 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go Mind pump, mind pump with your hosts, Sal DeStefano, Adam Schaefer and Justin Andrews In this episode of your favorite podcast, Mind Pump. We took a laugh. I know it's your favorite We had a good time. We talked about aftershave, uh, toothpaste Yeah, why is it burned? Tiger balm and the perception of benefit. Don't put it on your balls Yeah, we talked about pain like what is pain and sometimes there's not a physical reason for feeling physical pain There's a lot of stuff going on. Does it mean it's not real? We talked about it We talked about some cool experiments that demonstrate how the body can perceive certain things and then we get into some pretty interesting conversation about Contest prep should you even compete? Yeah, the the the damage people put their bodies through We talked about what people do with exercise The the the big nose like the big things that people do that tend to slow their Metabolism down little recap on the San Jose pro show. Yeah, we talked a little bit about that and the metabolic damage differences Between men and women. There is a difference. Mmm. 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What's the what's the thought process behind that? Like it's like it has to burn. Yeah, I know Like what it's supposed to help. Well, let me ask you guys this like the alcohol on your well I know why I know why it burns. I don't think I'm putting liquid fire I know but is that really necessary? That's it what is it necessary Is it just like a pain that we've always tolerated like oh, yeah, it should you should burn It makes me wonder if like when you put the aftershave on if it doesn't burn I don't know about you guys but back when I used to shave if it didn't burn. I was like, this is bullshit I'm like this is nothing. Yeah, I didn't go close. Yeah, it had to burn my face. What's it's real But that's it. No, I don't think so. It's the same concept is a toothpaste that bubbles up Yeah, yeah, the more it bubbles up this must be working It's probably and frothy and soap on your body right like you get soap that like lathers up. You're like, oh, it's working good It's lathering up. Do you know how many people trick this all? You know how many people like are losing their minds right now Just realizing what you said because like same thing all of shampoo. Yes, like soap toothpaste the suds Do mean nothing nothing. It doesn't mean you're getting it's more effective Just somebody figured out a way to market it or like when you get like Shampoo you ever get your hair washed at the I know we have an old listener that knows where that started I can't there's somebody who's like 70 who's like I remember out the Doug's neighbor Let's know this Doug should know this. Why did they do that? Why where did that come from? And I wonder if it all started the same time I wonder if bars of soap shampoo toothpaste and The aftershave all put it together on the same time like it was like a company It might you know, it's it's funny because old spice figured it out Spice yeah, they're people like to feel stuff brute. They have to feel something for to feel like it's working. That's true Dude, that's true old man. Like smells. It's the science behind fucking pre-workouts I mean they put fucking niacin cat all the shit that makes you feel a hot Tingly and flush It's like what is it really burning fat or does it just make you feel like that's probably what's in that? You know when you have flakes like dandruff flakes like you have the dandruff shampoo It like burns. Yes. I bet you they just put it in there to make it feel like it burns Yeah, it's all yeah those fuckers So you know when you go to the salon and they wash your hair and it feels like cool Feels the tingle it means it's working. They just put a little menthol in there. It's not really doing shit for you Feeling cool sneaky bastards nice. Yeah, we want to feel stuff. So I remember about Maybe 15 years ago 14 years ago there was this Topical cream that you could buy and Kevin of all people Kevin Laveroni was promoting it at the time and you put it on the God, I just saw this literally yesterday this the old guy, you know the old mr. Olympia guys are the ones that I just saw a page with Flex wheeler and his buddy and I can't think of his name right now he goes all the way back to Arnold Times and he's still competing and He was talking to flex at Olympia and he had the cream You know rubbing the cream on your biceps to get a pump and stuff and I was just like so So this cream was exactly that you rub it like oh, I'm gonna work my biceps today So I'm gonna rub it on my bicep to get a better pump in my bicep And what's in the cream is capsaicin capsaicin. I hope I'm saying it right, which is the active ingredient pepper There was arganine of course have to sprinkle a little arganine because it's gonna give you a better pump It doesn't really work that way And then something else in it that basically makes your skin Red so when you put it on you get like this red feel it wherever you put it You'll get this like red like like not rash, but like swollen effect on your skin Mm-hmm, and and here's what's funny about that like irritating your skin Yeah, if you're really gonna get a better pump on your bicep putting it directly on your bicep It's not gonna help because it's not gonna go to your bicep It's become systemic if you were targeting it bro If you were to absorb anything through the skin that way which you're not gonna absorb arganine necessarily that way But hilarious right because I remember buying actually bought it. I actually fell for it because I didn't know capsaicin burn But I know I rubbed it on my arms and I worked out and they just got really hot and red Remember I remember thinking like this is bullshit the fuck did I just do? This doesn't feel good at all. How many stupid things if we try growing up trying to try to get a better pump or build more muscle What's okay? I was really into tiger bomb there for a minute I'm trying to think of the dumbest thing after workouts and then just rubbing that all over the muscles So that stuff actually that your bomb there that that stuff actually works But it doesn't work in the way that people think it's applied Yeah, people think you you rub it on a targeted area and it like it like goes through the skin Yeah, it penetrates to the bone and it doesn't get it doesn't go that deep It doesn't even go beyond the that was their whole marketing is that it goes super deep No, it doesn't do that what it does do is it it because it causes a sensation on the skin because it the chemicals the chemical composition of things like Menthol Stimulate the nerves and cause a sensation of cold or hot or whatever you're not actually cold or hot But it tricks your body into feeling that and what happens is Because the central nervous system is getting the signal and perceiving it to be cold or hot it interrupts and confuses the pain signal So it's not like curing the pain or reducing inflammation like that It's literally just confusing the signal so then your brain doesn't perceive the pain the same way and you feel relief So it does work in some cases just not so okay and explain that a little bit more So you're saying that when you put that like icy hot on yes, so you're creating a new pain that you're Your your central nervous system is and why that would work is because when you get pain somewhere, right? Like your body automatically is in a scent fluid there right to recover because it senses that it's it's not even It's not even pain because when you rub it on it doesn't hurt It just feels cold But what it does no, I mean an area that you're having all right right you have pain there Yeah, and that's the body's natural response is to send fluid there right inflammation or inflammatory. Yeah, right? So that's what it does so by putting this on there. It creates this cooling process. Is that what you're saying? No, it makes you perceive. Well, okay, so here's here's an example. Here's an example you ever chew Like mint gum or wintergreen gum and then you breathe in and it feels so cold in your mouth Yeah, or you drink like a cold coke or something and freeze a shit at your mouth. It's not actually cold It's not making your mouth cold It's just making you perceive Your mouth to be cold so it's not actually doing anything other than creating this perception So when you're rubbing these lotions or creams or whatever on your skin for pain Because it's sending a signal to your brain and making it perceive differently It actually can interfere with or confuse if you will that's a bad word But it's it's interfering with the signal of pain so then your brain perceives the pain a little differently and For a lot of people that could mean less pain So like we have this so my girlfriend has this I've maybe talked about this on a pocket She has this green oil that She got in because she's to travel with this Cirque du Soleil And so she'd go all over the world and when I first met her she would get migraines sometimes And she had this little tiny bottle of this really potent green oil with all this Chinese writing on it And she dab it and put it on her head and she said it made her headache go away And I remember thinking like that's bullshit and she was like no it literally makes the migraine She's like it's still there. I can still feel my head throbbing But I don't have the pain anymore, and then it came to me. I'm like, oh shit. You're interrupting You're confusing the signal so I did a little research and that's exactly what those things do So they do that makes me think about foam rolling is being yes, you know, it's very similar concept Yes, and that's why it's almost like you're localizing a different area of your body for you know your body to respond to It's sensation wise so it's it's a similar the similar way that I think And I believe Western science will explain Acupuncture this way eventually, but I think acupuncture works the same way I don't think that there's a Chinese chi energy that's flowing through the body and you're you know There's blocked areas of chi and you got to loosen it up, but I think that's the way they explained it That's how they they use their language, but what I think is happening is I think you're literally Interrupting or confusing Signals to your brain so that you then perceive pain differently now. Does that mean it's going to heal you faster? Perhaps the same way massage may my might right because if you're walking and moving a certain way because of pain now You don't feel anymore now you can move and walk differently or whatever and you're no longer Causing the problem or maybe causing the you know, whatever the root issue is that's causing the pain So maybe it's a long-term, you know benefit as well But if you consider the central nervous system is responsible for so many things Then I could see how acupuncture and these types of you know, things may actually have an effect to me that makes a lot of sense when you especially when Justin brings up the Foam rolling and what we know about that and what we used to think about that, right? We should tell people you're breaking up knots But in reality, it's more of a central nervous thing that's going on more than anything else Well, yeah, and like I'll have people who will have like they'll feel their knee pain I'll have a foam roll do a couple stretches now walk. Oh my knee pain's gone You're such a miracle worker. It's like well, I don't think I got rid of the problem sort of bandated it exactly But I think a lot of the pain relief is because we're you know kind of changing the signals that were because pain is all perception Mm-hmm. It's a hundred percent if you really think about it like I've ever done this to yourself Well, you hurt all it's and you don't hurt until you look at it then you look at it Ah hurts so much worse when you see blood gushing out, right? Would you see the blood gushing out all of a sudden the pain comes so they do this famous experiment? Which it's so fucking awesome you can look it up on YouTube doesn't was it? Walter Longo who does who talked about this or who was it guy talked about with the whole snake biting you and the ankle? Oh, yeah, so there's so you can look this. It's very similar what I'm about to say So you can look up this was a study on or as a TED talk You can look it up online, but they'll have a bunch of Subjects or people wearing these like virtual reality glasses and when they put them on They look down at their body and they see this doll So they stay start they look down at their legs and they have little doll legs or whatever because what they did is a Hooked up a camera in front of a doll Looking down at itself So when you look inside the VR and you look around Everything looks the same except when you look down at yourself You look like you're like this little doll right and so that's what you see So then what happens is a researcher and they have you barefoot and everything a researcher will come over and they'll tickle Your foot with a like a feather While tickling the doll's foot with a feather So when you look through the VR glasses you see these little doll legs Getting tickled with a feather, but then you feel that you're getting tickled Oh, shit and what happens is your brain? Very quickly you can do this on yourself if you could get the setup you could actually do this to yourself Your brain very quickly Connects to the doll and perceives that the doll is you yeah So then they'll do all these things to the doll's leg while they're doing it What a fuck up should you just chop them leg That's what they do That's what they do You can tickle you with a feather then also I take a butcher knife and just go whack That's what they do. So they do all these things and really that's a fucked up trick And you're feeling like you're feeling your leg being touched But you see this doll's leg being touched as you look through the VR glasses And you don't even realize that you're totally connecting to it except when you're a kindall and you have no nuts Yeah, exactly. Yeah, and then they take a knife and then they pretend to stab the leg So people kind of flinch and go, oh my god. This is so weird. Ah, whatever and then they actually hit the leg People freak out and when they interview them afterwards, they say literally For a split second. I felt you cut my leg. Yeah, like how fucking weird is that shit really weird? Well, they did that same experiment split with like a false arm. Oh, yeah on the other side They put a camera on it. Yeah, and they hit the hammer on the hand And so, yeah, you're looking at it like you see like it's it becomes your hand Well, so what is so think about this like what does that tell us about pain? That's trippy You know how many times how many times people go because there are real reasons for pain There's definitely, you know, you can definitely have In imbalance serves you injury, right swelling, whatever you can have real root causes of pain But a lot of pain is connected to our own perception and emotion And you know when people are like Like people will go get massage or whatever and they'll get emotions released from having body work or whatever and some people will say Oh, that's ridiculous and hokey. No, it's actually legit. I've had clients who Have worked through emotional issues and all of a sudden no more back pain no more shoulder pain or whatever as a result of it I actually had a client who I worked with for a long time on her shoulder pain Initially when I worked with her horrible imbalances definitely some issues We corrected it all to the point where when we would work out I wouldn't even see an imbalancing more. I'm like your shoulder is working. Well, like everything's working. Well I was very confused as to what was going on. Why she still felt this pain She went to the doctor mri everything everything came back normal And so we started talking about these potential emotional connections to pain And one of the questions I asked her I said, how long have you had the shoulder pain? And she said oh for the last four years And she used to be very active and it prevented her from being active And I said well, how did that make you feel and she's like it felt horrible I felt like I was forced to not do the things that I love to do And so she had this very strong visceral emotional connection to the shoulder that fucked up her life basically, right? And so I said You I wonder how much of this is you perceiving And here's the thing people want to hear that because they think you're saying it's not real I'm like, it's real you feel it The reason you feel it so it's real it doesn't really fucking matter if there is a physical cause or not you feel it And the funny thing is after like a couple months of having these conversations and kind of working through stuff She literally just it clicked and the pain went away It was so weird like literally just disappeared and then it would kind of creep back And then she'd realize that maybe she's perceiving or whatever and it would go away again It's a very very interesting uh experience. Yeah, but uh doctors will prescribe things like antidepressants for back pain that has no You know cause that they can see and sure enough People will respond to antidepressants and have no back pain. I mean, how fucking weird is that? Yeah, it's a trip I love I I mean, I love this kind of stuff because I think it's um It's great because our industry tends to be Or at least the the it's not as straightforward as yeah as you always perceive it to be And I think that's important that people don't just I mean you can get examples and you can kind of make these Uh ideas of where where you think you know Like like this concept's coming from like but a lot of times it's more complex than we can even like pinpoint I think uh when we approach things and say things to people like, um For example, if if you start to understand this process And you tell someone that hey, maybe they're perceiving this pain because of some emotional whatever or some connection to it Like like make sure you let them know if you're a trainer Like that doesn't mean you're faking it or it's not real or you're trying to get attention If you feel it, it's real. You know what I'm saying? Well, we try and create analogies to simplify, you know, things for people And I I think that's half of what we try to do even to to be able to communicate it better But a lot of times it like there's just so many different factors that um, you know, you could keep going down this rabbit hole with It makes me realize as a trainer to because I was guilty of this a lot, especially when I first became a trainer Of not really believing my clients sometimes right you guys ever do that? Yeah. Oh a lot I think I feel like an asshole Well, I think I'll ask is that a lot of what we talk about on this show and and also why we're so passionate I mean recently we just defended uh, paul check on a question and I feel like why that is is because I don't know how many times I was wrong man I don't know how many times that you know, what my client was saying to me or what I was, you know Mathematically adding up it should this is what should be happening. It wasn't true There was always there's always seems to be this exception to the rule, you know more often than not too I think that was what was surprised me after you've Been doing this for as long as we have you've met You know hundreds of cases where it's just like man Just none of the things that I was taught or that I was told Added up for this person and it didn't work There was so much more going on so much to the point where I at least in my experience So so much of the results were psychological like as far as them Getting to the point or getting to their goals. There was so much work to be done Up in their head before they're the physical part, you know, and I think as a trainer that was a major You know Me evolving was learning that and putting that together and going Man, I was so focused on the the x's and o's of training And once I I learned to kind of let that go a little bit and figure out that wow There's so much more That I can help this person with their relationship with themselves the relationship with exercise the relationship with food And as I could start to put that together Things would everything else would start to come together But it took it took a lot of those cases like you're saying that where I was wrong or I couldn't put it figure it out like this doesn't make sense You must be lying to me or this can't be true. Like I know we're working fucking hard If I worked this hard, I would be seeing these kind of sneaking candy bars. I swear Dude, I used to get really mad at clients And I think they were lying and I feel so bad because looking back like I'd have people tell me like sal But I'm only eating 1200 calories. I'm not losing weight But you're full you're full of shit because you're doing this And now of course I know that man the metabolism can adapt and slow down so much I want to hear a trip check out check out what happened to me this weekend. So I shared with you guys maybe I don't know maybe a month ago on on mind pump That I had an old client slash friend of mine in Katrina's that was getting ready for a show And she had hired me a couple years. I think like two years ago to coach her And um, you know, she wanted to get ready for a show that's been on her bucket list Like I want to compete and so it was in the heart of me competing and and coaching and she's like You know, I'd like to do this and I said, well You know, she wanted to pick a show and I told her, you know Listen, the real work is done in the off season And we need to prepare you mentally and physically before we ever even decide and pick a show And I was really adamant about that and she was a friend of mine So I was like, I think whether she liked it or not this is how we're gonna do it Like I remember you telling the story right right. I shared this with you guys So her show her first show was this weekend. Oh, she competed She competed and she hired somebody else besides me, right? And now mind you, I'm not coaching anymore doing that. So and she would have loved to have been coached by me But I still wouldn't have let her because I know that she wasn't ready yet. She hadn't put the work in Long enough and consistent enough to build a good solid frame a good solid metabolism To get her ready for a sport this extreme of of cutting, right? But she did it anyways and she competed and she uh, she looked good She looked uh, she looked better than we had got her to when I had her trying to build her metabolism We never went on a hard real cut I was always trying to fix her metabolism and and and put some good lean body mass on her And the most uh, I think the lowest that I ever got her down to was about 15% body fat And even at that point I still didn't want her to do a show yet So fast forward to now. So she does this show Well, what she decides to do is day before she gets on stage She goes to get her body fat tested, but she tells the guy that tells erin don't tell me I don't want to know what it is until I don't want to fuck with me while I'm on stage But I do want to know I'm in the best shape of my life. So I want to see where where I'm at, right? At and so she and she wants to open it up with me and Katrina. We we go there and she's like, hey, she's like Um, she already got on stage and she's like, I've been waiting to open up my body fat test with you guys and go over it And um, I'm like great. Let's do it. You know, so She was down, uh from the weight that she was with me 25 pounds. So she lost 24 total body weight Yeah, total body weight. So her total body weight she was uh, so she walks around normally at about 155 around that range and so she was down to like one. What is that? Like one one 30 or yeah, right around there, right a little lower than that I think even So she lost 25 pounds during this this prep and we open it up And uh, she's looking over it and I saw I I'm so used to looking at erin's dunk thing So I saw the body fat percentage right away and she's like kind of searching for it And I catch it and like I was like my face. I was like, oh Shit, hey, right and I don't say anything. I let her kind of she finds it and she's like, is this right? Like wait, that's not right and I go. Yeah, no, it's right and she's like I don't understand and I'm like, well, this is what happens when You cut this extreme. So he had her up to three sessions three bouts of cardio a day for her 10 week prep She didn't have she didn't have any fruit. So no fruit for for 10 weeks She uh, the very first week right out the gates was doing an hour of cardio plus reducing calories I think he had her uh, less than 1500 calories at one point And up to three hours of cardio every single day plus all of her training And uh, she came in at 17.5% body fat. She actually high well because she lost shit tons of muscle So she got on stage and competed That's gotta be eye opening at a higher body fat percentage than what I had all that work When I had her eating 2,600 calories Okay, 2,600 calories and no cardio And and weight training. Who is this fuck stick coach? You should shout out to give him a nice little shout out It's a it's a it's a actually a big name pro guy out of new york that coaches a ton of people He came highly recommended from someone else to her and you're an idiot So and more than what was great though Was your suck and what I might do so I and I told her this that she's actually she's actually gonna come in today So you guys are gonna see her today. She's gonna come by today and I'm gonna talk to her about helping her Uh, you know come out of this repair that yeah, because This is what happens and this is what's really scary for and she looks great So if you look I mean she's 25 pounds less, so she's the smallest She's been in forever right so she's a weight wise. Yeah, but the rebound you gotta be careful now Yeah, right. So can you imagine that you lost all that lean body mass? That's the trap Yeah, where all these competitors get into I look so great Dude, yeah, it's it's important. They see that the hormone changes the metabolism changes the changes to uh Everything from you know production of catacolamines to the receptors that these catacolamines attached to I mean you're in a such a damaged state coming out of that is so Crucial because the the what your body what her body's gonna want to do Is blow up like in a big way to the where it's going to be very difficult to get back To where she was before. Oh, yeah, no, this is there's and this is happening all over by you know and When you lose that much weight and she looked good So if you look at her pictures the average person would see that and they would be like Oh my god, they were all everyone's so proud of her, you know, they're which they should be I mean she disciplined herself for that long and she busted her ass To lose all that weight to get on stage and she looked smaller than she's You know ever really looked in the last 10 plus years And so imagine like if you were somebody who didn't get tested didn't have The resources of someone like me who attract her body fat before and because I had her do all that stuff when we when we were when we were coaching and This is exactly why I don't think that people should get ready and go do a show just to do a show Because there's so much work that needs to be done to your metabolism And and your lean in your mass before you want you want to have a bunch of good lean mass And then you want to do it very slow and strategically and this is what happens a lot of these competitors They and then and then they get on stage and they see themselves lean or smaller than they've ever been and in their head They think i'm in great shape You know, i'm in good shape. They think but really you got fatter I mean that doesn't register for a lot of people that you could lose 25 pounds and actually get fatter So people don't understand why so if you took Let's say i'm walking around at my so i'm 100 and i don't know how much i weigh right now 190 something And let's say i'm nine percent body fat. So nine percent body fat Or let's just say 10 and let's say i weigh 200 pounds So I got 20 pounds of body of fat on my body If you took that if I lost 50 pounds of muscle but kept 20 pounds of fat on me My body even though I didn't gain any body fat My body fat percentage went up because now it's a greater percentage Of my overall body weight and this is what may happen She may have in fact She may have less total pounds of fat on her body at this much lighter weight But because she lost so much muscle However much body fat she has is now a greater percentage of her body weight than it was before Well, which is not I gave her the the equation this I said you lost 25 pounds right and of that 25 pounds At least 15 of it was actually muscle 10 of it was fat So you lost 10 pounds of fat which is why you feel better right 10 pounds of fat came off your body So your waist and your legs and your arms and areas that you had body fat You feel better But what you don't realize is 15 pounds of muscle also came off And people are probably going like how the fuck does that happen to somebody who's lifting weights and training and eating good food Let's see here Just just like keep hammering that signal for cardiovascular endurance style training You're telling your body to become efficient with calories It's trying to become efficient with calories and Think about it this way you're spending three hours a day In the gym doing cardio you're feeding yourself very little and you're doing maybe an hour of resistance training Which your intensity is probably bad because you can't train hard because your calories are low You're doing so much cardio So you are sending a signal to keep some muscle But the the signal that's overriding all of that has become very efficient Which your body tried to do by losing 10 pounds of muscle. It's just adapted in that direction It slowed itself down Well, I don't think it's an equal one to one But when you think about it like this to me, it's almost obvious Like if you're spending more time doing cardio than you are lifting weights What do you think is going to become more of a priority? Yeah I mean to me it's kind of obvious like that It's like if i'm spending more time on a treadmill than I am in the weight room Then the signal I'm telling my body is even then I would guarantee that the the weight training itself I mean, there's probably like barely any rest. Yeah, of course. Of course. I'm sure it's all cardio I didn't even yeah, I didn't even ask for that. I didn't have to you know I'm saying I know like everything he was doing already was ridiculous Yeah, and well and the reason why I wanted to share so bad with you guys was that You know People don't put this together because they see the the smaller frame like and had she not done Her body fat test There's a good chance a good thing she did that she would connect that this is the best shape she's ever been in her life And this is what I'm trying to get back. Yes, and this is what it takes to get there when in reality It couldn't be further from the truth. So so I'm gonna say some I'm gonna say some a little controversial here with this because But it needs to be said and that competing On stage and doing what it you know doing these kinds of things Is bad for anybody It's bad for men and for women, but it's worse for women. It's worse for women because the female body Didn't evolve it evolved needing a certain amount of fat on its body And a woman's hormones get affected in a very very big way With extreme dieting and extreme exercise more so than a man's and they take longer to recover And this is evident. Look, you can see this in female athletes who get too lean. They lose their period A man is fertile a man's always going to be fertile I mean you have to do a lot of bad shit to a man's body To cause it to stop producing sperm But a woman will lose her period just getting too lean They find this with fasting although fasting is healthy for everybody There are studies that are now demonstrating that women their ability to Fast for long periods of time without negative side effects is lower than a man's now we can speculate why I mean, you know We can think okay evolutionarily speaking if a man evolved to go off and hunt we probably Evolved to handle not having food for longer periods of time looking for food Whereas the women may have stayed back and you know forged and found nuts and roots and seeds or whatever So they didn't have to necessarily go for longer periods of time But also the the female body Much of The reason why she evolved the way she did is to bear children That's like I mean that's that's really the the defining characteristic of Of humans is that we procreate or at least the defining characteristic of evolution is that we procreate only those of us that procreate Are the ones that pass on our genes and those are the genes that we have now so If a woman places herself in these kinds of positions The body senses that this is not a hospitable hospitable situation for pregnant Whether you want to get pregnant or not It just senses that and it will make drastic changes to your body that are very damaging And so when I've worked with clients men and women who both have metabolic damage 10 out of 10 times it's easier to get a man to reverse that metabolic damage Women take a much longer period of time. We just they did not evolve to Build muscle as easily easily or just get nearly as lean as we do and women can get very lean But again, uh, you know a guy can get down to 4% body fat and get on stage If a woman does it she has to use male hormones and you get all kinds of uh, you know Masculinizing effects and all kinds of weird stuff that happens. So I hope women are listening right now and like You really will well do some serious damage here, you know Staying on the being controversial or probably offending some people. I'm gonna just piggyback right off of that Here we go. Well, it's it's fresh on my mind. It's You just triggered Adam. I well, I just I was I haven't been to a show again since we we stopped by and saw Aria and we saw him for a pro show. So it's different. So I was actually watching mpc and mpc is uh, yeah, you know me mpc is the Is the um amateur level, right? So this is these are all a lot of these people are in, you know, the first first one to five shows Um, or potentially more if they haven't placed in the top five was just like a national qualifier or anything like that No, no, no, this is no no the mp's if it's mpc like that. This is at san jose Um, I don't know if this was a national qualifier. It doesn't matter. It's amateur, right? So and I was telling katrina this why I'm sitting here and I'm watching these girls come out and the class that my friend was in I think she had 18 just in her height category alone the total in the entire bikini class Was somewhere between 50 to 70 women Between the 50 to 70 women that I saw on stage I can count on one hand how many of them I I believe their bodies were ready to be competing at that level And let me let me explain what I mean by that and what's wrong with this fucking sport Is if you were to play, okay, so we we've already talked about that competing is the 1 percent of the 1 percenters, right? Like if you're getting on stage, you're like the 1 percent of the 1 percent competing at that level Okay, so there's it's already a very very small Part of the population Get into that ridiculously low body fat percentage. That's what I mean by 1 percent of the 1 percent And then to get on not only are you a very small percentage of the population But now you're also getting on stage and competing against others that are exactly your height So it's a very very very small sliver of people that this these they fall in this category Now very similar to like basketball players or football players or baseball players, but there isn't any sort of a Filter to get you there and what I mean by that is Anybody and can sign up for an amateur mpc show and say i'm going to do a bikini show And to me that there's a problem with that I don't think anybody and everybody should be able to to play a sport Just because they want to sign up for a sport not at that level Because at that level it becomes dangerous It becomes dangerous and it becomes unhealthy if you don't know how to play the sport, right? And so that's what I look when I and I when I look at these bodies So many of these bodies I saw on stage and i'm going most of these people I can tell by their frame and the way they look they haven't put the fucking work into the gym yet You haven't even built a physique yet But you look cute in a bikini So you think that you should get up on stage and you hired a coach Who starved the fuck out of you and ran you on a treadmill for eight weeks fucking your metabolism up And you have no idea because you wanted to say I got up on stage and I competed or you want to get more instagram likes And so that I have a major problem with that And and people didn't understand when I was getting ready for a show I remember talking to my peers and they were like, why don't you get on stage now? I mean you will do well at an amateur show and I said well, I haven't my body I could not even hang at a pro level when I was first Training to get ready for a show. I trained for a whole year before I even got on stage So a year I spent building my physique now mind you I've been lifting weights for 15 years And I still didn't think that I had built a frame That could compete with the one percent of the one percenters So why would I put myself through extreme dieting to get my get up on stage to present myself? Knowing that I haven't put the real work in which is building a metabolism building a solid frame up before I go Shred and cut down like this. Yeah, and really it's just you're I mean you're trying to warn people Like, you know, it's Here's what I would recommend. I'm not saying don't do it. I'm saying, you know, be careful because Put the work in dude. We've seen some horrible like horrible. Shit. People have done to their bodies And they've done it to themselves, you know through going through this process I don't know about you adam. Let me know what you think about this, but in the past I've had people ask me You know, should I compete and what I've told them is why don't you You Train kind of like you're gonna do a show, but don't actually do a show and take pictures of yourself and just kind of see how you feel Rather than going all the way Just you get an idea of what's going on and you can monitor yourself and see what's happening to your body Well, no 100 that's exactly what I recommend to people is that You know, you should prepare yourself or train as if you're gonna get ready for a show without the pressure of having to Get ready for a show Because there's a lot more that comes with it and this is what ends up happening, right? And this is what these coaches do is they take anybody on because they want to take the money, right? I I want the I want your money. So I'll sure pick a show. I'll I'll coach you along You know, I'll help you out forget that you're not ready for it Forget that you haven't put the real work in for your body forget all that shit I'll take your money And you and tell you how to get ready for the next 10 to 12 weeks Which is basically a hard caloric restriction followed by intense training Follow by a ton of fucking cardio And I know that you know any knucklehead can put together that put that together and lose someone a bunch of weight Just like they did my girlfriend and now she's down 25 pounds But really you did a ton of harm to her body And she has got an uphill battle now Reverse dieting and coming out of this and it's not as simple as oh just add a little bit more calories back, dude And you'll be fine like no it doesn't work that way bro Not to mention the signals that you get post show where you start to feed yourself and then you get this It's ravenous. You get this ravenous hunger to eat Your body is is you're gonna override your logic. I mean logically People don't gain 30 pounds in three weeks. You know I'm saying of just And of eating just horrible food just doesn't happen logically But it happens all the time After the shows on people with small frames, you know I'm saying I mean when we went to the show I went to I've been to a few shows and the thing that always sticks out to me Is when you're walking around and you see these You know these girls sitting on the floor They look like their faces look like they're dying And they're like skeletons and they're like chewing on like a dry rice cake And they don't even have any spit in their mouth because they've probably been restricting water And it's just like oh man. What is what's going on here? Well, it's you're watching you're watching right now when I'm going through with You know prepping myself like as if I'm going for a show and I'm not And a lot of people have asked me are you are you gonna compete again? Are you gonna do this? I don't know. I don't have any real desire to do it But I will tell you right now That my physique isn't even ready for it Like so if I said hey, I want to show in six or eight weeks I can get lean enough for a show in six to eight weeks But I'm not in I'm not in aesthetic shape to compete with the best of the best So I wouldn't do it I can I could but it wouldn't be smart doesn't make sense So I think that a lot of the the bikini mens physique a lot because it's growing like crazy It just blows my mind every time I go to these shows and I see was this one look did this one look massive Massive they're they're all massive and there's just hundreds and hundreds of competitors And it's and I think you know, you hear When I speak passionately about this, it's not It's it's more cautioning people because I know it's the popularity is growing It's not going the other other direction. And so what I'm talking about is getting worse before it's getting better And so I think and somebody asked recently like What does a good coach? You know look like in a good prep look like well before we we pick on the coaches You know, I want to address the things that people people that are listening right now They can control if you're even thinking about doing a show And you've never put yourself in shape And you add to a good enough shape to where you can look at yourself objectively and say hey Doesn't is my physique aesthetically put together and what I mean symmetrical balance Do I have like a judge would look like a judge would look at you Okay, or like the cover of a magazine if you have if you look at yourself and objectively say Where am I at my body my muscle mass? If you're not there yet Then you shouldn't be even trying to pick a show yet You should be putting your time and consistency in the gym training and building a frame and building a solid Good metabolism because and why that's important not just from aesthetic reasons It's important for aesthetic reasons because you're getting a judge by the way you look And your symmetry so obviously it's important for that But even more so it's important for metabolism What I'm doing right now. I was just sharing with Sal before we got on the show And I can fuel my metabolism picking up. I mean I'm now Losing weight off of 4000 calories It only took about four weeks for that of me of getting back into the training volume and increasing all that But that this is all part of the process that I would have to do before cutting If I were to just start cutting for a show four weeks ago Oh man, you'd be down to you know under 2000 2,000 calories Yes, yes for a big guy and I would be starving and my body would be losing muscle mass and I would look terrible I would feel terrible So right now part of me building a frame is also building a metabolism right now I'm building this roaring Metabolism that will now allow me to cut down to 3,500 calories and that will just consistently drop weight Well, it's no different for women. It's just a different number like for me. It's I'm saying numbers like 4000 calories Well, you get these female competitors They hire a coach and they're only eating about 2000 calories a day or less And then they want to get cut for a show like what's he gonna cut you to? You know, he's he's gonna he's gonna cut you to 1500 You're gonna lose the first couple weeks and you're gonna hit a plateau Then what's he gonna do? He's gonna drop you to 1000 calories and you hit another plateau Let me ask you this when people are getting ready for a show Let's say they do like typical what 12 weeks, right? Typically it's a 12 week prep before getting on stage Of that 12 weeks how much of it should feel like shit in other words You know, uh, because I know people who prep for a show and all 12 weeks are fucking nightmare like they're exhausted The last seven to 14 days tops tops. That's it. So if you're listening right now and you've you've done this and your whole 12 week prep was Just a murder hell. Yeah, just a nightmare. I mean murder hell. It should feel you should feel great for most of your prep You should feel great. I can't imagine you should not feel at all miserable until And and and when I say seven to 14 days, I don't I never was miserable I mean the that's just the harder. That's when you start to get hard. Yeah, that's when it's like that That's when I'm like, oh, I'm hungry a lot, you know, like I I really feel like the last Seven days or so of heading into and really it's not the last seven because it's the final three I'm refeeding the body up. So it's like this small window of five to seven days of you know, that last bit because really The the healthy our body is only going to lose about a half a percent to a percent of body fat per week Okay, so you're talking and these are all obviously arbitrary numbers. Everybody's uniquely different But they're it's a good as the good general number to give people an idea of what this should look like You're not losing more than one to two pounds of fat in a week So when you come to your last couple weeks, if you don't look about stage ready already What the what you're going to do in the next two weeks is You're not going to make that much change other you're going to kill yourself you're going to kill your metabolism though by Cutting even harder and pushing even harder inside on the treadmill and and training hell intense and reducing calories You're going to do more harm than you're really going to do good You can't possibly lose that much more body fat in that last week or two So you should already be shaping up the way you should be getting on stage well before that And what sucks with this whole this whole mentality is then when you know, like if I go to coach people and luckily And I don't coach very many people and I've never coached anyone for a show and I refuse to mainly because I don't have any experience doing it You know, so I wouldn't be a great coach for it, but also because Um, I I just refuse to to get someone to a level that I know or do something that I know isn't necessarily good for them Okay, but the tough thing is then when you're working with people And you're working and it's three months now. You've been working with them for three months like, you know Uh, I don't my the weight hasn't really come down that much, you know, and you have to explain to them what's going on because They were so brainwashed to to to to think that you get these Crazy results right off the bat and that uh that people it's all about short term It's all about what's happening right now and not the long term and luckily people know me through the show So they know what my my mentality is and my philosophy So I don't get too much of that, but I still get questions and I can't imagine Trying to be a coach who doesn't have a podcast where people know this Someone hires them and they say, okay cool. Check this out. You're not gonna lose any weight for about six months You're not getting any clients. Yeah, you know, it's almost like you have to do the shitty stuff to keep people happy Otherwise, you're not gonna, you know build a business and it becomes it's it's very difficult It's tough. It's tough for people and it's almost like Who's fault is it? You know what I mean? I mean, who's the blame? Is it the coaches and the trainers or is it the people Who pay for this and who demand it and then you know Are they're happy when they get it and then when they don't get it. They're not happy Right, you know, well, we we had a question in the q&a and I don't know if we will get to it and answer it But a girl did ask me like, you know, what what I thought a you know I talk all this like this is all the bad bad bad. Well, what's a good coach look like? Well, honestly, I I I don't blame the coaches as much because there's I feel like A competitor should know what's good or bad before you hire a coach to get ready for a show Whether that be through that's a good. That's actually an interesting point. So you're saying Don't go into it so blind and ignorant that you just do whatever the coach tells you because you don't know They're gonna try and get you to look whatever best, you know They can in that short amount of time that you're giving them. Yes, you're giving them that amount of time Exactly. Yeah, great point right there, Justin. And that's why I you can't get that mad at these bad quote-unquote coaches because You hired them you gave them a show that you're gonna do in in eight to twelve weeks He's gonna try and get you as small as possible for that show And he's gonna be looking at you week to week and when he sees you hitting a plateau He's gonna make adjustments and he only has a handful of things that he can do which is reduce calories Add cardio or pick up intensity. Those are his three tools that he has in his bag That's it. And when you and when you give him a time frame He's gonna do that and so is it really the bad coaches or is it the bad? You know Bikini men's physique athletes that are hiring these coaches that really don't belong competing at this level yet And this is why you got to ask yourself and this is why My advice, you know has has been More recently as I've evolved as a trainer to try to teach people That when their motivation behind their training and their nutrition is That they love themselves and love their bodies They tend to make decisions that are long term Beneficial and they tend to make less decisions that are short term beneficial versus I hate my belly. I hate my legs. I hate my you know, whatever my arms So i'm gonna go in the gym and say I hate these things about myself And it's a very powerful motivator will get you in the gym if you hate yourself enough it will But the decisions that you'll make Are because they're motivated by hate are going to be ones that are short term not long term the ones that Get you out of pain now Rather than later So it's going to be more your if you go to the gym like if I go to the gym and I hate my body I hate my legs and I hate the way they look and I'm tired. You know, I'm going I'm like god I'm so stiff. I'm so tired, but I fucking hate my legs. I hate the way they look. They're so fat I'm going to beat myself up in the gym. I'm just going to go crazy and go hard today because I hate myself so much Versus You know god, I love my body. I really want to take care of it. I really want to nourish it I'm really tired today. I think I need a low intensity day I think I need to go in and just really take care of myself Two very different decisions based because the motivation was very different and You know, I had a client years ago Good good friend of mine. She's actually a trainer now an excellent trainer But before she was a trainer she was a client And she was uh, just a workhorse She could do she could put her mind to anything and that was part of her Weakness one of her detriments is that she could just outwork anybody So she got to the point where she was running 10 miles uh five to 10 miles every single day Plus weights every single day Plus she was doing Pilates plus she was doing bar classes plus she was taking yoga classes. And so she was Super active all the time and she would get skinny and lean But not as lean as she wanted to and I would have these conversations with her and say look you You need to reduce the amount of activity. It's like this is insane. You're you're active at a pretty high intensity For hours and hours of every day Your calories are really low and you the only you know what you keep doing to try and get leaner Is increase your activity or decrease your calorie? I mean at some point you're gonna hit a wall. There's nothing no You're not gonna be able to go any further and we'd have this conversation this debate about this and we go and go and go well She ended up becoming my workout partner for a little while so ended up working out together And because she was hanging around me so much she started Finally kind of trusting what I was saying and adopting what I was saying And little by little she reduced her activity and the reason why that's a good thing is if she just reduced her activity Point blank. She would you know gain a shit ton of weight. So she took her time And started focusing more on resistance training and started increasing her calories and it took Uh a little over a year It took a little over 12 months of doing this to where You know, she came to me. She goes. I can't believe it. She goes. I'm doing no cardio Barely. I'm just going for walks with my friends. I'm lifting weights with you And I'm leaner. I I feel amazing. I've got way more time on my hands and I'm eating more food She's like this is crazy to me. She's like I didn't realize it like there's no way I'm not burning nearly as many calories And I said that's not true You forget that your body's ability to burn calories isn't just dependent on activity It'll burn it on its own and it'll it'll prefer Depending on what adaptation signals you're sending to have more muscle less muscle to burn more calories less calories And that's really the determining factor the amount of activity that you do Uh and the calories that you eat when you drop them so low will give you immediate results But in the long term your body adapts. It's very effective at doing this it can adapt to trim it I'll tell you what you they did studies on prisoners of war These are you know men who got captured by the enemy and were fed You know 200 to 300 calories a day and yes, they looked like death But they survived on like hundreds of calories a day a couple hundred calories a day Human body has an incredible ability to adapt and so I want people who are listening It will take longer. I'm not gonna lie to you. I'm gonna be honest It's gonna take longer to do things right You're not gonna get in shape for the summer. You know, I'm saying doing it this way like oh I have a month to get in shape for the beach. It's not gonna work that fast Uh, you'll be better off doing the crash diet shit for 30 days, but If you want to deal with this problem for the rest of your life and make it harder for yourself as you get older Every year it'll get harder and harder. I promise you every year You're gonna get you're gonna store more and more body fat every year You're gonna get closer and closer to having health health issues as a result. Whether it's, you know, something severe like autoimmune or just you know chronic fatigue syndrome or whatever You're gonna cause those problems first or Or You can ask yourself every time you go to the gym I'm gonna do the things that I want to do for my body because I love my body And every time you take a bite every time you sit in front of food is this food Nourishing me forget about weight gain weight loss. Is this nourishing me? Is this what my body wants to be healthy? Is this how I love feed my child who I love Uh, which by the way sometimes you do that It's easier because we can do things for our kids that we tend to be blind for ourselves, right? Would I feed my kid this way? Would I tell my kid to just restrict their calories like this when I Talked to yourself this way. It might take you a year. It might take two years But here's the result of that Uh, effortless effortless lean effortless Muscle health It'll be you'll just walk around and exude it. It'll be who you are and I promise you it's possible It's possible to get there. It just takes a long time. It takes a while You got to be cool with it. You got to stop fucking hating yourself But when you get there boy, is it fucking awesome? It's it's a great place to be because it's no longer Imagine you think about this right now for those for those you this is resonating with think about this right now How much of your day? How much of your week? How much of your months? How much of your life? Is consumed with worrying about how you look worrying about you have to take in so little calories I have to work out all these hours because I hate the way I look how much of your life is consumed without now Think about how much of time that takes away from your friends your family your personal development Your growth as a human being you are literally Creating all this is a detriment to your life now think of when you eliminate all that when you eliminate that Incredible stress and worry and and and just it's just consumes your day eliminate that What can you do now? What are you capable of doing now? And you would be you'll be shocked you'll be shocked at who you become Through going through this process and doing it the right way but give yourself some fucking time Give yourself a little patience because it does take a little while well when we talk about Contest prep type stuff. It's it's funny because it reminds me a lot about When we first came out and we talked about Crossfit and so everybody was like oh mine pump doesn't like crossfit or we're ants I'm like no dude. I actually really love crossfit. I like crossfit and it's a very similar relationship that I have with bodybuilding They're both sports And they're both for elite level athletes They really are and the biggest problem I have with both of them Is people that aren't ready for it doing it. That's it I mean, I think there's definitely some dudes that are amazing and girls that are amazing to watch do crossfit And I'll tell you right now the ones that are what you're we're watching on tv that are killing it Those people were they have been training their whole life And they're most of them are genetically built for it And it's the same thing goes for bodybuilding when you see some of these like specimens up there and just amazing Physiques they didn't do that after a one or two shows they've been training for a very long time to get that way and so I I have I have a problem with Doing bodybuilding doing crossfit to get in just good shape Which is what the average person signs themselves up for either one of those now What do you feel it's a problem like having this new category of physique in some of these bikini Uh categories where it seems like that's a lot more achievable And it's almost like they can achieve a certain look by just pretty much starving themselves versus You know building up like the the bodybuilders of old really had to You know put in the time to to build and develop that size Well, what what I'm seeing is and what I saw at least last night what I saw Was the girls that took so there was a class like for example the the class that my my girlfriend was in Uh, there was a class of 18. I believe for her her height and the top five girls They all looked like they had been training for a while all the rest of them for the most part didn't So It's still You're you're they're probably you're not going to win a show that way You're not going to come in just by starving the body and win a show unless you genetically have it already right because some We know we all know girls that have got these just Symmetrical bodies have a mesomorph kind of type to them already and then if you shred that girl down and die at her She's going to look pretty good on stage. So again, we always talk about genetics play the number one role Right, so if if you're genetically built to be a bodybuilder and you just you know cut down really hard You could get on stage and actually do pretty well But what I saw was a lot of you know cute girls That look cute in a bathing suit That you know decided to sign up for a show and compete with these other girls And the ones that take the the trophies and win Have obviously put the work in now adam I Don't have the experience in this world like you do not even close But i'm going to make a speculation and let me know if you think i'm on the money with this I would say because you're we're talking a lot about being ready physically For these shows But would you say that the mental side? Yeah, a bigger piece would be would be being ready mentally 100 percent Because I could imagine someone I feel like that's the biggest mental sport There is dude think about imagine if you're a person going into because I don't look I had body image issues when I first started lifting weights Boy if I competed in bodybuilding how much worse they would have been exactly you know, I mean Yeah, having somebody judge and evaluate you like and you're putting yourself out there You're already insecure and they're just hammering on things that you know They're pointing out that you're already insecure about that's that's the mind fuck that's what i'm thinking What's his name? Insecurities are more prevalent in bodybuilding than I think any other sport. I've ever seen yeah for sure. I mean Most of what can most of what these these guys and girls What drives them to keep going is that is that insecurity of Not looking a certain way or wanting something so bad. So Yeah, no the so it's like you have to have you should have a healthy I mean ideally right god, they'd have like no competitors Yeah, but you should go in having Healthy body image issues. Well, let's be healthy connection. We're talking about we're talking to mind pump people You know I'm saying there's gonna there's gonna there's plenty of idiots that are going to continue to do that And they're gonna their their business will thrive NPC IFBB is not going to go anywhere WBFF all those Federations are going to do just fine regardless of what mind bum has to say But I hope that I can I can impact some of our listeners Positively that I love the sport. So I sound like I'm I'm bagging on it because I love it I might do it again. You know I'm saying like there's I do just like I feel like I talk about crossfit Is that I think there's a lot of cool things about it. It's just I think what's happening is A lot of people are trying to do it for the wrong reasons. They have a misguided view of what it takes Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I have an idea. What if god this may there may even be a market for this where People who get ready for shows they hire a coach who does their obviously their training and their you know their diet and stuff But then they hire someone who they can check in with Who they give the ultimate power to where they say look If I start to get if my image if my body images just get too bad If I get if I start to psychologically you see that I need to back off Or I need to stop or I need to eat more whatever I need your input It might even be wise to have a second person who that's their job Like they're the ones that are like, okay My my goal is to make sure you stay healthy And my goal is to make sure that you go into this and come out of it Without horrible, you know horrible psychological issues or or or even damage to your body Afterwards there may even be well, I would hope that I mean the coach should be able to do that We've kind of created, uh, you know, not intentionally, but we kind of created that on the mind pump forum I mean we have so many Aspiring competitors and current competitors on our forum that you know They use they use the forum as a place for moral support and checking in What do you guys think am I doing this right? So we've kind of created that through mind pump already, which is kind of unique So if you're somebody who's aspiring to compete one day or in contest prep with potentially another coach I mean feel free to Join in on the forum and and be a part of that because there I think that's a great place for that I think it's a little crazy to have to pay two different coaches I got one coach who's telling me bad shit than my other coach who's trying to keep me I don't know man. I'm just thinking like what how could we possibly Because I feel like I could help people but you know doing that on the flip side Uh, I probably wouldn't end up telling most people Well, you know don't do this I feel like you'd be a good coach if if you you know They're going along the process you start seeing the signs and then maybe help you sit them down Well, even even sort of restricting them from going you know entering into the show and like going to the next show You know sort of like well, you know, we're not hitting our markers and and you're not doing that in a healthy way So let's let's let's draw this out a little further You know what what makes it really bad too is that and what happened? This is uh happens a lot Is these coaches even big name good coaches right that everyone knows really well They get you know 20 30 40 competitors, you know per month that are hiring on them for their services and What ends up happening is Some of them have great experiences and the ones that have great experiences typically are the ones that are genetically built for the sport or to Have built a really good frame and have potential to winning and the coaches put all this extra f which is funny The ones that are most ready To win and do well need the least amount of coaching need the least amount of coaching But they get the most amount of coaching and help because the coaches See the potential in them and go like a brand. That's a first place winner right there I'm going to attach myself to him or her Yeah, because I know they got a winning physique and then the ones That are getting involved in the pro maker that probably shouldn't be getting involved Are are getting the least amount of help when those ones Are the ones that are are most at risk and need the most guidance Get kind of thrown to the wayside because I'll tell you and I've said this before in the show many times I can look at your physique and tell you if you're ready. I can see way before a show I can look at your frame and go like you've got what it takes to place in top five And so can any other really good coach He knows now he ain't going to say that to you if because he wants your money I would because I don't give a shit. I'm not coaching anymore So I would look at someone go like, yeah, I think you're ready to do a show This is how much you're eating right now. This is how you're not doing any. Oh, yeah, you know, you're ready you you you definitely are in a good place to try and do something like this and Reverse is true if you talk to me and told me I'm doing this Adam. I've done that and I'm looking at your physique And I'm going like, yeah, you're just not there. I would say you're not ready yet You're not ready for a show, but that's not what's happening. What's happening is we're taking everybody's money And the ones that I already see have the real potential. I'm putting all my energy in them Because they they're going to represent my breath and the rest of them just like I just start myself Yeah, exactly the rest of them just keep running. Just keep cutting their calories Had more cardio, cut them up there and kind of do your thing in a picture She'll be down 25 pounds if I keep starving Everything's a nail when all you have is a hammer right here. I'm saying on the 13th We are having a free live Webinar where it's an event Me adam and justin and dr. 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