 Welcome back to the Breakfast in Plosivia, Africa. We head straight to a second conversation. Now, the question that's been put out is whether or not it's going to be a thought-force. A former Karnus state governor, Rabiu Konkwisou, has rolled out the possibility of the Labour Party winning the presidential elections in 2023. Konkwisou, who is contesting the elections on the platform of a new Nigerian people's party after hopes have been raised for Nigerians being entrusted in the outcome of the talks between the Labour Party and the NNPP. Konkwisou has proposed an alliance with the presidential candidate of Labour Party and a former governor of Anambra State, Pitao B, whom he wants to be his running mate in the poll. According to him, I believe it is the interest of Labour Party and the NNPP and even in the interests of this country because Labour Party is a stance that certainly cannot win elections. So, the former Karnu governor, yes, it cannot win elections because mainly the support is mainly in a particular zone and not spread and the figures there cannot earn anybody a presidential seat in this country. Konkwisou is hopeful for an alliance, that's what it is. He explained why he cannot be running mate to Pitao B and why the letter should accept the vice presidential slot. Now, according to him, it's that he has built a structure over time. If he accepts to become a vice president to Pitao B, then the structure of the NNPP will just collapse. We have Nika Goulet, a public affairs analyst, who joins us this morning all the way from Benway State. It's good to have you join us. Thank you very much, Konkwisou. Nice to meet you. My name is Messi Ebokbo. Let's get straight to it. Now, what do you make of the situation? Nigerians were really hoping that we will have a thought for us and there were a lot of conversation coming from the NNPP as regards, oh Nigerians will be satisfied with the outcome of the thoughts that we're having with the Labour Party. And here is what we're looking at, a proposal having Pitao B to become a vice presidential candidate for Konkwisou. But what do you make of all of this? Thank you very much for the question. And this is a very interesting development in the political landscape. We are going to be witnessing this type of run-off to the 2022 elections. I think Alahati Kompas Pitao knows that his is dead on a friday night. Because a Pitao B standing on the Labour Party presidential candidate has a better chance of making a new part of the presidential candidate than standing as a vice presidential candidate on NNPP. I think a lot of people are giving too much credit to Konkwisou. I think Konkwisou is not a big and complicated fact on the 2023 election. Because in the North, Konkwisou can claim to have a protest in Karno but if in that Karno, Konkwisou does not control Karno as we speak today. Karno political structures are in the control of Kuala Lumpur, who was Konkwisou's deputy. Both may have a sense for it. And Ganduja is in control, Ganduja is sitting in Karno and Konkwisou is in NNPP. So we can be talking about Konkwisou making a new part if this was Karno politics. Hopefully it can be Nigerian politics. What has Konkwisou got to do with the other program which Konkwisou is not? Even in North Central, not West, not Central, I think Konkwisou's proposal does not carry weight, but not in water. Peter Obie is going to reject it and I believe he is not a beast to show to me for a white racial candidate, hopefully not. So this is my view about the development. Well, so just before we begin to look at the reasons why Rabiu Kwankasou has said that it's almost impossible for the Labour Party with her candidacy to become win an election in Nigeria and the reason why he cannot heed to all of that. Do you think there's going to be a thought force? How many moments just before 2023 elections do you think we're going to have a measure? Is there going to be a thought force in 2023? The reason why Karnkwisou cannot win an election, all right, I cannot let them vote, is because they do not accept the agitation decision by Karnkwisou. In the past, we have experienced what they thought were still the modern generation and they had thought going to build behind a self-internet in the place that an self-internet would be frontier than the future of transition. And in fact, Karnkwisou is very wrong in thinking of many things. The first one is that, that, if there will be a South Indian or any South Indian government become the president of Nigeria, we do not want the country to be transferred to the South East. It's easy for Nigeria, for South East to be independent. They have to form a constitutional process. And the first thing that comes in your hand is the cost of South East, not Nigeria. And I mean, what benefit? You say Peter will be now becoming president of Nigeria and not deciding to pursue a South Indian agenda to cut South East point of Nigeria. That's the second one. The second one is that, what comes in your hand is that everybody in the North Indian is not thinking like him. But I don't think it's like him. I have good benefit. And speaking to you guys, I'm from Hong Kong with benefit. I am in Northern Nigeria. My vote comes right as a Northern vote. I don't have the same ideas. I think that the South Indian cannot have the idea of modernity. I would back a South Indian if I believe that we have to go to Nigeria. And I think if the view is cared by a significant number of voters in North. So what we talked about the test was very simple. If it is wrong, then it's a very systematic approach. Systematic and strategic. Why? Because with a non-negotiable presidential candidate from the South West of the KPP, people with a significant number of questions was given. We draw a significant number of other questions. But if you have not sent a South Indian, South South votes, that we most likely back a test vote. Particularly in the person of which there will be. And there are some of them not in votes. They are also backing him. So I think it's a very positive test. Let's also look at other issues that the NNPP has actually raised. One of it is the fact that the former governor has claimed that the South East is good in business, but poor in politics. And the region which lost out on presidential and vice presidential candidates of both are progressive and the PDP would actually stand a better chance with the NNPP. Now, the reason is that he's saying that, hey, as much as it's okay to have people, I mean, the president from the South East, it doesn't matter where the president comes from, but you need to also look at strategy and politics, equation and calculation. Do you think all of these factors matter right now as we speak as a country? I think what was once an over-plotted view of the NNPP. The NNPP as it stands today cannot even state its Nigeria. Not a single state. The NNPP will struggle to get on half the vote in even 30 states in Nigeria. Even in the NNPP cannot state what is the focus of strong conflict. The focus of strong conflict is not likely going to win an election there. So, this issue of his saying that the South East has to admit it. It's not correct that people will be standing in the Liberal Party. In mobilizing women, the Liberal Union, the Student Union, all of those people who are angry and being let down by the current government. It mobilizes all of those groups together. The question about NNPP is that he is a new face in the political question that can be put to governance. I cannot see why he got up in the presidential election on a third vote. At least once in a month. At least once in a month. Again, some of these chances will be better. So, I think once ago, I don't want to call him a noise maker, but I think he is giving himself too much credit. He does not have. He is not a political post in Nigeria. He might be a political post in Kano, but certainly not in Nigeria. No, but like you have mentioned that the NNPP cannot win an election in Nigeria. This is what you have said. We are looking at the party. We are saying, hey, we don't want this party. The structure would collapse if I take the ticket to become a vice president to Pitao B. Do you think that the labor has what it takes to win an election? And if you answer, yes. How come we didn't see that in the AKT elections? And should we expect the labor party to win in Ogun state? So, one person has a better chance... I'll show you state, I beg your pardon. One person has a better chance to be in the presidency as a vice presidential candidate on the labor party. No, no. NNPP, one person himself. So, if he is not on the NNPP, he is going to be out. But the question here is that the labor party can win presidential elections in Nigeria but under certain conditions. And those conditions are that, not to give me, INEC has given about six, seven months between a budget of candidates and actual votes in February. If the labor party gets to work and there is labor party at every polling unit, world, local government, constitution, federal constitution, state, revolution and the entire Nigeria, mobilizing people, the labor party can do what the executive party did by managing and doing what comes in the U.S. presidential election. Remember that Donald Trump had 74 billion votes. 74 million is the highest number of votes that even the American presidential candidate has. The Democratic party went and got a 12 billion other voters to come and say no to Trump. And I think that Trump lost even in 74 million. So, today we have the big parties, Philippia, everything. If the labor party actually gets on the ground, they are not doing Twitter, Facebook, social media. They actually get to the ground every day, every hamlet, every polling unit, every people in Nigeria are mobilizing people to come out and vote this ticket that is only way better than the election. And it's possible, but there's not a word to them to do. So, in other words, you're saying that the NNPP doesn't really have what it takes. I'm trying not to use that word. It's become very popular in, you know, the political sphere. The word is structure. So, you're saying that the NNPP does not have what it takes to win an election in Nigeria. And you're saying that the labor party... The NNPP is very troubled to win a presidential campaign. Not to talk about Nigeria. The NNPP is the right way. It has nothing to win a presidential campaign. It cannot even... I don't think the NNPP can even win one million votes in Nigeria. And it will not be NNPP. There's nothing like the NNPP. If I come here, the better way I'm thinking and you talk to people about the NNPP, they don't know who it is. I think, you know, they don't know who it is. So, I think it doesn't have to be about the technology. But it's just a right way as far as the 2023 presidential election. I personally think that according to the spoiler, you know, what person belongs to the people from a faction of the People's Democracy Party, which... what's his name? You say you're a people, I said so. You know, and there are people who are in that group. Like, Kinubu was back in that group. Tiku was back in that group. What person is working in that group? And then he's going to step down from... because he himself knows that he doesn't have the opportunity to put a presidential campaign in Nigeria. Well, Nika Gulu, thank you so much for being part of the breakfast this morning. Unfortunately, we're out of time. If it's like one word talking about very sensitive and very serious issues, we have limited time. Nika Gulu would definitely talk about this as we perceive in the course of the day. Not necessarily today, but some other time. Thank you so much for your time today. Thank you very much, and I want to tell Nigeria that voter registration is still going on. Let's run it up a bit. Very important. If you haven't gotten your PVC and if you have issues getting your PVC, it's also required that you visit the website of INEC to get all of the necessary information that you need because beyond all of the talks your PVC is very important. And also, when it's time to vote, it's important that you go out and cast your vote. And that's it this morning. On that issue, when we come back, we'll be looking at our shown state as I decide INEC is going to conduct a mock accreditation for the electorates. Please stay with us.