 The pineapple emoji I could have yeah, I want to I want to chair a man in the picture of Mao We have to have the man levitating the businessman levitating. I don't know if you can get an actual picture of Mao emoji made That's gonna be a tall order He wasn't a very tall man though. You can get it you can get it that seems like a totally different game though That's not like we'll affortune anymore. It's that should be a totally new game show No, it would be a quiz show and basically you would be presented with a sense and complete emoji and the first person to get The entire sentence correct wins that round. That's cool. I like that Or you're presented with a statement and you have to Express that statement in emoji and then we vote That would take too long though, that's the thing if you want a 30 minute game show you want you want to expedite the Internet needs to be 30 seconds You'd be given like a pre Like 32 character emoji set and out of those you'd have to create the saying, you know So that you're not gentlemen. Welcome to emoji whiz Oh, yeah, I like that that's game show network stuff man that could be very cool because you could do them both ways I like that. Who do we talk to who do I talk to game show network? You gotta know somebody sadly we have to do a tech news show now. Oh, what we'll think about this All the headlines and emoji right? Yeah, you can pitch that to YouTube though. The emoji for Samsung again hmm, I Think it's Apple and then a bunch of dollar sign It is today. All right, shall we do the show here we go Is it 130? Yeah, it's 130. Okay. All right If you want if you insist When having tea with the Queen you must remember three important things one pinky up to Never wear a hat more audacious than hers and three make sure you wear your DTNS t-shirt To become Queen appropriate go to daily tech news show.com forward slash support Oh This is the daily tech news for Friday December 4th 2015 on top Mary joining me today Darren kitchen of hack five dot org How are you Darren kitchen? Oh, man? I'm so much fun hacking all the things all the things. Oh, don't don't bring a thing around Darren's house And don't expect him to not try to hack it or or come to Darren's house and pick up stuff to hack Did I mention that we're having an open house at the warehouse on this Saturday and a garage sale? Like drawings doing the ff garage sale thing. Yeah, I'm doing the EFF garage sale thing. That's fantastic Final the hack five dot org slash open house, and I hope to see this weekend if you're in the Bay Area Joining us for the second time this week We're very lucky to have Len Peralta back to illustrate the show as he does most Fridays How's it going Len? It's good. It's good to be back here on my regular day Although the Wednesday show was very fun, and it was a nice way to break up the week How did you feel being an Appundit versus an illustrator on Wednesday? I was a little bit scared because usually I can just sort of listen And and not come you know my opinion not bad. No, I always am always paying attention But it was it was very strange, but I you know I'd love to do it again He didn't send you the script. You didn't just read the script. Oh, I Forgot. Oh, man. There's so many things I need to know that line until the next line down Oh, I'm sorry and then walks off camera, right? All right, let's get to some headlines Samsung has agreed to pay Apple five hundred forty eight million dollars before December 14th to settle patent violations if It receives an invoice from Apple this weekend like how petty is that? However, according to a joint statement filed to the US District Court for the Northern District of California Samsung added that it continues to reserve all rights to obtain reimbursement from Apple For the payment if future appeals Find the patent violations invalid and in that same filing Apple said it disputes Samsung's asserted rights to the reimbursement Samsung has requested a Supreme Court review of its case this summer So even though Samsung's ready to pay they're being a little petulant about it They're right there are good reasons to want an invoice, but they're kind of wearing it on their sleeve I feel like and and they are still appealing. They're not giving up the fight I wonder if they're like, you know Apple you're gonna have to invoice us and don't invoice us with any of that Apple emoji We need the Samsung emoji on that invoice if it's like any tech company. I've ever worked with they're like well You'll need to sign up at our third-party invoicing company And we'll need the proper documentation. Do you have workers comp? We'll need you to file that in there as well. Oh, it looks like you used the 2011 version of the W9 Can we get you to refile with the 15? No, no, you know what the most epic troll ever is in this instance Is if they're like do exactly what you just said, but Kavya Oh, by the way Apple our third-party service only worse than Internet Explorer 6 Yes, that is probably what Samsung does not what Samsung is going to do now Twitch launched for the Android TV platform found in things like the Nexus player from Google or several smart TVs The new app let you log in follow and search for content do some chatting Streams can be 1080p and 60 frames per second if they're being delivered that way by the creator twitch also upgraded It's Android mobile app with whispers 2.0 enhanced chat And because Nvidia's shield Android TV already had an app for streaming your games It now becomes the only streaming device that lets you both watch and Share twitch now, they're not counting game consoles when they say streaming devices They're talking about Roku's and stuff like that I think this is awesome. I mean just think all of those amazing games for the Nvidia shield that you can now stream Both of them are gonna be really exciting to see more than two games There's a lot of games you can stream on the video You know what I'm actually more excited for is the possibility of this coming to Android because when you look at some of The like larger tablets if you look as as we you enter an era where you where the stylus is a thing again This is exciting for creators Len How cool would it be to be doing some illustrations on an Android tablet with a stylus and streaming that live with with twitch I Would love to do that. I am so technologically Impaired I don't really know how to do it, but it sounds fun Yeah, we'll make it easy for you, and then we'll all watch it on our Nexus players Yes, actually the one streaming device. I don't know is the next IDC cut its 2015 smartphone shipment forecast for the second time in four months IDC expect smartphone shipments now to only grow 9.8% for 2015 which would be the first year of single-digit growth if it turns out to be true growth in China has slowed to single digits And that's what's dragging down these forecasts Middle East and Africa will likely see the highest growth of the year passing India and Indonesia Worldwide iOS is expected to grow 17.3% so Apple doing very well Android will grow 9.5% right there in the middle and Windows is expected to fall by 10.2% worldwide That that's that's terrible news Tom smartphones like declining. We're gonna need netbooks e-reader Tablet seeing 3d TV augmented reality wearables those of us who like to quote IDC market share numbers And there are two of them We we've seen this happen We went from quoting the PC market share to the laptop market share to the smartphone market share and it's gonna we know where it's going It's gonna be taken up by the wearable market share IDC also put out the bunch more dynamic numbers for wearables in Q3 Fitbit still holds the top spot with 22% of shipments Apple held on to the number two spot that it took over last quarter with 18.6% That's just the Apple watch folks. So they're selling some Apple watches here the star mover This quarter though is Xiaomi which now has 17% of the worldwide market Even though most of its wearable sales come from China year-over-year Xiaomi's wearable shipments have grown 815.4% Garmin is next with 4.1% of the market and fourth place goes to BBK's XTC brand 3.1% of the market goes to them and they only have one watch that they sell in China. It's a youth watch It's a children's watch called the Y01 It's just sad that Google's not on my list. They had the opportunity They had a hundred percent of the market share for a hot second not really well Samsung Was number five last quarter and they fell out. They got bumped away by XTC here. They're the mayor of Simpleton Porsche announced it will spend 1 billion euros on a new plant to produce the all-electric Mission E car which they expect to go into production now. It has been greenlit for production They could might arrive around 2020 according to Reuters 700 million million euros will be spent on expanding a factory in Zufenhausen, Germany The remaining money will be spent on a development center in Weissach The mission E is expected to have more than 600 horsepower a range of more than 310 miles And Porsche hopes to have it on the market like I said by the end of the decade Don't you want an electric Porsche? No, I don't do Android's dream of electric Porsches. They probably do Nikkei reports Toshiba and Fujitsu are talking about merging their PC businesses into the vio PC business If you don't remember Sony spun the vio unit out So vio just makes PCs and laptops now Fujitsu said it will spin out its PC business next year So that's going to happen Toshiba is considering it a vio spokesperson told the Wall Street Journal the report was complete speculation Doesn't mean it's not true. Sony just confirmed it will acquire Toshiba's image sensor business for 19 billion yen to be completed by March If you're wondering why Toshiba is slicing itself up like this Toshiba's CEO resigned in July due to an accounting scandal. I Don't know how to feel about this because I love all three of those brands, but I don't necessarily want them to be all in one I for one was just like happy that vio lives on in some form or fashion because this, you know, they're just gorgeous They're just amazing. I hate to admit it, but they are if you look at it as these companies PC Divisions would likely get closed down otherwise certain Toshiba is in danger of that And then say could we keep these brands alive under a new company? That's independent of all of these other megacorporations that just makes PCs and laptops so that they're not as Worried about a division that isn't performing. Well, they're focused on making it work They get 30% of the Japanese market to if these three combined So they've they've got the ability to spell some stuff and as do as much as PC and laptops are declining these days They're not going away. So you need somebody to make them I think this might be the best thing we could hope for given the circumstances Yes, and given the fact that the you know for some reason the Japanese designed laptops are always seem to be the best The most expensive but also the best think of it like an all-star team like hmm Think of it like an all-star team. You get the best designers of Toshiba Fujitsu and Sony now vio all working in one company Yeah Okay, maybe I like competition, but yes. Well, there still be HP And Lenovo The companies that used to make good luck anyway, I'm sorry. I still like Lenovo Google launched its first broadband Wi-Fi network in Kampala, Uganda. That's the capital of Uganda The BBC reports the network is live now covers 120 locations in the city Google will now sell the service to local telcos With the hope that the improved network capacity will allow those telcos to offer better broadband at cheaper prices Google's saying we'd like to see them sell a day's worth of unlimited internet for about a thousand Ugandan shillings. That's around 30 cents us The telcos get to set their own prices though. Google has built 800 kilometers of fiber optic cable to connect Uganda And the next project for them is the Ghanian cities of Akra, Tema and Kumasi That's awesome. I think it's just like so much easier in Developing nations to roll out this kind of infrastructure Maybe it's the lack of regulations or just that they can just do it on the cheap like throw out some cable And some Wi-Fi and call it a day. I Hesitate to to say it's easy to roll it out of these countries because there are there are lots of impediments To doing it. I imagine that they get closer cooperation with the government I would doubt that they don't have to do regulatory things, but the government's going to welcome them say yes, please Come help I'd be interested in hearing someone talk about that whether it's whether it's actually easier now If the government gets in the way those are those are good questions to ask Legacy stuff too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's absolutely true. That's a really good point You don't have to go fight against some incumbent who's won't let you you know who's trying to block you from digging up the streets, right? I Would like to I would like to I would like to commend Google for getting in and digging up ground and putting things in in Uganda versus plans for things I mean, I love the idea of Google moving bits, you know Yeah, and I want to see more of that especially in terms of the loon stuff, you know Yeah My wife works for Google Meanwhile ZD net reports Kazak Telecom JSC, which is Kazakhstan's largest telco has announced citizens there will be obliged to install a national security certificate on every connected device as of January 1st That means every secure connection in the country will pass through government servers Litix users however seem to be exempted from the requirement it mentions Windows OS 10 Android and iOS Well, we'll see the thing is based on just the network topology It may always it may already be the case that Everybody's network traffic in this country is going through government-controlled servers anyway A lot of nation-states have very interesting relationships with their telcos that make Make the ones here in the United States and that even seem Braconian What they're talking about is installing a Certificate similar to what we've seen in the incidences with Dell with their eTrust root certificate and What was the other one Lenovo would they call it super fish or? Yeah, it's like a country-wide super fish Exactly, and all that allows them to do is launch a man in the middle attack whereby they can make HTTPS Connections on your behalf and then eavesdrop in the middle and so you could still get to an HTTPS domain It's just not secured in the way that you think Terrible idea worst implementation of nationwide Domestic spying I've ever heard of it's also like the easiest thing in the world to Bypass because you just don't use the certificate Yeah, but then if the telco notices that you don't have a certificate Oh, no, what do you have in for bed you use tour? Skype has announced that all calls made to Chennai Mobile and landline numbers will now be free Chennai or it's often called Modrus is India's fourth largest city with around five million people and a month of heavy rainfall Caused the reservoir to overflow. There's been heavy flooding in the city for weeks Skype has provided instructions in English Hindi and Tamil for the service and A good move by Skype to help people stay connected in an area that's going through a terrible disaster right now That's some awesome stuff and you know what I wonder if at the end of the day that actually costs Microsoft anything I mean does but probably not a significant percentage of their budget, right? I wonder when we get to the point where I mean already we're like remember long distance, you know, right? Eventually that will be a thing of the past even international. I hope yeah most of the Will be lost Revenue that might have been done had there not been flooding and people doing regular business, which isn't going to happen right now anyway So, yeah, I think I think it's a it's a good move and it builds good will for Microsoft There are selfish reasons for Microsoft to do this. I get that But it still has a good effect. So yeah user platform we can spy on you. It's great See that's how you do it Kazakhstan You just give people free long distance and they'll install whatever you want Thankfully Kazakhstan doesn't have any flooding right now, although. I don't know what's going on in Kazakhstan So they may have some other thing going on there llamas Yeah, do they have llamas in Kazakhstan? Maybe it's quite possible. Hey folks Let us know what you want us to talk about on our subreddit daily tech news show dot reddit calm We've got more than 5,000 people in there submitting stories Many of those stories we use today and we look at how people are voting to decide what to do with them So get in there and participate. That is a look at the headlines All right, another story out today from Reuters is an update to a story that has been continuing all year In fact, T2 T2 runs our chat room and does a lot of other great stuff around the chat realm has is living in in Estonia and said that this Reuters article felt like a lot of things He already knew But it talks about something in Estonia called digital continuity So the worry comes from 2007 cyber attacks in Estonia that slowed down Services they were attacks on government and banking services and and Estonia weathered them quite well But they'd like to weather them better if they were to happen again So they have a plan in place to back up government services to commercial cloud providers By 2016 they want to have open data including things like the land ownership registries The state gazette of laws every law has to be published in those state gazettes to be backed up To you like an Amazon s3 or a Microsoft Azure in fact back in March Estonia successfully put the state gazette and the president's website on Azure in an experiment with Microsoft There were some challenges to that we'll talk about in a second They would not be putting things like medical information sensitive personal information classified information say from the military the police They're also talking about developing off-site servers in embassies outside the country The idea would be that an embassy is actually sovereign ground So you wouldn't be taking the data off the country, but you would be taking it out of the country So if there was a physical attack on Estonian infrastructure, you would still have all your data available There are things like public and private database exchange called x-road that would also need to work off-site That's a peer-to-peer service. They use essentially they want there and to be able to restore the country from backups Yeah, no, it's really exciting. This is actually a fantastic fascinating very futuristic topic Very important one when it comes to persistence of government I personally remember as a member of Buzztown in 2007 hearing you and Molly talk about this and just being blown away By the gravity of the situation Kind of just the symbolic way of having a nation's like it's as if if White House gov Like you haven't been to White House gov in years And you only checked it out because you heard of the comm one and then you're like, oh, okay This is the real one and if that went down, you know, we would suddenly all be freaking out because you know That's like a shot over the bow So this really brings up some really interesting ideas as far as Decentralization and distributed networks and things of that nature and like how you can use the technology to to maintain governance Yeah, some of the challenges that they ran into in the experiment were interesting Services that work perfectly well on the servers within Estonia might be using somewhat out-of-date software And when they tried to replicate it They were using the updated software and the services didn't work So that that pointed out some things that they they needed to take care of they also found that Documentation of how to administer some of the things is not as complete as it should be so part of Doing this experiment is actually going to improve the way things work within the country as well. I think right I mean in fact anybody working in IT right now can sympathize with that those statements about poor documentation about the network or the database of the product or whatever it happens to be and and and lack of updates and and You know version control and things being all out out of date and stuff So, you know, that's awesome that they're now I know that they're they're taking steps to acknowledge those problems and fix those things They it comes up with some really interesting challenges too as far as I love the idea of Distributing among the different embassies because when you consider them sovereign ground when you can't consider sovereignty of your network Well, that's interesting except where do you get network access for your little island of your nation state within somebody else's nation state? Well, you get it from them. So it brings up all sorts of interesting ideas about you know, how do you secure this data? How do you know encrypt this? You just run tour with a VPN, right? Well, you know actually it's funny that you should say that I really think that this actually brings up An interesting concept that I think we need better Decentralized and distributed technologies. I know we have a lot of those There's a lot of like open source and proof of the concept kind of stuff But none of it is ubiquitous and this is nothing new that we there were Mozilla plug-ins back when Firefox was called Thunderfire cheetah ant I forget Phoenix and it's Phoenix anyway, so There's no reason there was a brief period where I called it Thunderfire cheetah ant that may be what you're thinking. There we go Okay, but there's some you know, there's no reason why Everyone in the globe couldn't have a small piece of Estonia so that it could never be knocked down Well, yeah, I let that to everything and then things get really interesting not just Estonia Estonian Prime Minister Tavi Rovius told Reuters having some state registers in the cloud in clusters in different locations Makes them less vulnerable now. He's talking about the public registries like the land registry and such But it's that same idea of like don't put all your eggs in one basket and it's and it's going to be a more robust The it's kind of the underlying idea of the internet was you know, let's make it so that if one line goes down it doesn't take the whole network down with it and It brings up some really interesting Problems with Quating data's server location in physical space with the laws that govern it like you said I mean Estonia can say well, okay, our embassy is technically Estonian ground So we'll put our servers there, but how do you get it out of there? It's going to have to traverse over lines somewhere within the country that surrounds it And and I think that this might end up being a way to solve some of those issues of how we should really look at National sovereignty when it comes to the internet. Well, okay, so the thing about the internet with with that model that you speak of is that Originally and and even still true today. We don't think about it enough in this way It's it's not just Decentralized and that's a really important awesome nature of it, but it's also distributed. I can talk directly to you and That's something that of course those in power would prefer to you Is either a centralized model or a decentralized model at least where there, you know, there's a hierarchy of Control I think there's an untapped potential with the distributed nature Whereas if you think about the United States here, we're like a distributed nation where we've got 50 states and we can come and go as we please between all of these states and And it's it's one of the things that will maintain this government, you know You can take out Florida, but it's okay because we still have Actually, it was really really important in the 2000 election, so I don't know So there you go No, but I get I get the point that you're making and and It's it's it's the kind of thing that I feel like Estonia is unique And I don't think people understand just how unique it is because they just see Punny headlines that call it e-dash Stonia all the time and think oh, yeah, that's that quirky little former Soviet country, right? They live online. There's a quote in this Reuters article where they say yeah, pretty much anything south of Denmark We kind of feel like it's living in the Stone Age because they're not online They're not they've not to say they're not worried about privacy They have Confronted the issues of privacy and security for things like e-voting for things like, you know identification of Citizens and come up with solutions that at least the citizens of Estonia find to be perfectly satisfactory And so they do almost everything they have no paper documents of their laws for instance Hmm, which sounds crazy like but what if your server crashes? Well, what if the place where the paper laws are being stored catches on fire? It's it's the same thing you take precautions to back things up And not only are they backing things up already internally, but now they're looking at figuring out how to back up the whole country Like they're doing it right. Yeah, well, they also only have 1.3 million citizens So I imagine it makes it a little bit easier. They're talking about oh, yeah We could totally move all this offside to be like 20 or 40 terabytes sure like can't you just get like a hard drive? No, I guess that's four hard drives now, but you know, that's like that's four hard drives We're the state of those helium-filled. Yeah, 10 10 I think you got either helium-filled ones, but that's only so you can talk like Mickey Mouse, right? I Don't think you can get the helium out of it that easy Anyway, I want to mention before we move off this topic that I went down the rabbit hole with this and landed at this amazing article on Wikipedia that you could spend the rest of the afternoon on about decentralized autonomous organizations Seriously this article is like a thesis. It's amazing and it's kind of a fantastic idea about a Imagine a corporation or a government that is just defined by a strict set of rules kind of like But like Asimov's rules and then you as a citizen are just kind of like a worker to this completely Decentralized system that has no personal entity behind And they're kind of like a shareholder and it's a really fantastic idea So you're validated on the blockchain as a citizen. Yeah, I gotta know I like that way they know that you belong there Go check it out. It's total sci-fi awesome stuff In the dock anywhere. Yeah, I will absolutely do that put put the link I'm gonna put it line 26 and then that'll put it in the show notes for people as well Awesome. Hey our pick of the day a Man, did I not put the guy's name in here? See if you don't if you sometimes even if people sign their name The email program takes their name off, which is just dumb. Why do they do that? Anyway, I will find this person's name as I'm reading this I don't know if anybody else has mentioned the site plural site comm which is my pick of the day I think of this as Linda for programmers rather than creatives if you plan on spending more than a few years in IT training It's incredibly important on learning new technologies I found the course very in-depth and covering everything from server administration to game programming I try to spend at least 30 minutes a day working on a learning task So there you go. Check out plural site comm. Thanks you mark for sending that marks pick Oh, you know what about that? I actually it's funny just an hour ago got an email from Troy Hunt I am not sure if you're familiar with this security researcher He does he does have I've been pounded comm among many other things Yeah, I guess he just did a plural site where he used the pineapple and the USB rubber ducky so I didn't know that That's crazy. Look at that weird. I guess this is a thing now. I'm gonna get all over it So there you go mark your pick has just been vaunted even higher Yeah, and I looked around and the reviews of plural site are very good They're like basically you go to Linda for the courses Linda has go to plural site for the courses plural site Has there's a lot of these places and they have different angles on what kinds of courses they they offer So that that's really cool. You should check out Troy hunts course over there Send your picks to us folks feedback at daily tech news show comm you can find my picks at daily tech news show comm slash picks Real quickly a couple of emails here Mike wrote in and said hey you should talk about the great Google MVNO experiment project phi I have been using it for four months and love it It uses both Sprint and T-Mobile and Wi-Fi whenever possible basic services $30 a month But I'm averaging only $23 a month because my data usage usage is less than a gigabyte a month That's fantastic. Thank you for sending us the mini review Mike appreciate that Yeah, I was on the phone with somebody a few days ago who was actually using Google phi and it was only slightly annoying in that I had just emailed a document and so he's on speaker phone And I'm like I just emailed you the thing and he's like I can't pull it up. Ah, I must be on Sprint right now Think about your connection, right? It's like you're always roaming Interesting Richard wrote in and said as you were talking about the news story about Blackberry withdrawing its support in Pakistan I happen to think about the push that legislature legislators on the hill here in the US have been making to require some sort of Backdoor for encrypted communication systems for quite a long time and I might imagine still today High-ranking US government officials continued to use Blackberry phones rather than adopt iOS or Android for security reasons For a long time Blackberry offered the best security with their messaging platform I wonder if anyone's evaluated how many of those congressmen and women voting to circumvent messaging security Still use Blackberry or other secure communication devices themselves hmm Backdoor into Blackberry enterprise server because that's what made Blackberry leave Pakistan I'm sure it would feel very different if the shoe was on the other foot. Yeah, is this the statement? Yes, the Blackberry is in the other Blackberry What are those things that the Blackberry is going? When you collect them when you're picking back a basket Yeah, basket a brand the basket now, isn't it? Anyway, it's a basket basket case I just learned on court killers on Monday. I just learned the term basket basket That's when I'm gonna have to tune in. Yeah, I'm not familiar Find all of we always sure we talk about you know being able to watch what you want when you want on streaming devices We also talk about the Ascot basket Hmm Thank you Darren kitchen for joining us today. HAK 5.org folks lots going on over there There's an open house as you heard Darren say earlier today What's the details again on that and what else is going on? Sure the open house is this Saturday December 5th at 10 a.m. To 2 p.m. In Point Richmond, which is just north of Berkeley in the San Francisco Bay Area East Bay And we're doing a garage sale to benefit the EFF and we're gonna have a pop-up shop of the hack shop for the holidays And we're doing a little bit of indoor drone racing and stuff like that So, you know it's family-friendly come on out should be a lot of fun HAK 5.org slash open house and well you're at hack 5.org check out some the latest videos We've got some experts in the field of software defined radio come on Mike Osmond the developer of the hack RF Comes on to show us how to reverse engineer some protocols To bypass some quote-unquote smart safes. It's really fun. Oh Excellent hack 5.org ladies and gentlemen h a k 5.org Now this entire time while we've been talking Len Peralta has been hard at work with an illustration of today's show That appears to involve Lando Calrissian You know there was some this was a tough A Story to draw and illustrate, but there was something in the article in the discussion story which Tavi cutka the If I hope I'm pronouncing that correctly CEO can we're the chief information officer said it might up in a situation where we have a country in the cloud And the only thing I could think of was Bespin which was a city in the cloud So what's better than having a stonia turned into a country in the clouds? So here is Lando saying your data truly belongs with us among the cloud smoothie And there's low bot who is a robot of course and Princess Lea who's saying I've got a bad feeling about this But you know what it's I think it's a pretty cool idea, and I think Estonia is right up there to be the new Bespin so the new cloud city Hey, they may they may be the first country with a backup, you know, do we have one? Exactly I want to live in the clouds. They've made a deal to keep Russia out forever Or at least keep their data safe or Russia can nuke us, but our data So we'll never go away the IRS will be taxing us Anyway, folks, you got to see it check it out lemperalta store.com Where you can also purchase one for yourself put it right up there on your own Estonian loving wall Yes, and also I just want to mention over at my store. It's a great time right now at the online store lennpraltastore.com Doing some custom holiday cards for people if you want to get in on that Please do there are a lot of orders. So I'm a little bit backed up, but we'll work through them and there's also some great DT net stuff there as well including the force wakens poster the Instant art collection version one and two so the best from this year and last year as well So you can check that out great stocking stuffers for everybody this year Excellent. 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Just don't call it late for no, that's what we're calling it So that that's already been taken and so anybody else like no, you can't call it that Thunderfired cheetah aunt has four votes That's a good one do androids dream of electric porces E stony go too much into that one Google bites Uganda Ah Mission E impossible. I like mission E possible without the M actually. Yeah mission E possible. I like that Because like that And keep looking it's not bad. Oh, I'm gonna just write it in pencil. Cloud country is cool. Oh Yeah, I like had cloud country to nevek Cloud country You're in cloud country now Welcome to the cloud No, you can't get to the cloud from here Hmm, there's a bit is there a yellow brick road through the cloud If you get that you need to install he's on down the road. Hmm You can't get nothing to download Come on. He's on I didn't miss that last night. It was good Unlike the other two adventures that NBC is right this one was really good putting the e in Estonia, right? It's a longer way of saying Eastonia. I Like cloud country. I think that's good. How about I triple Eastonia? Sorry, I just made that one up. It's not it has nothing to do with doesn't but it made me laugh Ah man And I triple e-pun will always get me. Oh, you know what that reminds me my my EEPC or EEPC or whatever it was my EPC 701 the original netbook that'll be at the auction auction of the yard sale the garage sale Oh, it'll actually be on sale. That's yeah. Yeah, it's got a ninja turtle sticker on it and everything Nice runs backtrack three so great and You can use it to access Samsung's invoicing system you know, you can't because it doesn't have Internet Explorer. It could run Windows XP That's what I had on its 4 gigabyte SSD. Have I six on it? It had Windows XP. So yeah, I think I six isn't glad there. Yeah. Yeah, but no, I put Linux on it Oh, right, right. I see. Yeah. Yeah backtrack is a hacker distro No, you just said that But you could put whatever you want on it sure yeah, it's a free country. Well, it's reasonably priced I don't know what I look at my tax bill. It doesn't seem very free. Mm-hmm. Well Free as in speech Tom not free as in beer. Mm-hmm America is entirely free as in speech So Actually, I guess it is the US free as in beer. That's a good question. Huh, you know, I would love to see an open source Country using this decentralized autonomous organization model and then using a Using I'll get this I love this using a delayed tolerant networking system for a DTNF Haha There's another rabbit hole. I went down I'm gonna have to post this link on on IRC because you'll spend the next you'll spend the rest of the afternoon reading about disruption tolerant networking, which is fantastic because it's concept that like You know, you can't shut me down. My packets are getting through a corporation run without any human involvement I'm not I'm back to the the distributed Yeah, no, no, this thing is so under the control of an incorruptible set of business rules So it's a blockchain essentially But like through typically there's like a rule set like a program habitable open-source software distributed across the computers of the stakeholders Buying stock in the company are being paid in that stock Stock may entitle its owner to a share of the profits. Wow. Yeah. Yeah, and that ridiculously awesome I would love to be a citizen of this nation Because you you could actually imagine if you were born and they were like here are the list of nations Here's information about your geography and list information about their government Which would you like to be a citizen of when you turn 18 or whatever, right? Yeah, okay? It's time to choose your citizenship. Yeah, you get to do that would be amazing. Yeah, I'm like honestly I think you should wait you should wait until people are like 35 Because now I would have totally chosen the wrong country or at least let you change Oh, I see what you're saying because then you're just gonna go to the one with all the cute girls or something And that's how you end up at Radford University Yeah, and then when you join cute girl, yeah, you realize there aren't any actual women in the who would ever join that You're like it looks so amazing on the brochure No, but just the idea like are you not gonna read through the source code of this nation first and see if it's corrupt Yeah, I guess you could audit it's publicly audited you You know, I mean I guess in a way our system is completely Transparent and open-source and that you could read you could go to Cornell and start reading You might be there a while. I've actually always wondered why When it came to being 16 and we were given that book and we read the book and we went took the test And we got the card that said that we could drive Okay, that's cool when we turned 18. Why would we also not given a book saying welcome to being an adult citizen of the United States? Here's what to do and not to do and how Because that's not as important as driving I guess not. I mean, it's not as deadly. Well, but they're like just are you being a citizen? I don't know you do the wrong directly like I can run somebody over pretty directly. That's that's that's a more imminent threat Sure And then you're on a watch list and just like what no, I know but that's a less that's less imminent. That's all That doesn't mean you're wrong It's just the priority is like I think it just wouldn't fit in a pamphlet I mean, this is sadly a controversial statement I'm about to say but anything that you operate that could kill someone else you should at least prove you're responsible to operate it I'm reaching for a pen Tom You mean like a stove? Oh, you know what though? I wasn't given a pen until I showed that I could use the crayons without eating them. There you go Were you also pen is a less imminent threat than a car and Mightier than the sword So much mightier. That's why that's what the writer who was at the wrong end of the story So once you've been given permission to use a pen you should Buy bike transitive be allowed to use a sword Well, oh, it's like mightier. It's a hierarchy thing and so Like if I if I give you permission to use nunchucks you can now use size and a bow Yeah, the pen is mightier the sword. I am allowed to use this pen. Therefore. I'm allowed to have a sword Mm-hmm. Why is why is the lady justice not just blindly holding a pen and a sword? They should just update it why with the weights and all Because the weights are supposed to be a metaphor for the weights of justice a balanced scale Well, if you got to choose your nation you might also be able to choose your nation's mascots Yeah, but shouldn't your nation also get to choose you or not like to reject you or not Well, they do in China where there were forced abortions when it was all one child per person But that's been lifted You can now have two Although, you know, there were so many exemptions to that rule it was wasn't really all that I thought it was just a fine You had to pay so basically for the last 10 15 years if you and your spouse were both The children are single children of parents who were single children. You could have more than one child So it's like an unsaid thing now it's like on the books or if you're out in the You're out in the rural areas. You can have two kids or more now. They're thinking of dropping it all together, aren't they? Well, I thought they just did it. It doesn't matter. I mean when they looked at it the whole policy Probably really didn't have much enough much of the direct effect because So this is a really weird thing Mao was really big on big families and that's the whole reason why they had that huge Population boom around the 50s and 60s. They're everyone's like, oh, wait a minute There's way too many people coming down the pipeline and they're not not enough services and on the rest to kind of Absorb them. So they implemented the one child policy rule to backtrack on that But the thing is the birth rates at that time were already dipping. So they're already headed in the general direction There's a big argument whether or not the one child policy actually had any real effect Yeah, this is a classic Starcraft issue So we really don't have enough interest. We were inventing something before the show started. What was it? Delayed tolerant network good. No, the we'll fortune thing. Oh the emoji game. Yeah Yeah, I'm down. We should I said we'd revisit it after the show, but I don't remember why Mmm Is IRC doesn't support emoji as far as none of the clients I've seen at least so it'd be very difficult to do this as a Live show using IRC is which would be the best option So maybe someone in IRC knows a chat like alternative that does support the emoji Emoji the emoji Emoji Zaya is what name my first child. Oh Oh See I wonder now if you could name your child. Oh, no, somebody has been named an emoji. I saw palm tree bikini I saw that rainbow cloud. Also, it's more fun to try to explain them like The English words for the emoji fish flag is what I'm going to be naming. I Thought that was your your native American name. I thought those is that our was that your your spirit guide Uh, no, it's just it's just my name. You sure? Yeah Don't call me a really good spirit animal. I love fish flag. It's my favorite emoji. Hmm You guys don't know about fish flag. Yeah, and I know the one I know the one You know, there's a there's actually an open-source emoji Set that you can use a t2 t2 putting an emoji in chat right now. No, oh, what? Okay, thanks t2 t2. I stand corrected. I didn't know is that hex chat You can do anything. Oh Do you think they have different keyboards? Have you seen the emoji keyboard that Tom Scott did? Maybe they have those Not all of them are working All right, I'm gonna log off guys All right. Thanks, Len Bye See you later. Adios. I Am out of the post too. I think yes. I am we have successfully published a show You're wondering where Jenny is She said oh oops. What was that? I'm very sorry IRC. I really thought pasting that would have oh Well Yeah, you'll never see this people watching later don't copy and paste from emoji All the emojis descriptions are now an IRC hilariously at the same time emoji pd at org who know Can you read articles just an emoji? Yes, you can not really Oh Why is that never grounded properly You're grounded wire, I'll get to your room Dobby Remus. All right there. I tried to say it better once. Thanks everybody. Goodbye