 Wanli kwa kwa maide dan wanini kwa wamaa pdangini wa wanini, mehalu na waka kwa matawe haan. Awa kwa kiwa,kinaya kwa k★yi waka waka? Yosu waka waka maiga, kwa waka maiga maiga, How do you differentiate, all separate, work at home and work at the office? Is it possible? Do you subscribe to this? I'm joined by Emma Jerry, she is a media personality and someone who has at least been on the show for so long. Karibusana Emma, it has been a while. Thank you. I'm also joined by David Aliawa, a TV anchor and an actor and also a media personality. Karibusana David. Thank you. Na shukuru sana. Also has been with us for quite some time, ladies and gentlemen. It's been a pleasure. Na jwe emekawi sana since we last had the two of you. So I know we shall have a good show. Wow. Remember the broadcasting live from the Kenya Broadcasting Corporation here in Nairobi, Kenya. We are also live on our website at kbc.co.ke. That is www.kbc.co.ke. And sure that you give us your take in regards to this, do you subscribe to it? Do you agree? Is it okay for you to date your co-worker? A manager and a member, Parle Chimi. Or a manager mewa mezaki. Manager vs manager. Is it okay? Do you subscribe to it? Is it a cause to worry? Does it have any probability of causing problems in the institution or in the organization? The hashtag is part of Shown Twitter at Ram Aguko and at Y254 channel. Haters up also on our Facebook platform, Y254 is where you can find us you shall read or sample your feedback as you continue with this show. This is power top. Let's start. I can say yes and also I can say no. Why yes why no? Because everything has pros and cons, that's what I believe in. They are relationships that have worked, then that have not worked. So it depends I think with the person ya eno, vende ga locha kuni because there are some jobs that if you get to a kawaka, it is going to be hard especially let's say the art industry, everyone understand that he is in the industry an actor may be dating an actor, Sometimes na kweanga kazi So you say it depends on the place where you work So for some places is unknown, for some places is a yes Some places it can't work, some places it can't work It will be so hard Like in film Ya, that's a good example, like for me, you know, I'm talking this out of experience, you know. But you're not also, I hate her page, Emanjery, Sidio. Yes, Emanjery. But what I find, there's this kid that I saw during the week, was during the week, and she does some very fine acting. Thank you. So, you cannot date a fellow actor. I did that mistake once, and I will never do that mistake again. And I really like to hear that story. Aliwa, is it true that in this particular industry, let's just say, Adra Kwaifil, generalism, in the media industry, is it okay for a media personality to date another fellow media personality, and do you agree with Ema that it is quite difficult, especially even in the film industry? Kwaifil does not deserve my tattoo, sir. Very dangerous, very, very dangerous. Why? To me, it's first of all dangerous, that's the one. It should be very, very strong, dangerous. But of course, talk about dating. What is dating? Because maybe are we looking at a dating, or maybe I came in married. No, melewa, I came in married. Because we are aware of media personalities who are even hosting a show as husband and wife. And it's working. I don't know if it's working. Maybe they can tell us. I think there is working, but because it's a bit a different thing. It's a marriage. That's a marriage of the end of the day. They have come with it. We're talking about dating whereby maybe me and Ema, if you try to define dating is, you're trying to see someone with a specific intention either to, at the end of the day, have a chemistry or something. Mostly maybe you're talking about the opposite sex. At work is a bit dangerous. It might have a pro and con, but it's not an easy one. Mostly you find that people say, That's a placid. It's a no-no God. God has his own. As she's saying, acting, hey, very few. Have you tried? Very few. No, no. I have not tried. I have not tried. The intention of the product is that they have tried. The intention of the product is that they have tried. Because there are things, maybe as you're moving on. But to me, from the offsets, it is a no. But if it's a yes, then how do you go about the yes? Because most of the companies maybe have, the companies don't really have a specific, maybe rules, regulations about those, maybe explicit whatever policies on this, that they just leave it because they don't know how to tackle it. But you know, it's in public domain that even in the police right now, there's a rule. They have been put that down. The IG said that he has restricted. Ya, there's no, you can't date or have a relationship with someone. It's purely the worst need somebody reporting to. I'm a boss where I come. So maybe I'll be talking about that. There was a time, I don't know if you guys have seen this meme online, when you refuse to date your producer. You said you refuse to date. Ya, I swear. I'm so a kibob because I know a kwaia. I know a kibob. I know a kwaia. I wonder how complex is it. Is it difficult? Let's say you have developed feelings for each other. Is it just too difficult to remain professional? This is the workplace, let us be professional. But when we go home, let us be different. That's the question maybe for myself. Let me tell you. Is it a case of one, who will drift away? Who will drift from the plan with plan? Is it the chick or the guy? Sometimes I feel I'm madem. I think this one we cannot blame anyone. I think this is a two way thing. An example is, I was dating this guy. The guy was giving the story. He was also acting. I got a deal of a movie. I said, why can't we act together? I'm a big fan of soap operas. How cute. You know what I mean? And you can get a soap smingi. Mama inacta, they end up to be couples. Actually many of them are even married. So I got to like Manzeh, Indosa, Future. So we will not... Goal is it? No, these are the goals. So I can suck from your movie. I'm telling you that it was the hardest. I can tell you. Because now, in this movie, it's not the same as before. I'm madem and I'm madem. The director told me, Emma, you need to decide whether you want to be in this movie or not. Men, I quit. It's as a motion. It's not like that. Because I feel, because after I took a shoot, he said he was going to catch me. So for me, I'm his work. I'm his work. I told myself, I will find it difficult to get an actor. Because I want to come to me again. No, no, no, ma'am. It's something I'm telling you. But for Emma's story, she found it difficult kuonam tu mingine being in a compromising position. And then the other person, and then again, the other person pia, and I take you at the advantage, as soon as I catch you, I want to fly me. But why can't you just see that that's just being possible? I tried day one and day two, day three, I could not. If you're going, like now, ask the motion or the acting. We direct emotions. Emotions. And you cannot cheat every day. There are things you can cheat, professional, but you cannot cheat some things. We are so free that sometimes it's so hard. Like now, I'm a director. I would direct a romantic scene. Sometime I'd encourage a science girl and maybe she can't give me what I want. So I need to tell her, you're beautiful. I need to do say those things. I feel akue. You look beautiful. You look good. So I want you to go with that scene and then this girl you're passionate to me. These are emotional things and emotional things that to me I believe if you can, try to avoid it at work. Like I'm a sisi kutu ni baya san. It's to baya san, kali san. Should we just say, even coming out of the industry of media and film and acting generally, we've seen managers creating their co-workers and even marrying. It has worked. But I think also the motive matters a lot because there are people who will date whoever they want to date because they are after something. I know people who have slept with people for them to get a promotion. So it depends also with the motive of what you're doing that. Also there are relationships that they can work. Maybe when you're talking about colleagues it can work. But it needs a lot of discipline. Discipline. Because you need to know at work and when it's our own thing. That's why many companies right now they don't allow dating. If you have to date with the only one of you has to go because they know the consequences of people dating. Because I don't even have to work at their job. Let's say maybe the camera won't be able to see what's going on. Because I don't have feelings for Zangumbaya. I'm co-hosting a show with my partner. I saw one. In Zambia and so there are couples and before the cameras roll but she hasn't come yet. Well, I don't know. I don't know what to say. I don't know. The guy went. It's dangerous. The guy went. It was asking about because their money is quacha. You had to see how many quachas. 19 quachas I gave you anyway. Then you went live because I'm at today's 19 of quacha. It was dying psychologically. It brings a lot of problems. Let me get to this particular point. You are co-workers you're dating, you're together. How do you separate your social life from your public life? We've seen instances where you've had media personalities who are having issues, private issues but it is a conversation for the public. Everyone knows that this person broke up with this person. Everyone knows that this particular guy has a baby mama somewhere. It is in the public domain. Is it okay? And how do you separate that? Because at the end of the day you are still working together. So one of course a bit before we answer you this relationship sometimes they affect productivity at work because of maybe some few things are you able to put work as work and then that relationship as a relationship. So work as work professionalism which one comes first but mostly you find that these relationships sometimes they come and erode when a traitor goes into overlap overlap and become one thing and then like now if they boss and the junior you enable maybe sometime to communicate like doctor about acting I've been a point whereby there was an actor I had and of course the guy went ahead to date another lady So there was this day now to do a run what you call runs now after you guys have done your rehearsal let's do the runs but the run is you know you're performing it's just like a pre or pre before the event before the event and so this day is it public is it public or it just amongst the surf as actors as actors just for us before now you go public usually have of course the processes of acting after the audition rehearsals then to this day that you just have a run for you guys to see when how to correct and so this guy then the moment now came there and of course this guy is not acting professional but is now acting for the lady to see so unfortunately now in between lines kipote aki kuja anashira and the girl is there then the girl was harsh ikuni ni and this guy is seeing the person who is almost keme ni is the chick the guy started crying and left the rehearsal running and went on and never came back again does the chick know that he had such intentions I don't know but mostly it's something it's emotional things sometimes I do something because I want to I want always to see me as the king I know it all when it comes to maybe guys I have to give views I'll give my views to please her yes maybe aside she'll be saying you are the king but what about the day I'll either be defeated or I'm the one now you brought in another aspect and okay let me come to you Emma that question I don't know if you want to answer the separation of public and social because you brought in another aspect of it but how do you separate that issue of social life or let's say public life from private life I think that requires some self-discipline first of all you need to accept who you are for example I need to know the Emma at home the Emma in church and the Emma acting so the problem is many people take their professionalism at home other people take their social lives at work so you need to to be so disciplined for you to know when to do what as he has said the moment we bring our social life at work we can't do anything if you are dating the manager definitely I won't be working I mean if you are a manager I mean if you are a manager I will do I will do it so if you are a manager I will do it at the end of the day I will do it and you will be the manager so you end up messing up we've seen instances where because I'm dating the boss I'm untouchable so this person gets off days salariakai pay na kat na kujiku wa fani fani figures in a blockchain na kwa katoonsapu kidogo na some smiley faces apu how then should we promote work ethics by the way mene kumbusha juzi I think like 2 weeks ago I went to a certain site to the same anigani nikenda apu so and I was just watching people me niki naka kwa kwa seti nini kwa kwa kwa yosetitena I love keeping my space nangali so I was looking at how people are working how people are shooting how people are doing things I later came to know that one of the almost the main actors wa yo progi and at that one of the actors so the ladies na ya koju na the chalia kochini but how ways the juwa because when it comes to work u chalia na respect u denkama when it boosts up so and I'm respect and I really loved that like it was simply because kopa leju and I know you we are in love omatuna date now I expect you to treat me spesio kuli kwa lewa se wengine now that's where the problem comes in I believe to not have to respect job but most ladies like that I like to ignore anu ala mademone wa fikiri in attitude honestly women women have this attitude that's the truth women actually mademone sachida mademone but then you come okona demo na date maybe you say maybe a kajina mahali so you always go flos na kwa chakwa na date garagariya flaniya but it's the young girl it's the young girl it's the truth it's the truth me na kwa na demo na Ram Ram gani u lewa wawai 2 5 4 so simply because you have a name somewhere simply because people know you so na na flos na but then mademone we are in love mademone I wonder is it ok to show public display of affection ah I'll use a lawyer this is a very prominent lawyer in this country dates or is married to a very prominent lady who is a lawyer but most when they are never in public you can't even know about them but it's very few times you know about that this person is married is married to this person to me believe the thing about public where exactly do you go public when do you want to go public is it a continuous thing that I'm posting you no those kind of things you show posters IG no no no kama mikrana kufisi kuna pali you still ignore what you are talking about about work you know workplace first of all this envy this envy that will happen there guys how guys are looking at us this person just want just good friends I'm dating Emma but Emma has a good friend in Ram how do you feel about that at the end of the day that's why now the emotional bit comes in at the end of the day sometimes it erodes what you call professionalism because maybe you are unable to just allow Emma to talk to Ram getting some other companies they say the best professional way to do it if I'm dating let me announce it publicly to everybody they know for the offset this person let my bosses know so the bosses can look at their policy and say now how do you tackle this one maybe I shift Emma to another department or you choose between work and relationship so one of you has to go because the moment it's hidden where we usually have it wrong is when we hide it when we hide it becomes a gossip thing nimi evo evo but when it's public and then you guys also maybe do it professionally you can and I want us to take a short break but after that break we'll answer this particular question what do you do you guys you've just been working together no but someone is developing feelings for the other how do you settle it you are a lady you've seen the way this guy bosses people around and it it is something for you so much Emma you are a guy you've seen the way this lady is coming into the office with the heels and the dress code and everything you're developing feelings for each other how do you do it nani job let's take that break we'll be back in a bit after that we'll answer that question the hashtag is powertuck show on twitter make sure to give us your tech and your comments is it okay to date a kowaka mida liwa and the Emanjiri right chain studio let's take this break we'll be back in a bit keep it Y254 this is power talk Y254 imagine this is power talk this is Y254 my name is Ram Magukwa Ifarali you're just joining us you're just dying for the next side of the conversation right here it's all about dating and relationships is it okay to date a kowaka and many people are already giving in their feedback on facebook I just want to read a sample just but a few nisume tumbili tatu hivita netano ilitweza kwendalia remember at the end of the day it's all about determining whether it's okay to date a kowaka do you subscribe to it do you believe that it is possible to date a kowaka and the relationship still remains stable which one will crumble will the relationship work or with the workplace work in some institutions it is forbidden in others it is still okay is it a go, a no go zone yei or nei lauli laser nasema totally relating nastoria ema when a guy has a romantic scene with another girl and she is and his chick majabu Ram Nakwambia okay so when the boss does when the boss dates the younger it's harder when you're on the same level it needs next level discipline anyway majabu Ram Nakwambia achiawa penzi achia ni ambieserikali nipe kazi lauli peace out peace out don't enjoy it nasema if you date a kowaka it will be a very boring thing you're always together if you date you start seeing each others weaknesses that you should see when in marriage nasema menzake kama barua kus you are seeing everything they are doing whether a person is lazy the way he or she dresses at times you might be tempted to get attracted to other people up there kus uh huyu hapa always you have to miss you can imagine always together on a daily basis and in marriage full time better stay away we meet when we plan or talk over the phone wow wow wow kiki quencho nasema are waiting for this topic anxiously thank you so thank you very much kiki dude muma where dude am I post kidding in the rafwa pv ahaha nasema don't even imagine dating a kowaka in a place where you work there are very many areas where each is assigned to work say your rank is higher than your wife and you need a delegate duty and ensure that the work is done efficiently do you think this work will be taken seriously and that's the question muli kusana kwa nyumba alafu your boss could be your wife or your boss is your husband amikumbu fanyakitu will they take you seriously you know ahum nasema I would rather say no this will affect the performance I don't think it is a right to date a kowaka love and work can't go together salimia liwa pokesa lam kutuka duk na san tizana is it will they take you seriously can you take if your wife is given you orders will they take you seriously yes professionally you take it serious because I have a job when you have a job when you have a job when you have a job I am your salmon your salmon and you know you are the man of the house when you have a salmon when you have a job you have a salmon but to me maybe a thing also we need to talk about the positive bit positive bit of it can you accept to be bossed around by your boss who is your husband salimia liwa kutuka dukia kini futa job nian tadi pa bills pekiak ahum fire me at your own risk no no sir I will take advantage definitely I will take advantage so fire me at your own risk but to me I think it's beautiful it's beautiful we come up together jibriel drake nasama I don't say any problem in dating a kowaka as long as you have both set your priorities right that's a good point that's a good point yes um Cynthia Mbisha nasama following silently aliwa peres alamu zangu pokes alamu troka sindi alamu 20 pokes aliwa kuni wewa are you dating a kowaka now let's continue we have the issue of developing feelings for each other what do you do you like this guy you like how he does his things around the office you like how she does her things around the office what do you do Emma kuna piya reality ok, raminisha inokim say if a system has jai ok, there are in certain you know women we normally have those dream men in our head yeah every woman has that dream man in their head so sometimes maybe you are working with someone kuna enum say anaka potential and then sometimes men sometimes they are selfish ukujwa kani meza kukulai nai piya kuni treat naka certain some ideas like so na piya ni meza mako yo story but again I think also men also love hardworking women so maybe kuna maybe niko job I am just busy doing my thing na kuna budi meza koto like Emma good job ei kama numata kua like ei ei we will see mind pair so it is very possible because men are driven by what they see women are driven by what they hear so utuna me ni mo hardworking ukujwa kuni chawacha ei manze na mako ei unawaking ni ni ni ni so whatever you are telling me ina that could get you know the good part of me so I am like wow this guy kumbe we can work so it is very possible do you tell your boss that hey boss I think I am developing feelings for this lady here na una vajana jihana kufisi amo yusikutari wako I will tell you I will tell you I will tell you na una kana if you are going to report maybe just report straight that's how I see me I will tell you see it is that na una kama na I know na una kama na kusana na kusana you will be fired but to me like now of course there is a place where niko na kachia of land in place and I have my this guy is coming and work together one of the things I say of course in a setup whereby maybe many is almost an obvious thing that may be one or two feelings will be there actors may be there are different levels of acting where I am is almost like an academy where guys are just starting fresh acting and fresh acting where we are there are things we do to cut some of these things there are games we play we talk about concentration games and those kind of things because when you are sitting like this if you have those young people una patahu ya kuna feeding and then you are going to meet on stage how do you cut all this because there are some other other intense situation or characters maybe to these two people are going to meet and those kind of things bearing in mind that some of these guys are coming in they are still dating some other people so how do you put it so professional that they are still maintaining their other relationship and also come here and see this as work so I believe it's the process that maybe companies should put like now I use a lot of talk I tell them what have they experienced those kind of things so I don't even know now I don't make decisions but if to me I have a feeling for somebody I think continuously I have put something in my mind I shall give myself two years which is a long time I have a feeling I don't want for two years two years I have a feeling for two years that's me two that's me two years and I am telling you what we are going to do in two years I will say I love LL really? two years I am telling you two years that's me that's me maybe I need to change it but that's me that's how I have been able to survive I think you should in my in my in my field so I have a feeling for I treat her well and everything I try to maintain everything my feeling is it just infatuation and those kind of things two years then she'll wuka make mistakes and everything for two years ha it was a mint so you need to moja you need to moja too we are at a date you need to pay attention and I am so much and I am watching you for a month if within those two years she will say it's not easy and she will say what if within those two years after after like a year or so she gets someone else someone else it was a mint it was a mint really? it has helped me to be very professional in my work I don't know we have some sub-ladies they are working we have a client you are good looking good and so they get bored let me give another scenario let me give another scenario here we have an instance where this particular lady at work is has attracted the attention of two gentlemen now these two gentlemen come to realize they come to see and try to find out this lady this lady but at the same time another person is interested in her how should you conduct yourself knowing that my wife or my girlfriend or my fiancée someone that is my colleague is interested in her they are going for road trips they are going for trips for meetings it could be workshops how do I conduct myself in a disciplined way and not break things out of proportion okay I think when you say love is something that you cannot control if someone loves you you can't tell them stop loving me but I think here what happens is the commitment is what is what is going to talk let me tell you the truth Ram when I call and ask for a date I don't know if it's true or not at the same time but I tell him I don't know if he is interested in me or not I don't know if he is interested in me I say I am a love rocker there is this there is this between the three there is a man who is a bum because he is a Pasi he is a Pasi he is a Kuhanga he is a class M so he is a Pasi he has a mission he goes to Dubai so I go to Dubai so I follow my head kwa mende kati kajin na layesu na kupenda So I was so confused by the way I was even telling my ma'am, yes ma'am Sabi tino has wadatu samina dunini Onage Na wadate, wea kimeneza kupika simu umigna na pika So ni kwa na wangena wa wadate So ni kwa like, hey, sisa ya pante jaguwa aje And all of them, kwa ni kwa na kawako perfect Yes, or kwa na kawako perfect Hey manze, kwa kwa serious by the way Ni kwa manze kumisik Kwa na nashinu sasa wu do I accept What do I let go So manze, I had to make Like kwa mbe to God, you know what Mimi hii story, ina kwangu mu kwangu So ni lembe a God Between these three guys Kwa manze, awatu na saywa poa Whoever is not meant for me Kwa mbe a God, whoever is not meant for me Was ni called the next one month And you know what The two of them I never called It was only one who called And that one Yes, I'm telling you But I'm telling you the truth Actually I was talking to my mam last week And she was telling me It was good you said that Because you'd have made the mistake of your life Onaget Kwa ni kwa driver na emotions Ni naka lewa, hey umse na naka doobs Umse na naka ministry wapi Hey manze that's what I want You know kumina taka But siku juwa Siku juwa maybe If I would have gone to that direction I would have made the mistake of my life I later came to realize This very guy that I was Like almost going crazy for He had another chick So no na You are making me question the kind of prayers I make No, well if I'm thinking Na bidi manze wakona first Nika na fahombe go on Kama siye asimi pige Ako handi kama bidi Ya, but I'm telling you the truth It works Mi naka jobs by them you pray Nwa mbe a God God no kama wajio ijjobit na iti angori Take that job away Mi naka job mi u pray Ijjob God Kama ijjob kama wajia Maybe it won't help me God take it away And it works for me It works for me Whatever Point You don't know where you meet your Yes In the camps So mostly You must put prayers If you are a serious person Very serious person There's this guy in your office That is interested in your wife Nwa na wama baya kabisa Nwa tia na heba I want to do that I want to do that I want to do that Anapike bibi a kusiku na onakan Now I won't really Now depends on how I'm going to tackle this one Ineza kwa nimi nilwa jama Attack kwa na fact that this lady Naka na Naka na If you're working to the date So maybe I need to tackle professionally But maybe talking to my wife And also maybe If I'm true Talk to the guy Because his feelings Ni feelings tunde na msu mboa Asma tuonganisha a nekwa Zere mba kupigi a na We come of age kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa bwa na But I tell you what una pigana vita happen je because you've seen instances where aliyua niveaua hwa maqwa paali you realize that there is this guy in the office who's eyeing your woman you get them fired Yeah those are wicked people Those are wicked yeah those are wickedness That's weak Dating a kawakwa, is it okay to date a kawakwa? Giving it another example, you've heard it all over. I believe you have. When they say that in every workplace, you must have those people who are called office, they have office relationships. In every office, you must have those people who are called office, they have departments. You must have branches of relationships. Like, let's say in KBC here, you'll find that there is this person who you must have a relationship with. Even though you are having a husband or wife back in the house. In acting, there will always be that particular person that you are kind of dating or that boyfriend. But it works in every institution, in every industry. Is it true? You've seen that, those things are around. It's true because sometimes, just like the secretary thing. Yeah, the secretary thing, both are the secretary. Maybe because the wife put him to a fund, you come and maybe she appreciates me. Actually, yeah. I'm saying if you are true to your love, then some of these things you need to just avoid them. No, no. Even sometimes you say like pastors, now I am married to one wife. You declare your status as early as possible so that guys can be able to prevent some other things. So to me, on that kind of path, is about how discipline, professional, and you talk about godly you are to this, and commit to this marriage or this relationship. Because now what you're talking about is an office. It's kind of like cheating, do you say? That's cheating, that's not even dating. That's even off topic. That's not even dating. That is in high places. Which is just an off thing at the end of the day, not acceptable. But now if you talk about maybe an office, to me I want to also look at the positive bit of it. But positive bit of it, is it positive? Me I believe this is a positivity. If you guys are able to maintain the professionalism that will not affect your work and affect the other colleague right now. It all circumnavigates around if you are professional. Yes, if I'm the boss when I'm giving maybe direction something, you are doing it as the rest of the people, then I don't have a problem. But maybe the moment you have one preference, that's where the problem comes in. When you have one preference, and yet because I need to tell you that where I am, I'll make a decision at the same time, I'll be fine. I want to move on to something else, yet another example. How do you respect the fact that that is my partner, but my partner also has other friends? Me, me niku kofi sindio, but I know what kind of a meeting they are meeting now, I don't need to supervise my partner. I don't need to always keep an eye on her to know who is she talking to, who is she having, who is she flirting with. The point is trust. I think peer insecurities, you know there are people who have insecurities, but I'm telling the truth, if you know your man, if you know your woman, you will never ever, like if you trust them, you will never have a problem with them. Like for me, I have a boyfriend, you know him, but I have a friend, I have a guy who is a very close friend of mine, and sometimes I stuck with my guy and he said just talking about it, hey by the way, like even sometimes he asked me, hey by the way how is your friend doing? I know you know Mufti, Mufti is one of my, he is an actor, he is one of my best friends, and sometimes he will sit down and he will ask me, by the way how is Mufti doing? Hey have you talked to him of late, because he knows me, he knows what I am capable of doing, he knows what I cannot do, he respects my friends, because he knows at the end of the day, if I tell you, I love you, it's you and I mean it, it's you, so and then in this world, do you understand me sir, because I am in a relationship with you, I can only have female friends, because it's because I am a dem, it's because I am a mature man, it's because I am a dem, it's because I am a dem, it's because I am a dem, it's because I am a mature man, but I think trust and maturity is what matters most, me I have seen people who, when I was young, yes, like when I was working when I was almost like, the whole day I knew, but too poor, the question would be, do I respect myself, do I respect you, because I believe, saizu kizara saikun, kakana kwa namise, mi na naka ni kukontrol, kumbe na, no, I have someone else, but at the moment, me kukulatu, aqa mila aqa dogo iwi, aqa dogo, because when I was young, I knew, when I was young, even if your husband, you know, respects you, even if your wife respects you, kila saa, nijinae u rafikindu, inasemi aqa, okay, ok, na nani na aliwa, the following day, u kuhapi, we are taking breakfast, na nani na aliwa, na nani na workshop, na nani na aliwa, ya ni piwa, kumuzali, ya ni piwa, ya ni piwa, ya na apia, another thing, it's good to know, when you are with your partner, what kind of conversations do you have? I cannot be with my partner, and all I'm talking about, I'm talking about aliwa, actually, I'm literally disrespecting that person, so you need to know the boundaries, when we talk about work, when we talk about family, when do we talk about what, and at what time, for example, when I get home, maybe it's about maybe like 8pm, maybe I'm talking about job, I'm not supposed to be talking about work, nani, how are you, how was your day babe, how was your work, let's talk about us, let's talk about me and you, but, ya, but Kesho, let's talk about work tomorrow, when it's the right time, let us put the boundaries and the limits, let's know when, see, let's go to bed, sit wrong, if it's late, then I'm going to say, hey, no, let us put the boundaries and pay to do the time for what, even the Bible says, there is time for everything, there is time for everything, wisdom matters here, ya, you must be wise on how you are doing all this, these feelings to care for, on the other person, these egos, egos to massage, so on the other day if you bring other out things, other names in, then there'll be definitely a problem, even if your mum's spending a lot of time with her because maybe you're doing a project, maybe this month you have a very big project, so, at what point do I talk about Emma in my relationship and for how long have I been talking about Emma, am I so keen, am I wise to know that, I'm breaking something here, I'm looking at the bond you two have as friends in the office, you have a good bond, and in media we call it chemistry, chemistry, chemistry, chemistry, chemistry. How we can promote chemistry to sour, whether they are TV personalities doing the news, or can answer TV, the hashtag is always on the chat button, and on the chat button, our talk, so there is chemistry that you guys have, they say that now even the way you chat, you always chat a lot, it should not be a concern for your partner. Kwaaza, if you come and get into relationship with me, you know I am an actor. My world is very different and I think it's good also to know where I'm coming from. The social life in acting is something that scares many people, how you control, I've made some of us be there. However, I've been able to control my profession before I got into this. You need to get scared. Let me give another profession, doctors. Doctors normally work in terms of shifts. We work together and shift yungu, ya this time round, ita foutu na ya kwa ya, I'm about a kwa na yukesho, but what I know is in your shift, let's say it's a night shift, you'll be working with that best friend, you know I'm in the house, I'm set to move it. That is personal maturity. Kuna'w fito zini, nye una mizaga tout peraton, una lala because the moment I start thinking about it, the moment you start thinking about it, but this time, by then, everything is very okay until the day you start thinking about it. No na, the moment you begin to think. That moment is going to affect you but imagine... You want to go piti? Believe me you will die Bafajaka zitutakula ni uchaman Na ma'kini, you use pet names at work Good morning babe Hai, suit, haps Okay, ladies we call each other babes laki ni manwa kitana bab Mi me we run away A we run Obviously it would be a Yunoo even mentally I would ask, I will ask you E hee me doesn't want come be yo Men should be broke Just friends, but I am dating you in the office and I hear you, you know, hi sweetheart, I'm coming, I'm with the boss here, the boss is now, you two are dating, I'm with the boss, nina kujapu apolesuiti? Yeah, partner. Is that a yes or no? For me no. In the office. Okay, for me no. I have a name. There might be a problem. Unless, of course, I've seen some other people, maybe their maturity has gone some other extent whereby now I understand. Maturiti na kuna, nasuitat? Ya, ya, ya, ya. Sometime it's hard, I think it's... Let's just say no. Let's just say no, because... Let's just say no. But guys, after I've gone, you're still doing the same thing. I know. Even if your partner is around, these are work environment. Ya, work environment. Some guys do that when maybe the other partners are there, they find themselves calling. They know anything like that. And men have this problem. Men have this problem of calling women, pet names, maybe girl, darling, honey, seat. But then I hate that thing. I say to the queen box, hi darling, I'm not your darling. I am not. And I have a name. Those are names that are just set aside for my special person, not for everybody. So I will not allow you to call me those names in the office. Ali wa suti? Ali wa baby. The intention was very clear here. Why are you calling me that name? Why? And the question is, you never... Can you tell whether someone has an intention? Yes. You will always know. You will always know. Let me use another example now. Well, mumenda kazi, safari ya kazi, call it business trips. You've left your man at home. Where? Ali wa. But... Let me know why. Shumunadua, isimau teli hizi? Yes, isimau teli hizi. You've left your husband. He's a basha, he's a basha. Yes, you've left your husband. But now there is this particular individual who has been hiding you for so long. Na sasa, amipara na vasi mumenda safari ya kazi. How should you maintain that work ethic, that professionalism, and even that self-respect when someone knocks at your door, nimoji ya rukusalimia? Uko kwa hotelu, kwa chini, kwa room. Kwa ka afteria? You know what let me tell you the truth Ram. We always tell people, these bodies, these are not pieces of firewood. People have feelings. People can do all these things. And on the jipata, that one can knock. It will ruin the rest of your life. So, but I remember yo te, where would you come? I think you have my number. If you want to say hi, just text me hi. It is enough. Because the moment you come closer, the environment itself. The environment itself. If they go boozer, thrown up, it's late. It's late. And then it's like a party in one of your rooms. One thing I say about work, it's how the first time I introduce myself. I always really care about how the first time I introduce myself to people. I believe strongly in work about one word called kaskasiti. I don't want to be available. I don't want to be available. Even this thing about now you're meeting. I know of a company. They don't allow you guys to meet after work. And also follow that a lot. I don't want to meet people after work. I don't invite everyone to my home. It's a no-no-go zone. So those are things that will guide me even when now I know Emma. So you should not tell people where you stay? To me, that's a private issue. It's not everybody's issue. It's really the guys I work with. That's my policy. But I've known Emma. No problem maybe I might invite her. But no, the problem is that I might invite Emma. And now she now makes it her. And also I respect my image. I respect who I am. So the thing is that even the knocking, if I'm truly disciplined and principled, I should just know. Emma needs her privacy. Even if she's the next door, can we make it professional? Even if I was eyeing her, she would love me with how I've been conducting myself. This thing of just... You're very uncomfortable. If you respect a lady as a man, you'll know how to go about things at the end of the day. Not everything now and then. Let's give her space for her to find what maybe she loves. In new at the end of the day. So I mean those things very much matter. But in work, to me if it's work, it's work and then we have... But a very good example is that we were here. We have been friends for how many years? But you know what? Actually this is the first time we are sitting down to talk. You've been friends for almost more than 10 years. You've never met? We have met but on set. But we don't talk. On set we don't talk. We don't talk on set. And actually that one has made us respect each other. Even his bro is my friend. The longest. Imagine we have been friends for a long time. She's a beautiful woman. For a long time we have been friends. This is muti. We have been friends. These are interesting times. That develops a very good kind of respect and ethics. Exactly. Now I want to give another scenario that is quite interesting. You approached your co-worker. It is really interesting. Is my co-worker interesting or not? I hope you are sure I'm still the same guy. You approached this lady. Or this particular co-worker. But they say no. So now you are rejected. And every morning you have to wake up to the fact that you will see that face. And that person rejected you. And these are the reasons why some people get to experience bad work environments. So he is suppressing me in the office. Let me talk about the men who have been rejected in the office by these particular women. And now because of that pain they don't take it lightly. Now it begins to become an office war. That is the problem about dating a co-worker. Before you get into this it should be very very clear. Or understand the risk you are getting into. Because starting a relationship with Emma in my workplace is not an assurance that at the end of the day, end of it all I'm going to get married to. So what if these things in between he cuts and then I'm calling Emma an ex. She's calling me an ex. That point, how am I going to tackle that life going forward? Are we really mature and professional enough to tackle that kind of a thing? Can you accept the fact that she said no to you? No to me. Mostly you find that if I'm the boss I'll start frustrating Emma. If she's my boss she'll do the same. Or I just find myself rebelling against what she said. That's why it's a very dicey kind of situation when you talk about people dating in the office. Because the moment when I came to Emma I thought maybe Emma unless I'm very professional I'll tell Emma I don't even know what Emma is saying. And then I'll say you know what she's saying. Why do I have to do that? Let's continue working. But you know if you create your friends before maybe you cannot work as a couple. For example like me I can't work. I can't work but I can't work. But as friends it's true. But as friends you have been able to work for a very long time. So there are people when you can't work as a couple but you can work very well as friends. But now if you have been friends and then maybe you come in a zone and you talk and say you know it or whether whether you have been mature enough to know you know what even if she has rejected me but we are still friends. Let's deal with each other as friends. Be mature? Ya be mature enough to be like you have laid down for you to work. And this is why we need to refuse this issue of sexual harassment in the office. Ya ya ya ya ya sure. Actually now that's where it comes in. You are the both. So now you can do anything you want to me. So to a point where we can be frustrated we can say to each other forget your job because now we are any otherwise maybe we are in a place now we are like it's either I lose this job or I agree to what this person is telling me at the end of the day you can choose one now because with the economy right now hey who's ready to lose the job right now. You want a promotion and the person who's supposed to give you that promotion is the one you rejected. Ya ya be mature enough to be like I'm thinking that mature here We also need prayers. In fasting. We need prayers. We've talked about the men. Let's talk about women. About God. Anaka na mafili. In this lady. In this all of today, ladies are also approached men. I have seen it happen. And if a lady approaches you, and as a man, you've said no, to her. Do you know not to come moving? No, not to come moving. It happens in real life. See, mimi nima ya? We need evidence. It happens, I'm telling you. Batile matyunguwe nende yosu edingins. Because we see with that notion that it happened already in a movie. Then the movie now is home. There are some people who their lives are movies. Maisha li ota para In life you can look at their story and say it's a movie. Just write a script. Because they are 2 years here to just house you. 2 years. That's a nice movie. We should make a script on that. But this lady has approached you. You've told her no. But now she's a drama queen. Assume that she is your boss. Aliu uki cheneo, and you are supposed to be there by 8. 755? 755? Kama 8 Kama 8 She is your boss and she is the one who is supposed to do the the padi-eves How is it for ladies? because I presume women take rejection differently from men I think women we have this attitude of like like he let me tell so the moment a man says no to you I think he is going to track I think he is accident bias like you want to destroy my life so what happens to the woman the moment a woman is rejected the one thing that affects a woman is self esteem it goes in a chain so you start looking at yourself I think I am a woman I think I am a woman I think I am a woman I think I am a woman I think I am a woman I think I am a woman so that woman is so affected because they assume the reason why this man did not accept me is because I have a problem maybe I have a physical challenge or maybe I have an emotional challenge you are not beautiful enough I am not of his class I am not of his class I am not of his class I am not of his class I am not of his class I am not of his class I am not of his class you know what happens when a man rejects maybe because of your current situation when a man rejects he is not of his class he is not of his class he is not of his class so he is not of his class this is a real language this is a real language we don't take rejection positively by the way we don't and that's why let's say it's a no no in a workplace because of that we just talk about self esteem which is a very like very important factor in what you are talking about because rejection might go to extend to someone who has a report job even depression and as I said you just start rebelling in the office maybe the other person maybe is your senior you don't want to listen to the person even if you both just in the same ranks the way you guys react to things is different I don't want to go with this person this person is in this team and not supposed to be there and so it's a very dicey kind of situation for anyone who might want to go into Facebook the hashtag is on Facebook I'm seeing Andrew Mwende so many comments here and people are what work on their feelings people are like what work on their feelings I'm seeing I can't read your comment but let me start with Andrew Mwende first of all it needs the know-how of work and being in a relationship with the co-worker if the two see a differentiate I don't see any problems do you have anything near for but he doesn't see any problem with that and once you start dating your co-worker respect dies completely and insecurities start coming is that true? respect dies and insecurities come up but I'm seeing the know-how before let's just also see because we thought about negating to me I believe also these are positivity they have people who are married the moment you put in professionalism it can work the moment maturity is there it will work because those are married they are able to maintain their marriage life that's what I said from the offset you should know you should have some things and also be ready for it and how are the two of you going to tackle every stage of this what are you guys going to do like the way I said it should be pronounced it should be known from the offset these two they are an item they are like this but they won't affect our productivity T.K. Daniels America Refa Wapa T.K. I can't read everything but let me just see if I can peruse one thing is dating a kawaka is the worst thing emotionally for any person whatsoever your partner will basically have an opposite gender friend they connect so well with she will treat them cool she will hug them oftenly and share deep secrets as friends let me put pause sharing secrets no no no I will just say share your secrets with a person I will just say saltize I thought saltize was the only sexual transmission saltize is also sharing secrets today Ram if I start telling you all my secrets I will be so attached to you because you have something that is important to me that's why share your secrets with your partner people have those people there is this person in the office who always starts to you because the moment you put him to your opportunity to share everything with them you will be attached to that person because they want to lose this person because they know something about me that nobody else knows so you will be so protective of this person which will lead to you people being so close to this person but then the person your secrets it's not everybody and then again the day you maybe meet the same person actually there is no secret the moment you tell it to the other person there is no secret so if you have a secret share it with a person that you trust them if you attach to that person it won't affect anyone like maybe your wife or your husband or maybe your girlfriend or your boyfriend but the moment you know that person Tike Daniel Sanasema sharing of deep secrets as friends that you will be joking around and even at times spending time together working definitely as a normal man that will create that jealousy mentality which might lead to doubts and trust issues you might be caught in between trying to watch over him or her that will lower your productivity in the department you are working for why? good question Daniels love issues not only hurt but the mind and that means you will never be sober you are always drained emotionally trying to wonder whether your partner is having an affair with that special friend or not as a result you may turn to drugs and infidelity trying to heal your emotion or you might find yourself losing your job as a result of trying to fight or keep your partner away from those friends and eventually it might lead to a marriage breakdown and even suicide attempts based on the depth and the height of your love was towards that person trust I said I will peruse I will not love it but but also I will tell you the truth let me tell you the truth Ram it's easy if you are working right now you will be in the same office you will be in the same office you will be in the same office I will be in the same office my eyes will be like this because I want to know what you are doing what you are saying so at the end of the day I am concentrating more on what you are doing but not what I am supposed to be doing in the office actually some people say it's good for people to be away imagine job the whole day and that's why maybe I will be in the office I will be in the office because I will be in the same office he is trying to look for a greener person not in terms of so I will be in the same office at least I will have a difference and the one to this person Daniels has said suicide attempts, depression of course whatever you said about now the rejection bit of it maybe your relationship comes to an end because maybe initially you are announcing to everybody how I am the one who is dating Emma, Nini those kind of things and then this thing comes to an end how will people look at me because maybe maybe Emma was a star you can't go back to that office again because me telling Emma means that I have denied the other men around to get close to Emma so this day Emma is viable and the other guys are there so the guy who wanted to they'll come back how will it be as a human being you can't take to see the person maybe you once loved with another person so utapata wum say maybe many people in workplaces people where they date breakups happen many of them into depression and then people actually the moment we get into depression you find yourself now using drugs kunaulam say manya juku face problemia there are people who don't know how to face their own problems let's finish this go di go di isa this thing is not possible I am trying to imagine to kikosana that's a frustration I don't want to go through kikosana enos ambani anasama aliwa Kenya 2 years you need to discuss off here Fever Ladish this is dolly joy amituma dolly thank you so much for your comments dating a kawaka is a no goes on thank you duke muma dolly joy thank you very much to lolly laser dating a kawaka is possible but also tricky it requires also a lot of audacity say hi to aliwa jebril drake thank you to faith nduku anasama it all needs respect and discipline because many who are dating have ended up in good marriages kasaan di be anasama following nearly karake anasama need a certain level of maturity a big thanks to Jake Daniels duke maena thank you so much for sending in your tweets and your feedback the hashtag is part of the show at Ramaguko and that's why to fight for channel let's wrap this conversation and give each one of you a final word about dating a kawaka to wrap it up in just one minute let me start with you aliwa one of course thank you so much blessed july so dating a kawaka to me the negative the negative looks like it crowns it all try to avoid that a lot because it'll affect your productivity a lot it'll affect the other guys you're working with at the end of the day and also might bring some other things that are very unnecessary in your work try a lot to be professional and if it's a must that you you must go through this part then the two of you need to agree on some things so at the end of the day you are relationship will end up well but to me I'll say if you can avoid this kinda let's put it professional on one of you just call it quits so you ask is that normal is that normal Emma, final words I also say for me it's a no because at the end of the day all we are looking for is a successful relationship and successful marriage but if you must date your condition are you ready for it prepare yourself be mature enough I mean mature enough if you know you are a person who has a lot of insecurities don't even try it don't even try so just do what you feel it is best for you and agree as a couple learn to differentiate work and your social life get away from those friends quotes and quotes and people who you know and you are sure they are going to affect your relationship with your partner but above all love is free love who you want to love but again no they are prones and cons yes thank you no they are likes and dislikes and so they are favourites but we have this what we want what we shall want in the language too by the way more grace the guys who have said their own jobs mami mami mami mami mami mami mami mami mami mami mami mami mami mami mami they are hustling together as man and wife a big up to everyone who ensure that this show was a success thank you very much my producers and my directors Akina Ronpale, Akina Timopale Aliwa Kenya thank you thank you very much this is the first day of the month of July the first of July we started off well a happy new month thank you so much for keeping it power talk thank you for keeping it Y254 a repeat of this show is coming up tonight at 10pm follow us on our social media platforms at Y254 the hashtag is power talk show at Ram Aguko and ensure that you also follow us on facebook god bless you god bless the work of your hands my name is Ram Aguko thank you adios