 it's monday night and it's time for voice over body shop finally another week just rolled by rolled rocketed by is more like it depends on what you were doing i suppose anyway great show tonight as always uh we've got a a wonderful guest who has something we haven't really talked about a whole lot we talk about social media uh tracy linley is going to be here and she's going to talk to us about how to market better unlinked in pay attention folks absolutely and we have some cool tech stuff yeah come up with something uh well we had a couple of interesting questions this morning we do we do actually we have some show and tell and some show and tell so stay tuned voice over body shop coming right up right now two men twin sons from different mothers with a passion for voice over recording technology and the desire to make recording easy for voice actors everywhere together in one place george wittem the home studio engineer to the stars a virginia tech grad with an unmatched knowledge of all the latest gear and technology in voiceover today dan lennard the home studio master a voice actor with over 30 years experience in broadcasting and recording and a no holds barred myth busting attitude for teaching you how easy it is together to bring you all the latest technology today's voice over superstars and leading the discussion on how to make the most of your voice over business this is voice over body shop voice over body shop is brought to you by voice over essentials dot com home of harlan hogan signature products source elements makers of source connect source connect pro and source connect now vo to go go dot com everything you need to become a successful voice artist voice over extra your daily resource for vo success the vo dojo take your voice over career all the way j michael collins demos when quality matters and by voice actor websites dot com where your voice actor website shouldn't be a pain in the butt and now live from their super secret multimedia studio in sherman oaks california here are george wittem and dan lennard well hi there i'm dan lennard and i'm george wittem and this is voice over body shop or vo bs all righty well another monday night comes by and we're here to help the voice over world make their lives easier we're the michetti in the hedge of technology really or the bush of technology okay whatever you call it we're gonna cut through it the hedge yeah okay the michetti in the hedge the michetti in the head of voice over technology so many with the michetti in your hedges better call nine boy this thing makes me look my age this is bad it's coming in very white some people find it very distinguishing and i've even heard the word se x y used to describe your beard okay well anyway now a little in a little play wednesday night and then thursday morning on a plane and all of us are going to atlanta are you gonna shave it before you go to atlanta no i'm gonna keep it for the night everybody's i gotta see your beard man yeah okay i like that then but then when you come back you're not a lot back in the house apparently until you shave it no right and then again i everybody needs to lobby for it anyway uh tracy linley's on the show tonight we're gonna talk about uh marketing on linked in which she's really good at and apparently she has many disciples who are also very good at and they're all watching tonight so they should be glad to have you with us and we're gonna find out how good she actually is at this like this stuff oh i've seen her do this presentation she's top top notch with awesome uh and uh we have a little bit of technology to talk about we've got some interesting questions this morning and uh you've been working on some cool stuff so we'll get to that that in just a couple of minutes but right now it's time for bs voice over extra news all the information you need for a successful voice over career networking without nagging says the entire voice over world descending on atlanta this week for the biggie annual vio atlanta conference well more than 600 registrants from over 40 us states and 15 countries wow are currently logged on the conference website and attendees are booking into overflow hotels starting thursday night the event promises over 200 hours of learning and you have to be there for each and every hour plus lots of networking which brings up tonight's topic how do you network with other voice actors and coaches without becoming a bore or a nag the quick answer is to make the conversation about other people not you you're at the conference to start and continue relationships yet there's more to it as our buddy dav cavosier writes in an article now at voice over extra dot com humility is a powerful tool dav advises and applied to your conference experience remember this everyone likes to talk about themselves so when you take the time to seem interested and listen to their story you make a good impression and dav suggests this after the hello ask what's the latest in their world for instance how are the kids slash husband slash wife slash dog slash cat slash parents how was their trip to atlanta what's their latest success story are they having a good time at the conference what are they hoping to learn who have they seen so far then if the other person manages to get in on one of those questions to elicit a response from you make sure your answer is short and move on to the next question for them on the list remember their name and use it when talking to them ask them for a business card and give them yours make sure it's okay for you to email or call as a follow-up to the conference remember dav says you're there to learn and to meet people networking so don't muddy the waters with a lot of gobbledygook about yourself okay maybe a little bit about yourself so we look forward to seeing you at the conference and now you know what to say to dav when you meet him there this article and hundreds more wait you now at voiceoverextra.com your daily resource for voice over success man it's gonna be a madhouse there i mean yeah everybody's gonna be there yeah i don't have to do a presentation so i'm just gonna schmooze me neither i don't have to do a presentation either i'm actually being brought in by source elements uh i'll be running the if you have to cut a vo track while you're at the conference oh you have to do an istn oh we're gonna have source elements will have vi sdm there at the conference oh excellent you'll be able to come down i'll be in some room off down a hall by myself and sitting in there hanging out and recording people answering questions about source connect and well just answering questions about anything and and actually dav and dave kavasi are gonna be there together to help promote world voices organization so talk to us about wovo if you got a question about it and and if you're a newbie and you want to join we'll tell you how to do it and we'll tell you all the cool stuff that we do anyway what's up in tech this week well i was looking for something interesting and i just stumbled on the fact that max sales which is a fantastic place for getting anything apple related hard drives accessories you know things um they've started and maybe they've done this for a while but it's just really landed on my uh just hit me that they're also a resource for buying used max and i'm not i know a lot of folks think of the apple tax when it comes to buying an apple they consider apple computers to be a lot more expensive dollar per you know pound for pound than a windows computer there i have found that when you really break it down and look at what you're getting components and everything else it's not the divide you think it is and if you look for something refurbished or used it's it's actually uh equalizes it a lot more and and a used mac holds its value because well they're pretty reliable computers like hundas yeah they have a lot they have some pretty good longevity i mean apple would love it if you bought a new one every three years clearly but you know five six seven years or more is pretty common with a mac and if you go on macsales.com you can find a pretty wide range of them um used um they've got mac pros mac book errors mac errors things like that i'm a big fan of buying stuff refurbished or or used i i i believe that every single apple computer i've ever purchased has been from either the apple retailers refurbished section which if you don't know about that is a good resource it's not very clear on the website but if you scroll to the very bottom you'll look you'll see a refurbished section how much can you save doing that i mean it's usually like anywhere from 15 to 20 which you know this is technically not a brand new mac it's technically left the factory and had to come back for some reason but i think it's actually an advantage because by that point the computer's gone through a whole secondary check over right and review and refresh repair whatever it's needed and then it gets a new one-year warranty just like any other mac and you pay 20% you know less for it i i think it's a no-brainer i i'm a big fan of getting things from the refurbished place but if even if the refurbished selection at apple is too limited because it's it varies dramatically depending on what's going on um go check out mac sales they have refurbished computers and their iMac refurbished machines i mean you can get one that's a lot older that will still run twisted wave work beautifully with a 2i2 for example they have a 20 inch core 2 duo okay not fast by today's standards but if you really want to get into using a mac for recording because you want to use twisted wave 279 bucks for a computer with four gigs of ram a 640 gig hard drive an actual optical drive which by the way no apple computer today comes with an optical it doesn't come with anything it comes with holes in the side yeah so you're getting it's got an optical drive yes it is old yes but it is a working fully refurbished and perfect working condition mac so check it out there's some really killer deals in fact i see it sold out that's how popular this is our forget about it the next one up from that getting a lot more modern is a core quad core i5 machine so it's a lot more modern that's a uh 2011 mac i use a 2011 mac you use a 2011 we both we all have 2011 mac minis that are great little machines and you can get one of those for 469 wow so you know i'm you know i'm a big proponent of apple computers it doesn't mean i like everything that apple does i don't like that the garden walls of the apple ecosystem seem to get taller and taller and taller uh you know but the reliability and you know reliability and it works support yeah and the thing about a mac is the os and the hardware were developed together they're a they're guaranteed to work together you know it it removes some massive variables you know when you go windows don't i won't even talk about home-built machines that's a total let me put this card in there yeah i mean you can build here's a great graphics card you better like supporting your own computers if you want to if you don't want to have to be worrying about that apple's a good way to go and here's a way to get one for a pretty good price ex sales dot com by the way you know did you notice that we're actually you know we're not we're gonna come out of here eventually but this is the closet of jack the goalie uh you know we wanted you to send in pictures of your booths show us your booths and jack did that you can too doesn't look cool we're in jack's closet i was hoping we'd get a closet booth there that would look really fun and as you can see and what's what's jack wearing these days he's got uh shirts and pants and then he's got some sweaters over here but great job jack because i know his studio sounds great because clothes are the best diffusers and absorbers out they really are i really really are and he's got a i think a producer's choice curtain up here too that he pulls behind him so who knows what goes on behind the curtain but just don't pay attention to the man there all righty well we've got more to come up we got some tech questions we want to deal with and we'll get to that right after these important messages this is john bailey the epic voice and you're watching v obs dot man there's one show that i can't miss it's called v obs a lot of people like v obs what is that it's bs about v o and i love v o how much bs is going to be in this show there's only one way to find out baby hey guys this is tom also known as the voice of spongebob square pants and you want to fill your ear holes and your eye holes with dan and george and the audio body shop snales like it too before time began there was v obs dot tv watch or else you're still watching v obs you learn the latest in voiceover technology business and good old fashion acting i listen up will 2018 be the year to take your voiceover practice to 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want to get caught like deer in the headlights but anyway so uh things are interesting in our business it's not it's not an easy business i mean you got to learn the business got to learn in networking we're going to talk about that tonight but your home voiceover studio is a really important part and so many people just don't get it they're intimidated by it it seems confusing it's high tech and in reality it's not and you don't want tech support by committee no we're going to talk about it in a second but if you really need help learning how to build a home studio well one watching this show certainly if you've been watching for the last seven years seven years in march believe it or not if you've been watching you know that what george and i do is help you with your home voiceover studios and if you need help from the voice engineer to the stars they go to uh george the tech dot com uh that's where all my tech stuff is you can schedule things there you can order services get your studio built uh you know it's all right there it's a huge man it's like a chinese menu it's a pretty it is kind of like a greek restaurant menu yeah yeah you can't find a good greek restaurant a greek diner i mean greek diner greek diner yeah yeah how many pages of cheeper cheeper cheeper cheeper okay uh and what about you dad well if if you yeah you can go over to home voiceover studio dot com and uh you know just click in there and see what i do and if you want to send me a sample of your audio raw dry uh i want to hear what your booth sounds like you just click on the specimen collection cup there and that opens a dropbox and you can send it right to me and i will listen to it mm-hmm i may not write back but i will listen to it no i'll write back do that all the time well anyway this morning you and i were involved in this thread on facebook yeah somebody asked this question about they were saying i'm getting feedback in my monitors right turn on the mic the monitors start to squeal and make a foghorn i mean and and and she's like what do i do well people started chiming in on this on this uh this thread and they're like turn off your phantom power unplug your microphone which you know these are really tough to record fairly wrong answers well if you're trying to record they are just not the right answer no no uh there were some other very creative ones and some some people were going into great detail and finally uh so if you can get that picture of the 2i2 up behind me here because she was talking about a scarlet 2i2 um there it is right there all she had to do was touch this little switch here like that that says direct monitor and that turns off your monitors when your mics open you know and there's all these long things in there there's a lot of information and i'm like turn off direct monitor yeah and then conversation just oh all of a sudden all these little likes popped up yeah i like that answer i like that answer yeah so uh yeah i mean i think the lesson there i mean it's trust me i've gotten a lot of support from groups and forums and news all that stuff right you still all those things as resources over the years the thing is is like that's what's gonna happen you're gonna get into uh you can get a phalanx of answers one of them might be the right one and in that case yours was the right one but in the end how did she know that was the right one unless she actually hopefully tried it tried it went oh yeah and then it started to work right direct monitoring can get people in trouble to twist a wave has a monitoring function built in as well and that it does a similar thing right and it gets people in trouble right because you i mean there's that's always an argument whether you want to be monitoring yourself while you're recording some people do some people don't the idea of wearing headphones is so you can hear something else other than yourself right because if you're listening to yourself chances are you're not paying full attention to that black and white stuff that's on the paper i know anything that's feeding into your ears is is subliminally on some level of distraction yeah so that's not a good idea so go ahead yeah the scarlet just a little more about the scarlet yeah um it's a great simple interface i like that it has an on off switch for monitoring many others have a knob where you blend from make back to record right yeah i think people that's a little esoteric and funk and weird for what we need it's either on or off i do like that i wish that that monitor switch would only affect what comes out of the speakers or the headphones or if you had control over the two independently right because it'd be nice to set it up so that the microphone never comes out of the monitors right right then you wouldn't ever have feedback wouldn't that be cool it would be you know that that's something that your little ago3 does have it has a monitor mute button right and that i like that you can mute the monitors and keep the headphones on at least i believe that's how it works no it works great yeah it's really and i've used it on sessions in here where someone's in the booth and i just go let's listen to them don't have it up very loud but right you can hear what's going on so yeah the 2i2 is a great basic interface but when you want a little bit more flexibility it's stepping up to like the ag03 from yamaha is a nice option yeah now you are working on a studio this week and something you did some interesting stuff yeah it was it was this was a studio project that started uh well the first meeting was a year and a half ago construction started about four months ago it went about two months longer than he expected as most construction projects do yes and we decided um due to one thing or another uh we decided it was time to build the acoustic panels ourselves so instead of ordering them from one of our favorite vendors we just decided to source everything and do it in house and he had a very good contractor who was on hand and available and was willing to build all the frames the homeowner whose name is keith farley uh he's a voiceover director and voice actor himself uh he was willing to go downtown downtown la and find the fabric that he wanted he had a very specific aesthetic that he was looking for um but actually like while i talk maybe we can show the video while i'm talking because it's a silent video there shouldn't be any audio um all right well video and then there's another one that's just fully online now what's going on here just let that play on that oh there we go okay so this is the um hoisting of the ceiling cloud the acoustical cloud they call it that goes over the mixing position so most voice actors this isn't of a big concern to you because you're in the booth then you're editing a voice track you send it off right keith is one step beyond that he produces he wants to make sure that what he completes in that studio is ready to go in the air he wants to hear it accurately and without any reflection off the ceiling things like that so we hung this panel it doesn't look that big in the picture but it's about four by six feet and this was the process we went through to hang it and uh our producer susan's son i was gonna say isn't that hat he is in the room he was helping us out he was he was uh my my helper for the for this project we worked on these panels i worked on these panels all day thursday half the day friday we hung half of them friday and then we hung this big boy uh yesterday that looks great it even goes with the painting there yeah well it you know what looks it looks like a painting doesn't it that is the window into the studio you're actually looking through glass into the city yeah the other video we actually you know what play the other one susan would you because it shows a little bit more of what's going on in the studio um keith's place there we go now you get a little more perspective oh i see that was like an ultra wide lens weird distorted shot this shows the studio but um keith uh he's got a very particular eye he wanted a specific color fabric he wanted you know an interesting color scheme and you know he went out of his way to find this color fabric it wasn't easy to find with with that was a good acoustical fabric gilford of main is this company in main that sells this really amazing acoustic fabric but they did not have this color in stock so he had to scramble and he went to downtown la and found it at this place called home and uh it was like a fraction of the cost it was like five bucks a yard wow if you've shopped for fabric that's a really good deal and i have yeah so if you're looking for a place to get fabric for acoustic panels i can tell you this is a this is a great resource this fabric is fantastic people who build these wonderful voiceover palaces as i like to call them you know and and for me decorating you know i go for the you know the apple well no the applebee's atmosphere the collections at the collections in the airplanes and all that other stuff yeah you know i can i suppose i could go for really nice you know symmetrical panels of it the diamond thing was totally a keith's idea yeah hanging everything on diamond shapes but it came out well so the cloud thing was interesting but then you had a story about clouds too where were you you saw some oh cloud panels oh well our good friend tim freedlander just opened up reopened his studio remember we were there last fall la what's it called your l a l a sound box sound box away and he redid the whole studio it was you know it was a music studio and a voiceover studio and he enhanced the isolation of the he did put a double door and all that kind of stuff still using my old ventilation box from buffalo made out of the hp printer box i love it you don't see it it's in another no it's behind a curtain but yeah so yeah and um you know i went in there because i had a meeting with him and somebody else and we were he says hey listen what it sounds like in here i'm like i hear a couple of nodes yeah and it was very obvious and what he eventually ended up doing was buying a couple of very big clouds like that big black one i'm like you know the big black cloud over your head and uh and then he they hung those right before a party saturday night when he was officially dedicating the studio if you dedicate a studio yeah uh and um it it sounded great it really did did he hang them from magnets no he did not hang them from magnets no these things are actually he actually was wiring just before the party apparently just before i i'm sure it was a scramble to get those up in time yeah but tim that looked great and by the way before we we take a break here uh hopefully uh pat is out there watching pat sweeney our good friend in toronto is a little under the weather and uh we wish you the best and uh hope everything works out for you there um thinking about your pat yeah absolutely give you pat on the back all righty uh tracy linley's coming up and we're gonna talk about linked in how to market better there right after this are you confused about how to set up and maintain a professional quality voiceover studio no wonder the information out there is mostly mythology this is the best microphone to use you'll have to have a preamp you need a soundproof booth this software is the best your audio must be broadcast quality consult with someone who knows the truth someone who's been there in the trenches doing voiceover for over 30 years someone with unparalleled experience with voiceover studios who's worked with hundreds of voice actors and designed hundreds of personal studios he knows how to teach and cares about your success in one of the harshest environments known to voiceover your home dan lennard the home studio master separate myth from fact and get a handle on your personal voiceover studio contact the home studio master at home voiceover studio dot com drop off a specimen of your dry audio for a free analysis well let me tell you about one of our great sponsors that source elements at source dash elements dot com they're creators of many tools voice actors need to connect to their studios to other studios around the world one of the great tools that they're uh putting out there and right now is in beta is source connect now it's totally free and it allows you to connect to your clients other recording studios all over a chrome web browser or it can be done using they're built in or they're actually their own downloaded application and what's the advantage of something like that versus using chrome the downloaded standalone application for source connect now makes it impervious to things that google chrome releases and sometimes causes issues with your audio codex so it's a great tool totally free you can give it a try today start using it and your clients don't even have to own it all you gotta do is send them a link to your session and they can connect and listen to you in really high fidelity and it's a great substitute for something like source connect uh well source connect more so a good substitute for skype so give it a try if you'd like to give it a try or if you'd like to use their full range of products go to source elements dot com that's source dash elements dot com you can get a 15 day free trial of source connect right away thanks for watching we'll be right back here with dan and tracy i really like your bracelet it's awesome hey paul where did you get that watch um that's really cool and a hamburger with no cheese please every monday nine eastern six specific only on voiceover body shop dot com all righty it's time to introduce our guest you know tracy limley is a full-time voice talent and mother of four young children who lives in kansas city but there's more to it than that yes i know but she is a passionate she's passionate about building relationships and uses a free linkedin account to find clients and book work with major brands like microsoft ebay visa american heart association proctoring gamble and more and let's welcome to voiceover body shop our good friend tracy limley there she is all right thanks for having me oh it's a pleasure having you on how you've been i'm great that's great that's good on the way yeah we had some ice last week but nice and nice and warm today yeah are you presenting at vio atlanta yes i am i have a breakout session on friday at 4 30 cool all right well maybe i'll drop in on that one let's see what's going on over yes i'm not handing out candy though oh well oh i could hand out candy that's good though because candy is dehydrating and that's the last thing you want when you're stuck in a huge building for four days with air conditioning with 600 other people yes uh anyway so tracy we'll get to talk about uh linkedin is just a little bit here tell us a little bit more about yourself how does you know a lovely mother of four in in kentucky become a voice actor or why well i'm in kansas city but oh kansas city okay kansas city kentucky at the k place okay that's right i'm sorry i'm sorry um i am a mother of four i love children and i've actually been reading out loud to kids and i tried to read out loud to my own brother but i'm only a year and a half older than him so i've been reading out loud to kids my entire life i used to volunteer at the library and read out loud to children and so i've just been kind of doing that my whole life and never knew there was an industry until i had an internship at a cable company and i would read for them and they'd pay me 20 bucks a spot because i didn't know any better and i'm like yeah and i get it in three takes or i i just do three because you know couple for safety right and i i really enjoyed it and pretty soon i had my third child and i was hauling a baby carrier and two toddlers in with me to this guy's studio to read these spots and i was like dude this is not worth it i'm not doing it anymore i gotta quit and he's like you know you can do this from your own studio right i'm like no i did not know that so i started researching like crazy and that was january 2014 and four years later i'm here so it's amazing and you're doing all this great work with all a lot of these big companies so obviously you're doing something right how did you stumble into linkedin and what was your process for for starting to use that yeah were you early in on the linkedin thing yeah no um that was part of the learning process and stumble would be the right word because i didn't really know what i was doing at first i think a lot of times we're all kind of learning about social media as we go along but i'm really glad that i did get on linkedin because that started to be one that i really enjoyed i didn't join until january 2014 when a friend told me get on linkedin he also told me to get on fiverr so i'm really glad i did not listen on that one hey cool so all right so you're you're on there what why do you think linkedin is the most powerful social media platform for booking voice work well i mean that's the only it's not the only but it is the most popular professional social networking site it has about 500 million users which doesn't hold a candle to facebook but the the people on there are not going to be posting about what they had for lunch right it's very it's very different in a way in the way it works well they shouldn't be yeah really well there is some but yeah i don't like that stuff you don't get a thumbs up for me if you tell me about your lunch right but it's it's a really great website because people are on there for professional reasons so and politics is mostly left out which is great for me um i i don't like to read that stuff i just want to network with people i want to um socialize for professional reasons and um it's great for that it's a it's mostly for b2b business to business and it's instead of as opposed to b2c business to consumer and so it's a great resource for that mm-hmm fabulous all right so it's a process and you've got a you've got a course that you're teaching on this uh and i guess you've got some very specific steps to doing it so there's three steps to turning linkedin into a prospecting gold mine tell us about well yeah i mean basically there are three steps so the first one is to optimize your profile make it as awesome as possible the second one is to find and connect with the people that you know will use your services and are looking but just don't know you're there and then the third one is to send them a message that's going to make them want to work with you so nothing spammy nothing needy but just hey here i am i'm a resource for you hmm so you write to them and so what what what's the what is the first thing you do i mean to reach out to people i mean what are you looking for and stuff well i always tell people you don't want to reach out to them until you've got your profile looking really nice and a lot of times that can be quite a mystery to people because they're not sure what to write they're not sure what to put on their profile so that's something i talk about in the course but there are some basic things i mean basically about 50 of linkedin users only fill out partial partially their profile so if you fill out the entire thing then you already have a leg up over the competition so i tell people to do that but then as i go along i want to give them more information on how to actually do it so first of all you know what you want to start with a great profile picture i think that you should use a professional to shoot that for you you definitely don't want to have a beer in your hand you don't want to be wearing anything scandalous you don't really want to have someone else in the picture with you because then they're like well which person's which for this profile so i always tell people to start with a professional headshot and then with the background photo which is the larger photo that you'll see um that when i tell them you know there are some different ideas for that you can use a quote from a customer you can use i've got a picture of myself but it has kind of some fun um elements in it and i always tell people put your website and your email address in there so that they don't actually have to connect with you to get that information because the whole point is to get them to contact you check out your website check out your demos and see if you're a good fit for the voiceover job right because you can post your demos there oh yeah um and some people aren't sure how to do that so there's sections in the summer the summary section and the job experience section both have opportunities to upload media and so i always tell people upload them in both because you don't know where people are going to be looking um linkedin keeps changing and now it's where above the fold you have to click it to get to those media samples so people might scroll down instead and if you've got them listed in your job experience section that's very helpful hmm that's where mine are okay i of course i have all star status in linkedin it's just like you know you've been here i've been there i was an early adopter so um but actually can you if you share your screen with us tracy you can actually show us your page and some of the some and actually point out some of those things okay um just go to the bottom click on share screen and then just go to your your linkedin page sure yeah i can do that oh good i wasn't prepared though because i was told i couldn't share my screen so just a sec oh who told you that i'm not naming names okay i'm not here to get anybody in trouble okay okay let me do that for you okay she's she'd sprayed it during presentations it you guys see my screen not quite yet but we oh could be an issue on my end because i'm sharing my screen with you oh okay maybe that's your screen yeah okay never mind all right i'm sorry but if you come to my presentation at vio at vio atlanta you can see it and i'd be happy to help anybody who wants to hire me for consulting but i don't do a lot of that because i have limited time but the course is great it has all this stuff in it because a lot of it is visual and i kind of discovered that um you have to see it to understand what all the steps are and how to work it so the course has a lot of things like that it has screen sharing options it has some power point slides which i try to make as fun as possible there are unicorns involved and um i kick off each of the six modules with a and a little on camera introduction for me just to make a fun i try to learn i like to learn when it's fun i mean don't you gotta be done right absolutely well actually we if we put this on da view if you go to my my uh my mac book air there so we can actually show what tracy's page that's cute that's just cute as can be um you should have my it should be on in there yes no the air the air just hold on one second we'll get it that's the great thing about an informal tv show we can we can do these sorts of things that's right you know we just really well we didn't test this before the show because we didn't know we were gonna do that right just one okay never mind all right well let's go on and talk a little bit more about what's an effective way to use it um how do you get noticed unlinked in for the right reasons because you got people who are everything you know i'm starting to get a lot of requests from people who are like financial managers and uh you know they're the strategic planners and i'm like why is this person trying to contact me i don't quite get that can you tell us a little bit more about that and how do you how do you separate yourself from all that well a lot of the the tips that i just gave you those are basic things on how to set your profile apart from other peoples so you want to look as professional as possible you want to also tell the whole truth about yourself but you don't have to list every job you've ever had in fact i don't i know i was a claims adjuster way back when and that really doesn't play into voiceover too much although i am trying to get more into the automotive market so there's a chance i may add that but um you know i mean you want to try to keep it relevant to what you're doing now so um i don't know it's it's really hard to tell you without showing you but i do tell people in my course about checking your settings to make sure that you don't blast your notifications to your network because it gets really annoying if you see so and so change their phone number so and so uploaded this picture it just it's not it's not anything that anybody needs to know so i tell people to change their settings on that i also talk about how to set it up so that it's going to work within your workflow for instance the way i do it is if i'm going to connect with somebody i send the word you send the request and then i want to know once they've connected back with me so i changed my settings so that i can get an email for each of those it'll notify me by email every time someone connects back with me because then i use that as an opportunity to send them a message and when you're talking to people you always want to keep in mind that it's about them and i really liked dave's um blog post i read it this morning about networking and it's the same with linkedin you want to always keep the other person the focus talk about you know address it from their perspective what are their pain points when someone's hiring a voice talent they want to make sure that that person knows what they're doing and you can demonstrate that by your by your work samples and by showing professionalism in your pictures also um you want to hang on i lost my train of thought there um so you want to you want to look at things from their perspective and they also want to make sure that you've got a great studio so you can have a studio picture in your samples if you want so those are just some things to think about about how to set you apart but with the message um you just want to think about them you don't want to go on and on and on about yourself i always tell people to try to keep it you know under 150 words if you can and that way it's going to keep you from talking too much about yourself right do do be a resource and do be helpful but you don't need to tell them about every piece of equipment in your studio even if it makes you really excited or if they ask if they ask go ahead and tell them but for the introductory message keep it pretty casual and chill right this this now this is a networking site it's not sales sales sales like all i ever get on twitter and my direct messaging are those auto bot things and twitter i don't love i just joined instagram i love facebook to network with my colleagues and to keep in touch with friends but linked in for business reasons is my absolute favorite because you know because we talked about it the reasons are the professionalism people are on there because they want to help each other in their businesses so they expect that type of networking um but they don't like a lot of sales so keep that in mind everything has to be really casual i mean we see it when we're looking at scripts the specs always say non-announcery not salesy and it comes to the same points when we're talking about sending messages to people you don't want it to be so in your face salesy do you think there's any advantage to the linked in groups versus groups and other platforms you know being a should you participate in the linked in groups more than the facebook groups because i know for me personally i'm in the facebook groups constantly but not in linked in groups is that a mistake you know i think it depends on what you're trying to accomplish so for me i want to network and get to know video producers instructional designers those people that are going to hire me and normally what i get hired for through linked in um are things like mostly e-learning corporate videos some commercials but i would say that corporate videos and e-learning have been my my best genres but it also depends on what you're going for if whatever you're trying to get that's probably what you're going to get so those are the people that you want to search for if you search for video producers you could come up with a mix of commercial corporate video and explainer videos um which is fine yeah it's great i'll take all i love it all it's a lot of fun whatever falls into your plate but there's some you know you just never know who you're going to meet and that is the fun part about it it's a surprise and i will i have contacted people like a year and a half ago and they're and then they out of the blue will send me an email saying i have this project for you and i have never heard back sometimes i will send people three and four messages without getting anything and then all of a sudden i hear i get a ding in my inbox and hey can i get a quote on this project you never know what you're going to find so it's an adventure yeah so actually well george was talking about joining groups can you look for groups of producers and video producers are there i mean there's groups for just about everything yes i'm so sorry i forgot to address that yeah yeah with those groups um you want to look for yes the groups of video producers you want to look for your clients i don't think it's great to look for a bunch of voiceover groups because for the most part i find that people enjoy hanging out on facebook um i kind of started a linkedin group at one point and it was it was a lot of people joined it but then i would address a question and and it wouldn't get a lot of response so i just shut it down because i was like i don't have time for that but um facebook is kind of where i find that our colleagues hang out mostly but with the people that you're trying to attract that's definitely a great place to be you don't want to be on there spamming like hey check out my website and all that but you do want to thoughtfully join the discussion and i find that it's a great place to educate myself about their industry and what they're doing oh i would think so i mean i wouldn't think you know what are you what do video producers talk about i don't know i don't either the next new switcher the next version of wirecast i don't know something like that yeah jump into the group and you'll find out i know i know and a lot of these things are like i don't even know um with the instructional designers they'll be like talking about all this stuff that i don't really understand but i do want to attempt to i want to get into their world as much as i can so it's a great place and and on the it has a news feed kind of like facebook has and that's the majority of where i end up spending my time other than groups because it's it's more interactive i'm finding um and it's and everybody can see it that's in their network in mind so it's it can be um a wider audience but there are some there are some groups with just thousands of people and there's a video group that i'm in that's i think it's like 36 000 people so that's a big group right not gonna be negative network a whole lot with that you might meet a few but it's really fun it's just it's you always want to keep that other person in mind the client is and what their needs are it should be should be your main focus oh absolutely uh if you're just joining us where you've been uh but if you are we're talking with tracy linley uh talking about marketing your voiceover business on linked in and if you've got a question for i know jack daniel is in the chat room he's not here physically with us tonight arie has his seat on the couch tonight and uh he'll take your question and relay it to us and uh we'll get that to tracy because i know there are so many details to linked in as you were talking about the settings and you know that you can download your entire list of people and there's all sorts of cool things you can do so i'm sure people have lots of questions about that and i know there's a lot of people that say i've you know they've taken your course they do a tremendous amount of marketing on on linked in and uh you know maybe they can share some stuff as well about how they do these things uh so just throw that in the chat room and we'll we'll get to those questions uh one of the things that's really i guess important because you were talking about how don't talk about yourself too much because you want to make it about them so what's the most important thing potential clients want to know about you or me or george they want to know how you're going to solve their problem you need to instill confidence in them by letting them know that number one you know what you're doing and number two you're there to help them i i love helping clients i don't mind last minute stuff i don't mind revisions i mean i love to help them i want to make them happy so if that's your focus instead of oh my gosh these people are inconveniencing me then you're going to have a better time in your business because you're going to be seen as helpful and um indispensable we all want to be indispensable we do not want to be solicitous we don't want to always be here's my stuff here's my stuff so that's that's kind of the main thing that i always talk about is make it about them um but but let them know that you know what they're doing and you understand their pain points and that comes into play especially when you're writing your summary section and um it's okay to tell a little bit of story about yourself maybe your background i read um one persons that talks about how she um she's she talked about kind of storytelling and and how she loved to act that's great she didn't go overboard with it it was just short that it was a really interesting little personal story that helps you kind of get to know somebody that's the style of the biography the bios and the summaries that we're seeing it's it's less formal and i always tell people write in the first person think about it when you're writing it think about it as if you and i are just talking over coffee or we're having a business lunch you want to keep it professional but keep it as you know as as personal too that you can it's kind of a it's kind of a blend but you don't want to share you don't want to over share but you also want to make sure that it's not as if someone were announcing you on a stage right first person like you're talking to them right and you could actually be drinking coffee while you're doing it so it'd be like actually having coffee great thing about these sites again we're talking with tracy limley and if you got a question for throw it in the chat room and we'll be happy to address that one using linkedin and i and i've used it for years and years and years it's as you said it's about establishing relationships with people and you start to look at your list and you're like god that's a long list of people but trying to find new people uh how do you i mean how do you approach them i i you remember you talking something about you send them a letter or you send them a message and and how do you how do you break the ice with someone like that okay well i like to tell people to try definitely check out their profile see what you can learn about them um if they are a video producer they probably have a demo reel or a sizzle reel check that out there's got to be something in there you like don't lie and if you absolutely hate it don't say you love it i i always say to be truthful but i believe that there's something good about everyone so there's got to be something in there that you like figure it out maybe you like the music um maybe you could compliment the lighting i don't know if you're really struggling just try your hardest but um whatever you can see about them from their profile talk about that give them a give them a quick compliment don't you know be mushy and go overboard but definitely try to say something nice i mean we all love compliments you guys love compliments right and but we rarely get them which is sad but true but well i'm sure you have a lot of people who love this show i know i'm one of them and um i think it's also really cool that you did the whole send your studio picture in you guys are so interactive and a lot of fun but i think that was a good example of that okay because i know something about you and there's always something good about someone that you can share so look for that maybe look for i always tell people try to look for common ground as well sometimes you can search for people by you can search for people by school so if you went to a large uh university you can search for other alumni so that's an option to find people it's always good to look for common ground because then you already have a talking point get something to talk about absolutely 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howard hello yeah i he can't possibly be listening it's three in the morning in england says what can any of us do to alert linkedin to the deteriorating user friendliness of its website people there are as helpful and wide awake as ever but it's gotten much harder to navigate to one's groups and previous comments and when someone reaches out in friendship you get no reliable confirmation of your profile acknowledgement not even a button gray out these issues are not good for business and not good for linkedin gee what a rant thoughts about that i don't know i can tell you that i met howard a couple of years ago i think it was or three years ago um in a linkedin group so um hi howard how's it going um but i i think i'm trying to decipher what the question is in there but i think that you're looking to know if someone let me just i think he's sort of read your message what i think he's sort of ranting about the user interface linkedin changing which i have to say to howard i understand the frustration of user interface is changing skype what the heck did they do is skype in the last version insane nuts yeah face changes things on a weekly basis but that is unfortunately the way of things you know and you have to be able to kind of move with the changes you know it's a bummer yeah do you find that the interface of linkedin right now to be you know in any way distracting from using it it's okay um i don't love the notifications but that's why i address that by changing my settings yeah i think it's really important to personalize it make it your own as much as you can but with the settings you're allowed to change how often you want to get emails what you want to get an email for right right and i think the two most important settings to change are to receive an individual email every time someone sends you a request to connect with you and also to receive an individual email when they accept an invitation that you have extended to them and also anytime that you've obviously received a message that should be a number one priority because i have people sending the actual scripts in a linkedin message so you want to get those right away but i have found that there's about a 25 minute delay between when someone sends me a message and when it lands in my inbox and i know that is not my email because i'm hosted with brad newman at upper level and it is quick so you will it is not on my end so linkedin is clunky and i tell people that it is but it's also very powerful yeah so i will take the good with the bad but as far as someone you know when someone's checked your message that you sent because you'll actually see in the corner that it's been read so if you look at the message thread you'll see that mm-hmm also you can see when someone's checked out your profile well that was that was my next question was like what if somebody's checked your profile because i get those emails you know once a week i'd like to get them every day to say you know 25 people looked at your profile today but you know it's like four or five people have actually looked at your profile now i guess there's a premium linkedin that allows you to actually see who it was i guess but you're talking about just using the free version of this right and and if you see that thing for someone's been checking your profile what's a good action to take oh check and check out their profile right away i had an instructional designer for i don't want to say which company but one that i would love to work for it involves home interior which i'm nuts about and this person was an instructional designer and i connected with him about a year and a half ago and i saw that he was poking around checking out my profile so i sent him a message i didn't you know we're already connected so i wasn't like hey you creeper but instead i just said hey i noticed that you recently viewed my profile and i just wanted to let you know that i'm here if you have any questions let me know if there's something i can help you with so again the helpful attitude right so he comes back with this yeah you know we've never used professional voice talent for our training but we're thinking about doing that and i was showing your samples to some of my colleagues through your LinkedIn profile so that made me realize how important it is once again it just kind of affirmed the fact that you've got to have your demos really easily up there not just your website i tell people to put their video put their audio demo into a video form so that you can just link it to your profile and that i found that's very helpful but they also a lot of times mostly end up checking out my website too because they want to see what kind of person i am and just get more information than just a demo yeah well devox had a question because you are clearly into interior design based on that interesting background he wanted to know what i'm like jack the goalie by the way right i asked earlier about this before the show but devox wants to know what's on the background is that an acoustical panel behind you is a decorative what are we looking at behind you it's really cool it is a very fancy and custom made stick on wallpaper from targets all right from target all right target my kids love to pick at the corner so i need to get some like super glue put that down but yeah you too can have a lovely space and i also have this this orchid right here so i i like interior design it's fun so i think it's fun too that's what's great about voiceover because whatever you love you can target you can find anybody on linkedin i'm into interior design i like food i don't like a lot of stuff but whatever you're into you can target those people or you can you know you can find instructional designers for certain companies you like the world is your oyster and linkedin has the people you need to connect with so that's why i really look at it as an adventure rather than drudgery i mean people think marketing is so dull and boring and i'm like who can i meet today it's really fun right well that that that is fun now you haven't you're teaching a course on this tell us a little bit about that yeah i um i created a course because as you know dan i believe you were in my fact on presentation yep yep i was one of the first ones and that's where it all started um amy snively has created an amazing place where people are free to share they become the presenters and even as a pretty new voice talent a couple years ago um this you know i was feeling pretty insecure because it was my first conference that i'd ever been to and i with trepidation you know put my little card up on the wall and kind of hoped and prayed that nobody would put their sticker on it because i was scared to talk to everyone about my packed the room i show up and there's a standing room only and i'm like holy moly well i guess i'm doing this before that it was covered with stickers so i'm like okay well crap now i have to come up with a presentation on the fly but i had brought my laptop and that's how the conference works that's how that one works is you got to be really ready to go if somebody likes your topic and i just didn't know that i had something of value i kind of just figured everybody used linkedin like that so when it became apparent that everybody didn't and i was like oh okay and i just keep getting email after email and just people always wanting to know more about linkedin and i didn't ask for this but people just kind of wanted to know more and so i i did some consulting for a while and i just don't have a lot of time and so i wanted to create something that was pre-packaged but had everything that i would ever tell someone in a consultation so i created the linkedin edge and you can see that at the linkedin edge dot com and if you go there you'll you'll see a table of contents i put in there what the modules are about there's two hours of video content but i don't like to waste people's time i like to pack in as much information as i can all videos are tightly edited to take out breaths and annoying you know if i had a pause while i was changing slides i just don't want to waste anybody's time for a second and i have a whole bunch of different downloads too that they can keep including one of my favorite ones which is how to rock linkedin every day and it's just some tips um like well of course check your messages check your notifications check your email but then just you know join in with a thread that's going there was a great one by an instructional designer that i had done some work for and he brought up a great conversation and all these other instructional designers are chiming in so what i did was i i looked at their comments and a lot of them had really cool stuff to say so i actually reached out to those people on the thread and i was like hey i love what you said about this on so-and-so's thread i would love to connect with you and so when you do that you're you're organically finding that business and building those relationships in a fun and personal way so that's just one of the things you can get um i've got a diy template because that background picture is really hard but even if you have that diy template sometimes people still struggle so i have somebody that i refer them to from a very low price she'll constrain i didn't make my own background i tell people that it's difficult so i like to enlist the help of a graphic designer i'm all about outsourcing if it's not a strength because i want it to be amazing and not just my mediocre graphic designer skills right and you got kids to feed so you know i can't do i have time for everything like that my kids do eat a lot yeah jolene asked a question about uh your linkedin bio should you write it in the third person or the first person some people say one some say the other what do you think well i did address that earlier jolene but perhaps you were busy but the first person so jolene when you're when you're writing that bio you're talking to me as a prospective client you're talking to someone over coffee that you would really like to work for so keep it casual keep it first person and just you know whatever you would say to someone if they say hey jolene what do you do and so that's your summary section and then would then i tell people when you get into the job experience section that's when someone has gone beyond your elevator pitch and is like so um what kind of stuff have you done in voiceover and then that's when you get into more specifics so that's kind of how you can differentiate those two as well sandi also asked um of course that she loves your program um is your insight and i think you mentioned this do you only use the free version of linkedin or do you find there's some advantages to using the pro version or the paid version you know i find that i can get so much business just by using the free version that that's what i stick with now the premium version does have some features but a lot of the stuff that they are wanting to charge you for are things that recruiters need or job seekers uh i do want to know who's been viewing my profile because you can only see a limited number but that's one and also you get unlimited searches if you buy the really premium package but even the middle ground one you don't have unlimited searches so in my course i have kind of a workaround and a a a secret weapon that you can use to still continue to look for people and find and do those searches and i also have i i help people create searches that'll come straight to your inbox so you don't even have to go look for you a list automate the whole thing it's it's sending you leads it's sending you the stuff you you can set it up and i'll show you how oh right uh paul stafano asks really says i accept pretty much anybody sending me a connection on linkedin i figure the more the merrier is that bad i would say that i accept almost everyone some there are some countries that are sketchy to want to work with or you know they might be known for low rates mostly i'll accept anybody unless if i look on there and they have like five connections i always look at people and i and if they're i have gotten some creepy people but not too many just less than a handful of people like oh you have a really hot profile picture no i just got one of those emails a couple days ago it happens there are some creepy people but a whole lot less creepy people than than facebook yeah i was gonna say i mean i just posted a thing on my professional facebook profile saying how i can't believe how many requests i get on facebook when i look at who the common friends are that are of this friend quote unquote they're all men and then i click on to see who this person is and it's almost never something legit right it's usually spam yeah well well dress spam but spam nonetheless uh anyways go ahead well because it's not personal in nature i don't screen people too much i'm not going to be posting pictures of my kids or my personal life unless i want everybody to see it so i really don't i mean i think about things before i post them so because i'm not posting a lot of things about my family and i need to protect my children i don't really screen people too carefully and most of the time you're going to find that people are either voice actors that are connecting with you or people that might give you work or there's the third category of people who i have a great voice could you tell me how to get into voiceover and so i'll try to help them as much as i can and then i have a resource list that i say send me your email and i'll send you this resource list and if you get through it then we'll talk they'll never get through it that's a very popular question adam loftbaum says hey tracy how do you know when it's time to shift from the getting to know you stage and go for the ask the second message the third when you go in for the kill okay i think you have to really feel them out because let them ask the questions i always say be a resource let them drop your website in your email after your name when you're signing off of from your what i call um introductory message or intro message so the process for me would work i find them they connect with me i send them a message now if they send back a message and all it says is thanks or it's a thumbs up emoji do not go in for the cell they're not that interested okay but if they've got more skin in the game like they start asking you hey can you send me a rate sheet hey can you send me a quote um if they ask any questions that make them seem interested i i consider that an in but if all they say is thanks then no but if they say i'll add you to my list or i'll keep you in mind for the future then i write back saying something like um okay that sounds awesome thank you so much for that i know melissa moats is one that talks about how often she says the words thank you and i think those cannot be overused um definitely thank them for connecting thank them for their time thank them for any message they might send back to you thank them for their time i think i said that one but people's time is valuable so um that's when i just say back to them all right that sounds great i would love to help you if you have one if you have any questions or if they didn't ask for my rate sheet but they have asked me some sort of question you can ask if you want me to send me if you want me to send you my rate sheet just let me know i see that your email address is such and such um so don't say what's your email because it'll say it on there so i just confirm is this the right email for you all right uh denny hankler asks does linkedin make suggestions who you should network with like facebook or does it does do requests only from actual people who want to network with you no faith uh linkedin does have suggestions and it's fun to go through there and see who's there um i connect with lots of people that linkedin suggests because typically they're going to be a connection of someone you're already connected with so that again is common ground you can say oh i see we have so many mutual connections so i talked about common ground earlier and and that's a good way to build that so yeah check out those linkedin suggestions and there's also features where if you're just getting started on linkedin you maybe even haven't created a profile but even if you have linkedin will say do you want to go into can we go into your address book and add people from your address book so if you're just starting your network that's a great way to do it too awesome we got two more questions both from jv martin is a friend of ours here in la great voice actor um if you live in the same town as a video producer as you're likely to do so here in los angeles um and you're courting them on linkedin is it ever appropriate to ask them out on a date no that's not true it says is it ever appropriate to suggest meeting in person kind of like a date for coffee or lunch when when do you cross that line you know i'm just trying to think how much of our world and how much of our business happens online if we want to get if we want to give someone our rates and if we want to give someone our demos it's kind of hard to do that in person unless you print off your rate sheet and bring it or if you put your demos on a cassette tape flash drive whatever but um i i think that in person networking definitely has its value too um i would not suggest to meet in person right off the bat because that's asking for someone's time and time is valuable especially with la traffic right so i wouldn't ask for that right away um as far i mean just follow any social rule that you can think about as far as think about if it's a dating situation and you're getting to know somebody um you have to go out on a first date but for us on linkedin the first date is just exchanging messages um i think you just have to play it by year and see what they're wanting but i think there's definitely value in meeting in person i think it really depends on the situation yeah absolutely uh we got one here from michael tanner says i'm a part-time vo my linkedin profile has stuff about my day job and vo and vo do i need to change my profile to only include the voiceover stuff if i'm prospecting there sounds pretty logical to me that you probably should that's a great question michael and i've been asked that before um i would say think about what is your purpose in using linkedin are you going to use linkedin for your day job i don't know what your day job is um if it's completely non-related to vo then it then you probably it won't serve any purpose for you to have that information um i tell people that you just kind of want to think about who you're trying to reach if your audience is interested in knowing about your day job then that's cool or um but if it really has nothing to do with voiceover and you would rather just make yourself like if your brand on linkedin is i'm a voice actor then own that be a voice actor and don't be i don't know what you do if i couldn't if you sell cars um that's they don't care about that because the producer is not going to hire you based on the fact that you know how to sell cars absolutely well tracy thanks for being with us tonight if somebody wants to get in touch with you or they want to take this course because crimes this is valuable stuff how can they do so well i talked about the course is found at the linkedinedge.com and it'll have some information about it but i'm always accessible to my website is tracylindley.com and i know right that one was available and my name does not have an e my first name is not have any but my last name does have any so people are constantly confused by that but it's t-r-a-c-y and then lindley is l-i-n-d-l-e-y just like you see on my um little your lower third as we go lower third thank you so that's how you spell my name and it's tracylindley.com and you can it's in my email is equally easy it's tracy at tracylindley.com it's so easy to communicate with people these days tracy always a pleasure to be around you and looking forward to seeing you in atlanta and thanks so much for being on our show tonight thank you guys i'm really excited about atlanta too all right we'll see you there all righty well now we just get to wrap things up yeah we got a few little things to hang on to the end of the show here so we'll hang them on there's a place there's a hanger somewhere jack's go we'll put it on that one we'll be right back your dynamic voiceover career requires extra resources to keep moving ahead now there's one place where you can explore everything the voiceover industry has to offer that place is voiceover extra dot com whether you're just exploring a voiceover career or a seasoned veteran ready to reach that next professional level stay in touch with market trends 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is right to transition from isdn to other options like source connect and ibtl oh it's a question yes should we take a hit from josep riano um has the industry finally reached the point at which we can say the isdm boxes are finally not a complete necessity to work with big name agencies and studios um i don't know there are still studios who exist on using isdn they are still hanging on to this arcane technology it is to them the rock on which they hang their production because they just find it to be still to this day the easiest to the use for them and the most reliable so that's why companies like source elements have a way to connect an isdm box to your i internet connection so you have an actual hardware box plugged into an adapter a really fancy adapter that then connects that to your network and so there are people using isdm today um and are going to be using it for the foreseeable future thanks to stuff like vi sdm um it really depends on your clients don't do it joe does don't do it anybody else does do what you need to do to connect to your clients that's that is all that matters really and a lot of them are starting i'm starting to see a lot of them are actually requesting source connect which is which is really great to see uh we also had another question from ronda phillips she says how important is it to get your demo turned into a video interesting question well i mean we we had busy demos with us a couple months ago and they they do that kind of stuff uh seen any trends no we're we're waiting to see i mean i'm i think it's important to have video on your website showing how you sound when you're doing video and how your voice smelled so perfectly with video so yeah again it depends it's we we really work it's we'll watch the market trends and we'll report back does that sound yeah all righty well uh next week on this very show this guy who everybody watches we've got to find out more about him oh you know what tracy is sitting there quietly listening and she's she chimed in on the chat saying it's great for your linkedin profile ah so that i was thinking that i was like go ahead are you still you're still on mic tracy yeah i'm here yeah i think that i was just kind of thinking on the back of my head well i wonder if actually there'd be a good place to have one of those on linkedin i do have a video demo a video demo absolutely yeah definitely definitely thanks bonus all right yeah all right next week that's a good question all right uh on march fifth next monday night the one only mike del gondio the booth junkie and that really is his name mike del gondio ought to be interesting to have a conversation we'll learn more about him i mean we see all his videos and stuff but let's see the man behind the camera he is a reaper aficionado and apparently people love his reaper tutorials all right uh then on march 12th carlos alex rocky yay that's going to be exciting and i'm going to be here for that one too thank goodness i'll be out of town for the fifth i will be uh in colorado but i'll be back for carlos so i'm really excited about all right then on march 19th the one on only dan o day who's going to talk to us about his master class in audiobooks and march 26 dr rena gupta if you've we're at the voice conferences wonderful ear, nose and throat specialist who really specializes in voice actors and vocal performers that ought to be interesting every time we have somebody on talking about their voice everybody is like they just too your instrument your money make up yes we'll be off on april second and then on april ninth tim fridelander who we were talking about earlier this evening we'll be joining us great who are our donors of the week and we greatly appreciate gosh i almost forgot to look up the donations sorry you guys um i'm seeing donations here from one or two new names or maybe i've seen this one before or hey infante or hey the right way to say your name my friend it is uh andrew coughman eric 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um i got approached by a fellow named uh andrew peters he's an australian voice talent and he had me on a show a couple times and we thought you know what maybe fun to do a show together um and he invited me into the fold along with robert marshal from source elements and then a front of his i believe andrew is in melbourne and his the other co-host uh darin is in sydney so we cover australia pretty well that's gonna be geeky it's pretty geeky i mean last week's episode we i mentioned that noiman coming out with the u67 and it basically became a history of microphones robert is incredibly knowledgeable about that kind of stuff he went on and on i mean it's quite we really go down the rabbit hole but there are also interviews with talents and things like that as well so check it out and i think we're gonna be recording an episode at vio uh vio atlantas too cool the show in there in their little booth that they're gonna have i'll get to hang out and see that yeah uh the show logs now we see where the show logs are actually created uh here in uh i just realized i didn't see the name of the dang podcast oh what's the name of the podcast it was right there it's called the pro audio suite pro audio suite the pro audio suite good to know good to know all right but anyway this is jack's closet this is where he watches the show this is where he takes all the show notes so now you know the mystery has been lifted the show notes are great they help you watch the show if you're watching on youtube and gives you all the time codes as to what was said and when that's right and tracy hits it's great stuff tonight so maybe people go what did you say about this it'll be right there you can't beat that uh we house we also have a podcast of our show that's right this show is a long format show a lot of you like to listen to it so if you're a listener of the show and you want to tune in to see who our guests actually what they look like and you want to be in the chat room and make it more interactive be here with us live you can do that um we're on live monday nights at 6 p.m and if you're someone that watches and would rather listen just grab our podcast that's titur and itunes basically any place that plays a podcast any tool any app you can type in v obs you should be able to find us all right uh hey show us your booths you could be on the show too like jack's closet which is actually a very good sounding studio but you know doesn't this look great we're like in all these different studios i love this i love that we get to be in a closet i mean the big cool looking studios are fun but just being in someone's closet is really cracks me up because that's where most of it's real doing that it's where people are working and it's where we're working a lot going into these closets closets absolutely uh hey you want to be in our studio and uh join us here live as we yeah on on on monday night it's our monthly or weekly monday night party not too many parties going on 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letting us be out here in the garage our producer our producer kathryn keridan who's got us a fantastic schedule of guests this is going to be great uh also jack daniel on our chat room duty and of course our floor producer technical director and all-round nice person sue marlino who's been doing a great job getting our show out to you with all these different shots and videos and all those other she takes what we throw at her at the last second that's true that's true uh and of course jack to go leave for the show notes and for sending us his closet and leave penny for being leave penny all righty you know right after the show what we're going to show a video jacob has a new cartoon oh yeah we haven't seen one in a while we haven't seen he stopped doing mug man and he did plants his world for a while and he'll probably still do those yeah but he's got a new one oh cool it's takes place at the bottom of a pond so anyway stay tuned for that right after we get we sign off here so that's gonna do it for us you know this is a tough business voiceover is not easy it's not just reading you gotta know an awful lot we're here to help you be with us every monday night and we'll try and teach you as much as we can i'm dan lennard and i'm george wittem and this is voiceover body shop or vo bs have a great week everybody looks like he needs to refill this can if only we're so dry down here oh hello i don't think i've seen you before can i help you that's a buddy fine-looking garden you got there oh why thank you it's been a challenge to maintain but i'm happy with how it's turning out gonna eat it what gonna eat it uh sir i wasn't planting those to be eaten that was pretty good could use some ranch dressing though i'll be back for more back to square one that's more like it again ah time for seconds don't mind if i do excuse me sir i'll have to ask you tonight eat my plants you forgot the ranch dressing again do i have to bring it myself gee talk about a lousy service around here did that guy just eat your whole garden he did it twice and you just let that happen well uh i asked him to stop but he didn't listen you're too soft pike you're gonna toughen up stand up for yourself and tell him you really mean no i could try that thanks frilligan no problem show that pumpkin who's boss i'm back and i got me some ranch this time hey listen here you little jerk i'll answer don't you lay a gosh darn finger on my garden you don't scare me hey put me down what are you doing this sure ain't good don't forget the ranch that's my ranch was that good frill you're kind of taking it a step back a little do you hear something oh no where do you come from got any ranch