 It's time for the first Mackie Geb of 2023 and listener Scott brings us our quick tip of the week with, rather than press the crown and then scroll or poke around in the grid of the Apple watch, I simply press and hold the crown and launch Siri and then tell her to launch heart rate or launch workout or whatever app you need. Much easier than the grid view or the list view and scrolling around. More tips like this, plus your questions answered today on Mackie Geb 962 for January 2, 2023. And welcome to Mackie Geb, the show where you send in tips like that. Your questions, your cool stuff found. We bring our own tips, our own cool stuff found, sometimes even our own questions that we try and answer together, either here on the show or as a community on our Discord channel. The goal is for each and every one of us to learn at least five new things every single time we get together. 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I have to be there for my daughter's birthday, which is a cool birthday, one, two, three. So she's turning 20 on the second. Oh, amazing. Wow. Yeah. I agree that you have to be there. Yeah. That's great, man. That's awesome. Yeah. It's fun to be with them on their birthday. Still, they're still around. They still like us. They still want to be with us on their birthdays. That's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. Yeah. So that's a good thing. Hey, speaking of quick tips, listener Paul has a tip for us related to last episode. I mentioned picture in picture and we had some tips about that. And I said that YouTube picture in picture was only available for premium subscribers or YouTube red or I don't know whatever they call it now. It's not YouTube supports picture in picture on the iPhone and iPad for everyone with an asterisk for not music videos. So if you're playing a music video, it won't go to picture in picture if you leave the YouTube app. But if you're playing anything that's not a like a movie or a how to or Mac geek app, for example, that will go into picture in picture if you just leave the YouTube app. And so, yeah. And then you don't have to go through machinations last week. We gave that tip where you kind of go into an app switcher. Do a question. So that it. Yeah. So it does. Well, yeah, you do a little question mark so that it doesn't so that it doesn't go picture in picture. Well, if it does go picture in picture, you can just swipe it off to the left and it will hang out there on the left sort of off the screen. You can bring it back if you want, but it you can you can control the picture in picture that way too. So thank you very much for that, Paul. Good stuff. It's super nice. You can put your phone in your pocket and continue to listen to your YouTube program. That's correct. Concept. What a concept. Well, because sometimes podcasts like this one have are on YouTube at YouTube dot com slash at Mac geek gab. I believe is where we are. I can't remember. Did I make it at Mac geek gab or at Mac geek gab podcast? I don't know. Which one should it be? I probably should at Mac geek gab. Maybe I should I'll look into that. I'll do that, but I'm not going to do it right now because John, we have Albert in with a quick tip of his own. Yeah, I like this one. And I found another one while I was verifying this. In episode 961, you were talking about tapping on the icons on the Apple watch grid view. If you rotate the digital crown while in grid view, you can zoom in or out. You can then enlarge the icons, making it much easier to tap without fear of tapping the one next to it. And yes, I verified this though I don't do grid view. I do list view, but so I went to the grid view and rotated the crown and sure enough, you can also just, you know, use touch to move it up down right left. But yeah, this performs a zoom feature. But here's the other thing that I found out, Dave, is that so I was messing with this and I zoomed in on an app and then I zoomed in more. It like highlighted it somehow and I zoomed in more and it launched the app. So what? Oh, that's interesting. Interesting. I always thought it went back to the clock, but that's because I had the clock in the center. Huh. Yep. Fascinating. Center that app up and zoom in. You got it. Huh. Who knew? Well, very nice. I guess you figured it out. Yeah, there you go. There's a new thing we learned. All right. And then I think we got one more quick tip from Brian. Yeah, John? Yes. All right, on a recent episode, you discussed adjusting the sensitivity of the touchpad on the Siri remote or disabling the touchpad completely. I've got a quick tip for users that don't want to disable the touchpad but also want help with those annoying accidental occurrences when you accidentally fast forward or rewind. The back button on the remote will undo your accidental activation of the touchpad. If you accidentally hit the touchpad and your movie jumps ahead or backwards, hit the back button and the Apple TV will ignore the accidental activation and return you to the previous place in your movie. Oh, I'm going to have to learn that like in my hands because that like I always get all freaked out when that happens. And I I I've never thought to just breathe and hit the back button. Treating it like undo. Yeah, now the bad news in my case, Dave, is so I think I have a first generation remote. It doesn't have a back button. Yeah, a couple of listeners in our pre-show chat mentioned that if in if that's what you have, which would be the remote with the the full full width touchpad at the top of it, as opposed to the circular touchpad that's on the second gen and and later remotes, I guess, is is that if you swipe left across that whole pad at the top, it will perform the same undo operation. So OK, I thought I tried that. I'll try it again. Try I remember I remember I had one of those not the Siri remote, but I had, you know, with my first Apple TV, I had that style. And there was something about going edge to edge that was different than just swiping around in the middle. So it might be an edge to edge thing. I'm guessing here, if you folks know or if you try this feedback at Mackie cab dot com, let us know. We want to hear about feedback. Mackie cab dot com. I think I thought he said feedback at Mackie cab dot com. I tried. I tried real quickly on that, though. I don't think that works in all apps on the Apple TV. I tried it in channels and it didn't work for me. So it may just be in the Apple TV app itself. If you're watching Apple TV content, yes, I don't know. No, that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. Because different apps are going to respond to that. I mean, the back button command is it sounds like from what you're saying, it's not sent. It's not intercepted by the active player. It's sent to the app to decide what to do with it. Right. Interesting. OK. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That unfortunately, that logic makes sense to me. Yeah. So. Yeah. If only it weren't true. Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, the nice part is maybe just ask the developer of whichever apps you use to implement channels. It's supposedly pretty responsive. So they're super responsive. Yeah. So that would be especially if you point out like, hey, this is the way Apple deals with this. Can you adopt the same functionality? You know, that'd be nice. Yeah. And they'd have to figure out like because the back button should be the back button most of the time. It's just if you do an accident on the swipe, but how long after that accidental swipe does the back button, you know, stay in quote unquote, undo mode versus going back to regular mode? Apple tests the crap out of that stuff. And that's why we one of the reasons we really like Apple devices is because of that. So yeah, which they forgot to do with Ventura, as I recall. Yeah, go to last week's show. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we're testing it for them now. This is this is the beta period. Usually by the time it gets to point one, it's it's not quite as beta. E I did I did find one. I think I mentioned during the show that I was having some core audio jankiness with with with Ventura. And I realized at least some of it, but definitely not all of it. It was related to running a driver, I'll call it a virtual audio driver called Black Hole, which is a lot like Soundflower used to be. It's a lot like what Loopback is when Loopback first came out. It was the latency of it wasn't quite right. So I had to use Black Hole. Black Hole has not been updated for Ventura. The developer says that it's fine. I proved this morning that it is not fine. And so now I'm using Loopback for everything and that seems to be better. But there's still moments where core audio D like spikes and CPU usage that never happened before Ventura. So there's there's still there's still some of this going on. I don't I don't know. We'll see. Yeah, we'll get there. Hopefully Apple will get there. Yeah. All right. Let's do let's do some cool stuff found. Ben has been Ben's got another URL based, you know, app chooser picker thing for us. Right, John? Yeah. So. Thanks for your recent mentions of browser choosers. I've been using choosy for several years. I like that it offers rules to specify a browser based on the source app, destination, domain, etc. OK. Cool. Have you tried it? Do either of you guys use a browser picker? I do now. Yeah. I got I first had some problems with it. It's it's not intuitive. It's called open in, but it's available in set app. Yeah. So once I got it sorted out as to why it wasn't working. And you just have to dig around in the guts and play with it. And sure, there's probably some YouTube tutorials on it, that sort of thing. But I got it working. So now it's nice. It comes up and says, hey, which browser do you want? Or I can set it to work like when I go to StreamYard, I launch in Chrome. Yes. Right. So I don't accidentally launch StreamYard in Safari, which is a total disaster. It's a disaster. Exactly. Yeah. And it can it can get even worse. That's right. Yeah. I like it for the as we mentioned for clicking on a link to a Zoom meeting and having it open the Zoom app as opposed to the bonus page in Safari that says, do you want to open the Zoom app? It's like, yeah, man, my meeting started 30 seconds ago. I'm late, you know, right? So, yeah. But wasn't there now, isn't there something you have to do to get past that? Does choosey automatically do that? Yeah, yeah, because it well, I don't know about choosey. I use VELGA, V-E-L-J-A. That's the first one we mentioned in the recent crop of them. And VELGA has been great. Yeah, it's it does it. I've got it on all my Macs. I don't even think about it anymore. It's great. Well, and it's like, if I click a Google Meet link, I want to do those in in Edge because Safari sucks for that stuff. And, you know, it just goes. I don't even think it's it's it's forgotten about now. I can figure it, set it and forget it. It's Ronco and it's good. Yeah, and it really, really catches fish. And it really catches fish. That's right. Uh, OK. Listener Paul had he blew my mind this week. And maybe just maybe he'll blow yours too. So Paul writes, you guys need Cloudflare tunnels. He says a while back, I was fighting how to do backups between Synology with Hyperbackup and across different networks and all of that. And he says I ended up using zero tier. But now I know many folks use WireGuard or simply Tailscale to accomplish that. And that is the right way to do that. If you're creating your own private land that knows no boundaries is is what Tailscale does, right? It's magic. Well, now Paul has the magic for us. For the public, he says Cloudflare tunnels allows me to do similar things without opening up firewall parts for specific tasks or having to rely on the speed hits of other companies, servers. And he sent us a YouTube video that I've linked in the show notes for us all here. What Cloudflare tunnels does is you you install a like a little app on one device on your network. So if you have an always on server like a Mac or a distation or Linux box or whatever, you install their little thing and that deals with connecting you to the outside world, then you go and set up your tunnels. And this is all free on Cloudflare. I mean, you can pay for for more. But I think you get like 50 tunnels for free or something, which for if you're doing this for your home network. And then you go to Cloudflare and you attach what you have to have a domain because it's how this works. But then you can do like, you know, I haven't done this, but I could do, you know, Synology Drive dot MacGeek.com. No ports need to be added or anything. And I go put that in Cloudflare tunnels as the public address. And then I tell it, OK, point this to, you know, 192.168.1.5 on port five thousand one on my local network. And when you guys or anybody visits that URL, which doesn't exist. So it's they don't try it's going to fail. But if you once you when you visit Synology Drive dot MacGeek.com, if I had set up that tunnel, it would put you directly in touch with only that port on that device on my local network. So it's not like I'm exposing the device to the world, right? I don't have to do port forwarding. I don't even it can all be on it could be port four forty three for all I care. You know, it can do HTTPS Cloudflare handles the HTTPS for you. So it's basically being a reverse proxy. But you don't even have to know what a reverse proxy is. And it just it does it on the and it's Cloudflare. So, you know, they run half the internet nowadays. And so yeah, this blew me away. It's worth watching the little video to to see how it works. It's like a nine minute video or whatever. And you can on YouTube, you know, you can just like the podcast. You can watch it like one and a half speed. I highly recommend it. So there's another quick tip for you. But but yeah, so Pete asked the questions that I missed. And I've got the one question I have is so let's say that let's say that domain did exist. Sure. I were to get there. What are you limiting to one folder? Say no, no, I'm it's one service. So you if I didn't ask my question, right? If if I go there and you've pointed it to your disk drive, your Synology disk drive. Yep. And are you you opening your whole drive on that port there? Or just are you limiting it to a given folder on that drive? Right. So I Synology Drive was I should have said maybe Synology Office, right, because because that's that's an easier example without confusion. So yes, Synology Office, you'd point there and then it would only be Synology Office, you wouldn't be able to get to any of the other things that run on my disk station. But so it's by service, essentially. I mean, it's it think of it as like port forwarding, right? Because that's essentially what's happening here. It's just port forwarding that the user never even like they don't. They don't have to go to a specific port that you're then forwarding to another port on your network or whatever. You're not opening up the whole device to the internet. It only is seeing traffic from the land. It just so happens that this one thing it's really cool that and it's public. So it's like tail scale ish, but it's for public stuff. Now, if you don't tell anybody the URL, it's not public, you know, security by obscurity, right? But but that makes it easier for you to get into your network to any event that you can't get in for whatever reason. So yeah, it's a cool thing. I I yeah, he blew my mind. So it's I have a feeling this is going to be like tail scale that we talk about a bunch. So. Did you mess with Cloudflare tunnels at all, John? No. OK. All right. I've got a scale. So yeah, yeah, oh, tails. Yeah, yeah, a tail scale. That's that's a PFM pure magic. That's table stakes these days. Yep. Absolutely. If you haven't messed with tail scale, folks, highly recommend it. Super easy to install and get rolling. And then your devices are just on. I use tail scale on my local network now only because I don't have to change any URLs. I just use tail scale. You know, I don't and I don't even use IP addresses. I just use machine names because it's got that whole magic DNS thing. And so I just that's what I just use. And then it doesn't matter when I take my computer to Vegas next week. I point them at the thing and you're good to go. And you'll be. Yeah. Yeah, my head, my new Mac mini headless server. Yeah, right there. Just point to it from anywhere in the world. Point to it from anywhere as long as you're logged into tail scale. Yeah, it's amazing. It's amazing. I have a little bit of show and tell to talk about here. Easy Quest has this new. I will call it a travel hub. It's not necessarily travel. It could be you could you could use it in a permanent setting, which and I'll explain why I'm pointing that out. But it's called the USBC multimedia seven in one hub. And it's got a built in built in cable to it, which I like because that way, you know, you don't have to worry about losing your cable or anything, but it's a long enough cable. And and then it's got so it's got two USBA ports that are five gigabit apiece and then it's got one, two, three USBC ports, which are five gigabits apiece or one of them can be power delivery in the other direction. So this is where I say and then it's also got gigabit ethernet and HDMI. So you got two USBA ports, three USBC and one of the USBC is dual purpose. So if you are plugging this into, say, your Mac mini or your iMac that's just plugged in all the time, then that third USBC port is a five gigabit port. And you're good to go. If you put this in your bag with your laptop and you set it up, say, at the hotel at, you know, CES when you get there, then this USBC port, you can plug all of your stuff into it, including your power adapter. And now you've got your extra screen, your microphone, all that stuff plugged into this hub, you plug the hub into your laptop and then when you're ready to leave, you unplug the hub and walk out the door for the day. You wouldn't want to leave the hub behind, you know, for housekeeping to have to deal with, but, you know, when you after you leave and have to lost and found it. But but yeah, leave for the day. Everything set up. You're good to go. So it's from EasyQuest. It's the USBC multimedia seven in one hub and you can pre-order it today. It's shipping in January and it's 70 bucks. So I like it. I've seen only have the one USBC port and it's basically a pass through for power and it's so frustrating. It's like, I need more ports. I need I need the USBC ports. Yeah, I like the like the my my previous travel hub has been the OWC one because it's, you know, it's a reliable hub. I like theirs that has like that there it sort of curls the the cable in the bottom, but but, you know, it's only got the one USBC port. I need more of those nowadays. So yeah, exactly. Yeah. All right, you know, if you're like us when you're trying to find a cause for your symptoms, what you do is you start asking chat GPT, right? Because that's what we all do these days and you stumble down this rabbit hole full of like iterative stuff and you don't know what you're finding. 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Or you can use promo code MGG at checkout. Our thanks to Wildgrain for sponsoring this episode. All right. We talked recently about your headless Mac mini, Pete, that you just mentioned. Well, we have some more advice for you in terms of getting the screen to be the resolution you want, even though you don't have a screen connected. Listener Rob says there's a reason for this issue that you're having where the screen size you can't control. He says on Intel Mac mini is running headless. The GPU is not fully engaged, which limits your choice of pixel counts. You can activate the GPU and get access to more and bigger screen resolution options by tricking it using a monitor adapter. And he says I learned this trick from the folks at Mac mini Kolo because they have tons of headless minis there. And he recommends some sort of nerdy solutions for the the the dongle. But John, I think you you you and a couple of our listeners stumbled into some some sort of mainstream ones, if you will. Yes. So Craig told us about the from our friends at OWC, the newer tech headless Mac HDMI dummy plug. Cool. So makes a makes your Mac or whatever think that there's a monitor plug in. And any solutions, right? And that's it. It's that simple, huh? You just plug it. There's no like it's Ronco, set it and forget it. And it's understanding I want one, but I haven't got it yet. So I don't know. OK. OK. But it's supposed to be coming. And I was looking for it on Amazon. I thought I ordered it on Amazon. I don't see my order or I'd put it in the show. If I can find where I got it, I'll put it in the show notes. OK. But like you say, it's coming today. And yeah, you supposedly plug it in and it puts a certain amount of resistance across that plug and it tells the computer, hey, you're there. Yeah, you can choose more resolutions. So. Pete, I lost you there for a second. And that's the core audio stuff in Ventura because I pulled up the website for this. So I lost you for about about a second and a half there. So you said you just plug it in. Is that right? My understanding. Yeah, it's a little HDMI dummy plug plug it in in the back. And it puts a certain amount of resistance across whatever pins and it makes the computer think it's got a monitor on board. Yeah, so I'll see if I can find where I ordered it. And OK, yeah, cool. We've got the newer tech. Yeah, I was going to say, we've got the newer tech link in the. OK, in the show notes. But but if if if Amazon, yeah, it's it's eight dollars and 80 cents at Amazon. So that's where I got it then. That's the one. OK. Yeah, I will put that link in the show notes so that you folks can just go right there and and do it. So perfect. Amazing. That's great. Yeah. Eight bucks. OK, I see I this is what I love about this show is finding these little things that make a huge difference for some of us, not certainly not, but not all of us. But yeah, for some of us, if you're doing it, it matters immensely. And if you're not doing it, you don't care. Lastly, listener Robert, different from Rob shared some thoughts about this. And he says he was in that scenario once he plugged in a seven inch HDMI video monitor used for a video camera rig and using a magnifying magnifying glass got through Mac OS setup. He says, I don't think you can do setup without having a physical monitor attached. So he also recommends the Luna dongle, which is like sidecar for older Macs and is they created support specifically for using it with headless Mac minis. It's more expensive than the newer tech thing. But if you already have one or can use its other features, it's worth looking into. So, OK, yeah, we'll put a link to the Luna dongle in the in the show notes, too. That's that's yet another yet another thing from the Astropad folks. Yeah, cool, cool. Thanks for that, everybody. Yeah. So this week, well, there was there. We're trying to decide, folks, and you can help us. Who had a worse week? Last pass or Southwest Airlines? Maybe it's a worse month, right? But I want to start this conversation by answering a question from listener David, because I think a lot of people are going to be in this scenario. Last pass users primarily, but but perhaps even more beyond that, seeing about these hacks. And we'll talk about we'll dig into the last pass act. But you know us, we'd like to answer questions. So David says, I've been a Mac user for many decades and the cruft impact is real. I started out with one password and now use bit warden with pass keys, which sounds like a good idea. And it got me wondering at what point should I just start over and use iCloud Keychain, my iCloud Keychain is so far out of date, I literally get prompted with my parents' credentials on a certain website. I get keychain prompts and then have to shift to bit warden. My thought is, is there a way to just clean out, dump and start over with keychain and then rebuild it across all my devices with all my up to date credentials with what I have currently in bit warden or just reestablished with past past keys. I tried looking for something on how to clean out keychain, but I can't find the setting to do just that and not everything else. John, you dug into this a little bit. What did you find any any way to clear out iCloud Keychain? No, I did find something. So it sounds like what we want to do here is to get stuff from bit warden into keychain, right? Well, I think he wants to wipe out iCloud Keychain and then put the stuff from bit warden in so he doesn't want to just he's worried about the cruft. Now, I think and I'll do this here. But if I were to go into safari preferences and hopefully it doesn't stop the audio again when I do this. But I think in safari preferences would be the place to wipe out all those passwords is just go highlight all your passwords and hit the minus key. I mean, I think that would do it. And you could that sounds reasonable. Yeah. And you can export them there too. So you could that's sort of the first thing I would do is highlight all export all passwords. Actually, you don't even need to highlight them. You can export selected or you can export all. And then maybe from there you can even import. But I don't know, maybe not. You can import export. Yeah, you can import passwords with a CSV file from passwords in safari or from another password manager and I know one password can export as a CSV. My guess is bit warden can export as a CSV. So right. I mean, that would that would be the way because that way you're not going into keychain access and messing with all the other entries that aren't just your passwords for websites, right? But safari seems to be the place to do it. That's what I would do. I don't know. Did you find anything else? Yeah, and it's involved also. So I found a script here. Import from bit warden to a keychain over an Apple support and they actually have a two step process. So they're like, OK, first do something with Chrome and then do something with Safari and then it'll populate it within Safari. So why would you have to use Chrome? I wonder if this this thread this threads from May of this year. I wonder if if the import passwords feature is new in Safari. What version are we on 14 now? I want to say 16. Sorry. I wonder if that's new in Safari 16 or new as a new since May of this year because like I see no reason why you couldn't import the CSV into Safari. It literally says you can import a CSV. So I think that's the path I would take with it. And that's it. You know, there's some merit to this. iCloud Keychain has come a long way. And now supports two factor authentication. Obviously, you know, Safari supports pass keys as do some other browsers. As we head into that realm, we're not we're not there yet, but we will be. So that's not a terrible path. And it seems on the surface like a pretty straightforward path. I'm not going to say easy because you're going to want to. You're going to want to like spot check these and make sure that the passwords that you think you imported are passwords that you imported. But I don't know. I mean, it seems pretty straightforward. And then you're then you're in iCloud Keychain, which is iCloud Keychain. I mean, I don't know. Pete, I can hear the wheels turning in your head. I'm trying to. This gets deep, right? I mean, this is this is it's the key chain is interwoven into more than just Safari, obviously in Chrome. Is there not a key chain app in utilities? There is on the Mac. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. OK, so is he and you could you could go into key chain access to wipe out your your passwords, but there's more in the key chain than just your iCloud. Like then your website passwords, which is why I would do this in Safari because you don't want to wind up deleting stuff like all your airport network passwords, which are also in key chain. Or, you know, whatever else you might like, I mean, there's a ton of different categories and you could be safe about it and sort by categories and delete. But it depends on what you want a nuke and pave. I guess it depends. Yes. Yeah, exactly. I was trying to do a surgical strike here. Yeah. OK. Yeah. All right. That makes more sense to me then. All right. Well, yeah. So, you know, this, as I said, is is timely because of of the the the information we had. Well, I'm trying to I want to make sure we use the right terms because the updated information that we got from last past this week, the breach that they announced in August that was no big deal, it turns out kind of a big deal. John, you dug into this too. What it and I think I have a picture of it, but I think you dug more. What what did people what did hackers get? What's out there on the dark web being sold about? So they expose some personal information that they had on file, like your name, your address, your phone number. OK. And a few other pieces of information. I mean, they have they have a post, which I'll link to, of course. And looking at the data that was real, none of it really concerned me. It's like, well, so what? You got my email or you got my name or my address. I mean, that's all public information. So I mean, it could make me a target. I don't know. Well, wait, but wait, there's there's far more. Well, yeah. Well, here's yeah. So but here was the problem of what did get released is that whoever hacked them got vaults of people's passwords. And so it's bad. Now, the thing is having that just so just so I can paint the picture here and make sure I understand it, they this vault that they got or this series of vaults, they could they can cross reference it and say, OK, this vault that is encrypted. I believe you're going to dive into that for us is belongs to John F. Braun in Fairfield, Connecticut at this address with this phone number in this email. Yeah. Correct. That's what it sounds like. So it's not just that they have this blob of vaults. They know whose vault each of these is. Yeah, that's bad. OK, that's really what they don't have. Is your master password. So your vault is protected with a master password. If if they try to brute force hack your vault, depending on how good your master password is, that could take a while. Yeah, but if your master password sucks, as most people do. Come on in. Yep. And and it sucks like like. If your password is not one, the folks at one password obviously competitor, the last pass put out an article that sort of talks about how entropy is more important than length and entropy being randomness. And I know I'm glossing over lots of that. But, you know, the uppercase lowercase gibberish is far harder to guess than, you know, this exclamation point is dollar sign. My asterisk password period vault comma, right? Like even though that's got some special characters and maybe some upper and lower case, if you've got, you know, a password that's based on words, that's way easier for today's engines to crack. Where it gets even worse is they know that this password vault belongs to you. And so if they want to get into your vault, they aggregate all the other information they know about you. Your pets names that you put on Facebook, your family's names that are related to you, right? All of those things where you went to high school, your mother's main name is out there, right? So all of those things come together. And now your password might be easy for anyone to guess, let alone people that have the wherewithal to do this. Yeah. Yeah. So the advice that I've seen is make sure you have a good master password. Well, make sure you had a good master password. But since there's no time machine, make a better one. Well, yeah, I mean, that's good general advice. But for people who used last pass, I mean, I think the the advice is at the very least change 100 percent of your passwords. First, change your master password to something else like that's step one. And then change 100 percent of your master passwords. And in that process, if you're going to do that once, and that's a major pain in the neck, if you're going to do that once, maybe do it in a different password manager, right? I know you're not going to leave last pass, right? You're still a last pass user, John. Yes. And one other thing that you may want to consider. So I enabled this a while ago. So last pass has an authenticator, which is their multi-factor. Sure. Solution in that I can't unlock my vault unless I also provide a one time code that is sent to my phone. OK. So you want to consider adding two factor authentication, no matter what password manager you're using. If they are. So if you don't have access to your phone, how would you get into your last pass vault? Nope. So that's it. That's kind of the point. Yeah. But I mean, like it's a hardware token, if you will. Well, but is well, but the phone isn't a hardware token because because you can you can easily sim spoof somebody. And that's not the right word that the hackers use. But like your phone's not actually secure, especially SMS. Like that can be totally intercepted. But if they if you can't get that SMS message, there's no other way with last pass to unlock your vault. I find that hard to believe. I mean, it could be sim jacking, not that I'm aware of. Though they offer multiple. I was looking on their screen and they support other authenticators like Google and other ones. So you do have a choice if you do want to do multi factor authentication. But I mean, yeah, that that's kind of the point of two factor authentication. Right. I mean, yeah, if you don't have the device that provides the token, then yeah, you can't get in. All right. So I and I and I'm I'm not going to try and change your mind because it's nearly impossible. But however, knowing what you know and being in a position where you're responsible for the advice that you give to tens of thousands of people, the people that listen to this show, I'm going to ask you not what are you going to do? This could be a do as I say, don't do it as I do scenario. But what would you would you advise people to keep using one password? And I'm going to ask this question of all three of us, but I'll start with you. You mean last pass? Sorry. Thank you, Pete. Would you advise people to continue using last pass knowing what we know? Thank you, Pete. Thank goodness. No. OK. Yeah. Yeah. I if you're going to use a password to manager and you know, some of the commentary out there like Groober insulted me and lots of other people. But his advice was abandon ship. And if you keep using last pass, you're an idiot. And it's like, OK. I mean, he might be right. Well, right. Yeah. Thanks, John. Well, you know, he's he's this is how John Groober is. He he he likes to be a little bit holier than now. He doesn't soft sell things when he decides not to soft sell them. That's right. Yeah. I agree with Groober in in in sentiment. I don't know that I'd call people idiots. I would just call them, you know, needs more information. But because well, I mean, it's the reason I would say not to continue using last pass at this point is because of how they handled this. I mean, first of all, they're getting hacked left and right. And so there's a long history of this. But then there's the hey, it's August and we had a breach. But don't worry about it. Everything's going to be OK. It's not that big of a deal. And then, oh, hey, it's December. By the way, while you're all out, like, you know, distracted with Christmas and New Year's, we're just going to, by the way, tell you that, yeah, they have your vaults and if they have your pass. Yeah, I mean, that I don't like how they handled it. Yeah. I mean, they communicated this to their customers via email. And yeah. So I think, you know, I got one a while ago when the initial event and they're like, yes, they tuned. And then they updated the information, I think, in their blog. I don't think I got an email with the update. But yeah, I'm even worse. I'm with you in that the way they communicated this was poor and that if I didn't travel in certain circles, I would never know about it. That's the probably not know about it. Yeah, exactly. Yep. Yep. So with all this in mind, though, it really got me thinking about password managers in general because stored on the issue here. I mean, there's there's many layers of the issue. There's the way LastPass handled it. But then there is just the bare facts that. Your password vault is stored on LastPass servers. My password vault is currently stored on one password's servers. You know, it used to be that I could sync my one password vault via Dropbox like they didn't have their own thing. And instead of using Dropbox, I used my Synology Drive to sync my one password vault. And then I controlled that cloud. It wasn't on their servers. But now it is you have to use their stuff. And I'm not so happy about that with apples. You're using Apple's cloud to, you know, to to store your vault. Yes, it's stored and transmitted in an encrypted way. But it is stored over there on a computer I don't manage. I would love. And maybe there's a way. And if there is somebody tell me feedback at MackieCube.com. I would love to keep using one password because changing password managers is a pain in the neck, sort of. But maybe not as much of a pain in the neck as we thought, given what we just talked about a couple of minutes ago. However. Bitwarden is a password manager that you can store on there. So you can pay them and use their servers as your your password vault cloud. Or if you have a machine that you can run stuff on, like a disk station or a NAS of other of other brands or, you know, a Mac that's running all the time, you can, I think. Yeah, because you can do it in a Docker container. You can run Vaultwarden, which is the open source Bitwarden vault manager that you run on your your local, you know, network and you can have, you know, vaults shared or data shared between other users. So it's not like you're just thinking for yourself, you know, you can have passwords shared, which a lot of us do with our families and stuff now. And I think that's why one password had us move to their servers was so that we could, we could have multiple users log in and you can control permissions. You can do all that with Bitwarden. Now I have a Vaultwarden server setup that I set up years ago and I tried to import things into it and failed miserably and was like, yeah, that's it. But last night I thought, you know, it's still running. And so I cleared out the vault, which wasn't as easy as I would have liked it to be. Maybe I need to find an easier way. And I exported a one password export. And it turns out Vaultwarden's import has gotten better over the years and they can take not just a CSV, which certainly they can take, but they can take the one password backup format and slurp it in. So so maybe and it pulled in most, I will say, not everything, but like there's some stuff that's missing and I'm not sure why and I need to dig into that, but I might I might just move to Bitwarden and and, you know, control my own density. So evidently, Stacey Swingle in the in the comments somewhere here while we're doing this live Facebook, Facebook, thank you, says that they are still using one password with Dropbox syncing. But my guess is you can't share passwords with family members and things like that, because that's how that works. Take that maybe one password seven. Yeah, I don't know you can do it with one password eight. That's a good point. Yeah. But I, you know, the funny thing is, I don't think I consider myself semi tech savvy and I don't think I wouldn't pay any attention that that that vault with one password is in the cloud as well. That is incentive enough to leave it. You know, I'm sorry, because the advice I have, if I was using last pass, it would be run, don't walk away. It's easy for you to say because you're not using last pass. Now that being said, I am using one password and if I'm in the in the cloud with my vault, then that's done. That's over with. I will clear it out and I will run bit more. And I had used it once before, but I went back to one password because it was easier to do across with the whole family. And now I'm going to, you know, it'll take some research to get everybody up to speed and yes, lots, lots of those discussions you don't like to have with your wife. You know, why are you changing this? That sort of thing. But the other thing, the advice for obviously everybody who uses last pass is, and John, I'm guessing you've probably already done this, is gone and changed your passwords that are in that vault. So that's cracked my vault. It's it's no longer. No, no longer valid. No good to you, right? If they cracked your old vault from August or whenever that happened. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Change your passwords right away and then I did put on the I put the link in the show notes to grc.com slash haystack where, you know, Steve Gibson talks about how, you know, entropy is good, but also he he talks about using padding. So if you use a repeating series of two or three random symbols, you know, that sort of thing too, it it makes it more easy for your human brain to remember, but it makes it awfully difficult. If you if you have the ability to throw in a 32 character at 37 characters, I'll tell you right up front, 37 characters on my Gmail password. Go hack it. Good luck. And oh, by the way, I use tooth effect or authentication. So yeah, right. So even if they get that, yeah, yeah, right. Yeah. No, I I use a password for my one password vault that is completely random and it's long and it's gibberish. And you know what? After typing it for years, it is in my fingers, man. Like that's the last thing I'm going to forget before I die. I'm pretty sure like it, you know, it's just there. It's totally random and you could guess it, but it would take a lot of guesses. You know, like there's no pattern to it. It's not English. It's not any language that I know of. Maybe I've invented a language. I don't know. Go. Yeah. No, as is mine. It was randomly generated by one password at one point and I went, OK, I'm going to use that as my master password. Yeah. And it's. All right. So we're well, I'm going to pull the ripcord on this. But with one last question, John, we need to answer the question. Whose month was worse, last pass or Southwest Airlines? Just an answer. Probably Southwest since. From what I can tell, lots of people, more people were impacted or been attacked as far as I know. Oh, I don't think that's true. I think, I mean, there were a couple of thousand flights canceled. I think last pass goes way beyond that. OK, who had a worse month? From a public relations standpoint, I think because because last pass has been so quiet about it, I think I think Southwest is ticked off more people publicly up front right now. That's fair. But there's a lot of people out there I think that may be affected by the last pass debacle that don't even know it yet. Yeah, I think I think Southwest survives this this particular debacle. I'm not convinced that I think last pass has less of a chance of surviving. That's a good point. So yeah, so make sure you get backups of your passwords, because if last pass doesn't survive this and you do choose to continue using them, that may simply not be an option in the future. Yeah, so yeah. Yeah, all right. That's something that should be done no matter what password manager you're using a great sport every now and then. That's a great that's a great piece of advice. All right. Moving on to some of your questions. John, you want to start us with Gray? Gray says, I have a problem with messages on my M1 iMac running Mac OS 13.1. The issue predates the OS version. Messages fail to deliver texts as in the example in the screenshot attached. Both texts were sent to the same iPhone. The green bubble from the iMac, the blue message bubble from my iPhone 13 Pro. Running iOS 16.2. I have labeled the phone number as an iPhone in the contact card. I have tried unchecking the messages, service and iCloud on the Mac as well as signing in and out. It happens with several, but not all contacts, some of which have have iPhones, some Android phones. I was hoping the upgrade to Ventura would solve the problem, but not so much would appreciate a suggestion. And I made a suggestion whenever I had problems with messages. It's usually due to a configuration not being quite the same. So on iOS, looking settings, messages, send and receive and make sure the info be the cell phone number or email is selected. But probably more importantly for this, this case is there's also a start a new conversation from setting. And the same info is also on messages on the Mac is in messages, setting iMessage. Right. Oh, yeah. Good point. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like it. All right. And I suggest that that that wasn't it, but it pointed them in the right direction. So the configuration settings you alluded to were the same on my Mac and iPhone. But another setting on the iPhone caught my eye. Text message forwarding. And apparently that had to be enabled for his Mac was previously not on the list of machines in that category. Once he turned that on, that seemed to fix the problem. Yeah, yeah, that's for iMessage will work because iMessage is a, you know, data only protocol for lack of a better term. Whereas the SMS is it has to go through your phone. And so you need it to forward from your phone to your devices and you can pick which one. So, yeah, that's a great, great piece of advice. So, yeah, I like it. I like it. All right. Good stuff. I'm glad I'm glad that was able to get solved. Jeremy has a tip for for you, John, with your, well, for anyone that finds themselves in the position that you found yourself in with not being able to control your Mac that didn't have Bluetooth. Yes. So in the last couple of shows, there has been talk about having Bluetooth often problems with Bluetooth mice and keyboards. Listening to the ear and recap of iOS today, they mentioned universal control to be able to operate multiple computers with a single set of input devices. I wonder if you've tried that with an iPad that has a keyboard or pointing device connected. I tried it a bit today on my Mac mini running Vista. I mean, Ventura. Nicely done. And an older iPad Pro running 16.1. Unfortunately, I didn't have much luck with controls in either direction. And even the Apple support article on the feature doesn't appear to be completely updated for how Ventura actually works. I thought I would share this as a possible option. Okay. Yeah. There's universal control. Now, unfortunately, I was I was able to control my iPad from my Mac, but I wasn't able to go in the other direction because I don't have an iPad with a keyboard or pointing device. Yeah. But you have another Mac and can't universal control be used from Mac to Mac? I mean, I've had that problem when the Mac in the office on a different floor decides that its mouse and keyboard now control this one up here. I have no idea. Like it should put something on the screen that says, Hey, I transferred control to the other device because I've had this happen a couple of times and like was lost until probably months. I mean, I wasn't just sitting there for months trying to figure out how to work, but I would force reboot the machine and like all these things. And finally, once it was like, Hey, I have an idea. Oh, yeah. No, not. Yeah, I've done it from Mac to Mac as well. Actually, during one show, all of a sudden my cursor disappeared and I'm like, where'd it go? It went on my MacBook Pro, which is to my far left. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Dangerous. Dangerous. It should tell you when it's doing that. That's just that's my it's just my opinion. You know, I have another opinion that I'd like to share. And in fact, we created a group in or a channel or whatever you call it in our discord. Mac which is at macicab.com slash discord called fish shakes or MGG fish shakes. So carplay Apple Maps. I know you don't have carplay John, but Pete, I think you do, right? Okay. Pete's nodding. Yes, but his mic's muted. So I'm going to I'm going to let him fix that problem. But so you have to be on the stream yard page to unmute. Sorry. OK, so when I say I want to go home in Apple Maps, I get a dialogue presented to me by carplay that says alerts only or something else, whatever it is, go. I think it's audio. Yeah. Well, it implies full audio, right? It says alerts only or go. And it always gives me these two options. If I choose alerts only, then it doesn't tell me when I need to turn left and right or whatever. It just like, but I can see it on the screen, which is fine, whatever. Right. However, it sets maps in that mode until I take it out even days later. So if I turn off alerts or alerts are off because of this alerts only thing. And then I say, you know, I'm out and I say I want to go home again. And I get that dialogue that says alerts only or go. Those two buttons do exactly the same thing. This is very on the Apple like, and I can't believe it's still there. Because no matter if it's already in alerts only, if I hit go, it stays in alerts only. You'd think I as the user think when you present me with two options, one is is going to do something different than the other. And it should take me out of alerts only if I hit go because the other option is alerts only. I know you don't have an answer for this, but I don't. I could I could have sworn there were three buttons up there that when it was like alerts only. There is in the in the upper right, like once you're in, once you're in navigation mode, you can then go on the right and change it. I'm talking about when you are entering navigation mode and specifically to home. It gives you two options, alerts only or go. And well, if you're already with that in about an hour, then all right. Yeah, and I'll look at that and see what that is. Because the other thing I I've always left it in alerts only because my Apple watch taps me when I got a tough coming turn. Oh, I turn that off, man. That drives me crazy when I'm driving to have my watch tapping that way. I don't miss it. Don't only I don't I get it. No, I understand it. I'm not saying you're wrong. I it's like we all are different humans. Yeah, I do it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it drives me crazy when I when my wrist is tapping while I'm trying to drive. I don't know why such the thing. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Thank you for taking me. Thank you for my coming to my Ted talk. And thank you for letting me vent. Now that I've vented, John, we have Bob, which is he brings up something that sort of brings together sort of the the the answers from the question for Gray and Jeremy sort of topically. It's thematically related. Save me, John. Sure. So Bob says here is a complex trick for logging into multiple message accounts on the same Mac. No extra software needed. Summary. You're going to start a screen sharing session over an SSH tunnel to another account on your Mac. Uh, you can't normally screen share to your current Mac without some pustation. Otherwise, screen sharing will complain with the message you cannot control your own screen. Oh, yeah. However, if you use SSH to create a screen sharing tunnel, you'll be able to start a screen sharing session to another account on your Mac. And then he has some magic here that you can type in to the command line. And he's using port one, two, three, four, five. So the one, two, three, four, five in this is an arbitrary high number TCP IP port that you randomly pick. It can be anything, but I suggest the five digit number less than 65, 534. Hang on, hang on, hang on. You've lost everybody. I just want to make sure people understand there's an SSH command that you have to issue in order to create this tunnel back to your own computer. And we have put that SSH command in the show notes at mgg.fm slash 962. And, and yes, that port should be somewhere above 1024 and lower than 65, 534. So that you don't have to mess with root, but you'd go to the terminal and you do this. And then you would issue the next command that John's about to share that's also going to be pasted in the show notes. Right. And that would be vnc colon slash slash local host colon one, two, three, four, five, or whatever five digit number you just did in the last command. And you, you don't issue that at the terminal. You issue that by going to the finder in the goal menu and connect to server. And those instructions will also be in the show notes. And that connect to server dialogue is an interesting one because you, you can put lots of different things in there. Obviously, this is an example of using vnc. You could put an SMB URL to connect to an SMB server. If you still have an AFP server, you can put an AFP URL. You couldn't put an FTP URL in there. Although I think you only get read only for FTP. I don't think it lets you do writes. At least it didn't used to. I haven't tried it in a really long time, but yeah. So any more to share on that one, John? No, I think that pretty much does it. Fun stuff. I like that idea. And those SSH tunnels, I remember when I first used them, it felt like voodoo because it kind of is. But as, as John explained, you're just creating a, you're pointing back to your computer so that you can do things that your computer might not let you, you can log in as though you're coming from somewhere else. It's really what it, what it sort of, sort of does. I don't know. You want to take us to Barry? He's got a geek challenge for us, John. Which turns into a double geek challenge, I think. Yes. In Safari using Ventura, how do you get the name to show with the icons in the toolbar? I'm sure it's there somewhere. There used to be a checkbox that would toggle this. Well, I don't know. I couldn't find it. Yeah, it doesn't seem to be there, man. Why don't you found an article that basically says, sorry? Yeah. Since everybody's heard this now twice, I would just say to you, John, I think you're talking behind your pop filter because we're getting a lot of plosives in your, yep. But if you go into Safari and you go to view, customize toolbar, it shows you a toolbar with labels. And it's so that you know what these things do, but there's no way to get those labels back in the toolbar to see them. Or at least there's no menu item to get those labels back. What is there like a terminal command where you can issue defaults, write something to get those labels back? We don't know. Do you? I don't know. Feedback at MackieCab.com. That's where I would go with it. Feedback at MackieCab.com? I think that's where I would go. Why did they have it there or not in the other place? Right? Right? Yeah. Did you have something there, Pete? Sorry. No, I was just saying that's where I'd go. It was feedback at MackieCab.com. It's a good place to go. Tony has an interesting question that's sort of relevant. I mean, we're traveling. Some people are, you know, traveling soon. He says, I know you've talked about various data plans in some of the shows. I know Dave likes Mint. He says, but here's my situation. I live in Thailand and I'm going back to the US for about a month in February. I have a US number through Hushed. Hushed, you asked. We're going to come back to that because that's an accidental cool stuff found. Wait, Hushed? Hushed. Coming back. Yeah, okay. We'll come back. I promise. He says, the two people I talk to most have FaceTime, which is how we communicate now. I have an iPhone 12 so I can use eSims and dual sims and all that good stuff. He says, I don't think I'll need a lot of data since the people I'll be staying with have Wi-Fi. That said, I have no idea how much I would need. It would be mostly for communicating when I'm away from the home networks. I don't think I would be streaming much over cellular data. I'll be in California and Oregon if that matters. He says, I checked Mint Mobile, but it seems like they're focused on long-term plans. He says, I tried Consumer Cellular and that seems like a possibility. Do you have any thoughts or can you refer me to episodes that discuss this? Yeah, the thoughts would be the same regardless of where you're traveling. In fact, I would share these thoughts with someone in the U.S. who has run out of data for their current month on their current plan. And that thought is to use eSimDB. eSimDB lets you search for data and voice, but they're sort of focused on data, but they let you find voice plans too if you want. Anywhere in the world, and you can narrow it down by country or not, you can buy global plans, but you can certainly narrow it down to the U.S. Anytime we've talked about eSimDB, it's been from our perspective as U.S. people who have U.S. phone numbers and are traveling elsewhere. But eSimDB is location agnostic. It doesn't care. And so you can use eSimDB to find data plans in the U.S. as well, data only plans in the U.S. as well. And like I said, if you're a U.S. person like me, and if you run out of data halfway through the month because you wound up streaming or your podcast manager decided to download every episode over cellular data, even though you told it not to, then I would use eSimDB to find a two-week plan that has enough data to cover me and pay five bucks or whatever because it's going to be way cheaper than paying your carrier for the overage if you're on a data-limited plan with your carrier. So yeah, eSimDB is where I would go with that for sure. I don't know. Oh, that's great because the one time I ran over before I went to unlimited on Mint, it was kind of expensive for the amount of data you got. Exactly. They're not expensive for much, but that was kind of like, ooh, it's just cheaper to go to unlimited. Yeah, well, so that's what we've done because we've had a couple of incidents like that where somebody just, I mean, it happens, right? You run up against what you've paid for and it's like, okay, well, I could pay them for more or my phone does dual sims. I was like, pfft, just do what I would do if I was traveling somewhere else. Yeah, exactly. I mean, obviously we're going to CES. My Mint plan will work there and I've got plenty of data left for the month that I'm in. But then in January, I'm going to Italy for a little bit. And then in February, I'm going to Mexico for a little bit. And so I started looking at plans. I was like, wait a minute, I shouldn't buy two separate plans for this. I think there might be a global plan that's cheaper than buying country-specific data, as long as it lasts long enough. But I think I found one through eSimDB that's like a 365-day plan. And then I started thinking, maybe this is a good thing to do every year, because I think I can get like, I don't know, 15 or 20 gigs of data for 365 days for like, it was like 30 bucks maybe? So it's like, should I just do that every year? And then, and no matter, and it's a global plan. So no matter where I travel, I just use that and then I have to make sure I turn it off because it would also work in the U.S., but I don't want to burn it here. But it is that sort of overflow data if I wind up running against my limit. Like, I don't know, the gears are turning. The light bulb is starting to fizzle. There's something happening here. I don't know, it seems like if you travel international a little bit, it might be worth just doing a 365-day plan. So I got to look deeper. I got to make sure that I got to do the math. If I look at that, I've been using that little MyFi thing for my international data. But yeah, check eSIMDB for a 365-day plan. Yeah, absolutely. How hard is it to turn? I haven't fudged with it in a long time. How hard is it to turn on and off that second SIM? Oh my gosh. So first of all, it's in settings, I assume. It is in setting cellular. You won't see it until you have a second SIM installed. Got it. But you can set it, if your plan is only good for Europe, let's say, then you can set it to just not Rome and leave it on all the time. And it won't work here in the US. It will work when you're in Europe. You can set mint to not Rome. Mint won't work when you're in Europe. So depending on how you do it, it can just be automatic. You can set, I think, I know you can set, I don't think you can set per app, which app uses which one, but you might be able to. There's something in shortcuts, too. You could probably geolocate. Yeah, and you just go and turn it off. I mean, you'll see it at the top of your phone that there's the two things, and it'll tell you which one it's on. So it's pretty straightforward. But you're right, shortcuts might be geolocation shortcut. I like these ideas. This is good. Hey, we're almost out of time, but I promised that we would talk about hushed which is essentially this cool stuff found that Tony talked about. It's a second phone number app, and they call it a temporary and second phone number app for data calling, texting, Wi-Fi. You download the hushed app. They have pre-paid plans. It started like two bucks a month, and they have bundled minutes and SMS for calling and texting. Yeah, so it's a pretty cool thing, and you get an actual number that's yours for this, which is pretty cool. That's slick. Right? Yeah. And I was, I'm going to circle back to something else real quick, just because you mentioned it and you said you didn't know. You can FTP phone finder, but you are correct. It is read-only. Good to know. Okay. All right. All right. I'll keep on using transmit for my FTP-ing needs. I guess I got to put transmit in the show notes now. See? There you go. Oh, it's good. I won't mention Forklift. Oh, no. Turns out Forklift is now also in the show notes. I definitely won't mention it. Sorry. Forklift from binary. How fast can you type? Well, you know, I can type pretty fast. Yeah, there you go. Yeah. All right, but I am going to pull the ripcord on this. Now, fun bringing the band in. John, what FTP client do you use? Cyberduck? Really? Is that still a thing? I didn't even know that was a thing. I used to when I had those problems with Forklift sometime then. I used Cyberduck and it worked good. Really? Is that it? Cyberduck.io? Am I linking to the right thing here? I think that's correct. It's a Libre server and cloud storage browser for Mac Windows with support for FTP. Oh, that's FTP. Amazon S3. Yeah, sure. There you go. What is a Libre server? Oh, isn't this nice? I just tried to launch it. Cyberduck is damaged and can't be open. Well, maybe it doesn't like Ventura. Personal server. Libre servers, small servers. It allows you to run your own internet services independently. I don't know what that's all about. But anyway, here we are at the end. Thanks for hanging out with us, everybody. Thanks. I went to launch Cyberduck. Sorry, Dave didn't mean to interrupt. I went to launch Cyberduck and it says a new version's available. All right, good to know. All right, I'm done. I'm done talking. No, but that tells me that you don't run MacUpdater, which you should be running. Or I hate to say the word should, which I highly recommend we all run because it keeps all your stuff up to date so that those apps that you don't run but once a year are updated when you run them as opposed to it telling you, hey, I'm way out of date. I'm not going to work. I'm not going to clean my Mac was doing that for me in the background. See, clean my Mac. All right. That's it. I'm hitting the thing. That's it. We're done. Please check out our sponsors. At, well, go to machekeup.com slash sponsors. That's really the best way to get there. Zoc.com slash MGG and wildgrain.com slash MGG. We had some of their bread again last night. And it's really good. Fun stuff. Happy New Year, everybody. Happy New Year. We might record one from CES. We don't know. But we'll certainly be back on the night. John, you've been quiet. I hope nothing happened to you. Do you have some advice for people? The advice that I have for all of you, except you, is don't get caught.