 So like we read too, we will take turns to ask you so maybe like if she asks or you can just wait here so that the eyes can be her assignment. Okay, okay. So let's go to the first question. As we asked that like so many people follow you on Twitter and how do you think like the perception of people in social media right now see like a different of Taiwan before and now during the COVID-19? Yeah, before the COVID I think people follow us for the bubble tea I guess. And also our work on say gender equality, marriage equality and things like that were considered panneas there. But more and more I think after the COVID people are following us to look at the fundamentals of democracy because in Taiwan we're very rare in the world who managed to counter the coronavirus, the pandemic was no lockdown and deepening the democracy and also counter the infodemic that's a disinformation crisis was no take down again deepening democracy. So I think people are looking at Taiwan as something that exemplifies this way of thinking democracy as a type of technology that everybody can improve. That's our new message. And you always mentioned about open data and the digital innovation. How do you think like all of this thing can help you and Taiwan in order to fight COVID-19? Yeah, the social innovation in Taiwan I call it it's everyone's business with everyone's help. So instead of just the people in the health ministries or the Center Epidemic Command Center working out those top down policies actually in Taiwan just last year alone we have more than 2 million costs to 1922 the toll free number, not only to ask for explanations but also to voice people's ideas about how to manage the coronavirus better. So we learned about a lot of innovative ways like using traditional rest cookers to clean the mask, killing the virus without destroying the mask or people feedback of their, for example, young boy calling and saying, oh, I get this pink medical mask but all the boys on my class have navy blue mask. I don't want to wear it to school. And the very next day on the CCC press conference everybody wore pink. And so the boy suddenly became the most hit boy in his class. And so this very fast, very agile iteration cycle I think that's why the social innovation really gave us the trust from the government to the citizen and some of the citizens do trust back. And in order to build this kind of trust to trust like between the two party, the government and the people, do you think like how you can really do that to make a trust between two? Because I know that many of my friend mentioned about Taiwan has experienced what SARS before, right? You think it's not one of the main factor that the government can really trust the people that they're gonna give you a, gonna collaborate with the government? That's one of the things there, of course, because people don't want to go back to SARS 1.0 where the communication was very chaotic or we have to barricade the entire hospital that I've announced. Nobody wants lockdowns and things like that. Of course that helps because it helps aligning the citizenry and the government public sector to our common values. But also equally important is this idea of broadband as human rights. So we know that no matter which corner you are in, even on the top of Taiwan, the highest mountain, you're still guaranteed to have bi-directional broadband that is to say, not only do the internet reaches everyone, it also listens to everyone so that people can start live streaming. Everybody could be just a YouTuber, a media producer so that we focus not only on the literacy, which is about understanding the public messages, but also about the competence, the media competence, the digital competence, data competence that makes everyone a data producer and a media producer that can talk about what they feel and what they experience on the moment in the hearing now so that everyone else can also listen. That's also very important. So now let's talk about Taiwan Can Help. Do you think like how Taiwan Can Help can really make a collaboration between people and the government? Yeah, Taiwan Can Help is a trending hashtag. And like any hashtag, it's not something that any particular government ministry or any particular minister can claim to be their own. Indeed, the leading website for Taiwan Can Help, Taiwan Can Help.us is not even a government website. It's just a website that's registered by a bunch of YouTubers. So just as I was mentioning, anyone with a camera, anyone with a phone can make their messages heard. And I think Taiwan Can Help.us exemplifies that idea in getting the raw materials, the footage and so on, even from our then vice president, Chen Jianran, the top expert in epidemiology, he wrote a textbook to record an online massive open course for everyone on the planet about epidemiology and Taiwan's measure, what we call the Taiwan model. And then the YouTubers across all the different nations just took those ideas and materials in the commons and remixed their own public service messages, which are also collected on Taiwan Can Help.us and the website is entirely crowdfunded too. And how you think like Taiwan Can Help right now can really promote Taiwan and like to be, and how about the Taiwan position in the post-COVID-19 world? Yeah, as I mentioned, we think of democracy as something that everyone can improve on. It's not just about getting a vote every four years, like three bits per person every four years. It's not this low bandwidth democracy only. Of course, that's still important, but we add to that. For example, the presidential hackathon, which for the past couple of years have international collaboration on sustainability using civic technologies, or the sandboxes where the new regulatory ideas about self-driving vehicles, about 5G, about all sort of platform economy ideas can work with the social sector, not just for the society, with the society or the e-petition platform, join the GOV.tw, which has inspired similar designs all across East Asia. I think all these are the concrete contributions that Taiwan is already making to the world, and we're collecting that into our national action plan in open government that we're going to share with the world in a couple of months. And can you talk a bit about the situation in Taiwan right now? Because I think like from the first to until now, it's kind of COVID-19 is kind of like unstoppable the situation, and how do you think like in order to fight the COVID-19? But the most important thing is also to sustain the way that you deal with COVID-19 and to make trust among people. And how do you think like you can still sustain that thing until now? And- Yeah, it's not just sustaining, it's regenerative, right? People have renewed interest in public policy because I guess of the cute spokes dog, Zongchai, that motivates even very young people to learn epidemiology. The very cute dog says, where am I to protect your own face against your own unwashed hands? Now that's a message that even very young people could understand because it speaks to the very basic fact that the soap, hand sanitizers, and so on are there to protect you against yourself. And so these memes, these internet messages that gets remixed and spreads virally, I think are like inoculations of the mind. Once people get exposed to those ideas, they're much more active citizens. They're no longer just subjects, but they could also participate in contributing their own knowledge, competence, and so on in getting the messages, the right epidemiological messages across. So it's not just about sustainability, this is about co-creation and prosperity in democratic governance. So how do you think Taiwan's role now can lead Taiwan to which kind of position in the world of post-COVID-19? Yeah, in Taiwan, as I mentioned in the beginning, what we're doing is that we counter the pandemic with no lockdown and counter the infodemic with no takedown. And so we've done as an example that there is no false dilemma or trade-off between human right and social democracy on one side and the counter pandemic and economic growth on the other. Too often before the vaccine gets rolled out to people, too often many jurisdictions thought that they have to choose one or the other. But Taiwan, we not only have record number of people returning to Taiwan, but also international citizens who didn't have a residence or citizenship in Taiwan, who applied to the Taiwan Co-Gold Card or through other kind of entrepreneurship visa and so on to choose to stay in Taiwan, to be also Taiwanese and enjoy not only the healthcare, but also the co-creation of democracy and innovation. So I think this is the message from Taiwan to the world in that if you do democracy well, if you listen and trust the citizens, you don't have to make false zero-sum trade-offs. You have a reading card? Yeah, I think it's already... Yes, I think sorry. But may I ask a little bit more about... Because we're gonna be in the state of distribution that the vaccine, right? And you already did well in like the distribution of masks. And how do you think like you're gonna apply a humor over rumor to the distribution of vaccines? Yeah, I think the CECC have always said that this is a matter of choice. And so people can choose which vendors, whether they prefer a domestic vendor or a international vendor, across the international choices, which particularly do they prefer? Now to respect citizens' preferences while managing the logistics cause for a lot of digital public infrastructure to support it. So again, we would use the very advanced, digitized national health insurance system so that everyone with an IC card which is universal coverage to not only citizen but also residents can register such a choice to the system in the NHIA. Much like you can choose to pre-order your mask or collect one from the pharmacies or even save that and dedicate it to the international community or from the very simple NHIA app. So stay tuned and download the NHIA app. Okay, I think that's pretty good. Okay, that's it then. Thank you very much. Thank you so much. Live long and prosper. Okay, so... So... Do I not really read that on? Okay, so we're gonna finish this. Can we take a picture over here?