 discussion tonight welcome everybody that's here sorry we had to start a little bit early please let me know how is the audio coming in it seems to be going fine we've got a really cool and interesting discussion tonight between Atlas and Bastiat we're going to be talking about Biden and Bernie tonight all right so some of the people in the audience have already picked who the thing's gonna take it without even hearing the discussions um sounds like the audio is fine we've got some clicking noise coming from someone's mic I'm not sure but um we're gonna go ahead and get started what we're gonna do is we're gonna lay out a five minute opening from each person just to kind of give some background of the of their self and their position then we'll move straight into an open discussion because we have one of our contenders is going to have to get going by 10 o'clock p.m. Eastern which is an hour from now so I want to leave time for Q&A and to answer any of your questions thanks to Mark 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uh ladies and gentlemen I am as a few few few in the youtube chat says a neoliberal I'm also a corporate attorney by day so basically I'm Joe biden's base um but all kidding aside it's uh it's a lot of fun to be here tonight I'm a streamer on twitch uh where we talk about law politics economics uh and uh no it's it's a lot of fun so it's a twitch.tv forward slash b-a-s-t-i-a-t uh we stream three days a week Sundays Tuesdays and Thursdays and uh it'd be great to have you there um looking forward to uh uh good debate tonight with uh atlas and and we'll see where it goes so that's me all right awesome do you want to go ahead and lay out your position sure um do you want to uh you can go ahead keep going okay I'll do that uh so yeah I'm a supporter of uh uh Joseph Robinette Biden I am uh pretty excited to vote for him Joe Biden wasn't my first choice uh my first choice was actually Andrew Yang and then my second choice I think was uh Pete Buttigieg um and then later on you know I think uh somewhere around uh choice number three was uh was Joe Biden but uh you know hey Joe Biden uh has uh for all intents and purposes prevailed in the primary process and I think that he'll be uh the candidate uh to put up against President Trump um I think that uh ultimately he's got a lot of the advantages uh I think that a more traditional candidate like say Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama would have without some of the disadvantages that Hillary Clinton specifically had in terms of a lack of lack of lack of likeability um and uh I think that ultimately uh his real strength comes in building coalitions and I think that he's proven through the course of this campaign so far is a great coalition builder uh the Democratic Party is really a party of coalitions it doesn't have sort of that luxury that Republicans have where they can uh you know unite a much much less diverse group of interests uh behind their agenda Democratic parties historically been a party of big 10 coalitions and I think Joe Biden is the main bleed that kind of coalition to victory over Donald Trump so I'm I'm excited for him and and that's uh that's my position in a nutshell all right thank you so much for that opening Alice go ahead and kick it over to you good evening everyone I'd like to thank you for let me come on this afternoon especially for someone as an amateur such as myself um I go my alias this goes by Alice um however about Ethan's my first name um from the year a little bit history about myself in the year 2009-2011 I was a Mormon missionary that served in a Guatemalan for two years uh since then I have uh come a long way uh since become an atheist and uh I now classify myself myself as a humanist and a secular a secular humanist uh shortly after that I joined the Utah National Guard as well as the Yanmey Reserves uh where I continue to serve to this day um I have uh since uh all throughout the while of my college I do economics and political science for uh from university I um I uh I all the while I talk politics debate with my friends and my co-workers all the time um a little bit about myself uh about my pop about why I'll be voting for Bernie Sanders um and I will not be voting for Joe Biden is I have an overlying philosophy on um what is the actual duty of the American voter and um and why uh we should be um why we should maintain a uh a moral position on on who we vote for uh I vote for Bernie Sanders because of his policies on uh he has a he has a better vision such as uh for Medicare for all and uh and uh uh uh uplifting certain uh smaller time house candidates such as Alexandria Costa Cortez as well as promoting things like the Green New Deal I consider myself a progressive I consider myself a leftist sometimes um just depends on what we're talking about the topic uh philosophy and epistemology are my interests and I look forward to having this debate awesome thanks so much for that best yet not that it matters but it might it might um I'm sure we're gonna have the question are you also a theist yes okay all right just preliminaries out of the way we want to make sure you know the audience knows who we're talking to uh thanks both you guys for your your backgrounds as well as your position so what we'll do is we'll just jump straight in um to the open discussion unless you guys have anything else to add before then I uh I actually uh so you uh you went somewhere I guess I wasn't quite expecting because you mentioned uh your philosophy of the duty of the American voter and so I'm curious if you could elaborate a little bit what do you think the duty of the American voter is so um this is gonna cut right to the heart of the matter if you want to dive to it so I don't want to dive into this uh this core issue when there's a whole lot of other fun stuff we could talk about to add some substance to to the one hour but if you want to dive straight to the middle we can do that all right essentially the uh the underlying philosophy of why I will not be voting for Joe Biden and why I recommend for all Americans to vote for the conscience is essentially uh I have constantly heard in my conversations and in other debates that I've had of this kind of a lesser of two evils conversation that we have very much so it's very much a common uh meme that goes on through through our uh at least within the last several decades of our voting history um it's a way uh Americans have a way of giving a catharsis to our two party system where we don't have we don't have a variety of parties much like other countries and so um when it comes to this kind of system I feel that uh no offense the neoliberal the neoliberal corporate uh class and as well as the conservative more corporate class as well uh take advantage of that sort of lesser of two evils by forcing the American uh voters into selecting candidates that would otherwise be unelectable in in certain circumstances unelectable by based upon their history unelectable by uh their policies unelectable by any other by more reasonable standards um and uh we can go through why they would like on a point-by-point basis on what what those would be but an overall um to to summarize it into a small thesis statement to what's been making me chuckle recently is uh a quote from uh from a fictional figure that is uh uh if I have a choice between the lesser of two evils I'd rather not choose at all I uh yeah I understand the feeling I mean it's kind of frustrating way to put it and uh I I would share the frustration with my candidate if I was repeatedly told that candidate in fact I do remember getting a little bit of this when I was you know when Andrew Yang was still running a lot of folks saying look uh your guy has no chance and uh it's time to drop out and fall in line now at the time that was more from the the Bernie folks than you know from say the biden camp but you know I know that uh you know the feeling can be you know it's a frustrating feeling um although I guess uh so there's there's a few ideas there that I'm I'm curious about so number one um the two-party system uh and you know I'm not trying to go off track but I think this this is interesting because like you said against the harder matter it sounds like you're saying that um you know the reason not to vote for the lesser of two evils as it were is because it reinforces this two-party system construct um I feel as if that the um the I guess the more specific term the bourgeois class of our society puts out candidates that force us into a selection of either of a lesser of two evils which usually kind of coincides with while we while we the larger voter base debate on abortion gun rights whatever in the background other things are taking place such as uh the war on drugs the uh tax uh different tax laws uh billionaire bank billionaire bailouts uh tax evaded well I would consider tax evasion but kind of like um if you make it legal in the books it's not really tax evasion right because because if you if you can pass a law if you can pass a law where people you know where you can change where you can change it so that your corporation is such a penny of taxes that's safe that's a good business but uh to the to the worker to the labor class below them it is very much so uh tax evasion to to us do you think um do you think the two-party system is something that's been foisted on americans or kind of just a natural outgrowth of a large multi-state multi-regional democracy um I feel as if it is a natural um it is a natural evolution of the corruption within our system well so whatever I guess I'm I'm curious about the corruption issue because we've had and you know we're not the only country uh you know I'm not the only western democracy that's had a two-party system um you know I so like I'm not why do you insist that it's based on corruption rather than just the notion that in a large country three people have to form corruption yeah so why again though would the two-party system be the result of greed um usually these vote usually while we the electorate kind of decide upon what we want to hash out whether it's gun riots or abortion or the immigration or all these other kind of tactics or all these other topics um the uh I consider agreed because usually the underlying method is how can we make how we can get more money to more uh investors to more uh more industries and it very rarely gets actually put out to the american voter in ways of goods and services or even in income are you saying that's what so that it well I guess what I what I don't quite understand is it seems like ultimately the reason we've got a two-party system that kind of puts us in the position of choosing sort of the lesser of two evils when it comes to uh you know choosing two candidates is because we've got to first pass the post voting system rather than you know a system of kind of corruption corruption agreed and I mean uh Canada doesn't quite have the same issue they've got sort of two left parties and one right party um britain has basically a similar system they've got the liberal democrats but they're not so relevant politically and in the united states we have had uh you know our we have had exceptions to the rule but it seems like the reason is basically that we've got a first pass the post system and the first pass the post voting system basically requires that you form large coalitions rather than you know multiple parties being able to operate so I mean our our system is currently designed um you know even of all the people acting in it were acting in good faith and you know I mean as as our founding fathers I think wisely said if men were angels no government or John Adams said if men were angels we would need no government um you know I mean even if people though uh you know even if we eliminated a lot of that that greed and corruption you're saying I think we'd still have a two-party system because of the way our elections are structured um so there's many ways there's from this part of the conversation there's different I kind of want to put a flag on this part right here because there's a lot of different avenues like I want to take them this primarily first let's go down through this road um one being the two-party system creates a way that allows um what I would call the bourgeois class to select to hand to hand out or specifically select certain candidates to force the American voter to force the American voters to select either a half right or a full right step if that makes sense if you want to make it on a political on a political spectrum either way though we're making a right step and whether we make make the half right step or a full right step it eventually down the road we end up getting certain systems or systemic problems such as our uh current issue being uh COVID-19 uh you know uh running rampant throughout our country right yeah oops sorry so so these certain systemic failures in our system right because of corporatism specifically because our American healthcare system specifically designed off of profits not off of American healthcare there's no way that a corporate profit system is designed to take care of a pandemics of a pandemic problem such as COVID-19 where all Americans are affected because the virus doesn't give um a uh I was going to use a other word doesn't care whether you are rich or poor it's going to affect you because you're a human being sure right yeah I you know what you're saying although I mean to be fair the virus doesn't also doesn't seem to care about what your particular the particular structure of your healthcare system is either I mean Spain and Italy are falling just as fast as we are in terms of deaths and illnesses um so I mean the United States I mean it seems like this it seems like this particular issue this particular outbreak we're having is a failure of disaster response and rather than a failure of of how we pay for for healthcare on an individual level I mean I I certainly want to have more you know I certainly want to have more healthcare coverage I I don't think we need a uh you know what I think is an unprecedented Medicare for all system in the form that Bernie Sanders proposes countries like for example South Korea and Taiwan that have done a wonderful job containing the COVID-19 disaster in fact I think that have had the best response in the world don't have the kind of um single payer single provider no exceptions really um uh program that Medicare for all would be I mean they still have forms of private insurance and things like that so I guess that you know to talk about healthcare I I don't know that COVID-19 really has much to say about that um but what I really want to push back on is the idea that uh Joe Biden is a right or lesser right choice I mean Joe Biden's platform as expressed on his website and his in his uh you know speeches and discussions I mean he wouldn't be as progressive as Bernie Sanders for sure but he would still be um based on his platform the most progressive president we've ever had uh not by not based upon his voting record though I mean his voting record you know lasts for last for decades but when you say it's abysmal you know let's go into it so uh the glaring so this this is we'll kind of go into a non sequitur but the glowing the glaring kind of uh the issue that I have in my in my head of his voting record would be his lack of foresight for such voting policies as the Iraq war right and he he is a constant proponent of voting for bills and legislation that uplift that give tax breaks and give subsidies to larger corporations that promote the military industrial complex then promote companies like Lockheed Martin promote uh and other uh defense but defense agencies other energy agencies right so these the because he gives this tax legislate these the this legislation to uh add in the form of subsidies and tax breaks to larger companies it is a conservative a you well you may say lead neoliberal but it is a pro rich pro pro rich pro bourgeois of the uh to keep the the power the powerful in power right and these votes don't make him a liberal these votes don't make him a man of the people these votes make him a man for the rich and that's why you catch him all the time with video you know slipping up because all this is just all this is just practice to him right because behind closed doors but in in his coalitions that you that you're proud of him making right he says one thing to the American people and does things it does things behind closed doors whereas Bernie Sanders right is a candidate of the people for the people right where he has a history of defending the people where he has a history defending all kinds from blacks to gays right and in truth right socially we as a society have come closer to Bernie Sanders socially than anywhere else right on his view on on on gay on gay rights on on on civil rights right so we as a society have come close by that that we come closer to his ideas do you mean that he has because well what it seems like you're saying is that basically Bernie Sanders has had the right opinions for a longer period of time but Bernie Sanders has also had the luxury I suppose of having the right opinions for a longer period of time because he's also been relatively unsuccessful in putting those opinions into legislative practice he's had some luck with amendments he's had some luck with him he's had some luck with amendments you know he's made some progress he gave a very stirring speech during the recent multi trillion dollar cares act legislative vote in the senate but you know Joe Biden is more the typical politician who has had to you know ebb and flow in order to get things done and I mean that's part of the that's really part of any western electoral democratic system I don't think that's something that really should be run away from of course Joe Biden should be held accountable you know in terms of being called out for those votes that were bad but Joe Biden has also evolved on a lot of his positions and frankly I think somebody who gets new information and changes their position over time should should not be criticized for that but should be lauded for that he's regretted the Iraq war vote he's changed his opinion on gay marriage and he was you know one of the people pushing for it later on in his life you know it ultimately yeah I mean that's true but ultimately he and the you know he and the obama administration put a lot of important protections into place for for the gay and lesbian community they did a lot of good work for them so I think that this notion that that you know the fact that he had the right positions for a longer period of time yeah that may be true but Joe Biden has a typical politician as you say I mean he's changed his position sometimes he says one thing sometimes he says another he's been able to get more stuff done I mean that's just the way our our system works and you know I do want to say one thing about corruption and kind of inside or horse trading um you know somebody had something to say that I thought was really powerful on this point no when Joe Biden lost Iowa New Hampshire Nevada he didn't blame a socialist conspiracy he didn't attack Bernie he didn't send his supporters out to spread right-wing talking points he just admit that he got beat picked up kept going and I think that's really the mark of you know the kind of person we want for president rather than sort of a movement you know I knew behind a man who seems to focus on taking on the entire establishment and really blaming the rest of the country for not getting on board with uh with him rather than kind of accepting that he's got to modify his positions modify his message in order to get more people to vote for him so I'm gonna I'm gonna just give you a heads up I'm gonna go on for about at least a couple minutes here because I got to respond to so one just because he has he has more evolved uh he's more he has evolved to his current the current environment right shows that he has a lack of vision of the future where what what America because he's able to adapt to the current current climate of what is what is accepting what is not does not make him a does not make him a good leader right a good leader is supposed to be able to foresee problems and then solve them before they they impact the masses okay it's why we have certain failures in this current system right now you and I both agree that Donald Trump is probably not the best president of the future right he's uh he's uh he's going to become the worst ever correct right so so we we and that is exemplified by him you know disbanding uh you know uh the the pandemic uh outbreak council right in 2018 and that that shows a lack of vision for the future right which thus gave us you know dead americans in our country right this I proposed the same lack of vision found in other candidates like Joe Biden right as exemplified by his lack of vision in previous legislation will also be the detriment of society albeit in a minor sense right in a longer slower kind of an antiseptic sort of or in a anesthesia sort of way where we won't really feel it but over the longest periods of time we will have larger and larger systemic issues such as you know prison or for-profit prison systems uh the reason why our uh you know uh energy companies getting subsidies while green energy companies do not right the this this sort of corporate favoritism right is not healthy for the american society and it is exemplified but through our american healthcare system as people die to this day two uh just because bernie sanders right is not uh because he's accepting he's not accepting corporate pack money because he's not accepting all these things all these uh he's not he's not building coalitions as you would say uh for uh like with with larger companies I would I consider that a plus it shows that it's a man with principle a man with vision right which is a sign of a good leader now what do I assume that once it becomes president that instantly we're gonna have medicare for all and we're gonna have all these systems no we still have a conservative uh senate we still have a conservative judicial system we still have conservative judges all throughout this country right we still have a very large fight ahead of us all I advocate for is that you either vote for somebody who represents you or don't that that is pretty simple and and it's pretty and I think I have the advantage on this speaking because my position is you have to actually convince me to go out and go vote for somebody who doesn't inspire anyone who doesn't actually give any vision right that that I would like to go out and go inspire me to go vote in comparison I can go home and stay and play destiny a little bit longer right and the truth is right if I if I don't like Donald Trump the system isn't I don't go vote for somebody a lesser two evils I impeach him right we should impeach him if that is the case the problem is is that you vote for your ideals or you don't this continuing practice of voting for something against your interest is where is why we have the problems we have today and that that circles us back to our the initial philosophy of what what what like what is the duty of the American voter vote for what you believe in and nothing more and that is the advantage that the Republicans have because they don't vote against their ideals that's why they voted for Donald Trump yeah I know that you probably got a chamber a bullet in the chamber ready to go so but hang on one second I just want to remind everybody to tag me with your questions at converse contender we're going to go for about another 25 minutes uh and so if you just tag me with your question and I'll make sure and try and get them to the speakers and then one more thing if I could get everybody that's here to hit that like button we got 16 likes and 130 people watching so hit that like button and uh all right back to you best yeah go ahead smash that like button like Bernie's gonna smash corporate power um subsidy so first of all uh renewable energy companies get subsidies all the time um maybe we can argue that what are you talking about that uh much that it depends on state to state and one they don't get nearly as many from the federal level they get uh they get a lot of subsidies and the only argument uh that you can make that they are disadvantaged is based on some of the tax treatment of some fossil fuels but I think that's speculative at best the notion of like the notion that we're not subsidizing renewable energy we have indeed subsidize it and really it's it's a testament to the success of any of those subsidies many of which occurred under the Obama Biden administration that uh renewable energy has achieved cost parity with natural gas in a lot of states so I mean I I reject the characterization that we have not done anything for renewable energy in this country we've done a lot we have more to do to be sure um and we've also got to do more for nuclear power which I know Bernie Sanders rejects we need more nuclear power because of course uh we need power that doesn't generate carbon emissions or generates relatively a little carbon emission when the sun isn't shining and the wind isn't blowing or in places where the geography means that's not available so on renewable energy I think that Bernie Sanders is basically a non-starter I mean I would still vote for him over Donald Trump because Donald Trump is cruising to be the worst president American history in a threat to the freedom of this country in the whole world but uh you know that's that's the energy issue as far as uh as far as uh the notion of Bernie Sanders and uh his refusal to work with corporations and build coalitions with them that wasn't really the coalition I was talking about although you know I suppose you could you could say that corporations being a big part of our politics is better probably to try and work with them in some fashion I have them in the tent uh in some fashion so that you can you know work with them as opposed to I guess having them out but the coalition that I was talking about was really the massive number of endorsements that Joe Biden has received across the political spectrum not just from his fellow candidates almost all except for I believe Marianne Williamson and um mayor of New York City Bill de Blasio I believe all the other candidates have either not endorsed or most of them specifically endorsed Joe Biden but beyond that governors executives who you know other than presidents have the the best experience of executive action presidential type action in this country meant of 15 senators 15 times as many as endorsed Bernie Sanders a lot of professional typical politicians across the democratic party which of course has it's conservative it's liberal wings across the country so so he's building a real coalition of people from across America who are voting for him and I think the turnout supports that by the way uh Joe Biden has uh has beat Bernie Sanders um you know in in uh really big ways in the primary I mean he secured every single county in Michigan every single county in Florida I mean these are states that have Hillary Clinton for example had been able to win uh you know she beat president today so the notion that this this is just an appropriate coalition is just not true I mean it's real voters more turnout for Joe Biden than Hillary Clinton received more turnout than of course uh Bernie Sanders received and a lot of politicians who represent people that ultimately Joe Biden can work with as president um Bernie Sanders on the other hand has very few endorsements from from these type of folks and I think that's a testament really to his seeming inability to work with others um you know other politicians um you know you can say corruption but it seems like for example he's even had trouble uh getting uh working with people who share a lot of his ideology uh Elizabeth Warren I know that Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez also drew back some of her support in fact she had to encourage the Bernie campaign to reach out to her he just doesn't seem to be very good at working with others um but you know I know there was something really important that you said at the end where you said well you know you've got to impress me you know I could watch destiny instead of voting out who we both the streamers the streamers okay the video game's great oh oh I can't he wants to play this oh okay play oh is that okay that's okay so you play destiny instead of voting out who we both agree is you know the worst president probably after the death toll from corona 19 or coronaviruses comes in is the worst president in american history um you know who he already tried to impeach you're saying well you know I you've got to impress me you've got to get me excited you've got to get me enthusiastic about voting this guy out because you know I don't want this two-party system you know I mean hey if that's your position that you have to be cajoled to vote against the worst president in history a president who is as we speak costing american lives by virtually his bungled failed coronavirus response I mean that that seems like ultimately if that alone is not enough to convince you to vote for the democrat I mean I you know I understand Joe Biden is not a perfect candidate he was my first choice but ultimately the situation that we've got in this country is not is far worse than any situation we've had certainly in recent history I'm inclined to think that that uh that president trump has cruised and become the worst president we've had since the civil war so this notion that that you know I I understand that maybe Joe Biden is not as exciting as Bernie Sanders because his positions are more limited I will agree his plan for healthcare for example he says on his website I'm gonna cover you know with our plan we're gonna cover 97 percent of americans and we're gonna we're gonna do it with insurance and with a public option it's not as catchy it's not as comprehensive as medicare for all what's the step in the right direction do time constraints I'm gonna have to cut you off I'm gonna just I'm gonna just dive right into it one and I'm gonna say this very clearly the underlying the underlying idea behind my philosophy behind the american voter is that there is nothing any person any one any leader that they can do no matter how bad that makes me force me to vote for something else I am simply saying you vote for your beliefs and nothing more I agree with that I absolutely agree with that I don't think anybody can obligate you nobody can obligate you to hold up you cut me off hold on bear with me one moment okay if you believe that right if you do believe that then that means that there's nothing that any there's nothing that don't trip can do that will force you to vote for somebody else right you vote for your beliefs and nothing else right and that and because that because of the of the fickle nature and because of the the the backhand in nature to to jubilant and let's not let's not I don't I don't want to be belittling to an elderly man but the man is senile okay do you have any do you have any medical like evidence of that do you have a medical do you want to get diagnosed do you want me to just diagnose that that's a medical condition can you diagnose it sure he's an he's an elderly man right pretty Santa's I'm not even saying pretty Santa's I waited for you now I suggest you qualify to engage in medical diagnosis I can make I can make a medical I can make a medical assessment based upon a a rough idea right we can get some video evidence we can get go to WebMD or you and I can go over some certain points right but I I can get it maybe for medical diagnosis sure what what would you would you would you want to be to be Are we really going to now go into health condition? Am I going to have to ask for more right for her? Of course you're for medical. We'll do that. We'll do that. You made an experiment. You're right. I'll back it up. You're talking about a health condition. You've got no credibility to diagnose medically and you are insisting that it is fact. And you're doing this. Are you ready? Are you ready for it? Are you ready for it? I have dates and I have video. We can watch him over and over again. He doesn't know. One second. One second. One good time, please. Made accusation. Yeah, go ahead. Let's hear your response and then we'll go right back to the best yet. Are you ready? Yeah. So in Wisconsin, when he says that, my name is Joe Biden. You're voting for a U.S. Senate. The guy flubs. He flubs. Okay. How many flubs does it take? How many flubs does it take before it's dementia? How many flubs? How many flubs and how old? How many flubs. How many flubs? How many flubs. How many flubs? How many flubs? You know, why are you focused on this when you're talking about his position? I'm not focused on this. We're almost here to debate. And then slowly when I bring up the fact that your position is basically you saying that you're entitled to vote, to not vote to sit on election with the World Assembly, American media on the whole. We're changing the topic. His sonility is really the issue. You've got no proof of what you've got. It is not a issue. Go ahead and make that guy gross. I said it's an issue not a issue. I think you need a phone flood. Is President Trump senile? Maybe. If I could pull some clips of Bernie Sanders that would be convincing, could I call him senile? It's possible. Well, that's ridiculous. They're both very elderly men. I do not have to pay for a whole lot of things. They're both very elderly men. They're both very elderly men. They're both very elderly men. It's one of them's property. It's the part of the system you have right now. Last year, it's a ridiculous thing to talk about their medical conditions. It's an absolute distraction from their position. It is? Is it crazy? It's a leader of the free world. Yeah. It's a race in which we've got the 74-year-old president of the United States, a 77-year-old vice president, former vice president, and the 78-year-old Bernie Sanders. Every one of them has the real bad. Let me bring it down or not because it clearly has got you a little triggered a little bit. If Andrew Yang, if Andrew Yang were in this candidate right here, we would not be having the same conversation. I don't understand really what your point is. They're both old. You're right. Why are we talking about this then? Well, one, because it goes to the underlying issue of I do not like our country being run by an older white class that's constantly telling me what I can and cannot vote for. Why does this race come into it? We were talking about this medical condition. There's a much broader issue going to large. Do you agree? No, I don't actually agree. It sounds like, hopefully, this is another reflection of kind of the Bernie campaign grasping for straws to sort of blame people other than Bernie Sanders for his mismanaged campaign. So you and I would agree that Bernie Sanders is probably not aggressive enough on pushing back these, pushing back these, I am not hearing exactly the same. Actually, I think Bernie Sanders actually aggression, the fact that he's not aggressive has probably helped him. I don't think the American people or at least the Democratic primary is rewarding aggression, considering that the person who has won the Democratic primary is not particularly aggressive. Okay. Bernie Sanders, let's back up a little bit. One, all these men are very, very old. All of them will have continuing failing health issues as we get older. That is a fact. Do you agree? Sure. Okay. And our brain is a part of our bodies and not. Sure. Okay. So that is all I'm saying is that as these men get older and older, we're more senile. They will become right. It is a very, very, it is a very, very issue. It's possible that they'll become senile. Okay. Joe Biden and Donald Trump are becoming more senile than others. Okay. Yeah. I see you're again, to say that he's more senile, unless you've got something from a medical professional saying that that's okay. Well, I recommend that everyone go look up Walker, Mr. Brandon, Mr. Bragman, Mr. Bragman, Mr. Bragman is on the campaign trail. And he has put together every single bit time that Joe Biden has put a gap. So how many times does it take before it becomes an issue? Right. And he's actually, President's making actual decisions. That's gonna be a much worse problem. Do you not agree? No, I don't agree. Let's get busy. when previously we're having a fundamental weakness Bernie Sanders okay well if we're talking about electability Joe Biden's winning the primary he's also winning against all right let's lay this out so you're saying that presumably even though Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders are both polling against Donald Trump pretty well Joe Biden is pulling slightly better than Bernie Sanders but again it's they're both beating Donald Trump that something is going to change that Joe Biden is somehow based on what going to eat it so why do you say that he's going to eat it even though they are both winning during the primary than Hillary Clinton do you think so so what advantage does Joe Biden have over Hillary Clinton to the 2016 more likeable and Americans have already had four years of Donald Trump neither no and no what do you mean so likeability was historically high and we can see we can see it by virtue of the difference in turnout more people in states prior to the coronavirus depressing some turnout although Joe Biden matched even match Hillary Clinton after coronavirus but before the coronavirus Joe Biden was securing massive leads in turn and same high as massive turnout on the Trump campaign you're so proud of that once I'm ignoring the Trump campaign coming out for them for their side as well which you do which you seem to ignore which people that Joe Biden out performed Hillary Clinton in the same in worse in 2020 than he did in 2016 in 2016 Donald Trump decimated everything one of his campaign one of his candidates won every single one of his opponents in the field and then after that he secured every single one of the votes he secured the entire Republican Party they will all fall in line but behind Donald Trump 20 and they've already fallen in line behind him yeah so how much how much a bigger problem how much bigger problem is it gonna be well the real problem is that Bernie Sanders has not dropped out to give his more time to reconcile so once again you're repeating you're repeating talking points that Hillary Clinton gave last time because she didn't visit states like Wisconsin and Michigan right she blamed Bernie Sanders right when she lost all 55 counties in what in in West Virginia she lost all 55 counties and then the DNC when they gave the actual report they reported that West Virginia went for for a Hillary Rod and Clinton even though she lost all 55 counties that is show of a corruption of the Democratic Party it's a show of the corruption of the Republican Party falling in line with that it shows it shows that we live in a far more conservative country than anyone you're right you're right about that I think it's very important then to go with who you are describing as the more conservative candidate Joe Biden although again I'm not describing as a conservative candidate but if you want to talk about somebody who's losing all the counties Bernie Sanders lost all the counties in a must win state Michigan in the 2020 Democratic primary he lost all he lost all the counties in a should be must win state Florida which went for Obama he could certainly win it again Bernie Sanders lost every county in the state of Florida Bernie Sanders is the one who's got something to prove you're not sure I guess the voters have already decided that Joe Biden is going to win so really this is more of an academic question as to who would be better I thought so we need we need to start moving yeah we need to start moving toward Q&A so what I want to do is if you'll take the last maybe five or ten minutes and let's start concluding so maybe we'll get some arguments in conclusion hey five minutes here five minutes there hey my conclusion is this or that and if somebody wants to say something about the other side's argument as well in conclusion just go ahead and finish the notes you go ahead and finish your conclusion okay so you want to you want me to go first okay yeah so ultimately you know that's my position folks I think that Joe Biden not a perfect candidate but I think he's a good candidate I think he's a good man ultimately I think you know probably the best estimate of that is the fact that he and Bernie Sanders seem to have a pretty good almost kind of working relationship and I think it's a lot different than the very hostile relationship that you know for example you know that for example Bernie Sanders had you know with the Hillary Clinton campaign which was pretty ungrateful and pretty hostile you know as Joe Biden said I have significant respect for Sanders Sanders and supporters now's not the time for me or anyone to call him to drop out I know I just did that you know take a little liberty I know firsthand what a personal it's a testament really to what a genteel guy Joe Biden it's I know firsthand what a personal decision that is I have to be very blunt with you our staffs have been talking Bernie staff in mind I don't know where it's gonna go but I have enormous respect for him whether Bernie gets out or stays in remains to be seen and as the vice president added the coronavirus is making things more complicated for him and everyone else if I'm the nominee said Biden I'm confident Bernie will push his supporters to support me just as I would if it were reversed he's poured his heart and soul into this and he's made some significant changes in American politics have been positive and I agree with that I think that you know Bernie Sanders I think more in 2016 but he's also done in this year done this year as well I think he's made he's done such a good job of making healthcare a central issue in this campaign and I think he has done a good job in in in ultimately getting America's young people really excited and interested in the democratic process again but ultimately I think that Joe Biden is a better candidate because one he's been able to secure more turnout in states compared to Hillary Clinton in 2016 he's done better job securing more turnout his policies are more widely more widely successful in or more widely I think more widely beneficial in the fact in the sense that they are much like leader to get through Congress much like leader to affect the American people in positive ways I think Joe Biden has shown that he is an adaptable fundamentally decent man who can take us back from the brink of I think American authoritarianism under present Donald Trump and so while I don't think anybody has a moral obligation really to vote one way or another I think ultimately that's a voluntary decision that everybody should make on their own if you believe in this country and you think that this country should be a better place and you want to do something to make this country a better place I think the answer then is to vote for for the democratic nominee whoever it may be if it is Bernie Sanders no hope against hopes I will certainly vote for him and if it is Joe Biden as I believe and hope that will be I absolutely will vote for him because Donald Trump is the most dangerous man in the most powerful office in the world and I think that the case for Joe Biden is pretty strong on that basis alone but on top of that he's a good man and his policies will make Americans lives better even if they are ultimately different a lot of ways from those of Bernie Sanders alright thanks so much for that Atlas so to go in reverse and if a state wants to respond to one of these points I understand how controversial this one comes sure but it's kind of unfair sure in the last moment but it comes back to his decency as a good man so we'll tackle that one night when I come across it in reverse I would accredit Joe Biden's likability and his increased voter turnout not to his own likability but to the actual price the opposition to Donald Trump right Donald Trump is probably one of the most intimidating presidents that our countries are faced that so it's waking a lot of voters that's why I think that the voter turnouts as high as it's kind of it has it has been on both sides though which is what this was the other issue is as far as his voting record it shows his lack of vision for the future right he has voted for things like Iraq war he's voted for bailouts for AIG as they turn around and give themselves billion dollar bailouts and as the as far as the decency of a good man Vox and other other age and other news agencies are recently reporting his sexual assault allegations as well as creepy behavior around around people I understand that that is a last minute bring up I would love to talk about some more but due to our time constraints that is this is how it is speaking to his likability and who he is behind closed doors right whereas Bernie Sanders right while he may not be a perfect ideal candidate even for myself right he is an elderly aging white old man who is who has continuously pressed these issues for the last 30 years and that's why I credit him for his work that he's continuously done right and it's why I'll be voting for him right because I approve his policies I approve his ideal and I approve of his vision right I don't think it's he's gonna he's he's gonna save all of us from from the issue because once he gets in the office there is gonna there is a huge road ahead right but if we want to fix our underlying issues as American voters all I am saying is that we vote our conscience and we vote what we believe in and not for what we don't believe in and when we continuously get forced into voting for what we don't believe in other people make the choices for us neoliberal corporatism no offense your side right makes that choice for us every day and they're very good at it right they're very good at it with their marketing they're very good at at at who they don't at who receives donations and who doesn't okay that's why that's why Joe Bynes receive all these all these endorsements because they all know each other they're all buddies right and it's fine right but the issue is that American voters in order to fix our underlying problems we need to vote for what we believe in and not for what we don't believe in and that is all I'm saying all right thanks so much yeah I'll I'll respond that you know I think I'm specifically the yeah yeah yeah well I think it is I guess it it's kind of you know it's sort of a model for I suppose with a Bernie Sanders campaign not even the campaign really a lot of his online supporters especially on Twitter seem to be where they haven't reached the stage of acceptance yet they're still court kind of in a stage of desperation slinging right-wing talking points like an unsupported unproven, unevidenced allegation of sexual assault that most in fact all mainstream media has generally speaking refused to report on and this is because so little evidence in fact almost no evidence beyond the the accused or rather the our alleged testimony has been provided she has changed her story several times repeatedly said that it was not sexual assault until she started communicating with the Bernie Sanders community and then after communicating with the Bernie Sanders community decided to change her story and then come forward with a new set of facts do you think you finish my point when you finish my point because you made a very explosive allegation there in the last in the last moment here in the last moment here and then said that you know we're running out of time I understand that maybe it just slipped your mind but that's that's a lot to drop know why is communication director Cade Bettingfield so the allegations are false and said that women have a right to tell their stories and reporters have an obligation vigorously vet those claims I have no doubt that reporters will vigorously vet those claims I'm glad that that she has come forward and told her story I think ultimately the evidence for it is lacking and it will not be a factor certainly it comes president Trump who's got so many allegations of his own that this will be a footnote in the in the election to come beyond that I think the credibility of the of the person question is highly spec is highly specious given her repeated claims not just that Joe Biden had not engaged in any kind of sexual assault whatsoever again until this year but also over her previous support for the Vladimir Putin regime which she had read repeatedly expressed support for in fact at one point she said she left Biden's office because of his his family blows up imperial yes she she wrote in December 2018 that she quit working for Biden to pursue a vocation yards because she quote loves Russia with all her heart and rejected the quote reckless imperialism of America and what she saw as an anti-russian view on Capitol Hill then she changed her story this year to say that Joe Biden committed sexual assault it's disgusting it's on evidence and it will go nowhere all right thanks so much for that response all right we're gonna move to Q&A because we don't have that much time we have one of our contenders has to be out of here by 10 o'clock p.m. Eastern so with that thanks everyone for your patreon and super chat as well as your questions I will get to them here I want to start with a super chat from Steven Steen thanks so much for your 199 super chat says reflect we've settled on true bid or burr for 2020 so I think that's Trump Biden or Bernie for 2020 and he's saying reflect on that so I guess that's for him that's a pretty bad options he also had another question saying question for best yet how many rape allegations oh so this follow-up how many rape allegations is a presidential candidate allowed before they shouldn't be considered for the presidency my line is one well I'll tell you this right now you can expect a lot of vicious attacks to come from president Trump and I would say if president Trump were to for example engage in the kind of dirty politics he's engaged in and stir up some kind of sexual assault allegations against whoever the Democratic candidate may be I would hope we would be very curious and very skeptical about them if they didn't come with some form of evidence you know I mean it was previously a maximum in this country that you know you're innocent until proven guilty and you know I think it's worth remembering one thing about the you know about the the movement to believe women it's never been an injunction to publish every allegation sexual abuse without hesitation reservations about taking these stories seriously on their own terms instead of just dismissing them as women's attempts to manipulate people in public opinion and ultimately I think that's what we've got to do we've got to look and see what's the evidence is the evidence there let's vetted let's see what all the facts are and then ultimately we should either accept these stories or dismiss them as the evidence permits but you know ultimately to say that allegations are coming president Trump is gonna drop a lot of unsupported allegations on whoever the nomination nominee is it's gonna be a real dirty campaign from the dirtiest man never hold the office so I just I think that's kind of an unfair question all right thanks so much yeah we could answer quickly though yeah go ahead so do you just if you could in a few words right do you think that Brett Kavanaugh's allegations his accusers were those allegations are impounded oh there was more evidence for those and they they had a bunch of those you know yearbooks testimonies and yearbooks you know so there was something there beyond the person's testimony although you know ultimately the evidence in that case was it wasn't his what's that do you think I'll break in the sexual do you think Alfred gun should have been disbarred should have been a removed from his seat from for his for his allegations I I probably would not suggest that he be resigned all that he resigned it seems like the story was that he took an inappropriate picture rather than gauging inappropriate touching and while I think that was pretty disgusting I know that's enough to invalidate a democratic election all right that being said you know that's that's ultimately the way I feel I think that evidence and proof are important all right thanks so much this is in bars but go ahead thanks so much for that we have another question from another super chat from Steven Steen says converse contender is a Bernie bro totally inaccurate by the way but we will move forward yeah we'll move forward from that subtracted says converse question for a best yet Joe Biden can be seen with clear mental decline that Biden has supported the Iraq war cutting social security and cutting Medicaid if we could though since we're really on top actually as quick as possible like your elevator pitch so okay we're talking about the Iraq war ultimately I'm not I'll tell you this right now I'm not even necessarily against Iraq war I'm against its execution and the way the occupation went down but the notion of toppling Saddam Hussein is a bad idea I think toppling Saddam Hussein was a good thing it was ultimately the occupation the way the war was totally mishandled I'm not against toppling this dictators I think the United States is ever right to do so and should basically make that decision on a cost-benefit basis so that's one two as far as his vote as far as his vote on or sorry was the second part of that he he said that he's had clear mental decline and that he supported the cutting social security okay yeah I so okay so I reject the mental decline point as I mentioned earlier there you know older people are slower Bernie Sanders is slower than he used to speak but you know I mean it is what it's he's a better speaker than Joe Biden I'll give him that but as far as as far as the last point Social Security Social Security Medicaid advocated for freeze for it a freeze not a not a cut but a freeze which is to say not an increase either for a couple of years in the 90s as part of a larger seven negotiations I don't think it wasn't a cut it was a freeze you could argue that that's a cut but that's a matter of semantics many proposals some of them and cuts some of them freezes sure all right thanks so much for those for that response Stephen Stain another $2 super chat says dims went from Obama to this what the frick so I'll say I'll say that it is it is sad I think that we are bridging is sort of in a way I think it's unfortunate that we've got a sort of gerontocracy type thing going like the Soviet Union had in the late 80s where the average age of the Politburo members who ruled the country was over there you know over 70 years I would like to have a diversity in age and opinion and race and gender and all that but you know you work with what you got right now it's just weird how that just works out all every year after year of years weird not year after year Obama was in his 40s when he got elected you know a young black male president it's not every single year Obama would be anomaly out and I would agree right but it's weird we go from Bush to Clinton to Clinton to Bush to and we are now a Trump which is another anomaly right whatever post that we just can't we continue with the trend of making anomalies we don't go back to the trends we used to have all right so much you know well you know we clearly disagree on the notion that this that either of them would be an anomaly all right thanks so much for those responses another five dollars from chat from anamorphic mind says why is Steven steen sending me pics of him and converse contender together again totally inaccurate I don't go to Nickelback concerts so it can have happened all right Tiaga I said yeah the allegations keep piling up all right so Tiaga says can you ask best yet what his reasoning is for or against universal health care quickly please sure yeah I actually I'm supporting universal health care I just supported along the German model the model of a lot of countries where they don't abolish private insurance they have private insurance but government also plays a role in basically playing the gaps the German system I think is probably the closest one that America could model because it still has a major role for private insurance to play I don't think first of all I don't think it's realistic that the United States could have ever abolished private insurance but I also don't think it's a I don't think it's a good thing a lot of Americans do you know like the private health care plans you know I for example do and but you know ultimately I want universal coverage I just wanted in a way where the state will guarantee it without being also basically the sole provider as it would be in Medicare for all all right thanks so much for that we have a $5 super chat from stupid whore energy Sarah asked how can Atlas she calls herself that by the way how can Atlas not vote against someone who separated children from their parents and botched a response to a pandemic I would argue that a proper response to those things would be an impeachment for Donald Trump and I there's nothing there's no evil the note there's no act that one man can do that will force me to vote for somebody else I just want to say real quick I basically agree that you can't be obligated to participate in the political process I mean I I think that it's certainly in our self-interest to get rid of Don Trump he's ruining the country and we'll you know gradually grant us all up I think if we don't stop him but yeah I don't think anybody can be like morally obligated to vote all right thanks so much for those responses Brent Calar says covers question for Bastia who will win her who will Biden choose for his VP who it seems like the the I like to check out election betting odds calm just kind of is a you know as kind of a browner for what the what the pulse is betting markets are kind of interesting they're coming in their own is sort of a supplement to polling and it seems like the the smart money is on Kamala Harris or Amy Klobuchar I'm guessing he'll probably pick one of them or Stacey Abrams I'm kind of I'm kind of excited about Stacey Abrams I think he's got a I think he's he could she came real close in Georgia I think you know it might be an opportunity to secure a Democratic vote there but I think Amy Klobuchar if I had to guess Amy Klobuchar to try and secure the Midwest all right thanks so much of those women who have been great presidents all right thanks so much for those thanks so much for that now we have a stupid whore energy thanks for your other $3 silver chat she asked well actually this is during the time when you guys were talking about Biden maybe being older and see now and she says how about when Trump confused Missouri for Kansas so that's not really a question but more of a comment I don't think you're gonna get much argument between the two of us sure and Trump's Trump's issues with his cerebral capacity all right thanks so much for that our father in the green thanks for your $10 super chat says best yet are you concerned Biden will not win over swing state voters Hillary didn't Hillary didn't why do you think Biden will this time consider an already lower apathetic turnout with the virus low turnout benefits GOP well the virus is certainly new factory I mean I guess we'll have to see how that plays out I don't think that's gonna hurt Joe Biden considering he ended up winning Florida anyway I know both of the candidates had advocated that you know and vote if you feel healthy enough you know I mean so I don't know that that you know I don't know how the virus will play out I don't think it'll be something that hurts one candidate more than another but beyond that look Hillary Clinton's whole reason why she spent more time in California in New York than the Midwest states that you mentioned the swing states was that she thought the real problem would be that she'd secure an electoral college victory over Trump and not a popular vote victory and that he would then challenge the legitimacy of the election she mistakenly thought that she had those states in the back and so she was trying to run up that vote total for the sake of basically legitimizing what she thought would be her inevitable win she was wrong in that sense and I have no doubt that whoever the Democratic candidate is will recognize that and spend a lot of time campaigning in those swing states all right thanks so much Atlas got one for you stupid or energy thanks your $5 super chat ask why did Sanders vote against the Brady Bill five times I am a layman so I'm gonna have to look up with the Brady Bill that was the that was the I think the bill that would have made it so you could sue gun rights man or gun manufacturers and he was from a rural state where they have a different opinion on gun rights and you know he's changed his opinion since then you know so I understand so even myself right there are a lot of Bernie Sanders supporters as well as myself that you know and we I don't want to speak for all Bernie Sanders supporters but I myself I am not a anti-gun rights ownership all right I feel that Bernie Sanders is similar and if I were to quote him I'm pretty sure on his Joe Ruggan podcast where he spoke about that extensively it was good 20 minutes on there about that all right thanks so much we have a picture on question from Brian Stevens asked to best best yet can you name the three best policies Joe Biden has in this campaign sure first of all Joe Biden is I think his position on trade is to you know I think the trade has probably been the single most damaging policy of the Trump administration and I think it's probably the single most damaging policy of a potential Bernie Sanders administration trade has made America rich I know it's come with some costs but the challenge is meeting those costs rather than throwing trade out so Joe Biden wants to maintain trade and and I think hopefully who knows if you know the coronavirus will change is hopefully not expand it expand free trade globally I'm hoping for revival of the Trans-Pacific partnership to kind of box it in China bring it into the international world order in a positive way so that's one making DACA permit I think that's a very important one taking a second look at our you know basically improving our immigration laws and then third Joe Biden's plan basically Medicare kind of for all who wanted I guess that's the name there I think it's a good policy it's something we can do in our existing framework that will help a lot of people so those are my top three all right thank you so much for that all right we have Tioga says hope you recover from the rona not sure that was for but we thanks for that $2 super chat subtracted another $5 super chat thank you so much subtracted says best yet you support invaded Iraq illegally Bush lied about Saddam Hussein having weapons of mass destruction and the Iraq war killed 500,000 people yeah yeah look I said my problem the Iraq war was the exit the execution not the notion of toppling Saddam Hussein Saddam Hussein was a murderous butcher who killed thousands of his own people with poison gas killing him was a service to humanity in America has every right to do so it has no obligation to respect the rights such as they are of dictatorship so there's every right to topple them as it sees fit it's a cost-benefit consideration ultimately I think the United States made the wrong call it thought that that occupying Iraq would be really easy to do and I think that's something you could have seen in advance but I think that you know that's a question of basically practicality not whether the decision was like morally right because being young men and women's lives specifically but yeah it's absolutely the cost being young men and women's lives in the cause of freedom yeah so is that it that's I think that's a word I think that's a worthwhile cause all right thanks so much for that and let's see the do so it was the approach thanks so much for that nobody here says thanks for your $5 super chat says do you really think that because Bernie want to make money out of politics had no impact on my DMs and media backed Biden I'm not sure I understand it so do you really think that Bernie wanted to make money do you really think that Bernie wants to make money out of politics had no impact on my DMs and media back by as in if I'm I think I'm guessing here that it's sort of what he means is basically do you think basically the media lined up against Biden because he is more the sort of money in politics candidate that's the implication yeah yeah I don't know that that's I don't know that's a fair just another weird coincidence so I don't think it's a weird question sorry let me clarify his question is that do you really think that Bernie the fact that Bernie he missed some words here but you think that the fact that Bernie wants to take money out of politics had no impact on why the DMs and media backed Biden yeah yeah no I see I don't think so considering Bernie completely outraised Biden at every stage of the race until maybe relatively recently I mean Bernie had way more money and was buying way more advertising than Joe Biden who basically was running a threadbare I'm screwy kind of weak campaign until he won South Carolina so money politics Bernie Sanders had way more money in politics I don't know if he's since Eclipse Joe Biden I would assume or Joe Biden has since Eclipse him I would guess so since he's now the presumptive nominee but until very recently Bernie Sanders had more money in this election than Joe Biden I buy a substantial factor but not by corporate pack money but by small donors right yeah I mean I is it like what's the issue though with respect to the media like ultimately the media wants to sell ads they don't care where you're getting the money from they care that you're giving them so there's two there's two aspects to when you want to sell ads right you got it you gotta you gotta actually make make money for your shareholders and you also gotta have the boss approve upstairs right it's the boss that proves upstairs part that they're implicating that you know maybe maybe you want to take money out of corporate politics then maybe they're getting you know marching water from upstairs another another probably more reasonable explanation for it is not that they're taking marching waters but that is just the culture of the rich bourgeois class from them they just don't actually they actually don't interface with the with the regular voter yeah there could be something to that although ultimately the regular voter voted for Joe Biden since he got more votes all right thanks much for the sponsor media after me go ahead all right so we only got about seven more minutes so if we go into the speed round here we got a couple more super chats one says from Stringer news one thanks much for your $2 super chat says I don't believe in buying votes for Joe Biden all right thanks so much for that unless you guys have something to say about that I move on our father green thanks again for your $5 super chat Atlas do you think the movement should think beyond electoralism organizing and a outside very obviously rig process rigging best yet has no shame ignore so I would say that that is definitely an option on the table but that's as option as we the people would have to discuss and it's a very interesting question on how we the people decide that you know as the working class at the labor class as we are the ones with the votes but somehow we are the ones that constantly are throwing away about and that's why I suggest a change in policy and change of behavior on how we as people all right well I don't know who we the people are since again by a factor of two to one they voted for Joe Biden the people the United States of America who voted so far but I will say this I have the utmost respect for an high opinion for Bernie Sanders in his quest to kill the monopoly guy but the fact is this you want a real revolution you're gonna need to put your life on the line last time I checked most Americans are not interested in doing that they want to make their lives better through electoral politics they want this democracy to work they don't want to circumvent the electoral process they want to participate in the electoral process make it better vote for the best candidate out there and I think they can use Joe Biden all right thanks a lot history yeah America's country performed not revolution all right thanks so much now we're done with our super chats we're gonna move on to our last questions here Lance plays lol says question for Bastiat are you in favor of pole rigging voter suppression in favor of Biden as we saw from the exit polling 12% for Bernie and plus 12% or sorry minus 12% for Bernie plus 12% for Biden in MAVT Texas sit California North Carolina etc yeah look I mean if somebody's got some evidence that the the votes were rigged I'm open here as far as I've seen there's no evidence the elections are free and fair and Joe Biden cleaned up in them but again if people have some evidence that the that the election was rigged American elections by the way they are not just kind of one top-down election they are held on a local basis they are administered state by state county by county is bounding by municipality that's a whole lot of rigging to do that's a real complex process and it'd be a real amazing thing to see it happen with no leaks so somebody's got some proof that it happened I'm ready to hear it but that notion that is rigged is basically that's a hit me up for the links and I'll send you so let's hear it let's hear it but so far it sounds like it's got a lot of cases in Iowa caucuses the shadowing shadowing just having some weird weird issues with the voting machines and and how how the data was actually broken down P. Buttigieg giving campaign giving campaign donations right I mean these are all just minor coincidence and minor strange things that just go on yeah you're talking about the shadowing situation where Pete Buttigieg paid forty thousand in fact forty thousand dollars Joe Biden I think twenty something thousand a couple of other candidates paid some money I believe it one point the burning campaign bought some service from that company I'd have to check that but ultimately what your allegation is that this company decided to rig an election for forty two thousand dollars commit suicide for forty two thousand dollars it's ridiculous on its face is a fact that the issue is that the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the