 Hello and welcome back to frightfully forgotten horror movies our first legit episode of 2024 Before we get going what are you drinking here? Oh, we're drinking Daniel O'Grady's four-leaf clover stout from the clover patch You have to put it on his body Burnin' hell you little green BASTARD If anyone is curious what we've been up to the last month or so We got into the drinking a little too heavy and decided to go out thrifting for VHS Yeah, I found this at a thrift store and the the guy wouldn't even haggle you made a big scene Yeah, I started throwing shit around cops got involved Justin went on the run I had to get a lawyer to try to bail us out of this whole thing It was trouble Big trouble What I'd like to do today, Mr. Johnstone is get your version of what happened You mean the truth? Of course first just state your name and your occupation for the record Adam Johnstone YouTuber What kind of YouTube and where please? Horror movie channel channel for horror movies Winnipeg Manitoba can Thank you Now before we get to the meat of this thing Do you at the present time have any knowledge of the whereabouts of a Mr. Justin Bush or his VCR? Oh god, would you leave him alone? Mr. Johnstone, please you could be in a great deal of trouble here Half the city's liquor stores have been cleared out and the thrift stores are their VHS VHS I mean all hell is breaking loose There's some people that say you're involved that you may be responsible that you're a very dangerous man Now if you're protecting Justin Bush, you leave Justin Bush alone We are in his debt He showed great courage sitting through Exorcist believer Okay, but if I'm gonna be your attorney there are a few things I have to know Like do you really believe in heavy drinking and watching old horror movies? Do you mean out of print horror VHS? Yes Absolutely Are you still serious about this? And Betamax and Laserdisc as well I suppose And heavy drinking And I suppose you expect me to believe in heavy drinking as well Of course Why? Because it's real How can I know that Mr. Johnstone? How? Yes, how? Help me out here Please See that was nothing But that's how it always begins Very small Yeah, this is Justin Bush with frightfully forgotten horror movies And I'm reviewing for whoever's listening out there Like I told my last fan, I said buddy, I never review faster than I can see Besides that it's all in the reflexes Needless to say we cleared our names Finally By the way, how did the reviews go over CB Radio? This thing wasn't even plugged in So we're gonna kick off season eight with a retrospective of a part eight horror movie It's only fitting Yep And there's not many part eights to really talk about No So we're gonna talk about 1989's Jason Takes Manhattan First we're gonna kind of go back to the beginning How did we get to part eight? How did we get to Manhattan? Yeah It started out as a murder mystery Low budget, simple beginnings Yeah, where you don't really know who the killer is You always see the hands, right? And then there's a big twist at the end We get to part two which we're finally introduced to Jason He's got the bag head scene going on He's not wearing the hockey mask yet But even that movie still kind of starts off as a bit of a mystery Because you don't really know until later on the movie that it is legit Jason Yeah It could be anybody Then it gets to the third one Then now it starts to get a little bit uh Hokey Yeah, you know and he gets his mask finally He gets his his look We get to part four and this begins the Tommy Jarvis trilogy In this one Corey Feldman plays Tommy Jarvis And it was legitimately actually supposed to be the final movie You know Jason gets killed with the Machete through the face And at this point Jason is more monster than man His hands and all that He's now become a monster He's no longer the hillbilly in the woods Then we get to the fifth one And it turns out that it's a copycat killer It's not even Jason at all Which is a really cool twist I like where they went with that Part six is the return of Jason Jason lives And this is where we get introduced to Zombie Jason He gets hit with a bolt of lightning comes back to life And now he's basically an unkillable zombie slasher Part seven takes all that even further And they also introduce a new character who has psychokinetic powers or whatever You can throw Jason around and do all this shit to him Now we're in Jason takes man hat moment here Yeah We're gonna step back and take a look at it from afar And kind of see why it failed And also talk about what could have been Because this movie actually had a lot of potential Yeah And there were earlier drafts of the movie which Was kind of the movie we all wanted to see but never got The movie starts off with like this sick monologue This guy talking You can't get the adrenaline pumping without the terror good people I love this town It's one of the weirdest openings to a Friday the 13th movie Yeah What the fuck So obviously he's talking about New York But then they take you right out of New York I know yeah Like it's like it starts in New York And like oh yeah And then you're on some fucking Don't Yeah And the anchor from the boat kind of Latches onto this power cord Rips it and then it electrifies Jason and brings him back to life Again with electricity Yeah So even there this movie is unoriginal It's already boring from part six Yeah Then we get kind of introduced to all the characters And they get on a boat and they're bound for New York Jason just happens to hitch a ride I guess he needs a vacation or something So Jason basically starts killing all these kids on the ship Of course One of the girls Renny has these kind of visions of Boyhood Jason Cape Jason drowning and like why is she seeing him? We never really find out The boat breaks down And they all got to get on a lifeboat And they roll all the way To New York City And Jason follows them He swims there Well, did he swim or did he just walk on the ocean floor? Oh, he could have Yeah You don't see him swimming Although there would have been fun He's all Too young guys doing all the rowing And that shitty principle With that steering thing Yeah They make it to New York And they end up in the sewers somehow Where toxic waste gets dumped every 24 hours Or every night And then Jason basically gets hit by this wall of toxic waste And all his lightning hits And then he reverts back to kid Jason And then like I guess he dies I don't know And that's the end of the movie Like so why the movie failed is pretty blatant By the plot that we just described It's not good Most of it takes place on the damn ship And that's the movie's biggest problem Where Jason does not take Manhattan He takes a cruise Yeah And he forgot his cabana wear Jason wearing one of those flowery shirts And everything with sandals It should have went that way, man It would have been better if he had fucking His cabana shirt on and the hat Yeah Sandals They should have went full bore in that direction This movie lacks character development And good characters Yeah, good characters too They're all pretty damn lame Renny who is supposed to have this psychic link with Jason But they don't develop the character Or the story enough to know why You never find out why Yeah, when she was a young girl She fell in the water and was kind of attacked By kid Jason Which is just hanging out there But that doesn't explain why She's always seeing him as a kid You know why I don't get that I think what they were maybe trying to get at Was they were trying to continue that psychic shit From the seventh movie They didn't want to continue like that whole character Right So they wanted to keep peace of it Well, why would you do that? The kills in this movie fucking suck There's only one good kill And it's the most famous kill that a lot of people talk about Is the rooftop boxing match Take your best shot Which is a fantastic kill But it doesn't make up for the rest of The shitty kills Yeah And again, a lot of that was censoring They were forced to cut out a lot of that stuff But even then, if they would have kept it in I still don't think There would have been that strong No The kills No It wasn't a strong movie to begin with So That principal guy that Charles When he gets put upside down In that barrel of toxic waste And all that shit I just found a shoot where he went the extra step Like the toxic Avenger When he starts punching his nuts Like into the barrel Well, it would have been cool too Punch his nuts in and all that But then pull him out and show what he looks like After he's all melted Yeah, like And Jason kind of sucks in this movie too Like at this point We're almost kind of desensitized from Jason He's no longer scary Because we've seen him too much He's not kind of entertaining And funny the way that Freddy became So he's kind of like just Blah He just wouldn't and kind of like I don't really You don't care for Jason You don't root for Jason You also don't root for the kids either No, because you don't care about any of them Because they didn't take the time to develop anything So you're not really rooting for any one character in this And you know Jason's probably at his lamest here I think This movie lacks a serious purpose As to what he's doing and why You know with the previous movies You kind of Okay, he's killing camp counselors Yeah There's a reason for that And that's acceptable Counselors killed his mom That's all you'd need Yeah And in this movie he just hops a ship For no reason And he just starts killing the kids Gabe, you need something You need a purpose there To drive this story along I guess really maybe you can Reach a little bit and say that he wants to kill Renny because he wasn't able to kill her Back in the day You know when there were both kids Yeah, you know And so I gotta get her now Because I didn't get her before Like that's the only reason I could think of And a lot of things in this movie just don't really add up Or make sense Like the whole you know Visions of Jason as a kid We talked about that This grad taking place on this cruise ship Like what there's 10 people in this graduating class Like I know there's small town classes And stuff like that But a whole cruise ship For a class of 10 kids That janitor guy like Yes This voyage is doomed Well then get off the fucking boat If you think it's doomed Why are you here Yo hangs around still Like I think the kids can clean up after themselves Get the fuck off the ship And the music in this movie man It's really lacking Like besides some of the rock and roll music That's in there That's kind of Kool-A's music But the score itself It's not done by Harry Manfredini And it shows It's just a boring shitty score It doesn't sound like a Friday the 13th movie Yeah And it doesn't feel like one either General atmosphere There isn't one It just feels so bland and boring That's all the reasons why this movie failed Basically It also failed at the box office It was one of the worst performing If not the worst performing Friday the 13th movie of all time A lot of competition at the box office too It was basically sequel central It was this summer of the sequels It was competing with Nightmare on Elma Street 5 Yeah, Halloween 5 Fright Night 2 Yeah So it's like all these you know sequels In the theaters at once It was probably you know like Horror movie sequel burnout At this point right Yeah, how many can you fucking watch and stand Yeah, yeah And I think that has a lot to do with Why the movie failed in the box office Was I think it was the end of an era right It was 89, you know Slashers were going hard for a good fucking like 10 years And it was just kind of like running out of steam At least with the Nightmare on Elm Street movies They took Freddy into a funner direction It became fun and exciting at least Even though we don't like that version of Freddy At least there's entertainment value with that Right, you know at least with Freddy They were always kind of developing his character In his backstory You kind of learn more about him In every movie Even though those movies suck You're still at least You know they're building that character In this they're not building nothing You know Taking Jason to Manhattan Was a big deal And should have been a big deal It was like this first time that he left Camp Crystal Lake People were excited To see him fucking take Manhattan And he doesn't Yeah, he doesn't do any of that Yeah So let's talk about what this movie should have been then Because he was actually supposed to take Manhattan Properly Yeah Originally there were a couple of drafts kicking around for part eight That was a direct continuation of part seven With the female character right With the powers and all that The execs signed off on this Jason taking Manhattan It's a great idea, let's do it And he was supposed to be in Manhattan for most of the movie Not an eighth of it Yeah he was supposed to do all sorts of cool things He was supposed to that the boxing match On the rooftop was actually supposed to take place in Madison Square Garden Yeah How they would have done that They would have gotten there I don't know But it would have been cool They were supposed to be seen shot on the Brooklyn Bridge That would have been cool Like him I guess walking across it Or maybe on the way up high On the spire Yeah that would have been great Yeah He was supposed to like scale the Statue of Liberty somehow Like come on like that's a great image Yeah Why again I don't know How they would have connected all this shit I don't know It's supposed to be like going on killing sprees through department stores And in Times Square Like that's what we all wanted to see Yeah But the studio cut the budget on this movie big time Simply they couldn't afford to film in all those locations So they filmed it in Vancouver, Canada instead Most of it All the stuff on the boat On the dock All that shit Was in Canada So it's not really Jason takes man at And it's Jason takes a cruise in Vancouver When they finally arrive at what you think is New York It's I think it's supposed to be New York They spend most of their time in the back alleys and all that Shit fighting thugs and all that too Yeah Fluff all this shit Yeah it's not the parts of New York that you really want to see No it's like I don't this could be anywhere Yeah there's a cool shot of him in Times Square That's about it you know that's like that's the only defining New York Setting in the movie and it's it's In less than a minute Yeah At face value looks like it should be tons of fun Like look at the the the marketing campaign behind this Like just the movie cover alone is fantastic I remember this always being the cover at the movie stores Like that's the one I want to rent because it looks so cool Yeah But then you get it Not so much But I do remember when this came out when this was a new release in the video stores And we actually went and visited my grandma in Vancouver no less And it was funny at the time she didn't have a vcr vcrs were expensive They were fucking pricey They were you know four or five hundred bucks for like a run of the mill vcr So she didn't have one so when we went to the movie store I saw this on the shelf and I was like holy shit You know I was like four or five years old like oh whoa We got to get this he's gonna be in Manhattan. Yeah, it's like whoa So we rented this and then mom was like oh Oh, we don't have a vcr We had to rent the vcr from the movie store. Yeah, I remember doing that I remember having to do that too, you know before we got a vcr my mom renting the vcr and the movie Like oh boy back in the day. So yeah, there was hype behind this movie and it you know That's what happened when you have a great idea great marketing campaign and The product doesn't live up to it at all. Yeah word spreads and movie tanks. Yeah. Yeah And I think it was the combination of all those things right like Word probably spread Jason doesn't take manhattan Audience is probably burned out from slashers at this point. Anyways the competition at the box office all that stuff Yeah, the studio not supporting it. Yeah, that's the biggest thing. Yeah, if they would have just put the extra money in Yeah, I think they would have seen a very good return on it. Yeah, because the idea Is fine. Mm-hmm. It's the delivery. Yeah, you know, so that's just our thoughts on Jason takes Manhattan I know there are some people out there that actually like it Yeah, and if you do let us know if you don't let us know too We'd like to hear other people's thoughts on on this movie because I think it is a little You know, it's put it this way out of all of the friday the 13th movies that I'd put into the vcr It would not be this one. Right. Yeah, I put them all in first before this. Yeah, and that includes Jason goes to hell. Yeah. Yeah, Jason. Jason goes to hell as a masterpiece Uh, Jason X Probably not. Yeah, those are our thoughts and until next time keep drinking