of those guides or all of them at zero cost. Also, you can find us on Instagram. My page is Mind Pump Sal, Justin is Mind Pump Justin and Adam is Mind Pump Adam. Thank you for listening to Mind Pump. 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