 And welcome to the red man group episode 88 special edition of Mystery fun show we'll call it. So it's a damn be your host Anthony dream Johnson Donovan sharp is still setting up his new studio He's moved a couple times recently his new studio should be the most biggest and bad-ass of all But that's a mischievous getting set up. So that is what it is. We'll see Donovan again soon Today joining me on the show is of course Steve the Dean Williams at the man mind said calm and new to the show We have evolved Phil he's been in the show the patriarchs edition a few times as well as recently the live filming of the red man group episode Probably 84 85 at the 21 convention 2019 in Orlando, Florida And it was awesome having him on there having met the event and he'll be a speaker actually that coming patriarchs event The patriarch edition of the 21 convention held later this or in 2020 in the spring returning to the show we'll hear more from Phil in a second and Returning to the show the grand return of DDJ doomsday Jesus aka Bob Lewis aka miss Andrew today He's all over the place on YouTube and whatnot, and he's back to the show he's one of our favorites and You guys know from the show you guys probably seen a bunch of times now Gentlemen, thanks for joining me Thank you. Thanks for having me back obviously Fuck yeah, you haven't bugging DDJ. I'm like, yeah, dude. We're yeah, man. We're yeah, bro. We do I wanted to kind of start this office by talking with especially, you know I mean Steve are on the show all the time and Steve has his own shows as well in the red man group But I've all filmed DDJ, you know for the one reasons are kind of new to this episode So Phil can you tell us a little bit about yourself for the show the guys who don't know anything about you and what you bring to the table? So my name is Phil and What I bring to the table basically is just a perspective on I'm a big proponent of traditional family so to speak so Married been married for almost 11 years raising a daughter in this crazy culture so to speak that we all have to live in and Just Navigating that you know and figuring out ways to To keep from tripping and falling and keeping my family out of the potholes so to speak of society, you know feminism Feminist first and all that stuff, you know, I just trying to keep my daughter away from all that so Free like gluten-free exactly 100% so You know when you look at that situation right there and you you know like my daughter, she's 15 years old and The amount of influence it's constantly bombarding her, you know, so we highly limit her her social media, you know She's we've monitored everything as far as that goes because the simple fact remains that you know, it's amazing how this mainstream feminism and you know that the non-traditional ways of Being a human being, you know have a natural hair color not having Piercings all over your body not being covered in tattoos It's just constantly in their face, you know So what we do with that is, you know with keeping her social media Under control is we limit the time and then we also limit the contact and who she's actually, you know speaking with on these social media platforms Popping the chat glad to see rich back rich Cooper looks like of all film people. Yeah Well, I told you man the transition went really well. He looks like a dude That's good, but see you guys got that shit backwards Riches transition went well he looks almost like Phil like like almost like a dude. Yeah, the craziest part about that hole Let me tell you guys a story the first 21 con event I went to I met about 50 people and they're like, oh, man You're such a great guy and whatever and I'm like, well, that's nice to know but my name's Phil, man Dude, I look at you in the hallway. I remember I was like, is that rich? I'm like, oh, no It's crazy, you know, so these days you're heavily involved too with the fraternity of excellence hunter drew Texas Dom Craig James and those guys Absolutely. Absolutely. I'm in the fraternity. I've been I'm a lifer in that fraternity as a matter of fact I'm a big I'm a big supporter of hunter's work. Yeah, you know, I've seen him really Straighten a lot of men's lives out and you know, I've sponsored, you know some guys and I just I believe in what he's doing You know, he's you know, he's he's the all-american family dad. Fuck. Yeah Yeah, and you've also been through we went through on one of the red man groups I was on with you the fatherhood one you've been through a pretty nasty divorce that you very successfully navigated kind of like DDJ Here has been through a couple of those himself And that's unusual because most men as we know get hosed and divorced family court and maybe later in the show We'll get kind of the brief overcap of that Sure, I'm gonna have been nothing. You know, I don't hear you talk about too much But you've been an entrepreneur for a long time in your life and you've kicked ass with that I have all your hats the full the foster construction stuff and all that I always get more from every time I go to the convention that's right So basically, yeah, I've been in business since 92, you know I've run two construction companies both very successful and I'm actually gonna branch off into some other Areas that's why the actual the structure is I've renamed the structure in this coming year 2020 You know, we're gonna slowly migrate away from the construction industry and into some other fields You know fitness nutrition, we're gonna work on possibly doing some Some supplement design and whatnot. So we're gonna see how that plays out, but absolutely I'm a I'm a big proponent of working for yourself as much as possible. Yeah, it's very back to an endeavor man 100% absolutely DDJ, let's get you in here man. You've been out for I'm gonna have the convention That was a whole fucking thing and then you've just been doing your own stuff on Colorado Tell us what you've had going on for the show All right, well, I'll tell you what I'm about to monologue. So here we go There's a lot of information to share. So While I was out here in Colorado one of the main things I've been doing is I've been focusing on kind of analyzing the Colorado legal system trying to figure out how I can best Make a positive masculine impact on the legal system and in the process of doing that I've involved myself in somewhere between about six and ten different particular legal issues which I'll get to in a second and The reason I'm gonna do that is because I want to switch gears a little bit and talk about my case against Google So as everybody knows Google and YouTube Have recently changed the terms of service that already take effect on December 10th and one of the main terms of service that they're trying to change is That they want to make it so that they can basically ban accounts with no strikes For being what they refer to is not commercially viable now that term Commercial viability is not defined in the terms of service. So one of the things that we are working on is Addressing that so recently we recently we contacted Google and YouTube through their attorney and we basically told them I said look We're deeply concerned about this and we think at some level that it's kind of retaliatory from my lawsuit against them So we might end up filing either a preliminary injunction or a temporary restraining order to prevent Google from Implementing that new terms of service because if they're allowed to implement it You're gonna see hundreds of thousands of channels go away off of YouTube overnight and Maybe like Molly news never been in the partner program. He's just hogging up bandwidth for them I think is what they might try to label it as which is bull shit Right, but but it's not just Mullanew. It's it sticks hex and hammer. It's Steven Crowder There's a lot of different people a lot of big voices that are gonna be negatively impacted by this So this is gonna be a huge sort of endeavor And I think that if we're allowed to do the temporary restraining order We're allowed to bring forward that preliminary injunction and say look you can't do this This is this is unconscionable and it's unethical and more importantly It violates your your contract that you have with your content creators who by the way are responsible for your success Yeah, if we're able to do that that's gonna be a huge win for everybody who uses this platform myself included Now why why is this gonna work at all? I mean you're just like a you're a paralegal you're out in Colorado like you're not in California for the guys I don't know anything about the legal system like why is this important? Why is it gonna have a potential serious impact on YouTube? One of the main reasons it's gonna have an impact and that's kind of a I mean even though that seems like a Somewhat complex question. There's a very verbose but necessary answer to that and really what it is is that? Anybody who uses social media? That's how we communicate today You know, we use Facebook we use Twitter we use gab we use minds we use bit shoot We use YouTube and we use those things to connect us to one another and it's not just strangers across the country or across the world We use these things to connect ourselves to our family We use these things to connect ourselves to our employers our co-workers and as well as our politicians so one of the things that's extremely important here is that when social media platforms are trying to shut down voices that They have promised us that they wouldn't do That's that's really unconscionable because even Google in Google's own internal documents They've said that social media big big tech in other words Facebook Twitter and YouTube specifically as well as Google They control online voices. They determine who gets seen and who doesn't and there's a lot of drama That is there when they shut these these voices down and so what they're trying to do is they're trying to prevent Everything that's going on as far as this masculine renaissance the MAGA 2020 movement, you know This fight against the deep state now that they've admitted Doesn't fit in the mainstream narrative basically that doesn't fit their approved opinion bullshit Exactly and one of the main thrusts of my lawsuit is that Google and YouTube have never told their content creators and have never disclosed to their users That they will be censored on behalf of foreign governments so if you're a United States citizen if you reside on US soil and For whatever reason Google and YouTube censor you for hate speech They're violating your civil rights in part because they're doing it on behalf of foreign governments They're doing it on behalf of the European Union. They're doing it on behalf of the People's Republic of China They're doing it on behalf of all these different countries that don't have free speech Protections now. I do see in the Graham Milt Miller from the chat He said that they should be considered a utility actually I discussed this in one of my video one of my videos a while ago And I specifically said that if you grant utility status to big tech What you're doing is you're giving them a monopoly and once you've given them a monopoly You've given them everything they want basically what you've done is you've confirmed that they are a legal monopoly No, what we need to do is we need to hold big tech accountable Well right now they kind of have a de facto monopoly, don't they? I mean it's almost Yeah, well, it's they do but part of the reason that they do is because if you look at the Google website And you look at the YouTube website what they've done in the last five to ten years is they have started to Control everybody else so they have a news outreach for example a trusted news outreach Where they partner with major news agencies to control what's published? They have paid academics for over 400 Pro Google articles over the last five or ten years to try to make it appear is as though academia supports them when really They're just being paid off pimps in addition to that they partner with a variety of non-profit organizations where they not only fund these organizations, but they actually Dispatch Google employees full-time employees that Google pays for To these organizations to work inside these organizations to control their policy from inside to manipulate policy The communists used to call this entry is and what it was created by Trotsky back in the 1920s and 30s Which is exactly what big tech and corporate tech is doing today. We see them partnering with foreign governments We see them partnering with Socialist parties with socialist outreach organizations and all of these are propaganda engines to Basically transform the United States into a socialist country and destroy our constitution now I know that that seems a bit hyperbolic But that is the reality of the situation the United States is the only country in the world that has anything like our United States Constitution and our bill of rights. We have a right to bear arms We have a right to freedom of speech. We have a right to do process and so now you're seeing all these Exactly in a right to assemble and a right to affiliate So all those are are Encapsulated many of those things are encapsulated on the First Amendment with the exception of of course our due process and our gun rights but the most important pieces is that Google and big tech are leading the charge on behalf these foreign governments to destroy these rights and to minimize these rights so The reason I bring all this up is because we've notified Google's attorneys that look if you're going to Continue to implement this and you don't withdraw it. We are filing a preliminary injunction now They're probably going to ignore it But what's interesting is is that we've got some pretty good legal basis to do it There's an opportunity to do it and frankly We don't really care what the trial court says our goal is to get to the court of appeals And the reason we want to get to the court of appeals is so that we can try to make case law if we can get to This is my my question was kind of heading this direction because the average person I think hearing this especially at least that follows us is going to like what you're saying But what comes to mind is like YouTube and Google are both billion dollar companies and they have enormous, you know legal teams and power Like why are you able to make headway with this? Well, yeah, let me address that. Yeah, and let me address that So you would think that that Google and YouTube Google I think they have like an entire building of attorneys that that's under the direct employment of Google They have an entire legal department for some reason when we filed this case They did not use their legal department to fight us. They actually hired an outside attorney To to deal with us who had an office in I want to say Denver or Boulder or something But what was interesting about it is is that When we filed our complaint They actually needed close to 60 days to respond instead of the normal 20 and that tells me a couple things That tells me that even though they had this huge amount of attorneys in this office complex in Mountain View None of these people were gamed the type of arguments I'm bringing to the table If you look at the Prager you lawsuit or you look at the Laura Loomer lawsuit or you look at any other lawsuit That's been filed by anybody who creates content on youtube like myself or red band group or anybody else No one is ever attempted to sue them on the basis of fraudulent contract In fact when Prager you went to the ninth circuit court of appeals one of the appeal appellate judges She said in 10 minutes into their 40 minute argument She said why didn't you sue them for breach a contractor? Why didn't you sue them for violating their contractual terms? And and Prager's attorney had no answer and the same thing is true with laura loomer. She went halfway there. She said look Google and youtuber places a public accommodation As defined by packingham versus north carolina, which is a 2017 supreme court decision However The problem was she didn't take it far enough and she didn't attack the terms of service and more importantly And this is something that no one has done is that i'm attacking the constitutionality of section 230 of the communications decency act and the reason that this is Important is because if we don't have our freedom of speech rights online We can't speak to any of these issues So if anybody is sitting here and they want to discuss masculinity If they want to discuss the problem with feminism if they want to discuss pro family Or they want to discuss specific dating strategies. Well, congratulations. That doesn't fit the socialist narrative and you're going to be censored That's why this lawsuit is important. You don't necessarily have to agree with me as a man going his own way In fact, you could vehemently disagree with me. You could be on the left. You can be on the right But if you don't toe toe The the big tech communist line You will be censored anybody to the right of Stalin is going to be censored and that's not I'm serious. That's not hyperbolic No, I think guys guys like Dave Rubin or example of even uh, you know People who are former liberals or whatever waking up to that stuff that anyone to the right of Stalin is like all of a sudden The devil basically Right and that's and that's my point. I mean you look at sargon of akkad. He's a center leftist He's a free speech advocate, but he's a center leftist. You look at Tim pool Tim pool is the same thing. These people are to the right of Stalin So therefore they have to be censored if you look at uh, Stefan Molyneux while he's a conservative in some things. He's very liberal and many others because he's from kanuka stand So i'm just saying, you know I mean, well, that's what can it is right? I mean canada finances terrorists They've got a tranny for president or prime minister or whatever they call that bitch Okay, like they've got all these issues here and it's like, you know I mean, there's a reason the united states is the leader of the free world when it comes to free speech There's a reason the united states is a leader of the free world when it comes to innovation and it's because we don't molly coddle Cucks, we just don't do it. That's not that's not where we've been. That's not the history of our country So with that said if you don't have a right to freedom of speech There is no conversation to be had about masculinity and let me tell you something This deep platforming has been taken off Of the internet and it's now impacting the real world We are seeing organizations Getting their events canceled because these marxists communist leftists Are crying to the vendors to the people who are holding the you know, hosting the events do people think with the convention that I hide the venue because of uh Whatever whatever bullshit they want to cook up But really it's just to avoid the venue getting harassed by these assholes That would call them and scream misogyny or whatever the fuck they want to yell at us about all this bullshit And the reality is that at the end of the day, I give the hotel managers the hats and shit They're all about it, man I give them the pink ones the red ones the black ones like whatever the fuck right But no, I only knew in particular really has gotten harassed and he's had speaking events canceled because of bomb threats and serious shit Right And that's why would the 21 convention have to like hide that shit until the last minute in which case it's like You know it is what it is Right, but I think I think that when we talk about that too I mean you're also seeing people like an colter mike sernovich Many people on the far right and and even even center right you're seeing a lot of their events in the real world cancelled You're seeing these people getting harassed in real life And the reason that they're that this is happening is because these socialists do not have any valid arguments In the marketplace of ideas to counter the message that these people are sending the message that we're sending Individually and collectively and so they have to use censorship They have to shut down anything that disagrees with their false bigoted narrative and and that's a reality So that this is why this lawsuit is extremely important And it's interesting because all the people that normally talk about free speech and everything else You notice how not a single one of them has talked about my lawsuit You notice how not a single one of them has actually discussed it I mean if the lawsuit didn't have any credibility At least people would like troll me or lambast me or something But but they didn't do any of that. I mean and the reason is is because the lawsuit is serious There's been an entire media blackout on the lawsuit and people are totally scared of it because i'm challenging section 230 Decency act anyone studios got your back bro Potter oh, yeah, and you always have I mean that's the thing you guys have always had my back even where we disagree And you know there's there's been a few people who have definitely supported it So i'm saying that that when it comes to that lawsuit this this free speech issues a huge issue Now let me explain Number one why i've been gone for a while number two This is a perfect example of why free speech is important So i'm in colorado and i've been in colorado now since uh, I don't know february march for the most part and One of the things that that i've noticed here in colorado is Their elections are very interesting So when they they do an election for city council or they do an election for Governor or for state senator or for state rep. They actually have a traditional rep a traditional election However When it comes to their judges they don't hold elections and i'm i think this might be unconstitutional Under their own constitution as well as under the federal constitution So their judges They want they're appointed by the governor which which that happens in many states But once they're in office an election time comes up All they do Is say Do you want to keep this person or do you want them to go away? They don't run against everybody so like say if if if if anthony was a judge In colorado and i wanted to run against him. I can't launch a campaign to run against anthony because they don't allow it That's very socialist. It's very communist now the other reason that That it's very odd in colorado is because their magistrates which in washington state They call them commissioners in other states. They call them referees. They're they're like a they're not really a judge. They're like a Like a judge with lesser power and you can usually appeal Their rulings to a judge if you don't like what they have to say Before you take it to the court of appeals like a traditional court case in colorado You're not allowed to appeal a magistrate ruling Until the magistrate is done fucking you And no and i'm serious. So if a magistrate with like retained jurisdiction, there's no way to appeal There's no there's no due process right to appeal They they can hold you for 18 months or two years or whatever now the reason I bring this up is because i'm working with One of the guys on the cash and prizes team and he found out that Yeah, we had a question about that earlier in the chat Right and that and that's why I wanted to bring this full circle. He um He had his son physically abused by mom and mom's new husband And we went to court to protect the child And the court went off the record made a bunch of rulings off the record in chambers And never recorded any of them violating this man's due process rights And preventing him from protecting his child And this is a child where this is not a situation Where this child was just making allegations and it was like dad's opinion This child was making disclosures to his school. The child was making disclosures to medical professionals The child made disclosures to a forensic psychologist There's at least half a dozen well documented disclosures. They even made disclosures to child protective services Now the reason freedom of speech is so important in colorado is because the mom Not only works for an illegal immigration agency She in her capacity there. She's a director and she is a major dv queen in the denver colorado area And she's been doing this for 10 or 15 years and she's been going out and and crucifying men And she's a child abuse perpetrator And so she works for this. Yeah, and she works for this extremely well connected Illegal immigration advocacy firm who basically they're human traffickers of illegal aliens into our country And what she does is she backdoors these people into the country through false allegations of domestic violence within the family court Because she's a dv queen And she's the abuser So they're doing everything in their power right now To protect this child abuse perpetrator because she's a dv queen attorney And this is the fight that we're having so we've had to go after the school district for civil rights violations We had to file a civil rights Complaint with the department of justice in the united in in washington dc We see child protective services circle the wagon They assign an investigator who actually was friends with mom Which created a conflict of interest and the investigator even documented the friendship with with with the perpetrator As well as the child's disclosures and then tried to say oh, this is unfounded And then on top of that There's a police investigation And the police haven't even assigned it to a detective yet even though there's half a dozen credible disclosures And again, this is to protect this illegal immigrant trafficker Who works for a 501 c3 a democrat organization who is a dv queen attorney They're circling the waggles around here because of the corruption and we've had Uh, we've had two we've had two magistrates So far withdraw from the case We're making a motion to recuse the judge because the judge has a relationship as well. This is all a very incestuous Very nepotistic very corrupt system. And so as a result We're looking at multiple federal lawsuits We're looking at taking this to the court of appeals and we're looking at doing a full court press And the thing is is that colorado's never seen anything like the case we're fighting They've never seen it and and the issue is is that I mean, not only is this person working on the cash and prizes team is a very important individual But as far as the father is concerned But on the same token If this guy's going through it, how many other fathers are in the colorado area who just get completely fucked by a magistrate? Like they tried to fuck this guy And and and hammer him on it now now just so we're clear too Before this happened they were on a 50 50 custody arrangement with joint decision making down the line The problem that you have though is is it now what's happening? Is that the director of the of the illegal immigration trafficking organization has now become The perpetrator's attorney And we're concerned because of the 501c3 status of the organization That basically they're illegally using charitable funds for the personal benefit of a child abuse perpetrator So this is a huge huge issue and and this is another example of how when men go through divorce How the system is stacked against them now I can't necessarily say that's the case in a lot of red states But I know it's the case from personal experience in the state of new york in the state of washington in the state of Oregon in state of california and now the state of colorado So i've been offline Buried in legal work buried in legal research looking up things on lexus nexus Which is the legal research engine you can subscribe to working with multiple attorneys On all of these cases that are related to this and the civil rights issues that are there because fathers need to be protected Children need to be protected and the thing is is if you're a legitimate child abuse perpetrator I don't give a shit if you're male or female you're fucking garbage of the earth And and and at the end of the day you have to be able To defend these men and the thing that that helps us and again this goes back to my conversation about google The thing that helps us the only reason that we're able to wage this fight And and and carry the long term fight the only two reasons one is that the biological father Has the financial horsepower to fund everything we're doing but the second reason and more importantly Is that we have the constitution on our side We have the colorado constitution We have this the the federal constitution because the due process protections that are there They protect every american regardless and when you see due process violations You see constitutional violations in family court You have to address them and when you do that's how things change You know i was actively practicing as a paralegal in washington state When troxel v grandville from the united states supreme court came down in 2000 and it changed the way People treated parents it told everybody that look parents have a 14th amendment constitutional right to parent their children Not only free from government interference, but free from interference from any unnecessary third party That's a super super powerful and that came from family court now today It's an uphill fight and it's uphill fight because the judiciary system is an echo chamber in denver because there's no legitimate elections And it's an uphill fight because most of the newspaper outlets in the denver area They're they're leftist so they're not they're never going to publish Uh the truth about a prominent dv queen who happens to be a child abuse perpetrator Well since 2000 the culture has also gone increasingly clown clown world like off a cliff right i mean in 2000 I remember being a kid then and that was like pre 9 11 pre patriot act I mean the america was a fundamentally different place even though that was what 19 years ago Right, so it's yeah shit's gotten wild man. I think that's gonna a lot of it's gonna taper out though I mean the internet has really amplified and expanded a lot of voices for better and for worse So let's see what I think that yeah, and I think that as as what what's happening right now in a fight for free speech Is that every time these leftist big tech organizations every time these leftist socialist news outlets Try to censor deep platform or conceal Leftist corruption You're seeing free speech outlets be created. I mean gab you see mines. You see bit shoot You see I think it's called band video There's a lot of different people who are creating platforms and creating places where we can get the news If you look at like the liberty daily, which is the new drudge report There's a lot of options now for people who want legitimate conservative news Even the the donald on red. It's about to get banned. So they made their own website now the donald dot win and it's Right place powerful site Exactly and and and so now it's the advantage of these types of things is is it now people who didn't don't have voices anymore They now have voices again And these are options for people who actually want legitimate news as opposed to the fox news rhino broadcast and and actually The the one person says gram gram miller says colorado swung to the left It's actually that they the the thing about the mail-in ballot is that the mail-in ballot has been linked not only to reduce voter participation but it's been linked to voter fraud and unlike the 2016 election where they were trying to find Instances of voter fraud because the democrats were pretty corrupt in this election cycle so far They found hundreds of thousands of illegals voting In texas in colorado in florida in all these different places in these in some of these battleground areas Because the left is desperate to push this and you'll find that most of these The auditors who do the the voter counting. They're all card carrying leftists You got to get these people out of office and frankly We need to we need a new macartheism to protect our country and to protect our constitution So with that said my monologue is over now. Everybody knows where I've been But I'll be making videos again next week. Yeah, fuck. Yeah, man. Looking forward to it. Yeah I haven't seen anything meal on this andry today in a little while, but I haven't checked in. I'll check it out Fuck. Yeah, steve. Let's get you on man. Let's get back down to some more practical advice for the men Uh, which how's it going man? How's the show's been going? I've been super busy myself. I'm barely able to tune in I've been tweeting him though. Yeah, same old saying man kicking it off Yeah, especially yeah, man And special going on just same old saying brother Yeah, donovan's been back with you, uh, probably till recently with his move, right? Yeah, yeah, right his move Yeah, we didn't do a show last night. But yeah, we were when he gets back on we'll be kicking it off Yeah, fuck. Yeah. Yeah, the one red line you guys did that the week together was dope That's sad. We've seen you guys together. It was really great, man. You guys are bash brothers, man I mean, we need a white chocolate back team man. Where's Bruno at man? We gotta get him back I don't even know where white chocolate is. I gotta check him. He's around, man So guys, you have the topic I wanted to dig into today Uh, completely unrelated to free speech. I think in lawsuits and all these other things is sugar babies I don't know who've ever addressed sugar babies on the show before in Any kind of series detail But I'm interested to talk about it from a number of different perspectives cultural impact impact on family Impact on the future impact on men. I think there's a lot to it One of the reasons in my mind is a few weeks ago I got into my head to recreate a sugar baby account or sugar daddy account again Which every I do about once a year because it's so fucking expensive. It's like a hundred bucks a month almost It's crazy So I'm like fuck this bullshit and then like a year later I'll just buy it again and a little bag a bunch of sugar babies off it and it's fucking great um, I don't feel like um, uh You know, it's funny because when I do it I always feel like a mean a bunch of candy Like a bunch of like halloween, you know, I mean like eat too much candy and then you kind of feel like That's really what it's like man. You do it so much these girls I mean, so for example sugar baby sites versus other online dating apps and services and stuff The girls tend to be by far the hottest But they're also the biggest hose And then the other ones you kind of get derivatives of that, you know different variations of those elements But consistently they're the biggest hose and the hottest girls And that's why they're on there. They're charging for the sexuality everything everything is extremely transactional Most of them are very manipulative some of them. I think there's an element of honesty with it I mean, they're very upfront. They want money to fuck, right? Or whatever the fuck they're going to do In my case, though, I don't I don't pay them So there's a whole book on this too called salty that one of old attendees wrote you can get on amazon. It's fucking great And there's actually a lot of guys do this like me. They figured this out and uh, not a lot But there's definitely guys like me on there that are young And you can put your net worth at like 20 million dollars if you want and these girls believe it like it's nuts All kinds of stupid shit shenanigans happen on these sites But the sugar baby phenomenon itself. I think the more I've been doing it and banging these girls. I'm just like You know prostitution essentially is what these girls are Even you don't pay them in my case But the other dudes they meet up with they're these dudes are fucking paying them cash And there's news articles on this shit and it's it's especially in Orlando. It's huge Orlando is the the first or second biggest city for it in america Constantly it goes back and forth with Atlanta, georgia. I think because the universities are so big And it's just nuts, man Like how long or how it's with the rise of the internet, you know and feminism along with it We've seen basically soft prostitution become normalized for Hundreds of thousands of american women Like I can't I can't imagine in the 90s. It was anywhere this easy to find a prostitute Now you can find them all fucking day long. They're 20 years old They're in college studying whatever the fuck and they're out second dick for fucking 300 bucks a pop Uh, it it's it's fucking wild or whatever even less or more or whatever they do So I kind of wanted to go around table and see what you guys thought about this whole phenomenon from whatever angle you wanted to take it I mean, I'm having fun with it and that's unusual But you know, it's fun. I'm gonna do what I'm gonna do And I know from my perspective too people would accuse me maybe of being contributing to this phenomenon's degeneracy But the way I see this girls are gonna do it no matter what and I'm like, you know If they already fucked 45 45 guys Being number 46 is not Is not my responsibility on them or I mean that specific one is on me, but the previous 45 or not So anybody wants to kind of hop on that and give some thoughts on sugar dating and what do you think how it's affecting culture and affecting men I'm all yours about it and I'm pretty familiar with it myself Well, I'm fine with it. I like it I I'm gonna tell you why I'm fine with it and one thing I always try to the guys out there that It's that's how the that's how the world has to be there has to be those That get it for free and those that pay to keep the economy going They just you just have to decide which street you're on Uh, this has had prostitution has been always been going on Guys have always been buying dinners buying these women drinks and things like that. So One can't get mad at a woman because I always say Women hunt guys down too. And that's what guys don't understand Guys think that women are sugar and spice and everything nice But they are really cold and calculated about what they want to do They can get money from a guy without giving anything up after a while because Most of these guys put all their emotions in this game And if a woman realizes that you're putting your emotions in there like she is she's going to control the uh the chess board So I'm fine with it because we tell our guys and teach our guys not to give anything but dick and bubblegum You know, you know, I mean But uh, but the economy has to see with a lot of young men to understand the economy has to keep going And it is up to a certain amount of people to put money into that economy while others feed off of it, man Yeah, I wanted to add to that too. I mentioned that I bang these tricks So I actually have a very specific kind of sales funnel. I have to take these girls through Uh, the first one is that I have to when I do it I have to lead in sexual like super hardcore because they are so you're so far You're in your in your life or in their life. You're just in a sales funnel for them All these girls I see pretty much at the the bars in Orlando. I literally spot them like from their profile That's not a lot of them, but I see them consistently like that And you definitely see them on bumble and on tender and these are the dating apps So they have all these apps on their phone and these apps are really just sales funnel for them to trade sexuality for Dick alpha seed beta bucks. Also, they're bullshit. It's really amazing to see it in real time like that And how fucking explicit is it's a real red pill. It's an eye-opening experience. Didn't see that today But also when I say I bang these girls for free There's only a certain category of them that I can really bang for free and the other ones and what that is is the girl I look for girls on there that you can see when they made their account So I think it's kind of interesting for the guys watching you ever want to do this It's it's worth trying to take a life at some point is bang sugar babies for free. It's fun sport But basically only the girls will bang you for free if they're new on the site So I look for ones that have been on there for six months or less And if I see they have an account from like 2018 or 2017 or whatever these girls are pros Or maybe they're not pros. Maybe they're not like full-time, but they've done it for too long. They fucked too many guys They've been through too much bullshit They're not going to fall for it They've had too many guys maybe not even like me But just guys flake on them and be fucking like legit assholes to the point of absurdity There are all kinds of screwy bullshit. They go through guys, you know stupid shit So I'm looking for girls on there that are young that are new to it and that are not like Absolute fucking predator pros to suck money out of guys because the girls have been on there for a while Especially the girls who are also strippers and shit like that. They're fucking pros And there's no point even fucking with them because other than studying sometimes I fuck with them to study the sales process It's amazing that the funnels they go through with these guys They have a whole like sales process They go through bringing guys to like to meet in public for safety and shit and like pancakes and shit and like It's fucking weird what they do. It's it's really amazing, man. It's fucked up But it's it's part of reality though. So I think it's fun to study I just want to there's um, there's a move with jennifer lopez called The hustle I think it is. Yeah very good movie to watch for any guy out there to see How women play the game because right do it, man Right, let me let me let me kind of add my my big towel perspective So here's the thing women Always have been The predators they always have been okay, so this idea that I mean, yeah men will hunt But women will give the sign that they're available and and so the women are like the venus fly trap, right? So the flies run around looking for something and then the woman will be like, yeah, I'll snatch that up And there it is. So so women often will control the sexual market value the sexual marketplace With what they do and what they say and so when you're when you're talking about like the sugar baby thing Here's a little fact that most people don't know Like 10% I think it's like 5 to 10 percent of almost all the Of almost all the sugar babies that are in the united states They're in the fucking top tier colleges So the number one colleges in the state 10 percent of those of those college women are specifically sugar babies Now that doesn't include the strippers That doesn't include the escorts that doesn't include the these are the sugar babies So the what what you're seeing is is that while marriage starts as continuing to fail and while family values are continuing to fail You're seeing this massive rise In prostitution and really this what sugar babies are their it's prostitution refrained And and before sugar babies took off. I remember five six years ago There were secret facebook groups on how to be a dinner whore how to be an escort how to be a prostitute And and the reality is is that um, I just read a study the other day that said that between 60 and 70 of all sex traffickers are women So it's not This idea of all these men who were there. It's the fact that the this this is a a market That has been for a long time driven by women And the thing about it is is that I agree it's not going away And and you know until we see some fundamental shifts In in how things are but from my perspective, I guess my concern is is twofold One of them is is the std issue Which you know, obviously the number one way to avoid it is to don't be there But you know for those of us who are sexually active, you know, you got to hit it And you got to take the chance sometime and the second thing is Is the false accusations that happened when they find out that you know Or or they get upset at you for some reason because because you know as well as I do I mean I have I've banged strippers, you know, and I've banged women that are superpower thoughts And you know, and I'm not chat. I'm just like a regular guy But what happens is is it when they get upset at you they get hella spiteful And and especially if you dip out You like say when the honeymoon phase ends and you stay around till the honeymoon phase ends and they and they flip the script on you And now it's a fucking problem So I always try to get to the point where the honeymoon phase is at the peak and then i'm gone But you yeah, and I agree With steve completely that you should never pay a dime for these women You know because because under the right circumstances You know, they're all available for free so This idea that you know, I mean let me let me add in there Literally they're out banging dudes for free on tender and a little bit bumble But tender and these are the things isn't at bars, but then they go in seeking arrangement and it's all cash cash cash cash cash So yeah, they they definitely bang for free and it's just that's what i'm doing as i'm kind of hacking that system That's what the book b rob road called salty. That's what it talks about is you basically does kind of You're building a wedge in their head and then you're going into the direction you want other than the funnel They want to put you into of cash Correct, and they want to they want to fuck hot guys anyway, so if you have game and you're put together I mean these girls meet me and they're always blown away, you know Just fucking you know chad dream thundercock like hey, bitch. What's up? And they're not expecting that because most of the guys that meet on there are old and fat and just gross Uh, it is what it is and then me i'm like hey, i'm worth, you know a billion dollars and i'm 31 Ha ha ha and they just it is believe i don't say a billion, but they just believe anything you tell them It's fucking it's fucking sir. Yeah. Well, yeah, and that's that's the point right? I mean the point is is that is that you know the easiest person to con is a liar so You know and and and the thing about it is is what these guys don't understand is is it Listen these sugar babies that are banging all these different dudes They're graduating college and their cosplaying is conservatives and then they're turning around going wife me up Wife me up thought lives matter life me up Some of these girls are not even just studying stupid bullshit and I mean some of them run on college A lot of them are and not all of them are studying stupid bullshit. They don't study some of them are like nursing teachers What kinds of shit these girls are gonna go out and be fourth grade teachers in a couple years To all these little kids and shit meanwhile They basically spent their college years being hookers and they don't like to call it that but I mean Let me say this too before we get let's get to fill in here So I've seen the sugar dating field evolve since 27 2016 late 2016 one of our fitness speakers actually told me about it And I was very skeptical. I'm like, what is this bullshit? Like, why would I do this? I can just go bang girls anyway at like tendering bars and stuff And he convinced me to give it a shot and I was blown away at how fucking how awesome how hot the chicks were and how easy it was But I have seen it evolve since then and back then You saw a mixture of like girls wanting literally pay for a meat like escorting And then you saw a mixture of like they want they actually wanted a I guess you'd call it Hysterically a traditional sugar daddy relationship where you pay for like a phone bill or like a car bill or some bullshit, right? Or the rent or something But now these girls are all just pay for meat. It's it's just devolved into this degenerate Absolute literal prostitution thing. It's not even soft prostitution. It's just prostitution at this point And most of them don't even they'll say they want these traditional things. They don't they don't care about that stuff They just want the cash Anyway, let's get let's get fill in here and get back on Yeah, I was just gonna circle back around you guys already touched on it a little bit. It's it's exactly right You know these ladies, you know, they're they're taking They're higher level students in college and whatnot, but the big thing for me is is You know in the 90s early 90s 80s You know the internet there was really no internet So, you know as far as you get uh finding women like that, you know, it was very very difficult You couldn't just go out like you can today and jump on jump on a piece of ass and Do what anthony's doing and either trick them or Yourself or you're getting tricked by them, you know, it's a big thing is is just recognizing the game You know and the big thing for me is, you know, how is it affecting cultures? You know, these high body counts these women that are Doing this now, you know In 10 years, what you know, they got a thousand cock stare going on, you know, and they're trying to pair bomb with somebody and it's just That's just not not gonna work. You know, you get this damaged good situation so you get all these nice guys that are trying to You know get with these women and basically what happens is is, you know, they get in this vicious circle of oh, man You know, I've got this great girl here. Let me provide provide provide And she's so fucking damaged. She's so fucking smoked out between her legs That she can't pair bond. She can't fucking raise a family normally because You know, she has just been run through the motherfucking ringer, you know, and personally, I think that uh you know as Raising a daughter, you know, I'm extremely concerned, you know, as far as you know, that goes with when she graduates high school And she moves off to college and it's the girlfriends Well, look at sugar baby university. I pulled this up and so it's directly relevant to what you're talking about So seeking arrangement is I think the oldest or one of the oldest and certainly the most popular sugar dating site in the world I mean, it's huge. It's available in like all these languages. It's got millions of users And they actively promote sugar baby university as a method. It's just like a brand, I guess, but it's a method for uh Forgetting these girls to literally they're encouraging these girls to these students these student female students to pay off their student loan debt For mostly bullshit degrees and whatever random bullshit they pick I mean, it's it's literally encouraging girls to be prostitutes to pay off Like I see that I see that just super explicit like Yeah, and let me and let me give a let me give a bitter red pill for everybody in the audience including you phil yo All right, so before sugar babies came out. I like I've done lots of family law In you know from from the mid 90s till now, okay I've seen just about every completely fucked up case you could see that's I mean all I do is focus on the super high conflict ones So here's the thing. I knew a guy who He lived in a 6,000 square foot house. He lived in Sammamish. He had a boat. He had a couple kids and He had a divorce and it was a friendly divorce. It was a very a very amicable divorce. There was no divorce rape going on and what ended up happening was that uh He couldn't account for some some of the time that his daughter was not there. They went to church. This was a christian family Uh, and he but he couldn't account for certain time the daughter would go spend time You know, he'll spend the night with a girl girl friends at their house and that kind of thing and then one day he was looking at her phone for something and There was a video of her on her phone taken by her friends and she was probably 14 and she was getting spit roasted okay And and he's like what the fuck and he was he was destroyed by it and again Her friends were all like, oh we're conservative. We go to church. They went to youth group They did the whole fucking thing But then on the down low these women are being and these girls are being indoctrinated at 12 13 14 years old And they're doing this shit. Well, this was before this was before these sugar baby sites This was before all of this what they were doing is these older girls were teaching these younger girls To go to the mall and to go to these shopping centers and troll for these older guys I mean these what these guys were doing constituted child abuse It's it's illegal in many of these places But it didn't it didn't slow these women down and in these girls down In any way and the sad part about it is is that there's so much negative messaging out there and it's not just The traditional in the traditional places. We think it is it's now in the churches. Thanks to feminist entryism It's now in the conservative mindset I mean when when these sugar babies hit the wall When they realize that their sexual market value is going down this is not this is not is not only true with sugar babies It's true with Hypergamous divorcees. It's true with prostitutes and escorts and everybody else They go to these churches specifically To wife up some guy to take care of them while everything goes down and I agree with you 100 percent That once the woman's notch count gets to a certain point She can no longer pair bond with a man and then why what what makes her crazy is Is that she's trying to pair bond with the men that she's sleeping with and she can't do it And then she doesn't understand she doesn't understand why this isn't working Even though this is what she wants to do and it's like look they've done the studies There was a study in fred hutch cancer research center in seattle Where and ruche talked about this many years ago. I've read the study and it shows that women basically Have sperm in their dna Even if they don't have sons because the common belief was was that the male dna gets transferred To the woman it gets stuck in their brain actually Correct me. That's weird man. They're still doing research on it. It looks like that's what's going to end up being Well in the case Yeah, and the issue is that once they figured this out they actually quit the research They shut it down Once they had the findings because these women they had no male sons So the dna wasn't transferred via utero And and they had never been and some of these women had never been pregnant But they still had male dna incorporated in their system. Well One of the things ruche talked about back in the day before he got the godpill Was that the dna is being transferred through sex and interestingly enough, that's exactly what the study said They said that's one of the methods it got transferred in Is that the basically these women are incorporating the male dna Well, and if I can pause your ddj what that sounds like to me from an evolutionary basis is to help pair bonding Stick long term the issue is of course, they're just being promiscuous hose left like endlessly So it ends up being clusterfucking the head Yeah, I mean or if there's a genetic cause for the thousandpox there it sounds like what's being That's what i'm saying. That's about it. There it is. You're in their head. Yeah, they're in their head literally forever Well, they're not yeah, they're not only literally forever. This is also probably what creates the alpha widow syndrome Exactly and on top of that. It's one of those scenarios where You know these women they can't pair bond because again, they're get yeah, exactly What do you need to understand microcontamirism? Yeah, it's co-founding factors It's the emotional experience of getting absolutely, you know Dick slammed in your soul and then on top of that the the biologic elements of the sperm getting stuck The dna getting stuck in their fucking brain. That's a double whammy and like I don't know if I have any empathy for them, but it's understandable why they're getting alpha widowed and they're endlessly fucked up Well, the sympathy We got steve in there for steve That's their name. Well, we got a okay, you know me. I'm all about keeping things for what is and not what could be We got a we got to realize something You know, we always say the preacher's daughter is the whore the one is the horse The dirtiest one of them all anyway See what a lot of guys don't realize is it has to be about the child the daughter being grounded in herself because What a lot of people don't understand is I always tell my guys we get a new batch of women every year every year We get a new batch fresh out of the box Girls that are legal that are of age But what you got to look at is that these of age girls have been hailed down by mommy and daddy They have curfews and they have rules They are finally getting out into the world where the number one they let their hair down They have no curfews and they can do whatever they want to do And the fact that they've they've been dating high school boys who have no idea to touch her Emotionally mentally physically and in all these things so you take all those combinations of things They're going to want to express themselves. I mean see we we we got to be we got to be balanced here Because just like us we want to go out there and smash everything out there as well They would have that to we're we're brought here at the end of the day if you turn the lights out to procreate Now i'm not saying what they're doing is right. I'm just saying what is They just want to have sex. They love sex like we love sex But for the one that is found that is, you know, i'm not saying every woman is a slut I'm not saying that but all women want to venture out as soon as they leave mommy and daddy's house of rules And all that other stuff. I think every woman has the capacity to be as slow for certain for certain Yeah, i've been saying that for years. Yeah. Yeah, I think men have been saying that for probably thousands of years I think we're not the first ones to figure that out But the sugar daddy site It's the combination of the technology and communication And then the collapse of any kind of gender roles traditionalism Any sense of common sense and dignity that they're just abandoning I mean these girls they'll sell their soul for fucking 200 bucks or even less like it's It's fucking nuts, man And it bites them in the ass they become miserable all the cat ladies from it Like I can guarantee you 80 to 90 of these girls will end up divorced or never getting married in the first place Knocked up single moms. I mean every one of them the shit show waiting to happen. Well, and they'll look at exceptions But yeah, or they'll end up in a lovely relationship that they know they have to stay married or else They're going to end up being poor and alone and cat ladies Yeah Phil you got some matter Yeah, you know, it's just yeah, you guys already touched on it But absolutely the uh my thought my thought on that is, you know As as this as time progresses and as these young girls the new batch Yeah, as Steve said comes to fruition, you know, and as I'm raising a young daughter, you know I just you know, I try to talk to her about these things all the time You know, I talked to her about the human trafficking what to look out for I mean, don't be a fucking zebra on the prairie. You know what I mean? Don't get eaten by the fucking lions. You got to be you got to recognize this shit You know what I mean and what's really going on? You know, and that's where that's where my brain goes, you know with it You know as far as the high body count goes, you know, people make poor decisions all the time You know, it's it's when you get saddled with that high body count as a man and you're married to that individual and you can't Then you're then you've then you're fucked because the simple fact is is, you know, you get put through the ringer You know what? I mean you go through the divorce proceedings and you're screwed You know what I mean? So I think as as how is it going to affect culture in the in the long-term future I think there's going to be a whole lot more single moms and there is now and there's a Because I'm I'm deal with the general public all the time And I think that more and more as time progresses, uh You know and as men's movements, you know and masculinity keep going I mean there's going to be some sort of clash eventually between You know the state and the feminists And the and the masculine side of things absolutely, you know because the simple fact still remains as You know like as this website that you're putting up here promotes this for these girls to to to jump on and yeah upgrade Yeah seeking arrangements, you know Yeah, I mean that's just this is that that's startling to me. That's almost it's just this is incredible. You know what? It's incredible to me, you know, but I just think is it as future As as it as we go along, you know, there's just going to be a lot more single moms They even have conferences, man. They have whole summits. They call it sugar baby summit They've been doing it for a couple years now. I applied to be a speaker, but they rejected me unfortunately I was gonna give a I was gonna give a whole surprise speech I'll be a salt daddy a salt daddy is a guy you pay him salt instead of sugar so they get you're calm obviously I was gonna give a speech on that and just get boot off the stage I thought it would have been legendary I was like if I can pull this off like if I can fucking If I can get the if someone's not paying enough attention to me is that who I am as a speaker This would be the most hysterical shit ever Like some stand-up shit because I do it for real too. Like I'm pretty good at I'm not the best, but I'm pretty good at it Yeah, you can't trick the trick, right? Yeah, I wanted to I wanted to add something to this too. Um The single moms Yeah, I mean single motherhoods definitely on the rise on on the flip side though single motherhood I mean single mothers notoriously and statistically so not all of them but a huge majority of them Their children have really fucked up problems And this has been documented like really really well Single motherhood I think is like the worst being in a fatherless home essentially For a child is like the worst predictor possible that exists right now for a future life the whole child's life just being fucked up present time problems with uh educational problems learning problems behavior problems uh drug abuse uh divorce Likely to divorce all kinds of really serious shit these things go through the roof when you're raised without a father and in a single mother household On the flip side all these and these children typically come out I think a loose way to put it they become super alpha chads who are unhinged and like they end up like that Or they become like super beta nice mama's boys. They they're super unbalanced on where the other But what that does for us is the mana sphere is it gives us a huge generation of men That are going to want to and need to become men and they're going to look for guidance on that And the best place to find that and maybe the only place to find that is the mana sphere itself All the content creators all the guys on this panel all the guys who've been on this panel all these speakers that we work with Uh, I think that's why there's there could be there's a huge market opportunity because there's a huge demand for that kind of education and that kind of content And then on top of that, uh, it's just a it's just gonna be a good thing And so I think the country might have a very positive feature if we can like tap into that And educate these boys that were raised very poorly by the single mothers who made very poor choices themselves Getting fucked on sugar dating websites and whatever the fuck else So ddj did you want to hop in and rant? Um, I just wanted to talk a little bit about something that phil brought up phil was bringing up the idea of talking to your children about trafficking So it's interesting because you know, again working in family law And and working the worst cases you you really get to learn a lot about child trafficking But what was interesting is the other day and I posted this to my social media And the other day I read an article from a woman who had been child trafficked The interesting thing about it is is that her traffickers got a hold of her Before she was 18 And they groomed her for a year before they ever introduced her to her pimp And again, this is a girl that was she was a cheerleader. She went to church. She did all the things And and they went after her and they basically created these friendships with her And they got her to the point where she wouldn't tell her parents about her or anything else and then they just I mean Turned her completely out Right And so she was saying she was going to like I don't know. She said she'd end up banging like 20 to 30 guys a day sometimes. Oh my god. What the oh, yeah Yeah, yeah, I mean like they when I say turned out. I mean, that's that's an understatement That's like the men's skin prostitute thing going on. Jesus. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and that's that's the point is that it's happening all over the country So, you know, that's why, you know, I know I know steve is talking about. Yeah, these girls are perfectly legal when they're 18 They are but I'll tell you what they start before 18 and some of them at 18 19 20 are pretty sophisticated So just just be aware. But my point is is that you know, when you're talking about human trafficking You have to understand that like these guys are in it for the long con They're going after these high value women these girls who they see as high value To specifically turn them out and then they end up getting them, you know To become strippers to become camhors to become sugar babies and all the things And they're trying to take money from them because of course they're they're pimping them out So child trafficking is is has evolved a lot in the last five to ten years And a lot of it is older women Quote-unquote mentoring younger women and what's what they're doing is is they're setting these women up to be victimized and turned out Right, right. Okay. No, I I agree what you're saying. I just I just say legally wise. I mean I know what you I know what you bet. I wasn't disagreeing with you. No, it's all good Since a girl when she when she realized that she can control her daddy through crying She starts to pick up that she can do certain things to control men at a young age But I want to ping on for something that anthony was saying about these young boys who were raised by mom One of the biggest issues that I have and I guess one of my fights. I mean you your fight is with Uh google dj. My fight is with that bullshit word. How I purged me. That's my I saw that the other day. I was gonna talk to you about that but go on here's my thing It if she moves up moves left moves right and moves down Why do you give a fuck? I mean excuse my language, but that's what I'm saying When these boys are learning just a word and they're basing their whole life off this word You know, I can't eat a sandwich because of hypergamy. I can't do this because I forgive me I can't wash my face because I forgive me. I can't brush my teeth because I forgive me What happens is is that they don't understand these women are watching the same videos that they're watching And the thing about these women that makes them smart in the game because these women know how to get money From guys using their sexual their sexuality. Excuse me What they will do is they will hunt down these guys and try to pretend That they're not a hypergamous woman or whatever that I don't even believe that. Yeah. Yeah So what I'm saying is is that we got to teach these young men To look behind the curtain at the wizard that's promoting The words that they are following because nobody's everybody just because you write a book Makes you an author doesn't mean you know anything about women And the fact that you're just reading and and pushing a narrative to these young impressionable men Women are women hunt that down. That's where I see the problem at the guys Don't they they they don't want to be men. They don't want to accept rejection or failure But as long as they got this whole pergamy or whatever that bullshit word is as an excuse Do you say hope for me? That's a good I like hope for me. That's pretty good. Well, because it's coming from a hope So, you know, I mean so they got to look at the goofball In the glasses And I'm not doing it. I'm being real Right, right. But but I think for the record guys my hands are not on this murder weapon I'm not gonna deal with this rant. I'd love it though. I'm all about it two thumbs up Right, I guess what I guess what I'm saying is this though hypergamy is real. It's in the dictionary. It was created in biology before Uh, this manosphere ever became a thing. However, I agree with you steve 100 that Just because hypergamy exists, right men should not be insecure as yeah, they shouldn't be Yeah, they shouldn't they shouldn't care about it because they should understand it It should be part of their their dating strategy if they're gonna date They should understand it and then they should move the fuck on and go fuck who they're gonna fuck I totally get that and I totally I endorse that statement And I'm just saying that like what but I think where where people have a problem with hypergamy Is not necessarily in the dating scene It's in the long-term marriage scene, right? You know, and that's that's the challenge where it's there And so I know like for myself like I don't care about hypergamy I'm gonna tell guys about it. So they understand it. But you know what? I don't even break stride for it because I'll tell you what and this is for the guys that are out there You know, and this isn't about like long-term relationships or anything else. This is just like dating and fucking there is no better time To be banging a woman When her hypergamy has driven her to you Right, right. But what I'm saying is is that that's why I push You your last name knowing who you are you have an admission statement a vision A model of laws rules principles When I look at you even right now talking I see the man mindset.com I don't see the hypergamy mindset.com. Exactly because I don't It's not a cult because I'm trying to teach people to be their own community and not being a cult But that's what I'm saying guys I want men to to if you want to fuck fuck if you want a relationship Have one but Put these women through the ringer and find out what their value is Stop looking for love and look for respect and if she's not worthy of it Then you cut her ass off and move on But these guys have got to learn themselves and that's the problem You can't learn yourself when you're following a goofy ass motherfucker They don't know anything about women, but he writes a few goddamn books. That's the problem so Yeah, you know and I'm here to tell you it's kind of like what steve I want to just tail off of what steve said that right there that at the end You know put them through the fucking ringer, right? You know women inherently still will slip through your fucking goddamn filter screen so to speak, you know what I mean You know, they'll play nice for two three four years I've seen it before man where they just fucking slide right on through and then You know, so the big thing for me is Steve is exactly right. Who gives a fuck if she swings to the left to the right up down Who cares if you're not fucking happy with it get the fuck out of here move on and it doesn't matter if you're fucking married If you're dating if you're single It doesn't fucking matter if if it's not it's if you're not winning move the fuck on Move go. Let me pack your shit for you You know and and that's just that's just how it has to be, you know, I mean it's a plier. Goodbye. Goodbye. Yeah The big thing is is is you know, I'm running my family in a certain manner right here You know, if you don't like it, I respect your position on not liking it But I'm not going to sit here and warren with you about it. This is my house is a house of peace There is no brain There is no arguing there is none of that shit, but peace if we can't have peace you need to go And that's just it There's no other way around it sounds like some positive patriarchy. It's what that sounds like to me. Oh, no exactly exactly Yeah, you know what what comes to mind ddj. Let's get back any some fucked up Welcome back. Yeah. No kidding. What's up? Yeah, I just wanted to say that What comes to mind here and everybody talk about hypergamy This isn't something I usually focus on too much But it sounds to me like a pergamy. Well, first of all anything can be a crutch for a man Anything it can be a pergamy. It can be alcohol. It can be drugs. It can be porn It can be a one. I just scroll you're obsessed with it can be whatever the fuck, right? Right I think a pergamy for a lot of guys in the manisphere has become that It is you know, it is the thing it was created like ddj said in the early 90s or whatever by uh, someone social sociological uh term To understand how women operate and date and I think a manisphere has done made some progress the different communities the different tribes On kind of hashing that out and fleshing it out But at the end of the day it can still be a crutch and you don't need to obsess with it You need to be obsessed. I think more much more so with what the manisphere is really about Which is you know yourself as a man or yourself as a father and yourself when in terms of masculinity The manisphere is called the manisphere. It's about men. It should be about men boys fathers masculinity period And then everything else that derived that's a derivative of that whether it's politics whether it's marriage Whether it's family whether it's dating whether it's pickup whether it's sport fucking sugar babies because you're bored I mean, you know like it's but but the primary elements are men boys fathers masculinity And I don't think that should be a controversial statement to say I think it should be common sense given the title and the legacy of this community and how big it is now Well, I agree with that. I agree with that wholeheartedly. I will say this though Hypergamy was actually used in biology before the 90s and it was actually a biologist that came up with it A long time ago and it was and they and they discussed it in the context of animals not in the context of humans And so like this I mean this was behavior that was observed in mammals in the animal kingdom a long time ago But I agree wholeheartedly because this idea that the guys who focus on female hypergamy If you're focusing on female hypergamy, you are not focusing on your goals Yep, and if you are not focusing on your goals, there's a problem And you know, it's interesting because when I first met steve one of the first streams we did together steve said something that that I've talked about for many many years And and this isn't not I mean, it's not common to steve or necessarily common to me But that's this When you go out to improve yourself when you go out and you focus on your own self-improvement And you focus on your goals and your your you know your mission, right? You focus on your mission Women will make themselves available Everywhere you go. You don't need to to date online. You'll meet these women in the grocery store You'll meet these women at work. You'll meet these women everywhere you go They will fall over you and they will look for excuses to have conversations with you That's why I tell these guys look Women are hunters they hunt they you know when a guy is on the hunt and they want to hunt Like you know, if they're ovulating and they're out and for their quote-unquote ladies not out You know, and they're available they they and they understand men are going to hunt for them there But what during the day when you're out and about doing your thing You're a successful man women will talk to you and they will do this whole I'm just trying to be friends with this guy No, you're not Come on now. Don't hate. We know what the real deal is. You know what I'm saying? That's why I fucks with you D. D. That's why I fuck you. You know what I'm saying But that's the reality, right? You got to focus on your game, right? It's but that's why I try to tell these young men if you want to worry about hypergamy then You need to worry about a mouse somewhere in amazon getting eaten by a snake I mean, come on. What does that have to do with you? Stop using that as a crutch But it's the but the problem is these young boys are looking for guidance And a lot of these agent smiths, you know in the matrix the agent smith or the antichrist if you're biblical Are here trying to tell these guys i'm your friend I'm your friend But at the same time indoctrinate them with bad information that when they get out into the world What happens is the woman gobbles them up because of the bad information and then ddj Then they get mad at women then they hate women and all this other stuff because of the bad information They need to look at the person that's giving the information because like you said, uh, you said the the word came out in the 90s I I never heard of that. That's why when I heard the word I'm like, what the what the fuck is that? But you know, I mean it's like well a woman moving up so What and like uh feel was saying it's about me Who cares if you like feel said harmony, right? Harmony and if you can't give me harmony, you can move up down Left or right don't let the door hit you in the ass as you leave But when a woman realizes you feel that way she thinks twice and the last thing i want to say Just because she moves up and marries and beans with somebody that's rich Who says she's not smashing the pool boy? Who says she's not being with the gardener and who says she's not coming back for seconds from that guy? Who's an asshole? Oh, yeah, yeah, she they do round trips. They do recycle. Absolutely. They do Yeah, so, you know and and the thing is is that I agree with steve that look Hypergamy if you look at a puzzle as as a hundred percent Hypergamy is probably at most five percent of what you should be focusing on You need to be focusing on everything else you're doing in life And you know and I say this is a man going his own way and obviously i'm a little bit older Um, but you know, like I said, it's it's all about Making sure You're focused on your mission when you're focused on your your psychological health when you're focused on Your social health when you're focused on your financial health and your physical health not necessarily in that order Women will make themselves available to you and and and you don't have to hunt because they will come to you And when they come to you that's when you're like, okay Now I can make a decision of what I want to do with it. And then you don't ever have to worry about it Well put this has been a pretty fun discussion. It's kind of watching this go down bounce around back and forth Yeah Well guys something else to add I kind of want to wrap the show up today Kind of wind it down a little bit here get some closing comments Maybe I know one thing I wanted to hit before we tapped out was there was a comment earlier Back when we're talking about sugar babies more intensely And that was the discussing The comment was discussing like how women like getting paid and they get turned on by it and stuff specifically about how much they can actually get in the market And from my experience, it's true Seeing this woman gun for you could see the amount of money they try to get out of you And even max wife who was more of a like official call girl escort kind of thing There was no need for money when we were dated when we were together She was just doing that's a thing in a lot of ways We'll probably do many different reasons of trauma and whatever the fuck personality disorder But a lot of it just came to think validation from getting a certain amount of cash from men and trying to up that As a as a self-esteem booster because the woman Whether they're on instagram these instagram escorts or real life call girls or sugar babies. It's all kind of the same thing And they see their value in terms of like literal us dollars going into their bank account Which is really fucked up and subhuman, but that's what they do And so I think the comment about that from whoever it was in the comments I don't know if it was gram or I think it might have been gram miller that guy But in my experience, that's true. I think a lot of them are They're so damaged and they're damaging themselves more and more and more of these decisions That they get in this endless like money train of like how much can they get you know for their vagina And it's fucking sick, man, but it is what it's what they do So yeah, I think the comment was correct Fill your uh silent you're muted. Oh, you're back now. You're back. I said that carries over to marriage too, anthony Okay, you know it doesn't even have to you dated they don't even have to be sugar babies But I think there is an inherent feeling that they get you know Oh, well, I got control with this guy over this guy with the golden uterates, you know the pussy Yep, you know, I can give what I want, you know, it doesn't matter, you know And that's the thing is you got to learn to say no No, no No No, you don't need it. No Big no hell. No. No. No negative, you know, you bring up the marriage thing. That's kind of interesting I know I've seen migthouse and others and I think there's merit to it that they even view marriage is like this form like long-term form of prostitution And I don't necessarily agree with that uh to the T But they're tapping into something real and that said there's always a transaction between men and women But I think marriage is a much more honest and uh very positive much more healthy form of this Men being a provider of women being stay-at-home moms and wives and all these you know these things So I think that's a very that's a very healthy version of it and to call that prostitution I think it's a bit of stretch But there is a transaction involved and you can't deny that especially if you're breadwinner and all that Yeah, absolutely. If you live a traditional life, that's what we live. My wife stays at home She runs things if she was a scrap woman and I was still provisioning for her Then I'm basically tricking myself You know what I mean? She's she's pimping me or whatever, you know But if she's a quality woman and she's handling her business and running our home and our family is harmonious and things are great And any provisioning she needs I provide Absolutely, absolutely. It's transactional, but I don't consider it prostitution. That's my job as a man I'm well the idea here. Yeah, the idea here is is it's mutual investment, right? So in a long-term marriage in order to be successful There has to be a mutual investment Of the woman to the man and the reality is that if you're in a marriage and you think that the number one priority is sex Then then you are completely misguided now. I'm not saying that sex isn't relevant It absolutely is relevant and it's important to be able to dick her down But at the same token She has to be able to bring more to the marriage Then just her pussy if she's not cleaning house if you if she's a stay-at-home mom and she's not cleaning house She's not taking care of the kids She's not handling the domestic responsibilities while you're out at work 10 12 15 16 hours a day Then you have to kick her to the curb. That's why I tell people look your relationship is over with the investment stops It's not over when you part ways. This is not just true for romantic relationships. It's not just true for marriages It's also true for friendships. It's true for business relationships and any aspect of your life If you are not getting something positive out of the relationship It is time to assess whether or not that relationship needs to go on Yeah, I just want guys, uh, I must say some of y'all guys that are listening that is going to shock y'all but When you get on the other side of the street Y'all have never experienced women spending money on you And for a lot of you guys out there, you never experienced a woman buying you gifts for Christmas and buying you roses and all that bullshit for valentine's day Matter of fact, uh, there there's an article. I just saw happened a few months ago A man because i'm a squash. How perky me holding with this He got 30 women to give him 2.1 million dollars I Remember that I remember that right so so so So then where's the hypergamy at in this case because that shows that there are women out there that want men Men the key word me in or ma excuse it is eye-opening steve I'd agree when women spend serious money on you and my relationship with max wife who's a call girl She would spend I think the majority of this money on me And like it was ridiculous and over the years it got worse and worse I guess is the cognitive dissonance or the guilt or whatever the fuck built up She spent I talked about this in the speech I gave on it a little bit, but I don't know if I highlighted enough But yeah, that was my first time in my life where women had spent serious money on me For months and years like just over even though I wouldn't like yo leave me alone Like I don't want anything just buy me. Well flights and flights and all kinds of shit There's nuts Yeah, and here's the thing like I remember when I got custody of my older two kids back in my 20s, okay And I was a single father. I was catching a bus to and from college because I went back to school And I was dating a stripper Okay, we weren't even monogamous. I was dating a stripper, but every time we got together she bought everything I didn't pay for shit. I mean, I mean, you know and in 1992 1993 she spent in $200 here $200 there I mean the money was there and of course I was putting in work to get it But you know I'm saying yeah, it was it was a labor of love and love being the four letter word Saying that like that shit's real. Yeah, it's just how it's at the end of the day It's how you feel about yourself and I have to keep going back and how your mind said is I always gotta keep going back to it because a lot of guys can't see what we're talking about right now They think we're fair. We're talking about a fairy tale, but no remember women invest in men They they remember I told you guys if your pussy is tighter than hers She's going to use you remember that We'll put we'll put well and your name is Peggy Got it All right boys, I think we're gonna wrap up for today. It's been almost 90 minutes here It's been a good show been a fun time. I think it's better to keep it under 90 I think it's a little more tight for the guys so easier to watch 90s 90 is the perfect length two hours is too long 90s the length of a movie. So yeah, there you go All right boys, I appreciate you hopping on today. I'm of course president Anthony dream johnson You can find me at 21 studios calm. We've got a vol fill. He's on twitter. We'll put his link in the description of the video ddj miss andry today calm and of course Steve at the man mindset calm Tune in I think this coming week will be a patriarch show on a thursday night at 8 p.m. With hunter drew host And you might see some other guys on there like a vol fill. I'm usually not on there, of course I'm not dead But I'll probably see you guys next saturday 11 a.m. Regular showtime We'll see them with more exciting guests topics and fun should talk about Appreciate it guys. Tune in peace out later later