 I see that it's 6 o'clock, so we are going to call this meeting to order of the Longmont Transportation Advisory Board meeting for Monday, January, the 10th, 2022. And I want to take this time to welcome our new board member, Diane Christ and Council member Yarborough. Thank you both for joining us this evening. Okay, now we're going to move to our roll call. Sandra Stewart, Liz Osborne. I'm here, David McInerney, President. Dave Lainer, President Diane, Chris. Present Council member Yarborough. Okay, is Joe Long not here? I thought maybe he was on the phone. Okay. We need to approve our minutes from the December 13. I'll have 2021 meeting and I need to have a motion to approve those minutes. It's like Joe just hopped on and started to interrupt. Okay, thank you. I have a couple of suggested revisions. Hey, David, and what are those now? Tyler, should we have the revisions now? Or should we have a first and a second? Approve the minutes in a second with additions. It should be a motion, a second discussion. Okay. Okay. So I need to have a motion to approve the minutes in a second. And then we'll have the discussion. Do you want to move, Dave? Yeah, I move that we approve the minutes from the last last meeting. And I second that. Okay. There is a motion to approve the minutes from Steve Lainer. And a second from Liz Osborne. Okay. Now discussion. David. Yes, on page 2. Number 6 action items. Second paragraph. The 3rd sentence reads in part presented the Colorado 119 bikeway and Greenway to the design. And that should read presented the Colorado 119 bikeway and Greenway design to the board. Thank you. And on page 4, just a couple of spelling corrections. To the bold text at the center of the page that is summarizing a motion. The 1st correction would be adding a 2nd to my name. The 2nd would be adding a 2nd L to the word annually. And that's all I have. Thank you. Any other discussion? So it's been moved and seconded that we accept these minutes with the additions that David just gave us. All those in favor raise their right hand. Or say I, I guess. So we are any pose. Same sign. Okay, so it's been moved and approved. Okay. Communication from staff Tyler. Do you have any additional communications for us? No, no formal communications tonight other than again, welcome council member Yarbrough. And and board member Chris to the to the board. Don't want to put you on the spot too much, but if there's anything you'd like to say. What interests you and transportation? Or just a simple high, whatever, whatever you're comfortable with. Either way, what welcome both you to the board. Good. Good. We have here. So appreciate the opportunity. Thanks for having us, Tyler. I'm excited to get going on this. I'm very interested in transportation. I ran for city council in the last election and I'm very interested in the hyper loop, which is a statewide. Transportation initiative, but it will also drive a lot of local transportation issues. And I rode the bus to Boulder for many years. I'm a bicycle rider. I just see a lot of need for transportation within the city. So, I'm excited to be on the board. Thanks. Yes, so 1 of the reasons thanks Diane and thanks for applying for the board and so good to see you again. One of the reasons why I apply to be a part of the transportation board is so that I can learn more and being. Newly to a new city council person. I think I can never learn everything. But what is important to me definitely is transportation as well and how, what does that look like? What does that mean? I mean, so many, you know, community members can look about and complain and not understand. The groundwork and the operation of it and decision making and things like that. So being a single mom with kids in and out of school in St. Lorraine and in Boulder County, there were some challenges as a single parent and it was really hard and things that I really didn't understand and a lot of times I don't get that within city count going to attend in city council meetings or watching city council meetings. So, I felt like it was important for me before I could point a finger to anyone to get on these boards and to learn and understand so I can ask you all the experts about it. And things like that, right? And also the city and ask them, why do we not have public transportation to go out to out on the middle school? Right? Why do we not have public transportation that goes out tonight? Why? Why do we not have public transportation to go out to UC health hospital where a lot of our, you know, residents work out there and then they have to get Uber or things like that. So. It's not to point fingers. It's just, I just need a clear understanding and learn so that I can also talk to my constituents when they come and ask me about it, which are really good, valid questions. And so there's just so much more to learn, right? So much more to learn about transportation. So, I'm just grateful to have this opportunity to be on this board and to know you all and to get to learn. So thank you for having me. Thank you. Okay, we are ready now. I think Tyler for public invited to be heard. Yes, and it looks like as far as I can tell from the list, it looks like we have 1. 1 call in unless it's someone else that's on this call. Looks like they're just 1 for right now and I'm correct that I need to ask them to state their name and their address. Yes, and then tell us what they're ready. Hello, hello. Hi, welcome to the transportation advisory board meeting. Could you tell us your name and your address? Name is got store 2 to 9 grand street. Okay, Scott, please tell us your concern. There's been a lot of chatter on next door about the parking situation around the West side tavern, which is between Grant and Sherman Street on 3rd Avenue. Some parking restrictions have been parking signs have been implemented. I believe for the purpose of educating people and for as far as. Setback distances from sidewalks or from intersections and driveways as well as line of site issues. I think this is entirely appropriate for given the area and the amount of traffic that goes through 3rd Avenue. There is a conflict with the business in that it is eliminating. Parking in front of the business. And with the signage, this will. Push the restaurant parking into the neighborhoods into the adjacent streets. I live in the adjacent streets. This is extremely unfortunate. But I believe that the safety measures that are being put in place are appropriate. I think there's a longer conversation to be had as far as the tavern, not. Providing parking for their customers and using the side streets for parking, but I believe if this issue comes up and I anticipated more people on the call. That safety 1st, and if you guys are looking at this, please look at the line of sight coming from. Grant street 200 block of grand street out of the 3rd Avenue. There are definitely issues when cars are parked between the tavern and grand street appreciate your time. Thank you. Thank you for coming to the meeting. Yep, it does look like we have another caller. Okay, hello? Hi, is that me? Yes, could you tell us your name and your address, please? Sure. My name is John Loughran. I live at 220 Sherman sort of behind Scott. I also am calling in reference to the parking at up along 3rd. And I just wanted to say thank you to the board and the. Folks who are responsible for doing the traffic study. I had 3 things I wanted to touch upon 1 was my wife came home from work twice. Last week very excited that she could driving down Francis as she's driving south on Francis. She was able to make a left on 3rd and then down to Sherman previously for the longest time. She had been going around the block. So she had been coming down Francis, making a right on 3rd, driving another block west and then going left on or south on Francis and around the block to our house just to avoid that whole scenario up there and the lack of visibility coming from Francis. So she was very excited and I thank you for that. I had spoken to Tyler previously. I just wanted to see about the some of the data or decision making that goes into the survey because there's a lot of discussion about it. But I don't know that people really understand like what are we what are the guidelines in order to like what do you need for a visibility line or what's you know how does that correspond with the traffic flow and I think they would be the public would be helped by having some information on that to provide some logic or some you know some grounds of discussion a bit and finally the last point my initial complaint that the Coffee with Council were based on people illegally parking on the corners and over parking over you know the crosswalks they're not following the setbacks of 20 feet from this crosswalk or from the fire hydrant or whatever but you know like that still goes on and there have been complaints to the police department over the years and I've never I've spoken to police officers but there's never been a citation that I'm aware of and now you know there's kind of a protest people are parking along the street there and defying citizens but they're still parking in over the crosswalks so you know it's you know it depends you know there's fewer cars there now but you know I don't know if that's part of the protest or just people don't know like hey it's 20 feet setback even though there's a sign there or I don't know what the issue is on that but you know to coordinate with the police department would be awesome and I think that would help you know create a safer environment for everybody so that's it thanks a lot thank you John thank you for your interest okay Tyler is there anybody else I'm not seeing any others if there's if there's anyone I'm missing please please speak up yes could you state your name and your address please I can't hear her I can't either should we ask her to call back I think that would be appropriate if you were trying to call and speak please please call back in and we'll accommodate the comment seem reasonable as in my god oh chair stewart maybe the thing to do would be you know if we if we get any other callers calling back in the board can make a motion to add a final call public invited to be heard at the end of the meeting okay thank you okay that's what we'll do I just will somebody make a motion that if if we have another caller while the meeting progresses that we can um have a time at the end of the meeting for public to be heard somebody I'd be happy to make that motion that if someone else calls in we will make time at the end of the meeting for the person to be heard or persons and is there a second for that please I'll second oh Diane okay thank you um all in favor say aye on any opposed all right great thank you okay okay all right um Tyler I think we're moving on to um or do we need to discuss what we just heard no okay um action items um you're you're bringing to us uh the 2022 tab work plan yeah so chair stewart and and board members I've been introduced myself before Tyler stay me in the city's transportation engineering administrator and the liaison to this board so and for those that I haven't met nice nice to meet you all and for everyone else great to see you on our monthly call here um tonight before you we talked last month about the proposed work plan we discussed it briefly and sent this information out at the last meeting and asked for if you have any comments feedback in the meantime please provide that and we can see what we can do to work it in the work plan and then at this meeting we're asking the board to to take action to recommend the work plan I did receive comments um chair stewart from you about the flex ride and getting the flex staff in here to provide a discussion on their service and I think what we'll try to do when you have it on there on the work plan I think we'll try to coordinate that as close as we can with our TD and getting our TD in but there's a chance they don't line up but we will we will still bring that information or do what we can to bring that information to the board in quarter two and then board member back in Ernie you talked about some ideas for traffic safety fund that you had sent to me and I think maybe it would be a good discussion to have with the board with those comments um if you want to talk about that but otherwise um leave it leave it to the board to discuss the proposed work plan we are looking for motion and then action on this one okay um do does somebody want to make a motion to accept this and then we'll have a second and then we'll have a discussion about it or do you have any questions to ask Tyler about it I think the only other thing I would say about this is um you know we do our best to follow this this work plan but there are things that come up through the year that we need to add to the agenda or maybe some things on here on here that we don't get to just throw that out there for discussion it's a work plan yeah yes Liz were you gonna yes I was going to move that we accept the proposed work plan and schedule for 2022 second it it's been moved and seconded moved by Liz Osborn and I'm seconded by David McInerney um to approve this work plan 2020 work plan for Tam um is there any discussion yes David um I was looking at the traffic safety fund line item in the work plan and well we discussed that um at our last meeting and since there is a substantial surplus in that fund my suggestion is to devote some staff resources to identifying potential pedestrian and bicyclist safety measures that are not yet being implemented in Longmont in order to improve traffic safety and I thought that might involve a literature search it might involve um Longmont staff contacting their counterparts in some of the communities that seem to be doing better in terms of traffic fatalities than Longmont is or it might involve you know funding staff attendance at a conference that's focused on traffic safety my idea is just to get some new ideas to present to council and to tab on how to keep improving our traffic safety I have a quick question yes Steve um Tyler um weren't were those funds going towards a coordinator that was doing events and activities throughout the city currently? Board Member Lainer yes right now that some of some of that fund goes to fund a part-time staff member and then primarily the the rest of what it's used for is some training classes bike helmets bike lights I think Phil talked about that a bunch with the last one but yes it does partially fund a part-time staff member okay so I guess my question is the amount that we have on the report is the total amount from the safety fund and then a portion of that is already being used for the coordination or the coordinator position as well as the additional equipment that's needed for those events is that correct I believe that's true but I need to hold out the report that we had last month to verify that one so then Tyler is it correct to say that the $23,000 surplus hasn't been allocated yet to any use if I can get an answer on that here real quick looks like my my reading of this comm from last month is that at the end of 2020 fund balance was 23,000 so it will continue to accrue through 2021 2022 we didn't have the 2021 numbers at the last meeting um the salary for that staff member comes out of this it's a running total as is the 23 is not necessarily a surplus that salary has been subtracted throughout the year from that so there isn't a $23,000 surplus as far as you can tell that that's a fund balance not necessarily a surplus got it miss chairman um returning to the proving discussing the work plan would I be correct in understanding that this kind of concern and conversation could come up as needed under point three of the capital improvement program bicycle and pedestrian we can continue to discuss this throughout the year makes sense to me I guess I'm just I'm wanting to make sure that this is an important thing sure but it's kind of sidetracking from the idea of is this the plan we're going to have and it I think it does fit in we can address it as we want to going forward does that make sense sure yes and David did that work for you sounds good okay thank you okay thank you okay our council member your bro yes so I just have a question um is there any education that is already being done within the community as far as and is it with the cyclist or is it general education even with um our drivers as well Lauren does education doesn't she's Tyler she does and um Ben I'm going to put you on the spot here is this one that you have some information on that you could share with some of that program sure I can so yes Lauren Greenfield is the traffic safety coordinator for the city of Longmont her primary focus is on bicycles and pedestrian safety she last year I believe she was working on some videos for both bicycle and pedestrian safety also out of our the city's risk department they routinely put out um information that goes out to to the entire city on the city's newsletter on items regarding safety that does include things like driver safety so the answer the short answer is is yes and and then of course we also have a newsletter called loco about cycling which is stands for Longmont Colorado about cycling and one of the things we offer every month is a rules of the road and it doesn't necessarily pertain to bicycling per se but pertains to bicycling and walking as well as those aspects of chapter 11 of the municipal code which is the the traffic code pertaining to to to drivers and and operation of motor vehicles for as how as how it affects bicycling and and walking so so yes we we we have a number of avenues that we're pursuing okay well I was just listening to David in I mean really good points and everything and I'm pretty I mean I know you all have some type of safety measures implemented within the city and and all of that I just didn't know to what extent Mike are you providing some type of education to the cyclist shops like we have a cycle shop on main street when people purchase their bikes um are there is there any information at the DMV when people when we have 15 16 year olds are they receiving any information about what to look for um I mean during my campaign I remember I cannot remember this lady's name but she was awesome I learned so much just from her with the police officers use your right arm to open the door so you can look back and things like that I had never been taught um just things like that is very very effective um so I was just wondering how are we educating our community members that's that was the only thing I knew we were but I was just wondering are we reaching out to the bicycles the cyclist shops um are we actually in the high schools you know what I'm saying are we giving those newsletters to those high school students um are we you know I mean I know the police department is also partnering as well so I was just wondering because I know my daughter never received anything so she never told me about it and she she loves to cycle unfortunately I'm not a cyclist because it's been so long since I've been on a bike but hopefully I will be on a bike soon but um so I'm just kind of figuring out how we can get this communication you know across um our community and that's very important um from you know drivers and cyclists and pedestrians right so I was just trying to get a little bit more information that way thank you yes Diane actually I think Liz was first if you'd like to go first Liz Liz thank you uh chairperson um what I'm hearing a consistent thing from all these comments is we might want to have a point on our work plan that is about outreach um whether it was about the west side tavern or about bicycle safety or on next door I have seen the constant conversation of how do we get the city to be more transparent I know the city is extremely transparent at the website but apparently we're not and they're also great when we have stuff like downtown and do the art walk and stuff and there's things there but we might want to consider whether we could get rolling a way to find out where do people get their information and how can we get that information to them good point thank you Diane well these are all great ideas um David I'm interested to hear um what specifically you have in mind in terms of safety programs I was concerned when I participated in the board once before about uh a statistic for pedestrians and bicyclists that 50% of the accidents and in fatalities for the pedestrian or bicyclist and I actually am a regular bicyclist and I was riding on 21st I was going west and stopped at gay street and there was a double stop there you stop to cross the one part of 21st and then you stop before the second part and I saw the gentleman stop and started out into the street but I keep an eye on the automobiles around me and he plowed through and then looked at me like what are you doing in the middle of the intersection so uh if the bicyclist doesn't pay attention as Shakita pointed out there can be a pretty severe accident and I did have training as a teenager and when I was growing up so that is something that would be helpful I think to bicyclist but also to the motorists because sometimes they're looking around they don't always look in the in the crosswalks is what I think is missing thank you Steve yeah I guess as one of the another cyclist I actually worked in bicycle retail um quite a number of years ago and have done bike rodeos and the general rules of thumb with the educational side of it that that I found is that excuse me the elementary and junior high children are the ones that you really want to start with the you know bike rodeos safety programs and that sort of thing and then you branch up to your bike shops and your bike clubs sadly and I think everybody can agree that we see this more and more drivers are less likely to gain new skills so we have to start with the cyclists the folks who are most vulnerable pedestrians and all that so that's why we always drill into high vis clothing at night you know lights and that sort of a thing um but I completely agree with the idea of outreach um you know the the the Dutch did that whole campaign of reaching across when you open up your door with your other arm forces you to look behind and that actually eliminated door accidents cyclists and doors by a dramatic number I think it was over 70 in that country alone now you can imagine trying to again educate car you know motorists to that is going to be a much more expensive campaign than we probably have a budget for so I think starting small at the educational level and figuring out what are our best shots to to you know get this information out is probably our best chance at this and the older we get I'm just saying and this is from somebody obviously on social media and seeing twitter and I'm part of you know a lot of cycling groups you're going to have less likely to help from the motorist side than you will from getting cyclists to engage and or be be a part of this just saying I'm not trying to pass a judgment on on anything or anybody in regards to that so just my two cents thank you thank you any other discussion okay wonderful conversation you're wonderful discussion on bike safety and and um transparency and education we need we need to do better I don't know how we're going to go about that but we need to pass or we need to approve the action item for our 2020 to work plan and then maybe Tyler this could be brought into another time that we can have more discussion on this and figure out a plan or you all figure out a plan and you bring it to us yeah chair stewart I think what I'm hearing and what I would propose would be adding to the work plan a another line under the other in terms of outreach and potentially we talk about outreach and safety education options and I'm sure we'd have enough content to to fill an entire meeting and more with that one item talk about how and and brainstorming here and don't have a vision of what it looks like but potentially bring in our public outreach team provide some perspective on efforts that they're doing and how we can improve those some of the other staff perspectives I think our you know our planning group and Erin's on this call you'll hear from here later she facilitates a lot of public meetings that can be um which is a great facilitator and does a good job of navigating some of the more contentious meetings so I think maybe hearing some of all of that together one meeting and bringing it together into something that we can do and change would be a good a good topic for a meeting so I'm happy to add that to the work plan great thank you okay it's been moved and seconded that we approve the 2022 2022 proposed tab work plan and schedule okay all those in favor raise your right hand and say I I okay all those opposed okay I just want to I just want to make sure that we add that line item otherwise I agree okay added under other as a line my item okay okay it's passed thank you can I yes go ahead clarification that that was a unanimous vote with the extra item added yes okay so next we have our information items um the St. Brain Greenway status update Josh Sherman our senior civil engineer I think he's here so I think we're ready to hear from Josh and Josh Josh welcome and thanks for being willing to share share your Monday night with with us and talk about St. Brain Josh has been working on this for long time years and has done a lot of great work on this project so Josh I'll let you share all your successes and there you everyone let me um work on sharing my screen and getting um a slideshow pulled up just briefly okay I should be sharing um my screen and you should hopefully be able to see on your screens uh the cover slide here that through yes wonderful thank you um okay well good evening everyone thank you for having me my name is Josh Sherman I am a senior civil engineer in the city's public works and natural resources department I'm one of the project managers who have been working on the city's resilient St. Brain project um a few things to talk about today or um you know summary of the project goals the scope of work um a schedule of the work that's been completed and a schedule of some upcoming work a little bit about the cost of the project and some of the benefits moving forward a project goals for the resilient St. Brain project or sometimes referred to as RSVP are to fully restore the St. Brain Greenway trail improve the St. Brain Creek channel to protect people property and infrastructure from future flood risks and then to complete the work in an environmentally sensitive way I like to think about RSVP as a master plan for St. Brain Creek through the city of Longmont and this work um although it began the city began looking at the flood plan on St. Brain Creek and and planning for projects before the 2013 flood this work really began in earnest following um following that event in 2013 this slide have I moved off the uh no thank you I'm sorry yeah now there we go there were the project goals that I just went over uh and some slides of some pictures showing uh the 2013 flood event there was my house your house is in this slide yeah wow yeah okay um so this slide shows geographically the uh extent of the project you can see the city limits of Longmont sort of in the tan color with St. Brain Creek moving uh through the center of the slide there the project was uh broken into several phases on the sandstone ranch reach what you see out to the right side of the slide east of town beginning at Boulder Creek and then working upstream to Countyline Road was the work to restore St. Brain channel through the city's open space out of the sandstone district park there's a gap reach sort of between sandstone and the city reach um for connectivity and for flood plan analysis we certainly evaluated that section however there were no project improvements included in the master plan within what we referred to at the gap reach there and then finally um the city reach which is the section of uh St. Brain Creek through the developed portion of town really from the confluence with left hand creek uh out west to airport road at the extent of the city's planning area this next slide um zooms in on uh the city reach itself which is the majority of of the work to be completed on the project this slide illustrates um the phases this project was broken into phases based on funding availability and for other reasons and so the work really on a project like this had to begin on the downstream end and then work upstream as we increase the channel capacity to carry additional flows and so what you see on this slide beginning on the right is the city reach in yellow which is a complete that's the area that includes the Dickens farm nature area um this slide also shows uh work that's been completed to replace several crossings over St. Brain Creek so main street bridge and south parkway bridge are complete the area in red is what we refer to as city reach 2a and the area in green we refer to as city reach 2b which are both completed sections um city reach 2b included replacement of the bnsf rail road crossing as well as replacement of the pedestrian bridge at price road that work was completed uh in 2021 and then work ongoing is this section here in in blue which is referred to as the Isaac Walton reach one uh sort of from price road upstream to Boston that work is um actually taking shape right now and and a lot of the hardscape infrastructure is complete and just some landscaping and revegetation remaining on that in that project work upcoming as replacement of the Boston Avenue bridge as well as work on this section which we refer to as Isaac Walton reach 2 which i'll talk more about in a little bit where the city's partnering with the army corps of engineers on the design and construction of that phase sunset street bridge was replaced by boulder county a couple years after the flood and so that structure is new and then really moving west of sunset which is we refer to as city reach 3 and the first phase of that being hover road reach is work that is unfunded so we do have a master plan with some conceptual level design alternatives in place but but that work is currently not funded i have a short video that i'm going to try to play so i'm going to get out of um my slideshow presentation i was uh preparing this slideshow presentation and realized that this video is now about a year and a half old and um may be worth doing another aerial flight to permits on st. Vrain Creek here we go okay let me find my mouse and i will oh sorry oh sorry sorry so clearly i put together uh that presentation for a council meeting back in august of 2020 and um i like the very end of the of the video where you can see the work going on but there's been that work's complete now and a lot of vegetation is filled in so we'll have to try to update that video okay so back to the presentation it should be back on the screen again yes okay so as i'd mentioned um some of the work that's been completed uh the city reaches one two a and two b including replacement of several bridges over st. vrain creek some of the accolades for the project uh project received a 2018 apwa award for a sustainability for large communities and also an apwa car chapter award for parks and trails and that project was uh for the dickens farm nature area and then uh we've we have completed um as we complete improvements on the creek we are working on completing floodplain remapping which is one of the goals of the project to mitigate the floodplain um through sit through the city and so we've submitted on a letter of map revision for work uh up to city reach two a and then we are initiating a second letter of map revision for the recently completed work of replacement of the railroad bridge and the channel improvements associated with that phase that will help to start to to mitigate some of the flooding in the lower downtown area as we increase the capacity in the channel Isaac Walton reach one is the section that I said that was under construction again it's scheduled to be completed uh in the spring of this year um as we can get a chance to complete uh landscaping and revegetation that that was a section that was retaining walls and adjacent to the st. vrain mobile home park and sort of located behind the left hand brewing tasting room if uh you know for for landmark again the next phase going upstream is the work that we're doing with the army core of engineers through a public partnership agreement that work is from boston avenue up to sunset and includes the boston avenue bridge replacement and so the city is leading the effort for the design of the boston avenue bridge replacement and the army core of engineers are leading the design effort for the channel improvements starting from upstream of the bridge to sunset which includes reconstruction of a levy between isaac walton pond and st. vrain greek which helps protect um the split flows that we saw during 2013 where the isaac walton pond breached on the east side and um and and flooded down through uh first avenue and the railroad tracks so a little more information on phase two um and that partnership with the army core that's uh approximately a 15 million dollar project and we're cost sharing with the army core through that public partnership agreement the city's funding match comes from several sources one of those being just local funds matched that are required for design the army core gives credit to the city for land ownership and acquisition so the value of the property that the improvements are being made on are considered a part of the match and then work in kind and in this case the work in kind would be the boston avenue bridge replacement which is a significant portion of the city's match and in fact um a minimum would be a 35 local agency match so on the city side and we are matching up to 49 percent in this particular agreement because of the cost of that um boston avenue bridge replacement and then uh the the schedule for this work is that boston avenue bridge uh replacement is um as in final design the final design is actually complete and we're looking at going out to bid actually here in the next month or so on that project so that project should be under construction really in the second quarter of this year the army core is in um working on 65 design for the channel improvements uh through their section and and they are due to submit that design for review at the end of this month that would put them towards 95 design for the spring of this year and then they um would like to be at the bid on their section later this summer and starting construction late this summer early fall of this year for the channel improvements so as we complete one phase of the project um sort of dovetail into starting the next the next phase of work uh this uh map shows um some of the floodplain improvements tries to illustrate some of the floodplain improvements that are being completed for the project so the area in magenta is is you know sort of the main stem of st. brain creek uh the area in blue is is the 100 year flood plain um and then what you see is the hatched area is the area that's being removed from the floodplain as a part of the project now the the bulk of the area north of st. brain creek will not be completely removed from the floodplain until the project is complete up the sunset and that levy is constructed between isekwalt and pond and st. brain creek but this slide really does illustrate um the the improvements and the benefits of those improvements for the channel uh work that's being completed then what what you see to the west here is uh additional floodplain that'll be captured and and mitigated um when improvements are completed west of sunset and I have some slides upcoming that sort of illustrate that so again city reach three is from sunset street going west to airport road and we we would anticipate that work being completed phases similar to how the downstream project has been completed in the first phase or reach that we are are considering is the hover road reach so it would be improvements from sunset street upstream to hoover hoover road or hoover street including a new crossing a new bridge at hoover um the goal of this project is to capture out of bank flooding that's occurring upstream of hoover coming out of the south bank or the river right and flooding over hoover street and then into fairgrounds pond and the preferred design alternative is to create a split flow channel through fairgrounds pond to capture that overbank flooding and then return that uh that those flows back into the main stem of st. brain creek uh this work is about a 20 million project to get from sunset to hoover including a new crossing at hoover street um and the city's actively looking for grant funding um you know to complete that work and the benefits would be that this area that you see south of st. brain creek down to the railroad crossing and price road is is the 100-year floodplain and the area the area that's in sort of this salmon color would be the area that's removed from that floodplain with these project improvements being completed um so what is what is rsvp cost um the estimated total cost for the project is around 140 million dollars this slide illustrates the work that's been completed and or funded are the line items that you see in green so design and permitting uh the reaches that i've discussed the sandstone ranch reach the city reach up through 2b isaqualton reach one channel and isaqualton reach two which includes the replacement of the boston avenue bridge city reach three which i have shown here in red is is representing unfunded work and as i mentioned the first phase the hoover road reach would represent about 20 million dollars of that 60 million dollars that's unfunded to to total up again to the 140 million which doesn't include the work that's been completed on the bridge crossings which were funded out of um out of the street fund or the transportation so how do we pay for all these project improvements um funding came from several sources one of them was a 20 million dollar voter approved storm drainage bond following 2013 flood um we also utilize FEMA disaster recovery uh public public assistance alternative procedure so a pap project um housing and urban development community development block grants so cdbg dr disaster relief both of those were a result of funding that was available following the 2013 flood um we received some additional HUD funding through the governor's signature project and utilized that um on the city reach to be flood recovery project i mentioned the phase that we're working on with the army corps of engineers through their 205 program and the funding that they're partnering on with the city for that work and then finally on the bottom right there is some additional grant opportunities in the FEMA rick program they're building resilient infrastructure and communities program where we are actively trying to submit for grants to help fund the the hoover road reach last year city council did approve rate increases to the storm drainage fund and those rate increases will also can also be utilized and help fund some of this this unfunded work specifically the hoover road reach so that was my overview of the resilient st brain and sort of the status of the project and where we are today and where we're going and uh i'm happy to accept any questions does anyone have any questions of josh yes liz thank you josh um i know there's a lot of development being proposed for along the hoover reach can you reassure us that the that um housing development or retail development is going to be in at least parallel or be thought about during the design of the rsvp things um well i'm not sure specifically which development you're referring to but the the project improvements for that hoover road reach are primarily on city owned property through the rogers grove nature area and then where you see the crossing at hoover road um that there is some property that was annexed a few years ago um and and in that annexation agreement considered um you know the improvements needed for rsvp i.e. um any acquisition that might be needed for land west of over road for the channel improvements and that helps answer the question it does um i guess i was thinking about that former cement plant right there just oh that that there's been a lot of talk about what will happen with that and i'm thinking i want to be reassured that that's being considered in parallel because you're going to have development and traffic at the same time that all this other stuff is trying to be taken care of absolutely um as we move west through town um you know we've talked about it internally with regard to the boston avenue bridge replacement you know that project is anticipated to be replaced in phases um so we would you know shift traffic to one side of the bridge while we demo that structure to replace it similar to how main street and south parkway were replaced um and that would allow for that industrially area to continue to use boston as a truck route um in in the west east and west direction but specifically west out to hoover um as opposed to let's say an alternative where um sunset street bridge was replaced while the entire road was closed which occurred you know the road was closed after the flood anyways but that that project was constructed differently because it wasn't constructed in phases but a consideration for the replacement of boston would be in phases are there any other questions of josh or josh i see a hand you do okay i don't see any hands but whoever has their hand out it's david i just wanted to thank josh for a very informative presentation and confirm that once all the phases are complete there will be a continuous multi-use path yes uh when all the work is complete the st. brain greenway will be a full again good closed long time grass upstream we you know sort of open the section that's been completed but then we're you know rolling a closure upstream um adjacent to whatever work might be ongoing and so ultimately and eventually once the st. brain creek improvement project are completed uh the greenway trail would be you know accessible again all the way from golden ponds all the way out east to to sandstone range great thank you great any other questions of josh thank you josh that was that was most informative thank you you're welcome thank you for your time stop sharing here tyler and i'll return the presentation back over the meeting thank you josh appreciate it okay um our next item is uh sugar mill and steam project update erin fostick is going to be presenting for us with the city she's a principal planner i think yes hello good evening uh t.a. b board members can you hear me okay yes great um nice to see some of you again and nice to see some of you for the first time as chair steward just mentioned i'm a principal planner with the city's planning division and tonight what i wanted to do is just provide a brief overview of the sugar mill and steam sub area plan i did provide a communication with a link to a video we presented something similar to city council um last month and um have some additional maps that uh relate to transportation that you all will be interested in that we didn't share with council but really tonight is just information sharing and certainly if you have some high level um ideas or concepts that you want to share i'd love to hear those and then obviously any questions that you have so with that i will go ahead and share my screen and this is a different program than i typically use so bear with me if i share the wrong screen can you guys all see that yes okay great um and i also just want to give credit we are working with a consultant team that's led by stan tech um they're a an international planning firm planning and design and so this presentation was originally put together by them which is why you see their logo i do not obviously work for stan tech um so just to get us started i'm sure some of you have heard of this um but for others just to ground you last year late last year we um planning and redevelopment partnered with stan tech to produce a detailed sub area plan for what we're calling the sugar mill and steam areas it's sort of a mouthful but i'll be honest with you we couldn't come up with a better more descriptive project name so that's where we landed um and the reason that it's sugar mill and steam is because essentially there's two project areas and for those of you who had a chance to listen to the council discussion and certainly um council member yarborough was participating in that i believe you were there um these are really two distinct areas but what we're working to do is really think about how can we knit them together and i mentioned this because this is is a real opportunity from a connectivity perspective first and foremost but i do want to make mention that um the plan we're developing isn't going to be proposing a one size fits all solution for this 250 acre sub area so we know that there's different opportunities and challenges within different parts of the of the sub area frankly even within different parts of the steam area and different parts of the sugar mill area and we can get into those if you'd like as such there's going to be different opportunities for urban design treatments how we think about character in each of these areas how we integrate them through our multimodal network um and so we'll be looking at all that the other thing that this study is helping us do is take a look at phasing you know this is a pretty large area we've seen an increase in development interest obviously i think you just mentioned during the last item there's growth being proposed throughout longman in this area is no exception josh just mentioned that some areas near downtown will be removed from the flood plain with some of the resilient st brain project and portions of the steam area are included in that and so we really need to think about what makes sense from a phasing perspective and what makes sense for public and private investments in infrastructure and so this plan will help us look at all that and create a essentially a framework that we can work with the community and work with the development community and property owners on we've developed some high level goals for the project and if you go to our engaged long mon site we have these up there and we're interested in hearing from the community on as we think about these high level goals what is most important so obviously we know that housing is incredibly important to our community and so how can we think about diverse housing options at appropriate locations in the study area and that would be a wide range of types different types of ownership different types of price points and so we're thinking about all of those things obviously transportation is huge i've mentioned that a few times and i know you all are interested in that we're looking at both internal connectivity and also how do we connect to other areas of longmont and how do we connect to the larger region and what you know what makes most sense from for a variety of different modes in terms of development as i mentioned there's a lot of interest in various portions of this area we want to make sure that this development is well connected to the existing portions of longmont both in the traditional sense but also in terms of the type of development that we're seeing from a community perspective we want to think about building on the work that some of you may have participated in with the steam visioning that council led in 2019 to really think about how we incentivize and encourage cultural arts facilities and innovation and creativity i do want to be clear you know we're not talking about replacing downtown we're not talking about replacing the museum the maker space that we have but how can we build on that you know long months got such an incredible community of artists and innovators and makers and what can this space add to that so we're interested in learning more about that and then finally sort of an overarching goal around sustainability making sure that we're looking at long-term sustainability and resilience with regard to sustainability development building practices low impact development green infrastructure so those things are all kind of the high-level goals that are guiding us through this project i'm going to go through a few maps i don't expect you to you know be able to see all the detail on this because i know there is a lot of detail but just to highlight a few things as i mentioned we started this project in late 2021 and so a lot of what we did through the holidays because frankly it's not a great time to be out and about in the community and working with stakeholders is we were collecting existing information and so the series of maps that i'm about to show you are just that showing kind of what the existing world looks like as it relates to transportation and you know tyler phil and i ben will all be reviewing these more closely if you see anything that seeks out certainly let us know but what you see here is the street network obviously we have a variety of different roadway classifications all the way from arterials and collectors down to local roads i think what's important to note here is the steam area which generally is the western portion of the study area kind of from martin to main street west has a lot more connectivity and porosity in terms of the streets that exist as you move further east connectivity is a little bit more limited and so you you know that's something we'll really need to look at traffic volumes probably not a surprise to this group main street carries quite a bit of volume ken pratt third avenue and then obviously as you move further east we're carrying quite a bit of volume and so thinking about opportunities for new roadway connections and what that might do for traffic volumes also thinking about the work that tyler and his group do in terms of planning for signalization what makes sense in the future we're taking all of this information in as we think a little bit more about pedestrian access again i think similarly the western side of the study area probably has better facilities and access currently a little bit more isolated so to speak in portions of the eastern study area but that's something that this plan can definitely address bike infrastructure is essentially sort of the same story right we've got a pretty robust network and more plans in the work on the western side we really need to focus and think about how we connect to the neighborhoods to the north of the sugar mill also to mill village to the southeast and obviously the the greenway trail system that we just talked about during your last item and so we'll be taking a look at all of those opportunities as we move forward the western portion of the study area is served by a variety of transit routes the eastern area not so much sort of a theme that you're probably seeing here but we do have a variety of local routes that are adjacent to the steam area and some regional routes as well also opportunities with the future brt and the future kaufman street corridor which i'm sure you all are well aware of so we're kind of taking a look at what opportunities that presents for the steam area obviously this is adjacent to the future first in main facility which creates incredible opportunities both from a transportation perspective but also from a place making perspective and so that's something we'll be looking at closely and then finally railroads present an interesting challenge and opportunity you can see here that there are several rail lines in in and adjacent to the study area and so we'll be working with property owners and transportation folks within the city to think about what opportunities exist for potential realignments obviously there's already been some work done you know emory and first you know that was a major project i think that tyler i'm sure has shared with you and that's that's recently completed so we'll see you know more improvements in terms of rail crossings but as we think about potential connectivity options in an adjacent to the study area we really need to think about railroads and what our options are so that's something that that the project team will be looking at in great detail also worth mentioning while it's not specifically related to transportation there are a number of development projects and interest in development that are not even formal projects yet and so that's why it's so important that we do this sub area plan right now because what we're finding is a lot of folks are coming to the city with development ideas and asking you know what's the city's vision and we certainly have some of that high level guidance in our comprehensive and multimodal transportation plan but we don't have detail on that and so we want to be able to provide detail on what does the community think is the most appropriate adaptive reuse for the sugar mill historic sugar mill buildings what does the community think is going to be most effective as we think about that steam area and its adjacent seat at dickens farm nature area and the transit station and so i just show this to let you kind of take all in the projects that are currently under review and projects that we've had pre application meetings for which is essentially the very first stage in our development process so lots of opportunities within this sub area and i'm not going to go through all these in detail but suffice it to say we're not starting from scratch there's been a lot of planning work done in this area city council as i mentioned did some visioning in 2019 they had three meetings with an advisory panel we had an urban land institute technical advisory panel come and give some really robust recommendations on the sugar mill adaptive reuse we recently completed a main street corridor plan which i know we presented to this group back in 2018 2019 first in main has been undergoing extensive planning since really 2012 this is also a gateway to longmont from the east and a gateway to downtown from the south and so there are some opportunities for place making there i've already mentioned housing we think this is a real opportunity for looking at some of those missing middle housing types that might be you know sort of between really high dense housing and single family detached we think there's a market for that here and we'll i'll show you that here in just a second with the market study we had done obviously some incredible opportunities to integrate with the existing open space system that's already been established along the river and connect to the trail system that's part of the st rain greenway excuse me for just a second from a transportation perspective we'll be taking a look at best practices there's some really great examples throughout our region the nation of complete streets and how we might apply those to some of the streets within an adjacent to the study area we'll also be looking at opportunities for green infrastructure and low impact development and then again building on the existing assets that are within an adjacent to the study area several challenges that we need to be aware of and i've already alluded to to some of these so i won't belabor this but i mentioned we need to evaluate um existing signalization and then what the plan is for the future and think about how we're going to handle traffic on these streets there's a lack of connectivity in and around the sugar mill and so what does that look like you may be familiar with the extension that we currently show on our comprehensive plan of pay street but i think you know over the years we've realized that that may not be the most practical way to provide connectivity to this site and so we'll be looking at other options for connecting the sugar mill area to the north in particular i've mentioned some of the challenges with the railroad crossings there's some questions being considered on what does a realignment mean is that the same as a relocation and and what would that take to work with the railroads we have this great trail system that goes along the south end of the study area we also have a railroad that could potentially inhibit our access so how can we connect to the same brain greenway effectively and then obviously um probably not a surprise that there are some environmental conditions that are going to need to be mitigated in and around the sugar mill site itself and so as part of this project we worked with our consultant to prepare brownfields grant and that would help us to plan for the cleanup activities there certainly is some really interested developers in this area that are working on doing the correct kind of environmental assessments and sampling that are really needed and so we're we're moving forward with that aspect and have have done some um environmental assessments in the area and then finally you know josh just mentioned the floodplain issues um those are real those need to be understood and um figure out from a timing perspective what that means for this project i'm not going to spend a lot of time on this um but we've tyler and i thought it might be interesting for you one of the pieces of information that we included as part of our sub area plan was really to do um to look at the market and our consultant team um one of the subs on our consultant team did recently did an office and industrial market study for longmont and so he was able to sort of confirm and update that um taking a look at maybe what some of the implications from COVID and the future of work but also to add in some of the housing information and so basically what we found from that study is that long months changing this is not a surprise to any of us um we are getting older and we're growing in terms of our number of non-traditional households so that's really the growing demand that we see going forward in terms of our growth and what that means is different housing preferences and so um you know longmont wants to have a wide variety of housing to uh accommodate a wide variety of residents and we think that the study area can help with that um we also know that growth is slowing it probably doesn't feel that way to residents um i know i get a lot of calls i'm sure councilmember yarbrough gets or will get calls on growth um but there is a forecasted slowing of growth both lot nationally and locally and that's you know really a result of again preference declining birth rates people waiting longer to have children and a number of other things there's also um you know some implications for how migration um cost of housing and lots of different factors that are contributing to this both in long month but frankly throughout the state let me get back over here um in terms of our economy you know we are recovering um but there's a lot of things that are frankly unknowns and so we look at inflation labor shortages supply chain issues those are all really challenging i think to deal with from a market study perspective because we just don't know what the timing or um you know how long these impacts are going to last um so the study does point to longmont being well positioned in terms of our economic growth um and so you know we obviously have quite a concentration of the right type of industries that position us well um to capture some of the economic growth going forward and the study area does as well um so the recommendations are really again meeting our housing demand with a mix of housing types both for sale and for rent which council mentioned were really important um thinking about those different missing middle housing types thinking about how we continue to have both big a affordable um consistent with our requirements and also attainable housing um that will help meet the needs of our growing population um and then in terms of other specific types um not just housing there still continues to be a lot of demand for industrial space in longmont um and that translates to demand for e-commerce space flex space warehouse space adaptive reuse which bodes well for the study area and then we are able to capture some of this even though longmont is not necessarily inexpensive we may be lower cost than some of our neighbors um office i think is a real unknown still and i think the report will show that um you know the great reset work from anywhere what does the future of work look like we're still trying to figure that out but this report shows us that longmont has a lot of talent we have space that can be transformed and we can really look to the benefits of being that small and mid-sized city um some of you may have read some of those reports of the rise of the the small city the mid-sized city we've got a great downtown um a thriving restaurant brewery scene and people want to live here right and if you can work anywhere longmont might be a place you want to you want to relocate to um and then finally with retail um retail has been something that has been unknown even before covid but i think that just exacerbated the change so we need to look at maybe some different opportunities than we'd traditionally think of such as micro fulfillment centers um our tap report that i mentioned we conducted in 2020 looked at um maybe focusing on this sugar mill as kind of an agrihub and how can we really embrace the history of food production and sustainability to create something really cool there um obviously food and beverage continues to um be a big piece of our retail scene in longmont so um flexibility and convenience are really what we're looking at in terms of kind of our future outlook and then i'll sort of close with community and stakeholder outreach you know we really want to understand what the community needs and interests are as it relates to the sub area um and build on development and redevelopment efforts that are underway as i've mentioned when not starting from scratch we've done a lot of outreach through the main street plan the comp plan um steam visioning and so we're definitely mining all of that information so we'll be doing a lot of confirming um with the community we want to be inclusive we want to hear from a number of folks and so we're really excited to hopefully work with growing up bolder to stage a number of community meetings um in probably february and march to really engage families and children to think about kind of what could be in terms of adaptive reuse in this agrihub and so we're excited about that we have had a couple meetings with property owners and prospective developers to to figure out what their ideas and visions are for the areas and we'll continue that and then obviously you know city council will make the ultimate recommendation on this plan but we hope to have a recommendation from the transportation advisory board in the spring as well prior to going to council um we have a project web page and we have a project page on engaged long month if you haven't been to engage long month that's where we will be sharing the majority of our information so we've really just launched that site early late last year early this year so we'll be putting information out there doing some brief serving and polling um and engaging the community that way obviously i think the caveat i would throw out there is like everything else you know little uncertainty with covid um we hope to do some in-person engagement um right now we're sort of focused on um informing the community and getting feedback online but hopefully we'll be able to to meet people um face to face and get some some great feedback um including from tab so with that i would love to take any questions that you have if you have ideas or thoughts that you'd like to see incorporated um i would love to entertain those too thank you erin that was wonderful are there any questions of erin about this presentation it looks like liz maybe has her hand up okay liz thank you and erin that was a really really um informative presentation thank you for putting that together for us my observation is because i find myself driving to the ups center all the time i observe that the east side auto junkyard is not included in the city boundaries and it's not part of any of this development it looks like through all of this beautification we're going to have that sitting there will it be either an aesthetic or even a hazmat issue to leave it sitting there like that it's kind of unpleasant but not picking on anybody's business but it's just there yeah you know that's a really good observation so i would say a couple things in response to your question first and foremost there are several properties within the study area that are not yet within the city so this whole area including the property you just mentioned is within our planning area but there's a number of properties that have not yet been annexed to the city some of those have some pretty significant cleanup issues so to speak in terms of that specific property you know it was a real challenge to sort of figure out where this study area should stop and so we we really looked towards the previous studies that had been done because that's where we had some existing data we had some community input and and that was a property that i really struggled with so while this won't likely provide specific recommendations on properties outside the study area i think that property is a great example of we're seeing a little bit of interest but we know again that there's probably some some cleanup issues that will need to occur before redevelopment can can happen and so we'll just probably work we as planning staff you know we as the community it's not like we're going to turn our backs and say well that wasn't in the sub area we can't you know we can't figure out a solution for that so i think oftentimes what happens is when you have you know a detailed plan it sometimes acts as a catalyst for other things and so that's sort of what i would anticipate with some of the properties that are right adjacent to this because i had a tendency to try to creep and my study area kept getting bigger and bigger and it was like okay rain yourself back in you know we've got to have something manageable and so yeah you're right there that's probably one that we need to continue to think about thank you anyone else i've got a question um and first to comment fantastic presentation very comprehensive um the complete street idea for third avenue um is there much ability to make the type of changes to third avenue to really make it i'll say pedestrian bike you know multi-use friendly versus almost like annexing you know rogers road or something that's within the boundaries there that would almost be a maybe a bypass i'm just curious because i've driven third avenue and it's obviously not the best street and i think it would be a challenge especially on a bike or as a pet or in you know another form of mobility yeah you know steve that's a really good question and i'm glad that you brought it up because i think that's absolutely something we'd want to talk about with tab and i know tyler tyler and i and phil if you were here although i'm sure he's happy he's in hawaii instead of here with us um we've talked about third avenue a lot and i think for those of us who have been in the community for a while before you know the ken pratt extension was in third avenue has always been um kind of viewed as as what it is right in arterial roadway and i think you know i would would ask tyler to weigh in here too you know it still will carry significant traffic volumes but the consultants brought that up as an opportunity you know as we think about um creating more connections to the north as we think about how do we weave this area together with the rest of longmont is there an opportunity to take some of that right of way and potentially have you know more intersections more porosity um more traffic calming and i know that that might not be exactly what tyler wants me to say right now when he can weigh in um but i think it's something we ought to explore you know does that become more of a truly multimodal boulevard i mean we've we've sort of started that with the the side paths that are on the north side and on portions of the south side what else could could we envision there so i think it's something we should explore is it something that's viable based on you know the volumes that it needs to carry and the function of the roadway i think we need to explore that and i don't know tyler what you want to add i think you hit the highlights there and i think the only i guess one short term kind of small project we're looking at we are doing a chip seal a portion of third avenue this upcoming year and we're looking at if there's any opportunities with that chip seal to change up the striping to try and add some of that as maybe a short term interim improvement to get us towards what the ultimate is and i think the outcomes of this study that the sugar mill once we have a better understanding of once the report is the study is done and packaged up we'll have a better idea for what types of volumes we are looking at there and it might be able to make some better decisions based on that information at that time i guess the other last thing i would ask on third avenue has a potential brt type of almost sub route to be a feeder to go into downtown and almost be more of a corridor for public transportation as opposed to cars and i know that's a constraint based on traffic but i just don't see it as a complete street with either traffic calming or sherros or anything like that versus it being almost more useful as a means to kind of you know move the most amount of people in the quickest amount of time that's just my two cents on that that's helpful thank you any other questions for erin okay thank you erin that was wonderful very important thank you very much for your time and i appreciated all the little blue places where we could go further and find out projects there were some really great things that that cheese factory in oregon that was fun very fun thank you all right okay now it's time for comments from board members um joe are you on the line well there you are joe you have any comments this evening yes no great content all pieces that were of interest so i don't have any particular comments well done by the team staff thank you how about steve liner oops there we go sorry i had to unmute um i would just echo what joe just said i think the reports have been very good tonight uh a lot of information and uh you know button up drop everything thank you liz um i echo the thanks to the staff and to everyone and to the people that called for the important information tonight um it occurred to me after we finished talking about it that the safety of that third avenue intersection there at third and sherman is going to be really important when we um are rebuilding the boston avenue bridge because i remember before there was the boston avenue going through there on third and everybody went from third to get from main to hover and that's going to be even more important that traffic calming and the parking is going to be really critical while we're rebuilding that bridge south of it so i just wanted to mention that something to think about thank you thank you liz david i appreciate uh all of the very useful information that we received i have one question in the in the context of the site that we were looking at what does the acronym steam refer to um sorry i should have i should have mentioned that um it's a it's a little bit of a flip on stem so it's uh science technology engineering and in this case arts and maker space yeah okay so maker replaces mathematics i mean i think you could do math and maker if you wanted to do steam squared yes is there an educational component there's absolutely an educational component david and if you look at some of the visioning um that council led in 2019 and i'm happy to connect you with that really some of the impetus of that was how could we get institutes of higher ed to really be interested in this area we've long worked with front range who's you know an awesome member of our community but what other opportunities might there be to bring education together as part of the center of innovation and creativity and so education is absolutely a piece of this what that looks like post-covid i think is anyone's guess um but we're still exploring those options thank you erin diane any comments well i have a question now that we're talking about steam in what ways do you think that steam doesn't um easily connect with the the um sugar mill area what what about the steam project is so different from from the sugar mill area it's a question that i have um i don't know if erin's still on she is yeah hi i i guess i should have asked you if you wanted to be referred to as council members or uh board members or by your first name so i will just answer the question since i didn't ask that um you know it's not something that we honestly clued in on too much we do recognize that there are some different challenges and opportunities in a number of ways but that was really something that council brought up at their discussion when we met with them back on december 14th i think there was some strong feelings by some members on council that we really shouldn't be combining these um for whatever reason and and i think there's you know there are some reasons that we might combine them there's some other reasons why we might look at them separately and so i think what i took away from that discussion was that the sub area plan should really be deliberate about how we look at things that make sense to look at together like transportation and how we really separate those things that may be um are different so proximity to downtown and main street might have different types of character from your built environment right so um i think the concern was mostly brought up by council and just wanted to talk through that a little and i just want to make sure as i move forward that i'm representing that perspective because it was it was brought up by several council members okay thank you this has been very informative and i i'm acknowledged how knowledgeable all of you are about transportation in our town thank you shakita for seeing that i got appointed to this board and recommending me for it and i look forward to working with you more so thank you and i just want to thank um council um for being here and for tyler and and ben and everyone's work on making presentations and answering our questions tonight for josh and erin both being here um you've done really good work and um it's exciting to see the changes that are being projected out into the future but we can be a part of that and uh good change for long months so thank you um and now i'm going to ask uh council member yarr borough do you have any comments for us this evening the presentations have been so great and so informative so i'm just absorbing it all and i appreciate all of your kind welcome to me and so this is this is great i'm excited for the future thank you okay are there any uh updates on transportation meetings um tyler that you want to mention since you sent out them the meeting notes haven't um haven't had any come up since but if anything comes up between now and the next meeting i'll send information and how to participate to the board okay our next board meeting is february the 22nd on valentine's day and you have down here that dr cog denver regional council of governments will be talking about their transportation improvement program it would likely be staff discussion on tip tip projects that we would be looking for potential funding sources for in terms of the the doctor about their their annual grant funding cycle okay all right do we know if there's anybody else on line uh on the phone to talk to us see a call-in user two on here still and i don't know if that's the same that spoke before but um you're still on you can unmute yourself and and tell us your name and your address if if they're on by phone um do they perhaps need someone else to unmute them i don't know do you know tyler um they shouldn't be able to unmute themselves stacey is there a way that you can unmute call-in user two i made attempt to unmute and it's not allowing me to so so they would have to do it on their end okay okay well i'm gonna say if there's not any other business we're just gonna go ahead and adjourn i have one question yes did i understand you to say that um the next meeting is february 14th yes thank you i'd like to spend our heart night together all right thank you all for being here we'll see you live next month very good good night good night