 of the September regular meeting of the Rochester Stockers Unified District Board. His adjustments to the agenda, thus to add communication and outreach. As an inspector, ma'am, please. I want you to see your privilege. Oh, he's done that. Yeah, no, no, absolutely. We can certainly, well, she's just listening. Go ahead. Okay, most information. Yeah. So that, we're by that grant, but we have three to apply for like South Wales and Cumbridge, Sharon, our one group, Chelsea, and Newton, our one group, and the old. They're dropped down to 85% year five, 75%. So we're into $40,000. So, and what we've done is we've sent this on to Chelsea and Newton. The state prepared for them. But so now that we've lost that $40,000, you know, it impacts. We have to write the grant this year. So what I've done over the years, all of the other sites, the non-Chelsea, what the state wants to see is continued sustainability. So I've kind of lowered that. So now we're only at about 40 cents for $1,000. We could up our 40% of the other sites. We wouldn't let me adjust the asking for the thing to think of as a board, and I'll be addressing that with administrators. It's just do we want to continue with a proposal that would continue our current program address. Okay. So this is the year I'm writing the grant. I want to do it for another five years. So if there's something that we want to, one thought I did have for Stockbrook Rochester is maybe expanding to a $5,000. I think that probably, yeah, we do have a really nice start time until today, the day after Labor Day. So that cut three days to March. We still have to, you know, send all that money. We still are looking at that for a match. So I think we do have to be careful. And then the other cut, we are, of course, having enrichment teachers come in. That way, we're going to have three 10-week sessions. So there's going to be pretty much 10 Mondays, 10 Tuesdays. We don't think it's going to be happening between sessions. It's just free choice. Yeah, the program will be running, but it's kind of like, we'll have to see more of those cuts. Maybe write the grant, decide whether we want to add that back in. Or if we look at using that money to expand our summer program. So I think it'd be nice to, when are you intending to write it? February. So we have some time to be nice to, if we could, at least see if you put it in and put it in the school newsletter. See if there's any interest in parents coming in and having a conversation. So we can get there. I personally, I think, especially when my kids are going through Stockbridge, we have half-day kindergarten. So there's always child coverage even with my wife. I think it's a wise idea to say, we ran back some of the enrichment activities to maintain for the summer, you know, would be... One of the realities is, especially in the choice town, is that one of the things families look at is, if I move into here, is it going to help with my child care situation? You know, I think that's a lot of money. Thank you for bringing to us this tour, and at times we have a chance to consider, you know, some way to use this community outreach and get there. Is that something that you would want to participate in or help with? Or should we just organize some conversations and go back? Reach out to the administrators and ask that it can be formed to help support the grant writing process. I mean, it is like a whole... It's due in February. I start tomorrow. It's a big process, and it does determine what you're doing for the next five years in the summer and after school. So maybe if you can give all the administrators some talking points and they can facilitate that, I would say you're going to meet different facilities and have them, but then you can set the administrators up to facilitate that conversation. And by the time we can get a community conversation set up, they can be prepared to all be asking the same question, consistent information to all in the same site, to all be sharing the same enrichment resources. There's problems in the economy, there's a scale of everything. Maybe outreach and then ginger is that way. I'm wondering if this might be more of a continued conversation with Bonnie, but I don't know if I'm going to just make decisions and put it off to the families, and I fully understand we need to have them commit to the grant. We've never had that before. We've just taken care of it. We're flexible about figuring out a schedule about maybe just say Friday's an option, but I guess I'm wondering what the loss would be and that would be the potential pitfall. Not making that, you know, so that I can be home looking it up. It'd be some flexibility. I don't expect us to go back to that wishy-washy, like, today's, but maybe if you set up school and look at what the need is, you know, I'm sure that Bonnie does, you know, what you do in Stockbridge, but I think all of the pre-pay teachers do some sort of assessment. So could the pre-pay teacher assess the students and make a recommendation, say, you know, if your child is not at Target, we're going to recommend that you do a test, or something like that. Specifically for kids who have researchers really clear that these kids, especially those that you're talking about, maybe a lot of days and a lot, you'll do a lot of graduation, and you don't have those kids there, and you want to go on teaching, and some of them, and some of them are not there. I think there needs to be a system. Certainly. So you know who to expect, but and I wouldn't want Fridays to be just for the kids that are below Target, but rather there'd be a recommendation. For instance, we have teachers who recommend kids for the academic tutoring in the summer. So we only, you know, we've got the tutoring for counselors that recommend your socialization. So we recommend to those parents that they do the summer camp. But of course we've got a lot of, you know, I don't like to misuse your words, and we're talking about something totally different, but just stop with me. I don't think we want to put this into place that keeps families, that close families apart. I don't think that, you know, we should value, you know, those families that want to be required. I just feel like they're in a system for so long. I just really think that there should be a little bit of flexibility. Kids start kindergarten. It's full time. For the next little while for start-bridge. We've already had five days a week. It would then mean that there would be an unequal program which would be open for all kids at start-bridge. It would not be open to all kids at Rochester, and I don't think that's a good idea. I also look, I look briefly at the principal's report. There's a waiting list. It's 12, four-year-olds, and there's a waiting list for three-year-olds. So it doesn't seem as though parents are having difficulties. Anybody feeling a chance? It's not that I don't love it. In fact, you know, I can fill that Friday until 1.15 million easily. I think where I'm coming from is just, is it better for her to be in preschool with me? I'm coming up with me, you know? But that's who, that's who, you might decide, no, I'm not going to keep for five days a week. But that's your decision. But that's something that is out there that is best for the whole community. And based on research... I know what this is like. A one is basically a one-sided all sort of scenario. I think in talking to the parents right now, I don't know all of that. But I can think of three parents who feel the exact same thing as I do. Even now, that's what we care about. We express that. Well, it's a new program, and you know, like anything you're doing new, I think it's important to, you know, running for a while, stop and take a look at it. I mean, you know, one of the... It's sick every Friday. It's certainly out there as an option, and, you know, could there be flexibility in the conversation? I don't know, I think it's worth, you know, again, there's a difference between, I think, a parent that wants to do, you know, personal enrichment with their child, whether it's, and we've had parents talk with you and take their kids' scheme to scheme-crolling and then get them to associate with these. One of the things I worry about, though, is the whole, would it be unbalanced? I mean, it would seem to me that if a couple kids were pulled out every day, you still have this, you have more of a commonality of dynamic than you would if everyone had optional Fridays, and there were just the four kids left there on Fridays where the teacher's like, I really can't advance anything I'm studying because 60% of the kids aren't here. Yeah. So, but certainly, you know, I think it's, you know, I would ask you, let's stick with it for, you know, for a period of weeks just to see how it rugs out, but I think it's certainly something to be worth considering, whether it's, you know, whether it's a fixed policy up to 5 to 4, whether it's you can come and have a conversation and you say, I would like to take my kid out for a day versus you can always have a day off. When our family applied specifically and said a math for a week or four, I think you should always have a commitment of a certain amount because no matter what kid it is, we're not going to get anything to control if they're coming one day. Well, I think you really have to be here at least, at least a day at another time. But I certainly think we I think it is a huge improvement from where we were last week and the last year's schedule might have been I won't even say it's better for my family because they're 11. I worry about those families that are like 9. So I'm a decision to, there wasn't a lot of need I took out. And, you know, I'll be very honest, I've said a strong message that the 4-year-old program is this and the 3-year-old program is this. But because of the time to prepare for it to aim this point, we haven't actually said to anybody you can't come if you're not going to show up on Friday or if you're not going to show up tonight. So, I do understand that we have to sort of walk through this first year kind of carefully. It's probably, it's certainly a reason the board has to consider. It's by no means the most important reason. One of the reasons for the five days is to get the 25 hours and then you just fire up the brand if you're going to get subsidies or you're expanding program. There's a 25 hour minimum and there's no way to get 25 hours in 4 days. So, if a lot of folks there's a lot of other reasons why they don't necessarily think you should run it as a 4 day program for 4-year-olds, but if a lot of folks opt for the situation of where they have to provide more money to operate the programs because when you let your losing money in your brand, 25 hours a week to be a subsidized preschooler. But I do understand and I welcome any parent that wants to come and chat with me to come and chat. The only thing I would say I'm committed to holding this notion and I'm glad to recognize it so much better than last year because to have a different group of kids every day is almost impossible for Lauren to teach because you've got, you know, these 13 this day, you've got a different 13 the next day, but you've got a different 13 on the Friday. So that's really, that's difficult for her. But I will say on a positive point, so I'm going to talk about that later, but Lauren made a comment today that the expanded hours not only does she feel less stressed, but she can see it in youngsters. There's now time to really play. The extended day I started from two and a half hours but I think it's great. And I sat in a 4-year-old lunch the other day and if anybody wants to have a treat I'm going to have lunch with 11, 4-year-olds in one. It's just that, it really is just... The Consent Agenda, we had minutes from Thursday June 5th. Any discussion of the minutes? I'll have a second in front of them. I would entertain a motion to approve the minutes as presented. For a second? Second. Okay, any discussion? I have two new staff members in our office just as that's what she came to me. She didn't have the time to be rejected in the 5-29 half. Revenue projected from high school kids and we closed our, we closed our kids out. Yes, we just get it at the end. Age, our food service financial which is probably more detailed than you guys have ever seen, but I've spent elbow deep in food service for a long time for this school that I used to provide at the Fransana. So Rochester's food service program looks like a high school. There's a 75,000 with 75 brand subsidies. But we did subsidize it, okay. Yes, so our goal is to continue to get subsidy and I can't make any promises but we see some places where we can start making some inroads. I don't know if it will make up the whole 70,000 in a year. It's a role that we've been going through for our subsidy and it's always an issue. So we've been working for the past couple of years to get this better. What we got on this FY 18 is what we're carrying. Basically we're going to continue to get slightly lower, not completely familiar with this law school's grant. Right. We're going to continue. Well, it's under 56. So it's a difference of 1600 bucks. It's not huge, but just to kind of understand and move forward. Now I thought one thing that concerns me on the Rochester side of the revenue page, the transportation grant was really kind of underestimated. I did catch that and I really hope that they ought to have some insight on what was really pretty fixed. That wasn't something that should have varied that much. So why are you looking at the state and the transportation? If you could just explain what that is to me, I honestly that's the money that the state gives you a certain amount of your transportation costs. Right. And usually, if you look at the Stockford side, it's off by $12 or something like that and that's usually the variance I'm used to seeing is that $65. We spent $65 more, but we got $65 more from the state of the thought. I've never really seen They do buy expenses over the last, you know, there's a fucking fit. I don't think that the Rochester transportation changed and we're in a fight with Burma We can certainly check in to make sure One of the things from the play impact that is, I believe when this original budget of $30,000 was set, the Rochester middle and high school program was still in operation. That's correct. In that summer, they closed and offered choice, so we were transporting a lot more kids transportation for our choice to get to another high school. You can only bring kids it's illegal. If you provide transportation for any choice child to a school of their choice, you have to provide transportation for every choice child to the schools of their choice So the way it always works is receiving schools will try to bring a bus near like that's why Ripton was sending me down for a while or whatever military Woodstock always talked about getting closer to us but never did, so all our kids go for like a 7-8 and pick up a 7-15 and do it in Barnard but it's depending on the receiving school sending transportation because they have big names receiving one bus to bring kids to their school wherever they want. But it's a set formula of fine that gets the inverse to us. I think it would be something different. Make sure you check to make sure that's a real fine. More revenue. We're already 60 grand in the whole. Woodstock in Rochester and only $3,500 in stock. We were $58,000 surplus in expenses but we have a $118,000 deficit in revenue. So a total of a year. We started with $60,000 deficit and stock was just $35,000 in the green or black that's not good. Why are we in the red? We were told we were not in the red. We were quite on the other side. There were special ed costs that weren't built to be in right. I think it's really preliminary. We have a little more time. We're here for share of positions assessment. We spend at your side. We can tell you what we spend. What we can never tell you is what revenues you're going to be until it's already done. You're right. They move very rapidly. What is the presentation? We're usually pretty on target with that. The special ed assessment is likely to change. Yes. To lower. Yes. It's about to zero. The difference is $2,156. Yeah. But are we able to because we funded the lunch by more than needed and that $27,000 comes back into into our because we want to net out the food service, don't you? You just want to net it out, right? I wouldn't think so. That's almost $27,000. That would be over some spots. One thing I want to tell you about Stockbridge is that we spent most of the year I wouldn't say it's a brown out but it was kind of like what we spent. In the end I think maybe that worked out but we were very careful. We were careful when I was here and Don followed me and there may be some explanation by the fact that we ended up I mean I certainly wasn't watching it one day to the next but we were very careful about what we spent. Stockbridge, I see that we had estimated $2,000 in e-rate but apparently it was not collected and when I look at Rochester I don't even see a line about e-rate at all. So e-rate is actually supposed to be an offset to the expense. Stockbridge decided to budget it as a revenue but report the data. Yeah, I've already told you about your impact. Can we confirm that the e-rate was applied for and received and can we confirm that we're going to get an idea of we had this amount of X amount of services and we got this percentage or this amount of federal government gives you to subsidize or offset specific technology costs it used to be like telephones and things that moved out of wireless and internet but if we had gotten new antennas in the building that would be an eligible e-rate expense. It's really a tricky program because the federal government decides that they're going to open up this e-rate window and you're supposed to bid things out of that complicated process and blah blah blah and I think we use Marion and Kenseth or someone as a consultant I think they actually use it. To calculate that it's not to get the numbers right but it covers I mean you have to confirm that you're conforming to the Child Internet Protection Act so you'll be able to say you can't look at porn sites or hate sites or drug sites or promen or exercise or whatever on school premises and you're educating families about responsible internet use and so on and so forth usually means you have an after-school meeting or some time to talk about that but it's based on three of these lunch percentages so the eligible expenses where we are we probably get about half of them and half of them made back and our connectivity some of us have do both of us have EC-Fiber or only one place? Both of us Right so that's gotten a lot cheaper because EC-Fiber was it is a lot cheaper than like Sobernet or Verizon or Fairfax 50% of some of our technology costs pain by just saying that our kids go to porn sites and be able to work back there and you have to do that every year because we have somebody locally who does it or is it the SU level it's done at the SU level and they contract we do special ed assessments special ed in stock pitch and vocational ed is under regular it's more differently in Rochester special education has its own line and vocational ed has its own is there a reason that our special ed is included in our regular? Honestly this is just a format that Donnie moves that I plug numbers into because this is so really I was hands off with this year I know that David had started great I knew that you're growing out all those SU assessments separately and did just pull them together it looks like one of those items got separated on the Rochester level so you have the same problem in the special ed as well oh I was I'm so sorry what's the reason again for that the bill's expenses came at the last because David didn't build it oh okay never mind so they just weren't weren't assessed? Our special ed directors maybe even knew that the boards are going to hate me because they're going to see these big bills but they were bills that were usually assessed more often in little chunks this was one big this was the art to do list when after July we needed to get those assessments out because he was projecting you know you were $200,000 in the black but those bills were not out to you and so we were going to see sticker shop we were going to solve them which is what I was a little bit of an outcast The budget shows $135 for Stockbridge $251 for the actual expenses and the budget shows I'm sorry that was the budget shows for Stockbridge $128 with $239 so having an understanding of maybe those numbers will drop but having an understanding of why we went so over budget in the first place would be good as well so we could be able to say two families moved in we had to do an out-place another kid that was here we had to refer out to somewhere else or whatever just so that we're building out the story of what happened now when it's time to talk to the public and when it's time to write the booklet we have the information about these things so we don't have to try to scramble around and then make ginger produce those numbers in February which is already going crazy trying to get everything else done understanding last year's expenses and last year's revenues and start building that area for now while she's not as busy with budget season yet I'm sure this could be much easier for her to go through her first budget season at the helm I wonder where I'm at for her next year but that was based on the first number yeah well actually usually for when as I understand Deb Matthews process it's eat because the population changes so much and the kids needs changes so much from year to year she almost just starts out fresh she almost just looks at here's the roster of all the kids and all their needs and here's the staff I need to meet all those needs and mainstream these kids as much as possible and then build that out and really doesn't do as much referring back I think she does look and try to say well in general we've always had it some but you know she doesn't want to open taxes and give us a lot of money back in the end of the year so I think she approaches each year almost as a unique individual kind of situation based on the kids their needs and the staff she requires I wonder what would be important for Wendy and I is to get an average report and then so we would want to have that before we started building your budget because that's the foundation so once these numbers get moving around they're on like this that's what lets us know we need this here that there versus something else that average report is just a very helpful document so the special assessment is based on population and need in a school and there's a formula for it they're not just taking all the population and dividing it out I was questioning that we could have such a different population because of 5290 we had our special ed numbers on fairly some right and remember the special ed budget has done the SU level so it is all the SU kids it's everything right we just pay a percentage that's based on the need it's actually based on the average of average daily membership and your child account I think for special ed but it is interesting to know I'm just thinking that we have less kids but our special ed is not that much less but we have a higher percentage of special ed in my threat more continue that's what I just wanted to do with the percentage of the population and special ed in my life I don't have that 18% at one point and I'd say SUY I wouldn't say just here but uh we're one of the we've been in the history of SU we've been one of the higher special ed SU's across the state that's really connected it's just an important piece to say about that but I don't know if you're just going to talk about it later but um he's directed us to really look at the strategic plan and take very serious of the reading in the special ed form in the state of Vermont after about third grade when you fall far enough behind that qualifies you for special education so everything you can do to keep children at or above standard is going to reduce that special ed population so you have kids that are coming to you in kindergarten that are already two and three years behind their peers it's one of the reasons why this was such a good idea to have the early ed work that you're trying to do this year not all kids I mean I'm not trying to say those kids that have a lot of involvement early probably aren't those kids but the it's important that the teachers don't feel like they're blamed because they're starting out with these kids not knowing letters not knowing numbers or their colors all that kind of thing we uh if you look at a page of the strategic plan under opportunity 2.2.1 if you want to look that up at some point it was an effort when we put that in there to try to get kids up to grade level by the end of third grade I can say more about this later but we are that was the whole discussion that we had our retreat for the administrators and the next discussion happened in front of the entire staff about this we have found some resources to try to deal with this and put the things in place in order to be successful turns out that we have had Medicaid money that we haven't spent for the last two years and we have a significant amount of money that we can devote to this early morning project to the tune of between five and six hundred thousand dollars so that we have got a meeting scheduled for Thursday morning where we are going to decide we have hired a data warehouse so that we can dump all our previous scores in it to see exactly where we are by school we are going to have to decide which things we want to measure and then going forward we are going to write a program and try to begin the effort of getting our kids up to a great level in both math and reading by the end of third grade so are we going to be investigating and exploring curriculums out there or do we want the teachers to write them no we are going to use research based things that are already in place we are not going to use anything that is pertinent and we already have a really good document to start with and it is called it is a book that came out in 2004 it is a little old but basically it is about the kind of school district in washington that it took them six years but they got all their kids 95% on grade level I don't think it is going to take us six years because we don't have the diversity here in Vermont and we are also not as big organization as that was they had like 14 schools or something like that spread out in a huge place in washington state but it has been a strategic plan to do this we have that plan goes till 2021 and we need to get to it and it is going to take a couple years for us to realize this may be more than a couple and I was pleasantly surprised that that medicaid money was there but what happened was every year Donny used to ask okay principals what do you want to spend that money on they had to write a plan well none of them many times they didn't and therefore it just rolled over and rolled over and now we have a pot that is about $65,000 a quarter to the better so before we start this project we are going to try to make a plan first and not just ready firing not a thing so there will be a proposal written my intention well we are hoping that we can we can bring in some retired teachers really retired at the top of their game and for us on a part time basis to try to do this so we already have one person that we've talked to about this and that and along with you know I haven't seen her for a while we also have some people that are working with kids now the integrationist folks we have a whole team of them I mean it's a whole team of them in the SU now and we are going to try to grab a couple of them to help us write it as well so I'm excited about it I couldn't get the principals to stop talking about it they really want to do this and I'm hoping that the board will basically reaffirm the goal for us and get on board with us to do this that money is all your money it's not SU money it's not Rochester money it's not growth money it's for everybody and we have to use it for all kids we can't be just special ed kids so this once those kids can handle the content when they're you know by the end of 3rd grade they're going to be better off knowing what they're doing special education assessment is based on just in proportion of the ADM across the SU and surprisingly in 2016 when we look at our merchant proposal document the ADM in Rochester was 82 and the ADM in Stockton was 88 so those numbers are pretty they're closer to the actual enrollment because at that time we had 14 more kids in 7th through 12th than Rochester did because our quiet majority of gamers so that's why those numbers are closer the actual central office assessment is the typical portion around enrollment in the school buildings and then also ADM so in some ways our assessment will go down in the in the central office assessment because our enrollment is dropped to Rochester but our special ed or special ed in the community is quite stable does anyone else have any more questions for Ginger? I have a question for Ginger but for Stockton secondary tuition was a lot lower than expected have there been kids that have moved down as well? not many there may also been kids that we thought were going to Blue Stockton and are going to Sharon Academy because that's a six grand or five grand it's a pretty big difference to change schools together it's one of those things I think is we get a better handle on whether Rochester families prefer when we start tracking that it would get better I want to ask you Ginger since you're a business officer person it doesn't relate to the financial reports let's finish up on the financial reports I have a question on the Rochester side I see our enrollment looks like we lost the kids in the elementary program and I looked at the general secondary it looks like we gained some choice students in the high school the original budget was an actual budget for the general secondary it's about $50,000 $1,000 I was just thinking was that what happened we got more choice students in the 7-12 in Rochester and loss of our elementary kids I see the cost to run the pre-k6 is all by $43,000 so I guess I was wondering how many kids did we budget for and how many what was our projected number that we went with and where do we wind up with the actual enrollment seeing the regular rate program it looks like those expenditures include everything total salary insurance it's not broken $100 so I can't really answer your question without seeing the I was just actress to that I'm not sure it looks like the principal is in there right it looks like I didn't see that somewhere else it's hard to match these up because the principal about two thirds down the list I don't see I was just saying that it's more than probably just the the elementary teachers it's including the supplies for the classroom it's every see this information when it's in the draft from the autumn will it be apples to apples will all my college head and be the same for both campuses I'm not sure what the authors will provide but the program is definitely different and I did not spend a lot of time this is all based on our old software system and that's why I can't switch everything around so I didn't spend much time on the program and these at all and what's going on these ladders here and so the more that we can have things being an apples to apples comparison the easier it's going to be assuming that we'll get a first quarter statement at the end of September so our new software we have a new target path to the account that needs to go before I can get the budget uploaded into the new system and it's huge against the time consumption of the payroll we just had our first teacher payroll last week and I I'm in question what format it's going to be are we going to be looking up these expenditure accounts and we'll have a stock bridge at Rochester campus or are we going to have column lines or stock bridge all the same that I think will be very nice and then of course total right it's going to be a bunch of columns it's going to be blind it's going to be a bunch of actual and like from that is what I'm expecting to see again when you are with us and this is just so when we go out to our community these are very active and they will go over line by line so we just need to make sure that we're all the same stuff which is it will make our lines a little bit easier if we can for that it will matter well surely it will make your life easier if you have the same type of code with an R for other than that if you have the same music line thank you it's a challenge I'm sure thank you for providing this so are we up to the questions of the financial report okay so ginger it's September which means that we're starting to get tuition bills I'm not sure I'm assuming it's the business office are you the people that are who is handling making sure that we have verifications so I want to go over what is expected from you guys at the board this is not basically new for the Rochester folks what we've done to pass for Stockbridge is Stockbridge does not require a residence which we use across the SU for the general demographics of the child with a growing their age and requires documentation of their residency Stockbridge has never wired that unless it's a stupid question somebody gets moved in or there's just a little hesitancy if they're really living there to know what the expectations are for the Rochester and jail he said that that'd be correct no we Stockbridge has and I I would put that on failures and past demonstrations but Stockbridge has required a form that says this is my kid he's my kid's name it's part of the student information gallery they're addressing all that but is that required annually the information form has been acquired annually and there needed to be some proof of residency a copy of the tax bill or like two power like two utility bills I know that the form that is used as what as to why it says two years it's provided to the presidency and if it's something that's from someone with a different name there needs to be a statement of guardianship or of relationship we've had in Stockbridge kids living with the grandparent had to show that they were taking care of the kids and I thought it was three years for Stockbridge if you've been here three years you didn't need to show that that's what we're doing but I think I don't think it should be a music use it's not very rare for taxpayers to mention we would like you to tell us what you want the residency form the rest of the SU is using and if it's going to be simpler right okay until we have those forms for all children on the influence I would say yeah because it's hard to get a view of how hard it's back to them I would imagine that's a giant pain to back them we'll just say we paid you for this kid and this kid doesn't really have residency here it's the money back would stop I think the schools that we use it's pretty good to deal with in that sense it does get very tricky when you get an invoice from Woodstock with ten kids on it and only six of them have the residency voucher so when you're paying for part of it it's hard on our end to monitor who's been paid for in the present and it's also hard on their end to monitor who is still upstanding who the rent is I would encourage you it's not hard to fill out it really is I would just encourage you to have it before the youngster can start school that's what's going to get into you we spent all of last year trying to get residency from folks in our preschool and a couple we still didn't have by the end of the year this year we said the child's going to start school and move residency we have it all over and it just escapes how much attracting people down because of a large chunk of money you're paying out every one of those the other thing I would encourage you to follow ginger's recommendation on is that there's more of this I have guardianship of this child it's really informal to get a child to be able to go to school in another town so guardianship is a legal status you have to go to court and get guardianship more and more people are saying buying has guardianship of my child my child's guardianship you shouldn't accept they need to go to court they need to get something from the judge that says it's okay so a student's residency has nothing to do with where the student lives it has to do with where the parent is the student lives with the grandparent unless the grandparent was a legal guardian they're 18 they're married, born, guardianship of that I think it's important that we do that and we're accurate on that because in Stockbridge we've had cases where someone tries to say, well here's a property bill for an acre of underdeveloped land that's just kind of somewhere way way up like the Lori Hill or somewhere where it was, he's a landslip off of a camp one time and they never used it and they're trying to say that's right and it's important to resign to do that and it's also it's very tricky especially it's parent or guardian and custody doesn't matter so we've paid there's been instances where there's been a couple that split up they don't speak to each other dad still lives in Stockbridge but mom's up working it says this kid's here and it can be difficult we've held up bills it's one of the things I found out is the power of the board we get the citizen's judicial body to hear part of the hearing because if dad's mad at mom and dad doesn't want to deal with it if dad doesn't sign that form it says here's my property here's my information about Stockbridge mom can't write that into the middle barrier and say oh this is dad that bill needs to be provided and in the past we've had issues where we've had to have we've had to get detectives to go get a private detective to go drive by and address and say here's our proof that this isn't a place people live but we really need to and David said the same thing I don't think there's formal rules in Stockbridge they're always happy they haven't necessarily been enforced by the last couple principle I think at this time Bruce I can't think of a good reason just to have a separate opinion my good question is do we want it for every student I think the same if we give you if the policy in the SU is that if you provide it for two years in a row you know when you fill out the address and everything else you say that everything else stays the same we don't need to get another I would go the other way we should follow the same way you know it's done in Sharon I don't think that's the cleanest way to track because I think we should either require it every year it started right now everyone in the new district has to do it it's a new district so that's what's going on this year and you know that's what's going on and that just kicked that can down in over two years right and then in two years we have an established group of kids that are in the established list but you know when I first got here it was kind of the woman who works in the office and had kids here and knew everybody and she would always say you know we even had to kind of push back for her saying well wait we really need to have the actual in case you don't know this is what Ginger she knows this this is her will house I think you would say she does this well so another question related to the address between the two different towns is payment cycles in the past Stopbridge has paid all invoices up front when the bill was received some districts pay it quarterly some pay it by semester I think this was the best way to prep them if the income the school that our kids are going to builds the whole thing up front Stopbridge would pay it up but other schools would stretch it out through the year okay quarterly then that's just out of the page quarterly like you don't anticipate I think there's only one school that has problems that would support everybody else build everything up front but in the SU generally pays it all up front or does everyone else pay it? Stopbridge doesn't want this because I mean quarterly everybody else pay it by semester would it be easier for you? I was just thinking if you pay it part of the child movement in year is that a lot of work to do to get it back? it's not but honestly if a child moves in the year it's sort of a hard thing for us to figure that out unless it's a very small town it's hearsay if you actually call us now use your giant parents move down last weekend so you're saying you actually are not informed when a student moves the new school doesn't get records from the old school? we should I think it would be but if it doesn't stop, their average would stop over the year if it's the new school yes interest would pay them the semester basis to address that because Woodstock wouldn't bill us the second semester or would I would imagine Woodstock would trap that Johnny Woodstock might even not know that they would do Woodstock there's definitely a rest with me I mean does it hurt for kids in semesters? I would rather do it because it feels like the whole year's too much it's not actually the only one truly the patient of fun I mean one of the advantages of not being on the front and we don't know about it you've got less than best if it isn't your responsibility I mean that's one way for it to happen so can you change just so I can call some people? absolutely that's the entire bill, not an entire year but January to change their original bill unless we say you know what we have? we just show hands we're reading your cover steps stop and she chose a job and I feel that she's a very thorough apartment thank you so yeah we just agree that it's the bill of the board so yeah verify every student's anything else for Ginger? okay Ginger you're making an escape thank you so much alright so let's go to the bill of the board and we're going to the special items and we don't hit everything we went pretty simply to start everybody seems really happy to be here so far so good there's 53 students here around the Stockbridge campus and 92 over in Rochester in Rochester in terms of the expansion of preschool hours they have 3-3 year olds 12-4 year olds youngster who's coming from are you full of Stockbridge now? did that one child is coming? no I have two spaces two spots so what about the other one that's on the way the people are waiting to see what they come here? we have suggested that and they have not taken a van for that to date and she actually already has a musical instrument demonstration for both of our campuses in Rochester it is all awesome new food service director Stockbridge is already started in training with Willie Walker and she actually came today to walk through the kitchen and see what we have and what we didn't have how she's going to be here lunch is brought over by Bonnie catering service so how was that? breakfast seems to be there's probably a handful of kids that take advantage of breakfast right now it's done in sugar and a piece of fruit it's changed based on the kids that we have I think those push back on social media are generally concerned but I think they're really happy about it that's a good experience in this all breast Vermont with our low rank unemployment rate some schools can't find custodians they can't find bus drivers they can't find office folks so we anticipate while this employment is low this may not be the last time we're in a situation it may not be lunch, maybe something else next time these school positions are getting it's difficult to fill them at this point I think the more we can try to find ways of sharing positions to offer more hours I think that would be a helpful thing for us going forward before the board's commission this is what we're done to allow me to write a letter I know upon your behalf to Julie Taylor she's been coming in early to make ends meet and when I said we need to get the hours and get your confidence she doesn't put me in a ladder but she comes in early so that it's noticeable because she gets kicked around both programs we can just if I can just shoot up and all on behalf of the board thank you now does she have something else in the kitchen that helps her she does we just barely hired someone Bruce has allowed her to stay in the kitchen to help us do lunches or she doesn't get near a kid because there's this backup on fingertips we're back to the 11th she's away from kids and we could go in the kitchen and that works provided by Mary Ellen today did she talk with you? so one of the things that's been a little challenging with this key position is our special schedule stands out for lunch so it starts at like 10 20 we can make come through for whatever reason we were talking about the notion of having the PE teacher who's at Rochester for two days a week spend one day in Stockbridge and one day in Rochester and he's agreeable to that just to chat in the other day and something with this idea came up but why wouldn't until we can find somebody who are blind in school or just through campuses why wouldn't we try to put it up this way so if we can't make anything happen we'll leave it to these other two folks and we'll pursue that and we'll see how that works out I have to say that I've just really been really happy and appreciative and impressed with the way the two of you have worked together whether it's meetings or the way you're presenting or the way you work I just think it's really I'm impressed I'm impressed with the cooperation and thank you remember that I'll probably say that as a board you are tremendously supportive you're very frank, you're very upfront but you're not you don't walk around taking set up like it is and that's easy to work with so thank you for that Rochester and Stockbridge joint activity coming out next Friday I think it's your fourth fifth and sixth grade Rochester's fifth and sixth grade classes are getting into the snorkeling in the White River so both work together and they have snorkels they went to and they had the snorkels it was a very great project and they had a great relationship Stockbridge went two years ago and it was really a great program thank you obviously didn't hear it accurately because I call up Wendy and say what are you talking about fourth and sixth graders are going so quickly because we have a four, five and a five six so for Stockbridge it's five and six because we have five and six and then two our service we're going to have trout in the classroom who's willing to take that on we have wet suits for the preschool so they need to go out in the rain in the clouds and these little suits that they call little wet suits for everybody which brings us to the three grade playground there's still a mulch five now talk about a farm torture during the recess for a lot of kids and in terms of Stockbridge the defense company that Karen Fleck they came in so we have appointments with equipment up to you have to put in a specific preschool playground but that's part of the expansion and that's going to be in the corner by the way right out there and then Rochester has big mulch that's so big of a mulch and then the new place structure is here neighbor rock and a group of volunteers is assembling in the center and then the new friends are being installed and then with both groups we'll put our three and four year olds it's not to say they have great things going on excellent excellent we have an action item we need to we have a new set of gear normally for expenses here's a list of gear that they want to play we approve what we say we understand here's the cost for that field, here's the cost for that sort of thing but we always have a standing order so we don't have to come in and improve payroll HX or someone's having to come here in two weeks it's a regular recurrent amount it's contractually controlled so what we do every year is we pass emotions saying that we approve a standing order for the business office for the lease any and all payroll obligations that are related with holding or as approved by the superintendent I guarantee you Ruth will approve it just by glancing at it because the designee just left she cuts those things automatically they get a deposit and you can stuff thank you so I would entertain a motion that we approve a standing order to lease all contractual other payroll for the year 2018-2019 second any other discussion probably saying hi and you can see there's only five lines so we all sign the date of that and give that back to Bruce so one of the things that a concerning partner may ask about communication is where do we stand I know we had talked about this last year do we have an official Facebook page for the districts or somewhere a place where rather than a room of being started on the Stockbridge Connections Facebook group that kind of came about really when people were trying to figure out who had an ATV to go get through something from Bethel after Irene great if we have but if there was some official place where a parent could ask that sort of question and if someone from your administration or someone might be able to respond I know we don't want you know I think it's important to have the official school page where we say here's a kid snorkeling and that sort of thing not be something that the community gets to bring up a lot of issues on or whatever I think it's important that we do have some sort of way that rather than someone having to pay attention to you know front porch forum and two or three different Facebook groups and whatever goes on in Rochester and listen to who's saying what in the Max parking lot or who's saying what over and out of Stoneman Tavern there is an RSV I forget the exact name but Facebook page but I think the people still go to the other pages to growing complaints I've been trying to post agendas just on that page and not on Dr. Connection so that they associate so maybe the next time something like this comes up we should think about something to say and put it there and then tell the other places start looking here because if we could start hurting all our community cats to that one place where they could see those sorts of things and what sometimes seems to happen is you see something on front porch forum and it gets kind of misquoted on one of the Facebook pages and then a third person calls me up and says it's kind of like the evil version of telephone so if we could think about ways that we can do that and I like I said I don't want to have the board start co-opting the official reporting out of the cool stuff that's happening in school I think those need to be separate but I think if we can think of a way to do that and maybe have I mean do you guys on the Facebook page do you post the weekly newsletter or whatever goes on the weekly folders or stuff we're actually updating Rochester had a Facebook page I'm not sure if that's true and we did talk briefly in pre-week with Casey and Lisa about how we would go forward with the Facebook page because one of the things we have to be very careful of is if we're going to use it as a forum to get questions answered then somebody's got to be regularly checking. The issue is you have to be very careful about who's regularly checking that because of the answers they get so part of me thinks we need to think pretty carefully about this question it's always worse if a restaurant or a diner doesn't have a web page it's much better than a diner that has a web page showing specials from March 2015 so I agree with that I think it's important that we figure out how we handle like I said we do a good job of communicating the stuff that's going on in school per se but I think we're weighing the communications and I don't know how other schools do it and like I said I don't want you guys to doing that because I think your job first of all is to administer the schools and educate our kids less about worrying about who's crappy in the neighborhood what type of stuff are you going to have to speak to? Some of the discussions around the issue with the school lunches people starting to complain about it in one place by the time someone noticed it a couple of people were working so I was left with a frenzy if there was a place that we could be looking for some of those things or having some of that I don't know how other maybe other schools don't even differentiate between communicating to the community and talking about the school let us make a couple sure absolutely this is not something I expect we're going to solve tonight we're going to wordsmith our profile picture I think it's important that we when I think about some of the things that the last administration here let kind of get away from them and again a lot of that stuff is going to be talked about because it involved student issues and confidentiality I think we could somehow have a channel for community communications the other thing to think about I could call a couple of people and get a cost on this I think a number of you know that I'm on a school board over the other side of the mountain and we use this program called Let's Talk and it's been tremendously helpful because if people really want answers to questions that's where they go to we can kind of sometimes keep the pop away and as the board chair over there I probably get 10, 12, 15 contacts a month from people who want to know things about what's going on in Otter Valley I heard this happen, what's this, what's that certain ones go to the superintendent certain ones go to the board chair but there's more of a I don't want to say this it's not totally public people really want to get information on something and they're really interested in solving the problem versus keeping the pop oil in they go to this Let's Talk application yeah that would be good to know and I have no idea what it costs but I can find that out if you could get us an idea think about what other schools about our size do and then what we do is every month at the board meeting I give a brief report out if I had seven contacts and the superintendent reports out if she had five contacts on these three contacts that would be great because that could be part of the minutes and then it ends up on the website and then you'll be able to see here's the stuff people are asking and we can point some of the people that might start stirring the pot to say if you reach out in this form you'll get an official answer and point them the kind of questions people are asking and seeing those answers because again, I think it's important that we have we're regarded as competent and commutative and the more public trust we can have I think the more number one space we'll get when something goes wrong it won't get as immediate oh here's the channel I go here, I got an answer that I can tell my neighbor oh yeah I asked about that last week I asked about that yesterday oh wow Lindsay's bringing lunch they're bringing sandwiches down they've got a person who's being held up because there's a state backlog for fingerprints and I think the other thing that I always remember is we probably had 10 people reach out to us very possibly can I drive down, can I help Julie make them and the Stockwoods need anything and I know that Stockwoods folks had the same volunteers coming through the door so it's always keeping in perspective the pop boy the squeaking wheels I'm already interested in helping out exactly I just think it's important that we're we're community and I think in the long run less about the skewers, it's less about refighting this battle with the food fear of a certain person quitting in August and more about if we can direct people to a channel where they can go and get a positive answer and feel like oh I can get, I can send a question here or I can do this and I can find something I can trust to take to the back I think it's going on the way I do farmers market markets every Friday and it's pretty much about flowers and I get a lot of people that come in and ask me about school issues so I actually have been writing down the list of concerns I was probably going to email you both tomorrow with them and I think if we had I always say you really want to talk to each other the principles I have every question I've ever asked so people won't make that step and they will just come to a board member or you know which is fine too but I think it would be good to have that please communication but as a board director if you could redirect them to the question it's easier to write a question online to walk to the body's office or call up on the phone you can say oh we have an online question answer forum go to blah blah blah there's a link on our website the other thing is they sometimes won't take the step and pick up the phone but as board members if you can ask is it okay if we ask one of your mommy to call you can we ask him if it's okay if I say you're at least concerned and ask one of them to give you a call because that's sometimes easier than making the call going the other way that's a really good idea and probably if you do that ask if there's a good time to call too so that was that um I'm not sure if these are artifacts from the last time or if there's a new information to speak to on 8.2 8.3 I can speak 8.3 quickly I have a number of appointments the next couple of weeks with different contractors the patients even on plumbers septic bills to talk about you know bottoming up that high school building for winter and you probably have much more to report if not at the October then the November meeting also I mean I'm in contact with communications at home company trying to balance out the number of lines we have going into the Rochester campus the little bit just teased out there is up to a certain over-line to get free long distance and then we drop the lowest line to pay for long distance so we got our front balance out of what makes the most sense um so just a number of meetings um one thing that's easy fiber for the telecom you know the telecom communications too that's the other thing that is true but I don't know how easy fiber does uh telecom too I don't know the cost of it but the other the other thing I'd like to do I'm just um just letting the board know before for this I'm going to meet with Mark Blunt um Libby and I to ask him who you mentioned that actually did hire um a civil engineer to come right into your building to go right through the systems at the bottom and he said the report they got back was extremely informative and um you know after I talk with him we'll have a better sense of who we're going to recommend that for our two buildings but it certainly makes sense to start with a report that's got some expertise for it and I know of all plumbing and heating systems right and that would be a lot better than I mean you could I could trust you to talk to a contractor and you tell him things and you write that and say the contractor said this the plumber said that the heating guy said this I think it's not a civil person now do you have any what they paid for that's what I want to talk to Mark about what it costs I think that started so I mean if it's do you any clue who's absolutely it might have been before I was I don't know I mean I think for this one it's very clear we're going to button it up we're going to get it as efficient as we can we don't have a lot of time to do major construction exactly but I think to gather some information around what kind of information they got what could it cost okay well then if if you could it would be great if you could come back to us with a a proposal, a quota proposal I don't think we need to get three at this point because it would be under 15,000 but you know it should be out maybe when it's 15 or higher I would think it would be close to that no no no but if you could if it's less than three and this guy is working for Tom Bridges Tom Bridges and Chelsea and Chelsea in October so that we could have some information to be talking to because I guarantee you that would be a large this large part of our annual meeting and budget discussions and especially even if we're I mean I'm not sure we'd get anything in time for it to have to really inform next year's budget but it would be great we could get something that we could be able to tie saying here's some steps taking going forward for the 1920 year that would really be our communities want to see us moving towards a resolution facilities, whatever they are so positive steps and would be good and I also think that we held off really forming a building committee last time I think because I think before we actually have a committee that actually includes community members that we need to have something that they can be working from rather than saying okay walk into our buildings, look around what do you think would happen here sort of compare teachers and work members being able to say here's a professional document that lays out these sorts of steps how do we want to fit our program into those steps is where we're actually getting good work done we're not going to gather I think like just throwing a bunch of people in these buildings and they joke up let's sort this out if somebody's expressed interest take their name and follow the name of those who are getting some professional opinions and advice put together and then we'll go from there I have a couple names that we have a building committee I know one that's interested in another I have a contact to their book absolutely don't string them along let them know what our timeline is I've forgotten them and then let them know that what we do would appreciate their service because I know they think you have a lot of background those are too good just in regards to that I think parents want to know what kind of programming we're sharing and doing together or what field trips so we can just maybe let somebody know about as much as we can put out there to share what we're actually doing I think that would help with people understanding we've got to get Lisa out from under the police end cases or out from under the wage when we're starting our school but we really talked about two things we'd like to model what Scottish has done with newsletters because Rochester has not been as forward with those as Scottish has actually putting on a Facebook page that just as Carl said a few minutes ago pictures of kids 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th to Science Museum just sort of information blast getting dinner in Rochester this night our education as I said I think I voted in any way I saw a huge article in Rochester and the next week there was this tiny little thing I should have all we do is put them in contact with newsletters, it's their reporters or whoever maybe we should do something more structured then because I think you're right but I just want to see what this module is playing this article September 14th look at the paper deadlines for around that time to then maybe be able to that's a really cool thing that we're about to do Mark is very good, very responsive she would go anywhere to take pictures and that might be a good interview I would highly recommend contacting Mark and Harold about the snorkelling trip because I think we even asked them to do it it's a cool thing that they're running low on space there's a really fun picture of kids in a room in snorkelling and then you have a small paragraph behind it they're trying to show a piece of that picture of each other last year it was on the newsletters we came down and it was cool and it was just kind of like doing something really cool come check it out I try to get when I do PTO stuff as well I try to contact Mark Slater which I can give you her number anytime you have a really good event that you want to share even if it's not just community related it's the same idea so as part of PTO and the projects you guys do a lot of publicity for the school I personally just thought it was a good idea so I'm on the PTO as well that might be great because I'm telling the PTO that PTO could help out if you're like your spaghetti those kind of things people want to read the paper like myself you want to see your community and you want to see other communities and it definitely expands what people are perceptions of our towns are by just making that email or that phone call there's one teacher here this is Colton she will send pictures to the heroin periodically in the past I would consider the mountain times also for doctors because I do think the mountain times in this area is completely a little bit marked as a killing to an exposure I know it's all official we try to put it out there and we see what it does the more we can let the community know what's going on especially the positive things the more stuff that's out there they're saying oh that's kind of cool that's sort of neat I think those things if they're hit with that every couple of weeks they remember and they see that their communities engage and they see the fact that the fact that our kids are going snorkeling is not going to get them when I was in college it's the fact that they're on target to read in third grade and they're doing well in math and they're giving them funding methods to go out and succeed in middle school and high school but I think those are the things parents and community members and taxpayers look at it and say this is meaningful and this is kids doing cool stuff I see what my dollar is doing these nice fun things as long as it's great advertising in my opinion for music the task is full choice there are a few positive things going on in our schools they see the cool things that we're trying to do and doing I think you can there's parents that are wishing watching should I say my kids are ripped into this I might be good at killing them I think that they see things out there I think that's a really it's a way to just put it out there it raises a positive it makes them think oh maybe we should check that out absolutely okay so we actually have one more thing to do it relates to the food service program Bruce points out that when Jordan resigned it was actually July 27 it wasn't the beginning of August it was end of July but when he resigned we never formally accepted his resignation letter so I would entertain a motion to accept the resignation of Jordan as the food service manager in Stockings campus no I don't accept it let me see all those in favor see Gaffer Hill she's making she's one of the most well known cheeseries okay so it's hard to say so they haven't made them move yet but I don't think she's going to leave it he's still being trained he came back and did the right I think well then please have a minute's reflect that the board with great regret thanks for his service and wishes him all the best for his future endeavors that said our next meeting that would be in Rochester at 6 30 remember the board training Thursday night yeah I think the question there was a question when I first came on the board about the fact that I own a school company I thought I had given the company away to my consultants too hard to travel down to do that and I don't know if it's going to cause more of a problem JP has always said a sister company called Classical Learning Universe and we are doing online professional development for teachers as opposed to the damage of homework and we also created programs for struggling kids so I'm very strong the inlet is on curriculum thank you it's something that we trust that should there be some SUY will get an online professional development we trust you to do the right thing and then you can review yourself from any kind of product select I just can't see I just can't see it really good I saw on the paper that I'm pretty sure that Stockbridge has a early online program or something like that and some of the time there was a map of something that happened and I was curious why there was only Stockbridge and not Fortwood to offer them on our we have a supervision glitch with the bus routes or such that kids aren't getting there at the same early arrival and do the breakfast differently this year so those are the three main things I didn't know that was a plus I thought it was your it's an early plus right back there 30 and there we go to your community something that's not just a success at 7.45 starting the interaction and so those who have scheduled like math time it is still their beginning of their day with their teachers rather than just run around again On the same day about breakfast I've had a couple people ask me questions just the money that we spent for the refrigerators they were concerned about refrigerators into the classroom and when we approved that the kind of refrigerators in every classroom so there's a couple of members more than one that's come up to me and heard about it and is the answer why we didn't have to approve where the money's coming from but that's something I'd like to be able to answer what we did make this we had been struggling a little bit with my military last year's morning arrival the whole situation was just completely unacceptable we were crying we were sometimes getting hurt it just wasn't working out there were two many kids in a gym they were supervised but it's hard to supervise that many of them in a gym we checked around for other models but let me back up one more thing teachers were also continually saying that they didn't have adequate time for literacy instruction or mathematics literacy instruction best practice calls for between 90 and 120 minutes we had some teachers that were down around 60 mathematics was the same thing best practice calls for 75 to 90 we had some teachers that were down around 45 or 50 so what we've done is gain a full 15 to 20 minutes of instruction of time by going to the breakfast in the classroom model so youngsters come in the breakfast is already stopped and by some classrooms by 5 of 8 they're doing morning meeting they're doing read aloud some of them are actually doing journaling as teachers describe that they're not spending the first 20 minutes of the day trying to sort out all that went wrong before school even started so that is the rationale if I've overstepped you just need to let me know my understanding is that I would spend as long as the administrator works within the confines of the budget that there could be some discretion and exercise between my editors so I didn't ask for the board's permission to purchase refrigerators so maybe I shouldn't have but I didn't yeah I assume I have but it's come out a couple times and off the I think the explanation that I asked you I might ask my child how do you feel like having breakfast in the cafeteria she definitely really enjoys the classroom it's much more peaceful I know there's not the chaos it looks like fun but it's a little too much I just want to make sure that we're doing changes we're assessing how the teachers are managing those changes and we have a good explanation why these changes happen I think you always have a really great answer and it always comes down with us for kids I think that that will satisfy those I definitely think that that's a question that's out there and I think that the public would like to know the answer I'd like to send folks my way to because I'd invite a couple of parents in and they could walk through with me and see how it's working and what's happening I think on the opposite side it's easy to do something so they don't think about going for a board member but the number of parents that have stopped me in the hallway and said this is just a remarkable difference in the start of the school day but I do want to talk with folks who are wondering if any members they're hearing things it's heading that off it's having a line of communication a real answer can be provided and that's the question I think it's important I think it's great that they're coming to you and they're saying these things and then you're passing along and they're starting to build a feedback loop I'm trying to fill in I think it's the best do you want me to have it or do you? I really like that I think that's great I'm going to guess oftentimes parents want to do it they just want to get up to phone it's an awkward thing some of those some of those I love that you can have him call me he's been knocking last year he's having that if you're willing for me to give your phone number out I think that that will build a lot more trust in terms of who's selling these chips I think human beings some of us love James we jump up and say most of us with a little bit of explanation of what time we adapt to change and then some of us you have to drag us kicking and screaming through the door because we just so dislike change I think I think the caution for us who work in schools is to never discount any one of those groups of people you need to spend a lot of time with people who just don't feel comfortable with change and you need to spend time with folks who probably could support it but they just need to understand it better you just need to slow down the folks who yay we're going to change something so I know I speak to one of us is that we want to talk with parents if anybody has any concern you need to send them our way or ask is it okay if I give her your number and you can also put up with the game part of these things happen so quickly is that we're continuously trying to improve this cycle of continuous improvement is really important you know it's let's let's let we see something we think to make it better let's just do that and then let's assess and evaluate you know the results of what we did versus the bureaucratic hmm there's an idea perhaps we should have a meeting about that perhaps we should talk about that and then we'll we'll we'll we'll