 Aloha and welcome back to another episode of The Savvy Chick Show on Think Tech Hawaii. I'm your host, Chantel Seville. Now today I'm very excited because I want to help you land your dream job and live the life you've always imagined and that's why I've invited, to the show today, the extraordinarily talented career coach, Kylie Butler. She's all the way from Sydney, Australia. Now before I introduce her, I'd just like to share a bit more with you about what you can expect in this episode. So we'll firstly learn about Kylie's journey to becoming a career coach and founding inspired careers. Secondly, we'll find out a bit about what careers are out there that you might not have heard of and probably weren't around when your parents were your age, no matter how old you are. And then we'll go on to some success stories that you too can realize that your dreams are possible. So Kylie will share some success stories of her clients. And last but not least, and most importantly, do stay tuned for the whole episode because in the second segment, Kylie's going to share all kinds of her wealth of knowledge, tips and tricks about how you can land your dream job. So without further ado, welcome Kylie. Thank you. Thank you for having me on the show. I'm very excited. I'm very excited. Ever since we met, you know, a while back there, I was just so inspired because, you know, I'm all about bringing out the best in people and really wanting them to live their purpose, their dream job, but that's not my, my purpose is not exactly to coach them there. So it is yours. And that's why I thought who better to get on the show than Kylie so we can all get on track, whether you're 12 and don't know what you want to do or 50 and wanting to change careers. I know you're the woman that can help. So can you please share how did you start your journey? Wow. OK, well, let me try and make this story brief because it's a little bit of a long story because, yeah, I've got 20 years experience now. I often just say that kind of say 15 plus, but it's actually five. Since you were five, you're 25 now. So my journey, my journey actually started in recruitment. So agency recruitment and I started out with very altruistic motive. So I really wanted to help people, but for most people who work with recruitment agencies, you'll kind of find that that's not really the nature in which many of them kind of operate. So I spent a few great years, though, doing agency recruitment, placing people in jobs. And I love that. And then gave the travel bar kidney went overseas. I worked in London, in Dublin, I worked in Rome. I moved into generalist recruitment and then generalist HR, learning and development. I worked on grad recruitment development programs, came back to Australia, but wanted to get more into internal work because recruitment can be quite sales based. And then I worked within businesses on strategic talent acquisition and I kind of worked my way up and I found there was a real values misalignment with one of the companies that I was working crazily for. And I thought, OK, well, how else can I take my talents to the world? You know, I have all these skills and I know exactly what it takes to get to be the selected as the top candidate. How can I use my skills for good and not evil? So that's when I launched Inspired Careers. And I started out doing some coaching and I was also consulting to businesses at the same time, helping them with their recruitment and their selection processes. And I got lured back into the corporate world and took on a couple of big HR leadership roles, one for a global social media business and another one for comms. And then the universe gave me a little bit of another nudge and said, no, you need to be taking your talents to the world in a different way. And I relaunched Inspired Careers. And yes, so that's that's what I do now. So I help people get basically kind of my clients fall into two camps. Firstly, people who really want to get clear on the type of role that is really going to light them up from the inside. So whether they're, you know, you know, at school at uni, recent grads, changing careers, getting back into the workforce after having children or or there's people who just want to get savvy with their job search. So rather than kind of fishing around in the kind of the job pools and trawling through the job sites, they want to get really clear and know how to do a competency based interview, know what a great CV looks like and just get out there and get their dream job. So I help them with that. And then I also do a lot with LinkedIn as well. So I've got another standalone site which develops with a team of writers that sit behind it that develop LinkedIn profiles, because that's an incredibly powerful way to to now get found for work. So kind of cut out that whole terrible hunting process. And yeah, I think that the LinkedIn profiles, I can't wait to share that a little bit more in the in the second segment because really, I mean, the days of trying to hunt and look for something you don't know what it is. And for myself, it's all about being who who you are. So if you can be who you are and people could find you for that, that's revolutionary. So it really onto something with that for sure with with all the different careers you've seen, because I know, especially young people, they're kind of thinking they don't know what they want to do because they don't realize the extraordinary amount of careers and types of careers are out there. So can you share some that you've seen on, you know, some titles and just the most interesting ones that perhaps can open people's minds to what's really out there for them and perhaps even where they might find them? Look, there is so there are so many new roles. I mean, firstly, there's obviously a lot in the digital space because, you know, 20, 30 years ago, I mean, we're only just kind of moving into having computers on our, you know, our own PCs at work. So and obviously the World Wide Web has happened. So there are so many digital roles, but also so many specialist roles. So even if I think so, like in every single area, so when I tell people that I work on employment branding, they're like, employment branding, like that's a job. But some of some of the exciting roles that I that I've recruited for and that I know of and that I know people that are in creative technologist, that's a that's a great one. It's a little mix between kind of strategy, IT, marketing, a community manager. So lots of fun roles in social media, lots of great ones there. So managing, so, for example, Coca-Cola have a Facebook page. You know, it's not somebody could go or maybe someone from Coca-Cola, but it's it's not it's often outsourced to an agency that would do that. So people manage communities across different social channels, connections designer, SEO specialist, an app developer path. You can be a big data analyst. People loved it really into their data these days and find insights, sustainability director, obviously, with the move towards really caring for the environment. And a lot of Gen Ys really it's important for them in their job choice that an organisation has a sustainability policy. So you could be internally as a sustainability director within a large corporate. You could be a blogger. So like blogger, but video, you could be a blogger. But that's I mean, everyone knows about bloggers. You could be a blogger. You could be a UX designer. So designing the user experience on websites. Yeah, there are so many exciting new jobs out there. And that's even that's in digital. And as you've said, that's that's where a lot of where society is going. For someone who is looking at doing one of these jobs, like, where do they actually even find them? Or what do they study to get to them? Or how does that work? Well, it's interesting because obviously, you know, there's not a uni degree to be a blogger or there's not a uni degree, you know, to be an app developer. So that's the interesting thing because we used to have these kind of quite linear parts, you know, people talked about, you know, the career ladder and you kind of went up, up, up in this direction. But now it's kind of more of a matrix. We kind of go across and we leave our way across. And so, I mean, in terms of the tech roles, there's obviously, you know, you can do a, you know, IT degree at uni. And then there are specialist courses at different colleges around some of the specific skills. You'll find that there are certainly in Australia and across the world, the specialist as these new roles are emerging. There are more, not so much universities. They can still give you some great core skills, but there are lots of different learning institutions that will are giving you kind of specific, give you some of those specific skills. But sometimes it's really about learning on the job. I think the smarter, more progressive employers look more for attitude than skill because you can always train technical skill. If somebody has self-awareness and learning agility, then, you know, they can learn those skills. So attitude still is more and more important. And the smarter employers are getting a lot better at interviewing for competencies such as self-awareness, learning agility, your ability to develop relationships, your ability to have, you know, analytical skills if it was a big data role, looking for those core competencies more than the technical skills, and then you can get trained in those. And the great thing about that is actually you get self-development. So you're you're becoming a better person with your own personal growth as well as doing something that actually interests and inspires you. So that's I mean, I think that's a good thing for people in general, as you and I are both passionate about people. So that's absolutely. Well, I mean, Google's always put up as kind of the big example. But they have developed an internal program that was developed by an engineer could search inside yourself. And that is all about meditation and how you bring it into the workplace. So I'm essentially training your mind. And so, I mean, yeah, the progressive employers are very, very focused on personal development. Because I mean, if you're really smart, if somebody's I mean, for it's a smart strategy for an organisation because they're investing in you and then you mean you invest in them. Or it makes you stickier as an employee, more likely to stay with them. So that investment kind of they get to benefit from. And and yeah, you are getting you are developing more as a person and you're a better person working in their in their workplace, more engaged, getting along better with people. And I just wanted before we have the breaks, we've got a little bit of time. But before the break, I want I'd love if you could share some success stories, perhaps of your clients that have gone from doing a completely different career or someone who's just new, knew what they wanted to land at a dream job. Any exciting stories you can share so people could relate to perhaps realising their dreams are possible? Yeah, sure. I mean, I because obviously we had we had a bit of a chat before we came online. I'm thinking, oh, which story should which client should I should I talk about? Because there are so many interesting journeys that as I said, you know, there's some exciting new roles out there now, too. If I think of one of my one of my clients, she studied law. And I think that it was probably her parents who gave her a little bit of a nudge that that's what she needed to do. But she really was passionate about writing. So these days, a lot of people don't necessarily need to have a journalism degree anymore to actually get a writing job. So she just started applying for jobs that she saw on a there's a, you know, a fun site called Pedestrian in TV here in Australia, which has got lots of creative roles on it and yet picked up a job doing some writing and then picked up another role doing some legal editing. So she's she's doing this amazing thing because she's she's not actually going down the poor writer's path. I think it's anyone who has chosen that path. But she's got this now this blend of doing some more kind of creative writing and using her legal editing skills. I've got another another great little story. She studied psychology and then got her foot in the door in a was was trying to get into HR initially, because that's where she thought she'd take her psych skills and couldn't find a job, got an internship from that internship, got a foot in the door, a really great business and then thought, oh, no, I actually like social media. So she'd moved over and did another internship in social and yeah, and now got a job as a as a social media manager. So that all happened relatively, relatively fast for her. Another great story. One of my favorite clients full time. She shouldn't have papers, you know, I mean, we're not mentioning names. So it's OK. I mean, that said, I feel really blessed because I do get to work with a lot of amazing people because the type of people who really want to invest in themselves and get really clear on what it is that drives and what are their values and what talents they have to bring to the world are generally, you know, a pretty great people. And so this particular client studied fashion and journalism. And and she was a little bit like, oh, where do I go with this? Where do I take these skills? And and she moved into doing fashion writing. She worked for one of the really big online ASOS, one of the big online fashion retailers. And yeah, and she's just kind of just gone gangbusters with her career from there, getting headhunted all over the place. It's so interesting, like the different stories that you tell of the different paths, as you mentioned, and especially the psychology one, that's quite interesting. Psychology to social media, you think, where are the. But really, I mean, when I studied marketing, buyer behavior is huge. So if you can understand the psychology of people. Imagine how much that brings to the social media space that the other candidate going for that position who might even have experience in social media doesn't know. So that's that's really interesting. Yeah, like even the psychology of social sharing, you know, like it's fascinating, you really need to get into the buyer's mind to understand, you know, to put together a really smart strategy in that space. So yeah, although it wouldn't seem like a really kind of natural link when you first think about it, it really, really does make sense. And there are a lot of connections like that. That's obviously just one. And this way, when you can obviously when you see your clients or you see people and meet them, you can actually probably see what their talent is and relate it to another career that they might not even thought of or heard of. But yet they're so perfect for it. And I think that that's the beauty of you and your skill and what you do. Because you can bring out these hidden talents and people that are actually their biggest shining talent. And that's when you do now that you've started doing the LinkedIn profiles and doing your coaching courses online and all these different types of things just to open people's minds. So that's something that excites me so much. Yeah, it is exciting because I've worked in like internal recruitment in generalist, I know, you know, what, you know, how what, you know, how many many career avenues there really are in terms of, you know, legal, finance, IT, marketing, you know, there are so many different opportunities. So sometimes I'll see someone and they've gone down a particular path. They've got really strong analytical skills and and they're also got a bit of sales skills like commercial finance analyst. Perfect. So yeah, there are some amazing new roles out there. And yeah, lots of opportunities to get excited because there's you can take your skills to the world in so many different ways now rather than, you know, before you think, OK, finance accountant. OK, and that and that and that's what you did. But now there are so many other, you know, new and exciting ways that you can use, take those accounting skills. Yeah, out into the world. And what's even more new and exciting is what we're going to do after the episode when we come back and share all your tips and tricks and knowledge and how we can get to living and having our dream jobs like this one. And with that, be sure if you like, you can always tweet us or you can give us a call in the Think Tech Hawaii hotline and ask our specialist, Kylie, some questions because she's not that accessible unless you're her coaching client. So be sure to take this opportunity and we'll look forward to seeing you after the break. Hello, I'm Marianne Sasaki. 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And also if you miss an episode or if you're just catching us, be sure to go to the Savy Chicks website. You can see all the previous episodes there, as well as the Think Tech Hawaii YouTube. You can see all of what Think Tech Hawaii does there, too. So welcome back, Kylie Butler. We're going to talk more about careers and how to land your dream job and basically be the best person you be and live a life you love. So let's let's get back to it, Kylie. OK, well, now what I want to know, what everyone wants to know, what are some good tips, tricks, some knowledge you can share to really get everyone inspired to want to go out there. And, you know, if they're in a mundane job or they're not sure what they want to do when they finish school to really get them thinking about the next steps. OK, sure. So the first thing that I would suggest anyone does is get really clear on who they are and then what they want. So often people when they find themselves in a position where they're like really unsure about what that next career move should look like or even what that next job should look like. If you clear on your kind of career path, generally that uncertainty becomes because there is a lack of clarity around who you are often. So sometimes it's just really about connecting back into who you are and what really matters to you. And this is also something that I see quite often when people have unsuccessful job searches in terms of unsuccessful as they don't find the career or the job they're after or they do find it. But it's not one that satisfies them is they skip this piece of work. And that is around getting really clear on who you are, what your values are, what your unique talents are, what your passions are and really what lights you up from the inside. So there are many ways to do this. One is firstly, if you don't have a daily meditation practice, I would say get clear on that because you do need some time to be really still with yourself to really connect to your inner insight and wisdom to get clarity over what really matters to you. So often when I I've got a podcast myself and often when I interview people, I joke and say sometimes it's like I scripted these podcasts because all of these successful people tell the same story around. They had this moment at this particular minute where they had this epiphany and it was when they got really clear. They were it was like a sunset moment or something where they were right in right in that present moment and totally connected to who they are. And that's when they got real clarity around the decision they were making with the right one, what decision to make. You know, so firstly, get still and get really clear connected to who you are and your inner wisdom. And then you need to put pen to paper or, you know, tap on the keyboard. Some people say it's it's better actually writing these things down. But whatever works for you, use an app, whatever. But get far and out. Firstly, what your values are. Now, you can do if you can even do some good because there's free values assessments online all over the shop, but get really clear on what your core values are, because with any role, that's something that you can't compromise on. So if your top value is being honest or it's integrity, then if you go to work for an organisation and your boss is just a little bit dodgy or a little bit shippy, you're never going to feel comfortable there. But if you're someone that one of your top values is around, you know, is it like an economic value and, you know, commercials something that drives you more than say somebody who is more altruistic? Then, you know, that actually doesn't matter so much. And you know what? It is important that you get the corner office. But often people go into the job search too early without getting clear on these things and they get dazzled by what's shiny and new. So they're like, oh, car, you know, corner office, you know. I mean, I have these perks, fantastic. But they didn't factor in that really work like balance is more important to them because, you know, they've got the kids or all they're planning to have children or whatever it is. So firstly, take the time out to get really clear on what your values are. What what puts you in flow? Like, when do you get really lost in a task? Think about moments in your life in work or outside of work where you just get so caught up that the joy is not necessarily about the outcome of the task, but the actual task itself, you get like immense joy from. So when are you in flow? What are your values? What what do you want to be when you were younger? What were you before society told you that you couldn't be an astronaut or you couldn't own a zoo? You know, what did you really want to be something? I mean, there are lots of different schools of thinking, but sometimes people say at about eleven, what did you want to be? So call your mum, text your mum now and say, well, when I was little, you know, what did I want to be or what was unique about me? Was it you were playing or whatever? You know, for some people, it's very clear. I did a podcast interview the other day with a girl who is a who is a singer and a musician. And she said that she got a saxophone when she was really young and went off and taught herself basically all of the nursery rhymes and then came back, sat her mum down and gave her a show. You know, some people it's, you know, it just is, you know, they know, but they're kind of for the majority of us, that's not the case. We need to do a bit of soul searching on, you know, really what does excite us and what lights us up from the inside. What unique talents do we have? You know, what do we get really passionate about? What are our interests? Now, I will also throw out a little bit of a disclaimer here and say it's not quite as straightforward as just follow your passion. Oh, you love cooking. Yay. You know, open up, start cooking from home and run your own business. You know, that might not work if you're somebody who's very risk averse. So you need to get really clear on these things that really matter to you because running your own business, even if you are an incredibly talented cook, requires a whole different skill set. So firstly, get really clear and then make that decision. OK, well, what do I love about cooking? Well, I love, you know, coming up with the concepts for new ideas or how can you apply that to your career and then also use some of your other competencies? So you might be great at sales and business development, but you'll get a role where ideation is part of the role. So it doesn't need to be really as linear as, you know, you know, I paint, I'm going to be a painter. You know, you can how do you take those creative skills to the world? And that's where I can kind of help with that. So get clear on the values, get clear on your passions. When will you inflow? What are your unique skills? And then look at the current marketplace and look at potential applications for those. So, yeah, you can work with a coach or you could, you know, talk to recruiters, you can do your own desktop research in terms of how you take those talents to the world. That's the first thing I would say. The next thing I would say is also when you go to actually, so you're ready, you're pretty clear on what the few of those kind of career options would be, you know, what lights you up from the inside, then, you know, be savvy, don't just kind of mill around in the job boards. Firstly, put it out there, put it out there to the universe. So tell people what you're looking for. Networks are so powerful. I've got a kind of dual relationship with the word networking because the old school kind of idea of networking where people are kind of, you know, flinging around business cards at, you know, at events, I'm so... Call me, call me, call me, call me, call me. I don't, because that's all, and that's where, when anybody approaches a networking kind of event or activity with, I'm going to sell myself, that doesn't work. You've got to go to any of these kind of opportunities to meet other people and say, well, and listen, and learn about other people and say, well, how can I help you and connect to other people and say, you know, put it out there, this is what I'm looking for. And I think that way, when you go into, well, like any relationship, it's, you know, it's not all about me, me, me, me, and can you help me. It's, you know, how can I help you and how can I connect to you? And so I think first, you know, put it out there and get out there. So, you know, just let your LinkedIn network know that you're looking, obviously, if you're in a role, you might need to, you know, you don't want your employer to know, you might need to be a little bit discreet about this, but obviously with people that you trust or colleagues that you trust, you know, let them know that you're looking and yet reach out to your networks because it's amazing, you know. And sometimes somebody might not be looking for, whatever that role is that you're looking for right now, a marketing manager, but then you put it out there and they're like, actually, well, we were gonna recruit for one of those in, you know, six months. We think you'd be perfect for our company because often people, smart organisations are looking for cultural fit as well. And sometimes, you know, it's more important than even, you know, the technical skills, as I mentioned, that can be trained, you can be trained on. So if you just put it out there, you'd be amazed what opportunities arise. And then if you are actually doing, you know, active recruitment on the job boards and applying for jobs, then get a CV that look good on paper in person and online. So firstly, Google yourself what comes up because your potential employers will be Googling you, recruiters will be Googling you. And so if you don't have your security settings locked down on Facebook, then that could be a problem. It's amazing how many people have missed out on opportunities because their online profile, you know, nobody needs to see you to Bucks or a Hands Party, you know. So just Google yourself, see what comes up, lock down those settings on your personal social networks and make sure that LinkedIn is generally the first or second, even if you've got your own webpage, the Google algorithm seems to pick up LinkedIn and it's only one of the top search results. So make sure your LinkedIn profile is really great. We can get to that. I can talk to more LinkedIn strategy, but firstly, just clean it up, make sure that you do the good online. There's nothing there that is compromising with your CV. Get it done by a graphic designer. If you have a CV that's in the Times Roman font, don't even bother sending it out, basically, because for anyone who screams lots of CVs, when you see a CV like that, they haven't even changed from the generic font. You're like, lazy, next. So it really doesn't matter. If you think about it, when you're Googling and you are looking for something, say, you're looking for your next holiday overseas and you land on an ugly website, how long do you stay there? Not very long. It's the same with CVs, they've got to look good. And I hate to cut you off, Kylie, because I want you here on the show for the rest of the day, but it's literally nearly time to wrap up and that's how fast time goes when you're doing what you love. But when it comes to appearance, I mean, we're putting up your websites now and for those of you who are hung on the show, like I am, glued, wanting to hear the next thing she's gonna say, I guess that means you're gonna have to go to the website and connect with her and you can always message and add to your communities and check out. You have lots of free resources where you can offer more information that we haven't. The LinkedIn profiles, be sure to, when you go on the Inspired Careers website, be sure to link to her LinkedIn profiles because I just think that they are incredible and a great way to invest, especially if you don't want to spend a lot on a new website but you know your talent, you want to get out there. Just a really quick, because we are gonna wrap up, what is your best advice for a young woman who's either in school, like school, high school, any sort of thing, how to follow just a real quick snippet, how to follow their passion? How to follow their passion, take time out to get really clear on what your values are, what matters to you and invest in your own personal growth. Your growth from the internally, your personal development will be reflected in the outside world. So if you invest in that confidence and self-belief, then the world is your own stuff. Oh, you're so amazing. I absolutely love it. Give me goosebumps. Thank you so much for being on the Savvy Chick Show today. For those of you who love this, watch her again. You know, watch this replay because it's one of the best shows we've done and you've offered so much knowledge. So thank you so much, Kylie. We'll have you again soon and look forward to seeing you in Sydney. My pleasure. Look forward to seeing you too. Hello.