 It's still the rundown and for our final lap of the program, we have Chuck Legend. Yeah, well, are you running down to running up? I'm just running away. A young entrepreneur and consequently an employer of labour. When we were telling one of our producers about a Chuck Legend, she was asking us, is he related to Chuck Norris or related to John Legend? Which are you? Good afternoon and welcome Mr. Legend. Yeah, good afternoon. I didn't quite get to the name of the server. I wanted to know who I'm talking with. My name is Nyam Gul and you're also going to be talking with Uche. Okay, good afternoon Nyam Gul and good afternoon Uche. You're welcome. Yes. To the question, the name of Chuck Legend was just my name. It's from Trux and the fact that I like legends, so I just mentioned it. Legend is stout or legend is people. Okay. So let's start this way. You are an employer of labour in Nigeria and when people are japaing, if I'm to use that in the slang language, it gives us hope. Is there still money out there? I mean, for people like you, who do business? How is the japaing of young persons and even older persons, people generally are just leaving the country. How is it affecting the business climate and how is it treating you? Sincerely, as a Nigerian, first of all, I love my country and I want my country to be better. So as much as to japa is a good thing, but I still believe that after you japa, you still come back home. How is it affecting me as a business person? I would say this is not very conducive for us here. Considering the fact that the government policies are not helping Mata. From the federal government policies to the state government policies, you can just wake up one day and then there's one policy that would happen and then propose your business. So it's not easy, but we have hope and basically everybody that is doing business in Nigeria will tell you that we are working on hope and inshallah. There's a lot of conversations around doctors leaving the country. I'm not asking you because I know you're not a doctor, but that's like the major profession that is being talked about in your area, in the business that you do. Would you say more professionals in your field of business are leaving the country as well? The truth is, yes. I run a tech company, so yes, a lot of them prefer leaving the country than staying here in Nigeria. Because life is better out there according to what we have and everybody wants to get it easier. And then, just like I said before, the policies and all. In fact, as a Nigerian, you wake up every morning and you're scared of what is going to be the next thing that you're going to face. You're faced with amnesia, security. You're faced with our healthcare system is bad and the students are just returning back to school. Hopefully they will stay till they finish the semester. And all of these things are the reason why people are leaving because you wouldn't want your family to come to stay in a place where you don't even know how your day is going to end. You understand? So yes, definitely. People are leaving the tech industry and just buying. But is tech the only business you do? What are the businesses that you do and help us to know how much prospects you will have if they venture into that business as well? Okay. I have a couple of them. Why I mentioned tech is because that was that relates to the Japan issue that we're talking about. I also have a logistics company and I have a distribution company. Basically, everybody wants to have a better life, right? And in a logistics company in Nigeria and distribution company, I would say it's something that we haven't even looked into much. But there's a lot of prospects in it. There's a lot of prospects in it. But the government policy still comes into play. I don't want to start mentioning names, but a couple of months ago, if not years ago, we had a policy that switched the career service system in Nigeria. And who knows what another policy that might come in. But from now on, there's a lot of prospects going into the logistics company. There's a lot of prospects in the distribution company as well. And yes, also in the tech industry, there's a lot of prospects. If I should say this, Nigeria has a lot of prospects, a lot of it. And the fact is the manpower, the government policies, all these things, we can't even say it. We can't even say we don't even know what the next policy is going to be. So just like I said before, just living by grace of God. Yes. If you can be specific a little bit more on particular policies that are breaking your neck as it is, as businesses, not just your own, but the businesses of everybody else, if you were to speak to the president, for instance, or whoever is in charge of making policies for businesses to thrive or otherwise, what would you say to that kind of a person? First and first, accessible loans to SMEs. We have a lot of people with brilliant ideas on what to do. But the accessibility of finance is a constraint to this thing. So if the government can look into, yes, they say, it goes to the papers, the SME has SME loans and all of those things, but if it comes to reality, it's not what is happening in real life. So if we can have those policies that are on paper, if we can have it happen in real life, it will help a lot of businesses. Let me take, for example, the career service. For me to register a career service, for example, in a state like Nogu, for example, I particularly spent more than $500,000 just for registration alone. And this is excluding your bikes, your salaries, the rents and all of those things that come with it. So imagine if I don't have that kind of money, if I am a young person out of school and I just have, say, $500,000 to buy a bike and I'm told I will have to register with another $500,000. You see? Those policies, yes, it goes to go on paper, those policies are there that SMEs have loans and grants, but come to reality, it is not happening. So if I am going to talk to the president or the governor or whoever it is that's in charge, I would wish that we have accessible, have access to these loans, and these loans can be accessible to SMEs like us and startups as well. Today, Nigerians all over the country mark the second anniversary of the ENSA's protest that happened in 2020. And you are a young man. How do you think that whatever happened in 2020 and all the changes that came with it, how do you think it is going to affect the 2023 general elections that are coming up? First and first, was there any changes? I don't think there was any changes after the protest. I feel it was just, we were just disbanded, so that's a change actually. But the main thing, the police brutality is still happening in our streets. Our young boys are still scared to go out. Our young boys see a policeman. The first instinct is to run away. How is it going to affect the 2020 elections? We saw people coming out for Peter Orbee, coming out to rally around Peter Orbee. Young people coming out because that is, he seemed to be the only person that says something that young people can relate to. How is he going to affect the 2020 elections? Young people are beginning to get aware. The awareness is growing. People are now aware that I can go and vote, and my vote counts, and I can get someone that I learned I like to be there in power. So I feel it is not going to business as usual, come 2023. I believe and I hope it's not going to be business as usual come 2023 because young people, the awareness is there. People are beginning to know that, oh, I can actually walk to make my country better and check the number of PBCs that people that will decide for the PBCs and all of the records says it all. Young people are beginning to get aware of this and we are beginning to push for a better Nigeria. So I am sure by 2023, we're going to have something different, something different for what we used to have in the political sector of Nigeria. Alright, thank you very much, Chuck Legend, for being a part of our program today. We hope that your businesses will expand so that you employ more labour because the government now is overwhelmed and you make more money as well. So tomorrow we want to see you on the Forbes magazine without you being a fraudulent person. Like some of the people that we have seen and prayed for and they turned out something else. We are very proud of you and we pray that you continue in what you are doing. Thank you for being a part of our program. Thank you Uche for having me and I appreciate it. You're welcome. Thank you very much. Well, that's about how we are going to wrap it up for today. But just before we go, the federal government was talking about the dam. There was no agreement and in the same breath they said that a dam was opened at 24 hours before they were given that information and all that. The question is whether there was an agreement of a dam being built in Nigeria that would take the water or not. If that is a good solution to the flooding problem, why has the government not done it? Do they have to wait for Cameroon to tell? Exactly. See that this is not the first time that we are having a flooding incident. It means it has happened before and lives were lost, properties were destroyed. So what have you put in place all the way from that time in the 90s? 82 in fact. Well, since they are saying there was no agreement because the talk was about 1977 and then 82 things should have been put in place. But till now, 82 to 2022 is like 40 years. So what is the government doing? That's the question we are just asking. I hope that the dashing house at dam gets completed so that this would be the last time we would ever have to face this type of tragedy. Well, on that note, we are going to wrap it up on the show today. We would like to say it was wonderful having you and we are hoping to see you again tomorrow. Until then, my name is Nyam Gul Aghaji. And my name is Uche Chuku Onod. Thank you so much for watching.