 What could I have told you back in 2016? Let's imagine you and I butting heads on Twitter What could I have told you that would have made you less skeptical about me as someone who is largely viewed as a Bernie Bro, what could I have told you to convince you that I'm coming from this position? Not you know in bad faith, but in good faith. What do you think somebody like me could have said to you? If anything that would have convinced you back then You know you're you're a really straight shooting guy clearly and you're being honest So I'm gonna you know, I'm gonna I like to do that too. That's the person I am So I'm just gonna respond honestly I don't know if there was anything you could have said because at the point you start seeing other people as I Don't want to say enemy, but it's like a bitter rival, right? I don't know that I was really listening that carefully I was angry and a lot of people were angry on both sides, right? And I and I tell people this you know, I've been talking to people over the past week as part as part of the book release And what I've said is look, you know, sometimes the closest people people you're in a relationship with you know Your close family or parents are the most bitter fights when you fight and they can be explosive to the point of violence most violence is domestic violence that that we see when these sort of close family fights that really I don't know like so there's a way that love turns to hate and In when people are close because they care about the other person's opinion, right? I cared that the progressive community saw me that way it hurt me and it but I take responsibility For what I did to get to that point So I think the answer to your question is a tough one now. How do we get people to do it? It's exactly what we're doing just you and me talking Seeing that we're human beings were coming from a principled place There were a segment of people you and I know who just wanted to make trouble who wanted to attack and harass I'm not going to Forgive or ask other people. Hey, you got harassed and trolled and subjected to these horrible things Hey, you just have to forget it. So it's more like we're here now. It's 2019 going to 2020 So what I would recommend to you to do and to others what I would recommend to others It look inside yourself ask yourself. What are your priorities? We are facing fascism like you know it And I know it right, you know, there's one thing you and I could have ideological differences about capitalism about socialism about political theory and social theory and economic theory But that's more really academic in in some instances What we're facing is like an existential threat right now to the rule of law and democracy or anything that's left of it I realize and I know you know this that some people may say it just the way the capitalist system is set up But I'm just not really a political scientist or or really an expert on those issues I wasn't house music musician You know that sounds a jazz keyboardist who got into activism I don't know enough about economic and political theory to make these sort of macro You know sort of analysis of what's the better system all I know is I'm seeing Children being shot in school rooms and there's in their classrooms. I'm she I'm seeing migrant children being Stolen from their parents that is an atrocity I mean there is no greater torture those of us who are parents understand no greater torture than taking your child away And you don't know where they are and they may never see them again You might as well kill somebody rather than do that to them and yet our government is doing that in our name We are droning babies in other countries from from missiles that come out of the sky and blow up toddlers Okay, all these things are happening So me I'm just like a very direct action type of activists like I don't know the theory well enough But I see these injustices I'm just gonna speak out about them and I ask others to focus on that like what do you want for 2020? Do you want to sit there and fight over whether you know the DNC rigged it or not for the next three years? You're never gonna win that battle one person to say it was rigged one person to say it's not and you're never gonna Get to a conclusion and you and I have very strong feelings about this Yeah, exactly, but I've learned to sort of set those feelings I just focus on these injustices, you know, there is so much injustice around us that I just can't look backwards I just took that rear-view mirror and I smashed it. That's for me But for others can do what they want to do, but that's that's my approach