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Yeah All right, here we go Coming to you from word camp Dayton in the great state of Ohio It's the get options podcast with your hosts Adam Silver and Kyle Maurer and some other people too This is the show where your WordPress questions are given some serious and not so serious options And here they are why hello and welcome to episode 88 of the function get options podcast the irreverent fun advice show about your life with WordPress I'm Adam Silver with my buddy my book co-patriot my my friend Kyle Maurer say hi Kyle. Hi Kyle and hi Adam. How are you today? Yeah, so hello? We're captain Yeah, awesome. We're so excited to be here. We are this is second time. We've ever done a live show is it? Yeah, that's the true fact right where was the first and the many a time that we've ever been to Dayton Every week is live technically. Yeah Except the dead shows to be right in life, but it's the second live show in front of a live studio audience Anyway, that's boring backstory But day in is a cool place. Am I right? It is amazing. We have so many cool memories in this fun town Do we this is like a place of much wordpress and much? What are your favorite memories? I? Have one you don't like Meeting you well, there's not on the list not on the list. No All of the word camp talks that I've given here have been a lot of fun Mm-hmm. Although not a single one has ever made it online No, no guilt or anything no pressure Yeah, how many so have you been to all five Dayton? Actually, I missed one it conflicted with pressonomics one year and I'm really sad about that This is my third. I think it's my third. How many people have been to all five? One Daniel and Dustin, of course. Well make sense. I've been to three I Met you at my first one. Mm-hmm. That's one of my fondest fondest memories. It was not a very meaningful encounter actually Wow Wow But I was a subscriber of your podcast right and you introduce yourself like hey, I'm a super fan Oh, yeah, you know, what are you doing here all the way from California, right? So day in, Ohio So besides what else anything else new wise I? Have been learning a lot about Dayton recently. Oh, what do you what do you know? I mean, I Wanted to learn more about this special town. It's pretty do tell interesting place. Nice Did you know that there's a nice library here? I did I found that out and it's It was The place of the battle of Dayton, which is the the most monumental battle in the history of American Really? Yeah, just actually and that is fascinating. It was named after Julius Dayton Architect, okay. He made buildings made of bricks. Oh, wow, like all those ones that you see out there Yeah, that was that was his work is the birthplace of Shirley Temple and Dolly Parton and Fran Tarkent in Wow and Albus Dumbledore and Bruce Lee A lot of people forget about some of these people, but they in is a special place with a lot of amazing history That is a ask me about it later if you want to know more I got yeah I did not know any of that really Bruce Lee. I yeah, wow That I didn't know that either. I didn't know that either. That is shocking. That is that is I mean how many people here knew that? Yeah, no nobody else knew that you see you guys don't even know your own tense history. Wow. Anyway, what else is going on with you, buddy? Um, well, I mean, I'm here. This is I mean on a side note This is this day is the fifth anniversary of my other podcast kitchen sink WP No kidding. No kidding and I want to give credit where credit is due to myself. Yes I mean every week I've done the show for five. No, actually, I want to give credit to um to Dustin Actually, Dustin is the one who pressured me into launching my own podcast Five actually like five and a half years ago seven years ago Seven years ago, I mean I can edit that out That's so funny because Dustin it was important to the foundation of our first show as well Like we had started the roundtable show which I talked about this morning, right? Which was five years ago in a few weeks and Dustin was like the second guest we ever had on our show He was my first and we had only done like four or five episodes, right? Yeah, so when you make contact with Dustin You make you know strides in life Or snow tomorrow So, okay. Yeah, that's but that's all I really got the five years two hundred and sixty two episodes of my other show This is episode 88. We'll get there. We'll get there. We'll get there. Nice. So all right Did you want to ask anything else regarding on that little note there? We're not so much. We'll just move on Let's move on I need a personal button Alright, alright, that's the news the news what is in the news Adam So Amy Tracy and Angela that's Amy Massen Tracy apps and Angela bowman correct Look at that. I didn't have the last names written down. Yeah, they started a new podcast because they know Dustin They started a women in WP so Pretty cool. Have you listened to it? I did they've released one episode now It's on iTunes stitchers Spotify the whole works. They've got a video recording on women in WP calm where you can check it out but they're talking about just The issues and that women care about and everything that women are doing that's interesting in the WordPress space So women in WP check it out. Yeah, very cool. So all right just released this week. Yeah, that's right We've got one change this week Sandhills development One of the greatest companies in the industry. Why do you say that Kyle? Why is it such a great company? What do you know about this company? I just I know a lot about great because they're from Dayton. Oh, actually Oh, where are they from presidents and days and dating surprisingly, but they're just a great company And how they do great things make great great great products employ great people full disclosure Kyle works for them Yeah, that's that's true, too But we hired Spencer finnell and he's an amazing developer formerly of astoundify made some great themes made some great plugins It's been in the space for a long time. So there's some changes Okay, right on anyone else have a new job this last week that we don't know about anyone out there anyone anyone lose a job I hope not. We'll check back in at the end of the show. Yeah Or if you're hiring let us know we'll share it on the show. All right. All right So you start this because I need to get something out of the bag, okay, I Am wearing my jilt socks Actually, how about you? Oh, I also I have jilt socks. Yeah Jilt jilt great email recovery and email marketing service and they are jilt calm not a sponsor But they're great. They're awesome. We love them We use them. Yeah, and they make great socks and socks are the thing I'm also working wearing a fleece from word camp in arbor a whatever year. I don't know 2015 probably I Am also wearing Wow, hey What's this? Oh wow a get options t-shirt Wow Impressive and I've got one new for you buddy Surprise Next year I'll have one of our faces on it check it out. Isn't that cool? We have t-shirts now. We have t-shirts very cool I'm reading book five of Harry Potter the order of the Phoenix and the reason that's slightly funny for those who don't know It's we don't need the back story. We don't it's not it takes Kyle a very long time to read very basic books It's an exaggeration, you know, it's I'm gonna just you've never read it So you don't even know I've seen the movies Just saying no one asked But I'm also drinking a chai latte table 33. It's delicious. Oh, okay. How about yourself? So what am I so I'm wearing a um coat as poetry shirt because code is poetry. It's a wordpress I am drinking water, which is on the floor, but I'm also drinking. It's a library Lot of times when we record this show, you know on the weekend We drink coffee sometimes we drink beer because it's late afternoon It's rare, but I wish we could do that more often But because it's library I went ahead and I was told not to bring beer to the library So I brought something extra for myself. So excuse me one second. Oh my goodness Mmm, it's a little burn iced tea. Yeah, it's iced tea. It's iced tea. Okay It's in a flask that my 18-year-old daughter gave me. Yeah, what someone gave it to her when she was 14 There's a conversation to be had there. Yeah, I think so I think so it's awkward and I am reading an audio book actually called driven to distraction, okay, it's about ADD and ADHD so I'm reading a book called driven to distraction. So nobody no no didn't work. It's all right Squirrel, okay. So it's actually really good. It's a cool book. Yeah, that's what I'm reading unlike that joke Wow, but before we continue there's I mean I wanted to ask you something. Okay, what regarding what you're reading We actually got some listener feedback Really? Yeah, and I just want to share this real quick listener feedback regarding your last week's comments on Reading things. So I just need to make this a little bigger so I can see this one So this was sent in by Scott delusio. He said I just listened to the last get options episode where you mentioned Harry Potter Mm-hmm. I had my son listen to it on the way to school today And it totally made his day that we mentioned him. Oh, right because two weeks ago. You're mentioning book for right right? Adam is the his name is Adam as well. He's like nine years old He's already ahead in the series than Kyle is So it made his day that he heard his name on our show Which then leads me to the next comment then? Scott's daughter who was six years old chimes in from the backseat and says maybe Kyle should read little house in the prairie like me It's probably easy enough for him to read Okay, so there you go. I see how it is. You enjoy this so much I've been waiting all day to get that one out right all day So yeah, if you're looking when you're doing the series, yeah, there's little thank you. Thank you Yeah, I don't know the daughter's name. So thank you to Adam's little Hey, hey Kyle guess what time it is. I don't know. I Don't know. Can you tell me? I can yeah, it's questions time There we go That's right, it's questions time you sent them in we read them we researched them and now it's time Are you ready? Are you guys ready? questions So this episode is slightly different since we're in a live audience. We're gonna have guests come up We've preset two guests To ask answer a question give options to a question as well as play a segment We have some games on the show as well. So the first person to come up will be Alex Alex come to the stage Please come on. Come on get on down here. Help us out We need your professional help we do I'm going to oh, so actually we're not so good at this one Alex and I are gonna give some options Not all the options are good. Just know that now. Okay, this question comes to us from an anonymous listener actually, I'm curious what they're thinking but The question is is it selfish to be self-employed? Oh, what do you think about this man? Well option option one is that it's it's not nearly as selfish being a self unemployed Decide I'm never gonna be employed. I'm never gonna work. I'm never gonna do anything I just want to work on myself for the rest of my time and that's that's more selfish Little better a little better. You're right. I have an option the answer is yes It is it is completely completely selfish. I know this because I've been told this many a time by people in my house Why do you work every day all day all the time? Why are you so selfish? I mean, it's just I mean, I don't know. I think they're talking to me But they are teenagers so I don't know how to take it. I don't know. I don't think I agree Okay, I don't look at ourselves. I think especially in the context of WP freelancing. It's a life of service and servitude and suffering Helping others achieve their dreams as you scrape by making no money Yeah, nothing could be less selfish Nothing That's fascinating. This entire show is a wordpress freelancer The weirdest thing from my perspective is the fact that we're in person versus on Skype So this is freaking me out. I know we'll get over it. You look you're much taller in person than you do a look on video You guys have any other options or this listener I also thought it was worth mentioning that I felt a little attacked by the question It's not so much that I'm selfish for being self-employed It's selfish because I have a came in islands holding company that takes all the money And that's maybe a little more selfish Let's so who do you use for that kind of account? Oh And do you accept Bitcoin from yourself? Yeah, I mean It's an interesting question and I consider this question a lot and deeply but I didn't write my answer down So no, I mean It's interesting because I am self-employed as you are and you're not yeah, I'm recovering self-employed Really yeah, okay. Yeah, I just feel like it's tough I mean, I have a high school senior going to college and the fact that I can't afford any of that for her at the moment sucks for her I'm okay with my life. So I have two other boys. I'm saving for them. So no, I'm kidding Another option is not to be self-employed That's a great option. Why do you say that but don't you mr. Clients? No not for a second Not one moment of my life is wasted Reminiscing about the days of serving clients, huh, but but now you have customers. You serve them. I do yeah Are they not clients and this just in a different in a sense clients and customers They only difference is a few letters a different ball game, and it's a totally different ball game Being employed is a relatively new one right like if you go back to a few hundred years ago The employment percentage was zero because just like we didn't have jobs Everyone had to kind of make their own way and it's like so it's pretty easy to like sit Oh Alice likes to sit on the couch, and then he doesn't want to code until midnight. Oh, man That's pretty selfish of him, and yeah, that's probably true, but also wait wait wait You don't like to code till midnight the reason this is a problem is because Alex works for me a little bit This explains a lot. Okay, I think I'm gonna find out about becoming new lease more Kitchen sink I mean concierge WP is hiring a new developer. Yes, all right funny. All right So anything else on that you want to add? I think that there are elements of this which resonate with me Okay, honestly, you know like I I do recollect I was self-employed for five or six years, right? and it was after a couple years that things started to get difficult and I started to get this inkling of an idea that maybe this really wasn't the right course for me But there were Reasons I told myself. No, I I've got to stick it out, and I think those were the wrong reasons I think there was some selfishness and some pride in my stubbornness Over not considering other options. I had this idea that like the idea of having a boss like I don't have a boss and I don't want to have a boss and I was very prideful over that and the thought of like leaving self-employment to work for someone else just didn't appeal to me, but I Had to eventually get over that and it took a few years, right? I mean we talked about this before because we knew the question a little bit a couple days ago and I will honestly tell you that I used to be very selfish Seven eight nine years ago because I've had a few iterations of my own companies for the past 20, but about Seven seven years ago. It wasn't a good place I was stubborn and I wanted to hold on to that thing for way too long Which honestly almost cost a marriage to be truthfully and honest and she doesn't listen to the show so Yeah, you know, it's a problem and I've more aware of it now. I'm cognizant of it I joke about the whole college thing, but I'm also realistic. So I'm not it's not below me by any stretch to Accept opportunities when they present themselves any which way, you know if that means I shut down again for a short time I do it's not forever. It's for now It's important to do things for the right reasons, right? I think at the end of the day, right? Yeah, I think that's what really determines whether or not you need to see it as selfish to be self-employed if you're being self-employed because you demand to have some Extra amount of flexibility that you only have to work two hours a day or something like that Yeah, that's absolutely selfish But if you're self-employed because you feel like that's the best way that you can serve the people to serve and the best way that you Can, you know make the impact that you want to make the impact on which I think there's a lot of people out there I count myself in that they're like if that's the best way That's the best way it would be it would be selfish to lose that opportunity I hear you Right, okay input. All right. All right. So we also have a segment to play now. You guys want to play a game. We'll play a game Let's play a game. Okay. Okay, so This case this game is called unordered list. Oh, sorry, dang my Dustin's Order It's like my first ever podcast all of a sudden I'm like, oh, yeah, there's a bumper Oh, yeah, I'm sorry This is a little game we play where a contestant gets 30 seconds To list as many items in a category that they're presented with on the spot as they can we keep score We see who wins it's all fun and games Okay, so I'm going to start by asking No, Kyle's gonna ask Alex Alex doesn't ask me I'm gonna ask Kyle All right, so Alex are you ready to play unordered lists? We have music to go with this Okay, okay Alex in 30 seconds name as many JavaScript libraries and frameworks as you can go I Think wow good job eight. That's a pretty good number. Good job. Alex. Nice Alex. All right. Who's next Alex? You're gonna hit me Adam. Oh shoot, but see I always start the timer way late All right I'm so nervous California, Colorado, Illinois, Texas New Brassica, Mississippi, I'm thinking one of our states New Mexico, Nevada, Colorado, Maine, Michigan Nevada, I think I said that one Tennessee All right, all right No, we don't need them. We believe it's four. That was me. You didn't even mention Let us loser. All right. Okay, Maurer. All right, I'm ready for this one. Give it give me an easy one This is an easy one for you. Okay. Thank you. It's like a Harry Potter one I'm just kidding. All right. Thank you. All right. Here we go. Mr. Maurer in 30 seconds or less name as many Michigan sports teams ready Go Spartans the Wolverines go blue the Lions the Tigers the red wings the lug nuts Let's see One of the most central the chips Chippewa's The so happy I lost. I'm happy. Yeah, you lot forgot one Pistons We got oh, there's a tie. Oh Shoot, we never had a tie before and then we're gonna end it with that All right Well, that is it for you. So thank you. Let's give it a hand for Alex That's awesome. All right We're gonna keep things moving along and I want you guys who listeners out there to keep in your mind that we're gonna Have a little bit time for audience Q&A at the end soon Right, so think of some good head scratching questions to just stump us, but up coming up next we have another special guest We do we want to welcome to the stage Dustin Hartzler All right, this time I'm gonna read a question that Kyle and Dustin will answer here's the question if is anyone doing reoccurring payments Subscriptions memberships like maintenance packages using WooCommerce with stripe What WooCommerce extensions are you using for the reoccurring functionality? That's asked by Alastair McDermott? He's out in the I think is an Ireland. Oh, yeah. Yeah, so no one is doing this. Literally. No one is doing this No one's using WooCommerce. That's the answer. What's next? Oh, deleteable. Okay Yeah, it's like Like PayPal the better isn't it owned by PayPal. No, I know I'm teasing But just you know Venmo is owned by PayPal. Yeah, so so how do you what are some options for I guess for people? doing reoccurring functionality with Recurring payments. What would you recommend Mr. Hartzler? Yeah So literally what the question asked What extensions for WooCommerce what extensions would you use for WooCommerce? Starting now five years later So yeah, so I'm a happiness engineer on WooCommerce and we have this question We haven't had this exact question. So that's why it threw me a little bit I've never had somebody who wants to do maintenance packages with a reoccurring subscription but the purpose of WooCommerce and the purpose of Using some sort of online platform with Stripe and reoccurring the cool part about that is like they can set it up And then they automatically get paid all the time whenever they set up that all the time Every hour you can get paid with WooCommerce. Is that ethical? It's great. I don't know. Okay. I think you have to ask the question But anyways with WooCommerce the basic functionality there what Stripe is kind of built in there's a plug-in that you can use They can be installed while you're installing WooCommerce and then you would need the subscription plug-in and the membership plug-in Those we get the basic functionality pieces another piece that I thought about as I was kind of Contemplating this question is there's we have a plug-in called a product add-ons and so that would give ability if people wanted to like actually specify things as part of the The checkout process. So maybe they say like oh, I want to I want to get this many backups per month Or I want to save this, you know, maybe it's a they're selecting a membership package But maybe they want you know 10 the most 10 recent backups stored to the cloud and then they're deleted or maybe you want to Send their username and password through clear text and then they get hacked whatever like you can do that with a product Wait So Kyle are you a big fan? Are you a huge fan also of WooCommerce? Oh so much the mascot is really charming What is there a mascot still? canvas theme deprecated yeah, yeah So what would you go special? I would say you want to go you want to dance Let's Let's talk shall we the subscriptions add-on for WooCommerce is the way to go made by prospress. That's a great team and a Extremely popular plug-in. So people are doing this stuff left and right but my added commentary is the fact that I've been doing a little research on our market and surveying our users and I represent an e-commerce plug-in that isn't WooCommerce actually, but we have surveyed our audience extensively and one of my interesting findings has been that the Market of people selling services online is growing rapidly At least in our user base. I don't know if it's it's the case with WooCommerce or other platforms But in our user base in a two-year span People selling services with our plug-in went from less than 2% of our audience to greater than 10% So it was like an obscure edge case that we didn't pay attention to People have already they're already using easy digital downloads to sell digital things correct, but you never it went from 2% to 10% of Like subscription reoccurring services, right? Yeah people selling not a product, but a service instead It was a small part of our user base now It's getting becoming a big part of our user base and we can't ignore it anymore. Sure any idea. Why? Have you asked all these people are now self-employed? Fair enough it was a softball people's a softball Selling services is interesting and I think we've introduced more plugins that have made that possible So it's become more viable than it ever was before due to some of the complex extensions which now exist and And there's a lot of businesses which have pioneered it and led by example Moving towards a like a subscription online model for selling their maintenance packages. That's not particularly uncommon anymore I think like in the past, you know, say five years ago eight years ago Whatever you could set up one stripe or authorized on net you could set up the reoccurring payments But that's like a side piece of your business because it wasn't built into WordPress, right now We're you know, if you're in the WordPress space, you're giving WordPress consulting here. You're doing work Maintenance maintenance plans and what I mean I have that in WordPress like let's use the tool. Yeah, you know, but doesn't add when what's the theory here? I mean, I already have this. I have maintenance packages. I use stripe or fresh books with stripe So I guess I guess it would take that piece of the equation out I wouldn't have to tie into that. Well, it would automate everything so that you're not sending manually sending any invoices You know, like someone comes to your Store your site right and clicks a buy button and signs up Right and they have everything right that they need and automatically continue paying. Okay. What are you looking at? It's this is all questions that we have answered in our first year of doing the podcast and like little fine print Yeah services is an interesting new Segment I think and it and I put that I kind of argue that it is a little bit underserved and growing So if you're looking for like, you know, this is the audience which is like Kind of using tools not made for them for their purposes. Anyways, they're people selling their services of a variety of kinds Their consultations their design work. They're ongoing retainer work Just selling a service using tools designed to sell products so they're bending tools not made for them to make them fit and This this is a market that isn't particularly well served right now But I will I will give people who are out there who who currently in the audience sells maintenance has maintenance back at recurring So we have a half a dozen maybe maybe 10 Do you have the question for the audience is Do you let people automatically sign up and start payment from a website? You know and for no, you don't you why not? Well, the question would be how do you have that process worked out? Okay, right or he just waves and why he's like Okay, and the reason I asked this question is because back in the day when I started concierge For with maintenance, I let people sign up make the payment and get things going right from the get-go Yeah problem with that is I'm now liable. I have their money They've signed up their site already might be hacked might have malware. They might be on really bad hosting And now they're expecting me to clean it for a hundred bucks Right, which could take me hours in theory. So now I've changed my Set up to where they apply for us to do maintenance for them I can review their application if you will and then I can say yes or no So that way I don't have your money If you're on really bad hosting three dollars a month or buck 95 whatever maybe I can then turn it down And it definitely I've definitely lost business this way, but I've also not had any headaches this way Well, that's why selling services is complicated. It is that's why it's been a Market slow to come into online automated selling like it's easier when we build the sites I mean, it's a post-production. I'm sorry. We build sites and then they turn them by its nature Like you're selling services. These these are the things that are like maybe custom produced After the transaction So there are deliverables that come later on payments might be coming in stages that makes the transaction a little more complicated There may be necessary like project management features or like some automated system for demonstrating the status There there might be agreements and contracts necessary in that initial transaction Which plugins do exist that are helping solve this problem So that you can like introduce us like a signature step in the process of your of your Checkout workflow or And like meetings and consultations So like you need a book an appointment as a part of this purchase and that Opens up the whole calendar issue. When are you available? And so on and then maybe files need to be exchanged initially and then later for the project to be possible So like selling services is fundamentally just more complicated than transaction file. Their Product is delivered, right? Yeah, it makes sense. Okay. It is tricky, but it's a I think it's a growing market and I think people should look at it Right Let's edit that out and post I can be bribed so now moving on to The segment for this one. Let's play another game. Shall we we should It's time for Deletable history Hey, you know it all can't be gems. All right, so you want to explain this one Dustin No, no, do you want to explain how with it how it is how to play? It's not really a game so much as it's just Yeah, go ahead. Dustin. I've been a guest on this show several times and I've hijacked both of their seats before So, um, I kind of know how this thing works. Yeah. Yeah, so tell us so deleteable history This is the segment of something of ours that is online somewhere We wish was deleted. It never made the light of day. I never made it online. Uh, we cringe It's the dirty laundry of our past. It's a dirty laundry of our if our creative endeavors It's not good. You call them creative, right? So I first I think I think Dustin is first. Please. I hope so Let's pick apart an early Website project shall we the Dustin created? Oh, yes Look at that. Nice one of Dustin's first websites one of my first resume websites. It may be hard to see It's beautiful though. I'm wearing a tie. It's the first Thing that I see but this was a this is one of the website done back in Let's see. It would have been 2007 probably created with I'm not gonna say front page but dream weaver dream weaver. Yeah, right. Yeah, because the buttons are images Like the menu of their rollovers about me Portfolio resume all that kind of stuff. Those were images Multi-image so you rolled over them and they changed color. There was a little something beside them I have my contact information on the web mail me at 2249 In my email address from university my phone number My old cell number is it social security on there? Mother's maiden name And it's got my it's got my resume down the left hand side here. We see I was in the office of residence life I was an apartment manager. I was very proud of that. I was the student Student senate. You were a webmaster. I was a webmaster back when that was an applicable title That's gone out of fashion. It's coming back. It's coming back. Oh, yeah, for real The best part is I have that that line at the top. Thank you for visiting my session Thank you for visiting Thank you all for visiting this Session is the under construction Like the man didn't have a hit counter on the bottom. It might happen. That's awesome. All right, so we will do So now you've seen it delete it from your history Delete it from your minds. You do not saw you do not ever saw this. What do we have next? Who's next? This is it me? Oh, no. It's a production So you want to go to the very beginning or should I explain it? Whoops How do you make it play? Hey, I don't know. There we go. Okay. So this is a commercial spot I used to be in video production used to be is obvious now and um, so a 30 second spot Is this a familiar site need reliable transportation? Are you searching for a solution? I wish we had a dependable car. Well wishes come true At sprinkler great selection and unbeatable prices. We're boulder county's oldest used car lot We're family owned and family friendly. I wish came true at sprinkler used cars Thanks sprinkler sprinkler used cars one zero one one south main street That's painful. That's great, but it was on tv. I was paid a lot of money for that And yeah, that was uh, that was me my voice my old assistant So what's wrong with it? Oh nothing's wrong with it. Um, so many things were wrong with this So many things. Yeah, we did a couple variations of it and that they actually loved this commercial the the clients I could never watch this is the first time I've well now I've seen it last night and then today And I shot that we so like you were editing it in post and putting in the smoke Oh, yeah, the car and the little and the genie that was after after adobe after effects Wow, we shot it. That was her car on the side of the road It's my old talent more than I give you credit for my old assistant true story. My old assistant's name was um, uh, Montana hanky Her name was montana hanky. So her middle name was hannah. So her montana hannah hanky. It's crazy. So my kids loved her She was a great assistant But couldn't act her way out of a you know out of a jar. No, it's okay But yeah, they the client liked it. We pitched it. We did the storyboards. Um made some money and there it is It's amazing. It's amazing. I don't delete it. It's painful to see that and to hear that so you should put like If dustin builds you a resume site, you should put this on it First page. Yeah, yeah, all right. What do you got mower? All right. Oh, it's so bad to see that. It's great It's great. Okay. So I found an old blog post. Oh, yeah of mine from 2012 Yeah, so it's a little old. I used to blog back back then He was eight. Yeah European delinque you were nine. Okay. So this is a month on my blog and so my favorite one can Read the long thing But the gist is I thought I was so witty and snarky And I had some attitude about like people on social media They're always posting these like stupid pictures about the things that they support And they're just all these uninformed people Sharing their opinions in this confrontational manner. And so I was like I'm gonna make fun of them and I'm gonna make my own little Little memes if you will a little pictures to share on social media and I'm gonna like share a whole bunch of these See this isn't really deleteable. I think you should put these out This will be on my on my new eddy. My new who commerce Store for t-shirts. Yeah, I thought I was so witty I'm totally making shirts out of this. We're selling these Digital downloads product catalog This person supports luke skywalker. Yeah Hit share Clearly the nap one is me. I I'm a huge who likes naps. I love that. Why did I make so many of these? How many are there? I don't know. I don't remember actually I didn't scroll all the way down So real quick. So this is 2012. So how old were you like? Did you not have a job? I don't I don't I probably did. This was probably at my job. I had a lot of downtime That's awesome. Oh dang, there's a lot Uh, yeah, fine. There's an end to that. There's an end to the madness. All right. Okay. All right. Oh man Yeah, I know. Thank you. Is that from adobe cooler color wheel? Yeah, I don't know anything else. No, so I think that's it for the for you. Dustin. What? Oh, no, no, uh, Dustin can I mean if you if you want to stick around and help us answer audience q&a that us We've got we've got a little bit of time before We're gonna welcome steve back up for a second talk of the day and you guys should look forward to that Real quick. Where is that photo from? I don't know. It was one of the word camps. It was probably in ohio. Okay. That might be deletable I mean your haircut is deletable Rude rude. All right. So we have some time Wanted to ask a question from the audience. I think guy had one I'm putting him on the spot. Yeah, no, I don't no, I don't Anyone have a question for us that we can give you an option for While we're thinking Anyone have a question for us? Yeah, like a real head scratcher a stumper Anyone anyone at all? Let's puzzling you these days miss bishop. What have you been reading about that's confusing you? Oh, I saw you there. Yes in the back in the back That probably yeah, oh, sure. Sure. Sure. That's the question is Creating a plug in a block for Gutenberg. Correct. Yeah, how should it be distributed? Right, if it's only a single block, is it worth it just packaging that as an entire plug in and Distributing it that way. I would say that depends on the nature of the block But probably yeah, no, so I would go a different way all together. I would actually put that on a um Probably like a little thumb drive and mail those out. Oh, you could do that. You could do that too Yeah, that's an option Compact discs, maybe that way you don't you don't need to fill up the repository with your code Just mail to people And my thought is is it really worth it? Should we really just release one block like all of these have at least 10 so keep developing Come back to come back when you have nine nine more Yeah, keep trying But thank you for the question. No, I would probably release it as a plugin. Yeah, why not? I mean you can think a little bit about what the future could be Like what if this becomes popular and what if I really Decide I want to invest more in it and I really enjoy it and I get tons of tickets and people are asking Can you add this feature in that feature? I think about what it could turn into and then be mindful of that when you give it a name and um, then just just imagine like what if someday there was like a Pro version needed like how would that sound? I don't know think about all that. Well, it's a pro version You might need a zip drive. Yeah, I don't know CD roms all the way I probably would there's no reason I mean there are plugins on the Directory that um after the plugin header have no more than a single line of code And they are useful People download them because they solve a problem like better a five Better five has a lot more lines of code than that better a five by the way is it makes every WordPress website better Check it out. It's on the repo. It's a brilliant plugin Sure Yeah, anyway The size of the plugin doesn't matter number of blacks doesn't matter if it solves problems for people and helps them It just makes the description clear and ship it. Yeah I think the other interesting piece on it is like you could put it on github You could put it on your blog like so people could start to use it But then you could but also like the whole Education piece of going through putting something on a repository if you've never done that That's a good learning experience too And then when then you have to support it for the next version of wordpress You know, then they'll email you and then you have to relearn it all again because you have one plugin on the repository and then You know, like it's it's it's giving back to the community. It makes it more visible to like people can see it All right, awesome. Thanks for the question anyone else for the question. Yes, mr. Tofer Oh, what the schedule. Wow. Thank you. Tofer that is like so Wow, that's light and sweet. It really is like and you said he wasn't very cool Hey There's a boss between us and there comes Kyle our schedule is we come out every week When when the show comes out, it's on wednesdays. We try to record weekly It's sometimes difficult with some travel and more difficult when you have a young toddler At home sometimes for scheduling, but um, we're fairly consistent on wednesdays at five no at 6 a.m Eastern Is that important? Yeah, it is. Hey, you want to know the schedule? There you go. Okay Was that the question like when the episodes come out? Or something further like further live shows are currently unscheduled. I guess Come out every week. Just let me know and I'll Yeah Dustin's been her substitute co-hosts. Yeah a number of occasions anyone else Yes, mr. Lewis I would first consider this 14 year old daughter to check out jumlah And leave me the heck alone. I don't I've heard good things about expression engine There's also cold fusion. Yeah Um, wow, that's one heck of a question. How much time do we actually have? Oh time's up I think that there are restrictions for like shipping butterbeer. Actually. Yes, I would look into the regulations about that first and foremost Yeah, make sure that your state approves of said Yeah, local pick up only that's no drop shipping. Yeah, that's um, if you want to send that question in we'll make fun of it again next week Usually our answers are very well researched. I think that was very well, uh, Had a lot of buzzwords in it. Uh, if you're playing the word press bingo, like you got Gutenberg You got it right right This side of the room is pretty quiet, which we like any other questions Anyone else stan any questions? Okay. Oh, thank you stan. Yes, brian Oh, you can download that from our woop commerce store. Yeah, shut up You can buy the graphic as a digital download as an iron-on um, I I picked these up on the way here and I haven't gotten invoiced from my vendor so I don't know how much they cost yet Hopefully it's not that much How does that work? Oh, uh from me Talk to me I figured I like I said if there's demand if people like actually like this because it's got all these like questions on it From their show like, uh, I'll make more nice. Yeah, okay. I'm impressed and that takes a lot right um It's just a nice like athletic material. I don't know. I thought it would be a fun choice I thought you would like it. I yeah, I like it a lot. Do you I do do you're are you really being honest? I am okay All right, I saw another hand raised over there Yes, ma'am. Oh, yes Since we have a woop commerce happiness engineer Dustin absolutely. I'll repeat the question For the recording to make sure that everybody hears that but the big thing the question was in a nutshell like kind of wrapped around is They're using flat rate shipping right now for specific items And it's multiplied by the number of items that are in the cart So if they have two or three or four different product types when somebody buys two or three of those things They're getting multiple like so they're paying shipping for two three four things in a row which In theory makes a lot of sense like if you are a store owner like you're making money on your shipping like you're But that's not that's not going to help you sell things Because somebody's going to check out and they're going to see 42 dollars to ship from You know across the city like they're not going to buy The we have a module at woop commerce. It's called table rate shipping and it is like the the standard Flat rate shipping, but it's a little bit more advanced and so you can programmably say like if one or two are You know if for shirts one and two it's going to be this price for shirts three four five and six It's you know this flat fee plus one dollar per item You can set a flat rate max of Ten dollars for shipping is going to be the max You can bundle things together so you can say if you have one of these and one of these like you can kind of merge it all together So the built-in the built-in flat rate isn't very robust when it comes to wool commerce So an extension is really needed To really dial that in the I guess the really only other option is to Just charge less for shipping and you kind you have to kind of realize when you're doing an e-commerce store Shipping is hard like it is really hard. Especially if you're coming up with the you know what cost is like you're in your case It's really hard Even if you are using like the usps or fedex and you're getting live rates in from an api Like to get the products packed in the exact same box with the exact same weights and dimensions that wool commerce is putting in It's hard like it's It's just it's a difficult thing. So we want to We always recommend like some orders you are going to lose them a little money in shipping And some orders are going to make a little money But in the general scheme of things like it's going to add up to very close to you know Some orders you'll you know, you might you might pay two dollars more than they actually paid you But then other orders you'll pay two dollars less than they actually paid you But table rate shipping is going to be the best plug-in that's going to be able to let you dial in those costs a little bit better Yeah Cool. Thanks. I'm so glad we had you here. Dustin. I know right What worth the money I spent to get here Eleven dollars and twenty cents I had points on southwest that's all So, uh, anyone want to take one more? I think we could afford to take one more. Oh, that's the one more in the back Off of what was the last part ramp the crowd favorite plug-in Oh We would send them to you Because we're idiots All right, so the question is If you have a client and they're running Say it one more time Because I'm so confused still Okay, right. It's actually it's a good question and fairly straightforward How do you, um, approach the question of getting your Clients to migrate to or like eventually adopt Goonberg, right? 5.1 etc Right, okay. Okay. I think it's straightforward and I feel I feel good about this one. I don't Okay Um, I wouldn't I would say stick with classic. I'm kidding. Like that's Done All right, turn you guys off. That's one option. It's one option It's still supportive for another two years. We're good. I know I know but okay The ending support for that is not really going to be the impetus for all sites adopting the modern editor Sure, so I would approach it this way dear clients. We need to fix your site. It's $5,000 to fix it starting point one well Yeah, that's that's your style. Yeah, you gotta make a living right. I mean I need to make money. You have a day job with marketing It's true. Um, I think I would give an example Where like what's what's gonna happen Is uh, you're you're going to want to go to the new editor. It's only a matter of time Right, you will be coming back and asking for this and eventually begging for it Like It's I don't see that happening that part happening. No, I don't see clients. They please let us have this No, it will happen. Okay. It will happen. Then I'm wrong. Think about this I've got a computer in my basement. Okay from like 18 years ago. It turns on It works. Okay. All the things that it was designed to do When it was relevant Still work work. Perfect. It does all those things Okay, what it doesn't do is all the things that became useful and standard and relevant after As of now nothing new Is getting developed for the classic editor So starting now and in the future new things that we're not doing or using now are going to be Introduced and you're going to want them and you won't be able to use them With the classic editor. What about classic press the fork? Yeah, that's not don't try and derail this. Okay, that's completely off topic and irrelevant The point is this is going to happen like with every every month that goes by and every year They're going to be more interesting things developed and introduced more new technologies more new requests coming in And those are going to be built for the future And that is this modern block-based editor and it sounds as if when this happens that you are Predictions for you is you are going to have clients again to talk to about this. No No, see you're taking this in weird directions. It's unnecessary. It's my job. Yeah It's my job. No, this is not just like just some Prediction like this is this is just what will happen Eventually you will see things and you will want them and you will not be able to have them Because it's it's over. They're technically still supporting the classic editor It's being so bugs will be fixed, but no new features are going to be introduced ever forever and strong words It's it's the end It's the beginning of the end. I'm just so sad now So it's not that striking right now because it hasn't been that long not a lot of new amazing technologies have been introduced But pretty soon It's going to happen I think uh one thing that I thought of was one of the good things that you could do is like work with your clients or Talk with them and see like what their workflow is for creating new posts or new content on their website One of the things that like I I moved over to Gutenberg early because well, well, why not like let's run on a live site Who cares like what could what could happen? I could break whatever But it really changed my workflow like every week I have a podcast as well And so my workflow completely changed because I couldn't paste my markdown block directly in there It just didn't work right and I mean it had one block instead of multiples Like so I just kind of worked through and figured out how I could change my workflow and it worked better So the big thing is like, oh, how do you add images? How do you do this? Well, I can show you on this thing over here. How much easier this will make your life Yes, it's going to be a little different But you know, you have a lot more flexibility and there's a lot more cool things you can do with this new editor So that would be a way if I had clients and if I was You know About the block editor like I am Right, I mean so from my perspective I do run an agency and We are in early talks with clients who are running the old versions of WordPress I've locked it down. They're running classic for now I mentioned to him back in november-december For the mere fact that They need a refresh site anyways. So when we rebuild it, it will be in Gutenberg It's a conversation to have but it's not going to be it's a whole new site as well So in that case, it's a whole new investment for them It's not going to be piecemeal. It'll be the whole thing at once. So but it's it's a conversation that has to happen What about classic press? What about it? If you can't take it get out All right, we should wrap it up. We're uh, we're done. Okay. This has been really fun This is the get out this podcast so you can find us on itunes institution spotify and all those other places I don't know where we get your podcasts. 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I don't know anyway We want your questions and that's all it's been really fun date and you guys are cool Check out steve grunwell after us right on and you can follow us on twitter at get underscore options Mr. Kyle mower. I'm at hey Adams over Alex is somewhere and so's dustin Say goodbye guys. Goodbye guys. Goodbye guys And you can applaud if you want. Yeah, thank you guys