 but this is the Visible Visionaries book writing group about to go live and let's go back here real quick. Watching right now that you can type below and if you have questions or anything you wanna contribute, we'll definitely do our best to read as we go along. So, hey, I'm Debbie Dashinger, the Visible Invisible Debbie Dashinger, which is funny for the title of our bookwriting membership, which is the Visible Visionaries. And I just wanna give you a beautiful look-see, a gallery look-see at all the gorgeous authors who have been with me, I think, since last April, working on this, very proud of everybody. And so I wanna talk a little bit about the art of writing a book, why write a book, what you can do to write a book, because the statistics are not beautiful for people who work on their own. It's basically that 85% of people who wanna write a book never gonna happen. And then even in that 15%, it's not that the other 15% actually write it. It's about half and half. So if you've written your book, pat yourself in the back, that means a lot and published it, by the way. And the other percent in that 15% are people who start their book and never complete it. So let's first talk a little bit about where you were before you started the class. And we'll bring you on, it's a random, so we can synergize, we're all very close in this class, so we'll know when it's a good time to start. But I'd love to know, tell me or tell us your name, where you were before the class started, in regards to your book, and where you are now and what's changed for you therein. So I don't know, Barbara, I'm super called to ask you to come up to the plate first. So Dr. Barbara, tell us who you are and a little bit about your book journey. Hi, I'm Dr. Barbara Laraca and I've been doing counseling and healing work for over 35 years. And all my clients have been telling me to write a book and I had started one, oh my gosh, eight, nine years ago, had chapters, had a somewhat of an outline and a little bit written and it was like a pile of, just a pile, it didn't work. So it wasn't anywhere. So it was sitting in my computer and getting a little stale when I heard about Debbie Daschinger. And I thought, well, here I am, stuck in rural Brazil, which is where I'm at. And I thought, well, I'm gonna give this a try. Do you want me to continue at this or do you, somebody else chime in at what you were doing before? Well, no, I'd love to know a little bit more of the arc of your story, because now I'm intrigued. So you had a pile. I like the way you said that. That's pretty visionary right there. So you had a pile, Dr. Barbara, and you heard about this bookwriting membership. You took the leap. And I took the leap, I just, I just went ahead. It was like, no, there was no doubt. There was a feeling of, it has to be. And as soon as I met you, it was, yes, this will work because at the first meeting, as of the very first meeting, I felt inspired because you have, you conveyed to me that I could do it, it would work. And although, in my work, I'm not insecure, I don't have the security of writing a book and you just looked at me and said, I looked at all of us, of course, but I remember something you said just struck me and I don't remember what it was, I'm sorry, but it was, you can do it. And we're gonna make sure you do it because of those low statistics on people actually producing a book. I went, ooh, that's a good challenge. And each week I would feel better and better about it because it started out like, you know, sort of like a ball of yarn that the cat had played with and it's slowly like an onion peeling, slowly the theme emerged stronger, the underlying way to put it together, the way to put a little more excitement into it, the way to, for me to get excited, that was what was important to keep me excited. And as each week would go by, I could feel the excitement coming in, you know, coming from the meetings and letting the underlying theme of what I wanted to contribute to people and to myself and to all the clients that have been nagging me over the years to put something on paper, but it started to happen, or of course there's no paper anymore hardly, but on the computer. And so the computer started to write the book and with Debbie's guidance, there's a feeling of each little turn we get, the course is corrected to go forward. And I love that. What is your favorite part of the program, Barbara? The favorite part would be when we're taking off into what makes the best book come true? What is it that goes, what do people give to their readers? And having each person chime in with where they're coming from and their concerns. And then as you, Debbie would do, you just kind of bring the feeling of, here's something so informed into an idea that it can be formed, it will be formed and there's ways to keep it being forming, keep it in a state of forming rather. And that's what I like. I feel encouraged and I feel there's a place, you hold a space for it to actually occur, period. That's it, without any ifs, ands, or buts, it will occur. That's awesome. That's what I like the best. That's great, thank you. And I love what you're saying because that's one of my greatest joys as a teacher I have to say when people say, what do you love about teaching book writing? And I have to say it's twofold. The first is to take anybody from where they were before, whether it is I can't write a book or I don't know how to write a book, which is very common and okay, because you can't know what you don't know if you've never done it before. And then the third one is maybe, I don't think I'd be good at doing this, plagued by a lot of doubts, which is very common for authors even during the process. And so to see that be transmuted into a kind of a confidence and a flow, most importantly, like not only is this happening, but I'm very excited about the process. I'm enjoying the process. That's one of my huge takeaways as a teacher. And then the second one is, of course, when I see somebody get to the finish line of completion and I help them to put it out into the world of self-publishing and be very successful, because that is an afterlife that keeps on giving, huge ROI. So I couldn't be prouder when both of those big pieces happen for anybody who wants to become an author. So thank you for those reminders. That's awesome. Karen, I'm gonna go to you and we're gonna come back to everybody, by the way, because I'll have more questions. So Karen Abrams, Master Theta Healer, I'm gonna come to you and if you could tell us your name and what happened and where you are today, what's working for you. Okay, so as you said, my name's Karen Abrams. I am, let's call them Master Theta Healer. So I help people, I help entrepreneurs a lot with identifying and healing what's holding them back from their personal and financial success. So when I started taking your class, I guess I was saying, I was where I've always been, which is I know I've always wanted to write a book and it's kind of been floating around me somewhere. But the thought of doing it was just so overwhelming and time consuming for me to take on. I've got a lot on my plate. I'm a mom, I'm a wife, I've got me on business. I've got so many number one priorities that I wasn't really confident that I would ever actually do this. It's just something that I've wanted to do and I didn't even know what I wanted to do on. So I think that you have made this process to me and for me, you've made it really easy and accessible. You've been really supportive. You've been really encouraging. You've given me really great advice on how to write powerfully, which is one of the classes and then and also just given really great strategy on how to fit it into my schedule. And now it's, it just has such a great feeling to me to go into writing. I think one of the biggest changes that I've experienced on our little journey here has been that writing has become a respite to go into. I thought it was sort of going to be a big chore and just this big thing that we're building like, oh my God, you're building a house. Oh, we're only on this part of it. We don't even have the walls here. So I have this feeling of looking at it and it's almost like all these burdens that you have to overcome. And what I have found out, what has happened for me is that it, like I said, it's become a respite. It's become something that I love to go into and like, oh good, I get to write now. Like, oh, this is going to take me away from the rest of my week, the rest of everything else that I do and really into a place of deep thought, but like just in a fantasy, like in a vacation, inside of it. And I really, really, really enjoyed that most. That's like one of the things I've most enjoyed. And what is your favorite part of the program? I love when we get to read. I love when we get to read to each other because first of all, having that class there means that I have a due date. So whatever's going on, it's like, oh my God, I've got this class coming up. I got to read something, so I'm gonna write something. So I like that. And the other part of it is I love hearing everybody else's work also because I think it's such an unusual way to get to know somebody, like everybody's reading their book. I mean, how often, you don't get that at a bar, you know? It's like, it's such a great way to hear somebody's voice and really experience how they think and how they view the world. And I think ultimately it also helps to hear somebody else's writing style so that it just informs your own and helps you bring in different kinds of things that you never even thought could work. And you're like, oh, look how they did that. That's really neat. So I'd love that. So the reading part is really meaningful. And I like, and I concur, you really do get to know somebody in a different way when they're reading their work, whether it's about their work or whether it's a memoir or whether it's a whimsical novel or fiction, nonfiction, but it is very deep. It's a very wonderful exercise to support one another. And the piece of that that I like too is about accountability. I know I have created big things by virtue of accountability that if I hadn't had somebody that I'm saying, I'm gonna complete this then or I have done this or a class set up like what we have where you know, okay, we meet twice a month live and the second time of every month, people are gonna read. So that causes you to say, I need to get on this book and have something I can read. And what's great too, I think especially, Karen, your great example of this is you're somebody who takes all the feedback, you go back and you tweak stuff and you come back and read again and it's light years difference in your writing. So you're literally learning as you read. Yeah, yeah, thank you. I love it. Yeah, it's really, it's great to get your feedback because your feedback is always positive because it's how you can shift something, not about, it's never about what's wrong. It's really how do you add this or how do you change the voice or what would be really great to add to this, right? Here, maybe some humor would be really great here or maybe this is really intense right now. So what if we stop and take a beat and what would that look like? And you just give really concrete examples of how to move forward instead of saying, I'm not really connecting to the voice and it's out there and it needs to be stronger. Like I wouldn't know what to do with that but you actually, all your advice has been so hands-on. So I really felt and very concrete. So I really felt even though you're saying humor here would be fun, you're asking me, well, was there something that funny happened then? And I think that's part of the gift of you is your ability to interview people and to get out the answers from them. And so you have helped me many times on just getting the answer on how I could accomplish that, whatever it is you're asking for. And so that when I leave, I'm like, oh, okay, I know what to do now and I can go do it. As opposed to going, what was she talking about? I have no clue how the heck, just be a head scratcher. It's just a really, I really know how I'm gonna dive in and where I'm gonna go after I speak with you about my writing. So I just really deeply appreciate that. That's beautiful. And it's so interesting because most people are so much more talented at writing than they know. I think you actually, this is one of those things you have to do it to find out, right? Absolutely. So this is one of those great examples to not let fear take over, but instead to just do and then do again and do again. And to have the accountability like Karen is saying, but to also have the support and the direction is really huge, very freeing. So Art, I'm gonna bring you in and if you will tell us who you are and where you were and where you are today, that would be wonderful. Well, it was a dark and stormy night. I don't know if everybody will get that joke, but it was an old joke that the new novelist will start with that line. But I'm Art Geiser, I'm the creator of energetic NLP. And before I talk about myself, I just wanna piggyback a little bit on what Karen was saying, because I'm sure there's some people listening going, I'm gonna have to read my work out loud. You know, it's really, really safe. You only get appreciative feedback. And then it's more like, well, you could add this, you could describe a little more here. So it's, your ego will be safe, none will be safe, but it will be encouraged and nurtured, which is always true when you read your work to groups. My situation was a little bit like Barbara's in that, I don't know, it could be for 30 years, people have been asking me, when are you gonna write a book? When are you gonna write a book? When are you gonna write a book? And I actually had a first draft of my book, and I'm one of those people, I like the creating, I don't like the finishing and fixing, I didn't used it. Before Debbie, I didn't like the finishing part. So I don't know, it was sitting around a year and a half, two years, I'm not sure what, and I would always think I have all these other things that I need to do first, and I don't wanna rewrite it, that's not the fun part, that's gonna be like the drudgery and all that. And really in the first session with Debbie, she just completely changed my thinking around it and got me to see how the rewriting it is creative, is learning, is actually do more learning when you first wrote it. And in fact, working on my book has improved my writing for my web pages, my emails, my programs. I notice all of my writing has been affected by what I'm learning in the program. So for those of you who have businesses and need to make web pages and copy, and it helps all of that, because you really think about what is it, what does he really wanna say, what's the major points, how do you say it in a way that's compelling, and compelling for the reader, but also it really feels like authentically what you're trying to say. So it's completely changed my attitude towards the book. I'm enjoying writing it now. And there've been all kinds of, I'm big on spirituality and synchronicities, and there've been tons of synchronicities with things that will happen in the class, which I always take as a good omen, if you will, or a good sign to keep going. Yeah, so it's just, and it's allowed me also to let the book have its own kind of existence and life, that I'm partnering with the book in, the book is helping me write itself. So I don't know if that makes any sense. It will be when you're in the class, but it's really changed my whole way of writing. Wow, that was so beautiful. And that makes me so excited because I remember so well just under a year ago that I remember you presented me and said, you had some big ticket items going on in your life, very good and very progressive for your business that you were pushing out and moving into. And at that point it was like, but the book is down here. Like I really don't have the time, and you were pushing it aside and it's interesting, the energy read for everybody. But resistance creates very interesting things in all of our lives. Mostly it's very blinding because without resistance, we can see very clearly the whole picture instead of being flat up against something where we can't see all the different possibilities. And I think that was what was beautiful about you. You were willing to back up enough, widen back and see that there were other things possible and all the other things that felt like they were so, so important actually could be worked out in different ways that were much easier than you're going into it. And to see and experience you now and the enormous flow and enjoyment you're in with your book is very gratifying. And what I loved about what you said that I think is a very important takeaway for people who are watching this is that your book isn't ever here and it may seem like it's a very logical process and like all systems at some level it is but inherently there is a real relationship between you and the book and the book comes through each of us because we are the conduit, it is chosen. And if we will get out of the way it can very much like Art was saying you can be in communion with the book and both are guiding the other, right? It's a hand in hand experience and it can be incredibly joyous and informing. And interestingly enough with something you're saying about when you were brought about the rewrites because it's so true, right? You think, wait, I wrote the book why do I have to read it out loud now that I've got a first draft like it shouldn't be but the truth is we're often so surprised when we read aloud our own words the wisdom is pouring back to us the gift keeps giving even to us. So even that part of the process is so informing plus we get to know, oh, I have a book this is a book, this is happening. And can I say it's gone from I should be writing a book or I should have a book to something that I'm enjoying and it's also affected my teaching a lot when I'm leading my workshops and programs because again, I'm thinking more about how am I saying things and am I really what's the heart of what I'm trying to express? So it's again, it's just influenced everything. Yeah, this is deep what you're sharing because when you're writing just naturally flows into website copy and email copy and speaking copy which are all different and yet it is in a sense if you're really connected with the results you want the journey you wanna take people on and the storytelling piece and all of it how you want it to be disseminated and received it is ultimately the same it's got the same energy so I'm thrilled to hear all of this. Yum, thank you. So we're gonna move on to Fran Fisher. Fran, tell us where you were before you joined the class what happened, where you are today what is working for you? So hi, I'm Dr. Fran Fisher. Where I was before I began I joined Visible Visionaries and thank God for Debbie Dashinger. I had been documenting my husband's journey with Alzheimer's for 13 years and he died 12 years ago so I was like Barbara who had a pile of notes and all these years later I saw an email and I've seen Debbie's emails many times and never related to it but one day it jumped out at me and I thought I need to do this I need to get this book going. Now I have published three books I've written to and I did an anthology, edited an anthology so I've got experience but when it came to this book I was completely dead in the water I didn't know what to do with it and so joining this group has been a lifesaver it's completely changed instead of writing a survival book for Alzheimer's which would have probably had everybody running for the medicine cabinet to do those it's turned into a memoir and because of this group giving me the space and the safety to explore all the things that go into writing a memoir which was alien to me, never thought of doing it it's been exciting and being completely novel and it's changed my whole life so I've loved every moment of it it's been a struggle sometimes and thankfully Debbie you've always been there as everybody in the group it's like being a little family little visible visionary family and so and what Debbie has enlightened me is my humor which I knew I had but never used and so adding that to a book about Alzheimer's is like it's the pathos I love pathos in watching any comedy I go for that kind of book or story so it's been a new experience for me and I loved every minute of it when I've not been trembling I've loved it that's great so we are the little visible visionaries the little train that could that's what that reminds me of I think I can, I think I can I know I can, I know I can so your favorite part of the program what would that be Fran? What do you think? I'm going to join the several who I love listening to people reading their stories I look forward to that as much as anything and getting feedback from everybody you feel very safe exploring things that you would probably never go there without this group so I love the reading I love the lessons, the classes that you teach I love the spirituality it really resonates with my soul and it gives me an inner strength that you're connected to something much bigger than yourself and you can just trust that you just put it out there and you're safe and there are enough people in the group and you Debbie to draw it to your attention if you're going to flying too close to the lamp or to the candle flame but you've never done that so obviously I can stretch a little bit further so it's fun. Yeah, one of the things that I really like is how sometimes patterns emerge within the group I find that very interesting when individuals come together and they do there's a synergistic experience that occurs and whatever that is I find that very fascinating so for example, one time somebody brought up I'm battling distraction I'm having a really difficult time right now obviously that's not a preferred state for anybody and inherently people started popping up and saying I'm having trouble with that too so am I and one of the great things about being in a group that's very fluid that there is nothing ever cookie cutter this is about filling the needs of the group period and so we've also done some healing techniques around things such as emotional freedom technique we did a session around that specifically for distraction to move everybody forward and the great news is because there are replays everybody in the class can access that replay at a moment's notice if they're going through distraction and they wanna completely clear that out and put in something they prefer which of course is being very focused and easy and calm they have the recording to do that and not to mention that we've got some amazing healers in this group so I'm really grateful Fran that nobody's been an Icarus nobody's flown too close to the sun which is wonderful and they haven't and of course the one thing I talk about I'll give you a tip, a takeaway that I talked to the class about which is right what you're afraid of right what scares you the most that is what's exciting and that's where we really resonate with you we don't wanna know what version of you we you think you want us to read about that's completely not interesting but the real organic authentic raw all of that that's I won't say the word the yes it's a curse word but that's the bomb.com that's what we're all looking for so let's talk I guess what I'd like each of you to do is give a tip I just gave a tip right what you're afraid to write what would be the tip that you find you go back to that has really helped you that you employ the most and has changed your writing the most or your experience of writing the most was that question? Oh, sorry. Did you understand the question? Yeah, I just wanted to know if you were still on me or have you gone over to Oh, I would like yeah, let's just popcorn so whomever would like to answer that question I'd love to hear. Well, for me being aware of when I haven't given enough detail or context to something for to really have impact sometimes I'm good at taking complicated things and making them simple and short but sometimes it's not compelling and you're great at pointing out when we need to add something so that it really will hit the reader and that's really been extremely helpful for me is to kind of go, you know, that's okay but they can't feel it, you know what I need to put in so it's a visceral experience for them. Okay, how would you say that's a synchle? Say that in one sentence. To give enough context for people to feel what you're trying to get across. Beautiful. Detail context. Excellent. Okay, so there you have two tips. Fran? I was just thinking I was I wanted to laugh out loud because my, your lesson or your gift to me was to write the thing that I'm most afraid to write and so when I went there and I did it and I was so happy to be putting my feet in the water and you said, give me more, give me that. Yeah, that was a nice taste, now give me more and it allowed me to kind of puff out my lungs and start breathing more deeply and diving in deeper to the stories which really then become rich. And so I have loved that guidance and then allowing the things that could be a real sober to bring humour to it is like growing massive trees out of cuttings I guess that's what I would say. It's been a really fabulous journey and also to know that a 10 year project of piles of notes I can actually see it being published, completed, published and professionally published as opposed to the way I've done things in the past which is sliding quietly onto the radar. So writing, publishing and never doing the marketing. I loved the piece that you told me that really resonated was what is it, 10% of writing a book is, 10% of it is the work of writing but 90% is getting it marketed out there. I don't know all that hard work and being very, very quiet about it. So I'm both scared to death and excited about this one. Yes, a really good point and so good for people to hear that is exactly accurate. So when we look at the life force of a book, of course, first there's the download, the inception or the excitement just to write one then there's the actual writing and that is 10% and then it's the what happens after because your book can sit in digital land and nobody would know what exists except like it's a little footnote on your bio. But if you employ that 90% and people should know if you've given birth to a baby if a baby came through you and their energy and said me and I'm choosing you as the conduit to put me out into the world it feels like there's a right to the baby to actually be known, be named, be claimed and even become a best seller. So the great news is I don't just take people through the process and then wave off and wish them the best but I can help them and we'll do this in this class too because when and I know one of you too and I won't even say which but one of you and maybe somebody else will surprise me you'll be the first and we'll do it together. The back end of the self publishing so you can see, this is so easy it's so inexpensive and it's so easy and so you can do this and then of course there is the actual international best seller, I like to go big, right? So I've got a company that does that so I've got everybody's back and or there's a program if you'd prefer to do it on your own and learn how to do it on your own some people find that very interesting and there's a lot of wealth of information there too and understanding the back end if that's interesting to you. So that's great and I'm excited and God bless those 10 years of notes that they're coming to see the light of day and that you are aware there's a whole marketing process after and that you're in no more quiet we call ourselves visible visionaries for a reason because visible is in it and all of us who came here at this very auspicious time came with a voice that deserves to be heard. Karen, how about you? Thank you Beth and could I feel like everyone took my tool? I think the one Debbie that you're talking about I resonate with you right what you're afraid of right what makes you feel uncomfortable and that there's such and I agree with Fran there's such a catharsis in doing so that's really helped me a lot with finding my subject and seeing how I can develop that and also what I was talking about too it's like on the page how do you make what's on the page three dimensional and that's something that I always take into the writing is that can you see what I'm talking about and then what you added for me was can you feel what I'm feeling and I needed that extra element in there to bring it all together and to make it much more like a breathing piece of work as opposed to just lying there on the page so that's what I appreciate the most and that's what I go to every time I sit down and actually the other thing is and I don't even know I think it's more of a result of what we've been doing like I said, I just feel like I get to dive into something that's so different from the rest of my life and even if I've been, what do they say like 15% of your business is actually what you do and then the other 85% is just the emails and the marketing and blah, blah so I can have a day where I spent writing emails a copy or connecting with people and doing all these sorts of things and getting XX and have my list and then when I get to write, I'm like, oh, that's different like I don't even put that on, oh, God, I can't even could be like, oh, get that away from me this is the last thing I wanna do and it's really like I'd rather do that so it's a nice feeling to be able to go into that and not feel like, oh, I'm just adding another thing on my list or I'm adding another thing in my day and so much later, it's more like, oh, I need this just to kinda chill out and get balanced again and so I really appreciate that. Yes, there's a saying and this, you know, Karen I think maybe you taught me this and so I wanna, this is beautiful it's coming full circle, you taught me this and one of our coaching calls but you actually shared something with me that I loved and I have it right here, I wrote it on my wall that's how powerful it was someone taught you, you taught me I'm gonna say it out loud and then also translate this to books and here's what you said someone taught you which is money is hidden behind everything you resist doing in your business. I loved it so much, I wrote something for my partner and I put that into your greatest love is hidden behind everything you resist doing for your partner, yeah? And so also for our book, right? Your best book, your best possible writing is behind everything you resist writing. Like that's so powerful when we view our life from that whether it's you resist sitting down and actually writing it whether it's how you go about writing or what you allow to come out of you and how you allow that entire process. So this resistance piece is so huge I'm feeling like we should bring it into probably do a healing session on this at some point because you all started here and now you're operating without a doubt like professional authors, all of you. It's so beautiful and what if we went and cranked it up even higher because we can and because you have that kind of capacity each of you like greater, greater, greater, greater more capacity, more space, more willingness more fluidity and all of that. I find that very exciting. So thank you for what you shared with me that then got translated into all these great things and now I translate back to all of the authors for their writing. It's gorgeous. And Barbara, let's bring you in, same question for you. I have been thinking about this as you were speaking and there's no such thing as writer's block. There's a thing I'm calling pause, regroup, re-inspire. And the Debbie has brought to me the, let's say a little toolkit or as I call it a little suitcase full of things where I can read another author just to get re-inspired as to the language and the rhythms and the feelings. I can go to another room if I need to. I can do some tapping. I can do some, just anything. And then it just happens. I keep writing. So it's all about for me is how there's nothing can stop us really. That concept needs to go away and when nothing can stop you, then you know there's some way to get there, some way to arrive. Will you say Barbara, what, if anybody is watching, how would they know that this is right for them? Why would you suggest they do it and or how would you suggest that they know this is the right experience for them? Okay, basically, if you're thinking about getting into a writing group as that or is just the simplest thing is to look into your heart, of course, but also to let yourself feel. If there's something that gets your mind twinkling or I can't even, I try to get some words around it. And if you need to have that little bit of that core inspiration feeling all the time, that's what this is about. We always, each time we meet, there's a core inspiration. There's a feeling that there's a container for us to work in as the container is always, we're always adding something to it that will make it taste even better and more interesting, more exciting. And because you do that, having, you know, being in this setting has given me a lot of the stuff I wouldn't possibly get alone. And I could easily say I do a lot of things alone, just fine, but there's no way to get the spice, the way the spices come, like, oh, how about this spice? How about that spice? How about this little pinch of salt here? That's why it's different. Awesome. I will say one thing that has tickled me so much about this group also is what was mentioned earlier. And that is how everybody stands for each other. I mean, this really is a very cohesive, harmonious group. I don't know, you know, there's that beautiful question, which is how did I get so lucky? And I certainly feel that way. I really do. So I'm so grateful to each of you and the energy you bring every time we meet, both towards your work and towards each other and yourselves, you know, it's been amazing watching your growth in this area. And it's very cool to hear you say, Barbara, about, you know, you're just fine alone and anyone can feel that energy from you, right? You're very powerful and clearly very gifted and have led many people. And yet, for all of us, right, there's always that place in space because we don't know what we don't know, but there's a desire to require ourselves to step up to another level to do something. And we don't know, it's really lovely to have that guidance and that help around it. So we can do it with ease, right? And of course, this group makes it really fun. So I will pose that question to each of you. Let's just go down the list. What the heck, Art, you're next. So the question is, how would people know? Yeah, why would you recommend if somebody is thinking, hmm, a book writing membership, you know, getting live support twice a month, meeting on Zoom from anywhere in the world, why would I pick this group above? I don't really know if anything is out there that is even like this. I don't think so. Certainly not with all of the tenants that you guys have been describing. However, if somebody has something to choose from or even to choose to do this or not, why would you recommend that they do it? Well, for people who they really feel they have something they want to say. And by that, I don't mean it has to be unique and nobody's ever said it. But for people who really have this desire to express things through a book and help people that way, I'm trying to think, I mean, obviously, I'm trying to build on what Barbara said. I mean, that's all true, but I think if somebody's coming from their heart in their work or they want to come from their heart and they feel like the way I came in, like it was a big should, and I wasn't letting myself come from the heart with it. So if you have a big desire to really make it authentic, come from the heart to actually get it done and to be proud of what you get done. I think there's a lot of programs now that are just get a book out. Give a speech, get it transcribed, it's a book. And those can be valuable. And for people who want to go beyond that to really have something that they're really proud of that really helps people. I think this is the best program I'm aware of. And like I say, I know of any programs that are quite like this. 100% and something you touched on art, it became very popular for somebody to say, get out a book, it's your business card. It's the new business card, right? And so for a long time, that was sort of compelling. But I think what happened is people started putting out very, I'm gonna be really honest because I have to read stuff a lot for what I do. And I think there are enormously tepid books out there, sometimes not even professionally edited, but that aside, which don't even, right? Not on my watch, they're all gonna be professionally edited. However, the point is, I'm not sure the content that people were really giving. And it became more about, here's what I do for living, learn more about me. And I think what's beautiful because art actually is writing a professional book, a business book. But this is, I can tell you right now because I'm excited for the book, it's a life changer. He literally, for what he teaches in his courses and for what he, from what he knows is decades as a healer, as an instructor, as a wealth of wisdom, that's what the book is gonna be. And that is what I love because not only is there that 90% marketing plan on the back end, but there's an inherent marketing plan, which is someone reads the book and goes to somebody else by word of mouth and says, I gotta tell you, I'm reading the best book. And they recommended the old water cooler, right? What are you doing? Oh my God, I couldn't sleep last night, couldn't put down the book, Page Turner. So that is what people are creating. And even this business book, which you wouldn't typically think of is going to be that, that art is writing. So that excites the heck out of me. Barbara, too, is writing something very much like that, where her clients and people who don't know her yet that she can touch anywhere in the universe can pick this up and learn about what they too can do, whether they work with her or not. So it's way beyond, here's just my calling card. This actually is, here's content that can change your life. In fact, I had forgotten that you mentioned it when I first was writing the book, and it was a little better than I'm describing it, but it was kind of a glorified manual for a workshop. I mean, it was a little better than that, but it was just kind of like, get a book out, get my techniques in there, some of them, and give people value, but also, so they're interested in doing more. And I realized part of the reason I wasn't thrilled about it is, and I don't know, it wasn't that it wasn't inspiring at all, but it wasn't the way I teach. It was much drier, much more, this is the facts, ma'am, kind of a thing. And I realized, well, that's part of the reason I'm not thrilled about it is it's not what I do and it's not what I love doing. So you really inspired me to like, and it wasn't that, it's not that much more work, it's just fleshing it out more. Yeah, it's a lot less dry that way too. It's a lot more fun. Making it more fun was the other thing I realized because we laugh a lot in my workshops and have fun, and I realized my book's not fun. It's like, it must be fun, you know. These are such great tips, you know, for anybody who's watching, even though you guys are really sharing your own process and your own evolution, I feel like there are gonna be a lot of takeaways here. These are terrific. Fran, how about you? Why would you recommend someone take this class? And I just feel like prefacing this, not that any of you are, but I don't want anyone to blow smoke, like that's so not important to me. And I know you know I'm not about that, but this is, I really am so excited about organically, naturally, what people are sharing. And so that's what's important to me that you tell your truth. I wrote the calling card kind of book. My very first one was, they said, you know, give them away, you know, people don't throw away books, right? They throw away cards. So it made me laugh when I heard that. I hope that sex is never that boring that you would be. I am a sexologist. So however, that was my first book. And so I laughed at that. So what I love and I find utterly unique about your group, The Visible Visionist and our little train that could, is that it really becomes a, something you look forward to every two weeks you get to do an hour and a half of diving deep. I've not attended writing groups. However, I've known a lot of people who have and they go every week for years and years and years and years and they produce a little piece and then they go on to something else and then they go on to something else. And I never really got it. Why do people do that when it's got no, I mean, yes, it's practicing. But for me, this group is unique because it takes something that you really want to do. It's in your heart and soul and it has a pulse. But you just can't, it's almost on life support until you can plug it in somewhere and then it begins to grow arms and legs and it has a head and now it's got a breath. And I know that one day you will cut the umbilical cord and it will go off into the universe and it will be professional. I am so excited to have that end piece which I have never experienced. My penis is up to the pope book. It's still on my, it's like a doorstop. It's got no energy. Who could not want a penis is up to the pope book but I've never done anything to promote it. And I'm thinking this one might have to go straight to Amsterdam, it might miss America altogether but I'm willing to risk that. And that's what this group has done for me. It's given me that confidence to say, publish and be damned. No, just publish. Yeah, how about publish and be successful? There you go. Thank you. You see, that's exactly what you do for me. I say the negative and you go, no. Yeah, you're fabulous otherwise. And I do love your humor so much. Oh my God, that title of the book alone. Okay, right? Who exactly, who doesn't want to read that book? I don't know if only it was that title. Okay, well we could always relaunch a book by the way. Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, so that's something we can discuss in one of our classes because that relaunches giving books a facelift and a book that hasn't done what you prefer that it could do and should do, that can be done as well. Next. Yes, next. And Karen, we're gonna head over to you. For anybody who's considering a book writing class, why would you recommend this one? What might they get out of it? Taking your class, taking visible visionaries is a really amazing place to explore writing a book that what I love about it is, because it's every two weeks, because it's a year, I didn't feel like I had to write a book in 30 days or 60 days or 90 days. And I understand what people do and I don't discount them for doing that. But for me, that thought is terrifying that turns it into a term project that I used to have in high school and you've slept through most of the class and you're trying to figure out how to get it done. And so having your class every other week has been such a wonderful and easy entry into writing a book. I think a writing a book is a very important project and it can feel really big to people. And I'd kind of like to come back to it that it is an important project and it's for you to be able to say that you've done that because it came from your heart and you're able to put it on the page in a way that you really desire will really make a difference in how you feel and what you're putting out into the world. I love this class and I think people should take it because you can learn how to write a book, learn how to write a page turner without pulling your hair out, with easy steps that are accessible and easy to learn because there's support here that's readily available that there's a safe container for you to read your work and learn more about it. And there's also a strategy and I think that's one of the things we actually haven't spoken about. There's a strategy to finish it and the way that you break it down and then by saying let's go to the ending and it's supposed to be X amount of pages which means over a whole year that means you can write every day this much or you can write every other day with this much. And so you've made that as this class and what you've done is just help make writing a book a possibility and an inevitability and that's different and I really appreciate that. And plus the people that you attract into your group are really interesting and kind and creative and spiritual people that I love spending time with or who I love spending time with. So I think it's a win-win just to just get in it's just gonna be a win-win on so many of the levels. Beautiful. Oh, thank you for mentioning the strategy. That's such a good point and exactly and it is about completing for sure much as I don't want any of you ever to leave because I enjoy also I look forward to our group a lot but I know we'll know each other forever and whether I'm watching your success from afar or up close or however our lives continue to weave the fact is there is a strategy and anybody can reverse engineer their book and I had a client as I told you all we first started I had a client who was a mother to two small children she had a business that she had a commute for a very full-time business plus a husband who for his work was a way a lot and she I could go on and on but she wanted to write a book and she felt like this is impossible and we set up a plan for her to write what is realistic? That's where we always start with each person and from the what is realistic in your life then we come up with the plan and it works because she today is an international best-selling published author so for anybody and their lifestyle this can happen I'm excited I'm so grateful to have spent this time with all of you I hope that folks got lots of pretty amazing takeaways from each of your journeys thus far I also hope that when the time comes in this next year and your books are being published they will know ahead of time that they've got a great book coming from each of you very compelling intriguing people that I'm so honored to know and I cherish each of you and that you've entrusted me with your bookwriting journey and I'll let the journey continue yes using all the tips and strategies we've discussed here thanks everybody for joining us and any last words from anybody? Thank you see you next Tuesday this is wonderful thank you all right everybody thank you bye