 Oh, hello. There we go. Howdy. Howdy. Do you have a face? No Well, I do. Okay. Is that all right? Yeah, that's fine Mm-hmm. I was gonna say we're vaguely connected because you're familiar with a couple of guys from FNT, right? Oh Geeks and Gamers. Yeah. Yeah, I'm uh, I see them every once in a while if we sort of make stuff together Oh, are you pals with them? Yeah. Yeah, Jeremy on very good teams with I'm Ryan. I didn't know what I'm getting into Oh, no, no. All right. Well, you know, it's cool. Yeah, I think I think the people in chat are just excited That's all like this happens on all kinds. Yeah, I never know what I get. So yeah No, well, so you occupy a really interesting space in Star Wars fandom for me because I often sort of see a split Let's say like with TLJ is the people who love it the people who hate it is typically how it goes It's some people are indifferent somewhat, but You know like with the the Disney era and the development of the Filoni stuff the Fabros stuff I feel like there's loads of splinters now And so I thought your video was fascinating when you were saying like enough is enough You know Disney's been damaged in this way that way and the other we on you know EFAP and my channel we believe like the rot sets in the second Disney buys Star Wars like it's it's already Game over almost Retroversially we thought that Mando season one was Significantly flawed for writing like it damages characters and damages will building But we were relatively tolerant of it season two is much worse And then season three was a catastrophic and then if you move over to book above effect in Kenobi We thought those were awful and I think we share very similar reasoning on like why for Kenobi for example Yeah, then there's a soka which I think you guys like relative fans of one through six episodes Seven eight of the ones one through yeah, I enjoyed and then yeah seven and eight Yeah We were we were the impression that like the show from the get goes already in serious trouble like in terms of writing pacing Sort of different aspects, but you know We still appreciate a lot of the stuff that I think you guys probably would have loved right like I still think the best thing of the show is Ray Stevenson Absolutely. Yeah, and that's the thing is it's it's in every Star Wars project They make it's still at the end of the day has Star Wars So it's going to have these underlying themes of a lightsaber or the force or something But at the end of the day, that's not exactly what makes Star Wars what Star Wars is and I think that's Where you come in is you really? Kind of make that evident that it's it's not just about using the force or or being a Skywalker or whatever There's more to it. I was gonna say that sort of feels like maybe where we split significantly where I Thought Andal was excellent, and it's the best thing that Disney's ever made for Star Wars while you Don't want to sell you in a particular way, but you think it's boring and maybe good But not Star Wars blade runner is a you know when I was watching it I actually was enjoying the show. I just wanted to see a lot more in terms of Something happening, I guess I wanted to see I wanted to see Jedi and lightsabers and this and that and I think because I've been so Deprived from Disney that I'm just Hungry for it at this point where I just constantly I want to see it because I haven't you know We got a glimpse of that little bit at the end of Mando season 2 with Luke, and I mean That's it. That's all that I've been fed so it's looking I want more Would it be safe to say that that's probably one of the you consider one of the greatest things to come out of Disney Star Wars Mando to season 2 finale No, no, no because I know because it If that were the case then I would you know choose a fan film that was just pure action or whatever pure lightsabers to be the best sort of thing But it's not the case It was just a moment that really captivated me after the last Jedi and feeling you know I was in a position where like I am the largest Star Wars channel And so I'm kind of like I don't want to propagate anger and hatred and I don't want to propagate Being a shill. So it's like I felt I have to kind of sit in this middle position where like I'm very hopeful that Lucas foam would come up with something that obviously makes sense with the last Jedi and At that point Season 2 was a rise out yet. I think I think rise was already out. So it was done of Skywalker. Yeah Yeah, so it was already done. So that so for me it was like wow We actually get to see Luke Skywalker in some capacity that we wanted to see him in the last 40 plus years Which was amazing We only saw it for a few minutes and he just comes in there kind of like he did with at the end with Jabba's Palace of the Kamoran guards just Very stoic and very in control and it was like just took me back to being a child So for me, that's not the best moment that Disney has made in Star Wars. I think the the best Project would have to probably be either tales of the Jedi or Did really like Rogue one Yeah, probably tales of the Jedi or Clone Wars Season 7. Yeah, okay So not the Martez sisters part but the you know the last four episode last four the last four Yeah, that's that's that was to me, you know, okay, then to the Sith. Yeah Over on my corner of the internet We create reactions to a lot of the Star Wars shows they come out a bit late Because we edit them up sort of for copyright protection and animations and stuff We kind of hated the season 2 finale for Mando and the reason was we we felt the writing was on the wall When TLJ happened a lot of the criticism of it. If I don't know if you remember they were like you Idiots you all you wanted was to Luke to just turn up and kill all of the 88 He's looking awesome blah blah blah instead of appreciating the character I'm appreciating his his nature that he was actually the true hero Embodied Luke Skywalker even though he doubted it himself. Yeah, I don't know if you're familiar with my work But it does I despise TLJ. I think it's like one of the worst insults to a franchise that ever existed It damaged everything. I agree. I think that on a sort of wider scale. It destroyed Potentially one of the most profitable IPs in history by splintering the fan basin like it's clean cut in two Which is not something you really want to do now. I thought that Disney We're going to Reflexively overcompensate thanks to that reaction with giving us stuff like hey look Luke's there and he's killing robots now Okay, yeah, and they're so careful about it. They're not even willing to have him talk very much They're not willing to have him interact very much. There's like look at him. He's like he's in carbonite They don't want him to be touched. He's really cool. He kills stuff. He's strong Please don't say anything else and that's why that finale felt so weird to us He just turns up. He doesn't talk to anybody doesn't want to know what's going on It's not curious at all about all the roles of the people in that room We don't know much about why he's there beyond that and it feels like it's just not Luke Skywalker at all We call him Luke skin Walker and we did again because of the obviously the animation and the graphic design on him as well And then we were like shit. Is this the future for Star Wars? Is this all we're gonna be getting and then of course if I was to label to you as you're familiar with What did they do with Qui-Gon in the Kenobi show? What was that? Absolute disrespect. What did they do with Obi-Wan when he needed the strength to defeat Darth Vader? He thought about Leia. I'm not saying you can't have her as an inspiration, but where's Qui-Gon? Where's Luke? No, what's going on? Yeah, and you're familiar with how bad book above effect in Kenobi are but like these criticisms We have I feel reflect quite significantly on some of the stuff that you guys as far as I'm aware praise. Yes And so we see Katherine Kennedy is a problem as of course has been highlighted now by South Park But we actually John Favreau and Dave Filoni also to blame for damaging Star Wars Meanwhile, I think you see them as more of the correct custodians to take it forward. I think they're the only custodians we have Unless we get new talent in there I mean who who else is a better option than these guys that we have I assume your concern will be that you want a creative and talented artist But also someone who cares very much about the integrity of Star Wars. Exactly. I Suppose we wish it we want to find those people right those creators has got to be some out there That's the way I look at things is that I don't judge Disney Star Wars on George Lucas Star Wars. There's a very big distinction in my mind of the two Everything I see with Disney Star Wars. I'm It's it's like you're play fighting with a child, you know, oh, you beat me. Oh You know, it's that's how we approach things If if Star Wars episode 10 was coming and they said it's going to be directed by JJ and written by JJ And if I said to you well better than Ryan Like that. That's not, you know, I consider that unacceptable. I'd be like, well, they're both horrible for this franchise when you keep them away Absolutely, but I mean what They're not going to listen to us. You know, I'm not I can't make a video. They think, well, that sucks We got to, you know, maybe you get someone else. How long have we all been saying that and absolutely But like I don't think we should like you've expressed support for felonian favor, right? Absolutely. Yeah, except for both of it And And Ahsoka's episode seven and eight, right? But I kind of leave that to just Kathleen meddling in but at the end of the day, I don't know Maybe it truly is John and Dave having some Vision that I don't I mean, I assume you're familiar with John's recent work with the Lion King, right? Yeah, how he made everything kind of horrendous completely spat on the original and completely fucked it up And despite the fact that it made a ridiculous amount of money, which are then spawned as all of these horrible live action remakes He's responsible. He's it's his baby I Would very much have sung the praises of john favreau at a particular time in history I adore iron man And then of course, there's a lot of works that come after that and before that are really top notch Yeah, but I I absolutely believe he's lost his way Especially when you consider the behind the scenes stuff of iron man too, right? He quits marvel because of the way they treat Artists he's not interested and then he comes back to disney Yeah, what's going on there? And it's like well, it's more than likely that he's more than familiar with how they crush artistry And he just doesn't mind anymore is so it's definitely good for me arising in a career making more money Yeah, well, I mean at the end of the day he's a filmmaker and he wants to make star wars But I feel like they just eye his hand so much But again, I don't know Well, so I guess at that point, you know, do we blame jj and ryan even or do we say it's kk? I mean we blame jj and ryan for having a shit script and then blame kk for appointing them as the people with full control for I wouldn't even see arguably one of the most potentially Huge franchises of all time Yeah, I completely agree and to continue the skywalker saga after george I mean and I I always see this argument made online It's like well the sequels made a billion dollars and think well, no shit You have six years of movie six different films Oh, it's spanning 40 years and you take a 10 year hiatus between episode three and then episode Seven you're going to be curious. I mean they could have literally had like a Someone peeling an egg for episode seven and people would have still bought tickets for it because they want to see okay Yeah, episode seven, you know, so it they're using this argument constantly and I just don't think that it really Has any validity whatsoever because it's just well it's star wars people are going to see it regardless because of what george created Yeah, no, I'm with you completely and they've even damaged that right like the amount of people who go and see episode 10 It's going to be significantly less now compared to if the sequel trilogy will be even Wait until you see the ray movie We'll see the the analytics of the ray movie and it's like zoom you assume like I do That's one of the biggest mistakes that could have made is to announce they're making a ray movie after everything I'm not even surprised man And and the thing is it's like but it's almost at the point now where it's like Become satire. So it's like it's you know, the are you familiar with the movie the room? Yes, yeah, so it's almost like people now want to go see it to see how shit it is Yeah, no disrespect to the room. I had a hilarious, you know masterpiece, but uh You know, it's like how many people are now going to see the movie because they want to continue the story How many people are going to see the movie so they can see how ridiculously horrible it is It's like you're just watching a train wreck people want to watch the world burn sometimes And they're going to get a lot of money from that Yeah, I mean marvels in the exact same state the amount of discussion I've seen over the marvels is more so about seeing the train wreck than seeing it because they're interested in where the story's going Next see those for youtube for people who are hated, you know a click of view is the same thing Is there still going to be paid whether it's people who love them or people who go to see them to just Trash on them or hate them And so yeah, um, I guess the big difference between you and I and I just find it fascinating is the um The sort of promotion and celebration of their work just by the fact It seems that you guys are very critical of a lot of the portfolio for favro and felonian stars Which isn't a contradiction. It's just interesting What do you mean by critical by for what so Mando season three or Ahsoka's later episodes or yeah, like the influence because uh feloni Would it not be it would be safe to consider Ahsoka was his baby, right? He was in the massive amount of control of the story being told there I would assume yeah And so like to me that was the last straw like a lot of people were telling me for a long time Feloni is one of the best we could ask for forward star wars continuation But I was like this is not the guy for the job. You know, maybe it's sam whitworth at this point I don't know. I would yeah. I'd be on board with trying sam whitworth I mean isn't skeleton crew is being made by john watz, right? Yeah john watz I'd happily give john watz a try see what he can do What is skeleton crew even about like a bunch of no idea? It's nobody knows duties in space I heard the villain was the pirate from Mando three. Well, I don't know. He's the villain. He's in there But I don't think he's the big the big bad of skeleton crew Steve urkel. Yep Oh, jeez. He's a pirate. Okay. He's yeah two hours of makeup every day to be a pirate Mahler, it's the way I see her. Let me paint a picture. So imagine Imagine your royalty for majority of your life all of a sudden your parents die and Now you're cast out in the desert to survive for yourself and you're you're crawling on the sand There's the hot sun on you every day cold nights creatures trying to kill you and attack you And someone comes along and throws you I don't know whatever like a sweet A little juice box You're going to look at them. You're like, oh, thank you lord. Thank you so much. You're amazing. You're every But it doesn't mean that this is the best scenario. This is everything that I wanted like you used to be royalty You were treated the best and that's george lucas star was in my opinion But now it's at the point where We're scrounging for scraps as danos would say and it's like What else do we have if we don't have feloni? Who else is gonna step in? I don't know. Hopefully somebody great, you know But we don't have that so at this point. I'm I'm clamoring For luke skywalker to come in swing in his lights here because that's what I've been wanting I just want to see that I didn't get to see that in the last jet I was a shit film an unbelievably horrible script the characters themselves the actors themselves didn't even know Who the heck they were who they were playing until the final end of the episode nine and they were like even they were like What the hell? I mean fin was Potentially had such a great role that we could have given him But he was just given this sort of as he said the token black guy and They just did this constantly with all of these films They had a disjointed script and so it left me very pissed off and all the while I'm still trying to be very hopeful And say okay. Well, you know, I don't want to be Toxic which is just speaking my opinion and I don't want to be a shill. So it's like You have this pent up emotion in me for years and then finally at this point I'm gonna fuck. It's all fucked. It's all destroyed. There's no there's nothing left What is left? So we have a few scraps of Dave Filoni giving us this and that and that's it. That's all we got That's the only little bit of Semblance that I have to go back to being a child unless I just dedicate to my channel doing one to six in the clone wars I mean, which I've talked about doing So it's I mean, you know with everything that releases you can always talk about In a very calm way like, you know, maybe what changes you would have made You can always consume the the content and then talk about it Because you know, it sounds like what you're saying is like, what am I going to do? Just hate everything that comes out and it's like, well, there's always options for a coverage, right? Not so much about hating. I would love to Dude, I would love to cover everything. Uh, just you know, normal cadence and a normal, uh, motion but Every tweet everything I say is clipped into oblivion is Rearranged so I look like some person that I'm not And completely blown out of proportion on anything that I say So it almost creates this sort of anger where I just I now want to poke Even more because I'm being poked And to me, it's like well I just want to be left alone. I would love to discuss anything about Star Wars But at the end of the day, it's it's almost like I'm at this point where the spotlight is always there where I'm just, uh ridiculed for having in my own opinions And it's by the most intolerable people that I have zero respect for means point, you know, I assume it's no surprise to you or uh, you know, the lads here Look, I have the same thing. I'm constantly Shadowed and this is no shot against you guys But obviously a lot of people in your chat hate me because I represent a further along the spectrum Like I'm over the side that hates things even more than you guys could possibly But the thing is by occupying that space You have the unfortunate reality of possibly being hated by both sides of it So to speak if you know what I mean Because on my end I'm like, why are you being so kind to these this down the other and then everyone else? It's like why are you being so hateful to these? Yeah, um, so yeah, that's unfortunate and annoying Especially when I appreciate a nuanced opinion as much as the next person And to be honest with you from speaking to you this briefly It sounds like your appreciation of felonies more so because there's nothing else you can do in terms of appreciating Star Wars creators Of course, if you're hungry and starving for food Would you not appreciate the half-eaten the doughnut in the Dungee alley of the dumps well sure, but if you were provided tfa TLJ and tros all at once would we then praise the one we thought was the best because the others are so much They're just so bad No Why? Because they're all shit So obviously this is the thing my position is the asoka is shit mando seasons at least two and three a shit You know, I mean, so I'm a little bit confused on the separation I suppose I imagine you take issue with kanobi and boba fat because of how badly they represent the characters And like the damage to the world building which is exactly how I feel about asoka. Yes You know like you felt that with the soak Yeah, like how did you guys feel about throne? um, he's kind of a pussy Yeah, we did a little bit better a lot of them. Yeah, you know He wasn't like how he was in the air to the empire at all a lot of our fans were really excited Because they were like throne. That's the guy who can tie this together He can finally bring a point to the enemies He can make them stronger again because We've been dealing with stupid stormtroopers and stupid commanders now for what feels like the entire tenure of Disney star wars to be nice to have someone competent finally Because I don't know if you guys know but even ryan when he was writing TLJ said that when he took hucks from tfa He was like this guy is just so funny. He's such a funny character. I can't wait to like do funny things with him I just like I don't even know like some of the thoughts. Yeah, you know, sorry got there, but Thrown we were fascinated by I'd never seen a character that loses so often and recontextualizes every loss is actually i'm winning Yeah, it's the most embarrassing thing ever and of course we have we're not as invested in the um Expanded stuff before they got decolonized anyway The the throne had this reputation and so we were excited to kind of see him He was often sold to us as the tywin of star wars tywin minus it um And then we saw that we were like what the hell is this like and of course everyone was like they've ruined him They've absolutely fucking ruined him. Yeah, you know, and that's gone now and it's a feloni creation He's he's taken a character and he's i'm afraid like I don't know how to put it But he can't write a competent leader no He didn't well, I feel like he did that very well with balan, but Like he built his story. Well, and then what happened the last two episodes. We just completely didn't even focus on them Um, I that's the thing that's why I said Ray Stevenson rather than balan I'm not actually I don't fully understand balan as a character And there's a couple of decisions you made in the season that I find very odd like Especially a soca in relation to him right like do you remember? When she's coming in to save her friends, but she instead has hui yang drop her pretty much right next to balan Even though she doesn't want to be near him. She wants to be with them Yeah, it's like what's that gonna and then she syncs with hui yang for him to fire like flares so that she can escape the fight with balan Yeah, I don't understand any of that That was that was really strange and it's like well it's because they wanted them to have a rematch It's like a rematch where both of them stop fighting. I think where she Realized in that moment that he is way beyond her and she can't win So why why does she want to fight him in the first place? Well, she Hubris she thought she could win but she's got friends to save anything that's out of character She feels if she takes out the big one then her friends can handle the little one Well, they're currently he wasn't even involved in the fight They're currently fighting another lightsaber wheeled around several. What is it like 50 stormtroopers or something? I'm not disagreeing with you. I think that she should have gone and helped her friends just like You know I mean even the prequels we can make so many of these arguments, but It's the way they wrote it But so I'm trying to understand it in the form that why would she would make these decisions? But well, so I'm obviously arguing that these are all the decisions that make up the course of the episodes And as far as I'm concerned the characters are not being properly represented. They are Pulling out lightsabers. They are using the force. They are Jedi. They are So it's like, yeah, you get those elements of stars and I understand a lot of people get me completely wrong If I was building stars, I don't want it to be just like and or forever or something And it's like I'm more than happy to have spectacular lightsaber battles. A lot of my favorites are from the prequels I think they're fucking great. I just wish there was more character behind a lot of them You know what I wish is if we could have the level of care that was put into and or for the character development go the Score the cinematography which completely shat on Kenobi and both and the acting and cadence and everything And combine that with Jedi You know and force you to I think that that to me would be And heck, maybe that's going to be acolyte as much as I do not like the things that leslie headland has said I don't know Surprised me, you know, but until we get it Yeah, no, I'm with you completely. I want I want I'm on the whole package as well But that's the thing is that I've always mentioned that about and or is that it is a very well made show Uh, it has everything that you would want in a show, but for a star wars show. I want something a little more geared towards the jedi and the sith or force users or things like that because we're aliens and droids right or simply simply because we haven't gotten that yet with With disney all that much and if people want to argue the sequel trilogy Well, I mean look those movies were half baked if that and they were ass. I mean It's literally what destroyed the fandom and if people want to argue that well, I mean we can argue it all day No problem, but I feel a massive void That I haven't I have not received yet the feeling that I had when I was a kid And that's not because I was a child and everything was la di da amazing sunshine and rainbows It's because that the actual whole entire feeling of star wars has shifted To the point where it's not so much about the story or these characters that george built or even Even really the cadence that he had everything Develop story wise and character wise it's more so about politics and agendas and killing off the past literally So that they can bolster their new characters and look they kill off han They turned han into an absolute loser. Yeah, and he was literally a general at the end of it Turn him into a deadbeat father Kill him off. He's gone. Luke Skywalker kill him off. He literally was the biggest Excuse my term of language your bitch. I've ever seen runs off Instead of a coward. Yeah, a complete coward And and instead of facing what he needed to and protecting his sister and the galaxy Completely just runs away. Why because of his his nephew had some dark thoughts. Well, his father killed literally young Run the same page. Yeah, absolutely. So it's like To me, I'm like they destroyed all these characters and then they bb8 is the new r2 It's just putting in all of these new characters to replace the old ray to take luke's place It's just to me like they've shot on everything. So it's like I don't have this feeling of Yeah, I want to continue to watch disney star wars. No, I don't you pissed me off You disrespected me and the characters that I cared about so much and now to the point where I don't like you anymore I don't Care much about the new star wars because it's all made by a bunch of people that don't really have the Emotional understanding of who these characters are and what they mean to people They just want to interject their own bullshit and politics and agendas in there and Look where it's gotten them. The stock is Absolute garbage now Well, yeah, are you guys as familiar with marvel because same things happen in same destruction. Yeah, I stop watching after the avengers Good time to stop Well, yeah, I just I was I tried I just wasn't interested anymore You know, um like not for me So on the topic of being in a desert and feloni is providing you at least a bottle of water And that's enough to absolutely praise him if that Gilroy to me is providing a bit of a is a hotel with a pool in the middle of the desert and so What we need at least from what i'm gathering from you guys is we need to edge gilroy Into please involve a bit of vader a bit of talk in a bit of whatever and you're in your era If you make some more star wars, you know involve more of the star wars aesthetic the iconography That to me seems like much more of an achievable goal than hoping feloni will stop writing someone like throne like a cowardly idiot Yeah, and I I like your analogy of the hotel with a pool in the desert But for me it's like a hotel in the pool with a desert without any amenities in terms of uh There's no food. There's no chef. There's no workers there. It's just an abandoned sort of hotel with A pool with some murky water and and yes, I mean in the desert. That's amazing But at the same time Um, I want the full five star experience. I agree the hotel. Let's order in the amenities, right? We'll let's grab gilroy tell him. Hey, we need some light sabers need some vader and some anakin whatever get it all in here Well, I mean, well, I think that's so much more possible than with what we have with feloni But the thing is and and this is a common misconception people make about me is that he only wants vader and anakin I don't I'd much rather have a story from the old republic or a story with a new villain Who actually makes sense and is actually imposing? But You know, we're not getting that so I don't need to see anakin all the time. We've seen a lot of him and Quite frankly, I'm worried if they're going to do any more with him They would ruin him like they did with kanobi and boba There's also a weird thing about that hotel with a pool in the desert Making star wars and saying while he's making star wars that he forgot he was making star wars while he was making star wars Well, we know the context for why he said that Why I Being immersed in star wars while you're making star wars is a is a different thing I just think that and this isn't me saying that everybody who makes star wars needs to be The biggest fan of star wars. Everybody needs there's that whole kevin fight interview. Well, if they do They need to be fans, right? Yes, but I just as much as How much is tony gill where I really know about star wars? I don't know. It seems like from interviews that he doesn't really know As every time he was interviewed. He was like, yeah, yeah, star wars is cool, but I'm making this So it's just it's just an interesting point of view when I think why people cling to felonii so much is A lot of times people argue that When when we watch something like asoka or whatever comes out or that episode with luke and bookaboba fat Which mauler I would love to hear your takes on just because that was all tgi and I get as you would say That's all skin walker luke that was. Oh, yeah, absolutely But I think with felonii the stuff that he makes a lot of times is compared to as The most like george lucas star wars since george lucas a lot of times so when people Give you that feeling and there's a bunch of different ways why I can feel like that It's just It's different when you see something like andor, which I I didn't mind and or either I actually enjoyed and or for what it was It's just and or felt more like a short story from one of the a certain point of view books made into an entire series when something like Kenobi and the other shows don't get the same quality experience So I think that's where a lot of the disdain for something like and or comes from Is in terms of that quality why isn't it being Shared across the board And then there's something like that's not even just in quality of the way the The show is made or the films are made because theory we were talking about it earlier of The last jedi you could say it looks like a really good movie But is it a good star wars movie and it it's that differentiation differentiation remember the The trailers that were coming out for the last jedi. I mean those are the most hyped times. Oh, that was yeah I was hyped. Yeah. Yeah, every trailer was better. Oh my god. What do they have like 80 million views something like that? Yeah, the star wars fan and was ready Fumbled the ball completely. Um Is it call you diamond or diamond figs or figs? You call me will or whatever Mustache I understand what you're saying, but like would you would you say there's any damage was done to star wars as a as an IP as a brand as a as a series on time and space thanks to and or Any damage? I yeah in terms of the fandom split of Hey, everything needs to be like and or now or no, it can't be like and or now I think there's a big separation in the fandom of The and or story and When and or was made the story was so It was it was a different story than what we've seen in star wars not only in recent years But I think in general and I mean you can take the the piece meals of the hero's journey and all of that stuff It felt very different than a lot of star wars in a lot of ways Um, maybe that's just because of the star wars we were given it being so different But I think the fandom split in such a way of it's either all going to be and or or it's all going to be What we know to be star wars recently And I think that's that's a big damaging thing of hey not all star wars There's always that argument of hey not all star wars needs to be lightsabers but It's nice when you see a lightsaber in star wars, right? It's nice when you get some force It's nice when you get characters, you know And like I said earlier, it's it's like a A story that you take from one of those point of view a certain point of view books about the guy who was pushing the button In the rebel base on hoff and it's cool that you get his point of view But in terms of live action star wars when what we've gotten from disney for so long is the sequel trilogy and Obviously everything is controversial in terms of star wars now moller You don't like mando season one or two and there's other stuff and people like isoka and people don't and I think the only thing people can really agree on nowadays is tales of the jedi So I think when it comes to that it's just The split is there and I don't know if if that unity is going to come back I mean a lot of unity came from tales of the jedi I I can't I've never heard anybody talk poorly about tales of jedi. I don't know I don't know what your stance on it moller is Well, so I was actually going to say like I was looking for more of an internal argument because I actually I do Buy what you're saying that there's this is a contingent of and or fans that are aggressive and annoying that question If we take the fandom Because people will like and dislike everything From what I've noticed if we take the whole fandom idea out of what they their perception of and or out of the picture Then no and or only adds to the lore and adds to the overall story In a really beautiful way So we're obviously going to go with that is as far as I'm considered it And I think you guys would not be on board with this then feloni has done more damage to star wars than gilroy has feloni definitely has more under his belt of good I mean you're looking at someone who's like a one for one in Making a show that has New characters that nobody In relatively speaking cares about compared to the legendary characters of anakin or vader or isoka Even isoka is a new new one in there compared to anakin and vader So really there is so much less at stake with and or when you're creating something like that That's a completely new project where you know the characters are going to die anyways Compared to someone who is under the immense pressure of continuing Already established characters like vader or anakin or ob one or isoka so I think there's a You you can't really phrase it like that who has done more damage. I don't think day feloni has I think day feloni's trying to put pieces back together From what's been destroyed by a much larger enemy, which is disney. Would you um categorize thrall in that way? I categorize him how that he's an attempt to repair what day feloni did with thrallon I don't know if people in the Star Wars story group are people making star wars necessarily see things as when they make something It's a repair on star wars. I don't think the story group really is Exactly what I mean. It's like Uh, I think you know, they're more worried about their their white board that's behind them Yeah, then telling you know star wars stories, but uh yeah with with thrallon I Not everything's perfect and what i'm trying to do is i'm trying to now look at stuff that I can let slide which isn't much But also look at things that really progress the story with Okay, it's as good as it can be but i'm looking at it in that frame. It's like you have a keyboard Like we're just looking at this section here. There's an entire other set of keys We're just looking at this right now. And so I can talk to you about how well I think these keys sound But obviously if we go, you know down the board over there, it's going to sound much better, but we don't have that option We're stuck with this um Like just so I can clarify from my point of view that sounds like a very um, like it doesn't sound very Praiseworthy of the felonies works. It sounds more like well, what else are we gonna do? I think if we had george lucas and Dave was making this I would be like well It's not george at the end of that's kind of It's kind of why i'm offering the gilro would be the better pathway We can push him into making star wars stuff. He seems to I don't know if you guys knew this I blew my mind when I found out about this. He um when the covet stuff hit Your production stopped on andor and so he had time where he couldn't do anything and he decided well I guess i'm going to redraft all these scripts, which he did No, I don't know if you know but disney's current sort of approach with script writing is Abominable, um, I assume you guys might know that but the boba fed episode of season 2 amando. It was provided to um Oh, i'm i forget his name the guy who made grand house with the tarantino Not not quite favo. They're the director of the episode Robert rodriguez um He was given 17 pages I think he said and the every part of the fighting just said fight They they you know there's like go for it. Just make the episode boba feds in it. Let's go It's like they only care about it from a I use this not to offend but the key jangling aspect or it's like we got to get boba fed in Got to get us remember soca Joined through mando season 2 into the live action stuff and they splintered out into two different tv shows Yeah off of mando, right that was their goal and look what we got For sure that was their goal. Well, they're Kind of diluting it in a sense by rushing out these projects or just not handling it properly as best as they could But the whole they fight part. I mean george did that with Episode three when he was writing the script in the beat bts There was just literally scripts and scripts and scripts pages and then it's just they fight Probably better than I do that they took great care with the fight sequences and the prequels. Oh my god. I mean you get a killer to which Yeah, why they don't hire him. I mean they're idiots And that's the thing if they did that in their production now, which for some reason they don't understand the value of that Obviously, they lose in that aspect and that's chipping away at the entire sort of Well, I mean it's rubble now, but you know what? I mean the temple is gone Oh, yeah, when the show was airing. I was literally sending clips to now I was texting it to him and we had a discussion about the choreography and everything and uh Why they don't use him. I don't know man. They're just shooting themselves in the foot Um You said uh early I don't know because I remember seeing it in the clip as well that you consider tlj a bad star was filmed But a good film. I was curious to uh pick at that. What do you consider good about it the budget? the uh You know what I agree with you on that cinematography, you know, that's about it the marketing The what the marketing Yeah, the the marketing. Yeah, the marketing was absolutely phenomenal, but besides that no, you know, yeah That's that's about it. Right. I mean to me. That's a shit movie, right? Like visuals are strong cinematography Maybe the soundtrack But that's about it. It's like 30 transformers visuals are strong too, you know Well, you think transformers is good. No Yeah, so we agree, right? tlj is a shit movie. Yeah Waller got real worried I'm saying every movie nowadays has good visuals because he's just like, oh, we'll do this vfx. We'll do that vfx, you know But yeah, um, and disney have managed to find a way to make anything over 50 million look like piss now I don't even know how they could they pulled it off, but they found out episode four. I think was 30 million So it was a 40 million something like that. I mean And it's purely just story But also, you know episode episode four came out when uh Did I say episode seven or episode four? Episode four episode four came out in a time when it was like the most fresh thing that could but now you have You know space movies coming out of the yin yang. So it's not a special anymore. Yeah Mauler to your point about Tony gilroy with Pushing him towards look if he wants to make more star wars I'm excited for andor season two. I'm interested to see what they do. I mean, it's more star wars I didn't mind andor season one But to push him towards making more star wars versus feloni where you say I For a lack of better terms feloni has produced more ls than tony gilroy's one w in your opinion Uh, it's a long w though. Yeah A full season w in mauler's opinion, but like I would compare that to one guy a new rookie basketball player who has won a championship Versus trying to bet on lebron james You know what I mean lebron? Yeah, and for I mean am I saying feloni is the lebron james of star wars. No, I don't know that but What i'm saying is somebody a player who has won championships and games and produced a lot who Lebron james has lost games However, tony gilroy who has had one long w does that mean? I don't think he's going to have a more promising career than dav feloni No, I hope the best for tony gilroy if tony gilroy wants to make star wars the best thing since 1977 Fuck yeah, i'm all in but I think it's just hard to put your money I don't know for me. I would rather have the lebron james Stuff than the new guy who's just won once because at this point if i'm if i'm a better My money's better spent on the guy who has Produced more w's as well as the elves just because he's had the opportunity to versus the guy who's only had one opportunity and so if I can Offer an alternate perspective if someone said new alien movies coming out alien I was supposed to say resurrection. They already did that Alien erection alien erection Who do you want directing and writing and on the table right there is ridley scar you can choose him I'd be like hell no keep him the hell away from alien. He'd be like, whoa He made alien. It's like one of the greatest films of all time and it's the series foundation I'd be like that man Whatever made him create something as great as alien is gone And by the way the same goes for james cameron terminator stay away. Yeah, he's a good chance Yeah, that's a whack job now And so I suppose the question from that would be how many mando season 3's Slash asoka season 1's episode 7 and 8's would you guys need to see before you say okay enough felonies stay away from star wars The ratio would have to The ratio would have to be kind of equal to the wins that they've had right So we have all these clone wars episodes and we have Tales of the Jedi and this and that so it's like, you know, am I going to tolerate a couple episodes that To me we're like that's it In comparison to his long illustrious career that he's had Yeah, sure I'll tolerate it, but I'm still keeping tabs now. I'm with you completely. There are creators that I think go up and down There's um one of my favorite creators currently working is Mike Flanagan And yet I'm very critical of a lot of the stuff that he makes because I want him at his best But yeah, there's a there's a discipline There's an attitude that I try to detect from creators and I don't know that I should ever consider their entire work Rather than maybe their recent Sometime because Ridley Scott, of course, I should consider he made alien. It's like, oh, I don't know man. That was like what? 40 plus years ago. I don't know It's complicated and then of course there are creators that have lost their minds All these creators that were awful and then have since made something that was kind of impressive I know a lot of people were like, why would I watch a film about joker from the guy who made hangover? That's the point of that and then you're watching you go. Oh shit Okay, all right. He's cooking as the kids say I would go as far as saying that I'm interested like I'll still give uh feloni. Favreau. I'll even give jj and ryan chances I always want to Not me personally as in like if if disney feel that that ryan johnson trilogy ever actually got made was a huge mistake They did I would still be like, all right. I'm gonna give him another chance. Here we go But I would still tell you guys I have no confidence in his ability because of how familiar I am with ryan johnson's writing discipline I don't know if you've seen knives out looper or glass onion. Yeah, I didn't like I Recognize how he writes and I know that whatever he's going for is in trouble now with Let's take uh, gilroy for example I don't because we haven't talked at all about like what I liked about andro and I'd love to hear what you guys Liked about it as well, right? But I thought that show over the 10 episodes, right? It was building up. Was it 12? 12 it was it was building up them the empire again. It recreated it created this like, uh, You know council that were very much built on like investigation individual bodies Information passing through and then actually like definitive action and subversion and moles. I was like, holy shit This is like a whole functioning thing Right because like I assume you guys remember the tfa They wanted to do away with anything connected to that because they were so afraid of like what happened with the prequels And people like oh politics. We hate politics, which is one of the most Yeah, I don't know how you guys feel this but I feel like red light media did a lot of damage to uh Star Wars by targeting certain aspects of the prequels that I don't think were the problem at all I'm not a huge fan of those guys's videos I am oh, there you go. They create us that I am both happy with and critical of and hope for the best in going forward But yeah with Yeah, that's fair With that, you know that council ideas like, okay, that's cool. They're building up, um Like luthan rails one of my favorite star Wars characters at this point Like epitomizing the conflict that is like what decisions are you willing to make in order to win the war when we don't see a lot of that In in a lot of star wars content a lot of the times the characters are strict good strict evil Or pass through each one of these we don't in the live action So we haven't had a lot of examples and I'd love to see more of it characters that have conflict in terms of like Exactly where they stand. I feel like count dooku was a really great Um opportunity to get through that and with more of the live action stuff And maybe we'll get more of that future may swindoo anakin More of yeah, I feel like we didn't get to see a lot of that in live action And where it would be really fun to I want to explore those of the separatist stuff, you know Again, me too. Yeah, so I guess what I'm saying is like I see all of this potential in gilroy's writing I love the whole prison sequence. I don't know guys. I felt about it exactly like the four episode arc for the I really enjoyed that was probably where it started to pick up for me The uh the idea that like all of it is representative of how rebellions overthrow like fascists sort of regimes and uh I'll never get over like the the the prisoners swimming out of the facility that has the empire cog Is showing the empire bleeding as a result of all of their actions that goes down to the individual It's like that's really cool. It was so I see all that potential then I watch a soka and I'm spending most of the episodes wondering who a soka Hera and um sabine are Still waiting for more information Uh from his point of view in this story because uh felonii sold this as you don't even need to see clone wars and rebels This show will take care of you. It's going to make sure you understand And um, I think one of the worst is hera looking back her story Was insanely thin and she was given she was given like barely anything except that she's kind of A bullheaded general that doesn't understand her procedure works and then she commits Perjury and she's bailed out by a corrupt government being the quote-unquote good guys. Yeah What we saw leia do with hera first of all doesn't even make sense not in line with leia's character She wouldn't bail out good guys on a mission where two people died that was not sanctioned just because they're her friend It's not how that works It's not a responsible general But you know more importantly, it's representative to me of like that's not handling You know character journeys well, and I feel like that's represented We could go through it all but I don't want to waste all you guys time of each of the characters That's what we're here to do man to chat have fun Ask me any questions you want if you want so like any individual character journey any visual the overall plot the world obviously throwing the witches of Dathomir I assume I don't know if you guys were found zombie stormtroopers that no No, okay. That's did you not see my face? I mean it's been clipped into oblivion now on twitter and stuff and it's just like I was not expecting them to be just zombies. That's it And so this climax if it were the one season I'd be like, all right Look, he missed it's okay He can miss but then I'm combining that with my knowledge of how he approached You know a lot of the content in Mando or a lot of content that he'll clearly allowed to happen somewhat in Kenobi and Boba Fett And I'm just like this is not the guy for the job as far as I'm concerned meanwhile Gilroy I can see the the the the the discipline is there. We just need him to you know I think it's it's almost a guarantee. We'd be getting Vader in season two of Andal, right? It would make sense It wouldn't make sense crannick You know crannick. Yeah, um, there's a couple of characters K2so probably chop up and that's obviously disney canon, but at the same time you understand like, um there's no reason to assume the It would be as disconnected and if it is more connected if the pacing ramps up I feel like that is then earning Gilroy a position of like, maybe he should be given more Um, and maybe we test him out on a little bit more. What if we dragon ball fuse Favreau, Filoni, Gilroy, and Whit were all into one if we can get uh Gilroy writing and Filoni supervising Slash directing maybe and and Whit were even do I I really get Whit were in there. Yeah, some for me Um, Kathleen's not allowed in to the right room Big ol lock on this word. No girls allowed The he-man woman clip. There's a clip. There's clip folks. There you go put twitter Yeah, they're gonna do it anyways. Just more marketing for me, man That's basically my point of view Yeah, no, and I respect your point of view and I say I'd agree with Over 90 percent of your point of view All right. I honestly got a completely different impression of what your point of view was Uh before this conversation Yeah, most do I well to be Yeah, wasn't it all interesting in any slander though because like to take for example When your coach is saying they gave penny they gave pennies to Kenobi, right? Yeah The very wild thing to say because 90 million is a hell of a lot more than some of the greatest tv shows of all time ever got Oh in comparison to andor or she hulk she hulk Is that pennies in comparison? um for a show that is arguably the most important show for star wars, I would imagine if if She-hulk has 250 or 225 and or is 250 then I would hope that kenobi Would double that well like and or had double the episodes and they were longer and the they went to more places in the galaxy, right? So like it would be a call for more money at least I guess I don't even want to focus on that I would just be more at the point of being like we could have had an incredible Kenobi show for one million dollars I mean, well, yeah, I mean Well a fan film it's just all about writing But it's like where we went with and or was because of the writing where we went or didn't go with Kenobi It was because of the writing so we could have gone a ton more places We could have gone to degaba different planets course on wherever we need to go In Kenobi, but they chose to just keep it so safe and Yeah, I'm a single cent on a gimbal, you know, and it just I like the focus of My corner of the internet is just again and again writing writing writing quality care about the characters care about the law Consider continuity cause and effect. It's all really important. Of course throw in the iconography. I'm more than happy to have that um And like, you know, when I watched your video you were saying like what the fuck like the big You know sticking point for you was the fact that she held got more money than Kenobi And I'm just sitting there like I mean even if it had the same budget, it would be crap It would have been like because of the approach one That's what I said in the video that the budget isn't even the main issue. It's the right. It's the right in. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, I literally like it's a few minutes in It's uh, it pushed you over the edge though looking at the um It did it totally did because I was just like, you know what man like It the the show itself felt so cheap and it felt like we have this is very narrow Uh What's the word when people have an issue with type spaces claustrophobic feel to it Uh, whereas, you know, you get Kenobi or she Hulk and it's like Andor and she Hulk where everything feels so expansive and so wide and so great Yeah, and or felt so much not only as a production, but just watching it It felt so much bigger than you know, it it made me jealous massive It felt it felt like star wars in that sense Where you're going to different planets in different worlds and you're seeing them from the outside from space And then you go to them and the sets everything was just large and wide and and big Yeah, I agree and I honestly think it's the the cinematographers and the people involved like they may have gotten more time I think Kenobi was super rushed, right? Yeah, well, it was supposed to mean they had excuse. No, they had the idea. No, that's bad That's what I'm saying. It's not even budget that point It's because this is what marvel's going through everything every project doesn't have enough time to cook basically and uh, They're obviously they want to have a schedule where you bounce from star wars to marvel to star wars to marvel Like they want you to keep busy Which is obviously killing them at this point and they're struggling to start to pull the brakes and refigure You guys probably saw they announced recently. They want to start having showrunners for their shows Yeah, wait, what? For marvel start having showrunners for their tv show the the revelation you should have a showrunner What does that mean? That they haven't been doing that up to this point They've been using directors and writers and just throwing the shit at them being like go just make the thing No showrunner, which is yep insane This is what I mean like I the decisions in production are absolutely nuts But um, because I don't know how much you guys know about this I always assume that everyone does because of the how wild it all is but like the the writer for Doctor strange multiverse of madness like joyfully admitted in the behind the scenes But when they were filming like they almost completed act two for filming He hadn't written anything for actually had no idea what it was going to be He was just sitting there like sane. He was like laughing like saying. I don't know what even we're going to do It's just like that's That's wonderful. That's because today movies aren't made with passion or to tell a story. It's made to hit quotas That's it. Yeah, and we yep Yeah, we need a big u-turn and we need to learn and remember like what what it is To be artists when it comes to filmmaking and so that's why I feel like we line up on a hell of a lot But it might be like the minutia perhaps that we have minutia, but it's also what The perception that the public who don't know me or don't watch my videos perhaps Think of me that is constantly being Broadcasted online and in a light that is less than favorable in my opinion. So it's it's Who I am is, you know, how I conduct myself But I feel like people who don't know me just kind of get an idea of who I am through other people who don't like me Yeah, I'm right with you there, man Like even in the superchats that was sent to you someone described me as I want to debate you and I'm Going to go from film school I haven't been to film school and I never said I wanted to debate you I just wanted to chat with you After you put out the tweet hustle. Oh, I love this chat Yeah, that's that's that's all I want But like I don't blame you when someone says that you just be like, oh shit like is this guy like Yeah, yeah, well, I get that every day, man. There's there's so many people that are constantly just talking shit and it's like Yeah, okay Like I'm just here talking about Star Wars, man. Like not everyone's gonna agree with me. I guess but I didn't I honestly had so much more fun with my channel when I was under 750,000 subscribers. It was the best Time best time. I assume you agree with best time would have been when the content was fucking awesome when the film's coming out They were amazing. We'll celebrate together and talk about how awesome the future was gonna be I remember speculating on what the things in tfa were gonna lead to yeah, I can't imagine doing that now No, it's I'm just not as creative anymore. Not simply because the creativity is gone. I'm putting it into other aspects but because it just There's nothing to really pull from It's like, where do you go after the end of tlj? Yeah, the door. No, no Uh, ryan johnson is a quota saying that he wrote it to be an end That's what he likes to do with his films. Yeah, well, it's just like thanks, bro This the guy who's got to make the third one over there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah And what he said about uh, how he's like, you know, I think a film where half the audience really hates it And half the audience really loves it. You know that to me is That's a really good film I feel like you never hear that from someone who made a film that everyone loved Nobody says like man. I wish more people hated my movie. Yeah. I mean, that's a really great way of kind of uh setting your up setting yourself up to never kind of Fail. It's like, well, that's what I wanted. I wanted them to hate them. Oh, well, all right You got your wish you succeeded. Mm-hmm. Yeah, you win Well on that note, I want to know this is you guys's show so I should probably hop out Um, but plenty of fun as you like. I really enjoyed your time You guys have an itinerary from what I understand, right? And I think you even mentioned like Bringing something out randomly. I didn't want that to happen. By the way, I was just curious if uh, that's how it worked or not Yeah, it's very freeform here on that's how I've always wanted these live streams to be just no real schedule and just Shoot the shit. So I really enjoyed my time and I'd love for you to come back again If you well, yeah hit uh hit me up if you want to um anything Star Wars related star wars news. I mean, I'd love to tell you all about how horrible marvel is That's almost my expertise along with the marvel. Uh, sorry star wars It's all of it's a disaster. It's sad But that we're hoping that the corners being turned so to speak sort of there's a lot of different things happening And disney's desperate at this point as I'm sure you're aware The marvels is going to be a big hitter because it's kind of that's going to crash and burn I don't even know it's about it's it's the the females the female superheroes Yes, uh, two of them from sort of spin-off shows that no one saw so You know, uh Very wise decisions as wise as the decisions they make for star wars, of course Would you say would you say marvel is more in danger or star wars? It's really hard to because I've been asked this question before but marvel has Let's just say for the sake of argument 50 characters Huge plot lines of will that's enormous and we were asked on our podcast back like five years ago Do you think marvel's going to be destroyed and we were like no you'd have to destroy every single character To destroy all of the plot lines. You have to kill the world entirely We have been covering every single entry into phase four and five. They have destroyed every single character They have annihilated all the remaining plot lines. They are struggling right now to know whether or not they recast or get rid of kang The only thing they've set up in five years It's like it's it's absolutely insane. They don't they're like maybe we should bring in dr Doom it's the equivalent of how I see soakers like let's just bring in thrones get them in Hopefully this can revitalize star wars. They just make him different. It's like uh, well kang's been embarrassing. He was defeated by ants Yeah, oh my god. I didn't watch Don't watch it. Don't don't I didn't you know when I saw kang at the end of lowkey season one I was like I don't even remember who I was like, what's okay, xenos was cool You know a quote they had was that he was ready for the role because he trained professionally as a clown What Okay, john the mage has had professional clown training and that's why he was ready for the role So what's going on with him now? Is he being arrested or what? I think that's to be determined They're going to trial Oh, okay And of course if he's found guilty disney lose him if he's found innocent then disney are confused They're not sure what to do with him. They'll probably still lose him because it's just There was a while that I think there was going to be a counter sue against the person who was suing him or something Yeah, that's what I would do. Yeah What do you guys just hope for star wars going forward? Where do you want to see it go? What do I want to see it go? Catherine kennedy just stepped down. I'd like for someone to take the reins I mean kevin feige. I don't really know how Well, he's going to do with star wars, but I think he does have a good understanding of how to kind of take You know a timeline of events and maybe Write them so that they make sense unlike the sequel trilogy um I would imagine he has a good understanding and basis of star wars and the characters and how they would Act and react in certain moments depending on how he writes them But overall I would like for them to just start fresh at this point, you know Let's say I were to take the reins of lucasville The sequel trilogy would be gone That would be legends decanonize. Yeah decanonize We would create a new sequel trilogy, which would be dav felonies movie And that would be under immense scrutiny as well I would be looking at that thing with a magnifying glass and not to say that I am anywhere near Level of dav feloni when it comes to writing star wars, but I think I have a generally pretty good idea about what I want what I see and again, I'm putting every single fraction of creativity that I have and Everything that I kind of preach into my fan films and those will be coming out soon And I know the world will see them and then they can judge for themselves, but I believe I truly have what it takes to Create good star wars the way we were brought up with and If I were to take over lucasville, I would decanonize sequels. I would create a new sequel trilogy based on pretty much events happening a few years after return of the jedi and perhaps even having a time jump in one of the episodes there So that we advance the story Then I would make games galore everything that we would need, you know, whether it's 13 13 or you know a game about darth maul Trilogy on young palpatine and darth plague is some bound to games gone What's that get some bounty hunter games going exactly? Yeah So so surprised that we don't even have a mandalorian game yet with all that It was coming out. It's like You know, yeah, that's true, you know, like the bounty hunter we had so many games under lucas arts And we've got what ea created battlefront 2 2015 battlefront No, battlefront 2015 battlefront 2 and they stopped the game And we have jedi fallen order and jedi survivor which were great games But there's still so much more that could be done. We could get force unleashed We could force on least three we could get a whole bunch of games that don't have to be canon But again, if I were to take over lucas film or what I would want to happen is that we take all of the legends that Was there when george was around which is now gone And just expand upon it and have fun with it You know, I'd create oh, I missed all was being fun. I'm with you on that. Yeah, I'd create more shows Um And that's the thing with stars I'm not a huge fan of shows other than clone wars because I feel like they just have a budget of let's say 12 episodes And they got to fill in certain gaps To keep the person coming back each week and to keep that subscription going whereas a movie you sit down In two and a half hours or more or less You're done and then you got to wait for the next installment of the film like the prequel trilogy and originals so I I'm more Interested in movies than I am shows Show is obviously for making content and watch parties Yeah, it's fun business wise fun. Great. It's a plus But at the end of the day, I'm more of a star worth fan than I want my My channel to thrive I could do other stuff So I would really love for them to go back to making movies and putting our asses in the movie theater seat and from there I mean, we'll see where it goes. Let's try to nail those things down first but essentially going back to what star wars was and then Even starting something, you know thousands of years in the past and thousands of years in the future I think getting away from the whole skywalker timeline would be not only refreshing but needed it's it's something that Almost kind of fatigued with this whole like you have the Boba Fett era the Mandalorian era It's all it's all within the same Not even 100 years so Acolyte is kind of the first installment that we have of this or are going to be going back 200 years or whatever it is But screw that let's go thousands of years back to a real Royal time to a time when it was like Game of Thrones And that to me is much more interesting than anything else So I probably put my focus on something like that. Maybe even like a saga of the older public I love all those ideas. The only core difference between you and I was I would gut all of disney Everything's gone. All the makers creators there. No, I mean all the creators. So Oh, yeah, everybody that including flony. Yeah, I would even consider gutting Gilroy everything. I want a clean house New creators in so, um, what's his face? James Gunn style Uh, well, he's kept a couple of things that he likes Which is controversial as hell for a lot of marvel fans. Oh, sorry. Well, yeah, I guess marvel and dc fans Oh, right guardians. Yeah, right Because yeah, a lot of his actors have come across from other things and it's just like The big controversial one of course is his, uh, I believe wife a lot of people She's in everything. Yeah You know, I want it mentioned that uh, there are creators out there who bring back their, uh Friends and that we don't care. We're fine with it because they're such good actors Funnily enough, michael rooker comes into loads of james gunn projects. No one highlights that as a bad thing Yeah, it's like, yeah, because we love michael rooker. So Yeah, what was the movie with the evil superman kid? I forgot. Uh, bright burn I really enjoyed that actually. Yeah I'm not a fan of superman but evil. I find it lame But it could be done well. I'm not gonna deny that they're entertaining their popcorn munchers, you know Mm-hmm But what would you want to see with star wars going forwards? Let me ask you the same question Oh, I so we're de canon everything from I guess 20. What is it 2013 when the deal was made I forgot. Yeah, every it's all gone. No de canonizing everything and we're re canonizing a bunch of stuff I'm more than happy to force unleash to be canon. I Put that much like there's I think you highlighted prequels for example There's plenty of criticisms we can levy we can talk all day about the sort of failings of it But I think the prequels and this is some of the sequels can't claim they created a such a strong star wars culture Like they churned the fans around on all kinds of merchandise and engagement A lot of people will tell you that it did the opposite Um from videos that sort of recap history. They'll be like the prequels practically annihilated star wars And I'm just sitting there like I was there man. I don't think It may have skewered some of the current day fans were created an enormous set of new fans Yes, people will pick the prequels over the ot meanwhile. Do you if I can ask I'm 30 Oh, okay So we're the same age Yeah, yeah, and I saw them as they really saw the ot when I was super young dad made sure of that and then The prequels I adored them. I still adore them. I am probably more critical of them than you are But that's you know, I assume we can share a love on those this though. I can I could rip Anything apart, you know, okay at the same time. I'm just so uh, there's a podcast idea And the whole time talk about the prequels I could I could rip apart the prequels for sure But at the same time I just understand the characters. I I think so well that I think that's kind of all I know for it. It just doesn't you know, uh Yeah, but I mean there are things that in each episode I could absolutely Dissect and rip apart but wouldn't have really done that And that aspect I think has completely lost the ability to sort of uh Because I remember playing all the games on like Gamecube and stuff and then just knowing you know the talks It's like there were three films across it was 2000 Well 99 2001 2003, right? That was it and look at look at disney stars. They tried 99 2002 2005 All right. Yeah, it's even further the gaps. That's what I'm highlighting right like the 300 years disney Confidently announced one star was movie per year and then that got ruined Because as you highlighted with the tv shows, right? That they're like filler things that are supposed to keep us busy until the next big thing comes out Right. I feel like the solo movie was the first example of oh, I didn't feel like an event that felt like filler I felt like a weird thing that no one wanted that Absolutely, but I don't because like again I say all this stuff. I'm like, oh wait. Do you guys like solo? How do you feel about the solo? No, I I mean solo to me was it was fine But at the same time I have no uh Attachment to it whatsoever. It's like, you know, it's it's yeah, I just like seeing Darth Maul in it. That's about it It's like it's like if someone told me that they broke up with their girlfriends Like I'm not going to be feeling the pain they feel I have no investment in their girlfriend I don't have any of the motions. It's the same sort of thing with solo. It's like it. Okay I'm impartial to it. It's a really good in-flight movie. Like if it's on there, I might click on it I probably wouldn't even click on it to be honest Yeah, um, it was okay, but it wasn't anything. I mean, yeah, whatever Well, um, that's kind of what I'm getting at is like that was their first realization I was like, whoa, we can't marvelize Star Wars and at this point they can't even marvelize Marvel like that's completely fucked And so like they the culture is almost like taking a break Star Wars is taking a break and that that might even be the best thing to do A lot of people in my spheres sort of recommends like just stop Don't make anything for like five years You you guys need to make people be like, man, I miss Star Wars instead of being like, man, I guess I can watch the newest What is it? No, I disagree. If we get something that's totally Star Wars, everyone's gonna be back on board. I mean remember the energy after Mando season two I don't know if that's aged as well as Let's take a lot of the other best stuff of the Star Wars sort of tenure in the moment It was Star Wars was very hot Well, maybe that's worth we talking about because that might be another difference between us. I see that as hollow That event at the end of Mando season two and I saw it as like it's never gotten no longevity Because there was nothing substantive. We can't talk about that moment like we can the end of Return of the Jedi No, we can spend a whole podcast talking about that scene with Luke and Vader But we can't do that with the end of Mando season two. No, it was just an action scene It was a cool scene. That's all it was but but it led us into Prospecting for more theorizing for more theorizing what could come and that's what really had fans Watering at the mouth Like the sequel trilogy like the last Jedi when the trailers are out People were like, holy shit. We're gonna finally see Luke. Like what's he gonna be like? Oh my god Yeah, and who kylo was and what his journey was gonna be and you know, whose parents raised But like where's all of that now? It's nobody cares No, because they they ruined it But if they had gone and actually continued that trajectory and that creativity Oh my god We'd be in such a different place if Kenobi was good If Boba was if Mando three was good. I mean, we'd be in a completely different headspace right now the thing that I see about like the ot and even the prequels is the Sort of expression of like content that we're enjoying at the time engaged with we're getting payoff And we've got stuff to look forward to in the future mystery and Reveals and stuff Meanwhile, the best Disney seem to offer is only that part the mystique And I think people see right through it at this point It's getting worse and worse like the half life of the mysteries are getting worse and worse. Look at me Yeah Yeah, I agree For sure, but if they can if they can continue You know, they give us like a really good meal and I keep taking it back to the food But they give us a really good meal and then they give us something that's You're like what what the fuck is this? I didn't order this But then they give you a really great dessert and you're like Okay, it's it's like yeah, it's uh Could explain it many other ways, but essentially that's what it's like. You're just constantly confused so I do think you're right though If they were to release some great Star Wars content We could get back on the horse relatively quickly like if they did a trilogy that was top notch Star Wars would be reinvigorated as a fan base The whole reason and an idea behind the breaking of it The stopping is that we can kind of try to forget What it is right now, which is an embarrassing IP And that we can be like we're ready because um a break can do a lot in terms of like George Lucas knew this He understood it pretty well seemingly it's like, uh, he managed to mine Star Wars one of the most profitable IPs in history And you look back and you're like, wait a minute three movies and then and then he waited that long and then did another three Yeah, so powerful Star Wars was and um, you know, what are they doing for that technology, right? Well that that too, but like he could have been making a lot more right. We got a few extra things and a lot of like, um uh You know extended stuff But if he had but George isn't really the type to milk something. He's the type to milk the merchandise Yeah, um, because again, he cares about the story I assume you guys know that some of the stats on that like the merchandise fallen apart for Star Wars Engagement in there. You know people that that work actually and selling the merch and all the race shirts and the sequel trilogy shirts and items and memorabilia are just Not selling stuck on shelves But things from you know, however 20 many 20 30 40 years ago of like Darth Vader a t-shirt of him or whatever just sold out When I worked at Disney that was the only thing that was left on the shelves When it was stuff for but the ot and the prequels and that kind of stuff It was always sold out Day one everybody bought it and the stuff that was left over was the stuff for the sequels at the time And then that was that was also before Mando season one So that was literally all that was out at the time and yeah the pegs were always full of that stuff I assume you guys cover the uh, the reva reva lightsaber didn't get funded. There wasn't enough people to even Oh, oh it's funded So that was such a joke because if it would have been just titled grand inquisitor It probably would have got back because there's a lot of people that like the grand inquisitor from rebels Not necessarily kenobi show but because it said reva on it on the box on the plate where you would display it But it was just an inquisitor lightsaber. So why not just call it inquisitor lightsaber? That was the same thing with the uh, the skywalker legacy ray saber But it just looks like the regular luke skywalker Anakin's revenge of the sith lightsaber. It was just the way that it was Marketed as as ray's saber that you can still find it in galaxy's edge all over the place. It's in stock Yeah Is a question if the if the if the timeline for star wars is future was gonna be stuff like mando season 2's finale exclusively Pretty much that would you guys consider that a good outcome? No Why Why need more than just a swashbuckler, you know Yeah, obviously, I don't just mean that scene over and over again I mean like the content would be characters, you know doing things you recognize that they would do but not much in terms of a You know dialogue or development? No There'll be a bad outcome. That would be a bad outcome. Yeah, that's not what I would want to see at all I mean star wars are so much more than just Anakin swinging his lightsaber at darth vader You know people forget that the ot was primarily a lot of Not just world building but also character building and dialogue And so that's my um people were like, well, what's this dialogue? I'm saying, yeah, the dialogue in the prequels wasn't the best. It was pretty rough But at least they were getting the point across of the story being told and the characters and what they were going through And that's my concern and that's what my video that people were mentioning to you is all about um The first five minutes I talk about an episode that's similar to one of the ones of osoka to um future armor And then one from buffy the vampire slayer And then I focus on osoka And talk about like the difference in writing disciplines and how star wars is heading At least in terms of its praise and criticism to a place where we're not going to be getting anywhere near It's going to be much hollow Much more hollow and much more focused on how everyone perceives characters And I I can't remember. I think it's robert my bannett put it this way that star wars is just it's become It's about star wars. It's not about characters. It's not about Journeys and stories to tell it's it's about the matter of itself trying to live It's like a or a boros or a vampire eating its own blood Like it's it's desperately trying to stay alive now Because it damaged itself so much. It doesn't know what else to do and that's disney's fault, obviously Right, but that's my concern and my fear that that's that's all we're going to get now It's the best of it is to see luke cgi monstrosity saying like the force maybe oh When he's gone He's one with the force now. He was having he was having camera issues beforehand. So uh, It could be that it could be that Um, which are we are we live or oh? Yeah, we're still live. It's three of us now It really is rule of three now rule of three It's our show So mauler have you watched the clone wars or rebels at all the animated stuff? Oh, yeah Season one of the clone wars and I think I watched part of season two of the clone wars and then I said like, okay This isn't for me Yeah, those are like the worst too. It starts to pick up like season three There's a lot of there's a lot of filler, but there's some really really good arcs in there Did you watch rebels at all? A friend of mine that I considered quite trusty said the clone wars is better than rebels like by far And so if you didn't like clone wars, you're not gonna like rebels and I was like, all right fine I'll stay away from that. It's not my thing. I dig that take what about tails though tails was short Tails of the Jedi I was less aware of this and considering the praise you guys have given it I'm more than willing to check it out if it's it's better than both bone wars and rebels. Yep 100% 100% Yeah, all right. Well, yeah, I'll put that on the list It's six episodes and they're like 12 to 15 minutes each It's very quick, but it's three episodes about usoka and three episodes about dooku And as much as you liked usoka I don't Yeah, okay. I don't know how much you'd enjoy maybe the usoka content I don't know how much you like usoka as a character considering you're not really the biggest fan of clone wars and Obviously, you're not the biggest fan of the usoka show So seeing a couple episodes where it's specifically building into her story and Fitting into parts in her timeline But the dooku stuff is awesome. It's the dooku stuff that blew me away. I don't even remember the usoka episodes I remember usoka and um her live action show. I just thought she I didn't hate her I just thought she was lame I didn't get a lot out of her and then sabine was the one I probably took the most issue with and then hera I thought was completely wasted. It sucks because they're all actresses, man I know mario will Elizabeth winstead can act. I know Rosario Dawson can act and uh, they weren't pushed at all most of it was very dry and uh Well static I guess but there's a reason for that. It's because of the time in the empire They're not going to be hopeful and go lucky until she shifts into the white version. I'm not looking for that I just want an emotional performance of any kind because you get glimpses every once in a while One of the bigger examples. I think we had on uh efap was When they're in that space battle and she tells there's been how they're going to be taking out the ships And they get one in like a unified way Or I think she orders she gives her the signal. She says, uh, she wants to shout now Now a lot of characters will go now like like they've got to get really into it energy and Rosario Dawson goes now I was like, oh, I felt that like yeah, damn No, I know what you're saying about that But it's also like I feel like you have the same sort of thoughts about luke when he entered the room in manto season two finale Where he he just didn't really ask questions. He was just pretty calm and quiet But that's who luke is like he doesn't need to ask questions because the questions that he needs answered He already knows the answer to And if he doesn't he doesn't matter because he's gonna he wouldn't be able to have a lot of the answer for why These people are here exactly and what their nature is And what they've done he doesn't right Luke doesn't care. I don't think he cares no because he he he is sitting up here Where he's come to take the child Everyone else with their own problems or whatever it might be. It doesn't matter to him. He's on a different journey I don't buy it. I'm sorry. I think that luke would be very invested in knowing how this all came to be Why they're even on this particular ship? Who's what were the robots after them? What's going on here like and to get to know people luke's a very personable guy Yeah Yeah, but you also got to see that this is five years after he defeated the emperor and vader for what the galaxy thinks So he doesn't really know who he can trust at this point doesn't know who we can really talk to and he just is there for the child He knows that he's force sensitive. He's like a baby yoda And he knows that the empire whoever the remnants of them want him And so he doesn't need to say much He's a boss walks in the room takes the kid pieces out Does what he needs to do There you go. I guess we disagree on What luke would have done in that scenario you think he what do you think well if you were writing that episode? And let's say what they had to go there. What would you put it? So I need to know I'd need to be sure of and this is the thing in case a complication of canon What luke would perceive as the people and their uniforms and why they would be there in that room And then what interests he would have in figuring out why this would all be happening Obviously you'd want information on Moff Gideon That's a that's a huge deal. It's like what what is this guy and what does he represent and what's going on with the empire? That's a huge problem. We have in a soca and some other stuff is like where is luke? Why isn't he aware of all this stuff? We know he's sitting on a planet right now Meditating when he should be actively involved. This is absurd Like he he's one of the most invested in making sure the horrors of the empire would never rise again that sort of Stuff but of course they're building to the sequel trilogy now So I wonder if they're tethered to the fact that they've got to get him out of interest for galaxy concerns and his own family I think that they're actually going to now build it up to the point where luke is going to be the hero Because asoka is completely gone. She's trapped in that other galaxy and now luke has to be the one to save the day He's the only one in this galaxy now. Well besides calcastes, but I mean, what's he compared to luke? Do you worry that We're heading toward the sequels and so they're gonna have to build it that way. Of course. I worry. Yeah Of course, man. Yeah, no, I won't bullshit you. I'm I'm always worried bro. And when it comes to disney now I think the um one of the most embarrassing Misses from them was uh showing us that a soaker and luke met And they talked about nothing dude Yeah, I know. Yeah, I want to know how they met That's what I want to see. Can you imagine the conversations those two could have? Yeah, I could what do we get it's like you're so much like your father. It's like Okay, that's all I have is imagination Yeah, that's the situation we're in, you know, it's all we got Yeah, yeah, well see what happens. I guess Hopefully it turns out. All right We'll see Yeah, at least, uh, you know, we'll all be along for the ride Oh, yeah I mean, it sounds like we were all in the camp of please get better. Please get We're in the same camp. I don't think there's anything really that we disagree on for the most part in terms of core values at all Sometimes I wonder if that's the same for literally everyone It's just that the the internet creates sort of it relies on like the tribalism of humans at the core And uh, we split off and then we start to get really aggressive and uh cartoon versions of each other are sent to each other You know what I mean? Like your worst takes and my worst takes are uh Tumbled into an insane version and then sent to people and it'd be like, oh, that's who that is Yeah, that's what they think. Yeah, absolutely But that that can be said for so many people online and it's like, you know All of those people aren't going to listen to this two hour live stream They're just going to clip the part and wait for something new to come out on well It's actually going to say I hope you guys don't mind if I can put this on our e-fab channel At least the parlor I'm in so that they can know that you and I have spoken because Yeah, go for it man. Yeah And that goes for anyone else too if you want to take clips and stuff and post it on social media and go for it Okay, it's all good with me You excited for any particular project coming up for Star Wars? It tells the Jedi too Yeah, fair hopefully but Again, how do you feel about Ahsoka season two in terms of like excitement of quality? I'm pretty excited for it because I know that Ahsoka is out now and it and and it's We got rid of all the the fluff and the exposition and all that for the new characters and we're now focusing on Uh luke I hope Who else is going to save the day in that galaxy? Well, I mean if it was called Ahsoka season two, I presume that we spend most of it on that other galaxy, right? Well I would assume many things about disney star wars, but I've been proven wrong How'd you feel about the pandavis episode of south park? Oh, dude. It was amazing. Hello. Yeah, it's about time And it's so weird to me that so many people online are basically saying that They're making fun of people like us. I like So one of the takes I had from first seeing it uh said this to my friends at the time I said it to gary from nerderotic about it on stream It's like I kind of wish they took more shots at us. It was a little um Little weak on that side of things. It was more. It was way heavy toward disney Which perhaps that should that should be how it is right the power imbalance between us and a mega billionaire corporation It's not exactly like we should be 50 50 No, but um, it's funny that I had that perspective and then I saw people out live being like you guys you fools The episode's all about how horrible you are. It's like, I know I was like, I don't think so I kind of missed that memo, but all right Fair enough. So we'll see about how kathleen kennedy's Dropped the ball, but yeah, okay. Yeah, sure. Whatever you want. Whatever helps you sleep at night No problem I think we're gonna try and claim it no matter what that's someone. There's another weird thing everyone wants to claim Uh, whatever particularly like high loved art as their representative Yeah, because uh south park obviously is known for making fun of everybody. Yeah, I love them Yeah, I know but but that's also, you know You can't make fun of everyone because there's always that one group of people who's gonna have a problem with it But they can laugh at everyone else. Yep, but not themselves. Yep I mean, we were talking about it last week George Lucas was the biggest fan of like the family guy specials of blue harvest and stuff like that I mean, he's the guy who made it and he loved being being made fun of for it Yeah, as long as it was tasteful and it made sense and the points were funny. I mean, that's what it's all about So and it just made us I know for me we were talking about last week Like it just made me more of a fan of star wars watching blue harvest when that was coming out I was what in middle school or whatever and seeing that and being like, oh, this is cool This is hilarious star wars being made fun of that didn't make me dislike empire anymore Right. It's just it's it's all part of it and it's all That's what comedy is supposed to be and I think that's what honestly all media should be and if you can't stand up to that Being made fun of then you probably don't have the base to stand on to begin with. Oh, dude. Yeah, no The people who throw stones you'd be surprised how many of them live in little glass houses If you make one tweet and then you got a few people coming after them They're like you send everyone to harass me Yep, you literally have a tweet. That's like a three million views on it about slandering me. It's like what? Yeah, I'm just supposed to sit here and say hey Take it give it to me. No, man. I'm not gonna do that. Are you kidding me? Yeah, no, it's insane the entitlement of I should be able to throw anything I can at you and if you have enough one more subscriber than me then you can't say anything back You incite violence you horrible human pick it all the little guy. Yeah, literally Maybe you shouldn't have picked on the little corporation about that Don't fucking come into the den of a bear and wake him up when he's sleeping And then wonder why you get swatted. It's just don't poke at a hornet's nest. What are you doing? Yep I don't understand the psychology behind that, but yeah, that's the internet. It's okay But you know, we're supposed to be the the the bigger man here, right? And we're supposed to be the one who doesn't say anything doesn't defend ourselves. That's that's fine. Whatever Is what it is Mahler, what's your what's your last? Uh, I know you probably gonna say and or but like if you had to give your next two Under that list under and or what would it be not counting the original six? So disney style was what's my next? Yep, maybe rogue one and then And it's a real long drop before you pick something else man, just isn't one I Uh Was quite positive about in the first I think three episodes despite my issues with a couple like bits of the writing I think it was either the third or the fourth one. There's an episode where they have to deal with an atst Is that four? right In the woods. Yeah Everyone's so retarded It's they have a ship and they don't think to use that against the atst the whole episode Instead to train a bunch of villagers with carbon sticks and stuff to I i'm not gonna get into it Of course, I need to rewatch it to give you guys better arguments But I was just like no what the hell's going on and I sort of look back and I was like Oh, I think I was way too nice to this show because I was so desperate For um, we've talked about on our show so many times before it came out We want this bounty hunter who's disconnected from everything can be a mandalorian can be whatever He's just trying to make his way Classic line Just want to see that shit And the big problem I had with mando see the end of season one and then season two It's like mandostan to become one of the most important characters in the star wars universe who's collecting like trinkets from all the main characters and meeting everyone I was just like no, man. I thought he was supposed to be like a Loan ranger out there doing his thing and the star wars will but he's becoming incredibly important And someone actually wouldn't mind talking with you guys about it Like do you have any issue with the asoka becoming more and more and more important and powerful and centered? I don't but like that's kind of character development. So that's fine Yeah, so for us we've seen all seven seasons of clone wars. We've seen four seasons of revels and tales So we know her whole story So for us there's a lot more there And like you not seeing all that and just seeing what you got in the soca I could see why you had that perspective So for me, I don't mind it because it it was built up in all the animated But you had to have seen all of it. I prefer asoka being a spotlight character over ray being a spotlight character Yeah, read that No, you know what I mean? um, I think for I mean what I was in Fifth grade when the clone wars started coming out So like me as a fan of a soca for so long like now being older and being able to pinpoint like oh that's probably not the best writing decision, but still being a fan of a soca. I think that I have more of the Affinity for seeing her get the spotlight Versus somebody like ray. However, or riva But however in this timeline there are people to use riva as an example of like I would rather see an obi-wan kanobi show about kanobi and Anakin Skywalker versus riva and everybody else they threw at us versus who we actually saw in kanobi So when you ask about spotlight, it's like I enjoy seeing a soca in the spotlight But that doesn't mean if I had to choose between a soca and luke skywalker post return to the jedi I would choose a soca. I'd choose luke skywalker every day of the week But it's just in terms of preference when you're digging through that lego bucket of characters to play with it's like Rather play with the soca than play with riva. You know what I mean? And uh, sorry, uh, star was this made a very good point That's going to be informing a lot of my perception Which is why I usually try and branch out and ask people different questions to find out more and something I didn't know because I hadn't seen those particular episodes is that and correct me from wrong on this But a soca was almost Lovely just distracted me A soca was almost dead. She was going to die and uh, uh, yeah We died a couple times. Yeah, like three times died in clone wars Uh, she died in rebels and then Ezra brought her back. Yeah So the the interesting thing in clone wars was the mortis arc Where she died on mortis and the mortis god used her life essence to bring her back to life So that's why she's that's why she's kind of like a mortis god right now So like you should watch those episodes the the three mortis arc episodes for clone wars And it'll make that ending of a soca a lot more meaningful with bailing on the statue of the three mortis gods Okay. Yeah, um, so in a broad writing sense, right that goal We've moved her to being incredibly important and she's been saved from death twice Sorry, even maybe three times Meanwhile, uh, someone who has possibly the most dramatic importance to the universe Actively and currently has been sidelined to the point of not even was he mentioned in a soca luke skywalker Oh, no, no Rod says dron is scared of the padawan of anakin skywalker But is going to end up in the new galaxy with two literal offspring of anakin skywalker Didn't know about it So like that's kind of where i'm coming from not the a soca shouldn't be important because she absolutely should But I feel like the focus is on her at the expense of luke. Oh 100 Yeah, I'd much rather have it be on luke and they kind of ruined that with how they portrayed luke in the last jedi from there It was downhill But um, no, yeah, I'd much rather have that focus be on luke from the beginning But I mean that's not what we got. Yeah, I think that's more of a disney thing of being able to give a character like a soca the spotlight and I mean you could use the whole like you said about the skinwalker thing of like they don't have to do cgi I have a soca to put give her the spotlight and do all this stuff But like for luke skywalker you got to deal with okay, do we bring back more camel? Do we bring back a cgi? Do we do it all in animation? So there's more there's more hoops when it comes to luke if I if If I had to choose them jumping through all of those hoops versus a soca like I said, yeah I I don't care what happens in clone wars. I don't care what happens in rebels. I love a soco But like give me luke skywalker But we do know they have more than enough budget to do it and we do know They have a particular attitude when it comes to luke skywalker We've seen it play out and um, I guess to finally add to that as well They even gave leia You know action an agency in this season, but not luke Leia wasn't even seen carefish has gone And we still got you know more efforts and more interest and more involvement from leia So part of that though is in rebels because uh leia was in a couple episodes of rebels So she has a relationship. Yeah with ezra and harrah So that's why that kind of ties in that it makes sense that she would help her in the soca because they were uh Did a couple missions in rebels not to say what it makes sense that luke skywalker show up You know what I mean, right as decisions and not have luke. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah for sure for sure I think there's also that thing of maybe Now with I know like you said about mando season 2's uh finale and book of boba fat is Maybe they chose somebody like leia not to involve luke as like we don't want to overuse them sort of thing And we'll keep the magic where the magic is and I know it was the skinwalker situation for you But like for a lot of people I know at least for me Like I was in the same boat of like tears in my eyes watching luke skywalker return As much as it was him in a hood and we don't see his face until the end It's like that felt the most like luke skywalker to me coming off last jedi. So Um, I guess the whole I would assume the whole we don't want to overuse him thing Comes into play as much as I don't agree with that. I don't think you could overuse luke skywalker as long as you're using him correctly You know what I mean? Yeah absolutely What do you guys think of taiko itt making it canon that star stormtroopers can't shoot for shit I I mean But that's the thing in and or stormtroopers were kind of feared But then which is cool in obi-wan kano. Yeah, which is great. Which is then obi-wan kano or um, yeah Obi-wan kano was just slapped in the head Oh, yeah, I was losing it when I saw that finale where they like have him be like I can't even I can't even shoot a can. I was like, why would you do that? Why when anakin slashed Riva I and she survived. Yeah, not even the first time the second time too. I'm just like, yeah Yeah, the excuse of I've seen people like the whole twitter thing of like people posting Uh anatomical like oh my god people being like well if the lightsaber goes through this exact point It's not going to affect them as much as they can because of the technology at this point It's like she's a kid like if you get stabbed you get stabbed. There's no way Maybe it's the force or whatever. There's no way he knows exactly where to stab her twice. Are you kidding me? We had a very angry comment when we pointed out like how the quiz it's a guy He got stabbed too and he's alive too and then so it was like they have two stomachs idiot. Yeah I don't know it sucks to not have them both Yeah, that was a major so what Sabine the grand inquisitor Riva twice They've all been able to come back with the medical advancements However, why go on however, why go gin pulling out for quite a what are you gonna do? I can't believe they had Liam Neeson and they got him in the outfit just to do that He should have been more in there man. It should have been more like there was a couple times He was calling to him and like he should have came in those moments But just at the very end like come on man For me that whole show led up to what I wanted to see in the show like as much as I wanted to see you and Hayden return like The most interesting parts to me about obi-wan in the deserts Is like him going into that nomad Learning about the force with quagon as a force goes so Once that show ended I was like cool. Hopefully if they do a season two That's the actual I wish that just started the show like the Hayden stuff was great But I would have rather just seen where they left off. You know what I mean I don't know I had so many ideas for the Kenobi show. I'm sure you guys did as well. Yeah, of course I mean there was supposed to be a trilogy before that and then it became something else I think everybody had 10 years worth of ideas from a movie to a show to three movies to Whatever we got so everybody had an idea. It's just of course somehow. That's the one that stuck somehow Palpatine returned He's coming back Yeah, probably probably again. We'll see the clothing stuff me to the the ray movies like what what the I don't know bro. Yeah to start off with the ray movie after not being in the theaters for like six seven eight years Whenever this drops is ridiculous. It's the most Wild double down and what's strange and the thing that I always bring up in terms of outside of like the story in the movies is like Galaxy's edge is supposed to take place In the time of the sequels, which is why you don't see anybody from the ot or the prequels or anywhere else but like Recently they've realized that like oh people don't want to just go take pictures with ray and kylo ren They'd like to see other people. However, instead of giving you the ot in the prequels characters They've given you Ahsoka and Hera and chopper and as like as much as people would like to go see them It's just that stretch of rather than Giving the people what they want. They'll give the people kind of what they want but In in the terms of what's going to make them the most money of hey, this is a show that's coming out right now Firmando or boba fed so it's just I think that's the perfect example of Hey, we're going to really stick to this and we're really going to go off on It's this is just the sequels and this is where you have to live and it's an experience when you go there I mean you saw what happened with the the whole hotel situation. It's just it's so strange what they Choose to throw money at you know what I mean, and I think we were talking about and or earlier Of the money. It's like I'm not mad that and or got all that money. I'm mad that Kenobi Didn't and a show like she Hulk did regardless of the amount of money it got If it if it was a million dollar show like you said and it was great I would have loved that But it wasn't and at the end of the day all I can say is maybe that would have helped You know what I mean, so in terms of quality Oh, I guess I might just get someone who loves Star Wars in a cave with with uh, you'll McGregor for a week and they can Make a better iPhone flip phone Yeah What a shame what are you gonna do? You know what I can really do just hope for the best and that's kind of like my whole yeah Idea what Star Wars is going forward. It's like well not really judging it on what we used to have I'm judging it kind of on what it is now today and like what's the best that we can get Baller I would love your opinion on That what's his name the director who came out and said that he would only Do a Star Wars movie if he got to reboot it from jump Of just using Luke and ha and do the do a new hope But in the way that he wants to was that Matthew Vaughan? Uh, I forget it was the guy who did the Kingsman I think that is my yeah horrible fucking idea Never ever it's something that nude Roderick has said is gonna be The the photos sort of the death knell of Star Wars as an IP is when they announced the remake of the OT And I was just like what a huge mistake that would be yeah enormous mistake. Um You're not you're not gonna do better. I'm sorry. It's crazy Like we're making the prequels. They wouldn't do better. They're not gonna Yeah, it's just wild at this point that Star Wars is in such a place where when that got posted on twitter There were the people of like well Star Wars isn't great right now So maybe he'll do something better with it where it's like people are so desperate For Star Wars that isn't what we've been getting recently That they would go with recasting everybody from jump to a completely new hope And and just him be the George Lucas in that new hope story It's just wild that it's gotten to that place, you know It's so unfortunate because I would happily have him make something in the Star Wars universe I don't want to do it make the OT like no no no Yeah, especially because you'd think it would be basic maths like you guys understand the OT and the prequels as foundations I was keeping everything alive like people come back to it. They think about it. They want more from that era They want more of those characters they fell in love with the idea that you want to try and paint over them No, yeah No, dude, and then and then to create their own kind of story on top of it It's like you they're just creating something that they think works, but they're not going like how could they take George's You're familiar with George's sequel trilogy that he had planned. Yeah with the wills and stuff, right? No the ball No, that was the older version. Oh, okay. Yeah, there was a 2019 one Where he spoke with Paul Duncan who created a two large archive books called Star Wars archives one to three and then four to six And I had the privilege of speaking with Paul Duncan and interviewing him on the channel And he flew on sat with George in 2019. I believe it was And George gave him the full outline for the sequel trilogy that he was going to make And it involved Darth Maul coming back Filling in the void that was so there was a massive void in the galaxy because Palpatine left and all of these different planets had different Sort of empire loyalists or people even you know gangs and groups trying to take advantage of this void and trying to claim power And so then you had Maul that comes in with his crime syndicate that he's very familiar with And you had Darth Talon come in Luke Skywalker was going to put together the Jedi order Again and try to find new students and Leia was going to be a very major focal point of the entire story Where she would rise to political power herself And so we were supposed to get that story with George But we didn't Well, I would have much rather seen that. Yeah, interesting idea But what if Ray was to build the Jedi temple? I think she's going to in this new movie, right? That's why I was thinking it would be cool if they bring like is that what Dave is trying to do now with you know, uh Luke and bring Maul back with the night sisters and all this stuff. They're gonna resurrect him or something That's why I'm thinking. Okay. Maybe start with Maul because they're he wants to do George's sequel trilogy before Disney's sequel trilogy to kind of give everyone a happy ending, but I don't know. We'll see we will see because he won't easily into a movie, right? Mando this movie. Yes, supposedly Yeah, there was never gonna be that it was supposed to be called heir to the empire That was there was a rumble for a while Well, but I think we're gonna get season two of Ahsoka first and then we're going to get season four of Mando And maybe even season two of Boba Fett before we get that movie That was a huge misstep with manager season three from when I saw our fans online Massive Lizzo, baby. Oh my god. Oh my god. Remind me Well, because I'm assuming you guys felt the same way but when the Mando episodes were injected into Boba Fett There was this realization of like wait, did you just reset? Like the ending of Mando season two and one season three and you're like, yes, they did Yep, completely done. And uh, that has to have been done out of panic. I suppose like the formula It's been so good people love it. We got to keep it going. Yeah Yeah, sell more grogu stuff. Well to say that grogu was with Luke for two years That was confusing. Yeah. Yeah. Can we see that like what? No, you cannot You cannot see any of the conversations that Ahsoka had with Luke during that two years as well We'll get a comic in 2030 of what Luke was doing with grogu on that planet enough with these comics Do we see the actual things? Do you think it was weird that he sent Grogu back with r2d2 Like a Uber Like a like a Uber. Yeah, like no response. That was so strange I thought Luke was going to pop up there in that final fight and I was kind of hyped if we were going to see Luke again But nothing. Yeah, nothing. He doesn't care guys. Luke's busy. Okay. He's busy doing what exactly? That's my big concern is that we're building up to the the hobo luke who doesn't care about anything and wants to die Probably but but what I'm hoping is that Dave would create some sort of a hero luke like he was supposed to be Like george built him up to be uh at the end of jedi In this span between six and seven Which is interesting though is in in canon right now I'm pretty sure like with the battlefront stuff and The shadows of the sith and these comics and all that and obviously Dave has said multiple times that he doesn't Give a rat's ass about that stuff and he'll do what he wants when he comes after it But like in terms of canon right now. He's supposed to be like Going off to find force archives and holocrons and jedi archives and going on adventures during this time However, we don't know if that was in the five years between return of the jedi and when we see him with grogu Maybe he's done by that point. Maybe that already happened in those five years So I don't it's just now that it's after it's that good point of like How soon is luke gonna turn into what we saw in the sequels and there's that jay shadows of the sith book where he's like fighting Like shadow monsters, but anakin's force ghost comes back and that's what made it so anakin's force ghost Didn't show up at the sequels because he used too much of his force essence and dissipated into the force Yeah, I know I didn't read the book for that reason I like I thought it was cool The anakin came in there because we didn't really have any anakin and then I was like, uh Yeah, they can Um, sorry to interrupt. They can is absolutely nuts. Like I remember when I was trying to do a deep dive of tfa I was reading about how um I was trying to get into like how did this happen with poe if you guys remember It was quite public poe's supposed to die in the first act But he you know, he compelled them to keep them in. Yeah, okay. We bring you back I remember being like what could possibly explain what the hell happened and where was he and there was like a book that came out Way later that was like, okay, so he gets out of there and he avoids like coverage from any of the the incoming first order He goes to the village and he's looking for fin rise Just because he's just missing then he sort of heads back and yes, it makes sense It totally all of it makes it's all these weird band-aids after the fact It's people fans are loud enough of like, hey, this doesn't make sense And the story group goes back into the room looking like the charlie day meme from It's always sunny in philadelphia and like it doesn't make sense. How do we make how do we make it make sense? For those writers of those like tertiary third-party books that are supposed to connect all this shit Like I remember one of them was supposed to explain kylo ren just fully who's like, okay Here it is the definitive take on his life how he came from where he was how he got to It's just like so fucking hard to follow you get those three movies It's a different character every time same for huck's by the way I never would have begged that he would be the most inconsistent character across the three movies He's like a different person every time baller would you have Preferred the duel of the fate script for the rise of skywalker movie Probably yes, yeah from from the things I saw in it rise of skywalk So, you know like tfa that's that's one of the more complicated ones in terms like Lots of damage is being done, but I guess you sat in the ground where you know This is that conversation tlji passionately hated it's almost what launched my channel I came out with a video really quick just angry rise of skywalkers like a clown movie I remember being the cinema and being like they don't know how to go up. Are you kidding me? Yeah Later of uh in rogue one. I saw this on twitter. Maybe yesterday There's that thinking and I love rogue one I think rogue one's the best that they've done in terms of movies In a very in terms of content in a very long time. I love that movie But there's that scene where jim's going through the plans On whatever that planet is looking for the death star plans And there's the plan that refers to them being able to track people through hyperspace To make things make sense when they do it in the last jedi of like, oh no no no It's right there. You just got to know what it is. It's just an easter egg guys We were planning on it. It makes sense that they do that You know what I mean and it just jim flips through a name and it's right there Oh, you get me ptsd for all the conversations that happen And remember the like the hyperspace kamikaze so many star wars people were like that makes sense because holdo was the first person to really think of it It was a ship that was just big enough It was a sacrifice guys no one would want to give up a shit that a ship that big But she did because it was to save a lot of it's like stop speaking of virgin What we love tony how when we do like because tony and I are big like toy collectors on stuff and There's ollie's around here where uh How many how many boxes full of captain or whatever holdo toys are there that's every No, don't every Every ollie store in florida has holdo the black series six inch figure at every single store for 7.99 Box every week and I hate it. She's just have to walk past it to find the the stuff that you actually want to see Yeah, all like shipping boxes like they send 50 from Star Wars hasbro and they're like hey these are supposed to get put on shelves ollie's as a second I guess not really a secondhand store, but like they sell the stuff that doesn't buy out really Yeah buy out stuff the first time Those are unopened with like the factory seal tape on the shipping boxes filled with those Like you could buy a full box for probably like 25 bucks of 30 to 40 holdo figures at an ollie's right now. It's just insane when you think about yeah merchandising. Well, you know I mean I hope toxic it would get to because like holdo, you know keeping the plans away from po and then just all this like Crazy toxic behavior as a person in that scenario and then being like I like you po Like you're you're bad. I actually look and being like what is all that and then people being like you don't like it Because it's a woman in power. It's like Oh, yeah I would compare what holdo did of like Hating a character and and choosing the wrong decision What she did to po the entire time and then at the end being like oh, she knew what she was doing all along It was the right thing to kind of what thron was doing in a soka of like He's just getting beat getting beat getting beat nobody likes him at the end. He's going, you know, I did plan this It's just it's kind of that same thing of like you hate a character until right at the end and they go Oh, we are supposed to like them. They are a hero. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, well Morgan Ellsbeth Started to make me laugh because she felt like the um, do you know? Have you seen anastasia or um, it's even like in the lion king But like you have the villain character and then they have this subordinate sort of comic Character who will sometimes feel like say for example evil guys like let's kill all the children And then the car believe was like, oh, do we do we really need to do that? She kept being the character of Why are we doing this throw to be like because we're gonna win. She's like, oh, okay Because I said so And then they clearly don't My favorite thing about thron I think was like we're gonna annihilate her though the next part is like Well, no, we're gonna follow her and then yeah, he was like, no, we're just gonna let her choose her own pop And that's about it. Yeah as was out there this whole time and he's just like, yeah, he's there Yeah, they seem to even know the sort of vague area of where he was the direction to point her in like yeah The bailing thing that you brought up earlier Mauler was like one of the biggest things for me in that episode of like The whole show and specifically the episode right before Sets them both up asoka and bailin as like they don't need to have this next fight They're both ready to not have this engagement But And right before that what does bailin do? He says to shin. I'm too good for this I'm gonna go find my purpose at the thing that's calling to me and asoka She has the whole transformation with anakin afterwards and is ready to go and afterwards. She's like I'm just here to help my friends. That's what I'm here for it It doesn't need to be conflict blah blah blah blah. She's talking to who you hang the whole time She's she's new enlightened with the white robes and then they both just like Halo spawn together to be able to fight on that desert planet It's like they you you wrote them to do something else and then it was just like oh, but wait They got to fight one last time. So I completely agree with you on that That's something I when you said that I was like hell. Yeah, that's 100% what happened You guys think of asra being like forces that's all I need the next episode. He's like there you go lightsaber Yeah, and and like when he was using the force he was kind of shitty at it. Like he wasn't really that great. Well, yeah Yeah, expecting at least a grab the blaster The crazy thing to me was that it's like, you know, take a blaster. No, we'll take the lightsaber at least He's like, no, no just the force. It's like she can't use the lightsaber and the blasters So you should take at least one like one Yeah, I will say too with the with the Ezra thing. It's like When he I clipped it too of like that versus the the force is my ally I don't need a lightsaber. It's like, okay That's a cool line if it was built on afterwards of him just not using the lightsaber Being able to do the dragon ball Hadoukians and all that stuff. It would have been fun but like Comparing that to Luke just tossing the lightsaber over his shoulder or not explaining it I've seen people be like, oh, well, that's what Luke meant in the last Jedi. He didn't need the lightsaber Is that what they're saying now? Oh, yeah I posted that clip of those two things back to back and that was the first thing it's well, you just don't understand Luke meant the exact same thing. That's what he did when he threw the lightsaber He doesn't need the lightsaber anymore. That's why he's scared of it when he falls over I guess we don't understand Do you know one of the things I love Love about the sequel trilogy is how much those films fight with each other. Yeah Oh god. Yes. Yeah, they is like ray your parents like, you know, they're out there to be found It's gonna be incredible. Then the second film's like nobody. There's nobody. There's nothing there Nobody the third film's like no, no, no Palpatine I've posted that clip the other day of of daisy ridley being asked after uh, the rise of skywalker of She was in an interview with josh gad or whatever And he goes he's like so you really didn't know the whole time and she goes no I had no idea jj said it was maybe an obi-wan Kenobi thing Yeah, and then she was nobody and then she said I was the grandbaby of palpatine And I said that's cool But then they didn't tell me until the last two weeks of shooting and it's just like that's the perfect Example of why those movies don't make sense. It's because your main character that your tent pole for the entire Trilogy, you didn't know who she was the entire time as you were writing it Yeah, and then you know mythologizing luke. He's the one we're all leading to we're gonna get him at the end of tfa He's gonna come in and he's gonna make all of this make sense But lead them be better the second film's like no, he's yep. No, you know And then the third film's like no, no, no, no, he is he's a good look at him. Oh, he's teaching He's he's he catches the lightsaber as it's being thrown. I was like, oh my god There was uh in the trailer for I think it was the last Jedi It was either the last Jedi or the rise of skywalker it's Luke saying the the voiceover of luke playing of being like My father had the force. Yeah, my sister had it I have it and now you have it and you're like, oh luke's gonna be an awesome mentor This is gonna be fantastic and then look I always say in the last jedi the one scene that I'm like Ah, this is okay is when yoda says the whole thing about uh failure being the best teacher That's the most like star wars any part of that felt However, you have to look at it through the lens of that's yoda teaching luke skywalker that What it could have been luke skywalker teaching ray that rather than ray teaching luke that you know what I mean Love um, love the lesson hate the context exactly about it. Yeah Put the quote on a sticker, but don't show me the movie where it came from. You know It seems like we agree on pretty much everything dude. I don't see any sort of uh Differences here. It's great. Well, there we are Yeah I think um, I think people view me as much more like I don't I don't like to use this way but hateful of more disney star wars content compared to you through you guys for sure Like when we when someone says like so because season two, uh, mauler if I what do you guys think we're like I was gonna be bad while you're like, I hope it's gonna be good, you know, like much more Optimistic point of view. I would still say I hope it's gonna be good But I'm so I'm so aware of how these things are made at like marvel I argue maybe there's even less hope when I know the creators behind it I know that they're desperation for like reshoots and some of the worst damage that gets done is in reshoots at this point Um, and the budgets are ballooned. It is bleeding everywhere. You know, I mean like I I want I want better But um, I think I'm more pessimistic that you guys that that's probably the big I want better. I think I'm more hopeful. Yeah, but you know every time. Yeah, so I've been saying it since Book of Boba Fett when people are like like if somebody in my day to day They know I'm the star wars guy around and they're like, oh you like star wars. What are you? How are you excited for what's to come next? I always chalk it up to cautious optimism with it being 80 cautious and 20 optimism like hey, it could all go to shit right here But I'm at least going to give it a try before I see it. You know what I mean? Yeah Yeah, but at least I you know, and I still keep tabs and I know that this and this was just Completely crap. Yeah, and I'm very worried but at the same time Yeah, I'm hopeful Yeah I'm not french by the way. No, do I drink wine nor do I uh eat cheese? I have a Yeah, I'm the one who went to film school with a mustache Yeah, I have a beret somewhere. Yeah. Enjoy this mauler. Would you come back one day? Absolutely. You have a you're welcome to have a direct line to me I was gonna say I don't have um, you prefer twitter discord, whatever. Uh, I like instagram. Yeah, discord's fine. Yeah Yeah, I Oh, yeah, I can send it to you through twitter dms my discord Yeah, I'll hit you up on the score or something like that. No problem. And yeah, uh, I suppose this goes both ways But anything that you hear, um But it may as well not believe it about whatever I've said it doesn't goes for you I think you'd always clarify it in person because um I I really hate interpersonal dramas. I really hate creator dramas I feel like a lot of them are encouraged by audiences. No fans audience not not taking a shot at your door. It's just that um I much prefer collaborations. Yeah, me too Yeah, that's what I figured we'd be fine because we both got friends of friends like um, I'm on very good terms with Yeah, I didn't know what your story was what your angle was. They're just like oh, he wants to debate you He's a film major and I'm like Oh man People honestly like they're like, oh more what what books have you read? What courses did you take and I'm like I watched a lot of movies About an analytical person. You're smart Well, and a lot of people are like, he's not a fan of Star Wars. I found a film. I'm like, dude I'm a fan of Star Wars. I fucking love Star Wars. I kind of wish I didn't sometimes So wildly people say that I know. Well, I'm sure all these clips will be taken out of context and yay More for sure. Great. Go for it. Excellent Um, thanks for coming on man. I'm gonna end the show. I gotta bounce soon anyways But um, no problem anytime and yeah, I'll catch you again next week or something Thank you so much for having me guys next week. So if you want to hop in you're more than welcome Good to meet all of you. Nice to meet you Mawler. All right. See you folks later, man. Later That was great. Yeah Yeah, had a good time