 and Sandy Ashmore from that guy's family farm. We are in southwest Ohio in between Cincinnati and Dayton. And our SARA project was economic impact of late season tomatoes started from suckers versus seed. And we're getting our suckers from existing tomato plants and seeing how much time savings that would be a busy time. We also kind of limited on labor and equipment for greenhouse space. So suckers could be just taken from the plant and started and we're doing a trial here with three different varieties. And we are a certified organic farm. So we are following all those practices as well. The varieties that we have in here are really field varieties and not varieties you might find in a tunnel situation. So we have some Arkansas travelers for testing some heirlooms. Big beef a very traditional red slicer. And then we have fourth of July which would be an early producer. Early tomato. Yeah. And one thing about for being certified organic it's hard to find late season tomato starts that are certified organic. So that's one reason we're really excited about these suckers. We could take them right from our farm and not have to worry search somewhere for expensive late season tomatoes. And we're hoping in the tunnels you know a lot of research has been done on disease resistance. So we're kind of hoping to see how suckers will do with plants started from seed. Yeah. We are also you know curious about you know wisdom and knowledge from the past. So this whole idea came about from someone telling us at market that their father would always start his late season tomatoes from the suckers. So just you know a light bulb moment we decided we thought we could do that. We are also a farm that didn't produce too many transplants in a greenhouse. So we did a lot of direct seeding. We depend on another grower that would do some of our transplants. So this was one way we could you know get get a transplant without having a greenhouse. Well I think you know if you're a limited resource farmer with smaller equipment you really wouldn't need a greenhouse to start these transplants. You wouldn't have to invest in the potting soil and the likes. You can just take these suckers right off the plant. And right there I think it's a big win situation that you don't have to worry in July if your seedlings are going to die in a greenhouse because you forgot the water which came close. Yeah. And I think it just really kind of helps be a full circle to keep everything on the farm. Your inputs are coming from the farm that you're working on and you're helping to build your soil to build your plants to continue that circle. I want to just snap it off and you would just stick that right in the soil mix. About there we do. First you know two or three days they're going to look like they're dead. It's kind of like spinach and then within about two weeks they'll be almost root bound in the container. Sarah we went to Sarah because we've seen some research projects they've done in the past and it seemed like they're free thinkers too and willing to support new ideas maybe even old ideas like the suckers from transplants and they've been great to work with so far and I think they're really good at spreading education across the country in different regions they have and it's really been a big help and we always like looking at what everybody else is trying and you don't know to do it really on the farm if it's going to work or not in a real life situation and I think Sarah's going to help in us do that.