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Thank you and enjoy the show I'm not positive that Jesus is God, but I'm throwing in with Jesus Rather than throwing in with you guys because you guys can't tell me how it all got here You guys don't we're working on it. There's a system when you get it. Then maybe I'll listen You disgust me. Oh Okay, here we go. Hello everyone and welcome to another episode of the pro Crassinators podcast. That's the PCP filling your brain with higher dimensional thoughts that you've never Been I am the best guy ever and we're joined today by Hippo Cray Admiral Akbar It's high-energy PCP today Ben St. Um, I'm Wicca now Yes Tom Oliver Jesus is the best guy ever Fuck Munchie, where's tiny hat? All right guys my strap for this game is to rush calendars I can pick up an early pantheon and then spans my caravans for my UA Hmm, and I didn't miss anyone, right? That's everyone. Yeah, that's everyone here All the five boys are here and we did it guys we cracked the life code Because today we're talking about the only question that matters Which video game is best video game? It's undertale just you know throwing that out there. I got a strong contest in here I like I like undertale Big fan. I like undertale personally I need to bait that it's undertale No, let's just keep going through the motion real the real question is who likes undertale the most That's really that's true. The best video game ever made is active life magic carnival for we Undertale The Mac the them active light Mac controller not included cannot find this anywhere. I looked on eBay. It's not there Okay, that's that's a good contender but I consider that sort of a subset of the greater undertale worship community and Really what I think we need to do is start dividing ourselves into subdivisions of undertale worship, you know Like there's the there's the lowly papyrus clan. There's there's the sands, you know devouts the sands devouts There's the sands orthodox. Yeah, indeed indeed We need to form these factions and begin a warring intensely with each other I think that's the but that's the best way to kind of burn out the undesirable elements of our community here Yeah, and just spiral into perfection have to prove themselves in a trial by fire Otherwise, how do we know I? Consider myself a hardcore toriothean. I live and breathe by the 95 and ties Yes, she's a thick boy without a doubt enough enough of this Yes, it's religion. It's religion guys. We're talking about religion such as undertale worship and and the other ones Yes, but I mean what is religion. Oh Excellent question. Let's consult. Let's consult the sacred text over on Urban Dictionary dot com Okay a religion an organized group of people with a common belief most religions Strongly stress ethics and morals along with setting guidelines Wait, wait a minute Disappointed wait, wait, I need to pause for a second This is something really important is that of religion is an organized group of people with a common set of beliefs with a high emphasis on ethics so game Gamergate is a religion Oh You know, you know, what's interesting about this I'm reading I've read every single definition of religion on Urban Dictionary not a single one of them is like a meme or a joke God and this this begins. This is one important element Yeah, this is this is good because I think this is indicative of how seriously people take religion that there isn't enough of like Even here on Urban fucking dictionary everybody's taken this way too fucking seriously and it needs to be ridiculed Roundly and Urban dictionary. I'm very disappointed. You know what? Let's go to knowyourmeme.com These guys, okay, they'll hook us up Um Wait, sorry, it's not you're fucking this up for me Nate. I'm sorry I'm sorry. He doesn't know how to maneuver this this new family. I think everyone pray means would actually have a know your meme page I God God God, okay What about God is a religious concept typically described as a superhuman spirit God is a core and often controversial topic of religious philosophical and political discussion Incredible Here's include advice God. I gave you free will bottom text. So use it exactly as I command you to real nice I'm reading the know your meme entry for a religion is is also like weirdly non-jokey Okay, listen to this about about religion religion is a spiritual and cultural system of ideas beliefs behaviors blah blah blah built out Holy traditions adherents of religion blah blah blah. They worship. This is not it. Where's the meme The reason that there's no jokes is because religion in itself is a joke I would like to say that this dear viewers will be like Probably the most circle jerky circular secular like a non Like just like this will just be all of us have the exact same opinion All of us have the exact same opinion because there's only one opinion to Derive from this entire time, you know, there is no discussion that can even take place at this point It's all been discussed. All right. There is only one position Well, I'm interested in defending religion on this just to be contrary to my own point of view But go again, what a shock playing devil's advocate on the religion episode. Oh because I have the devil Okay, the the thing that I was planning on on talking about just a little bit is the thing I like about religions is The the sick architecture and the reason religion is bad in my in my mind is because they don't build any new really cool Musks and churches and stuff. They just use the old ones and they don't have It's because they invented the internet and now they don't have they don't have the free time anymore Better things to do dude. Look at okay. The Muslims have it figured out Look at this sick-ass cube that all the Muslims in perfect circles all gathered and bowed to Okay, but seriously This is so sick like they've got it figured out. I mean if I was gonna make a religion I'd probably wanted to send her around a cube It's not the whole point this episode. We're gonna make a religion. We've already made a pyramid scheme Excellent idea. We've already dipped our toes into this concept. Dude, I could totally make that in Minecraft right now It'd be fucking easy. It'd be baby mode. Do it right now and we'll have it be the thumbnail for the episode That's a good idea. Well, I don't want to be a distracted But to be to be serious about it if I was going to make a religion I would sort of have it be I mean it's it's just like basically what I think anyway But it would be like some weird like okay human beings are weak and need things like to Gather around and like pretend is real even if it's not like they need a some sort of spiritual fulfillment in some way But like I would say like the worship of like Intelligence or like progress or like the human Spirit or success of people like human happiness. I mean those are the values that I have so I would just like send My religion around those but the problem is that religions are fundamentally based on faith Obviously, that is the core idea behind every single really not the best literally of all Wicca. Mm-hmm It's based around casting six spells and Are you a cyber Wiccan aka a digital pagan? I I mean, I I don't want to limit myself to just one box of Just one I want to be a fucking Wiccan pagan Christian Islamic fucking atheist and if I'm going to do that you can't fucking stop me Yeah, like it would be it would be fucked up It would just be dogmatic to say that you can't be all of those things at once big indeed and indeed. That's true You know, there is a real debate. I think to be had here between some of us because I generally Think oh, well, you know what we were saying before about like how religion does have sick architecture Christopher Hitchens old dead atheist who was pretty pretty cool Used to say that like the one thing so he would ask this question to people who like debated about religion because he's a big atheist guy Like what tell me one thing that you can get from religion that you can't get like from secular humanism or whatever And like the one answer he got that he thought was reasonable I mean at the time he said music like divinely a faith-inspired music He was like there is the feeling of like surrender to a higher power that is beyond comprehension is Is something that is basically fundamental to Religion and like that that that sort of feeling is hard to why can't you be in all of the infinite universe and all that? Can't be of Obama I Would get castrated for Obama if I was in the National Obama choir, I do that I'd sign myself well, there's there's a particular type of thing here that like you're in the hands of like an omnipotent creator That's like beyond That's fine at all. I you know I find some some things that like crazy people also can make pretty good Cool art, which is you know what's going on? Look at this channel Bringing up with like the the architecture is like obviously a lot of architecture back in the day was like cool and stuff Just like all the the religious stuff. It's not like religion isn't the reason we have cool buildings Catholicism is super aesthetic It's super I love I love the aesthetic Yeah, and it's it's not like I'm saying religion should exist so that maybe a church can be built. I'm just saying Some people besides besides the like obvious like yeah, it's not real It's nice to just a major sticking point to be sure like things about like like I don't know I just don't really mind too much about it Well, okay, here's a here's here's that I'm glad you said that because that ties into what I was gonna get to Here's where we can actually have a debate here Christopher Hitchens would go on to say beyond being an atheist. He would define himself as an anti-theist Which is that if there even was a God? He would be opposed to it because he finds the very idea morally reprehensible And I have a lot of agreement with that position. I think the idea that God is real Let's say in the in the Christmas ever Hitchens is L from death. No, no not not L near. He's near He's by the elf from As seen in elf Correct. Yes. Um, yeah, you know what? Well, I'm at I'll just quote the near line that I as a child This is this might have been the first time I really got like really fedora tippy just in my own life when I read in the final volume of Death note when near is about to capture a light. This is a quote that really inspired me I would put on all my Facebook bios and whatnot when I was a young lad It was even if a God exists and I had his teachings laid out before me I would still decide for myself what was right and what was wrong and I could not agree more with that. It's great It's great stuff. It's a great line. It's great line. Yeah What what direction are we take with this? Are we gonna talk about like our our our histories of religion like how we feel Our stuff that we know about and think about religion and then we're going to create our own religions each Okay, here here. I'm just gonna lay out this before like like spoiler alert This is the only discussion that can occur around religion. This will just be a spoiler for the podcast here I'm going to condense all the history of religious discussion into like a paragraph. I like God Well, he's not real. There's no evidence. Yeah, but I like him. Well, but you know, there's no evidence Yeah, I know it makes me feel comfort because I don't like the idea of they're not being God. Yeah I mean, that's true. It's nice to feel comfort, but it's fake there. It's done. Yeah. Yeah, that's it. All right. Bye That's it. I'm tired. What else could you say? Well, that's the thing. Is it okay? Here's these the antithesis thing is it in fact morally reprehensible to believe in God I would argue. Yes, I would argue. Yeah, just to believe in him. Yeah, yeah, that's right I just believe that he's real If you're a kid and you say you believe in God because your parents were told to I mean in that case It's different but to be a functioning adult who says you believe in God. I find morally reprehensible. I think all right Here's my point on that. I think Obviously people don't follow the books 100% like not every person who isn't they don't even read the reads. They don't they yeah They don't read like any adaptation. They don't cover everything in they they cherry-pick, you know And they they do whatever they do Mm-hmm. So the idea that the book is I mean it is like it does make bad things happen But I think I think if if someone just says yeah, I believe in God. I Don't think that in initially means anything. I just think it like it depends on what they do See, I disagree already with that fundamental position I think if you say that you believe in God at the very least at the very means you're an idiot But that's all like it means you're stuck in your ways and you won't change but like that doesn't mean anything Really, it does just depends on what you do it like with like it's a case-by-case sort of thing I think it informs at least I totally admit that there's it There's a huge variety of people here but if you believe in any God that means that you believe that there is a creator who made the world as it is and Like to to spend any amount of time thinking that there is a God therefore XYZ happens Like there is no logical way you can arrive at this conclusion that they're like there's any reason to do so But you I would say that that is a waste of your time and resources, but you can't conclude that there's not either But that's exactly the point though. Okay, let me just clarify real quick atheism Simply about some people to find it like some people are Identitarian which is always a bad thing to be and say I'm an atheist therefore I'm an atheist and this defines who I am Professed anti-theist is saying that identitarianism is bad I I'm not actually I would not never use a label on myself Identitarianism it just like to be to say that okay, I'm a Christian like that means I I feel like I belong to this group I am part of it and this applies to any group like I am even saying like I I'm male therefore like I'm into male stuff That is being which have already crushed and proved does not exist in a previous episode We've already discussed Yeah, very true If someone is an atheist therefore they go and join tons of like atheist organizations and they write another Facebook bio Yeah, if you do that, then you're you are becoming a an Identitarian you're using this label to define yourself and people will use that to judge you so don't do it instead be represented by your ideas But here's the point an atheist simply means one who lacks the belief in God And I want to just to be super clear because people fuck this up every time Lacking the belief meaning you have not been convinced that something is true That is what it means and therefore everyone should be defined as an atheist from birth until they have made a logical educated Argument to themselves and are convinced that God is real that is when you should then say okay. Now I just feel like I I just I just feel like it like For a lot of people they never think about it ever and it's just like an answer to a question. Do you believe yes? Uh, I got exactly the problem often Yeah, but I don't see too much of a problem in like a person who is just a normal person nothing about them is Is like unusual If I'll tell you exactly why it's a problem paired with like an atheist or someone who just grew up somewhere else I'll tell you exactly why it's a problem. It's because it allows the demagogues of society to say look at america 99 percent, you know Theists this is a god-fearing country. Therefore XYZ I do is justified in the name of god What a great attitude by the way that people use that unimarcably god of fear like like god like like like they'll use That's something you want people to be That's a positive By the way, I really want to say like oh like I want to say like, you know Oh, you can believe whatever you want to believe it and I am currently say that right now with my mouth That is how I feel like, you know, believe whatever you want However, I can't wrangle my empathy as well. I would like to because I just fucking hate him. I just hate him I'm sorry Believe what you want, but I it's it's stop Stop it real. He is a moral monster And I don't want to hear any of this bullshit about free will if I created a race of like super intelligent rats And set them in a cage and watch them tear each other apart because I gave them the gift of consciousness And you know, therefore evil could be created. I am responsible for that just as god would be well I mean I think it's kind of hypocritical sometimes when people say that like god is like a moral good despite all this because we could We extend ethical consideration to like animals that we Think are like intellectually lower than us and we can like make decisions on like a macro scale that like Animals don't have the consciousness to be aware of and like we didn't create them We just look on the situation and be like we should do this thing, you know Like we know it's an animal conservation and shit like that whatever so to say that like that is a moral imperative Like that's a moral good and then to be like Well god can just let us beat our own devices and that's like somehow also good. It seems like a contradictory Well, here's a different way of observation If you believe in god, you probably also believe in other foolish things like objective morality And if you believe in and if you believe in an objective morality, you have to you have to be like Well, okay, but what is that and some people might say that like god is the definition of what is good and there for anything That god wants is is a moral good like by definition Yeah, but as we already discussed our friend near dispatch that argument hand. Well, that was just like his opinion man That kind of like boils into what I was gonna say about religion Which I've already spoken about god and religion in depth in my like 45 minute Hyperbolic wine chamber episode, which everyone should listen to but um But my kind of thing with religion is like I think it's it's basically just a social shorthand Because like what I for an order for like a society to function competently You need to have a bunch of people who have a core set of foundational beliefs or ideas that they all agree on Because that's basically the foundation you build an entire social structure on top of you know People come together. They believe certain things or they have a certain kind of idea of what like good and bad is What like right and wrong is there's like a foundation, you know, we have like law and stuff like that And religion was like is a convenient way of being like these are the boundaries of society This is the boundaries of behavior, right? So if you have if you have a society That's all christian for example Everybody's operating under the same sort of like social and moral assumptions So you have social cohesion that way and the interesting thing with like America now is that because We're kind of like stepping back and allowing all this intermixing of stuff to happen Like we're opening society up to new ideas But at the same time society is also becoming more unstable because people can't agree on the essentials anymore We can't agree on the foundation when everybody has a slightly different Sporys supposition of what that foundation is whether that's religious whether that's social Anything like that. So I feel like it's very difficult to come to like a social consensus when you don't have everybody agreeing on those foundational principles And I think even especially like back in the day religion was a great way of being like You know where you know Roman Catholic and their Protestant and like both those societies have that same sort of Basic foundation that they've built everything on top of it was definitely a great hurting mechanism for to fucking hurt the Sheep idiots of the world. Yes. I there's no way to disagree with that We'll see that's the thing Depending on how you you treat it like I mean I am totally willing to admit It is possible that long term humanity would do better to like dogmatically believe in something like like christianity It is possible that just like general people having the belief in this religion will just make humanity do better like long term Whereas it's possible. We might just like fall into chaos But I mean if it gets results, you know, if it well, yeah, if it gets results But but here's the thing that I think guys don't bring up enough is that I have I have a I put a core Fundamental value on the idea of truth I totally admit that my one of the important things to me in this whole argument is truth I care about what's real and what's not real for many reasons including that which I think that it's the way to achieve the best results Long term, you know, and I admit that that like is kind of up for debate But I think that it will work out the best long term if we know all the facts such as there is no god Uh, like I all right that I I have like a big It's it's sort of like a maybe Oh, yeah, it's also that but like like like I think it may be a cultural divide Where like religion god. Yes. No, uh the ramifications of society Is not a big deal in the uk as much especially not growing up like I never met like a crazy religious person that would um, you know You know, it just feels Yeah, I know it can be like terrible But I just I like this idea In my head of like I believe people can be okay and that you can have a conversation with fucking anybody If you're nice to them and you don't talk about things that wouldn't rile them up So like I I try to treat people like individually and and to and to and to grasp and try and like discuss and think about The the social ramifications of an entire culture civilization or world based on like whether you should or shouldn't read a book It's just a bit too much for for my fucking like scope of my brain to like really comprehend Like it's not not not to comprehend but like It just doesn't seem like a good use of my time to think about whether it's a good idea on such a large scale I'd rather just the fact is the people are out there Feeling like it is a good use of their time and making it a big deal whether you want it to be or not I know I feel I feel the same way. Yeah, like like while I just said that I hate All of this I do you know I I have a lot of fucking you know religious family that I wouldn't like like I wouldn't say like Uh, you know crazy fucking snarky atheist bullshit to them because you know, I just like them as people And I don't feel the need to rile them up and you know, I'll treat them as an individual I just don't like this idea because like like because like I guess it was different in the uk But you know everyone's religious from where I am coming from You know, you know it was interesting and you know it was interesting over the holidays. Yeah Sorry, you know it was interesting over the holidays I went back home and was with my family for for Christmas and whatnot and Like there was a moment where I had a conversation with my dad. I I don't remember why but like I mean, why would you ever? Indeed the word atheist came up and like I was just like yeah blah blah, you know The god's not real etc. etc. And my dad I know is religious But then he looked at me surprised and said wait a minute. Are you an atheist and What was what was weird was that I thought that we had discussed this specifically before And I don't know if maybe he just was like, yeah, he's just feeling this way right now And and then I unfortunately I I just I just like I was like, oh, yeah. Oh, yeah big time Like the the unfortunate thing about that was I feel that in that moment He then began to project everything from the you know, 60 or so years of his life about what he had learned about Atheists and his like idea of what an atheist is like he then was like, oh now I need to project all this onto my son Yeah, where as you see Exactly, that's exactly my point is like some people are very judgmental when it comes to labels And so I just I just like I try not to do that to them. I try not to do that to anyone Like I agree. That's the way to do it and they say I'm very religious I'm like, oh, well, I'm not and they go off on me and then they're a piece of shit But I'm not gonna go away saying I hate christians now like I don't think any of us would be like if someone were to say They are a christian we would like like fucking like block them and run away screaming Yeah, but like it's the same it's the same thing on just a larger scale to say most of them I like this because I've met like vickers and stuff who are just normal nice people who like the community and they just They are good when they're not raping boys I don't have any opinions on christians as a whole. I I have it on christianity and just religion I don't know anything about christians as a whole. That's why that's why I was I was careful to say I'm not like anti I I actually am christian But I I'm anti christian because I believe that I have a case to make that the ideas of christianity are Destructive like it's not that I think every christian is a bad person or any religious person Of course not and like somebody like sam harris likes to bring up for like non destructive religions like jainism For example jainism being this religion where like violence is like the ultimate taboo So these guys go around in like monasteries and they wear masks over their mouth So that they don't accidentally accidentally inhale a bug and kill it because that would be a a grave sin And you know things of this nature I find jainists pretty morally reprehensible too because of all the fucking time they're wasting caring about shitty bugs that don't So, you know, fuck them. Fuck them I agree. Oh, I'm totally with you. It's it's like what's the point like sure. You're not hurting anything But what's the point? Who cares about a bunch of bugs? I just hear I just hear that the same sort of like Zealotry in anti-religion that there is in religion and I know that there's like it's funny how Atheism has become a religion almost. Yeah I'm not saying that I know that there are objectively good things about atheism And and stuff or and all that like that like I'm not arguing that religion should ever Like if I if I was to say to someone I wouldn't recommend any of them to anybody but I just I think to solve problems in society instead of telling people To stop like doing their thing that gets them really riled up and angry It's to to control the other things like money like to make incentives aside from religion That would like like, you know in the uk So many people don't go to church But of course it used to be a very religious place and that's because of yes Like things that just to distract them like technology and things that they nobody cares anymore Like the school system the eighth bit of mockery the whole fucking thing by making himself head of the church And then it was just like well, I guess this is a joke now. So whatever we'll just fucking Yeah, I mean, I don't know whether that's it but like it's Religion will cannon does become pacified in america. It's kind of kind of It's kind of big. Yeah, until I don't know how it's gonna change but like There's ways to go about changing the world in the way you want without attacking groups of people who are very prone to get angry and mad and violent You know what? I'm really glad you brought this up because I want to dismantle this argument that I personally am attacking anyone Who the fuck am I attacking by making an argument that your god is fake and you're a fucking idiot for believing in it? No, it's not attacking. It's just like common sense. These people they are very But it's not to them. They don't know shit. They don't they believe in god. They're so stupid That's that's the whole point. You can't you can't approach them so undelicately if you want to change their minds about stuff Okay, okay, you know, there's this uh, sam harris talks to this guy at majid Nawaz They've done a bunch of work together and and majid is a former islamic extremists Who I you know a lot of like left-wing people think that he's like a They call him a fucking coon and shit like a porch monkey because he like is trying to yeah I mean they they really hate this guy because he heard the dude. I've heard of the term coconut I've heard that at pop. Oh, okay. That makes sense when when they're brown on the outside What on the inside? I'm just like, oh my god, very hairy on the outside. Yeah, you know makes sense. Um Makes sense. It makes sense. But uh, uh, so like these guys work to you know, sam is a is an atheist Who thinks that there's like problems with the fundamental beliefs of islam and majid is a former islamic extremists who himself like Advocated for like the destruction of western society as a as a young man But now is like well, okay, no that actually is ridiculous and he's basically an atheist But he calls himself like a cultural muslim at this point. Um, and like like I totally agree if if I I want For example, it's it's not specific to them. But for example, I'd like the muslims Uh, the muslim community to produce just less terrorists We can all agree that there are some terrorists that come out of islam just like they do from christianity The scale might be different, but it happens and I would like there to be less And I think one effective means to do so would be to talk to the leaders of that religion and have them You know say that like yeah, you know This is some bullshit what we've been talking about like kill the westerners and you know The women are horrors because they don't cover up and stuff That's the sort of change in attitude I would like and I would like that to be a first step towards everybody realizing god's not real our religion's bullshit We're all people. Let's just be friends together. That's what I want. That's what I want So I think you're right gib. I think you're right. I don't disagree Yeah, I I think that like most of this podcast at least to me is all Basically 20 years old It's none of none of um, it's like 700 thousand years Like I I feel like we're Like like, you know, it's been said that the pcp is turning into just fucking, you know Mansplain where we talk about shit that we don't understand and you know, none of us are theologists here But like this is a christian man I like I'm fucking confirmed. We're we're just fucking work like like again There is no other conclusion to come to from this Like like like like we all like none of us like like hippo. I agree with you We I think we all agree with you No one no one hates christians. This is all just nothing. This is all nothing. We've been said nothing this entire podcast You guys need to stop you should stop apologizing for your for your opinion here that religion's ridiculous I think it's counterproductive to like everyone's going around these days saying like, oh, it's so tired to say that god's not real Let's just like lay off it for a while. Uh, no never never even one That is you and everybody else out there is all like, oh, it's so uncool to say that god's not real anymore. No, it's cool It's still cool. It will always be cool I'm still cool. I'm not I'm no I'm not saying that we shouldn't have this discussion I'm just saying like This is not a commentary on the actual topics of the discussion It's of the discussion itself and just like like my my conclusion to bring with this is just that okay Like like confirmed god is uh wrong. We come to all this I don't think the pcp has ever been about like making a change with the topics we talk about which is Fucking around we're circle jerky. Now. Let me make a case real quick for why you should literally murder every christian You see on the street. Okay. Here's here's what we got. Here's what we got because they believe in god They're willing to uh kill kill the gays. Uh, they'll kill you if you uh commit adultery or anything Like we are it is our it is our moral responsibility to kill every christian you see at any given time america So, uh, wake the fuck up get that axe out get it nice and sharp and get to work on the streets I want to see mass murder by tomorrow Nate says kill the infidel who believes in god Yeah, exactly Uh, do do any of us Have any lingering thoughts about god because I mean Well, I better how many of us grew up religious or or at least in a really hard core hard core religious Pretty moderately religious like we would go to church and stuff But that was like the extent of it and it was a death note and it all changed We should like first communion and we got confirmed at our church and stuff But like yeah, I think our church was just real like pretty liberal about it And like I didn't even get the sense that the church even cared that much Because heroic atheists such as myself have been beating down christianity for generation upon generation leaving it the hollow Husk that it is now and we need to do the same to all religions Especially janus. I will kill every janus that's out there for being unproductive My family is not religious, but I did go to a primary school Which had a church attached to it called all saints school Primary school and um every friday. I think we would go in there because we didn't go to school on Sundays or whatever we would go in there and have like um We have assembly every morning in the normal hall and then on the friday We would go into the church and we would sing hymns and stuff Um, but I never got this sense of like any of this was supposed to be taken as real And and even we had like re we would have like religious education classes every so often talking about We would talk about well, it's not like the christian stuff. It's just like religion in general like today We're gonna learn about okay. Yeah Today, we're gonna learn about Sikhism and stuff and then one day the like a couple times a year the vicar From the church who is like a really tall. He's like seven foot and he had a big old white beard He's basically father chris. He's so fucking cool. Yeah, and everyone loved him He was like like a paragon of the local community And he would like read us things from the bible and tell stories about it Like he wouldn't just read it. He would like tell a story and it's like, dude. This is cool That's the sd man. I I I just never got the the sense that it was real and then I asked my dad Like is that stuff real and he says no and I was like, oh So that's that's my religious upbringing. There you go. I'm sick It's just a bunch of cool hymns and fun shit and a cool church that I love I I I have a weird relationship with god because well, I was in a I have a personal relationship with god I was in a religious family, but like I I can't remember a time where I thought god was real Even though I went to church and like extensively. I just I just don't even remember a time thinking that my relationship Like like like like I was never into god But at this point my relationship with god is basically the same sort of relationship I had with my kids after my wife divorced me after finding her in bed with another woman Non-existent. I I don't have any lingering thoughts about that even though like I went to fucking like I was a church boy I I went to awana and shit. I just I just hate it so much I can't even remember if there was any a time where I believed any percent Ever I remember being like the much he does the zero percent run on his religious speed running. Yeah, okay Okay, I remember being like 14 or so and being in the shower one day and just being like wait a minute I don't think I really believe all this god stuff. Wait a minute touching my willy feels so good. It can't be wrong. There's just no way This is a sin. It was pretty it was pretty sick Did did any of you go to awana by the way? Do you any of you know what that is awana? Awana means family. I saw that movie in theaters. It was okay. Yeah Awana, I don't know what you mean. Well here if it's all right I would like to explain my experience with awana if that's all right if I could just have the floor here for a second Okay Awana was this pro this I guess I'll call it a program That my mother enrolled me in to try and reinvigorate my need to go to church Which was never there in the first place But she was just desperately trying to convert me to become a christian at this point But she could tell that the light was fading for my eyes and my eyes were rolling back my fucking skull And I was getting and I was getting an aversion to crucifixes and the like. Uh, I am a fucking ghoul Anyway, so it's at this it was this Like kind of late at night. Like like seven I keep my like the age group for this is I'm like Eight or ten or I'm probably around eight anyway at seven there would be a church You know in in in my town and I would go there at like every Wednesday at seven And here's I'm gonna break awana into three parts the running around in the circles part The killing part and then the scary part Uh, the the first part was my favorite because it involved there is a big circle out in the uh, like field A lawn of the church just this big circle and there you would play games to warm yourself up into the god loving Spirit and then the god fearing spirit. Sorry. Sorry, you know to get those little kids fucking fearing for their fucking lives With fire and brimstone if they ever You know betray god So basically I would just run around in circles non-stop even when they told me stop I wouldn't stop because I just loved it so much There was free orange juice and it was great and every single time I got I got lured into a false sense of security Because I just loved orange juice and running around in circles so much that I almost forgot the killing part So it's like after like like like like 20 minutes of me running around in circles They would like all right guys It's time to learn them at the bible and they would like round us up like like fucking like like Break us off into groups so we're easily to manipulate and like overpower And they would lead us into like this big like fucking like, uh, I guess I would call it like a library part And they would just like force us for like two hours to just like like do like school assignments and essays on the bible It was a fucking nightmare and everything was dimly lit with candles. There were no actual lights There were only candles because I guess that's how they did it back in the day It was fucking terrifying and awful and I had to write essays about the bible Which at this point I already knew was like I like no no, thank you and after that that wasn't even it They forced us to go to fucking like like like a church, you know Like into the real church part and just like stare at this fucking priest give like a real ass sermon to these fucking like Like like field sea of children who don't even like know some of the words he's saying That's what was one of those like for like every week for like five fucking hours my entire life And I never it never got to hold me. I'm I'm so happy it didn't even though my fondest memories of kid are still running around in circles And I still do that That's that that sounds rough, buddy Um, I I also want to you know, the reason that I suggested we do religion It's because I wanted to come clean guys I I I I I need to confess because I am in fact a a a secret religious person Uh more than anyone in the world see, okay The reason I have a problem is because I was deeply embarrassed by my own religious beliefs as a child So now I feel the need to destroy the temple uh that these were founded on So that's what this has all been about my whole life. So when I was a kid We were in sunday school and one fateful day the teacher of the sunday school this lady who ever get the name of Started telling us about like, okay guys Real real shit my my little negro's uh, what happens when you're in a situation where someone is using the word god Or swearing and you as a good christian it makes you uncomfortable What the fuck do you do and I was like, I mean, so this was all new to me that like Any of this would be a problem Probably like 12 or 13 or so and and was this like a quiz was this like a pop quiz No, this was just a discussion in our little class about like like she's just like, okay real situation guys Someone's using god's name in vain. What the fuck do you do? Uh, that's that's what this was presented as and so I began to reflect Uh, god, I don't know what to do when the infidel begins speaking the lord's name What would please tell me so it was at this point that she's like, okay guys, here's what happens You calmly politely go up to this person and say Excuse me It makes me very uncomfortable that you are using the lord's name in vain And I would appreciate it if you would stop doing that And she would say and do the exact same thing when they're swearing you go up to them and say, excuse me I am a christian and that kind of language is deeply offensive to me Please cease and desist this activity at once because you're making me uncomfortable Okay, this was the argument presented and this blew me the fuck away. I was like, this is it This is the answer I've been looking for. Uh, this is what I'm going to be This gives me power over my peers. I can go lambast them for for for You know all their minor infractions against god and man aka me Uh, so here I go from this point on I began a year-long crusade Against those around me in school and otherwise who would use the word god in any situation And uh, who would just swear to the even the slightest degree I I I became that kid in quotes that kid in in fucking parentheses that kid I remember times in your childhood when you would just never swear I remember a years long period where you would never ever swear I remember it as just like I'm sure that went on but there was a distinct year where I became a Zealot of telling people to not swear nor use the name god at in any context in any context You must say the lord or you know, just be polite about it. Just you got to say god in like the right context So I just became I became a fucking crusader. I became I started my own one-man crusade and uh, just Just looking back on it. It's so humiliating to me that I did that that I swore I would destroy the temple That indoctrinated me into this belief. So that's that's the real reason why I I you see god is real I just want to confirm for everybody god is real, but I am mad at him. That's why I'm an atheist That's why I That's that's this is real. There you go. Okay. So that's that's my story. I'm sticking to it Do you have a definitive moment when you realized you were not religious? Do you have like a like a moment? I been shared his I actually I think what made me Like what would give said way before about like how people just don't think about it What what I remember is that like, okay dirt when I was 16 and I was getting confirmed Um, you know, which is like when you go through the confirmation like the pros of like becoming a real christian or whatever Um, you have to like you get hate. Yeah, like for us. It was like in our congregational church You like you have a mentor and you're like meet with them and you talk with them Beat him in hand to hand calm and so you can it's exact christian. Yeah, I'll always I'll always remember I forget the name of the guy, uh, but he called me. He said he liked me. Yeah, bro. Mr. Waterman Yeah, it was mr. Waterman. Yeah, I got he was my like confirmation mentor, too Yeah, he was cool. He was all right. I liked him a lot. Um, but Uh at the during the process of like going through this thing of like, okay, let's actually think about god Like what is he like? Why do I believe in him? Because I faced those questions. I realized wait a minute There like is no reason to believe any of this And then I read death note and I was like, well It's over. It's over question answered Uh, so it was it was like during it was when christianity was put to the test in my life That's when I realized like, okay, there actually is really no reason to like believe any of this boy They really they really didn't get the outcome. They were looking for there. Did they Indeed and no, we were uh, we were a congregationalist protestant. Whatever that means Which whenever I asked mom and dad, what does it mean that we're congregationalists? Like what is that? They would tell me but they would only explain it in so far as to explain how we were not catholic I don't think that's what it is. I don't think they understood what congregationalism actually was they just Knew they wanted it to be a protestant church and this was the one in our town the problem with uh, uh, uh, uh, Protestantism and congregationalism and you know, all these other protestant subdivisions is that their whole problem is that they They just they they believe that catholicism is true. They just hate it. They just don't like it. They know it's real They know it's real, but they're mad at it I'm doing They fucking wanted to get divorced That's yeah, I mean that that already the splintering of christianity because it does not make sense Like across the board began long ago with the initial fracturing between You know catholicism and prosentism and I'm sure long before that as well So hey guys, maybe you shouldn't be allowing people to buy their way out of going to hell. Yeah, fuck the church. Oh, no, what have I done? See, that's why if it would worse I'm an atheist now But if I ever Realized if I change my ways and I'm like shit. I fucked up I was I was roman catholic so I can just go in there throw some 20s at the priest and I'm Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's all good. It is such an absurd notion I honestly think a lot of these people like just thought it was like an obvious joke Like kind of like flat earthers today Like it's it's either people who are just really dumb and not critically thinking or Like they like they just think it's a joke that's just gotten out of control And like I think so many religious people are just the butt of a big joke going on in their face And I'm like guys, this is embarrassing. Please just like think about this What do you like you're being humiliated publicly by me right now? I feel like this has become like the christianity podcast. Do you have any like thoughts on other religions? I kill the other religions. I don't I think they're all I wouldn't treat any religion different than the other when I say christianity. I just mean any religion Okay, because I because I um, it's just easy to say any religion Okay, you know, you know, it's a cool religion in the sense that it really isn't a religion at all is long buddhism Oh, I have something to say about buddhism. Sorry, but you go ahead buddhism's like a fake religion buddhism Like pretends to be a religion. Okay. I mean I get that there's like different sects of it And like probably some buddhists believe different things and some of them are more like religious about it But like the version that I read about it was literally just like being a buddhist just means like Don't let yourself get sad about the things that make you sad. And that's like the entire fucking thing I don't yeah, I don't know anything about it But all I can tell from like the imagery of the fat guy is the one fat guy was really happy And some other people were like, oh, I want to be like that. I want to be happy He was really happy after a period of being really sad my first girlfriend converted to buddhism while we were dating I don't see why you would need to convert to buddhism because like I say It's not a real word. Just just start they she started adopting the principles. I suppose it's probably more accurate Okay, yeah, well, yeah There was a while where I was uncomfortable calling myself an atheist and I was just like no like I'm just not into christianity I I'm into you know god and stuff Because sure and and and by the way a lot of people go through that In case you think that was contradictory what I was saying earlier This this is in complete regard to how I presented myself to my family So I wasn't going to say to my mom. Oh, I'm an atheist. I was going to say no no no I'm just I'm just a buddhist. I'm just a buddhist and she was like, oh, yeah, what are they believing? I was like, uh, you know buddha I love, um Hindu temples those are like some of the coolest fucking places. I've never been to one I I think I'd be I want I went to one there was we had like, um In primary school still because it's all saints church. We have a few like religious Um expedition uh, we uh, what do you call them school trips trips? Yeah. Yeah, we went we went to see a synagogue I think we went to a mosque at some point. Oh, okay and and um a fucking hindu temple in london There's like a one where you can be a hindu and it's and it's fucking it was so beautiful. It was like White marble all the way around and it's so elaborate like to contrast the non white people Yeah, they love it hindu's uh hindu's a pretty aesthetic religion too. I'm quite fond of that fucking elephant man god like that Vishnu, I think Okay, nash, you're right. You're right. You're right. Um, okay. Well, this is all cool and all but my favorite religion I'm just gonna say in terms of aesthetic. I know I'm gonna sound like a wee but it's definitely shinto shinto is sick Shinto looks awesome unacceptable What do you come on the red though those red things that their temples are beautiful and it's an oh my favorite anime Oh my god. Plus. It looks nice. Let's not forget that the pcp guy is canonically a shinto god Let's not forget that. I do not understand what the fuck shintoism is. I guess it's about like there are spirits There are like gods in spirit in nature and you have to like be cool with them by washing your hands a lot correct That's how I understand it It's about the nut boys in the nut forest playing some b-ball a.k.a. Bushido ball Well, yeah, I mean it's like ben said it's like I like native americans just like believe that all things have a spirit I'm not well versed in but like which is which is which is similar to shinto But I know in shinto they think that there are like real like like princess mononoke is a pretty deep like obviously It's like cartoon eyes, but like it's a fairly decent summary Like there's spirits that like live in like forests and stuff and like protect them and by like appealing to those spirits Uh, you can you know like get favorable outcomes and stuff I mean, I think that's the idea But it looks so cool the redness just the color red being like the shinto color is sick It's so cool Do you really like the color black shinto aesthetic of like the really big sparkly eyes and like colorful hair and small mouths and stuff Yeah, yeah cloud was just the biggest shinto propagandist of all time when he blew up the fucking mako reactors Fuck materialism, dude. I saw this. Uh, I was watching this tv show Which is like, well, what the fuck it's called death note. It had a lot of interesting things It was uh, it was this guy who usually does like a gardening show about like You should prune these bushes over the winter months because blah blah blah. It's like this old like english guy I was like, oh And he went he was going across like, um middle east Places and palaces to to look at the the gardens of like Kings and muslim temples and palaces that were built around oasis Because that's like a real such an important thing in a desert obviously is water And if you have water The the way you show your wealth and stuff is to plant trees and bushes and and plants and it's like And it was looking around all these muslim things. I'm like It's pretty good. I like islam now I want I want to know more about this fucking cool desert aesthetic because I've known about like the christian stuff and the Hindu stuff for a while But like I want I want to go to like a big old musk and I want to look at all the cool like mosaic stuff that they have I I I completely agree when I got super into it islamic and and also unrelated, uh russian architecture for like Five years of my life and I would just draw fucking mosques in my sketchbook day in day out because I just thought that like How do you even describe it the like the weird onion shaped domes on the top buildings? Yeah, the coolest fucking thing in the entire world. I just thought they were the best I think Aladdin did more for like positive muslim vibes than like anything in history at least in the west at least the west Why don't you be more like uh, uh fucking Aladdin ices? Come on Where's your flying carpets? Oh Why don't a lot give you some fucking magic carpet? That's all nice and all you fucking babies, but here's the big boy answer to what's the best religion the ass tech religion Because it has a god You've seen made dragon 2 I love That character is she's so hot dude. Yes Oh, no Yeah, Aztecs and Mayans they they they I love old buildings. Why don't people build cool shit anymore? Where's all the rocks because we stop leaving? Oh, you're okay to completely rob the fun from this discussion. Uh, okay Let's not forget that like Aztecs did perform human sacrifice and they should be lambasted I we know that it's sick and looks cool, but it is morally Tell me Wait, wait, wait, wait. No, you come on. Nate. You are just But every time they sacrifice somebody they were killing someone who believed in god Well, you're not wrong. There are less people who believed in god as a result of their actions Have you guys seen the road to eldorada by any chance you probably have yeah, the greatest film ever made Nate breaking out the hardcore killing people is bad. Oh, fuck. Yeah. Thanks, Nate for coming to the discussion There's this thing we do where we like ignore the bad things about stuff and just talk about how sick and cool It is and we shouldn't do that Because I say that Aztecs killing people is the second fuck which we all agree that is people are going to be like Oh All I'm saying is there's a lot of murder going on in these video games Immediately The greatest messo american invention of all time video games What was what was uh, uh human sacrifice other than an irl video game? I ask you The sacrifice in the heart was literally a cheat code was literally a cheat code to get a good harvest They all they're all wearing oculus riffs during that was their ceremonial headdress I mean, what is what is the afterlife? But a giant video game that we're all implored to um to buy like season passes to to that We're all implored to pre-order to make sure we get all the sweet loot. Yeah Yeah, you're not wrong. It's funny because it's actually true All right guys, I'm gonna queue up for competitive. He says lying down the sacrificial bed ready to fucking die Oh, but the reason I fucking brought up road to eldorado is because the one thing that is sick as fuck Uh, and I think they did this in uh like in one piece as well Oh, well the thick bitches are good, but what's better is that like I really like this practice They have when they do the sacrifice. I don't know if every culture did it If I know it was true in some places that like if you were chosen as a human sacrifice You got to live like the next year as like a prince and you would just be like You would be like the guy who's like the man or the woman or whatever Like you would be like an honored guest in the civilization You would be like rich and all your needs would be taken care of everyone would fucking love you You'd be sick as fuck. I'm sure everyone would want to fuck you, you know in that year You were like literally made a prince and then after the year of all this good shit Then you were sacrificed like so like it's like they honored you and they like made it worth your while Sort of because like a lot of people would never get this. I read the hunger games. That is sick I read the hunger games. I know what that's all about Oh, yeah, that's right. That's right. I know I know your district gets fed for the year Yeah, yeah, that's cool. That's cool Fucking Nadine is fucking Shintoism Jesus Christ The Spanish Inquisition's way cooler than Shinto And they're also red Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah guys my favorite religion the Spanish Inquisition. Yeah, it's like that's not a real good religion It's not a religion. You know what? It was so aesthetic. Everyone wore red. Um They all wore red. They all are I worship I worship the Spanish Inquisition also the holocaust, you know these are Just I worship human tragedies specifically like each of them individually Oh, it's like it's like I'm playing fates day night over here and all of my all of my all of my avatars are Our specific tragedies that happen, you know human sacrifice and the Aztec civilization the holocaust Uh, you know bronies. These are all individual, you know We have even the best part of the Aztecs is that when they when they when they kill an anime unit They get free bonus Culture points. Yeah That is good. They can get a free social policy Every time they kill a fucking anime unit. That's great. That's incredible fucking top to your threat I fucking love Eagle Warriors. Those are the best units in the game. They literally are good for scouting Dude, I love dark Templars. You can't even see them when they're out there. It's sick. It's fucking ridiculous Yes, you built better build a fucking observer asshole Guys, why are we talking about this game when we all know Undertale is better He's right. He's right. I'm just gonna say uh, they literally gave the pope a copy of Undertale because it's the most important in that present a made in video game Fucking matpat gave him a steam key to for Undertale Did didn't after the pope was given undertale didn't he like write like a blog post or however They do in the catholic church about how like video games are evil didn't Didn't that happen? I'm pretty sure that's real. No fucking way. No because he didn't like the undying goat without I told you it was a forced character pairing. That doesn't make sense It says the pope in land Yeah, that's what he was saying He throws his copy of Undertale across the the the chapel Oh, we haven't talked about the best part of fucking religion Which is in the simpsons game for xbox 360 the ending fucking final level Is you go and meet god and the final bow is you have to this is completely removed from the rest of the gameplay McCanks the entire game you have to play ddr With the xbox 360 controller d-pad and it never works. Is it so unresponsive? So I died like 70 fucking times in that final level with god where I had to beat him at plain rocky like a hurricane It was the hardest video game of my entire life, but I fucking hate it. That's why god is real This is that is excellent. It just reminds me At the end of dragon guard three like you kind of like it actually it's like it's an action rpg game But at the very end like the final battle where you are a dragon trying to slay like The combined unity of like all the gods of the world you live in Yeah, you slay queen and you literally slay these queens these these these yas queens these presidents Who shattered the glass ceiling and now you're you're here fixing it patching that motherfucker up You are a proud male dragon migthau who plays ddr to kill them. That's how you win the game That is the final battle. It's a sick ddr match that Is incredibly difficult and I did it and it was it was so sick. It was great. Good game fun game I've got a question. I've got a question about video games What is your favorite fake video game religion that you've seen in a game? Good question You know what I really love I love It's kind of a cop out but in final fantasy tactics. There is uh, it's called the the church of zoltana I believe that it's basically a 100 percent parallel four of the catholic church But in that vein it has sick demons. It has summons. It's got a bunch of evil stuff It's just as corrupt and manipulative as the catholic church was like throughout You know medieval times and whatnot and it's it keeps the sick catholic aesthetic So I'm gonna say that one My favorite religion is the one laid out in the world ends with you because after you die You get to be a hip japanese teenager and you get to hang out in the trendiest part of tokyo That's pretty sick If only the ultimate reward the ultimate reward I don't want to have eternal salvation. I just want to be a hip trendy hipster and hang out in the coolest clubs in tokyo Why would that why would anyone want anything else ben just I don't know if you've heard about this Have you heard they're making a remastered version of the world ends with you for nintendo switch? Are you aware of this? No, it's got new shit. It's got a new character. Um, it's gonna be something. All right, just throw that out there Okay, that's pretty cool. Every single best guy ever video sponsored by nintendo everyone No, I'm good. I am good. Okay. Go on munchie. What's your favorite religion in video game? I I don't play video games I know why Games are a fucking cancer that I could never slog through I hate fucking csgo is way better use of your time tf2 Hat swap simulator sounds like a ball Be because because those games you can play with other people Which is the only reason I would even wake up the morning to be with other people I don't want to fucking play like an rpg. I don't care about like final fantasy. No, no Okay, you know what I take it back the best religion in any video game is the one that the main character of hatred Not important practices where he's out there murdering everyone. Uh, that's mine. That is what I believe and do Well, I think I think uh The best religion in video games is the juggalo religion from homestuck Oh, no Not home It's funny and it makes me laugh That's all I don't actually Video game Let's let's cut to the fucking chase. Let's finally get this actual topic started at we've been procrastinating for an hour and three minutes Okay, I'm gonna get to the real me and both of this topic spirit science and how it reveals the entirety of the human history And how to live your life to the fullest extent. My murkaba is fucking shining right now. It's glowing. Okay, go When I whenever someone like like mentions lamuria my fucking chakras gets so fucking Diced into another plane and and and I rip a hole in fucking spacetime So all of the lower dimensional spirits just spew out from my fucking body and have it all the souls of the people around me Dude, you're being so you're being so martian right now. You're being so male It's fucking blowing my mind. We were so right brained. We just couldn't fucking activate our chakras Atlanteans, Atlanteans are on suicide watch right now Dude, dude, literally like the like the reason hitler killed all those just because he knew they were aliens And he watched the fucking history channel. He knew dude. He knew he had to get rid of these unearthly beings Look, I'm not gonna say hitler did everything right, but that was one thing he did do right It had to be done. The aliens had to be excised. Okay Uh on the actual real point about spirit science. Uh, my mom literally believes that Oh, no, oh, no, this is the reason I came on the podcast As as identified by the fact that on the pcp sign up like the spreadsheet thing we have Uh, it just says my mom where my name. Yes, that's uh my mom for the past like Two years at this point whenever I enter the car with her She'll have an audiobook plane and without fail. It's always about the law of attraction Nothing else just the law of attraction like like gravity. Is that what that is? No, Nate. No, do not know about the law of attraction Please explain it to me. Oh my god. I'm a child. Prepare to get school You need you need to lecture us on the spirits The spirit science stuff because I I still I I couldn't get through those videos. There's so many of them Believe me hippo. I'll give you and everyone else a lecture on spirit science later Excellent. Anyway, uh, the law of attraction is It's kind of hard to put into words without sound making it sound fucking retarded because it is retarded, but imagine Imagine that you really want, uh, you you really want a cool hat Uh, then if you just think with all of your might, I really like like I will get a really cool hat I will manifest a really cool hat. It will be great. There's no way this can't happen That's the ship from the secret. That's the secret, right? Yeah The universe will hear your call and give you a really cool hat. No questions asked. Why do people believe the shit? What is happening? You know, you know what the thing about that is is that that can kind of that can kind of like Disguise itself as a real thing because if someone wants to challenge it on a metaphysical level You can backpedal and be like, oh, well, no, no, you see because if you're thinking about it You're more likely to take actions that will lead to it. That's right. It's all just like But that's not really what it is. Like that's that's not what the real argument for this law of attraction is They're arguing that your thoughts have some sort of psychic resonance throughout the universe that when they say like Obviously do you need to like get to higher vibrations or whatever? I'm like, what the fuck is why is there even a fucking vibration? What we're doing is we're we're channeling our fucking kundalini. So it's snake ton hiss is really I gotta So the high dimensional beings will hear our call and actual project a fucking a manifestation of whatever object or desire We want munchie. I gotta our dimension I got a kind of lingus delini for you right here, my friend. All right. Listen. Listen. Listen When I hear someone say they believe in god, like I'm not happy about it, but I'm like, okay, you know I'll forgive you. Yeah But like when I hear someone just like and you they always do it like apologetically and on the side They're like, yeah When I hear that shit my fucking ears perk up and my soul goes full male martian I go full You perform the satan experiment they're the lucifer I just I I I say to them what did you just say to me my friend? Because they never want to defend this lord's name in vain It brings me right back to those On the crusader. Oh my god, that sort of reminds me like that's the way I Think and treat people who say yeah, I mean I believe in ghosts Like it's never a religion thing is always something like ghosts Ghosts are cool But it's not about cool. It's about real No No, well, okay. Okay. Okay. If someone was like I believe in ghosts I would be like man one idiot, but then I would also on the same hand be like, dude I know ghosts are so fucking sick. Let's compare our ghost notes I would just Okay, but like when someone like the whole god thing like the the entire world is engulfed by belief in god So like I get it like this person Yeah, to some degree you're not wrong. So like the world is religious I'm working to fight against it every fucking day. I but I get it. I get it But when I hear someone bring up like, oh, yeah, you know My crystals with me. Just you know, they had to actively seek that out and subject themselves Like it is it just tells me they're on a next level. They're on the next level. Maybe I need those crystals, Nate Maybe some people need their maybe some people find comfort Yeah, these people just keep your jail crystals at home people where I keep mine I don't bring them up in casual conversation with people I meet on the street like you do Like what what is the argument here? Like god the people have made really like, oh, okay God has been like backed into a corner so fucking hard by rational arguments. They're like, okay There's no proof. So that's like a rabbit and literally back into a corner and we don't know what he's gonna Do. Thanks. Yeah, exactly. But the crystal shit like What is the fucking argument here and what is your reason for believing? I know it is. Is they play too much crush bandicoot and I think crystals actually have power They play too much final fantasy. They're like, yeah, crystals are real, man. I know I should smack that control out of her hand when I have the chance She's always talking about fucking bandicoots and groovy things. It's it's too much I'm not I'm not saying that women shouldn't play video games, but I am saying gamer girls are Gamer girls are far more susceptible to the to the insidious nature of of the crystal indoctrination Of so many video games. That's why so many girls live final fantasy I feel like it's important to chart the progression of how my mom got here. If that's all right My mom my mom grew up in like in the deep south and was a you know, some sort of like You know denomination of prostant was a really strict household and then like, you know Later down the road when I came along she tried to get me to become a god person as well It's all culminated in one Easter where I fortunately for her you instead became a god, which is not part of the plan I'd be too powerful Anyway, one Easter After sermon was over. I was like I said to my mom mom churches are really scary God the bible. It's scary. It's scary aesthetically pleasing scary things It's like they say like the same situation I get like looking at the bible or crucifix is like Wow, what like Dracula like Frankenstein's monster like those are scary things. Oh, oh horror Uh, and and she like I feel like I have mind break dosing my mom by saying that the bible is scary because after that day She like It's weird like like she'll always like insinuate that I am a hardcore Christian for some reason which I don't understand Like even though I I've clearly told her that I'm not she will just insinuate that I am And then she has like gone to this weird fucking awful spiral into fucking insanity I've talked about her like high saturation Jesus art like artifact shit jpegs. She has all right room She has a ton of like weird awful like chakras and fucking like rocks She goes to sermons I the reason the reason I fucking visited ben was because my mom already had like a plane ticket to go to Atlanta For a fucking weird crystal seminar. That's the reason I went for it was because it was a weird fucking crystal seminar Now we're talking like she like she started out was like a normal christian, which is still bad But didn't you like due to the fact that I Like told her that the bible is scary She had like a weird fucking like mid lot mid religion crisis and fucking like like just googled like Like how do I make god more interesting? And then she just added some like special herbs and spices into her fucking god And it's fucking jammed out to this bullshit that is not real It's just turtles all the way down with this kind of stuff. There's no foundation here upon which all this is built And uh, if I'm wrong, please give me the evidence. I mean, I mean is the goal that like does she just want to make sure You're a good christian boy and your soul is safe and everything Is that is that the goal here? She's not trying to Convert me. She just like like like she doesn't bring it up It's just that it is so integral to her being that I can't avoid it. Like I said, whenever I enter the car She'll be playing an audiobook and then and then I'll just like put it in the headphone Like, oh, I know you don't like the stuff for whatever reason. Uh, yeah, I'll I'll turn I'll turn on the radio for you You fucking heretic You know good chipotle To just to just put out the olive branch to all religious people like religious people When they're when they're sincere, which many of them are uh, most of them probably the best majority I'll share a few of them actually believe this shit. Well, it's a it's a matter of logical conclusions But like I I they they want what's best for everybody for the most part They're like guys like like what you were saying munchie Be just like the fact that religion is weird and scary at least like Catholicism is Um, like just because it's scary and that they argue hell is real that itself Of course is an emotional argument that does not make it untrue in no way just saying that it's scary Like if it's real, it's the most important thing to get sorted out in your life Or else you will go to hell forever and be tormented forever Well, of course, you had another reason to believe that god is in fact you actually It's it's time for a fucking tangent It's time for a fucking tangent where I explain just how much Just how much pleasure I get out of out of knowing that like the hell that everyone believes in is literally has literally no resemblance To the hell actually described in the bible. Do you guys know about this? Is that true? No, no, no, I don't know Okay, well like the hell the heaven and hell and stuff that you see the people go to in loony tunes Like where you die and then if you're bad you go to hell and if you're good you go to heaven and there's Simpina and hell is all like red and there's like a lot of fire and stuff like like okay Like like the bible is fiction, right? But that is like double fiction because that's like a fake interpretation of something that's already fake Um, the way hell actually works as I understand it according to the bible it like prepare to get your mind blown Um What actually happens is that when you die? You're dead like you're not you don't go anywhere. You are just dead and you are dead in the ground corpse um until The book of revelations apocalypse happened and jesus comes back and then the dead are resurrected on earth There is no heaven dimension that you go to you are resurrected on earth And then jesus and god and whatever they judge everyone and there is hell But hell is basically they just dig a big hole on earth And bad people get thrown into hell and they do not the lake of fire that's mentioned in the bible. Yeah. Yeah, yeah Okay, they do not burn there forever They burn there for like like the worst that they were the longer that they burned for as like punishment But then ultimately they're obliterated like they're just gone And then the good people that are saved they they go to a shining city like the heaven that they are going to is a city on earth I see how fucking neat is that is this all in the book of revelations. Yeah Well, okay, I mean i'm not an expert but that's my understanding of what the bible actually says happens to Okay, so it's in this actual interpretation. There's no like after like life at this point like everybody who's dead They're just dead. Yeah, they're just dead. They're just dead They're not even out in a better place even all the religious people who say like, you know, like oh like mom's in a good better place And she's looking down on me. Not if the bible has anything during bible spaces right now My dad that's my dad is I know my dad has said that like he looks forward to meeting his You know people who have passed on in the afterlife. It might have been a while Maybe that's dated information from the guy, but he has said it and I I guess there's just literally no basis for it The crux of everything of this entire thing like that's the only really reason religion still has any sort of place in modern society with all this This science and technological progression proving like the ancient myths or whatever religion has been beaten back from every area The only reason the only reason it still has any sort of hold on anyone is because we're all afraid of death And this is like the way you cope with it is like well when I die, I'm not actually dead Exactly. That's the only reason it still has any sort of sway on anyone at all A you're afraid of death and you don't want to be nothing when you die Also, you're afraid of not not knowing what to do with your life and indeed religion gives you like direction Ben are are are you saying that the afterlife and hell and heaven and all of the eternal afterlife Or suffering that you could experience in religion is the is the equivalent of no hacking voices and vinyl scratch It's just pure fanning, but everyone agrees with it Yeah, actually like everyone everyone just everyone's just going with it even though it has no basis in reality Yes Wait, well, I remember no whacking Dude, Sharon's no whacking. If you listen to this, we want you on this show You want me to know you are on the fucking show I I I asked her I asked her if she wanted to go out with me at Brony con and she said she was and she said she was a lesbian I was like, all right, cool Is this a real story? Yeah, that really is Insane I mean I knew she wasn't gonna say yes Oh my god, you almost dated vinyl scratch I know He almost dated her Yeah, it was like it was like right either way. It could have gone either way It was right there It was a coin toss Exactly, exactly. I'm your twist of fate settled this matter This time against phantom horn's favor, but next time, but next time It's fucking insane We should have a brony con Stories Brony con reunion cast. It's time to get the gang back together guys and watch our new christmas album I literally didn't have hundreds of stories from brony con. We could literally do that Yeah, we could oh, what do we got that raven cosplayer back on the pcp? Remember that guys? Oh my god, be incredible That was she was good. We can we can do it through. Um, yeah, what's her name? The big one it was just a she was just some girl sitting like there was a there was a time when we were all sitting in our thing Exactly, never mind. Oh, no, no, no. Not not Tara strong Tara strong. I take Tara strong in the pcp though. Shout out to Tara strong Come on the pcp. Yeah Yeah, um Well, do you remember anything else to say on the topic of religion? I feel like we didn't have anything to say in the beginning So I don't know. Wait, wait, wait. I have I have something to say Um, I didn't know when to say this. I'll bring them now. I did start a religion a little I mean, okay, I say that but it was a really half-hearted effort and like I went and I looked into it a little bit And I I remembered being a bigger deal than it was. It's kind of embarrassing to even mention All I did was make a facebook group Describing a new religion and like see if I could get people to join it. Oh, it's funny. You mentioned this I I attempted to do this at one point as well. It was I don't really remember that much About it. I okay. I remember that it was called the church of transubstantialism um, and I oh well actually I think I remember the basic tenet the basic tenet of it is that um Reincarnation is real, but there's only like one soul in the universe and the and you are that one soul like Reincarnated throughout time and you will eventually be re reincarnated as every living thing that has ever existed Oh, that's kind of like the theory where there's one electron that exists ever simultaneously. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's like lording Right. Yeah, so I thought that was pretty neat So I made a facebook group saying it was a religion and I got a couple people to join it and I felt pretty smug about that I was like, hey, I don't even believe this dude Yeah, my my religion was totally different I never ended up making a facebook group or anything because I don't touch facebook But the whole idea was I was I was super pissed off at the fact that like religions have exemptions for everything in society And so I was like if I can't beat him join him I wanted to craft a religion that was specifically designed to fuck over the government and abuse that exception constantly like the whole basis of the faith Was that like everything you ever did everything you ever made was for god and god alone And no one else had the right to take it from you until you offered it to god upon your death So like you were exempt from taxes you're exempt from like all this crazy shit And the whole doctrine was just like how to dodge every legal obligation It's just like a book of legislation. I never got so far to give it a name. Um, you should call it fuck the government I feel it's a little on the nose might might make it easier to What about tax exemptionism? That's pretty good, you know It should be like tips for door is them because it's such a it's such a uh, I think I want to If you'll accept it, tom, let's call it exemptionism and make that the official like let's let's apply that Exemptionism sounds almost like it could be a real. It does. It does. I'll accept that as the official religion of the pcp All right Yeah, the church of exemptions here. We are start that out right now Fucking hashtag that and just so you know the pcp is the official Keepers of the religion. We are the popes. We speak to god directly. We are the popes nine I dub the all my high priests of exemptions. Oh, thank you. Thank you, tom We're um, we're we're ideologically opposed to paying any of the fees associated with patreon kickstarter youtube It's all it's all because everything we make is for god And and we shouldn't have any false idols and to give away any of the fruits of our our labor to anyone other than god And since we are our own temples for god by giving it to ourselves until we meet our maker and give everything We've created to them in the meantime. We have to hold on to everything Which is deadly Functions, we're heavily inspired by the ancient pharaohs where we need to be buried in giant tombs with all our possessions So please government do not take them. This is part of the pyramid is our symbol and the dollar is our Also symbol. Yes, I've just created a new religion just now called grind jealousism grind jealousism and the longer like like For say you have a scooter or a skateboard for as long as you oh, yes That time is equal to the time you have in the afterlife. So you shouldn't have to mind as much as possible I'm gonna fire up tony hawk right now Exactly. So so so so so the real devote members will fucking grind day in day out So they just accumulate the afterlife points. So here's something to be doing. It certainly doesn't sound like I'm gonna fire up my fucking psv But that's such a raw deal because you have to spend all that time You're wasting that same amount of time grinding now. Well, unfortunately for you, Ben. It's just true. So you better Bummer dude. Yeah, exactly. I say with my new my new skater lingo Please the god Amazon yeah Tapping over to buy the hot new skateboard. Yes, exactly with pcp branding on it, of course, of course We should literally get a pcp brand skateboard and sell that on someplace. We should what was it the grindology? I forget what it was grind jealousism grind jealousism excellent Well, we've got two new religions for you to choose from they're both 100 accurate and represent reality completely So they now have a religious war in the and remember don't limit yourself to just one box. So do them both Please you can patronize twice with two accounts. So please do so. You're always free to have a personal relationship with god However, we see fit to divide that out and remember guys if you want something you'll get it No matter what that's the secret Indeed that's the secret. So the church of grind jealousism and the church of exemptionism both. All right. Well, we got I just want to point out in in a Exceptionism whatever you just said if fucking was uh, yeah When you when we say that that you're not allowed to to to give anything to anyone else That's that's forcing you're allowed to to give freely. So go to patreon.com Procrastinators exactly give to the donation box of the high priests and you'll be rewarded greatly It's the only way to make sure your money goes the cause worthy of it in the afterlife. Yes Unless bonus episodes are your jam in those cases. Oh, you know what? We should make an exemption like obviously you want all your goods In exemptionism to like be with you when you die But there is there was a clause where if you funnel it up the pyramid towards the top of the exemptionism church That's acceptable as well. So you said it straight to us via patreon. Exactly. You're still gold. You're still gold Hashtag PC pyramid scheme Exactly. Exactly. All right guys. I think we've done it. This is excellent. I think we've solved religion With this is finally like the the end stone to end all religion discussion There is literally nothing that can be argued here. This is the end of the discussion It was over before it even fucking started. So we're finally at the moment I see another person even mention god's name in vain I will obliterate them as we've proven that that is antithetical To all sense of morality or ethical equanimity. We can all finally stop. We're all finally free We've shook it out of our system and this tired charade. Yeah fantastic Well, let's uh, let's shift on over to those questions. Familia Actually, can you please give the twitter uh, pity question the the one twitter pity question here All right, everybody. Let's let's let's check out what we got here Let's pull up some hashtag ask PCP questions for our for our lowly non-patroning Viewers out there disgusting. Let's see what we got Okay Xtreme 42 asks What's your process for watching a youtube channel? Do you go buy playlists? Chronologically or just watch whatever you deem interesting Um I if if it's in series I like to I like to watch by playlist like usually I'll just click around If I find a new channel, I'll just click like the recommended videos and click around until I start to feel like I really love this like this whole thing and then usually I'll seek out a playlist and like Go through it and watch all the stuff that I haven't seen already Yeah, when I when I I I see a new channel I watch the recommended videos same thing, but when I feel like I really like it I go to the very first video and then watch the whole backlog same as hippo Um, I I've actually been doing a really weird thing as I think I discussed in in my in my own time here I've been watching a lot of hello internet because I want to catch up on that because I've never entertained that before and I've been doing a really weird awful roundabout way where I've been like Slowly eating away from either side I've been watching like like like the latest episode and then like one of the first episodes And I've been going back and forth like that and eventually I'll reach somewhere in the middle And that will be the last episode I watch and then I'll just move on forward from that I don't know how this is started, but I can't stop it and it's fucking awful So that's the mean don't do it I've been forever to like actually watch the angry video game nerd and like I feel uncomfortable just like jumping in So I want to start from the beginning. I I know it's just it's just a problem to not be watching already I don't know for for he's got sort of like a narrative in a crafted show So like for a show like that. I want to start from the beginning There's no narrative between episodes. There's just there's just like kind of like memes and stuff It's kind of like if you it's just if you jumped into the pcp Like at this episode and we're talking about mercabas and chris consciousness Yeah, you you wouldn't know the buildup that makes those so funny and why we're all laughing our ass And there's a few things like like ljn. He doesn't he doesn't explain that every single time Right, you just have to like know the the the mythos and so it's like best watched from the start if you want an optimal experience So that's that's my plan. Yeah, it would be very interesting just to see how badly that his age because it's so true I I've watched all of them quite recently and some of the earlier ones are they've never been that good But there's like like 10 or so episodes in they start becoming classics. Okay, that's good The first one I want is the power glove and that will always be close in my heart I remember This will show my fucking a's here. I remember in fifth grade Finding the angry video game nerd and then like like on my way home from school talk to my friend and like Because we both watch it and in fifth grade. I was like, you know, all he does really just swear a whole bunch I don't know if this is really the highbrow constant I'm making for in fifth grade I I um God, yeah, I started watching at some point. I was so bored I just I put on angry video game I watched like the entire series of angry video game nerd as a playlist and at the end I was like, man I'm glad I didn't have anything better to be doing Sick Whatever I was just gonna say that like that's a show that I would watch like in direct order But there's tons of other stuff I just like watch with whatever like seems interesting or whatever. Yeah, I don't know Yeah, I mean I don't watch on youtube. I don't watch a lot of stuff that needs to be seen in order We can't spend any more time on this. This is the pity question He's right. He's right from the patreon discord from super fish Favorite national slash state slash providential flag. I would say my two flags are either the original union jack the imperial japanese flag or or or um, that's it by um That the easy easy answer at maryland or brazil. Yeah Maryland's flag looks like something that a sick knight would wear while he's like While he's like fucking blasting you off your horse with a lance. I'm googling this right. Is that the yeah that black? Thing it looks like a taxicab combined with a knight with a templar. Yeah, exactly. It's awesome Um, I mean, it's a little it's it's played out But I'm a big but I really like the uh, the the national flag of napal because it is not It defies conventions Because it's not a rectangle. It's like two tiny triangles. You know, I hate that flag and I also hate uh, uh north korea Has like a long flag like it's not as like tall as a normal flag Well, when napal does it I think it's cool, but when north korea does it they're just trying too hard I I agree. Um, I got to go with my boy of the rebel flag because hashtag heritage not hate. Uh, that's um, wait What rebel flag the confederate flag of course star wars. Oh Yeah, I'm actually joking. Um, I don't what's that one the uh, the the yellow one with the snake on it that says don't tread on Oh, that's that the black hill boy the blast in flag Is that what that's right? I don't know if that's how you pronounce it. It's called it's called Like yeah, I think the glass didn't flag. I think the glass didn't flag. I know how it's spelled It's don't tread on me and our dad is a flag like that. Yeah He does. Yeah, he flies it sometimes like in the front yard He talks about like how it's like bunker hill because you know, we live in massachusetts and we're like, you know We know about massachusetts history in shit. Okay. Yeah, it's an american revolution thing. Oh, yeah I like the welsh flag because it's got a dragon on. Oh, yeah, the welsh flag is sick Hippo, I don't I don't know if you'll even know what what is your favorite union jack the original or the current one? Uh, the original doesn't have the extra white doesn't it doesn't have the extra red going going through the like doesn't have the extra like I don't know I I'm not as I I I don't know whether I like it with the red Wait, what is this what is this original union jack? I can't find it It's the union jack is a combination of flags and there was a time when all of the flags were in it Right. Oh, it's missing the like red bars and the diagonals. Yes. Oh, it looks way better with them Uh, no Okay, you know jack is super me I guess I just like the english flag It's just cool. Dude, remember where one gurren lagon was going to be on the union jack. I remember I I remember I remember it was pretty cool. The fuck you talking about There was a time when uh, like britain or something said like hey guys We're looking for like cool suggestions for like a new flag or whatever Yeah, I think it was like a it was just like a meme or something it was like for something And like the one that literally won it was just the union jack with the the the digurrand on symbol Oh, yeah It was sick because it's the most aesthetic logo of all fucking times. I see the canadian flag here with it instead of the maple leaf That's fucking leaves. Oh, yeah maple niggers Trucking fucking tree slurpers embarrassing embarrassing tree slurpers By the way, hashtag californian state flag best state flag. I I do like the bear I do like the bear the most powerful flag of all time the most representative one of our current struggle. That's the antifa flag. Okay Oh, he's not wrong He's not wrong black like my here is an isis. That's the good one. Um, it's a good one My my favorite my my absolute favorite flag is the tag football flags Because I always put my into card and rip the fucking belt off of the people and push him to the ground Even though it was non tackle football now get sent to the principal office But I didn't care because I almost fucking killed someone because I was so much bigger than they were You know what I don't like about the antifa flag Is that it looks like a flag for like a local like sports federation It it looks like a flag that like the like the lower like the southern new jersey district sporting commission would be putting on These are all like rich spoiled people just playing at revolutionary. I feel it's fitting Well, that's all nice now with your fucking beta kuk loser antifa flag, but check out this migtau real fucking nigger, uh blue lives matter flag. No, it's aesthetic fucking Oh, I get it. Oh, that's god. Is that it? Yeah, it's fucking don't tell No, dude. No, bro Why is only one bar blue? Playing this fucking boys in blue dude, but that is actually the worst It's so unbalanced. It's so unbalanced. No, I'm getting dizzy. I'm like getting dizzy looking at it. It's like a lightsaber That was probably the inspiration. They didn't like the representation of luke in the new movie So they were like, yeah, fuck this his lightsaber is going on the flag Oh blue like police. Oh, like police like police I like the I like the the gay flag or like the lgbt flag with the brown and black because you know, we got it We got to be we got to rep rep rep our racial brethren. You know our oppressed brethren There's brown and black for black people Yeah, they added that like a couple of years ago. Like there was like there was like a meeting where like they added I know it has nothing to do with it. That's so terrible. That's like so stupid. Yeah, I know I know Welcome to current year. Yeah way to be a nazi ben way to be a fucking fascist hater Fuck. Yeah, that's right, right? That's awful. Uh, let me say so confused Right right here. Yeah, that's the one. That's the one. Why only? That looks so bad. It looks bad and the meaning is just like why Uh, I mean because they're a minority. Wait, wait, wait. Is that actually what it means? No, I swear to god that that that was a thing that actually did happen Hashtag more color more pride. Okay. It's to represent lgbt people of color. Well, they're lgbt The flag already represents this. This was the argument that everyone was saying and it's intersectionality just going a little bit Yeah, the reals might be here we go, but uh But the flag already represents all queer people. I know I know they feel that minorities need more extra special representation within the lgbt community have a second flag. No We can fly two flags It's so funny because it now implies that the red stripe the orange the yellow the green the blue and the purple or all different races Now that's no no white flag. No, no, no white stripe. You're not a white white people. Well, if you combine them all So the red ones the native americans the yellow one is the asians And then they also represent orcs. That's the green one Oh, we need to get rid of that blue one because I'm so confused because like what the black stripe is for black people and the brown is for Just miscellaneous or like minority in general, I guess Indian people or something. I don't I don't know. I don't know. I don't know Look, I get the I would have just added the black like even if I thought this was a good idea Like I would have just added the black I actually don't hate this as much as a lot of people do But I would just argue that like it doesn't it doesn't actually help what they're trying to do Like I don't have a problem. Okay. All right. There you go. I'm not like I don't know. Yeah, shout out to my boys with the asexual flag. That was one of the most asexual That was all in the most aesthetically pleasing You know lgbtq specific flags shout to the asexual flag my boys and love your I love your uh Your platform and I support you to the end of my fucking life. Look at this. Look look at these stripes for the asexual flag It's sick. It's not bad. It's not bad Also got to shout out the mig towel flag Big towel here wrapped in my my brothers. Um, we're going our own way What's that? There was actually a mig towel flag. Of course. Of course my never seen it As seen on nate's shirt in our retrieval. Yes Okay, I'm looking for it. This is all right. This is the symbol. What could be less manly than being artsy and making something This is the symbol, but uh, it's on put it on a flag and there you go. You got yourself a flag Okay Yeah Okay We're going to add a rabbit hole here. Let's proceed to our next question. I think we exhausted this speaking of arm retrieval From tadpo in the patreon lounge Who on this week's pcp hasn't supported or shared arm retrieval con 3 go fund me I am Okay, I did share it because homestuck is gay. I did share it munchy, but I am also Like I shared it right before the show and I said, okay. Well, I gotta do the show I got a lot of people. I am gonna fucking I am gonna donate that was always that was my plan Thank you. And so should you viewers? Yeah, so should you go to gofund me dot com slash arm retrieval con II and in between all of those words are dashes Please go there. That's where I'll be give us some money. So arm retrieval con 3 can be a massive success This will be the only crowd sourcing You know a vent for any particular Me up or you know convention of any sort for the foreseeable future for as long as the fucking may breathe This will be the only one that you will see for possibly the rest of the pcp's existence And uh, there you go. Good. Good. Good. Uh, uh, let's get going going Well, I was yeah, it's nothing I have donated, but I was gonna say it doesn't matter. I have donated I've given eight bucks. Oh, so that was not bad. It was a lorries. Hey, there you go Uh, listen new new real question. Please listen I would give money to To this arm retrieval, uh illicit fund happening here. It's just okay I gotta think about where my money's actually going. Uh, do I really want to send money to the the the disgraceful illicit Ethan and steve. Is that something I could look myself in the mirror in the morning and say I did a good thing today. I'll donate, you know, on the condition that they are banned from Oh, perfect steam Famed remover of sildex. He's the one who went back and added all the old panels So they were removed from the comic. Is that true? Did he do that? No He doesn't have access to mspadvention.com Maybe Uh, I thought he meant for a personal archive. Okay. Well, anyway, uh, yes, everyone give give money All the money do empty your wallet For arm retrieval because there will be nothing else besides So, okay next question. What else we got? Um, I have from me cool man in the patreon lounge When did you wake up today? Um as of this recording 24 hours ago? 24 hours ago is when I woke up. Okay in real life When you got woke. Yeah, I got woke. Oh, yeah, this is like a matrix question Basically When we got group fucking red pill. Is that is that what we're yeah, when did you take the red pill? I told you when I was 14 in the shower. Yeah Basically Oh, oh, oh, oh, I'll figure out when I was fucking red pill. Hold on one second Okay, I yeah, uh, let me let me go on to I found the exact date august 10 2011 the date know, you're me myla pony was released And thus the day I first started watching my little pony that's the day when I got woke August 10 2011 That's good. That's good All right, here's another question from haid in the patreon lounge again Favorite kind of meat. Are you team chicken cow fish? Ham boy or other sort of meat? Uh, does does seafood count like like does the shellfish count? He did say fish. Absolutely. Yeah fish Yeah, I would probably go. I think scallop might be my favorite meat of all Where's cock meat? I'm Gallop or lobster We're talking about terrified go with beef Yeah, oh what a new winglender this lobster boy. Oh, how disgraceful Tier one cow tier two pig uh slash selfish Uh, what what what a shrimp shrimp shrimp would also there's river shell shell shrimper shellfish. Yeah, very Tier three chicken and the rest and then tier four is all the shit that does not matter The the answer the answer is for sure number one is fish. I love fish. They got omega threes They're they're killer. I fucking love fish intensely I think I like fish about as much as I like chicken like like fish. It's so yeah, yeah I'm happy although I really like sushi and I guess you couldn't have that without fish So there there is the novelty factor at play in fish for me Because I never had a lot growing up and it kind of made it seem cool in my own head But I still love it and they're yeah, it seems fancy. I thought fish were just so cool Eating fish was delicious and I didn't do it enough and it's super low fat Like we never eat fish and when we did it was like, whoa, we're having fish Whoa. Yeah, exactly. And it's super locale and it's got lots of great Unsaturated fats. It's it's super local If that's yeah local fish is Is not very flavorful you need to put a lot of oil and stuff on it before it tastes like anything except prawns prawns are good Okay, sure shrimp. What do you call them? I don't know. Yeah, there's loads of different types of that little guy You're you're right. Yeah, you're not wrong Chicken is like the main staple chicken is is best. Do you guys Has anyone like eaten prawns where you have to rip the shell off by hand? Yes. Yes. Yeah, that's the worst I love that. Um, I love it. That's for some reason. I don't mind that but I have okay The biggest fucking pet peeve is when you you get like you get I don't know like shrimp Scampi or something you get some like pasta dish that has Shrimp in it, but the tails are still on them like what the like you have to get Reach into your fucking pasta and pull this. Why wouldn't the chef take it off? He took the rest of the shell off What exactly and like All the butter and the garlic is like on the shell now in the trash like what the fuck was the point of this What a waste all right? Here's the point. Here's the point of keeping the shell on because when you're boiling them um the flavor of like the the meat the flesh Uh gets diminished if it doesn't have the shell on like the shell cooks it somewhat So when you serve it you have the shell and then you take it off But like keep them in the shell all the time keep them in the shell But like they these are these are not shelled shrimp. Well, they are shelled shrimp. The shell is removed It's just the tail is on but you can't fucking eat it. I don't know what that is Which is like the way you're supposed to have it is Yeah, I get that but I don't think that applies here Uh, I like I like shrimp cocktails You just eat the shrimp and you dip it in the marinara sauce or whatever it's called Yeah, like in that case it's fine because you hold it by the tail and you like you kind of bite it out But in like a pasta. Oh my god I'm actually a very big shrimp enthusiast I I have not tasted shrimp until I went to Denver where I live on a coastal city I had never tried shrimp until I went to fucking Denver, Colorado. I realized I liked it Are you familiar? Fried shrimp is literally the best shrimp Fried shrimp tempura is delicious. Are you familiar with the beaver boys by any chance, munchie? Okay, the beaver boys are an elite group of of of young heroes living in America and living the high life that that That love two things and two things only shrimp and white wine And these two things comprise the entirety of their being shrimp and white wine the beaver boys They are from tim and eric and you should go check them out as soon as we're done They're from they're from several tim and eric episodes. You should check them out. They're excellent uh Other questions. What else we got? A lot of bullshit. How about gay ass bullshit? How about this right here? I don't know. Kidera in the patreon lounge asks if you could pass along any of your own skills slash talent to someone of the PCP what skill would that be and who would you give it to? Hmm I this is basically why I'm better than x person. I would give ben my financial responsibility If I could if only Or that if we give it if we give someone the power do we lose it or is we just i'm gonna say it's copied in this case You got a one-time because because if I have to lose it I ain't giving anybody shit because i'm already like barely getting Let's say this glassing I need is another handicap. Well, Nate, I would give you my caring about my brother's feelings. My body would reject it like a bad friend. That'll fucking doubt me. Indeed. I would give a digi my crippling AIDS. I would give hippo my lung capacity. Oh, that's a good one. That would be good. I would love that. Imagine give puffing up like a puffer fish and you know, preparing to unleash a torrent of... I would give munchie my heterosexuality. No, no, no, get that away from me. Wave that asexual flag as fast as you can. I would give hippo my 3D skills because I want to see him make animation. I'm sick of give being 2D in real life. It's a real disgrace. He needs to get with the times. It's time to fatten up. Time to get thick. That's what the people want. Yeah, that's right. I'd give hippo my incredibly disgusting eating habits when I just engorge on junk food. So he can get some meat on his bones. Indeed. For you, it just keeps you skinny for some reason. But you just got the fastest metabolism in the world, I guess. I just wear baggy clothes. You don't know. Oh, fair enough. I would give Nate my muscle-less body. Oh, no. He would be crippled instantly. No. How cruel. How vicious. Here's a question for Gib. I'm just curious about this. AutisticBiden asks, Hippo, do you still play Fire Emblem Heroes? What is your favorite Fire Emblem game? This is a terrible question. No, I was just curious. Are you still playing this game? Because it was like a thing. I had to take it off my phone because I wanted to play Pokemon Go, and it kept updating, and I didn't have space. It was alright, and I might play it again, but eh. Okay, okay. I'm just curious about the continuity of all these kinds of mobile games, because me and Kingdom Hearts have fallen out of ways with the mobile game. I just can't keep up with the fucking missions that are shit. It's not fun. It's not fun. What's your favorite Fire Emblem? Oh, fucking Fire Emblem 7. Final Fantasy 8. It depends on my mood. But either of those games are the best game I've ever made. Hippo is a capricious creature. Indeed. I see a pretty good question here. Let's make it the last one, because I feel like we're wrapping up here. Okay, well, Plastic Gargoyle asks, this question is based on the assumption that there was a point in life when you were a wee lad when you weren't actively pursuing art. How has your view of art and artists changed since actively pursuing it as a career? And my answer for that is just that I don't respect them as much. Hmm, reasonable. I don't think, because I'm kind of doing the same thing, and now I don't think what they do is special anymore. That makes sense. I don't know whether I'm, like I can't remember a time where I wasn't thinking about doing art, because I was always like people praising my drawings when I was a little kid. So I don't really know whether I was ever thinking about doing something else. But I also, at the same time, feel more connected to them, and almost like they're my friends, like we have like commonality. Like sometimes I think about Andrew Hussey just grinding out pages of Homestuck like for days on end, and I just think like, yeah man, I feel ya. Sometimes I think about Andrew Hussey, losing all the money from his Kickstarter, and you know, sitting around for a fucking year not updating. Sometimes I think about Andrew Hussey dating some fan artist, and then when she breaks up with him, she stays the PR manager of his company. I still don't know what's on my thinking about that. The ultimate cockledry. Okay, I mean, how sad, how unfortunate. My perception of artist has not changed at all. Basically, basically. Oh, actually, actually, my perception of this band of artists, the PCP, has changed dramatically, actually. I now feel the same way Ben does. I don't feel like it's that special anymore. Yeah, that certainly makes sense. It's great. I don't know. Yeah, I generally agree. I feel myself a little more jaded in a sense. Like, okay, a lot of people, I've been thinking about this lately. I've seen a lot of people talking about, I think I watched, maybe it was like Philip DeFranco or something. It was something about the new changes to the monetization stuff on YouTube. We're now like, if you have less than a thousand subs, or you haven't gotten like 4,000 hours of watch time, in the last year or something, then you're not eligible for monetization. I'm not commenting on that, but people were bringing up the point that like, okay, it's really hard to make it as an artist on YouTube, and obviously it's just getting harder, and maybe I'll make it. But they've really been, a lot of people have been saying, you shouldn't make this like your main thing unless you're super successful. You should keep working your job and just make this like a hobby to keep it pure. And I've really been rebelling against that in my own mind, but I don't know. I'm kind of split on the issue. I personally am dedicated to making it happen. But like, if you look at something like Weagawa, Weagawa is a reaction to my evolving understanding of how to make it in this world. I would rather be working on like bigger projects that I could, you know, like when I started on my channel, spending like months and years, like preparing like really big things. And I am still doing that, but they're taking longer because you know, this other shit. So like, I'm wondering, and in fact, to be able to go full-time content creator, I might be able to then make like a Weagawa and get my bigger projects out faster because I'm like getting paid for doing art in general and don't have to go to like a wage slave job and, you know, it might work out that I make more and better art in that way. But also it's possible it might not work out that way. I don't know. I'm a little bit, I feel a little more jaded. I feel like someone with your disposition would increase their workflow dramatically because you're not somebody you're just going to be like, I guess I'm just going to eat Doritos and watch anime. You know, I sort of fear that. I sort of fear that. Like, I think Jesse said this, like a long time ago on the podcast, is that Mr. Plinkett, like Red Letter Media, the Mr. Plinketts were like great when they were around, but a lot of like the half in the bags and like just the silly videos with Mike and Rich just talking about something have just as many views and are also just as funny with so much less effort put into them. But they've realized that nothing, not everything has to be a Plinkett review. Indeed. And nothing has to be, not everything has to be like a big project that you spend a lot of time on to make it like really good because at the end of the day, the effect is the same. And at this point, you're totally right. And at this point, like I have enjoyed half in the bag possibly at this point as a collective more than I have enjoyed the Plinkett reviews. Like those are legendary. Nothing that's ever happened on half in the bag has had like anywhere near the kind of impact. Well, there are some exceptions to this. And like the one video they did on Jack and Jill as a half in the bag is like legendary and I think is like makes just as good a point and artistically so as was done in the Plinkett reviews. I'm not going to say that like artistically was quite on the same level as everything that happened in Plinkett. But the point like and the meaning behind it is a really good one and very interesting and presented in a great way. And like for and like when I was doing we Agua just because I like forced myself to grind out a bunch of videos I ended up making stuff that was like some of them were really great like people really liked the one where I talked about like working out like when I was just scrolling on you on like the 4chan looking for something to talk about that day and I saw the chart about the increase in like people signing up for the volleyball clubs in high school in Japan after the release of I forget like the the the manga about or the anime what was it? Was it Haikyuu? Yes, that's right. Haikyuu is the volleyball manga shown in jump slash anime and like I and then I was just it grabbed me spiraling off thinking about like all this stuff and I ended up making what I consider a really great video about that and you know non-kiromote do whatever it's called and so like great things can emerge when you put yourself on the grind and I don't know it's less likely that a we Agua will be as good as you're growing like in video but it's not impossible which is the point it's true and you know what I actually I only slightly disagree there I think even like the newest plinket I think is better like aesthetically like artistically it is better than even the best half in the bag which is the Jack and Jill one it's like you have to ask what the point of the art is because like when you think about it something the difference between a plinket review and half in the bag and the difference between like a we Agua and like Gurren Lagan is really mostly window dressing right yeah because it's like attracting people from like the visual presentation and things like that but if you made a we Agua about Gurren Lagan you would have hit on the same points it's just the presentation would have been very true I would actually challenge this I feel like this group in particular has been consciously moving away for not you know immoral reasons for a lot of for I think mostly for you know economic reasons and shit yeah economic and just you know not wanting to be stagnant they've been moving away from long like like a big big long not long form necessarily but big concise bombastic huge say everything you possibly can be it can say about a topic in one video highly structured and edited to a fine mirror shine to just spewing out shit all the time yeah that's true honestly because that works at least for me that's what we Agua was so that I could keep myself engaged in YouTube and keep people coming back I've tried very hard to not let my videos become like that I still try enough but like I feel like I also can't reach the heights like I've tried like the closest I got was my Rayman video which everybody loves and it's a big old thing but I don't even know whether that's like on the same level like proportionally like in a ratio sense to like a plinker review to what a half in the bag is like I don't know whether I've reached like a big project yeah well all I want to say I don't think there's like you know I love Viagua and I watch it as soon as it comes out just recently on the new one I got a letter from Psy who says that he like loves my old work but he said he's gotten so much more out of Viagua than he did for like the like it's like five best anime ever because they each took six months to make more or less so you know I will say like sure if we're going to look at it from like lens like eagle eye point of view what series have it gotten more out of sure maybe due to the fact that it just is so much longer I've gotten more out of Miyamata slash Viagua than best anime ever but here's the thing I rewatch best anime ever during the gun like pretty fucking frequently I do that all the time and whenever I do it I still am amazed by how well structured and fucking edited to a mere fucking shine it is and how incredible it is on every fucking level whereas Viagua I would never rewatch it I would never do that even though I think it's good to put on and you know I can draw on the background of it I just have the same weight to me you know that's right that's right to remember is that the reason why like this pivot is happening it's yeah it's an economic it's not a creative decision like if all things if all things were equal and like Nate you could have the exact same impact and make the exact same amount of money just slaving away over the next best anime ever as opposed to doing Viagua I'm pretty sure you would just do best anime ever I don't quite agree I think now that I've tried out Viagua I do actually like staying sort of in constant communication with my audience with like regular updates so I think yeah but you like that because of the economics I mean I like it because it keeps people interested in me which is part of what I need to do so there's always a practical component like we could dream that in a perfect world like that was what I was proposing the reason this is an economic choice it's not just economic though it's like just practically if I put out a best anime ever every six months people will just forget about me regardless of like how much money I'm making and I don't want that I want to stay active and I want to stay involved but I'm not trying to you know counter your anything please go on what's wrong with being like a piece of artist who just puts out a big bomb every now and then that's just not what I want to do that's all people succeed on that model well not as much anymore not on YouTube Mr. Beetong is not succeeding on YouTube because he's not making any money you were talking about succeeding as I was saying Mr. Beetong as an example he's not an example of that but like people love Mr. Beetong so much he's so niche and he doesn't overload you with stuff that is not interesting as interesting well what are we talking about economics or like a good channel I don't know you were talking about the way you want to be perceived like you want people to remember you I want to stay a constant force in people's lives that's that's true I want them to reflect and say ah yes let's see what best guy ever said to you now would you say that your goals have changed as in a response to doing Mia Maffova and we are go as a result I well let's not forget the reason I did Mia Maffova was because I was sick of people saying that they're that they only hear from me like every once every six months because that was never my intention I wanted to get things out faster I just you know have to work and don't have time I don't really care at all how much people hear from me I just want to leave them with a good impression I just want to leave them I just want to give them something cool and never I got it you know that's that's what I care about not even one iota of my original statement was to disparage we waggle or short form frequent content that's true I know I want I'm a little afraid that people will just only do short form stuff even though that is more economic you know and that's the reason they're doing things you know I would just like art to be what I like I totally hear what you're saying but for someone like me I would ask for for people to be charitable anyone who makes this point and unfortunately this is asking kind of a lot but do not judge someone like me on what I'm producing moment to moment I would say in a few years look back at what I created and then say well look I didn't get the content I wanted therefore this this time period I would consider a failure because you didn't make a single best anime ever you were too busy on we Agua and I'm not you know it goes with the management of history I think that is a perfectly reasonable thing to say I think it's just well it might be a failure to you as an audience member right just for your personal yeah you know you can make a case which is totally fine like I would argue that like the last year for example twin perfect is an interesting example to me where those guys actually it was very interesting recently they've been doing this entire year they've been doing a monthly recap they called like the perfect monthly recap and at the end of every month these that happened the previous month the problem was by the time they were doing this recap the entire news cycle for every store they talked about was completely over and nobody gave a shit anymore so like these videos they have like 55,000 subs or something they would get like 4,000 views and then at the end of this experiment that honestly I kind of think is them reframing like what they were doing they were like oh that was just an experiment and the whole like this was just in addition to our actual content that we actually care about we didn't want this to be popular anyway of of like our big analytical videos that they did of like the new alien movie like Prometheus something something the new one or whatever and other stuff and those videos do indeed get like generally hundreds of thousands of views people give a shit about those and they weren't into their review stuff so like those are that's an example of guys trying something and like not not it not working out very well in terms of like trying to do regular content because they didn't give the market what it needed they weren't snappy enough they weren't fast enough and they just like weren't engaged enough with the community even though they were trying to so that's the sort of thing you need to avoid if you're trying to make this kind of regular content I would say but they're they're a very interesting case but whatever I don't know yeah I I agree with everything said here I just I just want like like I was gonna say did you please make another a good video there it is there it is please you didn't like you didn't like his like hour long Makoto Shinkai or whatever no that was fine I don't like any of the other things that are constantly happening okay okay the oh god I don't want to talk about this who does who does I am shout out to Digibro what would you guys consider my like greatest project that I've made top 10 hippos top 10 fucking hippos is the greatest video of all time top 10 hippos like probably the funniest you're like oh no I really love the grpj is a lot mine I would love more of this there's a fish at the door that's true I forgot about those yeah your animations are really great hippo I'm just gonna tell you the right fucking now here's the munchie munchie opinion here's just lay it on the table game reviews stop animate draw that stuff here's what you're here's what you're going to do in my brain when I fantasize about it here's what I hope and when you don't do it I'll be disappointed as the fear of mind munchie predicts yeah exactly you should become the literally new control the lead you just make daily or like weekly comics not about video games just like like short comics just turn all of your puns on twitter into short comics you would be a billionaire it would be great I want to see you draw these your drawings are good and it would be funny and games fuck video games fuck them they're done there's no more you can do reviews are dead analytical content is over bye bye bye wiped off the map do new things create actual art real art isn't fake like analysis interesting idea me that's me your rebuttal hippo oh no don't worry I don't know okay I I like I like the bugs life review I like I like I like I like all of the videos I just don't want no no no no don't back down I well now that we've slayed Gib there was a thorough examination of that last question but but it was good 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