 Run through a long list. You can probably put together a list right off the top of your head of some bad pastors. I mean some unbiblical pastors. I mean, biblically unbiblical pastors. There are a lot out there. There are pastors out there who have decided to be or men who've decided or women who have decided to become pastors simply because it's a means to an end. They may have had dreams of stardom or let me just also be honest there also have been some of those who have started off maybe on the right foot who may have had good intentions but moved away from where their intentions were which meant that they were never really to be in that position in the first place. There's a lot of people also though who are actually good pastors and we're going to talk about what a good pastor is what makes for a pastor who could be a pastor really the things that even make qualified disqualified pastor things that make a pastor biblical or unbiblical but what you notice today is that you see an awful lot of pastors who seem to mimic who seem to be just like the world. The world wants to be seen. The world wants to be heard. The world wants you to notice them. It's all about me and expressing yourselves. This whole me-ism that we see running through the course that's coursing through our veins in society this society that talks to tells people that that it's about your own self identity think about could you imagine a pastor whoever you think is a good pastor whoever you might think is a good pastor whatever in your mind is a good pastor a pastor who you would consider to be wise because if you just close your eyes and just not your pastor but some other pastor who is told to be wise to be loving to be caring to be understanding of the word who is more about God than he is about himself could you imagine that pastor walking up like this yeah that that is that's really not what you would think that you would see out of a pastor now when i covered this before a lot of people said that they recognize some of the clothing that he was wearing how expensive it was and so forth i don't know i think a pastor needs to be concerned about how he is portrayed how he is viewed by others you want to make sure that people aren't looking at you as though you're somebody that's out for self it used to be a time where pastors had a good name just the just the profession so to speak had a good name in general but now it's as though that that title that name is dropping lower and lower and lower on the rung of different professions that people respect now it's somewhere it seems to be somewhere around used car salesman attorney it's it's it's not it's not as it's it's not on the level of an ISIS terrorist but it's dropping and the reason is because we see people like that people like a Mike Todd who like to have a gimmick and Mike Todd let's just be clear Mike Todd is without question probably probably he probably is the king of the gimmicks God's asking everybody at the end of this year i mean we only got like four weeks left in 2020 four or five weeks he's saying could you please uncuff from cuddling to anything that has the ability to kill who i called you to be now a couple things imagine your favorite pastor having a bed on stage you all tell me who your who your favorite pastors are is it a tony ebbons is it andy wood some of it is a is it a john mccarthur is it you name it is it even though he's he's been a console but i do like bishop wooden i could imagine bishop wooden on stage which on stage with a bed that would be mind boggling to see the pastors that you respect could you imagine if paul or peter had lived at this to adrian rogers if they were living at this time if they just had to bring on some sort of gimmick because i don't have a problem necessarily with gimmicks i really don't or i shouldn't say gimmicks i don't have a problem really with stage props depending on how you use them uh not that you're always using them and not that it takes over the entire stage when i say a prop i don't mean turning the entire stage into a prop in other words the entire stage it's just as though you're putting on some sort of theatrical performance that's not what you're supposed to be doing as a matter of fact what it does is it speaks to your level of ability to communicate if you need the bed if you need these other gimmicks then it tells us how unsure you probably think to yourself that you are when it comes to handling the word it's the place of immaturity i'm frustrated i need to get cuddled by somebody i'm not gonna forgive i'm not gonna say i'm sorry no somebody come hold me somebody come touch me i just couldn't see my respected pastors doing things like that because one they don't need to people people who have an appreciation for the word look for pastors who also have an appreciation of the word again again i said it before that if you want to know what sort of leader you are look back look behind you see what sort of people are following whoever's following they're following the kind of person that's leading them and so it's it's have you ever spoken with someone who goes to one of these guys church and you kind of soon get an understanding of what they're being taught there is a good pastor though now he's nothing like Mike Todd you all remember the the Easter service fiat i call fiasco he defends it but even other services like that where you've got the stage lights the pyrotechnics and so forth people moving around and so forth and and all this no at this particular church this this church is that i'm talking about now is so unlike Mike Todd's church yeah that that's that's so on Mike Todd that's so on Steven furtick that's so on td jakes that's so not like any apostle bishop whomever it's just not it it's just not you can't get saved off of in christ alone but no that's not it's not going to work where the lights at where's the smoke machine where's the fireworks where the where the half naked ladies on stage dancing come on that that's not church that was back in what the 1800s nobody's going to get saved off of that stuff but we know better that is sugar land bible churches so if you happen to be in the in the houston area then and you're looking for a church if you're in the houston area and you're looking for a church sugar land bible church is a good church to go to as a matter of fact the senior pastor there is a good teacher good man his name is dr andy woods not the andy woods that is now the pastor of what's his name's church i forgot his name already the guy that the guy that's that's fighting with the spc rick warn not the pastor of saddleback church no this andy woods is actually legitimate this guy now we talk about some of these pastors we're not talking about the pastors because we like everything about their teaching of the doctrine we'll get to that in the second but andy woods is a solid teacher now is he flamboyant no he's not is he is he crafty with his words no as a matter of fact as a matter of fact the bible says this paul tells us this he says the spirit of the lord is upon me i'm sorry i went to the wrong person he says in first Corinthians chapter two verse one he says and when i came to you brethren i did not come with superiority or craftiness some version may say of speech or wisdom proclaiming to you the testimony of god for look he says i determined to know nothing among you except jesus christ and him crucified so his whole point is to show that i'm gonna let the word speak for itself i'll give you the word and that'll be enough now is there a way when a pastor preaches should he be able to delivered in such a way because let's be clear no preacher wants to give a word and while he's preaching survey the audience and see people sleep you don't want people nodding off no so you want to be able to deliver deliver in such a way that keeps the audience's attention but the only way let me just say this for anyone who is a perspective preacher or pastor the only way that excitement can come out of your mouth and that you can deliver this word in a way that captivates the audience is if the audience understands the level of passion and joy that you have coming out of it so it's one thing to get up and sing and you just kind of just hallelujah that kind of you don't like it it's almost like you're forced to be up there singing versus the person who's just into it that invites you to kind of join them and work same thing with a preacher if the preacher want if he knows his stuff he can make it relate in the middle of preaching there might be a story that pops up that kind of relates to this that you can use to convey the the point to the to the audience because he is so into the word the word matters the word is important the word is up most superiority in his mind and so you can hear it coming out what did paul say i'm not ashamed of the gospel because what the gospel is power and so that we see but now unlike him and i pushed the button a little too too prematurely but unlike him we've got also in the houston area now if you're looking for a church i said in the houston area you can go to this man's church which is andy woods now don't go to this other guy's church smile and joe no you're not going to get what you what you need you might get what you're looking for if what you're looking for is motivation the spirit of the lord is upon me to declare the year of god's favor to announce freedom to the captives the recovery of sight to the blind good news to the poor asia went around declaring favor freedom victory all those that would receive it those that would let those words take root would see it so his whole point is just good stuff good stuff good stuff good stuff and on top of that more good stuff declaring freedom declaring declaring favor uh the acceptable year of the lord now he didn't break that down and he'll never break that down you'll never hear an expository sermon from joel ostie won't ever happen but you leave there not being convicted and there's a problem with a pastor who does not think that we ought to at at some point in time flesh out sin sin is a problem so much so that is what sent the world in chaos and god has always had a problem with sin has always had a problem with sin but not according to joel as a matter of fact when confronted about sin he doesn't talk about it as a matter of fact he kind of deflects no i can't well here's my thing there is i can't judge somebody's heart you know i don't know only god can look at somebody's heart and so i don't know i just to me it's not my business to say you know this one is or this one isn't i'm just saying here's what the bible teaches and i want to put my faith in okay first of all joel it is your business because you're a pastor it is your business to let people know what is and what is not according to the scriptures you can't hide behind the pulpit you can't duck the real world issues now this is at a time when these questions are being brought up to him about issues that now the world say the world will tell us that these have been decided issues of the alphabet group or gay marriage when this was not this was before it was even hotly contested this was when the world especially america felt like for the most part that no that was wrong however we see what's happened now maybe if people like joel would have kept their foot on the gas well of course this is never on the gas but if folks like him would have just been pastoral if people like him was would have called balls and strikes and said what is a sin what is not then maybe if we had more pastors that way who would not maybe we had more pastors who who had a little bit a little just a little bit of a backbone and not afraid to offend then maybe we wouldn't be at this point just maybe you know in christ and i just i think it's wrong when we go around saying you know you're not going you're not going you're not going because it's not exactly my wife do and that's to bring hope to people to try to lift people and to try to get people interested that are not necessarily churchgoers and i think that's where you know we've seen a lot of favor and like i mentioned earlier a lot of people that watch don't go to church and so you know i just feel like that god's giving us all different gifts and and i just i stay focused on what god's called me to do you know in what he calls you do smile and joe to tell people about their sin to also point them to the cross to break open the book and to break down the word isn't that what what god has called you to do if you say that you have this this calling we'll talk about that in a little bit uh but if that's your delay and you're supposed to be in shouldn't you be doing that i think you should i think you should by the way uh thank you love you for the super chat i appreciate that but joe that's supposed to be doing it's it's it's your job requirement it literally is your job requirement to to be a certain way and you can't be apologetic about it you can't you cannot be apologetic about what the job description says if you are a policeman and someone has committed a crime you cannot apologize for arresting them that is your job it's like apologize to the fire if you're a firefighter that is not what we're supposed to be doing but again i i think that if we had more less pastors like you and you know who are afraid to they they they bring you on these platforms and ask you questions on larry king on 60 minutes to ask you these questions so maybe instead of having 30 000 members maybe you have 29 000 28 000 you still have a lot joe uh imagine imagine if joe holstein preached the gospel imagine if a mic tired of the world preached the gospel wouldn't that be something stood up i think i think that would be a good thing if pastors even in the face of questions that are obvious these folks throw softball questions for you to answer according to the bible and you don't have to apologize you can just say this is what the bible teaches and it's what i say if we could have had more of these sort of pastors right here telling how it is according to the word maybe we'd be in a better situation god is spoken on this issue and he hasn't stuttered you know there are two answers to every question god dances and everybody else is and everybody else is wrong when they disagree with him oh i'm not concerned about marginalization at all you're not supposed to stand with him even if i'm in the minority and so her question was to uh dr evans was are you are you afraid of being marginalizable no for what i'm i'm comfortable in my own skin i'm comfortable in what i'm doing and i'll i'll talk matter of fact i'll talk about it right now tony evans is now there are some who might not like some of the things that that he said i've disagreed on some things now full disclosure at one point in time he was he was also my pastor so obviously i love the man do i agree with everything no there's that but then again there's no one that i agree with on everything unless you happen to have written a book in the bible then i agree with you other than that there might be some things i disagree with but what he really is he's a pastor more than anything else and he's not a johnny come lately but this 47 years he's been doing this everybody wants a crown without heaven across you must make serving god submitting to god and following god the most important thing in your life and as for me and my house we go serve the lord if you're not operating in authority as a way of living don't come and jump authority just when you get in trouble even though god has promises the promises won't occur until you repent for the sins that got you in the mess in the first place a doer of the word not only wants to read the bible not only wants to hear the preacher preach the bible but here it is they want to see themselves in the bible i will say this there are some things that he said that a lot of folks have maybe misunderstood um y'all recall the issue when told him he made he coined the phrase uh trans dispensationalism and people thought that he was preaching or teaching that people who don't hear the gospel um can get saved therefore even muslims would be in heaven or even that is absolutely not what he meant or what he believes i know so because i heard his teachings and so he did now the question that was asked of him is what if someone who was in a faraway country never heard the gospel and then he began to pontificate and ask or ask or think about what if this person was searching for god within what they were searching for god now this presuppose that they were searching for god and that then god would do one of three things now i won't get into that whole argument but he's tried to uh to fix it to cover it some folks are going to make up their mind they don't like them within and that's fine there's some folks gonna make up their mind they'll like a person and no matter what the person does uh the person do no wrong or the person can do no right uh make no mistake about it if anyone that goes to the church understands that he's a pastor first and foremost he's not all that concerned with what everyone else is doing with uh what's happening at this church over here at that church what he doesn't do and i appreciate this is when a person is when a person who is one of the men i said men as in males in leadership at the church if it's time for them to plan a church he's not saying let's open up oakley bible fellowship the north campus or the west campus or the east campus or no no you go and plant your church and it'd be autonomous that that that and i like that because he's not after trying to um spread his legacy he's after spreading god's way and and listen truth be told he's been doing this for 47 years starting with that little small church and how things have grown uh he's been serious and dedicated to his church and that's for when you go to when you go to oakley bible fellowship one thing you're gonna find out is that except for i think it's august uh you'll find them there virtually every sunday virtually every sunday in the pulpit now as he's got no you might see others in the in the pulpit but it used to be that you would always find him there except for august when he goes on vacation versus other churches you go there with this this pastor's jet setting all over the place going different place if you go to the potter's house here in in dallas to see tdjx there are those who want to go see him 50 50 you'll see him now you may see his daughter which i don't know why you wouldn't do that anyway but but that being the case the question is why are some pastors biblical and why are some not biblical that that is an important question because if you are wanting to be a pastor or if you're looking for a pastor there needs to be something that we need to look for so let's deal with the word in of itself first where we get the term pastor because some we're going to say well we don't have this term pastor well that comes from Ephesians 4 11 and let's look what he says and he gave this is paul uh speaking and he gave some as apostles and some as prophets and some as evangelists and some as pastors and teachers now but where the shoes here and then some are going to say that this word is only used one time in the bible well that's by a couple people the folks that will say this word is only used once in the bible are the people who tend to advocate for women being pastors and so they'll they'll make a big to do out of this word being here but first of all this word is not used only once in the bible it's not now where we get this word from and by the way if you want to call them pastor find if you want to call them what this word actually means it's fine also it still means what we mean as pastors what we understand to be a pastor this word some as pastors the greek word here is point may not this word means shepherd now can i ask you guys a question how many times is the word shepherd used in the bible by the way by the way go back to this passage notice it is some as pastors and shepherd i mean pastors teachers i'm sorry pastors and teachers or shepherds teachers in other words this shepherd must be a teacher he cannot be someone who's gifted to just speak but can't teach it is understood that the pastor the preacher is a teacher you can't you can't get around that it's like saying and running back with no legs it's necessary it comes with it he's got to be able to run the ball a quarterback has to be able to throw the ball at some point in time okay a weightlifter has to be able to have some muscles and lift stuff a pastor a shepherd has to be able to teach now the question is is this word point may not is this word used only once in the bible well if i told you that the word means shepherd how often do we see this word shepherd in the bible we see a lot as a matter of fact we see it often when explaining what a pastor's role should be how do i know well let's go to where jesus is speaking to peter you all would agree that peter is a pastor or pastoral at the very least peter is confronted by jesus and by the way this is going to also help us understand something else in regards to qualifications of the elders or bishops or leaders or shepherds in the church because here is peter who after being called in ministry following christ a profess believer verbally and publicly denies jesus yeah that that sin would that keep him from ever being a shepherd again is paul i'm sorry is peter disqualified from being a shepherd well no he's not let's go to the passage jesus in let's start an inverse i'm sorry uh we're oh wrong one i'm sorry i'm in in john 21 let's start in verse 15 so when they had finished breakfast jesus said to peter or to simon peter simon son of jonah do you love me more than these he said yes lord you know that i love you couldn't tell you know that whole few days ago where you just you know just you swore to god that you didn't know me but no problem peter you swore oh that you didn't know me but i'll let that pass peter but do you love me you know i love you he said so what did he say 10 my line my lambs uh bascata arnia arnia that's lambs that's basically sheep uh he said to him a second time simon son of jon do you love me notice what it says in the nsp the king james version might say different version new king james will say different version but i'll show you it's exact same word he says he said to him yes you know that i love you uh he says he said to him shepherd my sheep the nsp says shepherd my sheep the king james version if you look at the greek even in the texas receptice it's the same word what did i say the word for shepherd was point may nice what is this word right here point may not point may which is to shepherd so it's shepherd my sheep shepherd my sheep now you could say feed that's that's fine it it it it becomes synonymous because he's not literally saying give them food but he's saying shepherd my sheep okay then he asked my third time do you love me peter was grieve because he said to him third time do you love me and he said to him lord you know all things you know that i love you he said to him tend to my sheep basque um tie proper tie which is also sheep so he calls them lambs calls them sheep but he says to shepherd them to shepherd them so where we get this term for pastor we call it pastor or if you want to call him shepherd that's fine we understand the word pastor means to be the shepherd to be he has to be an elder he must be uh what is described in first timothy and also in titans so let's go look at both of those passages we're going to deal with you're right uh layman it is by the way it is imperative as well it is in in the imperative so it's a it's a command to do so meaning that this pastor has to do that when the members are sick when the sheep are sick when the sheep are going through when when a sheep wants to kind of stray away your job is to shepherd them and your job is to shepherd them as best you possibly can are you going to do it perfectly no you are not no no you're not are you going to do it are you going to make a lot of mistakes yes you will you bet your bottom dollar you will as a matter of fact again looking at peter here we've got peter who is causing not only not only sending himself but is also causing barnabas and the other jews who are believers to sin when he pulls back from the gentiles when the jews show up i think peter gives a good picture a good depiction of what a shepherd is loving the lord passionate but will make mistakes it is it is going to happen but he is ferocious um when he can be that's what a pastor that's what a shepherd should be when danger shows up the shepherd is to take his ride take his staff take his stick take whatever and defend the sheep you know how much or your values of shepherd by how much you defend the sheep there are going to be times where sometimes you do the wrong thing to a sheep there are sometimes when you don't defend the sheep at all sometimes you might ignore the you got all these sheep and then you know what some of them get kind of lost in the shuffle that happens when brought to your attention you need to rectify that because you there's not one sheep that you should love over the other now there let's be honest though there are some sheep that are problematic i'll never forget this time that i was talking to our senior pastor and there was one guy who he was a handful he was a jerk and the pastor wanted him gone he wanted him gone and i understood why i won him gone because he was he was a handful he was he there were times when he was a jerk if there was a such thing as a male Karen back then in the 90s late 90s or 2000 then then yeah he would fit that he was he was just uh but he was young and developing and so i said to him i said uh this was i i excuse the uh the young man and and the pastor and i were talking i said uh that's that's your sheep i know he's a jerk i know we want to put him out in the middle of the street while traffic's coming i know but god didn't call you you're not here to shepherd the good sheep only the ones that will follow um because what happens when they in turn decide to be a little bit wayward no you've got to go out you have to deal with even the the difficult sheep he thought about that and so he went back to the guy and then ultimately ends ends up winning him over uh but yeah you're gonna have difficulties there are times as a pastor you feel like what you're really doing is shepherding wolves and sometimes sometimes sometimes you are shepherding wolves unbeknownst to you but you treat them like sheep and when they act like wolves you deal you deal with them like wolves you and if they're not believers you treat them that way if you find out there are certain things that you have to there are some things that you have some sort now i want i want to use this word loosely some authority according to your position but it's not ultimate authority are you with me so what i want to do is i want to look at what the uh the definitions are according to first timothy and titus we won't be there long because we've been there oftentimes so let's go to first timothy three said is a trustworthy statement let's stop right there a trustworthy statement if a man aspires to the office of overseer there are there's a question is is this a calling or is this a desire i think it's both i think it is obviously it is a desire because he says if anyone aspires to do so this is a person's own desire to do this well so then also you will have been gifted in some sort of way there's a purpose that you must fulfill if this which desired i think that god will fulfill the purpose in you if that's where he wants you to be let's just be clear there are awful lot of pastors who should not be pastoring who just do not qualify who just do not qualify so we'll look at that now this word that's used here is the word uh episcopate episcopate uh which is this office who aspires to this office of an overseer this episcopate so this person it's a fine work that he desires to do and overseer then must be above reproach we won't run through all of these but we'll deal with these as as it comes later above reproach the husband of one wife temperate prudent respectable now if you're a pastor it it isn't these things and i don't when i say isn't these things i don't mean that he is ten out of ten out of a ten on all of these no there no no pastor in the history of the world has ever been a perfect ten on any on all of these just it just hadn't been you might find somebody who is now i take it well the husband of one wife you can be a ten out of ten on that but being temperate prudent respectable hospitable able to teach there's no one who is ten out of ten there's no perfect score on all of these so they're going and there are going to be times where hey you call the pastor on a bad day and he snapped he's he snapped you know or he just was a little rude that happens that happens uh able to teach able to teach able to teach able to teach able to teach able to teach able to did i said enough able to teach able to teach you'd be able to open the word listen it's a it's the tool it's the tool of the trade you gotta be able to open the word and to preach what the word says amen that that that's that's a requirement able to teach not addicted to it says wine but i'm gonna say not addicted to anything pugnacious it's violent violent physically or violent with your words instead you must be gentle peaceable yeah there shouldn't be all these fights breaking up in your church free from the love of money i think it's a good thing to make sure that the pastor doesn't have his hands in the offering whatever they give them whatever they give them and not always constantly asking for this offering of that offering would have you you've been to a church where there's multiple offerings i hated that well they'll say ushers y'all close the doors no one leaves until we get another five hundred dollars another thousand dollars anyway and that happens he must be one who manages his own household we'll do with this part in the second who manages his own household um keeping his children under control with all dignity but if a man does not know how to manage his own household how will he take care of the church or god now in the other passage in timothy it indicates about children being believers but i would say that that has to that that must mean children in his household because it says its own household with a child is out of your household it's not your household anymore uh and not a new convert that makes sense but unfortunately we've got a lot of new converts and i'm when i say new converts i mean they became saved two years ago five years ago i think five years ago as a being saved in what is it 2023 being saved in 2018 i don't think you're really you're ready to be a pastor it's just my opinion there's no actual number tied to new uh so we can't say what the actual number is but yeah some of these guys they get saved and it is wow so anyway that being the case uh so that he does not become conceded and fall into kind of nation there's a big problem that we have nowadays we have a lot of conceded pastors who believe that they are the biotic man i think i told you the story about when i was working on when i was working for Edward Jones and my office was in the same office as tdj so i would see them from time to time as a matter of fact in his office i had a lot of clients in his office and i'll never forget this that i wasn't a fan of his at the time anyway this was uh at this time i was at another church and uh the person that was grooming me was a professor at dts at doubt these are phallus illogical seminary so therefore the word was important to me and i'll never forget i was leaving on his floor catching the elevator to go down to my office and it was tdjakes and i think he had i think it was four four body guards with him yeah yeah four body guards and so them that's five plus me the six of us and we we could fit on the elevator no problem the elevator came there were two elevators and the elevator came and the guy put his hands out hey listen you mind can you please wait can you catch the next elevator uh no no i've got to get back i'll tell you what you catch the next elevator i've got to get to work i'm not going to think i'm gonna do something to him you got four body guards i'm not gonna jump this man right now so so i said i think i said something silly like hey tell him bishop you okay uh he just he had this little smirk on his face and turned and looked the other way he didn't say a word but now i contrasted that with the first the very first time that i met tony evans i knocked on his door he came had a white t-shirt he was eating he was he was eating a ham and cheese sandwich he didn't live in a mansion he didn't live in a gated community decent house uh it's not the slowest decent house and he was just respectful talking to me as a matter of fact when i first met i was like whoa it's tony evans i didn't realize he lives here totally different if you meet the two you'll understand two different personalities my pastor at the time different just down-to-earth people i told you when i i used to be at the church of god in christ and my pastor was a bishop bishop watson down-to-earth he was a pastor i didn't agree with the doctrine but in terms of how he handled himself and how he loved his people learned so much learned about how to be a man from him i really did now learn how from my father i'm talking about being a godly man and dealing with church folk tdj's not so much not so much anyway says he must have a good reputation with those outside of the church so that he will not fall into reproach and a snare of the devil that means this guys the pastor has to be thought of well inside the church obviously but also outside the church why is that because who are you trying to bring in the church those outside and if they know that you a snake in the grass if they know that you're no good they see you at you know on the street corners in the clubs with them yeah and and some of them do some of them do so now i want to look at the qualifications from titus and titus it's uh where are we at i should there it is in chapter one verse five he's saying to appoint elders the the greek word is presbyteros which is presbyter or elders so he wants him to appoint elders he's getting the same virtually the same qualifications that he's giving that he's given to in in uh in first Timothy he says namely if a man in the word is t so it's a certain person but we'll find out it's a male in a second is above reproach the husband of one wife again we've we've covered this before this is me as knikas anir which is a one woman man having children who believe we've covered before uh not accused of dissipation or rebellion for the overseer must be above reproach as gods steward not self-willed huh not self-willed not self-willed you won't listen to anybody you are you're stubborn you're about yourself okay not quick tempered there i've met a lot of pastors who have this because they think it's more about them they're concerned about how they come across you can't tell me anything not addicted to wine not pugnacious again not fond of sort of gain but hospitable loving what is loving what is good hey man yeah i'm sorry skilly child it is it's horrible it is horrible i blame these folks from california moving here with this traffic anyway back to it but hospitable loving what is good sensible just devout self-control holding fast the faith here the faithful word which is in accordance with the teaching so that he will able to be able to both exhort in sound doctrine and to refute those who contradict so guess what he's also going to have to do at some point in time he's going to have to refute those deal with those confront those people who have this bad doctrine that's it's it's more and more the case more and more the case but now something that's past has to do let's look at what peter says now again this is the peter who has fallen peter probably has the dirtiest knees of all the apostles he's he's fallen so many times got on his knees and begged for forgiveness enough times but again when we talk about these things that that make a pastor biblical and unbiblical it's got to be up here but it also has to be here now you all know what i'm saying so first peter one i mean five one he says therefore i exhort the elders same word this used by uh by paul to titus among you as your fellow elder and witness of the sufferings of christ and a partaker also of the glory that has to be revealed there that there that word again that word is there again that word for and i tell you which is to shepherd shepherd the flock of god among you exercising oversight look look how he says to do so though not under compulsion but voluntarily according to the will of god in other words i'm gonna make you do it out but i'm gonna make you well your your authority is only given to you by the word of god and the folks who want to follow the word of god what are you gonna do there's a level of skill and wisdom that has to go into this i'm gonna tell you something about myself in just a second in this but he says not lording it over those allotted to you those allotted to you how you mean tell me god is the one that gives these to us uh to your charge but proving proving here's what pastors ought to be to be examples to the flock and when the chief shepherd the chief shepherd the arch shepherd the high shepherd appears you will receive the unfading crown of glory meaning if you just do this if you're faithful over this god will take care of you there are preachers out there that are looking to um make this out of make this to be a means of gain this is their come up this is their side hustle this is their gig no this is a lifestyle now there are benefits in serving the lord as we're told in the old testament may not always be money may not always be your paycheck and even in then uh you might want to make sure now this is where your wisdom comes because you want to be an example you want to make sure that what you get what you receive from the people it's just not out of it's just it's kind of commiserate with your people in other words you're getting 300 000 a year from the church and you've got a flock full of poor people who love giving they love giving so you take advantage of that and so i've got this nice car this nice car and that's no now if you make your i don't have a problem with the pastor who has his own money from other things but even still you you want to be careful how it appears if a pastor decides to have a second house i don't i really don't have a problem with that i really don't um i don't care what you do with your money i don't i really don't as long as you are faithful with the money that's been given as a matter of fact how about if you've got enough money that you make on your own then don't take the money that they give you that now this is just me is there a way to say how to do so build no no yeah i agree with that layman's i mean i i think that there ought to be what i have envisioned i told you guys before that is my um my desire first in three to plan a church not a hundred percent on it but i'm pretty close to it at some point in time i want to have a portion of the of the building or buildings where we need to partner with the seminary or we just do our own teaching just to get people happy to learn the word of God to have folks who come in and teach them a little bit of Hebrew Greek church history things like that all these different ways to work themselves through the bible for because the point of this is that you can intelligently and lovingly convey it to others now my experience in ministry before going to prison i never i never i was never the senior pastor some folks might have thought i was never the senior pastor um i was a youth pastor an associate pastor and did different things and in some on some occasions it was just me just you know following along um and i initially i didn't take it as serious as i should have but people do look up to you and expect certain things from they expect you to know your they'll ask you questions because guess what's not always accessible the senior pastor is not always and we use this term yes granted the senior pastor is not a biblical term but you all know what i'm talking about the senior pastor is not always available to answer questions or what have you so you have to be there as a matter of fact i was trained to be the hand to be the person that would do just what the pastor would do and so that pastor would not naturally have to be accessible to the men that he's training to eat the whom he would later on send off to plant churches on their own because that's the goal it's not to to uh make the church out to be your legacy there are a lot of pastors who want their church to be their legacy when they die the church dies no that's not no no it shouldn't be that way matter of fact the last the second last church that was that no third last church i was at now think about it uh there was no picture of the pastor you didn't find his name and i like that because this is doctor so-and-so's church this is our church and whoever happens to be the pastor at the time will then so be it but i think well at least for me um i had to learn i had to grow i had to um take serious what was happening and and i did um but it's still a different level than being the senior pastor once i got to prison and and it was weird my thought was okay i'll just study for me i'll just study and uh however god uses me how is however god used me in a couple of places there were there was no uh chaplain where there was a chaplain but there was a chaplain on the legend that was it and so i ended up being the person who ended up shepherding the other people the other men i would much rather shepherd people outside of prison than inside of prison yeah you you think your church has issues no no i can promise you this they ain't no listen you ain't seen the fight like you seen the prison church fight so ashley you'd have to i don't want to tell it out loud uh email me now i'll tell you where i go i may have said a couple times before though um and here's the reason why i don't say it because there are you all have no idea there are legitimate troublemakers who will go and call and harass the church just call them and just you know make so so but if you want to know i'll i'll let you know it's just just email me but that being the case i developed an even greater love of the people there were men who they just needed somebody to pour into them and so here i am they would they just wanted someone to explain but sometimes it's not even so much explaining the things to it what does this verse mean what does this sometimes they just simply wanted to have someone show them that they matter i could let the muslims do it i could let the gangs do it or i can let the christians do it and i think that's what the pastors ought to ought to be doing out there on this side that pastor ought to be concerned about the people so much so that he might not get the kind of sleep that he wants you know i i need to thank you jeff jeff says if i need some security know who to call i actually had a guy who we were we were this was in prison and a man was just insulting me i was whatever do i i was just taking it and um a man fred fred had fred had fist as big as horse knuckles fred was and he was he was growing and fred just you can see these two big old fists and he said i mean i'm about to go punch him if he says i said no fred let this man go he's okay you're okay that's not that's not we're not gonna settle this this issue he's just talking he's just talking now i'm getting to fight and i'm getting beat if i get in the fight i'm on the ground you're gonna get it no i'm kidding but there are a lot of men like that who today and the next day they may not look they made to you look like the same person that person ain't safe but then you pull back the covers a little bit you see this this guy is this guy's growing this guy's growing yeah he he got rid of his shank or he stopped cussing he stopped this rage is ain't gone and this is where the prayer came in lord where do you want me what what is it and and then whatever it's going to be um prepare me would you say yeah yeah that's true layman no no dino no no and i'm not i'm not looking for a security it may you know what though it may get to the point to where pastors uh need a security detail outside of church now some churches uh do have a security detail matter of fact what's funny is if you go to oakland bible fellowship what you're gonna notice is a large police presence and it's not for safety it is for safety but uh it's a major it's a busy street that come on so they're controlling the traffic and so forth and so you'll see police coming in and out of the building so forth and so that's one of those buildings you probably don't want to mess with but it's getting to the point to where church are now becoming targets so that's a good thing about texas though you know you pull up in a church in texas you can pretty much expect somebody there is lawfully carrying and can shoot or at least wants to shoot so but i want to talk about um not just the surface level qualifications of a pastor but i want to go through just the practical application of a pastor this person his maturity level how he is seen by others needs to be top-notch not to be the most mature person the wisest of all people that when you look at him you look at him as though he's a great grandpa no but you ought to see some level of wisdom some level of maturity you need to be able to see some self-control the difference between a mature person and an immature person is self-control they're not looking to make a spectacle of themselves they're not after their name or their fame they are out to present or to put a spotlight on the greatest superstars i said before you are famous now and you think that you're that you're a great person you can be the prettiest the strongest the smartest but there's always going to be someone who's going to come behind you who's going to be prettier who's going to be smarter it's going to be strong it's going to be wiser more clever there's always going to be somebody but as long as you and i live as long as you and i got skin and eyelashes there will never ever ever ever be a more important or a greater person than jesus and so as paul says i don't profess to know anything except him crucified that's who i'll magnify and so the pastor's first job is to magnify him but not just magnify him in word but also to magnify him indeed with your hands in showing love in showing commitment to the people that's the pastor's uh responsibility matter of fact that that that's fine uh he's would you say you you think i think you're i guess you're saying michael brown that's fine if you think michael brown exposes uh you're biased in your understanding scripture possibly what do you what do you want me to do with that what what and the reason why i'm i'm pulling it out is because i'm trying to show you an example of maturity so the immature pastor would say no he didn't no he didn't i beat i beat him five ways i i just no hey i destroyed you okay if you feel that way you see how that worked so that way you walk away feeling like you got your point across and i walk away not giving any any really thought to it because it's not a point to be made now if you had a point i would say this is what i would say to a person i would say what you need to do what you need to do is tell me how what what points did he make i'm not forcing an intellectual system what do you want me to do what and this is what would you rather me do would you rather me get up here and spout off someone else's belief someone else's understanding well then i should what make what sense would that make i'm trying to be an example that's why i tell you how i think how i see these things and so if you want to come back and correct me hey you know so yeah actually so i think a pastor needs to be at the root of all things he needs to be one focused on christ he needs to be a humble servant to be a humble servant you need to first be a servant within you also need to be humble a servant who is humble a prideful servant is serving looking for his own opportunities think about uh ghazi in second kings he was a servant of elisha but what did he want he was looking for his own and what did i say is it time for us to get male and female servants oxen and so no no maybe later but not right now so i'm not saying you're saying that either but greatly what i'm trying to you understand is that you making that statement doesn't do anything matter of fact first of all you make you make the statement at the wrong time we're not talking about times right now so but it's fine i try to be open uh and approach which is the one thing that i do struggle with getting my time down there's some things that i want to be better at my my uh efficiency so that when someone wants to speak with me i have that i've got myself available that's a hard thing to do you're not going to always be available which means you have to also pour into other people so that they can do the same thing in your absence just like when moses his father-in-law said hey get some men to help you out you can't do this on your own what does jesus do he jesus pours into these men so that when they when he leaves they are going to take the gospel and spread it and then also train and teach other men to do the exact same thing so and that's what a person ought to be if you're a humble servant that's what you're trying to do as a humble servant um you're not serving yourself you're serving him which means i need some more help i need have have any of you all ever seen have any of you ever seen let's say uh a mother you've seen a mother but a mother a grandmother an aunt great aunt who is in the kitchen cooking for the family and she's delegating here take this out here do this do that and she's not looking for any accolades if someone says hey grandma oh that was so that that didn't do anything for her as long as you were fed as long as you ate if you wanted some more there's more she just has this this servant this humble servant attitude that's that that that's kind of the picture of a pastor not the woman part not the woman part but just the attitude the servant attitude uh and so didn't didn't now you would go ahead and and speak to her and say this was so good and it didn't go to her head it didn't go to her head because once she thanks god that she has the ability to do so and then even has the mean to do so and that's that's the way a pastor should be a pastor should get up give the word and sit down not looking for now because what thing is going to happen if you do it well enough somebody's going to pat you on the back and so you need to be able to take those those compliments and move on do not let the compliments go to your head i promise you they can they they absolutely can and i didn't have to be from someone of the opposite sex because when a man gives you a compliment it goes you hit this as much as the woman give you a compliment same thing it really does and so you've got to be grounded and humble which means you better have a good family support system tell you to also let you know the same thing you better have a wife that will tell you hey listen shut up you it wasn't that good is it a sin to get an abortion yes it is if you had an abortion you can be forgiven but yes it is a sin to get an abortion so a pastor needs to be a teacher again he has to be teaching i i i wonder what the teaching ministry looks like at somebody like a mike Todd's church i wonder what the teaching ministry looks like at a teeny jakes's church um apostle soul in a soul church you name the apostle i was watching someone's video last night it's like this guy he was he was teaching wow and i'm i mean wow in a bad way the bible doesn't say that she can't be a woman well yeah it does actually but then the bible doesn't say that she could be a woman the pastor could be a woman like what are you saying friend be devoted to the word instead of society but that's what pastors are going for nowadays um and especially those who want to call themselves apostle or prophet or whatever but that's what we have nowadays apostle it's hard to be humble but they don't want everyone to call you by this particular title first and foremost is the word now the most important thing is because you have to make sure that you qualify women do not qualify as pastors sorry they as a matter of fact as a matter of fact let's go back to this passage in first peter five now they'll they'll they will be quick to bring up that and i'll bring this pastor up again because i'll mention this person a little later but they'll be quick to bring up about how first timothy too is speaking about this or paul in first corinthians is talking about this it's the culture and so forth right okay fine so we've got letters addressed to different people first corinthians first timothy titus but then peter enters a fray as well and we don't think that peter enters this fray about a pastor but look what peter says he says and when the chief shepherd appears you will receive the unfading crown of glory look what he says you are younger you you younger men likewise be subject to your elders and all of you clothe yourselves with humility toward one another so now who is he contrasting who is you younger men likewise likewise to who yep so here he is speaking speaking about elder elder who men not women because every don't need for him address um young men or younger men and of course there's always been a principle how the younger men are to look up to the older men older men ought to teach the younger men uh whether they are irrespective of whether they're a pastor or not but in this context speaking of a shepherd so and obviously the shepherd is also he's he's contrasting these the older men who are shepherds or if you're shepherd with the younger men so again it's not it should not be a mystery but again the society says so that women can be pastors will find fine women if you want to be a pastor be a pastor you will deal with the consequences not from me not from the rest of us you will deal with the consequences from god trying to save you from some heartache and some pain maybe even saving you literally from hell so but the bible is clear but this person is trying to make women qualified but just on the same vein not all men are qualified what determines if the person is qualified well the bible does so a qualified pastor is a biblical pastor and unqualified pastor is an unbiblical pastor what are the qualifications it says so and again i know there's there there's one guy said he he said that i was not qualified to be a pastor he knew i wouldn't qualify to be a pastor because because of my view that i don't believe that old testament saints were regenerated he said that's obvious that's how i knew he believed and then proceeded not to give a scripture to say how they were regenerated i said before i don't think they were they might be give me scripture give me scripture and i'm i'm fine with saying i am i'm so fine with saying that they were regenerated if i have a scripture if i don't have a scripture then i won't do you see how you can see how my fidelity to the scripture um how it works i'm only going to say what it says even even if it leads to to a possible conclusion even that's what it's conveying you have no one in the history of bible has earned the right to say that they were regenerated in the old testament that their hearts were regenerated they were born again in the old testament when all along god is saying i will do this in the future to their hearts no one now if you think that's the case then fine it's an easy it's an easy way to win the argument just show me the passage but if you are a pastor and i'm going somewhere with this yes ash i will i will do send me an email on that too but if you are a pastor and you think you think that anyone who disagrees with your doctrine or your biblical understanding is unqualified then you sir don't get it you don't get it because guess what every pastor is going to do it's going to be wrong on something it's going to make a mistake on something something not going to leave so that being the case when you so harshly say that he can't be qualified because he doesn't he doesn't believe that okay we'll find you can't be qualified if you don't give me a scripture see how that works you can't be qualified because um you live in illinois or you live in florida goofy things if i don't have a scripture then i i could say anything right again our fidelity to the scripture is of the utmost importance that's what a true pastor focuses on that's his what does he say he says that let's go back to what what peter says he he says shepherd verse two of chapter five verse i'm at first peter five shepherd the flock of god among you exercising oversight louis says not under compulsion but volunteer voluntarily according to the will of god and not for a sordid game so how do we how do we do so according to the will of god with his word so that's all that's all we got that is literally all we have is his word we have the holy spirit but the spirit told me to do this but you said no the spirit told me to do that well okay let's go to the word then let's go to the word amen so what i'll do is i'll probably i may come back and cut this part i'm not sure but if you all have any questions regarding this issue of past only over pastors only over pastors uh please feel free to ask away questions regarding pastors amen opponents must be uh generally instructed in the hope that god will grant them repentance leading to them but not amen which is why when you deal with someone who is a knuckle a knucklehead or a nutcase uh then you must your thought is the possibility of you winning them is of utmost importance the possibility of you winning them is of utmost importance are all sins equal and is it a sin for a woman to be a pastor or call us if it is it's it's going against what god has called him so that's a sin it's wrong for her is a sin for her to call herself a pastor now is that an unforgivable sin no uh but she keeps doing it every day so every day you are not only being a sinner you are living you are living in sin and you're saying i don't care this issue about let me address this issue about Phoebe Paul does call her a servant didn't say that she was in the office of servant she's a servant we all are servants does that mean that we're all deacons Paul is giving little qualifications for this particular office a woman now a woman preaching is in and of itself a woman preaching is not a sin in and of itself a woman preaching is let me say it again not a sin let's obviously a woman preaching other women or the children that's not a sin but what if she's out on the street and somebody has just totally wrong got it totally wrong and and and she says no this is what the says the bible says this is she wrong no no by the way she's not even taking authority over a person in church this guy is not even a believer so remember the woman at the well what does she do she goes back and tells the men at the hey listen i found them aside he told me this and that or whatever now is she given a a a a doctrine discourse no she's not doing that uh but she is she's proclaiming what she's just heard who she just met come see a man and what do they do they go now is she called to be can she be in the office no she cannot be no she cannot be um hold on one second i might be able to i'm not sure if it's related if it's really because i don't want to get into a q and a over just anything tell you what elijah drop a comment or an email immediately after this and i'll i'll do you one better i'll just make a video over that okay elijah i'll do that for you so drop a comment or an email immediately after this video and i and i will make a video send me an email or drop a comment and i'll do that immediately okay you mean in the pulpit though let's say for example let's let's let's give us a for example let's say i bring up mary mary has an awesome testimony and i want you guys to hear the testimony is it wrong for that no it's not wrong for mary to give me her testimony uh and in this testimony she's telling you some truths about the about the gospel she's telling about who jesus is and what he's done and so forth and her recognizing and how it's working no she's not teaching she's not exercising authority over man or whatever so it now if this everyday thing well now we got a problem because now one the appearance of how it looks whatever but is it is it possible is does does that does that violate anything no um but you gotta be careful you gotta be careful one because of the the message that it may send so if she's up and she's given her testimony i've seen i've seen a lot of men who who uh do not believe that women can be pastors they may have a guest in and she's just covering that she's doing that she's not trying to teach anyone she's not taking over or excuse me any of those things okay so similarly with a woman who is in the uh up there singing leading you know uh leading a song can people use mary and deborah to justify women pastors no they can't because first of all neither they were pastors deborah was a judge and oh by the way in the great hall of fame hall of fame faith hall of fame and in he was 11 barak is the one who is mentioned as the one having faith and not deborah interesting huh mary was not a pastor mary was told to go tell the other men hey jesus come see jesus jesus is awake jesus got up jesus jesus rose she wasn't and people said well she was the first preacher no she wasn't no she was not the first preacher what do you think what do you think the disciples are doing while jesus was walking around with them what they weren't doing anything huh no stop saying that they mary did not go to the disciples and tell them give them the gospel all she did was telling that jesus is has arisen come see him come meet him that was it and so people say that because they want to take the scriptures and twist them well then why didn't why didn't why didn't christ um appoint her for the leadership why didn't paul or peter anyone else commended for that the the women who were prophetesses in the bible just like there were men who were prophets in the bible um were prophesying the spirit came upon them remember we're talking about a time where there was no bible so people had to give a revelation now they would give a revelation supernatural because they didn't have the book so after after the apostles then secondly the uh the prophets those folks who are going around giving a revelation now are these women who are also prophetesses whatever who are prophesying are these the same ones that that uh paul is speaking of in the order the foundation of the church and so forth i don't think so i don't i don't think so um because anybody today can give a revelation even then anyone can give a revelation this holy spirit comes upon you and you can give a revelation of god either by what the scriptures say or a revelation of what he's done in you because the word revelation or the or this prophecy doesn't necessarily mean a foretelling it's just it can be a foretelling forth or fourth f or rt eighth fourth telling just a revelation of what god has done amen what if you desire to preach but lack leadership skills a couple things you can do one get the leadership skills get one get get up under some man to help you grow to be a leader leadership skills can be taught you just follow and see what what's being happened you may find out that a person can preach but should not be a pastor you could just be a someone who encourages the in gift of encouragement there are those that are that are gifted with the ability to encourage there are those who can preach but they cannot leave but what would they be called how about an evangelist paul says preach the word in season nine season fulfill your ministry as an evangelist so every ministry is evangelistic in nature so maybe that's what you're going to be just an evangelist amen if a man possesses all the qualifications of being a pastor should he automatically be one even if he has no desire no the desire has to be there you don't force someone there's a lot of men that they qualify but just they should not be also their purpose might be somewhere else there I know some professors who would make wonderful pastors or I would think they would but that's not what they want to do they want to they want to keep teaching so that's fine would a woman reading a transcript of any chorus teaching videos about the lessons somehow no that would not no that would not matter of fact she might listen if you're not kidding I'm going to say something silly I'm going to say that no no no woman can be a pastor so I currently attend a church that will that will be a woman as a pastor should I know you should not continue to him if if she's going to continue to pastor then you should that's not a church it's not it's not one ordained by the scriptures and if it's not ordained by the scriptures then it's not ordained by God so now where you at you're at a gathering a secular a secular a secular gathering so no I would not there are some deal breakers that's one if you can be regenerating the Old Testament Jesus would need to come with me um no I wouldn't I wouldn't say that I wouldn't say that I wouldn't say that I'll I'll I'll cover that later I'll tell you send me an email it's in a comment so I can sort of like I don't address it now thank you Stephen Smith which I appreciate that it is page it is it is can they be in the pulpit for any sort of reasons I mean there's there's some reason they could like she comes give a testimony um so he comes give an announcement she's singing um there's a lot of different reasons but as long as she's not in this office um and as long as she's not giving or presenting herself as authoritative and leading any serpent of man's authority but then uh we have we have what we can do what we can't be how important is it for a pastor to do hospital visits for their members it is important now the large of the church is going to be it's not going to be practical there's nothing wrong with having a large church of mega church a thousand two thousand five thousand members ten thousand members it'd be kind of hard for you to past I mean to go visit all the members at the hospital but there there should but you should have on your on your schedule sometime listen I would say I don't I'm throwing a number I'm throwing out at least five or ten twenty times a year you should be at somebody's hospital you should be somewhere because especially and I think this it's not like you got members dying all the time if you got a member that certainly especially the more critical ones those that might be in hospice care you know they're they're in their last days those that their care might be terminal I think those you definitely have to go see this this is your sheep getting ready to leave possibly so I think I think in those cases you definitely have to what does it mean when someone says that I was called into ministry oftentimes it doesn't mean anything oftentimes it's just them saying I gotta I've gotta um itching I saw somebody on stage preaching and I like that oftentimes it's them calling themselves now is there something that God may have purposed in someone that that is but again we'll know so we will know if this person has a genuine calling on their life if they meet these qualifications so how can you with how can you with the scriptures show a person that women pastoring the church being the shepherd over the congregation and teaching men is not scripture just by going to again in first Timothy three and also Titus the person is a male it is a male he's a shepherd and then Paul Paul Peter says in first Peter five the pastor that that I just uh conveyed in first Peter five that this that this is clearly an older man and so he contrasts with the young men and so first Peter five I think verse Peter what is that first Peter five where is this at first Peter five well the reason why I can't find it because I'm in the wrong in the wrong one okay where's this is first Peter five first Peter five where's this at oh you know what I did I had first Peter five but then I clicked off of it first Peter five I think is five one through eight first Peter five one through I'm trying to figure out the exact verse it might be seven or eight that says that so but then you turn around and ask them give me a pastor that says that they can be a pastor that they qualify why would God give the qualifications and then we turn around ignore the qualifications don't sit and say they'll tell you that first Timothy two by the way Peter and first Timothy and second Timothy he's he's teaching pastors he's teaching Timothy how to go and to plant churches how to be elders and how to plant them same thing with Titus and so why we then have these how why we then have these qualifications for what an elder or a priest or a bishop or a pastor should be and then turn around and ignore that that would make any sense he literally takes time to give us these qualifications and then we turn around and ignore the qualifications oh well that was just cultural well if it was cultural why did he why do we bother have this cultural letter for just them given to all of us because then there's no other application and if that's the case those because I can promise you this I can I can't promise you this but I can all with with most certainty most churches most churches that will say that will allow for a woman to be a pastor and they'll say that first Corinthians 14 that's for this culture the women were being this way same thing with first Timothy two that was just cultural what do they do with the rest of the book ask them is the rest of the book cultural because that we have to take a lot out of those all scriptures are not inspired by God not profitable don't state the truth of proof because that's just cultural or in first Corinthians well guess what then tongues are cultural because I can promise you in most cases the folks that believe in women being pastors also believe in tongues is that cold is that cultural also the statement is being made about tongues in there that they tend to tend to miss is that cultural also so it's not it's not wait a second I'm sorry let's get some more of these questions ask you all these questions I'll answer I'll answer this one though what does it mean that woman being saved in child through childbirth that's a that's a hard question to ask because a lot of folks differ on what it means the only one that seems to make the most sense is that the childbirth or a woman being saved through childbirth that women play in their role ultimately leads to Christ but that's it there's there's it's a hard one as a matter of fact if you go and find just just type in what does that passage mean you're going to have four or five different different answers all I can tell you is this that no one knows for sure clearly shouldn't there's there's no her being saved by her simply having a child that can't be the case her having a baby if that were the case there's a whole lot of folks going to heaven and huh and then what about the folks who don't have babies so I'll tell you what I'll do Ashley that actually deserves it wait a second didn't I do I I thought I did a video over this I thought I did let me look and see if I did not do another one how about how about that Ashley uncle be senior thank you for the excuse me the super sticker uh let's see take a few more questions if my parents make me go to a women ran church does that mean that I'm saying no no it's not no well one depends on now if you're 40 years old Gabby if you're 40 well then yeah that's a problem but if you're under the the uh the roof or the leadership of your parents then no you're being obedient that's not that's not on you that's on them but I would I would speak up and say hey listen I think I think this is wrong here's why oh I without question isn't it necessary for elders to lay hands and commission a pastor to start a church how could any man just start it I think now I see what you're asking well okay let's take two let's take two examples let's say you're at a church and you decide that you want to go lead a church somewhere else I think that church should should should kind of give your vote of confidence lay hands on you and so forth whatever to say yeah I think you have to be doing that but let's say you're you are um it didn't happen because sometimes I've seen a guy was qualified and the pastor didn't want to leave now what that path and I've seen where the pastor was being selfish I think it should be though that the elder um should be appointed and commissioned or giving a vote of confidence or blessing from the church that he's under now let's say the pastor is going to a different city or he leaves lives in a different city he's moved a different city and just wants to plant a church there within okay it'd be kind of hard but I think that if at all possible that church should speak to into the life and send that person off yeah I think that's I think so is to pastor church do you have to have kids no you don't have to no Paul didn't um and Paul's teaching them how to do so matter of fact what we don't know is who else in the bible had children who are leading we don't know all the only person that we know had a wife was Peter we don't know if Bartholomew did if Thaddeus did we don't know if Thomas did we don't know doesn't tell us we don't know if Timothy did we don't know if Thaddeus we just don't know but if you do have children it's told what it's supposed to be so and that that that that's one of the answers that I gave in the in the video that I covered layman um I gave two two examples of what that pastors could mean but I wouldn't I wouldn't hold anyone to either one of those two because it's just not it's it's just a hot one so oh gabby gabby's 14 amen gabby 14 listening watching smart christians channel I don't know why one would say that you have to be sinless to be saved unless they haven't read the bible because you don't have to be sinless to be safe why would you need to be sinless in order to be saved then why would you be saved if you're sin if you're sinless you don't need saving you are already in the right standing so how do you know well again the qualifications are the most important thing the qualifications and because you've got people in in the church and outside the church that can look on and see specifically those that are inside the church they can see this guy is this guy is qualified this guy is godly his behavior all those things so um that's the that's the way so you feel like you're qualified but no one else does it's a good indication that you're not and when I say by no one else I mean those in the church outside the church everybody will see you go and start your church go ahead in the church and you've got wise leadership which kind of speaks for what Robert was speaking of you've got wise leadership thoughtful and caring those who have been trusted over your life in the meantime anyway and they say yeah I don't know I don't know well then listen to that and then ask them if that's what you desire help me to get there then what do I need but yeah if no one else if no one else sees it but you and I had this conversation before with it with a person who's a little bit older than me who wanted to be a want to go into leadership and I said well I want you to be in leadership I want you to to appreciate the word but that's just not for me to give to say that so that's something that that's between you and God your fitness all right if you think that you're fit but no one else does then we got a problem because you can't be a pastor without sheep yeah you can't you can't be a leader with no one to lead you can't be a shepherd without a flock you can't be a pastor without parishioners I don't care that you want to be one and so it was hard for him to kind of get that and we sat and spent time and spend time and spend time and he would get mad at me you you hold me back I'm not holding you back I'm so and so what I what what I did one time he didn't like it but he came to see the value of it later I I pulled in a few men and asked them would you if this man was leading the church matter of fact if I left and he took over would you would you listen to him I said no and they explained to him why it hurt his feelings it was humbling but the natural I said okay okay I got some work to do sometimes you got to be honest with the person that's like brother if no one's following you then you're not a leader if no one's going to be at your church you can't be a pastor no one you can't be a shepherd without sheep what does your take on all these extra or non-biblical titles that individually I don't like them I don't like them as a matter of fact my thought is it's not biblical we don't see Paul and Peter we don't see those guys hey call me this call as a matter of fact as a matter of fact when they thought that they were something special they got upset beat their chest and tore their clothes and no we're just mere men like you don't do that so I but it's them wanting to be special it's them wanting to be just like just like um what's his name the sorcerer Simon him wanting to be something special all all need Jesus thank you so much I appreciate the super sticker I'll tell you this can women preach in the nursery they sure yeah again a woman can preach just so long as her preaching doesn't violate the standards of the bible okay so preach where God says you can don't preach where he says you can't preach in the way that you can preach the way the guy says you can't um what do you want to say this is not kind of in this but I guess it is kind of divine creation says exactly how much would you say one has to know or should know to be saved it's done a lot it's not there's not a lot that you need to know there's not a lot now what you need to know is important here's what you need to know that you are horrible riding no good something something something that part you could pretty much get though why you keep sitting so you need to know that you are a sinner that you're no good and you are in danger of hell you need saving secondly you have to know who does the saving that is Jesus you know how he does so that he died on the cross for your sins the payment that was required for your sin is blood perfect blood to which you have none of it he gives it God accepts it you place faith in that that the person that literally paid the blood Jesus is God the Lord is God do that believe that you're safe not a lot not a lot after that then you're going to see a change in your life now we see it as much as you will know but that's all you need to know not a lot not a lot but it's heavy J word away thank you so much I appreciate the kind words I was supposed to leave by the way guys I was supposed to leave I was supposed to be off this live stream but my wife is still cooking my wife is still cooking and so once she once I know she's about finish I'm leaving you guys I'm leaving you I don't mind answering these questions though the two things that I used to do a lot in prison I work out and study and I never forget a guy came and asked me we were in the we were in the middle of work out and Greg I'm gonna ask you a question brother quarter of a question brother quarter of a question I don't mean to man listen forget these guys over work what I do enjoy doing this but Elijah mine too I like that I like that verse I like those because it's just that simple what must I that if you confess with your mouth that Jesus Lord thank you jade hope tv thank you thank you no I'm not leaving yet scuba or scuba I'm not leaving yet I've got because there's nothing for me to leave too I'm I'm waiting for her to say dinner's ready by the way you guys have no idea how much labor I'm doing right now I got my choppers done today and for about two hours I could I could move my mouth but I couldn't move my mouth it was it was just numb the numbness it it was weird it was so weird it was so weird and I could talk but I didn't want to drill because I couldn't and when she put the whatever you call it Nova Cane that was called it didn't take the first time wow what is she man this is a drill from hell this is just sticking me I mean this is this the devil sticking my mouth came straight from hell I had a demon and they put this big oh I don't know what it was something that you couldn't close hold your mouth couldn't close it and ah I could start filling it I could start filling in the water they were using the rinse was so cold so it was painful and and am I sweat I'm not sweating I am you know I am sweating yes I am sweating yes I am sweating thank you chest champ appreciate that as we say good looking out oh to shoot in Philippines well amen um but yeah and so right now my I can still feel the teeth to tooth work teeth work teeth work teeth work the dental work how about that I can still feel the dental work what happened was I'm gonna answer that in a second uh lovely what happened was in prison you only know that you get free medical care in prison it's free medical care definitely not so I got I got um I had I had some feelings in my teeth they didn't last I got the feelings redone like in a day part of the feeling fell out like what so and so they were cleaning up that mess so hopefully hopefully and she said that let her know if the bite uh isn't when you bite down it doesn't feel it's gonna take it a little bit forward to feel normal it doesn't feel normal it feels like you got a rock in your tooth or something's in the way then let her know so but I'm so glad the two ladies that were working on me there was it was a hygienist was a lady and the dentist was a lady because you just don't want some some guy named Frank or my buddy Fred with the big knuckles and you you don't want that you don't want that I heard that you didn't have to say the sinner's prayer anymore is that true most people in this chat probably who are saved probably said the sinner's prayer there's this push back against anyone saying a prayer to get if a person says hey repeat after me these words and then if you repeat after them and you believe these things you shall be saved is that okay is it a bad thing let me just say this it's the heart it's your actual confession that necessarily have to be an outward confession it could be inward it's your acknowledgement of who Christ is what about people who can't speak mute people you're gonna sell by yourself and you're reading a letter you're reading a book and you want to give your you want to place your faith in Christ you're a sinner and you prayed now they mean say these words after me repeat these words after me and then you're safe well repeating the words after someone does not make you submit does not make you say I don't care how wonderful the prayer was it was the it was the greatest it was the greatest prayer ever just because you repeated does not make you safe okay just because you repeat it does not make you say it's the heart if you believe what you're acknowledging your faith is in Christ then you're safe now if someone gave you some helpful words to say because you weren't quite sure I can promise you this you were saved before you actually said the prayer before you opened your mouth you were saved anyway you placed your faith in it that is if you indeed are safe now some folks again say the prayer and never get nothing happened they just went through a ritual it's just did you did you live legitimately place your faith in Christ in that prayer or absent that prayer it doesn't matter since you criticize prophet lovey I don't know who prophet lovey is I know who lovey is but since you criticize that guy have you ever prophesied when I open these scriptures up and read them I'm prophesying in my friend prophesied and I said prophesied yeah yeah uh what makes lovey a prophet is the fact that he's given bad false prophets prophecies if he's given false prophecies guess what lovey is not will you please my friend stop following this heretic from hell stop following this demonized man how about that stop following this man who has no power stop following the person with bad doctrine stop following the person who minimizes the scriptures that's what I would do because just because he's a deceiver and you're deceived does not mean that God is going to lighten the punishment on you I just prophesied to you see said I worked out what do you say to a person who says sin isn't going up to heaven so if you have sin in your life you're not going to heaven even if you're saying that person doesn't know the Bible we all do sin there's going to be some sort of thing that we're going to do to mr. mark just because we're not perfect so that person is that might be somebody who might be one of these sinless perfection people but you're going to have something where you're going to you're going to mess up you know what christians do when they mess up when they sin they feel bothered you feel troubled it bothers you you know why because you have repented you have a repentant heart sin bothers you sin bothers you if it doesn't you might want to lift the hood up and check and see who is inside Paul says let every man examine himself make sure that you have Christ you got Christ you got the Holy Spirit the Holy Spirit will be grieved if you sin I do something like I can't believe I did that I'm Lord forgive me Lord forgive me Cameron with a K says as someone who is also would you say as someone who's also an intellectual like myself would your palette of choice when it comes to two options pie or cake which I'll tell you what it is I'll tell you what it is now I've got my favorite dessert my kids will tell you right now my favorite dessert this is how this is how plain I am it's yellow cake with chocolate icing my favorite dessert now right behind it though she hadn't made it in a while is my wife's cheesecake actually I'll take it back that's number three right behind it is actually her banana pudding now if it's someone else making a cake or pie outside of my family just cake or pie I'd probably look pie like the meringue pie cheese is cheesecake or wait a second that begs the question is cheesecake a pie or is it a cake huh is cheesecake a pie or is it a cake I think I might that might be my favorite cake then huh it's a but no but oh let me ask this question that lovely asked do I have hair in the picture behind me yes I do yes I do I wasn't fully matured yet and so the hair was still there yes I do have I do have hair in that picture thank you Duran I appreciate the super chat it was a dog on I came towards the end uh when you're talking about your your teeth is yeah right now I can I can feel it I can feel it and I have some sensitive teeth and so is water baptism for salvation doctrine enough to leave a church it changes the gospel doesn't it that might that might be a deal breaker huh because I said that is a different gospel so I would probably say probably so but I do know some churches this was funny I know some churches that hold to water baptism but also allow for a person to be said that they're saved if they haven't been water baptized and so they're not really stringent upon it if it's that kind of church and maybe but it is a different a different gospel to say that you have to be saved place your faith in him then get water baptized yeah there there are no scriptures at point that you have to be licensed um for now do I have a an ordination to an ordination and license yeah uh do I need it no there there's no script real basis for that but it just says shows folks that hey you've gone through something somebody some man who probably has a license has laid hands on you scooper says cheesecake is a pie is it a pop or you answer that question is cheesecake a pie what do you mean ooh yellow cake cake dunkin hines or whatever doesn't matter yellow cake with uh chocolate icing you can't beat that you can't beat what's what is wrong with you uh good question why does the church seem to have a lack of mentorship discipleship for men in many cases just not caring in many cases just not caring here's what the pastor's supposed to do he is supposed to replicate himself on down see a man replicate himself in him not himself but but how he's supposed to be growing in the in the gospel and in the lord do pour out to another man and teach them to the same thing and then pour out to other women and other children and other men and so necessarily necessarily you want strong men show me a good strong pastor i'll show you a good strong male team a male a group of males at that church godly men if there's a weakness in male leadership at the church it's because there's a weakness in the head man leading the church and i wouldn't apologize for that statement right there's no equivocation on that so yeah yeah yeah i'll put ice cream with that of course you know what kind of you know what my faith you guys know my favorite ice cream is it's a pie yeah i think i call it a pie too but do y'all know what my my favorite ice cream is and that what's happening everybody's trying to their favorite uh carrot cake carrot cake is okay it's not in top 10 but it's okay uh red velvet um red velvet's okay red velvet's okay you know what it is if anyone's making it but does anyone out listen what do you think about dr. fred kasey price i don't i don't i would i would not don't listen to it that's what i think about i dislike those disney desert people i'm well i'm not disney is a word of knowledge a form of prophecy i would say it is i would say it is yes yes neil and i would say it is the pie is for the elderly ashley you young lady will get older you young lady will get older i'll pray somebody makes a snapshot of this and send it to you 30 years because i promise you you're gonna look up and bam i'm in my 30s that's it sheila sheila got it right tony's coffee got it right yep vanilla give give me vanilla ice cream kids go out hey daddy you want something back yeah give me a shake what kind of shake vanilla but now wait a second ashley ashley's on something ashley's on something she let this dinner still isn't ready yet but you take butter pecan ice cream anybody drink coffee take take butter pecan ice cream get you a a spoon scoop and your hot coffee preferably a prison mug so you gotta go to prison first but one this size take a scoop of that that uh butter pecan that is heaven yeah that that is heaven that is have no not chocolate if we bought what's that neapolitan if we bought neapolitan you have the strawberry vanilla and chocolate at our house the strawberry vanilla's going to be go one third of chocolate just sitting there am i the only one i did that yes i did pineapple cake is good scuba doesn't like it though i like german chocolate cake you know what you're gonna find out you're gonna find out that there's not too much of a dessert that i don't like no no listen listen marcus i agree with you i agree with you listen i got this i don't have any any cream in here every now and then i might drink some cream creamer i can promise you this a buddy mine said the same thing until i said i said listen i took a scoop my ice cream and put it in there and he looked at me i said now just take it now he's hooked i'm it's just something about that cold with the hot it just it does something i think an angel gave us that i think that came from the angel okay where's where's the vanilla tastes come from i didn't know now we're we are off topic by the way but we've left the pastor stuff a long time ago by the way it's what i want to do i meant to tell you this i didn't do it but do me a favor while we're talking tell me who you think is a good pastor you tell me in the chats tell me who you think is a good pastor folks are always saying kory who are some people that you think are good pastors so i want to know who who is who is a to you and then we'll end on that i would love to know who do you guys think that we that is a good pastor i meant to say this earlier but but um you guys got me off topic yeah lovely and ashley got me off topic oh look at that one thank you vody bachem alistair begg mike winger says kent hoven steve lawson well cameron who's your pastor he says my pastor well they man paul washer uh john mccarthar dr tony evans charlson was the pastor see another john mccarthar alistair begg thank you leila i appreciate that pastor jay uh pastor jay joe in my senate right carlos pastor jim simbola tony evans again i was wanting to know who you said was your pastor for the tony evans okay tony evans okay my my tail am i saying this right mattel bellston i've never heard it i need to look him up huh i need to look him up david wilkerson david wilkerson after that upright yeah david wilkerson david jeremiah i like david jeremiah he passed away with rc sprawl yeah let me say this um as well guys someone said you know which do you know who uh let me say this dr jeffers agent riders um one of my one of my best buddies his family they were real close friends with agent riders real close friends with agent riders but every last one of these pastors that you would name every last one of them verte mcgee you know you know you're a good pastor you're a good pastor when you're preaching and people think you're still alive that's jay verte mcgee that's verte mcgee you're preaching like hey you know that guy's dead right no he's been dead for a long time really good pastor but every last one of these pastors every last one of these pastors is going to have something off somewhere and they're gonna do something wrong can y'all can y'all put uh elijah in time out no i'm kidding he said marcus riders he's laughing about that though but they're all gonna make up make mistakes they're all gonna do something wrong say something wrong have to have a misstep or sin is it is it possible thank you uh thank you for the superstar i appreciate that is it possible for a pastor to sin and still be a pastor bishop wouldn't yep is it is it possible for a pastor to sin think about the question we'll leave on this elijah says not marcus riders is it past possible for a pastor to sin and still be a pastor matter of fact seems to be a good pastor think about that for a second is it possible for a pastor to sin and still be a pastor well the obvious answer is yes because that's all of you that's all of us now he's to be an example so it shouldn't be an obvious and apparent ongoing outstanding sin all with that yeah that yeah pastor so-and-so is drunk again pastor so-and-so got caught with so-and-so again pastor so-and-so is down at the motel again if your pastor keeps getting arrested and it's not for marching you're a new pastor but everybody's gonna sin everybody is going to sin the pastor is to be an example so when he does sin and i'll leave it at this when the pastor sins he's also to be an example when being showing a repentant attitude towards that sin his humility guys i messed up i think pastors ought to be open about when they when they mess up i think so y'all have heard me say this before and i think some people don't pay attention when i say this i don't think that matter of fact i know for a fact there's no passage that says that if you sin in public you have to give a public repentance but i've also stated that in some cases it's a good idea to give a public repentant statement not required but it's good two different things so if the pastor messes up and everyone knows it because i can promise you the pastor doesn't repent about everything that's that he does publicly but if it's something that's known i think i think it's a good thing to show to share with people to show that hey yeah we did wrong i did wrong i think it's a good thing because it shows that because it shows that hey i can also be humble as well that i'm not above messing up it's not required but this is one of those examples where you go above and beyond and say listen i just want you all to see that listen i did this wrong and so for me for you guys that know that we shouldn't because you can you can end up sending a bad message thank you Dwight super chat so again it's not required but it suggests it in some cases especially as a pastor i think i think it i think it would be a good idea if you do it depending upon the case what do i think about greg lory i think for the most part i guess he's okay i don't know a lot about greg lory i really don't um from what i know he's okay but don't hold me to it core you supported greg lory did you know greg i don't know i don't know a lot about i i do not know a lot about him now living in sin that's a different thing what about if you live in sin and steal your pastor i guide pastors those who are divorced and remarried while the first wife is still alive well uh it's tough because there is no such thing as a forgiven person being in perpetual sin as as far as what i mean by that is this you've sinned you moved on so let's say the guy got divorced got remarried um and has understood hey that was wrong he can't turn around and divorce the current wife now now now you've done it again you don't sin out of a sin you don't commit a sin to get past another sin no um you just from now on you live godly there's god hold that sin against you forever yeah you caused you caused adultery but adultery is not a unforgivable sin it's not a perpetual sin that god holds over your head forever so i would say i would say uh one don't get a divorce if you've gotten divorced and you've gotten married you need to ask for forgiveness be repentant of it don't don't make that the standard um and don't get divorced again now if you're unmarried but you got into divorce and you can reconcile we'll try because what does that say about you and your relationship with christ what do i think about herman murray i'm not a fan of herman murray i'm not a fan of his or uh uh his predecessor uh labias they aren't what they're just they're not far away from here the doctrine is off and then the whole bishop apostle thing yeah we got i got a problem with that too but hold on let me ask this one uh but what just happened he says but isn't that not a real marriage because of the first covenant between god uh and the spouse okay if you get a divorce that's a sin if you get remarried unbiblically divorced your wife or your husband and you get remarried is that a sin yes you have profusely apologized been repented before the lord fine you moved on are you in sin no are you prevented from marrying again or let's say you go and get married again it's the wrong thing are you now what do you do about it now play this out what what did you do about this second marriage that you're in you divorce her it's it's still a sin the first one was a sin so the second one so now you are forgiven go and sin no more now it's it's messed up now what's going to happen as a result of that there are going to be consequences there are going to be consequences adulterers should be stoned by to death by the government brandon why do you say some things brandon why do you why why do you say something brandon the only reason why brandon when you turn 40 when you turn 30 or 40 you're gonna look back to you i don't know why i said somebody i don't know why i said some of the things that i said brandon stop saying some of these things to be stoned to death by the government okay am i familiar i'm not i i know who that is isn't that the person that married um she killed nil's wife i don't know a lot about him i don't i have i don't know anything about him i don't know about his life i don't really know about her life other than she was married to she killed him the kjv only debated to me it's not a debate it just isn't when are you born again by faith uh future event you are born again according to john three when the holy spirit regenerates your heart you are born from ganifea nothing from above you're born above born from the spirit born of water and spirit that happens when the holy spirit ignites regenerate washes makes again your heart anew which is what god said he was going to do in the old testament prophecy be fulfilled that's what it means be born again then from that point then what do you do you've got a heart that once you make your profession of faith that keeps you amen no i think it's still hot let me go i think i think we're good so all right guys it is time for me to go um okay hold on how come this happens every time this happens every time i get ready to leave and i see someone says please answer my questions miss my question so let's go to this question you guys are you guys are smooth though because you guys know that that i had never seen these a lot of time was abraham and an adulterer and fornicator was david adulterous and fornicator solvent technically yes we don't say that do we we don't we don't really say that do we gregory but what's the definition god didn't tell god god didn't ordain any of these matter of fact as i said before there's consequences abraham you want to get with this look this i don't care you want you want me to offer this i don't care that your wife said hey go we into hagar so i didn't and there's consequences best forgiveness but it's consequences uh they are in heaven same thing with uh with david david wow it's not many guys that were cheating and then killed to have it covered up there were consequences um with this the child of that and then even with his children going forward so yeah yeah call it what it is but again there is forgiveness anyway guys i love you i will see you all uh oh what happened controls just went black but it's okay all right guys love you so much i will we gotta we've got an important one tomorrow and so i will see you all tomorrow god bless you