 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind pump with your hosts, Sal DeStefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. Yo man, in this episode of Mind Pump, for the first 45 minutes, Adam, Justin, and myself have fun conversation and we talk about some current events. We start off by talking about Organifi and the tainted supplements. Don't confuse that with the episode. You're adding heavy metal, not the cool kind. Yeah, they're not. Other people are. Well, yeah. Don't confuse them. No, no, no. Not Organifi. Yeah. Don't confuse that with taint. We talk about Adam's outfit. He is looking fresh and fly. Taking it back to 96. 96, baby. We talk about the challenges of divorce. We talk about the race for self-driving cars, and then we talk about the central nervous system in its role in inflammation. We mentioned Health IQ in all of that. Now, Health IQ is one of our sponsors. They do have life insurance. You can go to healthicue.com forward slash mind pump. Take a test to see what kind of rates you qualify for. We also talk about Organifi, of course. There was this huge study that came out that tested protein powders and found many of them were tainted with heavy metals. Organifi, not one of them. Again, they are one of our sponsors. You can go to organifishop.com, enter the code mind pump, get a discount. Then we get into the questions. The first question was, should seniors with decent health be doing lifts like dead lifts, barbell squats, bench presses, and overhead presses, or should they focus on more functional exercises? Don't get it, Granny. Exactly. The next question was, how to deadlift for beginners, sounds like a manual, but we break it down. If you're a beginner and you want to learn how to deadlift properly, this is the episode for you. Some good tips here. The next question was, what exactly do we mean when we talk about priming your central nervous system? This individual is trying to understand how our program maps prime works. Is it science, or is it all hubbub? The final question was, what is the best way to train grip strength for all-around activities and lifts? Is there any merit to the various grip training devices that are geared towards rock climbers? The tug method. And OCR athletes. Now we do in this episode talk quite a bit about prime and prime pro. Now this month, if you get the prime bundle, which includes maps prime and maps prime pro, or any other bundle, you will get access to our forum for free. So you'll get free access to our forum from rolling in any bundle. If Adams puberty is causing you to laugh, we think you should visit mindputmedia.com and enroll in one of those bundles. Get free access to our forum. Do it now. Wow. I like how you do that. Can we do that as a commercial? That'd be awesome. I don't know. Can we? Can you get back to it? We'll just make. Yeah. Can you do it on? Dude, do you know how? That's very churchy. I know. I actually took that from, I think, the creed. Oh, Jesus, or oh. No. No, it was that one. I should have never opened Pandora's box. You guys are always like, oh, Jesus. Oh, Jesus. Oh, Jesus. Oh, Jesus. Oh, Jesus. Oh, Jesus. I should have never opened Pandora's box. You guys are always like, oh. It's like a Michael W. Smith kind of a jam. So just because you guys know I've been exploring religions, right? Okay. So just so you know, Satanism is coming up next, so I want you guys to be cool with that. I already like his music, so I figure it might be an easy one. It is a lot cooler. I'll be honest. Yeah. You know how happy I am that Organifi responded to us so quickly? I know you are. You were stressing out. You were stressing out about that hard. Yeah. That their quality, that their supplements are clean and dude, I appreciate them even more now. Yeah, man. Because I, every time I see a report come back like the one from, uh, it was a clean label project, every time I see one of those reports come back from, you know, different organization, different third party organizations, there's several of them now I've seen where they test supplements and it's like, you know, nine out of 10 supplements don't have what they say they have or, you know, eight out of 10 protein powders have heavy metals. Fuck. That's not even a minority that's almost like, oh, yeah, the majority, you know. You know what happens to me is I start anything. I start, if you guys, yeah, but you know what, that's how, that's also how they, there's, I mean, how studies are manipulated on both sides, right? I mean, it's, you got, you got, you, all it takes, okay. First of all, all those things, I mean, even after your response from Organifi, they say that almost every, um, vegan, vegan, um, protein is going to have some sort of trace. Yeah, trace of metals in there. So right away, you can come out and say 80, 90% have all of them have it. Well, no, the study was that, uh, most of the powders had well exceeded the, uh, federal limits for, right. But then they take that stat and because they took a collection of, like, maybe they picked eight random or 10 random and eight of them came up that way, they then turn around and say a stat like that. It's no different than how we reread studies on building muscle or burning fat is like, they take a little bit of information, then they expand on it to give you the shock and all because every, everyone I've seen so far is a third party organization that goes out, one was done by the FDA themselves, but there were other ones that were these third party organizations and they come back and they're always like most supplements or, or their labels are bogus. Remember the whole protein powder debacle a while ago where they were found to be, uh, spiking, uh, you know, nitrogen spiking or amino acid spiking so that, you know, your protein powder says 30 grams of protein per serving. Yeah. With amino acids, they spike it up. Yeah. But in reality, it's like 10 with additional like amino acids to make it look like it's more. So it's just really good in there garbage. Like there was that, there was one done on herbal supplements a while ago where they found like this supplement says it has echinacea and all it really has in it is like wheat, like there was, there was a supplement that was, it was wheat pills. It's fucking assholes. They don't even have an herb in there, you know what I mean? You might as well be eating triskets. Yeah. It's like, what the fuck, man? But it always, so, and that, let me, let me tell you why this makes me mad. If you guys only knew the volume and amount of stuff we took, of supplement I have taken, I'm, I know Adam's up there, but no way. I don't want to think back. You don't even come close to me. I know I don't come close to you because you still have that in you. You can see it come out, especially the fitness expose. Yeah. We go somewhere like there. Right away. I'm like, Oh, look at this guy. He's still got a little thing with the, the supplements. You're just more scientific about it when you do it. Actually, no, I'm like a beard of honey. I pretend like it's scientific. Yeah. Okay. First experiment combined everything. I, since I was 14, so I'm like, man, I wonder what, I got to go get tested for like heavy metals and shit like that. Oh my God. I mean, I know, you know, we'll see what happens. But anyway, I'm happy that organ, if I got back to it so quickly and that their testing shows that their stuff is very, very clean. So, and I know that they're on the pricier side of supplements, but you get what you pay for and you put it in your body. That's why because they take the time to look at stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah. So it makes me happy. Dude, can we take a moment and just recognize Adam's outfit? Yeah, dude. That is. I wore it today for Taylor and he's not even here. Oh, he's not even here? Yeah, I wore it for Taylor today. This is jump suit. The jumper. It literally looks like, and now you're starting center, Adam Schaefer. It's like, he's got like the breakaway pants and everything. Look at this for close to 20 years. That's not what I see. No, you don't see that? No, what I see when I look at him is like you're dressing like a mobster from the 1970s. You know, any one of the jumpsuits? It was Fila. Oh, yeah. Well, that's it. It was popular back then. It was like in the early 90s and stuff. I love jumpsuits. Oh, it's one of the most comfortable. I've kept it because of how comfortable. And it's not cheap, right? So I've had it forever. It's the one pair of clothing that you can both sleep in and wear in the daytime. Right. You know what I mean? It's like 24-hour clothing. Did you guys watch Brennan Shob's new showtime show? No. Okay, sorry. It's the showtime show. I just watched it. He made a show. He said he was talking shit about people that wear sweats in the airport. He's all, when did it become socially acceptable to also wear your fucking pajamas to fucking the airport? Right. And because he gets all, he's dressed up all the time. And I'm like, I don't know, dude. I'm listening to it. I'm like, I kind of disagree here because I've flown already enough times over to the East Coast. And it's, it's a motherfucker being some in some tight jeans, dude. If you're a professional traveler, you know, you're wearing sweats. Right. And you're bringing the neck pillow. Right. Like an asshole. Here's what, that's how I feel. This is, it is not about how I look when I get on that flight. If I was going to list the top three, I'm drooling. The top three things about working in fitness, the top three for sure. One of those, maybe one or two is the fact that I get to wear workout clothes every day. You know how, dude, I worked in a bank. Oh my God. Okay. And I'm a banker in a bank of America, which is basically you're handling like clients with a lot of money, right? And by the way, I had zero experience with this kind of stuff. I basically, this, this, this just shows by hand me, I'll figure my sales ability. I closed them on hiring me for this, this position. I hated it. Right. Hated working in the bank. And there's a lot of reasons why I hated it. First of all, it's banking. It's fucking boring. And second of all, it's super quiet. You guys know my voice. You can imagine me in the back of the room trying to talk to customers and getting shushed by every other banker in there. And one of the other reasons why I hated it, I had to wear a suit. Do you know how shitty that is? You know, I went through a phase where I actually wish I had a job that I could wear a suit. Yeah. Did you ever got that? I was in sweats for so long. I went from a dairy where I might shit on me and rubber boots on me and a full like jumper that I'm wearing when I work all day long. Right. And then I go to sweats all the day. I'm like, I just want to be clean and professional. Be professional. Yeah. I'd be an adult. I remember for a minute there, just for a short minute. You'll get over it so fast. Yeah. You're forced to. So uncomfortable. All I had to do was run like couple weddings back to back to back and I was like, okay, I'm already over it. Think about this way. No thanks. How long does it take you to get ready in the morning? Right? You're just like, oh, sweats, t-shirt. And I mean. I've clocked it too. And I'm in my uniform. Yeah. Like this is what I'm supposed to do. Like to the point where my dress up clothes, because I've been in fitness for so long are jeans. So then what do you think about the airport thing? I think he's, I'm going to call Brendan out on them. Calling you out, bro. I'm going to say. Yeah. That's how I feel. But there's, there's things, there's things to be. Plains suck anyway. Like you don't want to be, you want to be comfortable. That's how I feel. Yeah. I'm going to get all wrinkly. I get what he's saying though. I do notice that. Dude, if it was up to me, I might even, you know, I might even bring a blanket next time. Just walk around with a blanket. Like, you know what I mean? Like wake up. Think how nice that would be. Everybody will avoid you in the plane. Oh, cozy. I mean, I guess if we, I guess if we were getting off a plane and we had like a big business meeting that we had to, I'd be dressed right. Right. Right. I'm going to get off a plane and walk into like an important meeting. Like we get off a plane. We normally go to our house. Dude, the only time I'm wearing a Suze if we're in private jet status. You know what I mean? Even then I know. No? I'm more comfortable. Yeah. I might come in my boxers. Yeah. If it's a private jet, we could go through all the normal. What am I thinking? When you do that, you own the world. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. I got to, I got to take a peek. Can you open the window real quick? Yeah. Sprinkle that outside. I'm going to bless the earth. Yeah. With my pee right now. I'm not going to go into detail over this because I don't talk about super personal stuff while I do, but not this kind of stuff. Can I just say that, do you guys have triggers that certain things that can get you from calm, happy, cool to like you want to, like a volcano explode, pissed off? Usually it's certain people because they know you so well. They want to just like, they find that button and they push me. Yeah. I have experienced that. One of the chapters in this book I was reading gets into talking about the myth of triggers. This is kind of cool, right? So I mean, I've always thought the same way too, like there's certain things that trigger me, but really it is, it's a, it's part of how our emotions are made. And it's a series of events that not only happen like in the past or that could potentially cause you to be upset, but also what's currently happening right at that moment and at that time in your day even. So I've learned to take those situations that which I used to call triggered before as, okay, what's going on so different with me that I allow this bullshit to bother me. Oh, you know what I'm saying? Let me tell you, buddy. Let me tell you. No, nothing will, nothing can get you as angry as, as your ex-wife. As your ex or your baby mama or whatever. I don't care if you're a woman or a man, everybody knows who's gone through a divorce or whatever. See, because I'm in from the future, I know this. Oh, for fuck me. Fuck me. It's your future jumpsuit. I was on cloud nine this morning, like all my way to work, like, yeah, I'm fucking ready. I'm gonna crush. It's gonna be so great. One phone call. And I'm like, looking at, I'm like, can I drive my car off the bridge right now? Like this would be a great idea. Well, without, without, without giving away what you're going, what you're going through, I know something about you though that you have already admitted that you hate even dealing with that shit anyways. So that's what I, what I look into. I go like, okay, she's this other person. I can't control them. They're this and that. But why did this trigger me so much out of all the things? It's not her. It's that this is an area that I don't, I don't, I already don't like dealing with it. And then now you're making it more difficult for me. You bitch. Like that's what's going through your head. And if you really dig deeper, it's really less about her. And it's always about me. Yeah, it's always right, right. So why, why did that get me so mad? You know, she does a lot of stupid shit. Why is that one? If I go deep, if I go even deeper, I have a tendency to, I don't, nobody likes to, to feel like they're either being forced or they feel like they have to do something or they have to acquiesce to a situation against their, their, their wishes, right? Nobody likes that feeling, right? Like I can remember when I was in school, there was a situation where I went to a junior high that was just, it wasn't a great junior high. We had a lot of gangs there, a lot of kids that, you know, coming from rough areas. And so it was, it was a bad environment. And there was one time where I had a, like a gang of kids who forced me to, well, basically made me back down, if you will. Like I had to like back down from a fight or chicken that would be a chicken, if you will, from a fight because there were 10 of them and they were just one of me. And it bothered me so bad that I had to acquiesce in, in Cower that it bothered me so badly that the next day I found a way to fight the main, you know, the main antagonist, the main dude. And then I got jumped for it. And then I went after someone else. It bothers me that bad. I can't stand it so much that that's, that's just part of my core. Maybe that's a fixed mindset and I'm sure I could fix it. But, you know, when you have an ex who is the parent, you know, the other parent of your child. And, you know, by the way, for all intents and purposes we have a good relationship. So I don't want to make them sound like a terrible person. This is just, and this is not a me problem. This is a, I think this is an existential like problem that parents who have to co-parent have to deal with even parent people who are not necessarily divorced just together. At some point, you're going to feel like you're being forced by this other individual. And it's just complicated by the fact that you maybe are divorced from them. Maybe there's a lot of resentment already there and that's why the divorce happened. All that other stuff. So when you feel like you're being forced, for me, there is almost nothing worse. It's like the worst feeling. I don't like being forced. Like I'm the cool, and you know what it is? I know, okay, here it is. Such a great podcasting is a great way to process, isn't it? I am, you guys know me. Am I not, am I, would you consider me a generous individual? We all are. Yeah, like if somebody needs something from me, if you ask me, like if you come up to me and I'm like, hey man, look, here's a situation. Like I need this help or I need this money or I need whatever. I'm nine out of 10 times. I'm going to totally want to help you. I have no problem doing that. Which makes me more angry when I feel like I'm being forced to do things from someone rather than just asking me. If I feel like I'm being forced, knowing that I would probably be okay with it if you just asked, that is fire, man. That's like internal like, God, what is that feeling? You know what I mean? I feel like there's a sun burning hot side of my chest. What it is, I mean, you said it a bunch of times. It's me. It's always me. Oh, it's terrible. It's always me and it's always something that I'm perceiving this this way. This is what's allowing me to get angry. And so, because you can never, you can never control everybody else and all the bullshit they do. So if you find yourself getting, you know, quote unquote triggered, then there's work to be done there for me. Fuck her. Oh, that's the only thing I can work on. Right, right. I don't force on anybody else. And you know, at the end of the day, I prefer, of course, to have a good relationship with the, you know, my kid's mother. And that's, for the most part, what it is. And it's for, of course, the kids. It makes everybody work better. It's better to work together, usually, right? Then, unless it's a terrible, terrible situation. And I know it's me. I can only work on me. I know this. It's still, though. Oh yeah, trying. Of course. It's a task, dude. It's a task, man. You want to be forced to grow, go through a divorce with kids. And there's just gonna be more of, you know, stuff like this that's just gonna pop up. I had a client once who, he gave me some wisdom. I don't think he realized how much wisdom he gave me. He was married for eight years to a woman who didn't work. So she was at home, he worked, and they didn't have kids. And he was a very high earning surgeon. So he's earning like a shit ton of money, probably half a million dollars a year. Very, very well-known surgeon, making a lot of money. And she's at home just doing that stuff. And they have no kids, right? So they get divorced. This guy, after eight years of marriage and her never working, they get divorced. He has to pay, I forgot. It was something like 15 grand a month to her in alimony for years, like four years he had this bill of 15. And no kids? They had no kids. It was alimony to her because she didn't work or whatever. And so now had she worked or got married, then that would reduce her alimony. So while she was paying her 15 grand a month, she was with a guy who was, she got with this other guy who was super wealthy. So do you understand how common that is? And he refute, listen, this is the best part. This is the best part. She was living with this man who made all this money or dating him or something like that. And she'd been with him for a long time, wouldn't get married to him because she knew right after the alimony was over. He was obviously a nice guy because if he wants, he could have tried to go after that. Cost him more money. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He's a nice guy and I don't know where his income was, but he told me, I mean, I had this conversation with him and he's like, listen, man, he goes, it's just trust me. He goes, I've gone up, down, left, right with this. He goes, I'm just not, by the way, this is not my situation. This is not why I'm giving you this example. It was just reminding me of this. And he said to me, he goes, you know, like, if I fight it, it's gonna cost me more. So I'm just gonna do it and that's it. And I just release it because otherwise he goes, for a year, it fucking stressed me out so bad. And it was a learning lesson for me because I saw this, I'm like, well, I guess there's a lot of logic in that, you know? Sometimes you're forced to do something and it's like, in reality, I mean, I guess you could try to fight it, but that would be a worse option. So you're actually choosing the option that's better. So in reality, it's not forced, right? Well, it's less of fighting and more. If she's doing it intentionally like that, it's unfair. Like if you've been living together with this guy, if she could go prove that they've been living together for a certain amount of time, and I don't know what that is. I don't know if they were living together or she was just dating the guy. Oh yeah, if she was just dating, well then he's fucked. That's what it was. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're fucked. Nothing around that. Oh, the best part is after he paid his last payment, she got married to the other guy, but she married him. The last payment. Yeah. Okay, I'm ready. It's funny you're bringing this up because I was having this conversation yesterday with an old client of mine and her boyfriend is been divorced for I think like 10 years or whatever like that from his wife. He gave the house, the $4 million house to her that she lives in, Annie pays her alimony. And I guess they just found out yesterday that she was, or he's now, excuse me, she's now engaged to get married. And you could tell she's like all in this caboon and she's like, oh yeah, no, he's so excited. And like, so that'll increase his income by 25%. And I know this guy's, you know, he's interviewing Elon or he's a lawyer for like Elon Musk. So that's a big chunk. Yeah, yeah. So it's like, I'm like, damn. Think of how crazy that would be if like if you're just used to for years given 25% of your income like that. And when you're making millions of dollars like that, what that could be like. I think that's crazy. Yeah. What's worse when you have tens of millions and someone takes half that and you make $5 million or when you make $50,000 and someone takes half that and they make $25,000. I don't know. What's worse? If you're making less, it's gonna hurt, right? You know. It all hurts. It all hurts, right? Yeah, that's true. Well, the way the laws are set up, men usually get the, when it comes to that kind of stuff, we'll get the short end of the stick. And I know why they designed the laws that way. But yeah, a lot of people get screwed. Although I've seen women get screwed too though. I had a client who she worked, made a lot more money than her husband did and she had to end up paying him. Oh, I'm sure. I'm sure it goes both ways. Speaking of big money and stuff, did you guys see Toyota? $1.8 billion they're investing right now into the race, dude. It's everybody is on this race to the self-driving cars. And it's, I mean, I really feel like this is way closer than what I thought it was before. I mean, maybe. Bro, you're talking about a technology that's gonna radically transform society. Apple's working on that under the wraps. I guarantee it. No, they all are. They talk about the article. They have a specific car for it. Literally what's happening right now is you have companies like Toyota who are actually investing themselves, billions of dollars to actually keep it all in-house to where they are doing it. Then you have other companies that are speaking to companies like Google and Apple and then are like working together because they're gonna create the software. They'll be the big powerhouse company. So it's interesting because it makes me think, what do you think is the better strategy? Do you think if you're VW, if you're Toyota or you're one of these big cars, right? Is it smarter for you to partner up? Partner up with a tech company. Of course, 100%. Of course. I see, I don't know. 100%. Here's why. I don't know if I grew up with that. No, because them trying to all of a sudden create technology and the infrastructure for that back in front end, they've never done that before. I mean, they've done it on like a microchip level. If you invest in $1.8 billion, that means you went out and got a team and you got people- But where are you getting them from? BC players at best. Maybe. Maybe. Or recruiting from those places. No, I don't know about that. I have to agree with Justin. I have to agree 100% with Justin. Imagine if a car manufacturer today said, we are gonna manufacture our tires. We're gonna manufacture our oil. We're gonna make everything ourselves in-house. Look, Toyota will never make a tire as good as a tire company. To create the technology to navigate a car also requires the infrastructure with maps, like Google owns that shit. Oh, they've mastered it. Yeah, like, that's a typical play that companies do that typically, not always. That's why I'm so excited about this. That's why I'm so excited about this. The opposite, though. Okay, so I know Apple's so arrogant that they're gonna create their own car. They've never done a car industry before. They've never been a part of it. But guess what? They went into the phone industry and then all of a sudden they created their own. This reminds me of being a kid and watching Royal Rumble, dude. Everybody's in the ring, dude. And you have all kinds of different strengths and body types. You have no idea who's gonna come out. I'm really fascinated by it because then you throw in a company like Uber. And you could argue these guys, the way they are covering space and ground right now, it's like, fuck you. Well, I feel like, if anybody, and this is my own personal thought, is that it has an advantage over everybody. It's Tesla. Just because of the fact they've already been incorporating technology within the cars, cloud-based technology, where they give constant updates, they have that system in place. Yeah, they're ready. That's how I like, I'm with you on that one. I like Tesla a lot in this. I like them a lot in this. Yeah, so what I think when I look at this is, first off, you have, what's gonna change more dramatically than anything and what's gonna be one of the biggest fundamental shifts is the shift from private car ownership. Oh yeah, no doubt. No doubt. Private car ownership will be largely a thing of the past in the relatively near future because it will be so cost effective to not own a car. I believe the next car I buy will be the last car I buy. Probably. I do. I've already thought about this right now. Like if I have three vehicles that are like either approaching or over 100,000 miles right now, and I'm going, I was telling Katrina the other day, I was like, you know, we really should get a new car. And I'm like, oh, we're getting ready to get the house right now. I don't wanna do, this is not a smart thing to do right now. Let's just tough it out. We have no payments or anything, right? So, but I'm going like, this might be the last car I buy. You know what I'm saying? I kinda wanna buy one last cool car because I really think it's gonna be stupid to have one in about 10, 15 years. So think about this. Think about the difficulty that a company like Toyota, Ford, Chevy, you know, think of how difficult of a transition it is for these companies that are built on, entirely built on private car ownership. They have to completely change their business model. That's a massive shift. And I don't think they'll be able to do it and compete with companies that are already poised around not private car ownership like Uber. Like Uber is already designed around that. Uber and Tesla, watch out. That's my point. So I do not, I think the old dogs are fuck. Okay, who's our front three? I think those are the front runners. What are the front three? Apple, Uber and Tesla. Yep, I would say things like Lyft, Uber, Google, Apple are in the running. Uber's ahead of Lyft. I'm not worried about Lyft. I think I like Uber. I like Apple. I like Tesla. I like Elon Musk. Let's just think about this first. Can't bet against the guy that fucking... Let's think about it. He wants his own rocket in space. Come on, he's like... He's gonna get it done. He's a doer. That's the only reason why I don't know if I'm counting on Tesla because that motherfucker's got so much on his plate that he's trying to conquer something else right now. Yeah, he's trying to get if he wants it. He's like in the, I think, I believe he's more in like the lunar cycle idea, right? Like that's where he's heading. He's heading more that direction. So maybe he doesn't... He's interstellar travel. Right, right. He's like, you guys are fucking around Earth, getting around Earth. Like, fuck Earth. We're not gonna be on Earth in 30 years or just Earth. I'm trying to get to the end. So that's the only reason why Tesla might not be in my top three. There's definitely not the number one because of that. Two forward thinking. Well, think about it this way. Let's just think about, for example, the design of a car. Like a car is designed, and it has been since day one, to be around the driver, to be centric around the driver who controls the entire car. When there is no driver, what does that look like inside the car? Do they keep the wheel? Like just in case, is it safety? Or do they get rid of it? Do you sit facing forward like you always do? Or does it become an office? Yeah, it comes from an office. Well, definitely. 100% it comes from an office. That's what I think the future of cars, self-driving cars, look like little work desks. They could be... Some of them may look different. Some of them may be bars. You may have a traveling van that drives around, picks you up in your friends. Look, we're in the thick of it all with the Silicon Valley, right? And I mean, everybody I know, I don't know anybody that doesn't have, besides maybe ourselves, that don't have, and even us, I think Justin's got it. So no, everybody I know has a 32 hour plus commute every single morning and every single night going back home, minimum. So that's one to two hours. Productivity. Productivity every single day that people could be doing, which is why we see texting and driving so bad right now. I know. It does it because everybody's like, holy shit, I'm multitasking. I could be working answering. I'm sitting here. Yeah, I'm sitting in traffic. I may as well answer stuff. So... Think of all the wasted space that we have in society that's due to parking cars. How much of your home is dedicated to parking your car? How much time is dedicated to trying to find parking? Or taking care of your car. Taking care of your car. How many people are killed every year through car accidents and drunk drivers? Traffic, which is largely the result of human error, will mostly be gone. So that our commute, if you're not driving and all these cars are synchronizing and measuring off of each other, might turn into a 20 minute drive. Does that now mean that, for example, one of the reasons why Silicon Valley is so expensive is people are trying to get closer to where their work is. Well, if it's self-driving cars and traffic is kind of a thing of the past and all that stuff, are people gonna spread out even further? Is that gonna cause people to now want to move to... It's not a big deal to move to the now or half of a while. 100%. Dude, I'll tell you right now, if I mean, being someone who's shopping right now, if I were to buy a house with this technology currently running, I would for sure buy like an hour away. Who cares if it's an hour? I mean, that's just an hour. I get up, now I can have my coffee on the road. I can be working on my answering all my emails before I get here. Oh, it would just first... And I know I could get into a house that's potentially cheaper. Morning conference call. Like, he's just doing it all in the car. Now think about this, freeing up of the elderly, the freeing up of children. Think about all the times you have to take your kids here, there. For practice. Yeah, you give them their cell phones so you could track them and you go, okay, I called your Uber or whatever. It's taking you to soccer. All these things are gonna be... It's gonna change society on... Cause cars change society in fundamental ways anyway. Cars were part of the industrial revolution. Wagons and automobiles was a huge fucking deal. Well, highways, freeways, change suburbs, how we live, how we... Yeah, how we built buildings. Dude, it's gonna be... I don't think people realize just how crazy it's gonna be. But what do you guys think are the largest obstacles to that type of a transition? Wow, regulation. Yeah, 100%. 100%. Yeah, regulations. Yeah, if we took that off right now, it'd be fucking here tomorrow. Yeah, it'd be here tomorrow. It really would. And so I think that you're gonna see some lobbying to keep regulations to fight this new transformation happening. Maybe the big car manufacturers. How do you start it? Do you just start with certain freeways that are only self-driving? You know what I mean? Where it's like that, because I foresee like a problem being like somebody that's driving their own car trying to change lanes and like a self-driving car is just, you know, like it doesn't really have the same response. 100% they'll have to be dedicated lanes and separate the two because there will be an overlap in a transition when that happens. You won't go for it. We won't go for it. I think we'll see a lot of assholes that don't want to succumb to that. I think we'll see private roads, private freeways, private highways. I mean, what did the wagon to automobile transition look like? People just navigate around each other. I don't see, look, if a car is self-autonomous, it has to be able to navigate around other people. I can't picture a wagon and an automobile on the same, on this. Oh yeah, all the time. I had to of, right? Oh yeah, they had horses. I just can't picture it right now, can you? Yeah, no, it's just you navigate and it's just- Have you seen an image of that? No. You know, eventually, I can pull it up easy. Eventually what'll happen is it'll be illegal to drive. I think to ask Doug, Doug was old enough, he was, he was a human or something. Hey Doug, no, Doug was riding dinosaurs. Teradactyl. Eventually it'll be illegal to drive. They'll make it to where, like it is now, like you can't ride a horse on the freeway, you know what I mean? At some point, they're gonna be like, okay, it's illegal for you to drive your own. So what I wonder then is my Camaro gonna be fucking worth so much money or is it gonna be worth nothing? Yeah, it's either one or the other. No, I think it'll be worth way more. Yeah. It'll be like, it'll be put in a museum. I think it'll be worth way more. You know what's gonna go up in popularity? Four wheeling, guaranteed. Because we'll make parks and stuff dedicated to off-roading and, you know, I can just see that as being like, oh, I get what you're saying. More of an adventure, like, oh, I'm driving a car, whoa. What a great point. What a great point. Let's make a business around that. Right, and we already have these tracks where you can go race, you can go drive a Corvette or drive a Ferrari or do that for the day. Remember what driving a crazy vehicle was like? You're probably right. That's a good call. I like that call. That's a great way to transition it out, too. You know what I'm saying? And also think about the amount of money that you spend on a car and on car insurance and on gas compared to how much you'll spend on these services that'll pick you up. Like the last estimates I read were something like $3,000 a year, they estimate it'll cost a person to use one of these cars. $3,000 a year is nothing compared to how much we spend on cars, insurance, gas. Are you kidding? It's totally nothing. So imagine now that increased wealth that we have now as a result of that, what that's gonna do for society and where people are gonna invest that kind of stuff. Like this is gonna be a huge explosion for society. Like Toyota, do they give themselves like a date or a projected timeframe? No, see, I'm not reading anything like that. Like I don't, no one's saying like this has happened because, and I think it goes back to regulations, right? I think, but I think when you see companies spending billions of dollars in it, it's here. You know what I'm saying? This isn't a matter of like, oh, it's gonna, like some people, I felt like two years ago, we were talking about it. Like it's like, oh man, I know the cool sci-fi story. Yeah, right. But now it's like, it's for sure here. You don't go spend billions of dollars like that if you know that this isn't the future. And this is what I think. I think everyone's gone back and done the math is what Sal was talking about. And I think if you're a multi-billion dollar company like Toyota and you sit down with all your guys, you go, uh-oh, this is a real reality. And this means, and anybody would be a fool not to just pay $3,000. I mean, that's like to have a new car and eliminate, I mean, I would pay close to $10,000. I mean, when you add in gas, washing your car, maintenance on the car, car payment, all those, all those- Time lost. Oh, yeah, time lost, all those things like, oh, I would pay three times that amount, Sal. Public transportation will be a thing of the past because you're gonna have ride-sharing buses and stuff that people can actually pay privately and it'll be cheap as fuck when it's autonomous. I wish, see, what I would like to do is figure out a way to invest in the products and things that are gonna explode as a result of that. For example, like electric car batteries. Like, I bet you those or, you know, electric engines, like if you could figure out how to invest in something like that, because for sure, these autonomous cars or whatever are gonna probably mostly be electric, right? Because then they'll go to their charging station of whatever company charge and then go out and do their job. Cleaner, you know, for the environment. It's some extent, it can be. It's some extent, it can be. See, again, this is where I- That's what people think. It's just efficient, money-wise, I think. I see companies like a Toyota that would, I think they would all be in-house, you know? Like, if you're building the technology to figure out the software piece, you've already got the car piece mastered, you better figure their battery. I mean, Tesla's all in-house. They do their own batteries, too, right? Or do they contract those out? I think they do make their own batteries. Yeah, I think they make their own batteries, yeah. Right, I think they do, too. I think you would keep it all in-house, so it's probably, it really goes back to who we think is the race leaders in this. That's what I'm- That's the thing, that's a good point, because Tesla does have an advantage with batteries. They've definitely owned that market. Well, Toyota has their own with Prius, right? They've done that, too, so I mean, that's what I'm saying. I don't know if there's gonna be a side company that would make their batteries, or if they would, I don't know enough about this, it does really speculate, but I would think that you would keep it all in-house as much as you possibly can. That's why I don't know if I agree with you on the contracting out, just because, but I do get what you're coming from as far as the software. These guys are professionals at creating that. They would be best for that, but I do see that this being an ongoing, constantly having to upgrade, constantly having to write more code, constantly having to evolve and get better, and it'd be a, and I think I would, instead of always having to write, you know, fucking Google, a million dollar check every month, it's like, let's invest the one point- That's cost-effect. Right, let's invest the 1.8 billion. We may not be the leader, we may not be first, we may have to learn from them, we may have to reverse engineer all of their stuff, but at least we'll control it financially in our house, and we won't be dependent- It's like the Intel Pentium processor on the inside, I know, but you have like Google or Apple. Exactly, I mean, Google, if you give Google, Apple, whoever these people that are right, or whatever companies are doing the software for these companies, these car companies, they got a lot of power, bro. That's a lot of power you're giving them, just because you want to be first, or you think you want to have the best software. I don't know, I might have more of an Apple approach with let's just get it out there, and then somebody else will try and do it, and then we'll one up them again real quick, because we've got the manpower. I think the first ones to really make this happen are also taking a massive risk, because one, just one- Regulation. Accident, no, one accident. Just one. Will cause the regulation. Will be a, you know, the funny thing is people are scared so weasely, right? So they'll be like, oh my God, self-driving car explodes in fire, and everybody's gonna freak out, it's like, well, statistically speaking, that's way less than the- Yeah, who's really been splashing and tiptoeing into it, is Uber and Tesla, that's it. Those are the two. So that's why I think they have an advantage. It'll be very interesting. I liked them. So I got a cool article, I just quickly will go over with you guys that I thought was interesting. So I read this in Medical Express, it's a website. The title of the article is Nervous System, Puts the Breaks on Inflammation. So there's cells in the nervous system that put the brakes on immune responses to infections in the gut and lungs that prevent excessive inflammation. Now this is interesting because this is showing that the CNS system, the central nervous system, communicates directly with the immune system to control inflammation. Okay, well when you say that, we know that. We know that stress could cause the gut to be inflamed. So if you have a high stress life, you're more likely to probably have leaky gut or some sort of case. Well, this is showing that the immune system can actually also suppress and block it. So, I mean, it's so funny, you know what I mean? This whole mind, body, spirit, meditate and be spiritual and it sounded so hokey like 10 years ago. Holy shit, they were right. Like how right they were. How naive of us to think they weren't considering we've only been on this earth for 37 years and this shit's been going on for thousands of years. You know what I'm saying, thousands of years. Well, you see like shallot and monks, you know, like how they're just so intuitive. Like they're just so in tune with their own body and the systems and like listening to the communication process. Like they can do amazing what seems like superhuman things and it's just like, they're just on that level. Dude, it's your state of mind makes such a big impact in how your body reacts and responds to both your food, to your activity, to your life and then of course, and this is the easy connection, your state of mind also of course, you know, causes you to make certain decisions and stuff so it's just, it really is a positive feedback loop. Now positive feedback loop for the listeners who aren't familiar, when you ever have a microphone that you're speaking into and there's speakers and then you get the microphone close to the speaker and it makes that loud noise. What's happening is the microphone is picking up very small sounds from the speaker, which is then getting amplified, which is then getting picked up and it's amplifying it like crazy. This is what happens when with our connection from our mind and our emotions to our body. So, you know, if I have a little bit of inflammation in my gut and that causes me to stress out, that stress then causes more inflammation in the gut, which then causes, and it can go the reverse. I can be anxious or stressed or I'm not dealing with something, so I'm suppressing something, which causes this emotional feeling, which then causes inflammation, which causes me to feel worse and it just does this positive feedback loop. That's a really good analogy to stay there. Yeah, that was awesome. This actually makes me think a lot of Wim Hof and why his practices were so successful and when they tested him and how he was able to, then, you know, I don't remember what specific bacteria it was that they tested with. I think it was E. coli or something like that, where they injected like- Oh, and he fought it. Yeah, and he fought it and he basically didn't get any of the effects, you know. Crazy, he was able to- That's some ninja shit right there. Yeah, just by calming. You know, here's the thing, like think about it this way. If we went, if we took humans from a thousand or 2,000 years ago and brought them today, they would probably be in absolute awe and wonder with the average human's ability to organize, schedule, navigate technology, articulate with their fingers on new technology, being able to read symbols and convey messages and they'd be like, oh my God, you guys are ninjas, you guys are brilliant, you guys are geniuses. No, the truth is we've just been practicing since we were children. The thing that we haven't practiced at all, at all in Western societies is this mindfulness practice. So that's why when we look at people like Wim Hof, they're like Superman or they're like God's, the reality is they just practice. They practice and he's communicating with his autonomic system. That's it. He's figured it out. Totally possible if you make this a regular, it's funny now that when I coach people now, this is becoming more and more and more a part of their coaching where I'm having them stop before you stop. Breathing sessions and stuff, huh? Yeah, you know, and the difference is I can sell it now because I understand it really well. So now people actually comply, whereas in the past they'd be like, hey, like it's an important thing. Yeah, have a mindfulness practice. What the fuck does that mean? I don't wanna do that. What do you mean, I get plenty of sleep or whatever. It makes a tremendous difference in your physical body and how it actually operates. And so I read this article this morning and I was thinking about this and I was thinking about God, how do I, like I'm communicating it right now and I know people listening are like, wow, that makes a lot of sense. Like where do I start? What does that look like? And I've also talked about in the past how, when we talked about things like intuitive eating, like taking care of yourself like someone you care about and that tends to resonate with people. And I thought to myself like, the best starting point for all of this is really that. The best starting point really is understanding that and understanding this, like how you feel about yourself, how you take care of yourself, how you allow the state of mind you allow yourself to be and the emotional state you allow yourself to be in or that you are in is in direct relation or directly connected to how you love yourself or the empathy you have for yourself or how you view yourself. And I'll explain even further. If you were in the care of, let's imagine you had a prison and you had a prisoner in there and they were just the person you hated. You just fucking hated them. You did not like them at all. They were bad people. You would treat them as such. Now imagine if you had to care for somebody, but you love them, you care for them. Maybe it was at your own child. The way you behave towards them, the way you treated them would be as such. Now, if you view yourself in that same way as somebody that you hate because I have no discipline, I'm too stressed out, I'm not doing enough for these things that I could be doing. I made this bad decision. Of course you're gonna treat yourself terribly. And of course you're gonna have a state of mind that, because you have to deal with yourself. There's one person in the world you can't escape and that's yourself. So if I hate Justin, if I hate Adam, I can just make a choice and be like, well, I'm out of here. I'm not gonna fucking work with you guys. I live with me. The only escape. I'm gonna find you. Yeah, the only potential possible escape would be obviously suicide, which is not an option, obviously. So if I have to live with this person, I have to learn to love myself like somebody I care about and that's the root or the foundation of where this all comes from. If you can do that, and it really begins with this, I look at the decisions I made in the past and I start to realize like, okay, I made some bad decisions or I wasn't disciplined or I did things to myself that weren't the greatest. I can see that I made those mistakes. I can see that I also try to do better. And so I forgive myself and right now I'm making the choice to try to stop doing that to the best of my ability. Now I can start to love myself because now I'm a person deserving of empathy because I've made that decision. I've admitted that in the past I wasn't so good to myself. I've also forgiven myself and had empathy towards myself. That doesn't mean I'm gonna be perfect moving forward. It's just acknowledging that now moving forward, I'm gonna be someone that's going to try to live in a way where I'm caring for somebody that I actually care about. Once you start right there, that's where I think the mindfulness practice can start to come from. Cause now I'm like, okay, now I can sit here. I can try to be calm. I can try to breathe. I can try to care. I can't be more proactive than instead of making it into work. Exactly. Exactly. And then that of course feeds the physical and then the physical now feeds the mental. Cause what happens is that positive feedback works in the opposite too. If you start to create this mental space and emotional state that brings things down to a healthy level that makes you start to feel better emotionally. That will reflect itself in your physical self. And so now I'm feeling less physical symptoms of stress, less physical symptoms of anxiety, less physical symptoms of inflammation, which now means I physically feel better, which now feeds back right into this emotional state of wellbeing. So now I've created a positive feedback loop in the direction that I want. So understanding that, I think makes a huge difference. Makes a huge difference. You just kind of grazed over the suicide thing, but that suicide and depression, that it's the lack of self-love and it's the lack of being able to connect to yourself like that is where that all stems in. This is kind of a dark question, but I wanted to ask Doug, Doug, what is, do you know, like with the insurance and stuff like that, like if suicide, is that normally in the- Oh, life insurance. Or even depression or anything? Do they ask questions like that? Typically it will be medical questions in regards to depression. So if you have a history of going to a doctor for depression, or if you're on some type of a antidepressant, they'll ask those questions. And yeah, absolutely, those will be factored in. Yeah, because if you have health insurance like Health IQ and you were to take your own life, you would, would that- Yeah, the thing to give you a year to wait- I think it's a two-year waiting period typically. What do you mean it's a two-year waiting period? Well, if you buy a policy and in the first two years you take your life, nobody gets anything. Oh, okay, so if I had it, if I've had it for 10 years in my life and then I took it, then I'd be- Yeah, that's a different story. Not that I'm encouraging anyone to do that. Yeah, whoever your benefactor is gets a thing. So what they're trying to prevent, well it's very dark, but it's a reality. Well, yeah, it's a reality and it was on my mind this week and that's why I was just thinking about that. And so I didn't even think like, and I know that we're sponsored by- So I mean, yes, so Health IQ, one of the reasons why they can charge so little for life insurance is because they're working with a pool of healthy individuals. So all those factors are much lower, including things like suicide and depression, which are, it's strongly correlated to poor physical health or not exercising. If you exercise and you eat right, the odds that you'll suffer from depression are much lower and in some studies show that exercise and diet are as effective as anti-depression drugs and in the long term, more effective. And I think the reason why they may show that they're more effective in the long term, because of course I'm gonna side with exercise and eating, right? But I think the reason why they may be better is because of the growth, the self-impersonal growth that come along with the prolonged, yeah, the prolonged consistency with exercise and diet. So what insurance companies do is they pool all their people together and although you pay based on your risk factor, you also pay a little bit based on the other risk factors because they have to pay out other people. So what Health IQ did is they took a pool of all healthy people. So now they can charge less to you because you're healthy, but even less because all their other customers are low risk. So if you're a fit individual, healthy individual, and you still want life insurance because I think it's smart, then you wanna go to a company that only tries to work with other healthy individuals. That's why when Doug did it, it was like cheaper than all the other ones you compared them to. Yeah, and actually Health IQ is an agency. So what they're doing is they're going out and looking at- They're brokering basically. Yeah, they're basically looking at all these different companies and they say, okay, I got somebody who's a preferred risk class. This person's extremely healthy. Who can give me the best rates? And that's exactly what they're doing. Obviously the payout is different based on, like if someone took their life two years versus 10 years later, the payouts obviously- Yeah, the payout will be the same. For example, if you have a term life policy and it's a million dollar policy, then the payout's a million dollars. The thing is they think, well, if you're suicidal, you're not gonna wait two years, right? Right, right. So the idea is to make people wait and- I wonder if they actually have stats on that, right? Like someone- That's why it's two years. Right, right. There's probably like a- They have come up with that number. Exactly. There's a lot of money in knowing- Factor that in. Yes, there's a lot of money in knowing that. For sure, or else anyone who's almost suicidal that has family or has to like that and thinks like, oh, I wanna make sure everyone's taking care of before I go, like that would be a strategy, right? Like for people, because at that point, you know, it's, well, I guess you don't really care about anybody else too, because your self-love isn't there too. You're probably so deep in your depression. I don't know if you're forward thinking about it. I wouldn't even, who are we talking to? We were talking to someone and they were saying how they were talking with a friend and that the argument was, well, heaven is a place here, like on earth, and they were trying to make that argument and they were having a debate where the other person's like, no, heaven's not here and that's not possible. And then, you know, I brought this thought to myself and I said, well, for something to exist, the opposite has to also exist. In other words, if light doesn't exist without dark, you know, hot doesn't exist without cold because you don't have the contrast. Like if there was no cold, then hot wouldn't be hot. It would just be, okay. So you get what I'm saying. If somebody can experience a heaven, then on vice, you know, the opposite to that can be true with somebody like experiencing hell. My point with that was if people think that heaven on earth or heaven in the, you know, whatever the sense that you think heaven is here on earth, if they think that that's not possible, then I ask them this question, do you think being in total hell is possible on earth? Nobody will deny that. Everybody will be like, oh, that's totally possible. Well, if that's possible, which I think, I mean, people who commit suicide probably lived in hell, right? If that's possible, then so is living in a heaven. I just think it's more common to be in a hell than to be in a heaven. That's all, I don't think it's impossible. So it actually makes me feel good knowing that, oh, shit, the opposite is just possible as well. Right, right. You know? Team fireproof. That's right. The angle has landed. Chimaera Qua! Today's Qua is being brought to you by Chimaera Coffee. It's the only coffee that is infused with all natural neutral picks for a cleaner, calmer and more focused buzz without the crash. Put the Chimaera link at mindpumpmedia.com and input the discount code, Mindpump a check out for 10% off. It's the motherfucking Qua. The eagle has landed. Qua. First question is from Gachered. Should seniors with decent health be doing foundational lifts like deadlifts, barbell squats, bench overhead press, or focus more on functional exercise or a mix of both? You know what I like about this? Those are functional exercises. Thank you. Boom. This highlights one of the biggest misunderstandings in exercise right now, or in fitness right now, which is that. Nothing could be more functional. Those are the most functional exercises. And then a squat and a deadlift and arguably an overhead press. I mean, that is as functional of a movement. And if you cannot do that, then I think, I mean, that's the prerequisites for almost everything else, right? So if you can't do that, exactly. You shouldn't be doing some cool mobility thing that someone, you see somebody do on video because you already know mechanically they're gonna be broken on that if they can't do a squat properly. And so learning how to look at your client's mechanics and a squat or a deadlift, even if they're 90 years old and look where they're not moving properly and then address that. Now, this is exactly why too, like, you know, we created programs like Maps Prime Pro is, you know, this really is, I think, a program where I would, as a trainer, training clients, I probably would refer to Prime Pro more than any other program that we've released, in my opinion. I don't know about you guys, but I mean, I don't know how many times I had somebody with some sort of chronic pain somewhere and because of that, it's caused dysfunction in their movement and I was always, that's how I learned. I mean, I would see a client like that and they would, and then I had to go dig deeper, like, why is that happening and what muscles are doing. In the go-to, like, initial thought for most trainers is like, well, what can I substitute this with now? You know, and then they never really come back to the barbell training and so it becomes a thing that they just avoid versus like, well, what can we work on? How can we build ourselves back to where our joints are supported and stable so we can actually go through these types of movements? Did you guys ever do this? Like, so I used to, like, if it was like an advanced stage, like, really advanced stage client that is just really hard time squatting, the whole workout would be revolved around trying to get them to be able to squat back. Of course, yeah. Like, that's the workout. That's the goal. You break it into- It's not like biceps and then some triceps. No, the goal is to be able to do a squat. That's it, one of the most fundamental movements. Right, and then I'm doing all the things to complement that. Especially the squat. Getting up and down from sitting in your chair, like that's like as you progress in age, that's such an important thing. Here's what's functional. Strength. Yeah. Strength is the foundation for all physical pursuits and especially as you get older. If you look at all of the physical ailments that happen to seniors or individuals in advanced age, they all can get rooted back to lack of strength, lack of muscle, all of them. Bone density loss. Well, that's a lack of strength. You're losing your balance. That's a loss of strength, lack of strength. The breaking a bone and then being in bed ridden for a while, which then results in terrible outcomes, that's because you lack strength. You lack the strength to heal or you lack the strength to prevent yourself from hurting yourself in the first place. Then you look at all the more minor things like your lack of individual ability. As you get older, I can't reach that thing over my head anymore or I can't close my trunk or I can't walk up the stairs. That's all a strength issue and senior citizens who maintain strength have far better outcomes than those that don't maintain strength. Other quality of life is way improved when they maintain strength. Dude, I had a client who I trained for about seven years and now he trains with Jessica, so he's still working out. God, how old is, he's gotta be, Jim now is I think 75, maybe 75, I think he's about 70. You know, Jim was, he actually was- Is that your swimmer guy you're talking about? Yeah, he helped us film Maps Anabolic when we first filmed it. He actually came in volunteered and would hold, like test the sound and stuff like that. It's pretty cool, but I think he's like 70, I wanna say 75 or maybe even 78 now, but this guy swims for an hour straight every day and he's been doing it for 40 years. So for 40 years, and this is the most consistent motherfucker you've ever met in your life, consistently, every night he'll swim for an hour lap, straight, like nonstop, uses a steam and sauna every single day, lifts weights at least three to four days a week pretty consistently with a good level of intensity. So here you have this man who's on the upper end of 70 and I believe he's getting, yeah, I think he's like 78. The guy never hurts himself, his balance is incredible, can do pull-ups, can do all these different things. Got his testosterone levels checked, tested at almost 700. Oh, that's embarrassing. Okay, almost at 700. That stings, we're at him. And you know, he just got the flu, like he just got the flu recently. Now the flu that's been going around has been a pretty bad one. It's been a horrible one this year. It's actually killed more people than normal. It's been a pretty nasty one, right? So this guy gets the flu, he's in the age category of people that are fucked if they get the flu. Like people in their late 70s, they get this kind of a flu. Like, okay, everybody buckle up cause this might end up bad. It might turn into some, the dude was sick for three days. Three days, he had a fever for one in two days of rest. He's like, yeah, I just didn't swim and I called him on the phone to check on him cause Jessica's like, oh, Jim didn't come into, he couldn't make his workout cause he's sick and which is weird. It's alarming, yeah. Oh shit, and he's old, you know, and he's older. So I'm like, oh shit, let me call him. I call him up, he's like, hey, what's up, buddy? I'm like, oh, fuck. You're not a bad guy. Yeah, he's like, well, I think I might take an extra day off but yeah, I was pretty crummy on Thursday and this was like three days later and now he's okay. And I'm like, you know, it makes such a tremendous difference and the exercises that make the biggest difference on strength are the deadlift, the barbell squat, overhead presses, rows, bench press, these functional foundational movements. They build the most muscle and they give you the most strength. And you also have to think about what makes your physical performance functional in the first place. Well, it needs to translate into everyday life. What does everyday modern life look like? Well, you gotta be able to walk, you gotta be able to pick things up, walk upstairs, balance a little bit, twist to grab something. And so you don't need to be super crazy acrobatic circus like with your exercises to make you functional. Those are really only functional for people who do those types of activities. So if your lifestyle involves lots of crazy balancing and all these other things, well yeah, you might wanna do more of that because that's gonna make you more functional. If you're a baseball player, there's gonna be more specific movements to make you more functional as a baseball player. But if you're the average person, like... Nothing's more functional than squatting. You can't get around it. That being said, I think it's important. When we say that, it doesn't mean, okay, you have this 80-year-old who can't squat, their form is breaking down, and then you hear on Mind Pump that we keep saying they need to squat and so you just keep... It looks low. No, yeah. It doesn't mean you load them up, it doesn't mean you force them to squat. It means you've gotta learn, and this is again, back to mechanics. My plug here is that this is why we created Prime and Prime Pro, was Prime has the assessment, it has a squat assessment on there, it has a hinge assessment in there, it has a rotational assessment in there, and then where they break down, it helps guide you through what type of movements you should do to help fix that dysfunction. Now, that's what you should be putting a lot of energy on that, and then you go over and you squat, then you go put some more energy in that, then you go back and you squat, then you put- Exactly. And you pay attention to how it starts to improve their mechanics, and you help them make that connection of this is why you're not able to squat, or this is why your low back bothers you, this is why your knees bother you when you actually squat, it's not the squat. The exercise- Your body. Yes, your body, your body is broken mechanically, and notice how much better you felt after we did these Prime movements, and then I took you to the squats- Dude, you may never- Your body breaks in tension, and where you lose communication, these are all important things. And keep in mind, if you have somebody in advanced age, you may never get them to be able to do a full barbell squat. Like, you may never get to that point, I had clients like that too. Right, right, I had clients like that. Yeah, who were in their late, in their 80s who were deconditioned, and we trained for three years. Yeah, we trained three years, never got, we were never able to do a barbell squat, but we continued to work towards the goal of being able to do that, which meant tremendous improvement. I tell you something right now, let me ask you guys a question. How much does it cost for a correctional exercise certification from like a reputable company like- 700 to 1000 plus dollars. Easily, right? Yeah, it's up there now. If you're a trainer and you don't own Prime and Prime Pro, you are missing out. In fact, I would say, it will save you a shit ton of money over a correctional exercise certification, and you're gonna get a lot of applicable movements and stuff that you can give to your client that I know I went through these certs. They don't necessarily give you these kinds of things. Well, of course, it's all the information, the three of us plus Dr. Brink Collective we have distilled in the most practical way that we could deliver it. That's the idea. The idea was, okay, let's take all this education, information, experience between the four of us, and how do we distill that for the average person that they can actually be able to take that and apply it to their own body? Or if you're a trainer, how do you take that information, apply it to a client? I have a question for Doug, because I know Doug is more privy on the whole tax thing. If you're a trainer- Yes, you could write that off. Well, I was gonna say, if you're a trainer, you can write off certifications, right? Absolutely. It's part of your business. Now, what if you were a trainer and you buy- You buy materials. You can buy like maps programs to help you with your clients. I guarantee you can. Anything you're using for your business, you can use as a write-off. Very fucking good. Not a CPA, so I will say, as a disclaimer, I'm not a CPA, so ask your CPA. But I will say, yes, you can. Yeah, because I feel like if you buy, especially correctional programs- I've been doing it for years. If I would even buy other people's programs and write that off, because it's still- Because you're learning how to do that. Yeah, exactly. It's educational purposes towards your business. I mean, yeah, you can definitely write that off. Well, there you go. Next up is Michael Hargood. How to deadlift for beginners. I feel like there's a theme today. Yeah, whoa. Such a simple- This is like- Yeah, this is like an old-school topic. Such a simple topic, but it's important because I don't think we have addressed this in a long time. No, I don't think we have. No, so here's how I used to progress people to be able to do a deadlift. Now, a deadlift was easier for me, typically, to teach than a full squat. They're both hard to teach, but I found that a deadlift, I could progress people to a decent type of a deadlift faster than a squat because I feel like there was less involved. Oh, really? I don't know, man. I disagree. I actually had a harder time communicating for my career in the beginning, like hip-hinging and getting people to really understand how to do that properly and not squat their way down. That was something I had to really figure out how to articulate that better and how to translate that to the client. Yeah, that was a challenge, man. Starting from scratch, and there's a lot of factors involved in the deadlift that are nuanced. One thing I used to do was I would start people with a very high deadlift. So if I had a rack, what I would do is I'd take a barbell or I'd start with a stick. So if I had clients who were just weak, right, or they didn't have... If I wasn't comfortable, even with a really, really high deadlift with them bending over and picking something up, I would just use a broomstick. And what I would do is I'd set it on a rack so that it's literally many times above their knees. So they're not even close to doing a full deadlift. They're starting at their knees, just teaching them how to pivot at the hips while maintaining stability in their core. So their low back is in that natural arch position, not over arched and not obviously in a rounded position. Nice tall chest. Grab the stick, brace your core, pause, wait for my cue, and slowly drive through the floor with your legs and stand up nice and tall. And I would cue and cue and cue. And once I felt comfortable with that, I didn't add weight. I would lower the bar down a little bit and then we would practice from there until we got to the point where they were deadlifting low enough to then what I would do is I wouldn't add weight to the bar. I would go and transition to a sumo deadlift with a kettlebell or something, because it's just an easier position. Yeah, I would actually start with the stick, kind of similar, but I'd start with the stick actually up their spine. And that's what I would do too. Yeah, and then I would get them to understand how to brace and actually pull back, you know, and then like I would use the wall to see, like I would have them keep their knees neutral and then have them pull their hips back so they could try to get their glutes to the wall to even understand like what hip hinging is. So I have a technique to help that. Yours is closer to mine. So I break it all the way down first to a prone floor bridge first. So they can have the assistance of gravity. They're laying on the floor, they have feedback and they can understand that, keeping the back rigid while also hinging at the hips, just getting that communication first and then from there I'll pick them up. I'll do something similar where you're saying, Justin's all put the stick on the three points on their backs so they know how to keep that rigid. And then I'll take a really light band around their waist and we'll just do like a stick or the barbell and deadlift. And I want, so the band is pulling their hips back. Yeah, I've seen people do that. Right. And so, and then I'll- It's like a little assistance to pull it. Yes, exactly. So I'll cue by kind of hitting them right in the hips and say, you know, hips slide back. It teaches the process. Keep these three points, yeah. And so it, and the band's assisting the pulling back so it feels more natural. That's great. Yeah, that is a good one. So that- We should do a YouTube on that. We should do a YouTube on that. That'd be a great one. Do a, because I don't think I've taught- Had a deadlift for beginners. That would be a great YouTube. Yeah, no, because that, I could visually see that. And I've seen people actually coach that. And I think it's very helpful. Cause like that whole process in the beginning, I think that people see and they perceive, you know, somebody actually performing the exercise but they don't really know what they look like as they're performing it. Mechanically, I think that's why, I mean, they're both close, right? Squad and deadlifting is for sure. I mean, we could sit here and argue all day which one's harder, but they're both are very, very challenging. It's skill. Deadlifting, I think, deadlifting to me because it's mostly all posterior chain, you know what I'm saying? It's very, very little anterior driven. Squats get a little bit more anterior so I feel like people are a little more comfortable. Posterior being the muscles of the back of your body. Right, yeah. Anterior being the muscles of the front. Anterior being behind you, yeah. We're so disconnected back there that I feel like it's just so foreign to people. Which came more naturally to you guys when you first started working out? Squats or deadlifts? Well, deadlifts came naturally. Me too. Oh, really? Deadlifts took a lot of work for me. The first time I picked up a bar, I think I was able to deadlift three and a half pounds. So you want to know why that was? What I unpacking that? Why did I have an easier time with deadlifts than squatting when I was first learning? Because both of them are arguably very challenging. Is the position of my hips. Because I already have an excessive anterior punk tilt so it kind of helped me keep that rigid back when I'd slide the hips back. And actually, when I slide back into a deadlift and because I already have the hips in that and excessive kind of lower dose is going, it kind of sets me back into this perfect position. I think that's why I was really good at pulling right out the gates. Well, I think with sports in particular, like I know being in certain positions, I was always up on my toes and ready to react left to right. You know, that position that you're, you're supposed to be somewhat squatted and responsive. So either I'm playing baseball, I'm playing basketball, I'm playing football. Like I was always up on the forefoot. And so, you know, everything's anterior driven. So I would just drop right in. And yeah, like really activated my posterior chain was something I had to work at. Yeah, deadlifts for me were the first time I ever deadlifted. I was probably 16. So I started working out of 14, 16. It was the first time I deadlifted and there were power lifters that showed me how to pull. And I pulled three plates, it was very natural. I just got into it and just lifted it up. And it's always been a very natural movement for me. Squats, not so much. Yeah, no, I'm with you on that. Squats took me forever. I still have to work on them. I vividly remember deadlifting and by the second or third session I was deadlifting, I had already kind of made the connection and was ramping my weight up. I went from like 135 and like trying to figure the form down to ramping up to like three plates really, really fast were squats. Oh my God, to get to three, I spent half my life getting to three plates. You know what I'm saying? Like I was just broken mechanically for my squats. I think it has a lot to do with your posture already. It does, it does. And there was a point where I was good at front squats, but back squats were always more difficult for me, which is fucking weird, right? It's always the other way around. Front squats are so hard, typically. Well, they're hard because it's hard to balance up there, but it's actually, I think we've all found this, right? I mean, I teach a goblet squat or a front squat sometimes when someone's really struggling with a barbell back squat because it forces you upright. Like if you're a heavy chest following forward all the time, but this would be a really listening to everybody's tips because everybody's tips are fucking solid. Those are all money tips, and I think we've all probably tried or played around with a lot of them, that'll be a good video. Next up, Misfit and Nerdy. Misfit and Nerdy. She's in our forums. Yeah, yeah. What exactly do you mean when you talk about priming your central nervous system? Trying to understand exactly how MAPS Prime works. So I'm gonna tell you a little story about people, charlatans in the mall that connects to this. So, this is a magnet. Oh dude, so I, years ago, do you guys remember when it was all popular in baseball for the people to wear those stupid bracelets? Yes, the copper rings. It was like, this makes you pitch fast or whatever. So there was one of those kiosks in the mall where this guy was selling these magnetic bracelets and necklaces and apparently they improve your performance. And so he stops me, he's like, hey man, you should, and of course, I'm in fitness and stuff. So I'm like, oh, this is gonna be great. And he's like, hey man, check this out. This is like, increases your performance. This is like what the guys in the MLB are wearing, this and that. And I'm like, oh really? I'm like, how does it work? And he tries to give me this bullshit pitch about the, what it's made out of is this specially processed metal that, you know, whatever, you know, lines up with the sun and the quasars and whatever, so I'm like, okay. So he goes, no, no, check this out. Check out this test. It's really cool. So he says, stand on one foot, balance, and put one arm out. So I stand on one foot and I extend one arm. And then he pushes on my arm and I kind of tip over. And he says, okay, now put this, then he puts the bracelet on me real quick. And he says, now stand on one leg and do that again. So then I stand on it again and he tries to push my arm down and I have much better balance. So at the time, I don't, at the time, I was, I don't remember who I was with. And they were, I forgot who it was. I was one of my cousins and they're like, oh shit, that's crazy. Like, how does that fucking work, dude? And I'm like, yeah. And I'm like, well, let me ask you a question. If I had you balance, walk across a balance beam and do one practice run and then try it again, which one do you think would be better? And he's like, oh, the second one. I'm like, well, why do you think you got better the second time? Oh, well, I don't, I'm like, because your central nervous system is adapting. You're calling upon it to fire muscles and work in a particular way to give you better balance, which is why I can literally improve someone's balance immediately. Now that doesn't mean it's gonna be permanent, but for sure, practice your balance and within five minutes, you're gonna balance better than the first time. You know what that reminds me of? Is the, what were the name of those guys from LA that when we went down, they stick their finger in my mouth? The human garage. Yes. That wasn't his finger. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we video. Bro, that was like one of those things where we kept going back to the table and then he would do something that hurt me and then we'd get up and walk, look how much better you're walking. It's like, you know what that reminds me? It's like when someone's like, oh man, my shoulder really hurts. And then you punch him in the face and you're like, is your shoulder still hurt? Still feeling your shoulder? Yeah, your shoulder still hurt? Like no, I have a black eye. No, so your central nervous system is adapting and that's why, same reason why if you stretch, you can gain, you know, several inches in range of motion. Immediately. Immediately, like I could take someone, I could test their hamstring out and then I could stretch them for 30 minutes and they'll be way more flexible instantly. Now again, it doesn't mean it's permanent, but what I'm doing is I'm changing. What's my adding tension? I mean, you're just heightening, like you're getting the central nervous system more responsive. It's communicating at a louder frequency. Right, so for misfit and nerdy, the central nervous system is what controls your muscles. It's the operating system. It is what determines how much your muscles are allowed to extend and stretch, how hard they can contract, how much they can relax, and how all of the muscles can communicate with you or how all of the muscles I should say fire and what pattern they fire and how hard they fire. And there's a lot more that goes into it. It's much more complex than that, but that's kind of a general, easy to understand kind of breakdown. You're central. Your speaker and amplifier analogy, I think is one of the best analogies to explain the CNS. I think that's... Yeah, so the CNS is the amplifier and the muscles are speakers. So the amp is what puts out the power and causes the sound to come out of the speaker. So what you're doing before you work out can encourage more optimal central nervous system operating or firing. So if I'm going to do a bench press and I prime my personal body, by the way, how you prime your body is quite individual because what one person may need, another person, it might be the opposite of what the other person needs. So when I prime my body based on my own recruitment patterns, my own structural deviations or recruitment pattern issues or whatever, when I do that to myself and I do it right, now my body's gonna fire more optimally when I do these big, important exercises like squats, deadlifts, overhead presses or whatever. And because I'm firing better, my results are gonna be better, both because I'm able to activate more muscle fibers and also because I'm encouraging good recruitment patterns the entire time. So I'm reducing my risk of injury and better form just equals better results all the way around. Another way to look at it is like, you guys ever had your arm fall asleep when you wake up and your arm's completely dead and it's fall asleep because you've had it still? And then you do the stranger. Right, well, so imagine if you were to wake up and we've all probably had this happen. I think everybody's had their arm fall asleep before. So if you wake up and you have a baseball right next to your bed and you wake up and your arm fall asleep and you grab the baseball and the goal is to throw it as accurately as possible. And you did it with no time in between and you get up from a sleepy arm. Everyone knows what that would look like. You're not gonna be able to grab the ball. Yeah, I get noodle arms. Right, you can't even use your arm for a few seconds until your body, until that CNS starts to get reconnected back over there. Now think of you sat up and you sit there and you articulate your fingers and you get them moving. So at that, give it about 30 seconds to a minute, two minutes, and then you grab the ball and you throw it. Which one's gonna be way more accurate, right? Think of it the same way as your body is it's kind of when we, when we're not firing muscles properly in a sense it kind of goes to sleep and by you priming it properly, you're getting those muscles, you're articulating those muscles, you're getting them to fire right and then think how much better you're gonna have your workout. Well I think too, yeah, like everybody kind of knows when they like bench press for instance, like I've gone through a process back in the day where I would take like at least three or four sets before I knew like, okay, I'm ready and I'm warm to now start adding like a substantial amount of load. That's a form of priming. It's a form of priming, but it's not as specific. So there's a way to make that process even more specific. Say it's a rudimentary way of priming, right? So say I just needed to retract my shoulders and depress them more to stabilize my shoulder joint in that lift. Well, I could prime that specifically so much more effectively going into now bench pressing where that's gonna be something, okay, wow, I'm ready. You know, I'm responsive. That's right. I think that only works too when you're somebody who really understands mechanics well because what you're doing when you're doing that for sets one, two and three is each set, you're getting better and better into your form and you're in the groove of it. Right, you're getting in the groove of it and you know what the right groove feels like where if you're the average Jane or Joe and you don't know what that feels like. Yeah, can priming be done improperly? Absolutely. You can prime your body in a way that makes it less. This is where injury happens. Yes. How many times has somebody done a bench press that they've done a hundred times before but this time they fucked their shoulder up? Well, that's because their body wasn't primed properly. Here's the difference between prime and prime pro, by the way, prime is what we're talking about. Prime pro is correctional exercise to help treat injury. It's addressing each individual joint. This is prime is literally teaching how to prime your workouts. How big of a difference does this make? A massive fucking difference. I remember as a personal trainer, putting this together and training my clients in this particular way where I'd see them, I'd prime them, boom, we'd do a squat or a deadlift or whatever, form was good, everything was firing better and the progress was just so much better as a result of it. It expedites the process. This is why when I wrote Maps Anabolic, which I think I created five years ago, maybe longer than that, yeah, six years ago, when I created Maps Anabolic, phase one of Maps Anabolic starts with one or two sets of box squats before you go into heavy barbell squats because I knew that generally speaking, that's gonna prime more people better to do a box squat first and then to do regular squats so they can teach their hips or get their hips to prime and fire better. Now, it's not very individualized. Taking it a million steps further, Maps Prime, we were able to put in like a compass test that individualizes priming for each individual person, which was a big challenge, I'm gonna be honest with you. Like teaching how to prime for lifts is so dependent on the individual that we thought it would be impossible to write a program. It was our hardest program we did, to date, for sure. 100% took the most to get that program out. No, I think that not only is priming huge and learning how to do it for you personally, but that compounds as you get older. Like, because I think as a young, if you're listening and you're like 17 to 25 and you hear how you're going like, oh, I got no injuries, my workouts are good. Like, I just want to know the newest pre-workout or give me the newest fucking program you designed. Like, that's all they wanna hear. It's like, but you don't realize how important this is now because your body's not talking to you yet. It's not forcing you to make it a priority. It will eventually and if you can start to put in a practice now, early on, you'll have to put less time into it, right? Instead of having to prime. Like, if I have a 80-year-old client who's never taken care of their posture, their mechanics, the whole hour could end up being kind of like priming it and trying just to get them to walk properly or just get them to be able to squat down properly. The whole fucking session's a prime. And so that's an example of how it compounds. Now, if you're someone who's 25, it might be, there's a couple moves that you do that really makes a difference that makes you bench better or squat better that you implement now because it gets you into better alignment that you start doing and you make a habit before you train every time. And it will never become a problem. It'll be something that you actually stay on top of. But eventually, if you don't address this, because none of us are in this perfect form, right? We're not in this to squat or deadlift all day long. We're constantly twisting, moving, rounding, sitting, slouching. We're creating all these bad recruitment patterns. And then we're going in the gym and then we're expecting ourselves to all of a sudden, whoop, we go into a perfect form. Like, no, it's not gonna happen that way. Priming's extremely important. Next question is from Mike Narducci. What is the best way to train grip strength for all around activities or lifts? Is there any merit to the various grip training devices geared toward rock climbers and OCR athletes? Another person that likes to do activities like you. So many activities. That's so funny. Nobody knows what we're talking about. Yeah. Hey, it's Mike and Narducci. He's a one of my people. So, before we get into, well, first off with grip strength, you know, it wasn't that long ago where a man's strength was measured by his grip. For a long time, it was all about your grip. And we all know the old, you know, adage, you know, a firm handshake. Oh yeah, that handshake was always the, you know, you get the old guy that's killing you. Yeah. And you're like, dude, really? And there's some, crushing me. There's some truth as to why men were measured by their grip strength or why that was such an important thing. Your grip, your hands, or what connect you, literally what connect you to the world. So regardless of how strong your back and your chest and your shoulders and your legs are, if you can't hold on to things. It'll always be your limiting factor. You're done. You're fucked. So strong hands are extremely functional for life and definitely for many, many types of sports. On that point alone, sorry to interrupt you, but I think it's so important to point out is that that's why I think the feet are too. Like the feet and the hands, arguably, and I think that's something I didn't think about as an early trainer. So that's why I wanted to stop you and make that point. Like, my thought process is totally different now. Like that, now I would like look at those things like, man, if I have, which hands, first point of contact, right, hands, we use them so much so we don't see it as much, right? Because everybody has like decently strong hands. Well, at least they're not like crazily dysfunctional, like everybody's feet are. Yeah, like everybody's feet are, right? But those two areas are at that point. So hand strength and grip strength is extremely important. Also, we know that humans are primates. So we did, although our hands evolved to be able to articulate our joints and to manipulate small things and to throw things really well, we also have ancestors that were climbing and swinging in trees, which means the potential for tremendous grip strength is actually quite high and it should not be your limiting factor. It shouldn't be what limits you from doing heavy lifts and heavy pulls. In fact, your grip should be able to keep up with your body if you allow it to train, if you train it with your body. Well, in fact, that's my own personal measure of like when to progress is I have to make sure my grip can keep up with that weight. Otherwise, I feel like I haven't earned that weight yet. That's right. So here's the thing with strength. There's the strength that's concentric. So that's the ability to shorten the muscle. So that would be like squeezing something. Like my hands are literally going from open to closed. Then there's the isometric strength, which is just holding a contracted position. And then there's the eccentric strength, which is the ability to go from closed to slowly opening with weight. We don't need to worry about that. Let's focus on the other two first. The ability to close your hand and then the ability to hold a closed hand, both of which are important to train, both of them which communicate with each other and there's definitely carry over, but both are quite unique in the sense that you could have somebody who's extremely strong at squeezing and closing their hand, but might not have the isometric strength of holding a grip like somebody who, let's say is maybe a jujitsu fighter or a rock climber, for example, because it's a very unique type of strength. Now, arguably the type of grip strength that's more important is the ability to hold, to hold a grip. Because I think functionally speaking, if you think of all the things you use your hands with, very, there's definitely moments where you need to like actually move and squeeze your hand. Like if you're operating like heavy scissors or pliers and stuff like that, like I get that, but more often than not, it's just being able to hold on to something without letting go. That's important. So you do wanna train both of those things and you do wanna treat it if grip strength is a priority, like a separate body part. So if I'm doing my workout and let's say I'm doing a full body workout or even if I'm doing biceps or whatever, make sure you dedicate some time to working on your grip, but start slow because if you haven't worked directly on your grip, it's really easy to overdo. Oh yeah, really easy. Yeah, and it sucks because when you overdo working on your hands, you get that, what is that, tennis elbow? You know, where you get it at the points of your elbows? That's not right up there. Yeah. I would do rice buckets and farmer walks. I was gonna say farmer walks all day. Yeah, farmer walks and then rice buckets. Rice buckets I like because of what Sal made a great point on it is that you kind of get everything there. And so that'll kind of help keep it. So how to use a rice bucket? So you just like a, well five gallons overkill, but you don't need a whole five gallons. You get like a big, one of those big bags of rice from Costco, poured in a nice bag that's deep enough to where your hands can sink all the way in and you just, you move your hands around for time. So you dip them in, you put them in the sand. Yeah, you put them in. Or you can use sand too. Yeah, sand would work, yeah. Sand or rice and you're moving them around. You're opening, you're closing, you're stretching the fingers out. You're just constantly doing that. And you do it for time. And if like you said, you've never done it before, don't start with five minutes of it. You won't even be able to make that. But get in there, exercise it for a little while. Then when you start, it starts to really burn, probably rest for a few seconds or a minute. Go back ahead again, do a couple rounds of that. Progress that way, that'll keep. Dude, if you're an OCR racer, your grip is so important. So far, everyone I've seen, that's the limiting factor on all of them, right? Yeah. Most people can, yeah, they can endure and they can go through that process. But yeah, the grip strength is, that's usually like where you see people just like, oh, it kills them. Don't forget there's a genetic component too. Like people don't, I mean, there's some, like when you look at someone like Ben Greenfield, like he was meant to have. Maybe, or that motherfucker's been climbing shit forever, dude. Well yeah, no, but I think- I mean, he's long and lanky too. Physically changed, yeah, his hands. Dude, I'll tell you what, how many people, how many men do you know that have worked construction their whole life? Quite a few. Do all of them not have like ridiculous hands? Ridiculous grips. Every single one. My dad's hands are like bricks. He's been working with his hands since he was nine years old. Until this day when I grab, and he didn't lift weights or he's retired now. When I grab his hand, I know that if he wanted to, he could break one of my fingers because his hands have just thickened and strengthened as a result of all these different, you know, of working with his hands for so long. So here's one of my favorite movements. It's a super, super easy one. You take a piece of paper, it used to be a newspaper, but good luck trying to find one of those nowadays, but get a big piece of paper and crumple it from the corner with one hand and slowly bring the paper in and try to crumple the whole thing into a big ball and squeeze it and then get another one. So you're starting from the corner. It is an old school strongman. Wow, I've never done that. It's an old school strongman exercise where you start from the corner and you squeeze, squeeze, squeezing till you get the entire piece of paper. It's funny, the only thing, you guys remember the old rope in- Yeah, I remember that. That was like the only version of grip training I did back in the day, but I remember that was like Arnold or somebody was doing that and so I would do that. Another one I used to do is, and I used to use my Jujitsu gi for this, but you can use two towels is you take two towels and you hang them over a pull-up bar and then grab the towels and then hang or do pull-ups like that. And it's a very different stress on your grip to hold those things. So you can either hold them by wrapping them by grabbing them like almost like a tube. So you grab the whole towel like a tube or you can grab them if you're a Jujitsu gi like a gi where they go inside your fingers a little bit and then do pull-ups and pull it out of your grip. Dude, changing the grip on any levels can help gain strength in that direction. Something I've been told many, many times by the way from friends of mine that were women and girls and stuff is that they find hands and forearms very attractive. Like that's a thing apparently. So if you're a guy, there's some motivation right there to strengthen your, not just your right hand either. Do the other one. You gotta bounce it out. That's right. Listen, go to your app store and get the Mind Pump Media app. It's free. On that app, you can search specific topics that'll go through all of our 700 plus episodes. Find when we talked about those topics, bring those episodes up for you and listen to our brilliant advice on those specific topics. Thank you for listening to Mind Pump. If your goal is to build and shape your body, dramatically improve your health and energy and maximize your overall performance, check out our discounted RGB Superbundle at mindpumpmedia.com. The RGB Superbundle includes maths anabolic, maths performance and maths aesthetic. Nine months of phased expert exercise programming designed by Sal Adam and Justin to systematically transform the way your body looks, feels and performs. 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