 meeting to order. 601. Bell hasn't rung yet. It's going to ring in about two minutes. 603 now. Probably. First on the agendas, to approve the agenda, is there anything that we need to add? Yeah, it's Chris Fours. He is our project manager for the VOREC grant. He got a little out of sequence with the accounts payable, so he's asking if we can have ASPAM'd issue a check to access track, TREX, to purchase, for a purchase for $1,412. It is something they want for ForwardFest, and they are 17 3x3 mats, and they actually clipped together to make things, and they're pretty lightweight. I looked at their website today to make things handicap accessible, so you could put a wheelchair on it, and it's part of the VOREC grant, so it's not coming out of the general fund, so he's just, if he waits for the schedule pay date, it won't be here in time, so now he understands PAM explained the finer points of the schedule to him, so now he's all set moving forward, but I told him I could ask the select board, I explained to him that we don't have the authority to cut checks without getting approval, so that's what we want to add. So you guys okay with just putting that first after public comment, because there's a bunch of other stuff, it'll only take us a second, everybody's good with that, just sure, just a bit more time explaining. So yeah, so we'll just add that as the first item on your public comment. Okay. Anything else for the agenda change? Nope. So we had a motion? Yeah, so second. Okay, all in favor? All right. Where are we going to go forward with the appointment at 6? Yes, yep, Gary is, he said it's hard for him, he's totally deaf in both ears, so he's not going to understand, so it's usually one-on-one, so I said no problem. Just send me an email, and I said why don't you send me an email of why you believe the material spread on the road damaged your leaf spring, and it's not just a general wear and tear, and I told my, I read it to the select board for him. So he said that on that day, the tar road from the bottom of Christian Hill Road was taken off as I came down from my house to go into town. I was going 25 miles an hour to Anselpond and 25 to 15 miles an hour to the main road. It was really rough as there were lots of big rocks on the road. As I drove downtown to S&B Auto Service to check on my tires, I had a soft leak on my back tire for a long time, and CJ looked under my truck. He saw a broken back rear leaf spring on both sides. He told Mike that I shouldn't drive until I fixed it, then Mike Rogers looked under the back rear of my truck. He said, you're not driving this truck until it's fixed. Mike gave me a ride home so I could get my dad's truck to drive until the next day it was fixed. So we did. I explained to Gary in an email that the only thing that the select board had done was taken care of tires on Christian Hill, and it did cut him a check for $105.95 for him to get his tire repaired. I am not a mechanic, but any research I did on leaf spring sounds like it's a wear and tear type thing that it takes a while for something like that to break down. Unless, of course, you hit something really hard, maybe at high rate of speed. But as I said, I'm not a mechanic. I'm just reading to you what his statement is. A mechanic I talked to said Toyota is notorious for rusting out of it, and it wouldn't be a one shot hit to break it. I did talk to the road foreman asked him, and he said the same thing. He said that takes a while before something like that breaks and felt that maybe it just happened to be poor timing, that maybe it was already in a situation. And then it just, so as I said, he did, he came in on Friday and he was handed the check for $105 for his tire. Yeah, I was just kind of looking through the notes that were on the S&B Auto repair thing, and it seems like pretty much all the notes, if it refers to the leaf spring and the general, or the other two things that he went in for all seem to be long term maintenance over long periods of time issues. Things that were rusted shut, and things that were holes that were plugged years ago. And I agree. I don't think anything on that road damaged the leaf spring to that piece of it. I mean, I think you kind of have to get at the point is like, you know, had he hit something in the road, and there was an officer that came to the scene, you know, and there was documentation that this happened, you know, it was towed from the scene, and then there was, I guess you're in different thing. I mean, here you're kind of on a day, we're not sure which day. Well, yeah, you know, I mean, I think he said on the day, and I, he may have said, and we've exchanged several emails, so he may have said prior. You know, it's either probably, you know, somewhere around May 30th, May 31st, depending on how fast they got him in, and, you know, he said it was fixed the next day. So it must have been the 30th. 127,000 miles on the truck. Yeah, he might have been going 25 and 15, but he might not have. He might have hit something really hard over the last few years. He might not have. Yeah, I'm right into me today. I'm a rear-ended me. He wasn't there, and all of a sudden, he was there. Oh, he didn't hit you, though. No. I don't think he wants to, that big hitch on the back of that truck, and that little Toyota. I would have just, oh, god, damn that little wood truck, and I kept going. All right. But I mean, typically, and I wasn't here for the meeting that we okayed the tire reimbursements, but typically, you know, towns are a whole harmless scenario where the only way you have anything against town is you have to bring it forward. So there's a pothole in Main Street, let's say, and if you drive through the pothole and pop your tire, the town is held harmless because the town maybe didn't know about the pothole. However, if you went to the town and said you have this pothole that's in the middle of the street, and six days later you hit it and you damaged your vehicle, you could be held at that point, because the town had an opportunity to fix it. In this case, I know we did some things with the tires, but I don't see how the town should be held accountable for that. Any further discussion on it? Only, Linley, you have anything on that or you're remote? So we have motion and a second. All in favor? Public comment? Anybody have anything public comment wise? It's not on the agenda this evening. Jan Bork, who's the River Management Engineer, Department of Environmental Conservation, and asked for removal of the gravel under the bridge and on both sides of the bridge, Route 12, where Camp Rook meets the river. A little cement bridge, just about one mile north of here. It is almost to the top of the opening, and there's a little stream on the left which runs through, but that's about it. I do have some pictures of it if you're interested in seeing it. Did you email your pictures to the junior? I did. Oh, good. Okay, perfect. Yeah, I did. Yep, and I just, it's been piling up for quite some time, but since the heavy rain this summer, it's really, there's lots of it there, and it's on both sides of the bridge and under the bridge, so there is almost no opening under the bridge anymore. So if we really do have a high water event like Irene, which washed out around the south side of the bridge to within a foot and a half of the, it removed the highway and left the bridge, but it could be another big event, and I lost my driveway at that point and 600 feet of trees and driveway, and that was interesting. And the town took a great deal of gravel after Irene. They worked there almost two weeks for restoration in Camp Brook, and I do have, I have documentation of all that project that, and they put in a, and I gave you a diagram of it there. They put in different J, what they called J books, which are entry balls and big pieces of granite, and the upper ones, the big, J hooks are big like this with huge boulders of granite or big stones, and that creates pools, which slows the water down. They put root balls in there, and then there was a planting of buffers on either side of the road, and if you just stop on the bridge and look up the brook, you'll see that it all works exactly as it's supposed to. There are willows and other trees on either sides of the brook, and it all holds everything in place as it's supposed to, but the gravel has built up in the bed under the bridge and on the other side where it goes into the river. We are not landowners on the other side of the bridge. So would you forward that email to me with the pictures that you sent to Jaren? Because then tomorrow, tomorrow, I'll forward that to Chris Bump, and then, I forget the gentleman's first name, maybe it's John. Anyways, it does maintain into that area because it's not Ryan Slack, even though it's Bethel, so I can forward them to Chris Bump and the other gentleman that I've read his name. Anyways, I made a no, and I can send it to both of them tomorrow, too. That way, since Jaren hasn't gotten back to you, I can tell them that it went to Jaren, plus then they could put on their radar to come and take a look at. So I can do that tomorrow. You actually own a sliver of land on the north side of the brook, too, which allowed us to be the landowners who agreed to put in the buffer and all that. Because she showed the picture. If it's in around, say, the right away of the bridge, then going through the district would probably be the best way to do that, because if it was farther up, you know, like where most of that restoration project took place, then that would be more like Jaren's. And they'll work together. Jaren will work with Chris Bump, but the district can come out there and unplug that, and really not have to even consult with an environmental owner. Or they can hire someone to come out and take it out. Yeah, I just get that to Chris Bump, and he should be able to done that. I saw them out there doing that on a couple other ones, so. Yeah, so I'll send it to both Chris and, whatever his name is, John, maybe Booker, but I can't remember. I want to say it's like Booker or Broker? Bump. Chris Bump. Yeah, he's our district, our district four project manager, so I can send it to him tomorrow, and I'll send it to the other gentleman that oversees it, because when we were having flooding in that area on that day, this gentleman and I were exchanging emails, so while his name escapes me, I know I have his email address, so I'll send it to he and Chris Bump, and because I'd send it to Ryan Slack, but Ryan doesn't maintain that section, so I'll get it. Ryan up comes all the way down to like the Old Valley Motors, a lot. Yeah, they come down to, yeah, that place that was flooded on. Trinidad Park is under their jurisdiction. No, yeah, it's right. Yeah, right exactly. So yeah, so we'll get it to the right people tomorrow and let them know about it. The pictures were, that's why I'd like to send the pictures to Chris Bump, so he could see how we're not, you know, that he doesn't have a lot of time to go around. Well, at least at the minimum. Lots more documentation of the project, which was done in Campbrook, the restoration project, with state, federal, and local agencies. Yeah, and he should have that, too, or here. But I'll scan him this, too, and I'll scan him your drawing, and you send the email, then I could send him the pictures, because that way, I think the picture, just seeing that one picture you showed me, I think that will really get the message across quickly on, yeah. Well, if you go stand on Finley Bridge, you can see all that debris, where it kind of, what of it, did push out into the river, you can see quite a discharge of material that's still sitting there. Now, they'll probably never touch that, but the stuff in and around the structure, they should be able to get pretty easy. We had to do the underlying bridge after the 2019 flood, so. Yeah, no, we'll get it to him tomorrow. Gravel out below and under the bridge, then the rest of it will clear out, too. No, so we'll get it to him tomorrow, and then if I hear anything back, I'll question while we're on this topic. Is there any consideration for Conservation Commission? Is there any consideration for doing something above the fire station with that area that clogs there all the time? Yes. Such as a bridge instead of a culvert? Well, we have, I haven't set up the meeting yet, so I just got the last bid awarded today. I'll issue contracts this week, and then I'm going to get a hold of Chris Bump, and I have Chris Bump, Dave Aldrigate, Tim Aldrigate, Chris Jarvis, and a couple people, and Ryan Bidlack, to come together to see what our options are. They're moving forward because it, you know, it jeopardizes all the people in the trailer park, plus we have our emergency shelter at the school, so it's on the radar. It's just, you know, one thing at a time, but to figure out what exact, and all us, Jarron, too, to come to see what our options are there. We have to do a wider structure. Yeah, and it's not ours. We just want to facilitate a conversation, so Dave Aldrigate was there, Chris was there, so people that were there can talk to Chris Bump, and maybe Jarron and say, look, this is where the water came, this is what the situation is, and see, you know, they're the ones who are going to foot the bell and figure out the fix, but at least have a conversation so they understand our concerns, and then we'll see what they do with it. I will email that to you. Thanks, Mary. All right. Anybody online? Only one person, that's Owen, so are there any? He's saying no. Okay, you want to do that under public comment or do it under, whenever you want me to do it. Okay, do it now then. I put together some pictures that I took this weekend that concerned me, and this is just Christian Hill, Morse Road, and some of Sanders Road. Okay. Didn't get them together all the same, but look at this picture. Yep. You'll see, basically it's kind of like what she was talking about about cleaning out from under the bridge. If you don't go all the way to the river, it's going to plug just like that, because that's what's happened on these culverts right here. The ditch is not cleaned all the way to a place low, low the level of the bottom of the culvert, so three rainstorms and it's plugged again. Yep. And the top picture is barrier tiles. Yep. You went, put a new culvert in, and it's plugged because of the ditch. Yeah, I can see it. The ditch is not there to let it get away. I can see it. Yeah. Then let me see the problem. You can find it on my front page, Morse Road. Yep, I see that one. That hole will eat up my truck. Oh, I see it. It's in a hollow on a corner by a driveway. No signage, no repair work, nothing. Okay. I really think we should be doing something about that. Yeah. That culvert that needs to be replaced out on River Road. Which one is it? Which picture are you looking at? Oh, I was on the next. It's not really a great picture that she took. She took this picture, but Oh, River Road southbound. Yeah, there's no signage out there to let people know that all of a sudden that's a one lane road. There was signage out there and we have had signs and cones like crazy stolen, but there was signage out there. That's where there'll be a conversation about that. I know where it is. So there'll be a conversation about that here somewhere because there's cones up and down my road. They're just inside the road and the work's been done. Yeah, so we're having a lot of issues with people like even on Bentley Bridge Road. They've been people, kids probably, for young adults have been out there doing reason having. And then I'll just make it out to pick up cones. They've been messing with the cones and signs and grade stakes, all the staking that we did is happening. This picture, Morse Road picture, the tree. Yeah, I see that. That's going to be a... In the road. Has that been leaning like that for a while or did it just start? Ever since the rain started. Oh, jeez. Okay. That stump is actually across the brook. Oh, really? Just eating into it, eating into it. Okay. No, if it was me, the time I need an ambulance, that's something that's going to be in the road. Yeah, it's about right. That's true. Oh, it's Christian Hill Road. So the one on the Christian Hill Road, were you saying that that was work that was done but has roaded since then? Yeah. So there's some type of drainage issue going on there. Yep. I'll get the list. That's a long way to the brook and Dylan cleared it as far as down beyond this picture, but then there's a... Years ago they put in a catch basin, but the catch basin was so high that it caught all this stuff and just backed up and plugged the culvert. Yeah, and especially too, we'd gone out. And we just put that culvert in. Yeah, no doubt. And we'd just gone out a few, we'd gone out right after the flood. So it staked all that area and measured it. And we know, I mean, I estimated all the quantities based off from that, but we know what's probably was six inches deep then after several rains is deeper. And then we have all this loose stuff. So then it's soft and it's draining back out. We are going to go out and hydroseed a bunch of the ditches that are done, newly done, so we don't lose those. So we're just buying or in seed today for that. But I'll give the list to Morgan tomorrow and have him go out and... I mean, I'm thinking physics-wise, if you clean that ditch tomorrow, the next rainstorm is going to almost clean that ditch culvert. It's going to have somewhere to go. The one near Artel's and the junction of sanders, yeah. But there's no place for the material to go. Yeah, no problem we have is this one. The sanders road one is the material coming from the hill washes down into that. So like every time, this is probably one of those areas that make it up. Once a year, you get to go and remediate that, you know, because this is the one they put in that you can help them with. Is it? It is. Yeah, yeah. This is where we... I call this the intersection right here. This is David, he's culvert. Yeah, this is the intersection where we stopped the paving there. Okay, all right. It's all, I mean, it's always been an issue. I mean, this year is a special year. Yeah. I mean, we had two and a half days without rain. I mean, that was a celebration. Yeah, no kidding. It's crazy. We haven't had two and a half days without rain. I know. They're saying, what, maybe Wednesday and rain and yeah, rain in my house today. It did ours. Yeah, here too. Deetry has to empty the pool because the fiberglass people need X amount of days dry in a row. I'm like, good luck because we haven't seen that yet. So it's gonna be crazy. But these ones are challenging and sanders because the drive culverts are so shallow because there's so much ledge that runs that length of that road. Actually, there was some of those didn't even have drive culverts before the 19 flood. We put those in after and we could only go down so far without, you know, getting into the ledge. Well, that's, you know, when I put my curb cut in, my excavator had to pound the ledge to put the culvert down where it belongs. I know, I'm not surprised. That tree should just get knocked off. Well, yeah, of course. Is there any power lines right near that tree? That should be an easy one. You could just close the road off for half an hour and just drop the tree and get it out of the way. Yeah, absolutely. I'll get it tomorrow. You've got the boys up there on up towards Smith Farm. You've got loggers and everything up there working right now. I know where that is. One of the spots. Yeah, I know. That hole will eat my truck up is on morse. Yeah, you take a dump float a dump truck load of something up there and dump it in. So a Mary's Buttery all dump it in that hole. Exactly. Yeah, take that out and let us make it. Yeah, be useful. So all right, that's perfect. Thanks, David. I'll give it to Morgan Martin. I really appreciate how deep we dug up there at Finley Bridge. Well, I've noticed even like, I can't remember where it was. Somewhere I was driving this weekend. Is that your jacket? Around here. Mary, Mary, your jacket. Oh, yeah, I will need it. You might know when you get out there, you'll need it. That even after now, even after the flood, everything is so saturated that you're starting to see some of the embankments that were, we'll say, fine during the flood are now starting to slough off. That's why I was kind of, I wondered if that morse farm one was something that happened after the flood because like somewhere around here I saw, it was on a state road where I saw they had big sloughed off into the garden. Well, route 14 and looked down over the bank into the Batten River and that whole side you can see is coming into the river. Yeah, there's been a lot of a lot of runoff from the rain. And if you're ever talking to the guys that want to leave the wood in the brook, go up by John Hodgson's old house and we left the tree in the brook and it's made a beautiful dam. So now any amount of water at all, it's going to come out into our brook. Get up at the state. I know we have that. I'm not disagreeing. It's just going to lose, leave the trees and the rocks in the brook. Yeah, because it's going to make a lot of damage. Rocks I can understand, but trees that are going to fall like straight across the brook, come and have. They might let them do something different. Yeah. Anyway. Yeah, it's going to pass us along. Yeah, thank you. I just, I met these people and I stopped there and I says, holy crap. Like I said, that would eat my truck. Yeah, I wonder if that's left in afterwards because I don't think that was there. I didn't go out there after the flood. I don't know. That's fine. It might have been. How many, how many little rainstorm events did we have? A dozen since then. At least. Right now it's not good. Every day. Well, the thing is, is even if we only get a quarter in or three quarters of an inch or an inch of rain now, everything's so saturated. It's just you're starting to see trees fall over into roadways, you know, because everything's just so wet. Well, we have a vernal pool in our woods in the spring. Yeah. And I've lived there for, since 1979. And by the first week in May, it was 18 inches deep a week ago. Yeah, it's still. Yeah, it's crazy. It dried out yesterday. It's no longer dried out. Well done. Across my street, across my house, there used to be a little runoff pond in the spring. And then by July, it became dry. That thing's been full of water since Irene. Now it's like a permanent pond out there. So now the bugs are a thousand times worse, and you know, everything's bad. True. That bad. Which leads me to talk about what I'm saying is we've got to get on top of this or we're just going to, because I'm guessing, FEMA's going to say, yeah, we've fixed it once. Too bad. Yeah. And we're still in that. I meet with FEMA, just one person tomorrow, but they won't come out for a while to look. No, thank God. We'll get it taken care of. That's stuff where some of that could get taken care of for that. Yeah, absolutely. So no, and that's good. Visually, it's our helpful. So thank you. I appreciate that. Now that I'm in the mood, I'm trying to be, my wife says, be compassionate. The grading they did today, the culvert that was put in two years ago at Vagos, the inlet side is higher than the road. So when he scraped over it, he scraped the culvert. Who installed it? The guy from Colorado. Greg. No, it's his program. Allen. Okay. So it's the one near Fagos. Yeah. And it goes, the inlet is here and the outlet's here. So it's kind of kind of pumping it. So it needs to come out and be put in correctly. Is there an edge or something in there maybe? Could be. Yeah. But that's what they make hammers for. That's what they use hammers for. Yeah. But we, yeah, we wouldn't usually, if we get in that problem, we'll kind of move it a little bit. So it's all have. Anyway, it should be looked at. I'm adding it to this. Like I've said before, we've run out of gravel on personnel. So you're grading ledge now. Yeah. Todd. I'm done. Yeah, of course. Sounds like Dave wants to be put in charge of those projects. That's right. A couple less I have to do. That's right. I'll, I'll give this to Morgan tomorrow. So thank you. All right. And that's helpful too, because it shows exactly where the spots are. It's nice. It's not just like a big, so I appreciate it. We're just visiting the neighbors. So take a picture. No, but it's helpful. It's really handy. Well, thank you. That's the folks I've never met before. See, spreading the good news. So we'll get to the first item, which is the added item. So the access to tracks. Yeah. Money's all covered inside the Vorek grant. We just need an approval from the board to purchase those mats for $1412. Yeah. Yeah. There's 17 mats, 51 by three foot path. Each mat is three by three and can be connected on all four sides. They come with Velcro hinges and then it's shipping and great. So yeah, the money comes out of Vorek. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So, yes. So I told Chris, I'd ask and Chris, I told Chris fours, I would ask $1412. So you have a motion from Dave to approve? Second. From Jean? All in favor? Okay. Eyes and hands. So, Linley, off topic a little bit. So I was in a, it was on the school board end of things. And they were talking about hybrid methods and doing, when we have people remote on voting, that we should actually, the best practice for that is actually to have them unmute, say I or nay, and then, and then, and then mute back again. So we don't see at the school board, okay. At the school meeting, we have usually like two or three in attendance and three or so not in attendance. Right. That makes sense. So they say the best practice is to have rural people unmute, actually verbally say something rather than, you know, most people are like, yeah, come up or whatever. So I don't know if we want as a board, if we care or not, but I learned that there last week. So I don't, I mean, I don't know if it matters with us because most of us are in attendance. In person, right. But like with the school, half the people aren't even there. This is all being recorded. Yeah. Which school, I don't know if the school, the school does too. Yeah. Well, it's just, it's just on the camera. Lindley's voice. So we'll, nice to hear from her. Or whoever might be next time. That's right. So, all right. So we got through that. We have cater permit for babes bar for October 1st, nine to, or sorry, three to nine at the white church. For a music event, as all it says on the, boy, these things are vague going. We used to get a nice little permit and now we have this weird print out from the DLC. So it just says basically nothing. Yeah. It really says nothing. Contact Jesse. And then it says start of the event, end of the event, physical location and somewhere on here it says music event. Yeah. Caterer. And so not much in here. So if there's anything you want to add, feel free, because it doesn't say much. Yeah. So this is actually an exciting event that we were approached by the Vermont Chamber of Commerce. No, the Vermont Humanities Council. Yes. Approached us about this. And they are wanting to put on arts events and music events in smaller towns throughout the state. And so they approached us about hosting the band Purple, which is a Prince cover band that they initially wanted to do at the bar in the parking lot like we've done for Forward Fest. But because it's going to be in October, the band actually preferred to do it indoors. So our capacity at the bar is not super big, especially if it's just a first floor event, which something like this would be. So yeah, we asked the White Church and they were into it. So we're planning on hosting that band there inside. And it'll be a great opportunity to partner with the Humanities Council. They're really excited about Bethel. And yeah, so we're feeling good about it. It'll be a small bar offering, probably just like a couple of beers and a wine. But having something there, so it has that concert feeling to it. Was the time right? Three to nine? Yeah, I think the show is going to be from four to seven. So that just gives us some buffer working on set up that all that people are looking out for the show a little bit. Okay, I just wanted to make sure it was what you were looking for. Yep, all right. So just need a motion to approve that. Second. Move by Jane. Second. Denise. Denise, all in favor? Is that an I, Linley? And then I'll give you a thumbs up. All right. And then we have resignation of Joe and, all right, Joe. On Listers there because they are going to end up moving up north. Yeah, they actually sent a, gave me a letter Friday, but so it didn't go in your packet. It just says, hi, Teresa, just to confirm that Mo and I will be stepping down effective September 15th as Listers for the town of Bethel as we're moving to Hyde Park and will no longer be residents of the town. So she says thanks and have a nice day. Well, like I told Mo the other day, I said, if we don't accept his recognition, they're still technically Listers, right? Exactly. So we can just do that. It's easy. Yeah. So it looks like, so at this point, what we'll do is I've already contacted NEMRIC. There are the people that are doing the townwide reappraisal, but they also manage our software anyways. And they can, they do, they do listing for other towns as well. So I did contact Chris Mealy at NEMRIC right away, and they are able, they'll be able to basically we'll contract with them to do some work. Rick Benson is coming in. He's going to meet with Mo and Judy, I think on Thursday. He's going to come in and do the, we have some zoning permits that need to be valued so that they can get added to the grand list so that as Mo reminded me, we don't want the grand list to be stagnant for the next two years. So he's going to come in, meet with Mo and Judy on Thursday to get caught up on what needs to be reassessed and or assessed for zoning permits. Kelly's making sure that Judy has them all. So we'll do that. And, and I would say at this point, most likely in March, a town meeting will be moving forward to, you know, get rid of the Listers and contract it out. It's, it's, it takes, and Mo and Judy will tell you about three years to have somebody fully trained. And now that the state has just come out with Vermont Pi or VT Pi, what was already a complicated, you know, position becomes even more so. So that kind of makes the most sense. And while we're going to pay for an Emmerich services, we may be able to figure out in house how to do a couple of the small things like inputting information from PTT ours, but at this point, I'm not guaranteeing anything. Well, we're, you know, I know Nemerich will take it on and, and I've spoken to Chris Mealy and so we got to do what we got to do at this point. So, and also Nemerich will be here anyways over the next two years doing the townwide reappraisal. So that also helps to, they'll get to know Beth also. All right. So just need a motion to accept the resignations from them. So moved. Is that, thank you. Jean, second, second? Second. Paul and Tabor, we're going to appoint Pam Brown to the Listers to be able to do some signature related items. Yes, basically as a signature. Yes, because Paul Valley is currently a Lister. So that gives us a signature, but we need to have a second. So, you know, just in case, I'm not sure, you know, what or when at this point I have any chance to kind of focus on their schedule, but, you know, when you need to lodge a grand list, we need to do a couple things. You'd need a couple Listers. So Pam's willing to be a signature. She was your Lister before. She was before Paul. And I think she might have signed a couple things for them. Yeah, so. So just need a motion to appoint. So moved. You all in favor? All right. Eyes. Lindley's raising her hand. And then the the request for federal assistance via the emergency watershed protection program. Yes, this is, it's a confusing thing. Which is already. We did it before, after April 2019. And the, the, if this letter is going to, the Chris will sign is to get us into the process so that the EWP folks Michael point can come out and look at properties that may, that might qualify for this. Then we are the sponsor, which means we put the workout to bid. We do all sorts of stuff, but we can say we will do that shares the sponsor, but the landowner has to pay their 25%. We're not paying private properties 25%. So the state will pay or the feds will pay 75. We do and the owner will do 25. We had two people qualified for it in 2020 and neither took advantage of it. So, but it's, but I know Alex Reister has approached Michael point and he's interested in, in, you know, to see if he can qualify because it's certain things have to be in jeopardy. It can't be just land has to be like, you're going to lose your house, your well, your septic or something like that. So this just allows them to come out and go look at stuff. And then we'll see who takes advantage of it or not. And then it's a process after that. But what is it? So that's what I'm asking for. So we put in myself as administrative contact Morgan as the technical contact, but they require that the chair sign. So any further discussion on that one? We have second, second day of all in favor, please cities and towns and passive verb annual meeting voting delegate. Yeah, I just don't know if anybody's planning on going to the town fair. Are you lending going to the town fair, but he's going to the town fair. Then they could be our voting delegate. So if you want to just, you know, you just sit there and listen to the, well, the town fair has lots of things you could attend to annual meeting. You basically you'll vote on whatever their, whatever their policies then changes are for the year. So if somebody's going, you want to do it? We've had a couple of years where people have gone and we've had a couple of years where I went one year, I kind of almost like if you're there or not there, it's going to happen. I guess the only thing I got out of it was, you know, it was a good opportunity to meet others from other towns, you know, and maybe learn a little bit more on the process. About VLC, it's all insurance, but other than that, it was like, whatever it was, was chance they're going to go through regardless of your their notes. Yeah, they do generally publish their policy stuff and advance and I've never found anything that I was opposed to in all the years I've been doing it. They really have such a good connection with towns and things, but you don't have to decide. I mean, if you want to know you're going today, then they can motion to approve you. But if not, just you decide a couple of weeks, let me know. If you know right now, you really want to go. It's like in September. Yeah, it says September 26th at one o'clock in South Marlington and three, three right, three annual meetings. That's in Chin and County. Three annual meetings will be held consecutively, verb, passive and VLCT. So that's it. So if you want to go. I want to go again. I, at this point, I don't. That's the 26th, she said. Yeah. Yeah, it's in here. I gave you this. I know. I'll just see what comes up if my calendar's open then. I don't know. You'll probably be overseeing some road work. And we just have to vote. We have to designate our voting delegate. Oh, by Friday, September 8th. So don't dawdle if you want to go. You can still go to town fair and you can sign up for that. And then we had the greater repair. Yeah. So we've been talking about this for a while and this, I gave you the price from John Deere and I spoke with AJ and he said there's up to $8,000 in, in parts in there that we may not need, but he prefers to let, you know, John Deere make that decision. We talked to him without even looking at the greater. I'm pretty sure we don't need. Yeah. And that's what he said. And he just, we had talked about sticking with John Deere since they'll warranty it and parts none. Honestly, the bottom line is this. We cannot afford a greater. We cannot afford a new greater. So the people that were present for the equipment committee were like, look, let's put this money into it because we have a couple of issues. We have the, the, we went through and really update again the equipment schedule and prices COVID has gone through the roof for equipment. So we're really going to have to increase our appropriation to the capital equipment fund. So I went through the last time for our equipment committee and did the math and we're like, look, by making a greater payment, increasing the appropriation to where we need to be. I said, coming out of the gate, I was like, I think it was about 4.7%. I said, nobody's got a raise. No one's insurance has gone up. Nothing. I said, we haven't done anything, but these two things. I said, we cannot afford to do this. So I said, what we could do is focus on, I said, also too, we need a new town garage. So the town garage needs to be something that we need to get out there to the voters and I said, if we're going to increase, which we should, our appropriation to the capital equipment fund, I said, we have to do this. I said, you know, there's other departments besides the road department. So I said, you know, there's no way a good conscious, I'm standing up in front of anybody asking for all this at once. So I felt, okay, then you know what, we need to repair the greater itself is in good condition. So it's really just this issue and we did, they did do what was called the planetary sampling, where they take oil samples, the whole thing. And really it was in the other part, we're we're in good shape. So it seems like sounds crazy to say that the 16th want to say would 10,000 be eight or 10,000 I want to say. What's long hours? And but you also have to remember some of those hours are travel from it being driven from point A to point B. So not all the hours on this thing we're grading. I'm not sure if it says on the estimate how many hours are on it. I didn't see it. Yeah. No, sorry. I should have looked for you. Anyways, it's the honestly, it's the most responsible or financially responsible thing to do. My question will be, is there a recommendation from John Deere to change our service timing? Not that I'm aware of, but I could, I mean, because that's the thing too, I went through this with break, break, break names on the Committee is the thing that happens here is you inherit equipment that's been through several road foremen. And when Morgan came, he did Institute well before when he came and he was working for the prior road form and he did Institute a maintenance. So now we have records and we have, you know, regular maintenance. And that's one of the things we talked about. They do their in house maintenance. They get their filters from them. They do all the scheduled services. But what we're doing now is looking at when we buy, like if we lease a piece of equipment is looking at adding the money into a lease for them to come and do, you know, the service calls and things because then we know if we were leasing, it would help hold the value of the equipment. But at this point, John Deere had this, we're going to call it a lease, but it wasn't, it was a loan. And it was a pretty high interest rate and it wasn't, there was no, you know, like with a lease, you're going to pay for a portion of it. That's not the case with what they had at the time. So we're hoping that changes as well. So at this point, and we're also hoping that this way it can go and be gone for, you know, if it has to be out of service for a month, it'd be like the month of October. And then when it comes back, it's so John Deere is going to rebuild it. Yes, they're going to buy that. We get the full block already comes and then the rest is, you know, parts. We have a small crew. My thoughts are sometimes we have, the guys are doing things that are not there, not there, I could say, not their job. Yeah. You mean like in their part of you, not, yes, we need to have them out doing what they do. Right. We don't need them fixing the building or, or I don't know about the service that, that might be, they do the basic service. But there's some things that it's just not their job. I agree with that statement. So I mean, I know what I can do and what I can't do, and if I can't do it, I don't try to do it. And a lot of the stuff now has is so there's going to be in a couple of years, we're not going to do anything because it's all computerized and we're just not going to be able to touch it. So, but yes, they do the general basic service. They do their own breaks. They do, you know, certain things like that that they do, but anything that's beyond that they know is going to take a while, they send it out because they just, they don't have the time to do it. You're lost, you're lost on that service contract thing. Oh, really? Well, blessed for all their big tractors. Oh, I saw that, the repair thing on the news the other day for farmers, they were saying, they said, you can't get this software. That's right. Yes, they can. That's right, because they were, I wondered if they were leasing that or if they owned it. Like if you owned it, you would think you'd get the software, but yeah, no, I, Honda does something similar. If you want to have your brakes fixed. Found that out. But so anyways, to me, it's, it's the most responsible. Not that we're holding into it, but so if we were to purchase a new grader, you know, before we were talking, you know, roughly around $100,000 a year payment or something like that, right? I think so. Yeah, because it was 80 to 100 or whatever we were talking. Yeah, it was high because it was 400 and some of that. Now this 40 to 60,000 that we're going to put into this, if we decide that, not holding it to it, but what do we feel we will realistically get out of that piece of machinery? Is this a four year? Four to five years. Okay. So I mean, we're talking on average of $10,000 a year maintenance, you know, that we get out of this. So, you know, in a way, we're going to save in 70, 80,000 a year. But if we do push this out, how does that look in four or five years time for us to forward with purchasing something? It's in the schedule. So basically you're going to see when we go to do the budget in, you know, whatever, October, November, you're going to see the Capital Equipment Fund contribution has gone up significantly. So we have it in the mix so that it's in there. But what we're also hoping for is that there will be a lease program for something like that, because there is, I talked to a gentleman from initials in Middlebury, they're a dealer over there, a picture, and I just saw that on TV for them the other day and they have like where they sell jeeps and they have like a little thing out back where you can try them out, you know, I mean, yes, Gardner. So anyways, they, I talked to their sales rep one day when I was at the garage and AJ was there, we were talking to him and he said for some of their other equipment, they do have like what we're looking for, lease programs where you're purchasing a portion of so maybe you have it for a few years and then you turn it in and so you're not, you know, yes, maybe you're making a payment but you're not getting into, you know, huge expenses. So I'm really hoping that we could find something like that with a grater or we find, you know, a good quality used one. So as I gave the road crew that website that you gave me, so yeah, I think my experience in the town that I feel and I don't think anybody was intentionally trying to do anything wrong, but especially during Alan's stay is we use that grater more like a personal vehicle to move all over town. Yeah. And I, and one of the things that breaks down a piece of equipment like that is by putting mileage on. So, you know, even though it will travel at a certain speed for a certain distance, it's, it's not made for that. I agree. So, and we used to see it constantly, like I'm not kidding, you're like one day they'd be in East Bethel, the next day they'd be up on Hooper Hollow, you know, or, or they'd be in East Bethel in the morning Hooper Hollow in the afternoon. I'm like, you're putting so many miles and hard hours on that grater that what I would hope that they would do going forward is instead of going back and forth and say, hey, you know what, for this whole week, we're going to be over in East Bethel. And when they're done for the day, they find a place to park it over there. And they do have places. Take the vehicle over here and not be going back and forth because that's what really puts a lot of strain on a piece like the grater. Yep. And because I remember like Bill Brainer, they parked it over there. Everybody saw the grater. I mean, the grater used to be almost a personal vehicle. He stopped out front of Champlain Farms to get a drink. You know what I mean? It was like, what are we doing? Like this thing is not meant for that. You know, it's really meant to be a slow moving, work hard vehicle. I know that they have places to drop it. Like Bill Brainer said they could leave it there. They had some places, but I've had that conversation with Morgan and AJ before and we'll have it again. Or just, you know, again, when they're going to tackle grating type things, leave it in a section of town for a period of time. Absolutely. Don't feel obligated. They have to bring it to the garage or anything, you know. Exactly. Yeah, sometimes, you know, it is what you gotta do. Or find, you know, find different quadrants of where you can park it in each quadrant. They graded just over a mile of road and then left. The road from where they stopped on to some of these places all needed grating. Yeah, I don't know. But they didn't get there till late in the morning. That would be early afternoon. Yeah. No, no unnecessary movement of that. Right. Right. Unless you need to, you know. Same thing with the winter time. I mean, it's... Yep, exactly. You know. It's not a plow. Unless it has to be. I mean, once in a while you get that snow event where you need some help. Well, last year, remember, we had no choice. The international was down. So, Morgan was using that to do Christian help because you had, we didn't have a lot of alternatives. So, but yes, now that the international is running and not gonna international. The blue. Yeah. Put a mortar in it, right? They took it. No. Yeah. But we took it to, this time, to Reed's, not back to 10. So, to a different stuff. They leave idling for hours. Yep. Is that necessary? I can't answer that. I mean, I think it is in the winter time, but I, I can't... I'm talking about in the last couple weeks. Can you guys... Is it town related or not town related? Like, is it, is it one of our pieces or is it someone that's working on the road? No, it's our people using, they were using it. It was a big hauler. Oh, that's Darius. That's Darius. So, wouldn't be anything that we would, we would. Yeah. Like, if it was like the town's piece of equipment, we probably, I mean, that's a private piece of equipment. I would not say that's best practice, but Yeah, I don't know what the best practice is for diesel. I don't, do you have a diesel truck? It depends on what you're doing. I mean, if you're, if you're, if you're not using it for a period of time, maybe a half an hour. There are some pieces of equipment once you get running, you know, you keep it running for the day. Yeah. But I think I remember that day, because I had stopped in there, see, I mean, he had mentioned that he, he forgot he left his, his haul truck running down there. I said, well, that's going to be pricey days. Well, actually it doesn't burn that much. It's like, well, you're going to find out if you left it running all day. Yeah. It's definitely not best practice. I mean, you know, it's probably nothing that we can police as the town, because we don't have an ordinance or anything like that. But, but if it was one of our pieces of equipment, and it was running all day, I mean, that wouldn't be a best practice that we could talk to them about. Yeah. I think we, I think our folk were running it. It might have been. But anyway, I just noted that and I didn't know if there was a reason to keep them going or not. Okay. I'm sorry, sir. I don't know. What do you know about Diesel, Lindley? Can you answer Gene's question? She can build your stuff, but I don't know. The, um, so we just need a motion to approve up to 60,000 through the capital funds to use towards the grader. All in favor? Okay. So last time we're going to have that on the agenda for four years. From your lips to God's ears, as they say. Yeah. I mean, it is, it's getting up there, but all right. And then the next item, um, for, well, for, for tonight anyways, that we're just reading off the. Just verify the date and time. I highlighted it. Yeah. But pretty much it's just an informational reading. Um, prize to this. Um, uh, I assume both parties read the packet. I know I saw, um, Beverly and she, she knew about it and asked if Andrew needed to be present. I said no. And, um, but no, there's a whole process has to go first. You have to set the date and this day is based around our attorney because he wants to be present because there's such a very specific, you know, that he wanted to be present. This was a day he was available. I know it says four o'clock. If you wanted to go a little earlier, we could. I think that what he's trying to do is get as tight to your select board meeting as possible. So you're not paying them to be here for 12 hours. But as Chris said, we could, um, possibly make your select board meeting a little earlier. They want to make the meeting at five. If we meet up there at four, I mean, that time of year, it's dark at 430. So I don't know how much you're really going to do before 430. You know what I mean? It doesn't give you a lot of time, but it's probably going to be two hours. It's going to be darker up there. So I mean, I think you got to give yourself an hour up there, right? Yep. And not to mention travel back and so, um, so if you want to, you would three and five. Sure. That's what I was thinking. If we went to a five o'clock board meeting at three o'clock. Does that work for you, Lindley, on November 2nd? Yeah. So we're thinking we'd do a three o'clock, well, that we would do a three o'clock onsite inspection and then a five o'clock board meeting. Yeah. That's what David Roo said, but he's so he was like, you're calculating out. You're hoping it's getting darker. That's what he said. Yeah. It's creeping up quickly. Oh, I'm sorry. Does that work? I believe so. Okay. Good. Um, I believe so. Yes, that we would meet up there. That is a Thursday. Thursday that we would meet up there. Um, and obviously we'll have more information as we go along, but it would be excellent if we could have all five select board members present. I don't think we need to have five or six cars. No, we could carpool. Absolutely. That'd be great. Yeah. But if we could multiples could go together. It's the day of the dead. Yeah, we could all, what? November 2nd is the day of the dead. So we could, um, we could meet, you know, we could park our cars here and then carpool, certainly because I need to get the hall set up and then, um, that way. Yeah. Oh, okay. Gotcha. He's yeah, but we would actually start the meeting because wouldn't we have to start meeting up there? I think so. But again, I'll have more details where I didn't bring his. I think we'd actually have to start the meeting, right? Yeah. He just says the public hearing of the discontinuous to be held on this time and, uh, with the public hearing to be held at five and an inspection of the premise to be held earlier in the day. So I probably would do something up there as far as calling, maybe not, but we'll get the details from David. He already sent us that big, um, you know, list of the whole process. I did not bring that with me. So I could review that. So you need this whole thing right off? Um, yeah, someone needs to make this motion. This is the way he laid it out. So right. The right road discontinuance and date of inspection and hearing, uh, motion that the select board commence discontinuance proceedings for the northernly most portion of right road town highway number 19 with the portion to be discontinued commencing at the northernly edge of the truck and plow turnaround area near Beverly writes dairy farm burn and southernly of a garage where the class where the road is a class three highway and extending in a northernly northwesterly direction to the Rochester Bethel town boundary line with a public hearing on the discontinuance to be held November second at five p.m. And an inspection of the premises to be held earlier that afternoon at three p.m. The portion of right road proposed to be discontinued includes the entirety of the class four section of right road town highway 19 being plus or minus point four eight miles and length and any portion of the class three section of right road northernly of the existing turnaround that is located southerly of mis rights garage which class three section is believed to be plus or minus thousand feet in length that is the biggest run-on sentence does not single period the lawyer wrote that that's not my right spell check is gonna have fun with that one so just need to just need a motion okay moved in second is that you lindley second up okay all in favor gotcha yeah there's not even a single period in there let's well there is down here period far away through i know like i said i just cut and basted from his email and i'm like so update on flood repairs bid results and moving forward on finnard bridge road right yeah okay seems like meetings we've had discussion about the turnaround area is that description good enough accurate description so we don't have several meetings of why are you backing over here and driving over there it should be i mean this is what the lawyer wrote and he has been on the premise and he you know so he said near beaverley writes dairy barn southerly of her garage so i might not i could i know i could i know so i could get put a gbs location in there i guess but i'm not sure how well we'll certainly spell it out when we're there seems like we have had yes multiple questions about that we have and we probably will continue to but but yeah so since the lawyer wrote i guess it's great but it's a good question dave and we can always um i can i'll mention to him when moving forward if he wants if we need like a i mean we have a 911 address for the barn and for her house so maybe we include those if i was gonna if it was up to me i would i would just continue it right right prior to the circle and then we can i mean we can turn around or do whatever we want wherever we want well see i don't think i think i think that's gonna cause us more grief yeah because the way they do it now discontinued past circle that circle is now the town road so the boys have the right to use that exactly yeah no yeah yeah there's definitely that yeah because i'm i'm just thinking someone's gonna say well you're doing flavors again if you go a hair over i can turn around where we want to turn around so whatever we want to solve but it wouldn't make it easier because you never know like maybe the agreement we have with them now changes and somebody else buys it i'll ask him if we should have a more specific position but yeah we and that's or maybe it's supposed to be maybe there's we'll say this maybe there's a reason it's it's not as specific you never know the way those lawyers think so but i'll find out that's a perfect way to be yeah exactly all right so flood repairs uh so the west quadrant that is wittier liliesville etc was awarded to wb rogers they were the low bidder uh cleveland brook road uh wb rogers was a little bitter woodland road jeff townsen was a little bitter sandhill and p vine rfp um all dragetti logging and excavation was the low bidder abet road old route 12 fish hill um all dragetti logging excavating was the low bitter so those are currently all of our bids that are out i just got some information today from um jaren so i'll be able to put i've now i'll be able to put out our smaller section of camp brook road out which is a 18 inch culvert a little bit of armoring and some more rip wrap around jim ford's area i got the dimensions for today from jaren so i'll bid that separately on thursday the state agreed to put us into what they call their id iq process which is faster for federal highway and it takes um a little bit of the burden off dubois and king they don't have to go through as far with drawings and bid documents uh basically it goes out to the pre-approved list of contractors that the state deals with so it becomes faster because obviously both of those culverts have got to be done before snow flies we have three hydraulic studies we had two hydraulic studies done on camp brook road those are both done and given to um and have been sent to dubois and king so they're working on that so at this point that's all going forward their idea is to bid them so that it is one job because if we bid it is too separate then one has to haul from mauchester and one has to haul the other way so he wants to bid it as one you know both is one so that's moving along very smoothly um the other hydraulic study i'm waiting for is perm road i'm waiting for that one and uh sand hill there's one culvert there that i'm waiting for culvert that blew out on back river road i mean we just barely put that culvert back in four three four years ago on pee vine yeah so that's just that's going back in at the same at the same size and um but there was some issues with that culvert if i'm thinking of the same one it was rotten up the bottom yeah the that was an old corrugated steel pipe that yeah i know it was still there yeah yeah yeah yeah so um but i'm hoping to get sand hill per um this week and so that way i had had since derrick was awarded that bid i messaged him today and told him which one of the there was two large structures and said you can order this one but you can't order because we don't know what they're gonna recommend yet so he was fine with that he was gonna let whoever he's working with know um we spoke with dan mccullough today as well as ryan slack and morgan about the work being done on north road we um authorized a purchase of two additional structures that will most likely be outside of fema for about five thousand dollars but if we're going to be in there we got to do this right so what has happened is there was the structure i don't know the nine one address but there's like a red car right there so that structure which we've had pumped out which we believe has you know 24 inch coming out of it dan chased it a while and has found that it's um oh snap i'm gonna forget the name it's pretty fragile once you you can corner it what's that type of pipe crap it can be really fragile when you hit it clay oh yeah clay tile clay tile so he's so what we're gonna do is orange bird excuse me orange bird oh i've never heard that term so whatever i'm still fingers crossed that one we dig further now we're gonna hit another structure but ryan and dan don't think we're going to because of the way that the pipe is laid he's like the way they curved that in nicely he said it's a nice belly so i don't think we're gonna find a second structure but the idea is to put another one near tessie's and then another one down further so that when we come across to connect into ryan's or the state structure we're just doing a longer term fix we've already upgraded the pipe size and upgraded the pipe type it just makes sense we've had problems up there forever in a day so we're in there we will end up paying for some of that outside of fema but it just makes sense to do it and do it right so we have received all of the pipe and then i just ordered those two catch basins from um weed today so um hopefully we'll get that project wrapped up here pretty soon it's taken a while but i have to say i've really dan has done a really great job and kept ryan in the loop and he's had morgan over there ryan over there to make sure that all the moving parts yep so now that we have you know when now we have those ordered once this he said once we get everything they'll be able to go quickly and we're going to give him a laborer for the day a j or morgan or somebody to help him um to get it done so which is fine and so that's coming along well then i met with um gentlemen from geostabilization international dave brogan for fiddly bridge i had spoken with the state they sent um jaren borgauss opened the narrows there and it's i i talked to chris bump our our person you know and the engineer for the area and just said look it says right in the orange book if we need help you we'll help us and we need and it helped so he came over so jaren came over and looked at it and he was pretty easy river engineer and he said yeah you could rebuild you know the road with rip wrap from the base up and tow in the slope and we talked about that and he said he'd had just enough geotech background he took a look at it and then he looked across the road where it goes like this and he's like wow so is chris getting a geotech he said so this gentleman approached us i talked to chris bump about i met with him they are putting they came and looked he came and looked at it and they're doing a proposal for us at no charge at this point i haven't seen it yet he was hoping to get me a number by today um he did a really good job explaining it so there's a couple of options here and not gonna lie they're all gonna be expensive i have no doubt but one of them is like a soil stapling and they they stay up on the road and you can see that in the brochure that we made a copy of and they hammer these large nails way back into the ledge and then they have a couple of options after that they can spread like a mesh and it reminds me of quilting because they have there's like little puckers and in it is a screw and a nut to kind of tighten it down they can cover that with they can seat it there's another option where they do spray concrete on a bit more of a metal structure and he said that when he looked at the bank towards the river there was a couple places where he suggested that they would do the process that would require spray yeah that would require spray concrete and then on the other side where the slope is that it would be more of the other um of the other part where they're kind of doing the the state the soil stapling so it's like the road goes out to 10 greens yeah and there's a lot of clay in there and that lasts about two years and then that ended up in the river well what's interesting here is um he said that the way that they do it because my concern is of course that if we built like a retaining wall or anything there's still so much material up above that is it rains and trees come down he said this stuff can have if that some of that collapsed on top of it it's really easy to clean up he said that it let they it's 75 years that it lasts he said they would go down a ways to the river and he said you don't go all the way down when we may require some riprap to be placed we're into the toe of the slope they check on it they did the road to in warren up to um sugar bush he said he inspects it twice a year and he said we have had to do a little maintenance to the toe of the slope but this is goes in so far that it stabilizes that whole section top you know how many other feet of your road so i talked to morgan about it and um you know if we chose to and i haven't done the quantities yet if if we did the um quantity you guys have to measure it maybe do an estimate but is how much riprap we would have to haul in there to do that bank along the river and then however we were going to use it to stabilize the the slope where we have the landslide is we could haul in riprap till the you know and get that all done but then we all know with a heavy rain a lot of that's gonna go it's just not gonna you know this definitely seems like a more permanent fix but i'm going to see the reason i wanted him to come before fema was because fema may say you know you don't have any culverts out here maybe they would just do the minimum whereas if we talk about that's a bigger project um you know i want to see what they're gonna do because it's already slid again you know with all the rain since then and it's just not you know that road isn't you know i did a i did a similar job a couple years ago in cavendish on 131 and that was a state job and it was probably half the size of this one and it was it was around 1.6 million and he's not it's expensive yeah i mean it it does work for the most part it is and i have not estimated the quantities like of how much riprap well let's freeze a relative term because we have to have somebody up there to pick it we have to someone to load it we have to haul it so yeah but you're doing all the other stuff so but i don't know um i haven't estimated you know how far down that is how wide how deep i have i haven't looked at that to figure out how much material we would need but you could probably light that whole bank for like a quarter million what about the other side with the material of the quarry yeah and what about the other side the up from up the bank the slide side yeah there's a little trick here because you're gonna have to cut some of the bank back and lay some stone in there and it's pretty wet right now so you know you probably get into another 100 or 100 and a half probably like 400 000 for all that but these guys i mean not to say this isn't the wrong approach just there it's gonna be very pricey in which we knew i mean there was no doubt but obviously and the one we did in cavernous took 16 weeks to do i asked him he said they could start takes a while you know that they could start right away but obviously i don't know what the price is my guess is it's you know i mean we're building a bridge to one house for 1.1 million i mean you know million just doesn't get you what he's apparently so i'm sure it's gonna be very pricey but um i don't know i mean when you look at if we're going to continue so now we've got two good floods in four years so okay so say we spent a half mil to get that because we haven't even engineered in which we would have to engineer the slope at least we'd have to engineer a little bit on both slopes i would say so say we've got a half million into this section of not even a mile of road what so we do that now and then what's going to happen in four years when you know you have more water and that stone does how many times are we going to do that where so i don't know i mean i'm anxious to see what his number is rochester did a job a couple years ago on their side of the mountain remember on the backside of the 19 flood yeah they did they they had a similar project that yeah i saw that that was done by j a mcdonald maybe that was one they only had one slope right well they had upstream and downstream i thought they just did one slope but it was all the guard rail and stuff there too and they did they lost like half the road there yeah didn't they do and i got to think that was like two million dollars i don't know that it was pretty it was it was quite bad you know what the cheapest thing to do close the road talk yeah that the that section is one lane does that restore it or renew it to a two lane i'm not sure that road ever should have been two lanes but he did say that it may in sections will garner us a little room not a whole bunch but he also suggested that um obviously there there's only a couple culverts in place there and in the past uh morgan explained the history to me that it always been a berm on the riverside and that the road had been sloped toward the bank and then just through the years of changes in road form and it know it the berm got removed and it was kind of crowned so it needs to be re stated me right now it looks like there's a berm but it's just material that slid across the road from the landslide so um there is a stream running on the on the landslide there's natural springs there's like yeah we looked there's like six or eight natural springs coming out of there too we have to deal with and of course too it's there's so it's so wet you start digging into it and it's it's gonna be crazy so we i also you know who's to say maybe we decide let's have them stabilize the the bank side and we'd rip wrap the river so this doesn't have to be you don't have to use them on both sides of the road this could be a two first just like we did on uh 107 that big corner up there we lost on an iran uh-huh it was like this and now it's like the bank is like flat they hauled in rock from from chicken county for two months dumped it off the rail that's what they'll say if you aren't do that well this one here you won't be able to this will be more like a one on one and a half slope it's gonna be yeah because he said he goes we're not gonna be steep they're not planning because we don't have a lot of real estate to work with there we don't and he also the upstream and maybe you can get like two on one but but for the bank where the slide is he said they wouldn't change much basically they could just come in and put it down clean it up what we have yeah still not but not use this product again to get to jeans point like i know i met somebody the other day but if you look at like the legal definition of two lanes is is 11 feet lanes right now none of our dirt roads are like that so i just you're you know our dirt roads are 17 18 feet wide so they're technically yeah not a two lane road anyways but but you want to be safe enough to stay off of the exactly and chris and i'd briefly had that conversation dave about that section of the road because i mean you can get up there there is a section where you can um like the road used to be much lower and you can drive down the river so that you could put material in at the toe of the slope and work your way back but either way this is not cheap fix um and if we decided not to go this route keep in mind we're still gonna throw engineering money at it because we're going to need someone to come in and engineer both sides on whatever our fix is so there's a chunk of change right there i'm just convinced that it's one of those roads that would continue erosion like a year you know 40 to 80 years from now is going to eventually just be done anyways you know i mean it's it's slowly making its way so i mean cut your losses and because there's access both ends there is it certainly if you're going um if you know i think it certainly makes your drive longer if you're on that yeah like you say you're our road foreman i don't because at the end of you're walking right now well here's my question when you get to the Bethel end there's a road right there on the left which name escapes me does that go back into Randall into Bethel that's a class four holy shit road that goes ends up by the sand disbar yeah what's the name of that thing i can also i've gone the road's way it's right after when Randall the bounty road ends it's and you take a left it has a name on it it's called the bounty road not anymore no it's called there's a name it's not i can picture the sign i can too it's a brain cramp yeah um i you know it's a two it's a it's a two two word and it's a name of a person i keep wanting to say charlie wilson but it's not but it's not but it's a name of a person something it used to be the bounty road that may be it may be used to but yeah now it's not it goes up the fish hill road and i was just curious in that because i did mention to the road foreman when i thought we might have to close it he was like do you know what my commute to work would be my this this road goes up the fish hill road um it's the one at the end of the map how i could show you it's right fairington it goes down further it goes west it should take a left of town lines it's within a hundred yards of the sign that says you're now on this is right around randolph because randolph's a stock farm road right yep so fairington nope it's down this way closer to us well kip fairington lives right across from that current what's that road what is that a road no that's that's the bridge i'm gonna cross finley bridges north main and you start going up the finley bridge i'll find it boy yeah this little finley right there that's that's where it changes to randolph right there oh they don't show it then it's not on here does it connect fairington to fairington what does this one say back road to beffel that's what it really says on the map back road camp that's campbell drive that's i mean if it's not an official road it won't be on here yeah i don't know it's got a nice road sign on it so and that doesn't connect over to fishel i don't know i've never driven it yeah it's basically the end of the left that you could talk to fishel oh let me see i can't it's not an official road because it's not on the um stop it so let's show it out here campbell i can't think of the name of that road tyson tyson are you looking lindley that one hit anyway grand what is the name of the road that's the left after turns left where i turn around like right where we have the road closed sign it's in randolph tyler william road where does that come out that's yeah okay awesome all right thank you start by the way i'm gonna go back to my slideboard meeting i think three houses out there that's where does it go he said nowhere he's like it's just three houses out there so it's tyler william road so as soon as you just as you barely get just here from the battle to randolph it's tyler william road right there because that's where i turn around to go back it kind of goes backwards right you pull you're going straight down and stop for a while but here you just it's a it's a you hook a left right there and that's tyler william road he said oh yeah and he said only goes three houses so that that would have left yeah if you're heading towards randolph there's a road to go right but you're leaving yeah because i would take you down with the river yeah so anyway so yeah so if we were closed that road then you know anybody that's on this side is is going all the way to randolph so like i said i approached that with the well i think at this point we're just gonna see what what the geo stabilization what the price is people come back at and then we can work on that yeah i could i guess i was 80 years now we'll have drones and to carry us around we won't need that's right i will say that morgan i both the way tyson park was the 75 year you know for us that it would because i'm like how long does something like this last so but again it could be where we have them stabilize the slope across the road and because there's no doubt more if that's going to come down and so he did say if stuff landed on it be fine but again you know it's as of like five or five thirty whatever i checked my email i didn't have a message from them they were working on pricing but it's it's something that we got to think about and it's not going to be a a cheap fix so but i have an appointment tomorrow with fema so at 1030 so but that's as far as flood repairs so everything is out that has been awarded we'll do contract signing chris is going to oversee the work um so we're going to our next step is contract signing mandatory pre-construction meeting um and then chris will you know start talking to people to oversee more convincing if you want to eat oversee abit so yeah it all depends on if they all want to go at the same time or not exactly so they all do then it'll be very busy yeah so he's um so anyways we'll start that so things will be done and other than that the we're are going to do a couple things outside of the bids like um abit road we want to add three culverts that's not having to do a fema we'll provide the culverts and work with the contractor in this case it's derrick to get those installed we've already talked to the landowner which is royal rock to see about getting those installed and like morgan said we have a contractor there with the machine we can go in and help them let's just get these things done it's going to help us hold that road together down the road so we are trying to do a couple of mitigation things outside of fema did i see that we bought all galvanized culverts this time well that's like a hella pile up there there was a pie that's oh that's for dan mccullough that's for that's what we um all agreed on to put around up there so no the other culverts we bought were plastic and we've burned through all of ours i think except two and and um to put them in the ground so hopefully uh so we are trying to do a couple things outside of fema that we'll pay for ourselves but it makes sense we're there it's needed let's get it done so so that's my update unless you have any specific questions on the flood repairs or i was hoping we get some more gravel well you will you will all your gravel is going down down to everybody else's room it's all at that culvert it's going to mary's house yeah so that's yeah so hopefully you will see a flurry of activity soon in your neighborhood in september so we better be flurry yeah they have till november 17 so yeah we're everybody's i know sure i think in 2019 we started july i think it was late it was july in august i think we did it all july august a little bit of september then here yeah so yeah we're going to be sure in october and some of these projects but that was pretty much the same contractor had gone almost all of that year so they had to kind of do one to do the other for this case we have three well if you count north we're four different contractors going on so yeah it couldn't get done faster yeah well i mean i think that most anybody has his two contracts yeah well darryl because he got that grant he's actually got three but that one once he's up there that shouldn't take more than i don't think that'll take about a week or so to kick out um is that does that project that's upon morse road towards smith barn is that a FEMA project morse road on i don't know where he who is working it uh dylan yes it's a FEMA project they're logging and getting into the brook and all kinds of stuff up there so um the road is the road is going away so they got to rip out the brook up so they can keep the road okay yeah the nat one is because there was some up there um i'm trying to remember the landowner's name emailed they mailed with him a couple times but um so yeah anything he's working on is FEMA related um and then same thing with dan mccullough wb will be wrapping up the trout brook next week and he's done so yeah so they should all be getting ready to be able to move on to projects so also um you know i'm not sure if you know maybe somebody will sub out a portion of projects too or something so and the town's prepared if we need to to help somebody um get their project we need to haul for them or haul away material something we can you know we're we're planning to do that too to keep people on dark as we need them done no we need them done by the 70s to get paid yes right well i don't think there's any liquidated damages in the contract but you know thanks chris yeah we thank you chris pretty soon he's the one who's going to oversell this uh oh i didn't know i thought you wanted this on you oh yeah i mean we wanted to talk about kind of our well we started talking about the town manager's goals but then i was one positive thing not a lot of positive things come out of these meetings at the school but one of them that did kind of click with me recently is and this was at the supervisory level as they they um i'm on the supervisory union board so there's we come together and we put together um board goals for the year um now some of that kind of runs concurrently with the superintendent's goals you know and and with some of the vision of the the su and i know it's difficult because then it gets into each individual school but so i just got kind of thinking the same maybe there's some similar model that we could do we're you know at a certain point every year that we establish select board goals for the year whatever that might be so yeah and in like at the school ours was like six and then they kind of trickle down into the superintendent's yeah piece on how they fit into those goals well it makes sense i mean so i kind of was thinking i know we've been kicking this around a little bit usually it's kind of you know up to the town manager to kind of pick some smart goals that work for them but then i just kind of was thinking maybe it'd be better if if we figure out a timey year where we establish our own goals yeah um and then we back that into the town manager or we do it together because let's face it i mean in a lot of cases you decide which rock you want pushed uphill and then i push the rock uphill like for example i know that one or i believe one of your goals should be you need to focus on the downtown i've gone through all that better connection stuff i finally called rita at two rivers and said look about ready to rip my hair out i'm in the weeds with flood stuff but if we only have until 2026 to do something on main street we need to take all this better connection stuff and focus and i said but for me and rita agreed we need to focus on infrastructure because we need to do from underground up an order for us to not screw up a pavement job that's you know if it happens in 2026 so i gave her that email so she could go through it so i would like to work on that with the select board through the winter so that we know come spring what our goals are about what we feel we do what grants are out there what we can afford to do because 2026 isn't that long for us to tackle what we need to tackle and it's not parklets it's underground we know we need to do redo the municipal parking lot we know we have a couple waters um storm water project so for me that would be one of my goals and and and that's a that's a wee goal so i actually like the idea of doing it together because i can have all the goals i want but if if they're not worse than every one doesn't make a difference because we're you know we're doing pushing the rock so but that's one thing i could think of is that and you know i'm not sure if you'd have and then the other thing i just wanted to add i was looking it up the other thing that they did coincide i mean i know we kind of know every year when we have to do certain things like when we start the budget or you know do the new water rates and stuff but not everybody down the road is going to know that necessarily right if all of a sudden we're not here who knows what to do things right so the other thing that the school does is um that they just implemented was like a they call it a budget timeline but you know yeah it's kind of like a master calendar of the year it doesn't get too nitty gritty just more the high level stuff like if you weren't here all of a sudden or if the board was completely different knowing that they're still able to get everything achieved that they need to like make sense like water rates are done here and you can put things in like you know you could put in the you know make make sure we have the select board goals in by whatever make it up june of every year right when you yeah make sense and then you know that budget season and then even on budget season you can say you know whatever to have all this done by october but then you're starting out your each individual um departments until yeah because not everybody's going to be as is um organized maybe going forward with knowing it is and it's a lot coming into it sure because everybody's a little different maybe bowls or something that could should ought to be shared at a meeting if you put it in your um some like feedback stuff like that well this is what we're planning is a select board this is what we're planning to do in the next fiscal year yeah put it right in the letter that you write that goes in and so you know we share with this is what absolutely we see is important yeah and they can say no you're full of it yeah great i mean for me it's you know one of the things and i actually had a conversation with ryan slag about that today it's been like you know i need help getting it done and uh is this master broke plan and so i talked to him about today because he asked me how much money did we spend when we read it campbell so i went back through the numbers added it all up and said this is what we you know when we spend and we're figuring that it's about um probably 150 000 a mile to do a gravel road to do ditching stone wooden materials and that so then we talked about okay now i feel that this fall would be a winner would be a good time and that's a project that we could embrace because as the select board then you have this plan so when someone calls or comes to a meeting and says hey when are you fixing perm road you can say around here unless of course there's a flood or something but it gives so that's something but of course my brain works in a fashion that is i think infrastructure planning you know i'm not you gotta update this policy or whatever i'm more like that's both but that's just my framework so your goals will be your goals but i think you need to keep in mind those sorts of things as you go along certainly that's that's what we've talked about yeah so it's i think in my idea of like the whole like putting this like maybe master calendar together is like getting everything that's in your head down on a piece of paper so that when the time comes that you decide to leave you don't want that but you know i mean at least we have a template that we can use to train the next person to be you know um because we don't know how the next person will be compared to you so well we've been so but it is helpful you're right because if you haven't been a vermont town manager there's certain things that are the same like you did some of the same things on the same town line as other towns but but yeah there's also stuff that i had no idea like certain insurance forms that are specific to vermont that have to be done because of your insurance policy and that's surprising every year so there's and you have like rosecow tree the things we have to sign and send in that before covid they mailed to us and now they just expect us to remember because you have to do them online so there is a lot of stuff like that and maybe it's um you know certain policies you want to look at or whatever so i think that's a good idea um but yeah so i just put it on there for you guys but i like the idea of joint goals it just makes the most sense because so how would we how would we like to do that i mean what would we think the goal setting process for the board i mean i would think that the most logical would be right at a town meeting day you know like but what if they what if everybody comes up with three of their own so at least you have an idea how everybody's thinking and then before you roll into town meeting maybe you all right yeah just because dav's brain works different than my brain and so he may have three totally separate thoughts than me or niece or or lindley and so maybe you'd have all the same goals so um i don't know that's just my thoughts at least to see where everybody's coming from i think overall it's a good idea i think um i was actually just thinking about sort of the timing and like what christ was saying of sort of the example of you know maybe it's in june before to set the goals and then it's working on them but obviously there's some planning and thinking and discussion that has to happen and so sort of even just setting that schedule of that time frame of when is the first discussion of goals or like your point of if everybody's bringing three goals to the table what is that due date then when is the discussion and you know is it more than one discussion is there opportunity for um resident input you know is that at town meeting hey do you have something you'd like the select board to focus on and then think about their ideas um and then it's distilled down and the decision is made by x date um right so it almost seems like we have to sort of figure out that calendar first and like what would be that sort of scope of what it looks like and then and then obviously this year would be a little different we'd be out of that scope but part of our thinking would be setting that calendar where do we put well what is it is a part of it i'm sorry i mean what what a part of it might be for us doesn't it make sense in a way that you focus on your goals um around the same time you're doing the budget because if you come up with this super awesome goal um in march well we don't have the money for that because we didn't have the goal in mind before we started the budget i don't know it's just something to think about should the goals should be set before we're thinking about the budget because it informs then how you approach or whoever approaches setting the budget right so we need to know well yeah that's what i'm thinking yeah because if you come up with some awesome goal in february or you know that's great but it means i can't fund it for two years you know so i you know what i mean so maybe you have to think about the timing and and it doesn't have to happen tonight that's just and i guess i'm kind of looking at it as like leave the town managers performance review separate you know that's a personal thing between the board and the town manager but then having combination of we'll call it the select board goals and obviously our goals are your goals are my goals you know but they're kind of separate from this performance but this will be something that we could lay out to the public so that they understand this is what we are here's our goals you know but i think but i think it also it it if we put that goal out there are those list of goals yearly to the public there's transparency and there's there's the ability for the public to hold us accountable for doing what we said we want to do right i mean obviously you help us with those goals because sure you know we come up with all cool ideas you know you get to execute but exactly but you know and then there's something that we can put out there you know whatever you put it on the website or whatever that here are the select board goals for 2024 um and maybe up and through the budget cycle maybe we could put those goals together like linley was saying during the budget cycle and we could hear some input not just numbers but maybe people could come and say when all those people talk about budget discussion we want you to do this you know they all come out you know yeah exactly and then we could then we could agree upon it upon it at budget time just like we would and then we could put it out there and say here are goals for the year yeah and then people can follow up with us to see if we're doing what we say we're gonna I like the idea of after town meeting but after town meeting means I can't fund it you know unless the chances are you know town meeting might not be able to fund it another point too shit but I can't if it was a great idea and the money's not there and I can't find a grant for it then you don't want that to be out there as a goal that you haven't achieved when you could have if you have money so you know at least that's my thinking but again like I said I have a this way my brain works so I don't you want me to just put this on so you can have a discussion about timeline again or what do you want to I mean what do we think about as a board does it sound more like what Linley was saying that this is something that we should add to our budget conversation of as we're thinking about numbers we're thinking about what what is it that we want to do with that money right not just the normal stuff but it's going to be difficult because I think it's a hundred thousand dollars and some of the goals are going to be two point five million dollars yes you're right so even if we have that great idea but it's two point five million it's not what happened you're not going to throw that into the budget right in one shot no what you're going to throw in is a match or chances are it's two point five million then it needs a study so maybe what your funding is yes you have a two point five million dollar goal but um and that's still your goal but for this year the portion of the goal you hope to achieve is study get a planning grant or a study or something to secure funding for the study or the preliminary engineering or something but you're right yeah we're not throwing that budget or it could be you know whatever a piece of the the new town garage or you know what that is so that we can kind of hold ourselves accountable what is there that we haven't paid much attention to right that is already part of our yeah we are already contracted with two rivers so we start that process in in september is our first meeting but yeah but that's a good point that's a or that may be how you one of you get your goals long-term you do already stated yeah you absolutely do that we might want to say okay for this coming year we're going to focus on x y z i also think it's yeah you can't have you know 15 goals either so you know right no but no i i think dave's i like dave's idea is right too about the money so anyways i just put it so it sounds like from what i'm hearing is when we tackle when we get into october and we start talking budgetary type things we'll start thinking about goals to match those something you can think about night when you can't sleep okay anything left on your report or did we oh so we did receive a grant for five thousand dollars for the remote community foundation um it basically passed through it the check came in and the check went out to the Bethel food shelf and they were tremendous help during the flood so um Cindy came and picked that money up uh phase two of the skate park has started um they were hoping to pour concrete today or Tuesday so i i don't i haven't been over so i'm not sure i don't think it actually started yet i was over there sat there they're not boring concrete they they haven't even dug anything in the ground oh okay there's like a little little excavator had done a little bit that's it all right so i did speak to um kyle cartwright he's the one overseeing that yeah so he he helped me to double you know check on what his budget was and this and that so um also talked about oscar he wanted to let you know that on the 10 town website on the console page there's a police slaughter so if you had a case number like the stuff he sent you you could enter it i explained to him that nobody had the time for that so that he wanted a little more detail he's on vacation this week so gotcha and then i have my it's the pdmg fema meeting tomorrow at 10 30 so so when are they actually starting the phase two water they are starting uh middle of september they are going to do highland yeah crystal drive gram i don't know which one they're gonna start on because they can get all of the crystal drive um you know pipe in the ground before the pump station is built so that's what they're you know going to do that's what their focus is i have been dealing with or which is probably fine because if they would have done it's fine they would have done sand hill this year it would have been a master it would have been a master so it's probably especially now that we're hauling people we're having people jeff towns and it's going to stage some of his material to town garage it's it's just as well just finished beating what's left and i did talk to chris bump because they don't have the bandwidth to deal with right now that temporary bridge on p vine and he's just like look we can give you a grand extension and and anything it's gonna hold up for whatever we put over it for traffic and he said he'd give me a structures grant um extension but i need the h&h study too from the culvert for it but i don't know and i'm just like are we part of he wants to go back to a box culvert because we could just dig that thing down and we could drop it in put it in because if we do the bridge then i gotta tear up p vine in both directions to get the height i i don't know i i can't get my brain around that right make a little you know six by six culvert would be ideal well i mean i don't know what the hydraulic pieces are there but i do but i can't remember it now but i don't have a lot of room to dig down there no if you dig down it's never gonna make its way out past the field and then he said to me the other day he's like well what about a maybe bridge i'm like i don't think the bridge is a long-term solution i think my head's gonna blow it i said we need to wait and and so i'm gonna wait see what that h&h study is and then how it affects that because i can kick that one back to the state and say now yeah we talked well that's it and and parent construction who i know to bear they were doing a project out on i don't know 125 maybe and they had that thing dialed in and in and out and the problem we have there is i don't know to height georgically connect sand hill yeah it's it's the elevation is too flat from the bottom of sand hill all the way out through the field to the river so in order to get that culvert in you'd have to drop it down because then you're gonna need so much for engineer yeah so it's you got 10 gallons water needs a four inch pipe yeah when it can go down but now it's going to go flat now you need a 18 inch pipe to care the 10 gallons of water because it's going to move very slowly exactly well the thing is that you'd have to basically ditch out all the way to the end of the farmer's which we can't but he can because he's he's all backed up with material yeah so i don't know if you go down any farther well that's what i'm talking about the bridge keeps you up a little bit what's going on with with this yeah you don't have the outlet taking care yeah the outlets not working and and we can't go out any we can't go out pass the right away but the farmer can and he has any well but now you know we had the age and age study done for the for that bridge but now it looks totally different so i don't know i i talked to chris bum the other day just said look you know what it's a challenging piece of it is i just said i can't deal with it right now i just i need to i have a reason why it's never been really touched it's really i mean i just kind of like okay but you know what i think that um god bless him i think gary slack had the best idea frankly that bridges on skids he yarned it out either once a year every couple years and he cleaned it all out with a back end you know what it's pretty found on now but yeah it was a good move so um i don't know there's honestly i just don't have the bandwidth to haul it over and pretty much what i told chris bum but he said he'd give me an extension so i just i don't know and maybe i'll feel better about it i said this this is not big enough no what's there is not oh no because what's there is as big as what we had before and i didn't have to use any physics or any thing by my name that just that's just my 50 years of being here says that yeah because that's just the temporary that we're renting for $15 a month from the state of vermont so i don't know you're gonna do you're gonna do the culvert above also right the culvert above is fema that bridge for that upgrade yes well to what i don't know yet that's the h and h study i'm waiting on so what i'm hoping to do is once i get that then i can then i'll send it back to the state with the h and h he did on the bridge prior and see what sort of miracles he's gonna make happen for me maybe he'll just build this to reach and i'll be like okay this is what we're gonna do um so i don't know yet and uh frank i just i don't know i can't sort it out but i will eventually but yeah that's it for the town managers report select board meeting minutes from the 14th anybody see anything that needs to be changed not just need a motion to approve them oh lennard's name is spelled wrong julie said she's right there's no r in there was that it all would have found it all right he said it was going to be he didn't put a sharpie on your screen all would be proud we'll fix two things then two name spellings anything else not just need a motion to approve them so second second all in favor all right with some other communications that were in there our favorite person down the road here wanted me to come and look at the road that she got this letter today uh-huh and she's upset about the fact that we aren't doing anything right and there's nothing that's it that's that's what i'm trying to yeah i should respond but i won't respond courtlessly of course yeah of course you do but it basically no yeah and and um i actually she she called today and today it was just a zoo um i had to do payroll and um it just was crazy day so i didn't get a chance to call it back it must be in a field process right no no no they would have to take us to court um so i think that just reaching out while you understand that she's not happy with the decision it is the decision that the select board made in conjunction with advice on their attorney and and i'm sorry that you upset that you go you want but this is where we're at and that that'll be my just my conversation whether when i give her call tomorrow okay thank you you know i mean i always feel bad okay what they want but we did what we said we would do which was we would seek advice of counsel and we did and then kind of going through the budget status oh yeah i'm sorry this was july i don't remember if i gave it to you guys or not i couldn't tell in a backpack and so i apologize if i didn't give it to you so based off of july i'm sorry i'm just going to assume that um so public works i mean typically in this time your public works budget runs under usually runs over in the winter time yep so i'm assuming that the extra that we're over right now is probably fema probably you do have an idea of what um two of eight do you have any idea what the um so like right now july would be eight percent right so oh okay i think it says eight point four one it does say eight point four one which usually yeah so some of this is seven at this point this is fema so you have any idea what what kind of dollar figure we're talking about i don't yet because i just started working on you have to do individual labor sheets by person by day by where they are and i just started those so what i will do when i come up with a number base and i had to do a um for you with the details we have to do a benefit calculation once i get those numbers set from fema then i'll make a journal entry to move this out of here into fund 89 which is the fema fund okay that way we know what we're going to get back for money what we need to pair 12.5 percent e-rap on but at this point i have not i'm just assuming there's probably a fair amount of it there is i would assume so because the flood happened on the 10th and i that would have been right around our first payroll in july because so yeah okay and then there was um there was some stuff that was allocated to the cruiser yeah $1,500 the cruiser you know what that was yes i think if that's the one i think it is um it's basically the only thing oh let me see where he's at pretty much the only cost let's hit that yeah let me just this cruiser $1,500 so it must be some maintenance of the cruiser yeah yeah tires or something yeah he had it was at the um it was at jmj auto i can't remember if you got tires or yeah i remember i did the uh payables one time there was something yeah yeah had some work i think it was tires but he did have some work done up there i'd have to look at it oh they're scary i just i don't know the tires in my truck for this year before maybe that was it yeah brakes and something i don't remember what else he had done i'd have to when you flip through the payables we would have had to look i don't remember and it could be more than one invoice too okay but i can look i don't know off the top of my head because he did have it in there and i i kind of had a similar what's in here yeah what's in here all right i had a similar question for the municipal office stuff because we're over there so i didn't know if same thing some of that is fema yeah absolutely some of that payable stuff will be fema related well the payroll stuff would be fema and then it no it's again it's small might um but we're already over 50 of our posted mailing so is that something we just because updaters that we buy um buy ahead we we buy ahead yeah when we do like tax bills and envelopes and stuff like that so we bought um so that okay i believe that's what that is we'll have to double check but i'll make a no check question mark um but we do for tax bills and things also too i'll have to make sure that when they're buying that they're allocating to water and sewer for their bills but see what it is make sure it's not a bill that should have been paid last year in this fiscal year and do we do we have any idea what we're thinking for legal i know we don't have a lot of bills that set that but we've been using them quite a bit lately yeah i don't know i just coded a couple so i don't know we'll see what the end of august looks like and then um some of that well no the legal bills for the water department and go to the go there so okay i don't know yeah i i don't have an idea i feel like i talked to him as much as anybody else well it just was that used to be it used to be like a five thousand a dollar budget item that then went to about sixty thousand one year after we had to fight off some suits so then it became a well forty thousand dollar item we had in a budget for a while and it slowly ticked down yeah yeah no that's true and the other things we've been dealing with have been via insurance so BLCT has been paying for that so this the attorney we bet he has been really bond stuff but he will see charges come because um we'll be doing another tax sale so you'll see some legal as we put them up for tax sale so for christus are you for ewp they there's the last sentence in the first paragraph okay it's a template i just i think needs to be edited okay they i printed the guy sent it to me michael point the last one was that last time for any additional information that you know last sentence first paragraph eroding steam banks needs to be armored due to protect buildings roads utilities you're right eroding stream banks need singular to be armored yep elect you would remove the word do yep see should have had you edit theirs they sent it out to everybody so we all got the same template so they're all going to get it back with the same grammatical error well in any way i just yeah thank you yeah i didn't write it off you need to change it just i'll let you know in a minute edit that's right all right do we have anything else next meeting on what the first meeting in september is i probably won't be present at all i'm going to be driving back from main and i don't think i'll have service if i do i'll try to call in and if i'm back in town in time i'll be there but i sort of doubt i will be i'm sorry lindley you're breaking up we didn't hear any of that but we'll see you at the next meeting okay yeah all right lindley out yeah out at next meeting okay i'm writing it down Monday so that when we all sit here two weeks and say where'd she say she was i remember today yeah i remember today yeah we'll be calling you over to say you were okay anything else if not state of motion to adjourn second all in favor all right have a good night everyone thanks lindley take care