 Check it, check it, check it, it's a unique house, it's your boy, E-C-E-O, and I'm here with the official, lovely, Ms. Jamaica. Hey, what's going on? Hey, man, we got a special guest today, man. Hey, I'm gonna be honest with you, you don't need no introduction, man. When it comes to Dallas and what we do, it's the only way we make it through, man. Say, man, my boy Don Chief is in the house, man. Sachi, sachi, thanks, man. Man, you the one that made me start wearing a lot of sachi, man. That same, when you sent that back to me in the text, I said, this the one that had me out there over at North Park acting real bad. Man, I'm glad you're saying it, because a lot of these boys don't need to follow this, they don't follow the suit, too. Oh, no, no, no, I got to show homage, man. That's the whole reason why we, when we did this, we couldn't, we couldn't even do the show and be where we at and not bring the ones who are pinnacles in the city through. So, you know, we just, we basically, we knew that, you know, if we're going to do this, we got to do it all the way right. And so that's what we've been doing. We've been marching the ones through who really, really, who really made us who we are, right? And that's, that's you guys. So just appreciate, I always say that to everybody, the ones who really, you know, that done the work, you know, put that work in, man. So being from, I say, West Dallas, man, that's where I first heard you from. Right. And I was like, man, you know, my cousin, and I hate to say this because everybody always said, well, you might not know Charles Rambo and all my cousins, man. So, yeah, he died. Like, who bought it from over there? No, I know it. But Junior used to come here before he died. Junior Rambo, the dad, the old man, he would come here and check on me and everything, man. Then last time I seen him was at Miami funeral. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, I know, I mean, you know, the family. Yeah, there's a lot of, you know, but at the end of the day, that's, that's my, my people. Shout out to Charles down there in the hometown. He at home now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, man. But that's how when I, and when I would go to Bobby's, man, back in the day and in the club, get the jumping. Hey, man, we're Dallas in that thing, man. Deep boy, did you ever go over there? Of course not. How you like I can't be in there? You might have been, were you younger than me? So you might, you're young. So you couldn't, we might, we didn't, we didn't have you over there. Mm-mm, mm-mm, mm-mm. No, no, I wouldn't go and know you don't. That's what it was, man. I wouldn't go and know you don't. Man, so, so the music, man, how do you, how do you keep it consistent all these years, bro? I mean, it's really just a part of me. So my music is just my Bible, my therapy, you know? So long as I'm living, I'm gonna keep it consistent. Bro, and it'd be steppin'. Like it ain't no, it ain't no, you don't miss, bro. You know, I got a couple of people that I put in a whole another level when it come to lyrics, like Scarface. You got that same vibe where you don't make no bad, ain't no bad songs coming from all the way to me, all the way back to all the stuff I ever heard, hold your tongue, all that stuff, it was solid. Right, right. Consistent. Nah, but look where I come from. You know, I come from that jungle. You know, my terrain, I had to, you know, have some substance. Yeah, yeah. So that's what you get with me. You just get substance. You get a person who done lived a little bit, who done saw some things. Yeah, and it was consistent. Cap of the Boom had kept me something, man. Every time I go through it was something. Facts. I got to get him on this show. Nah, nah, he got to be, you know, because it's a lot of people that, you know, there's pioneers that help, you know, to see, to get to where it's at, to help build the culture that need to be, you know, talked to, you know, Diamond, Cap. You know, all the- That's my guy. All the mom and pops. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You even got to go to Fonky Town, get Greg and Monty Wayne. I mean, Greg shot me and like, they all played a part. They all played a part. And it's going, and it's like, a lot of people overlook, because they don't get caught up in the, you know, the new thing. Yeah. But, you know, if it weren't for the foundation, we wouldn't have enough to build on. That's so true. And I think that's why we, I think that's why we're gonna win, because we do it like that. That's what we're looking for. The visual guys, like, we had what, who was that, Cam God and Ovid Medium, the people who nobody don't even look at, you know what I mean? Bring them to the front. Even Prophecy, when I had him on here, nobody ever interviewed him. I bring the people that I think get overlooked. And then I bring the patriarchs. And I think that's where it's at. No, that's good. That's good. Yeah. That's real good. Yeah. And that's, that's how we roll it. So I've always heard about West Dallas and everybody else make it sound like it's so, so bad. It's even Jamaica's, you know? Yeah. It's just like Old Cliff. They talk about Old Cliff like, oh, it's a bad area. But you being from those areas, what's the worst thing you've ever seen that you're like, that really like, devastated you or what made an impact on you? I mean, you know, it's bad. You know, I mean, if one is the ghetto, so you from Jamaica, so it's just like, you, we might, we heard things about Jamaica. Exactly. You know, like, they be tripping and shit. So there was nothing that just like stood out in your mind like that one instant just happened and it's something you did not expect? I mean, coming from, at that time, it really, you know, when you, I mean, only thing you just didn't expect was, you know, when you're younger, it's just a seeing another young, young cat like yourself be killed or die. You know? You know, that's the only thing you expect. But when you coming from that mud, it's like you're moving to a lot of things. You kind of know and should learn to a lot of things that really should get your attention. So now, I mean, it was just our way of living. So what it did, it just built character. It gave me moral respect. It gave me, you know, substance, like I said. So now it didn't really, you know, deter me from anything. I jumped out there, even when I saw it. Yeah. Yeah. Did you put a lot of it in your music? Like when you saw it, because you wrote your own music. Yes, yes. And so a lot of the music that you did, it's what happened around you. Thanks, thanks. I mean, it's all, you know, experiences. Either mine or experiences that's just been around. So your first rap song that you did, was it your mom who inspired you to do that one? Yeah, yeah, in a sense. I mean, I'm a, I'm a mama's boy. So, you know, shoot, I wrote a Valentine's poem, and you know, it just rhymed and, you know, she kept it in. Do you remember it? Of course not. No, I don't remember that one. I don't remember that one. I don't remember that one. Of course not. Aw, that's sweet though. Yeah, I knew you was going to ask that question. I'll let you have that. Because you're... Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Too like that. That was it. That was it. You know, it's because mama is, you know, I have a mama's boy at home, and the older one always teased him that he's a mama's boy. He a mama's boy too. But it's something about boys and their moms, cause like my daughter, she's so independent and so, you know, she's not emotional where it comes to. Let's get that from me. Yeah, but a boy, if I'm not feeling well, he'll come to my door, mama, you okay? You need some? It's just something about a boy that they just do for their moms. My mama went, so my mama got two boys. So she roared in the cocaine. So she's a, you know, she's an earth sign. So she wasn't no, it wasn't no baby. Now it was more, she still, she still, she was very strong, her aura, she didn't, it wasn't no, she's not the feminine type. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. She's not. She's a strong and stern. Oh yeah. You know, so, you know, I can, I can soul and go be, you know, what we need to do, mama. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's the way it is. Are you your youngest? Yeah, y'all got a big brother. Oh, okay. I know that, I mean, being from the country, because it ain't where you from, it's really where you at. And I remember when I always tell you about when my dad shot at my mom and I was four and my uncle, my daddy got shot in the same place in the head where my uncle got killed in and my other uncle burnt it up. You know what I'm saying? It was a gambling shack down in East, down there, right up from what y'all living right now. Just country boys, man. So when you see certain things growing up, and then when I came out here and I seen that, it's like the same way we had it, but just a bigger way when I seen West Dallas and South Dallas and Oklahoma, like all the same thing we were doing down there, just, it just a little more of it. You know what I'm saying? And I was never exposed to anything like that. Personally, I just hear, being in Jamaica, I heard of different things that happened in certain areas. So I was aware of certain things, but I've never experienced it. So when you would tell me certain stories, I was like, really? Yeah. My uncle come home and get the gun. I know what he going to do. I was young boy. I know where he could've go back down to that bag. He shot a dude that had whooped him and pretty much he limped the rest of his life. I watched him limp, but my uncle got killed right after that. One guy shot in the head. So when you see these type of things happen, then I came out here, I was over off Malcolm X. I see a thing, I walk in coming from Bobby's, I had my necklace on and money in my pocket, but the other dude that came out, I don't know if it was just a look at the draw, got shot in the head right there and robbed right there. But I walked in and he walked out and he got shot. Like I seen the two dudes got watching. I'm a street cat. So I'm watching the side of the building like, dang man. When it happened, it just like, I mean, we left, but it's like you out. It's late. You know, ain't tripping. It's sad that you think like that once you've seen so many time death like that. Like my uncle, I found him dead. Like I can keep going. We shot at people. I don't know if we killed him, but we heard some people got killed when you young. You know what I mean? And that's just the way life is. But what I'm hearing from all of this is the fact that you don't have to be a product of your own environment just because you see certain things and you're around certain things when you were younger. That don't mean you have to grow up and be. No, you evolve. Right. And that's what I want our listeners to know is that don't always think that you have to be like the person that you're around that maybe influencing you in a bad way. You can evolve from that and become better than that. That's what's up. I mean, like I said, these microphones, to be honest, which like he said earlier, it's really therapeutic, people listening. And I think that's something that I hold me in on every time like I know that it could help somebody what we say, you know? Right, right, right. Cause they listening at your music. I listen at your music. Like I said, consistently cause your music you can put in and ride to it and you ain't gotta cut it off. You ride to the whole thing. Now you ain't got to skip through to try to find a good song. Now I'm being real, bro. I know cause I love music, you know what I mean? And that's, you know, even more so. Don't get me wrong. I liked the Pooke and Loochie thing. I wrote to it, but then as you evolved, it was some, the street thing that educated you and it made you move a certain way. You know, I heard about you over there with the Bentley in the projects. Yeah, I would hear about things like that. And I'd be hustling. I had my things going back in the day, you know? So it'd be like, okay. Yeah, you know, a nigga can get real, be real and keep it 100 and still getting paid for, you know? Right, right, right. You know, so that's real talk. You know what I'm saying? Nah, man, you know, at the end of the day, I come from the everywhere. You had to be who you said you are. I mean, you older than me. Oh yeah, for sure. Like at the end of the day, you gotta check out. Yeah. And you know, I mean, me, I just come from that bread with Dallas. We some, just everything that come. We very unique. Oh, for sure. You know, like in, you know, shoot, I knew it was kind of a battle for me anyway because West Dallas always kind of been shunned upon. You know, we the smallest, you know, but yet the rawest. The rawest. You know, and everybody I always had, you know, a certain look of how they thought West Dallas was because of the catch from the Penitentiary or boys that just was before us or before me and y'all like there was already put the stump down and you know, the story just had been told. So when I came about, it was more or less like, you know, I watched everything before me, even my brother, you know, and people that I grew up with and I was just like, you know, I'm a stick out like that thumb. Yeah. So I just went against the grain with everything. I didn't claim no games. I wanted, you know, I was more just like, it's on me. You know, you know, I was in the sixth grade. I cut my hair a ball here in the fifth and I said, I'm gonna go to the side. Wow. You know, like, you know, so it was more or less like, you know, it was just, it was just, just, it was just that upbringing just had to be, you know, want to be, want to be something. You know, I want to be something at early age because I always looked up to things that was great, Michael Jackson, Michael Jordan, you know, and at that age, you know, they was, you know, TV and stuff and all that was just, you know, sport, it was just being, they were just blowing up black people. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? So they was really giving us a damn DOC. You know, he was right up, right, right down two, three, four houses, right up the field and we seeing Daniel Kev that, you know, his little, his partner be chest boxing with me and my brother and hit me in the stomach, but we watching his cousin on the box. It was show. So that was. That's motivation. Motivation just from West Dallas people. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We looking at like, man, we seeing one of ours out here. So, you know, it was just, it was just something that stuck with me. I couldn't speak for nobody else. No, no, that's good. That's good stuff. Yeah, I took it and I was like, shoot, I want to be that cat. No, no, that's real. I want to be one of them guys. Yeah. I hear you. Go ahead. No, go ahead. I hear you mentioned about your mom, but did you have your father in your life? No, no, he, you know, he got caught up living his life and he was locked up, but his mother and his little sister did what he should have did. But I knew he would, but no, he don't know his son. Oh, did you have a father figure, like a male figure that you looked up to? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that was, no, no, I didn't look up to no male figure in a sense like that, but I had a male figure around, you know? But we did things and we had boys club. So I was in the sport. So you always had a male figure around that was teaching and, you know, showing authority to somebody who we had to respect. So with that being said, it just, you know, that built character in itself for us, you know, having respect for another man or a person who older than you. See, that's the reason why I asked that question because I've met so many women who would say, I'm mother and father to this boy. And I don't believe that. I always believe that you need a man to teach you how to be a man. A woman can't teach a boy. Right. That's why I was asking, did you have a male figure? Because to turn out, manly, you need a male figure. Yeah, you know, sometimes you just got to be the example as us being men who those who ain't never had no father around. You just kind of have to, God damn me, be an example and learn how to, you know, be a man, you know, in shoes. So that just become a natural reflex. You know, everybody walking around with no daddy. So it's just like, we just out here trying to learn how to be young men turning into grown men. It is such a dysfunction in our culture sometimes. And the reason I say that is because even though you say you don't have a dad, but say you do have a dad and the mom and dad fighting every week and arguing and then they get a divorce ripped out apart. Now they arguing about who going to keep the kid. And then this is a whole another level of, okay, we tripping over here the same way they tripping because the disconnect is there, but now it's toxic. So it can go either way. And I think a lot of it go because of who we are and where we come from a lot of times because of the oppression a lot of time that have been placed in our ancestors. I really think that that takes a toll now to this day. That was not anything pretty much done for us to say, okay, we're going to get some therapy on the fact of what happened and all the things that every other culture gets, the help in hand, we don't get it. People come to this country now and they still get, matter of fact, you one of them, this is my wife, like they treat every, if you go to a job, they treat and I work, they treat even the people from the islands or anybody better than a brother, a American black man, if you, the white guy or whoever's over the top you is a white guy. He not going to look at, he going to put that black guy at the lowest he can. It wasn't designed for us. That's right. You know, like, and that's one thing that I've come to groups with. I'm not finna be out here with them people fight. No. I'll let marching and all that bullshit. I'm not either. Because you got to accept that they'll never look at us as equal. It don't make sense to do it. Why would they? Now don't get me wrong, don't get me wrong. They kids don't start doing a little bit of loving the loving on colored folk, you know, so you know, but, but, but they, they ground calls and they, they still, they ain't, you know, so it probably won't change until like we, you know, some generations, that's right. You know, you're exactly right. They so far ahead of how they done segregated just the black people, the American black people anyway. I mean, so me, I don't really get caught up into the shenanigans. I'm just like, Hey, what I see are my people and everybody I'm with, we have to learn that game. Exactly. And learn how to play that game. They will. And when we learn how to play that game, we'll maintain it. And we just got to teach our people how to be good at the game that they playing. Cause we too, the game we play, it costs us time, life, you know, this and that. So we got to learn how to play that game and feed it to all ours. That's the only way we go catch up. All the way. And, and over here in America. So it's like, until we get that, we'll never God damn me catch up. And we'll never get that because, you know, it was like this, you had the house, nigga in the field. Yeah. Ain't no reparations. You can forget about all that. You have the southern nigga and the northern nigga. They'll never think the same. We don't. And that's something that happens a lot. That was another reason I started this platform because I feel like the people on the East coast never will give us how I just do. And when I put this together, when I think about breakfast club and all those people swaying all that, they'll never understand what we got going in the South. So we have to, we have to do it for ourself. And we got talent down here like yourself and other people that get totally ignored and will never be respected lyrically for the way that they treat others up there. So I will never ever bow down to that system. I'm a big Pimp C fan as you already know. He's so taxing everything is taxing. I'm not trying to hear. I love my people. And it's just Texas is more or less like the South. Like our culture, we go think different than how they think up there because they ain't have to get it. They wouldn't raise, they upbringing one like that. They thought we, they say we ride horses. Have you seen the horses? They definitely, my cousin thought that in California, they like, they don't have sidewalks. So I'm like, what the hell wrong with y'all? No, but it's stereotype everywhere because before I came here, when I was moving here, you know, friends who said, oh yeah, you're going to see them cowboys walking around with them cowboy hats and they don't have cars and all of that. It's just that people here are thinking that everybody in Jamaica have dreads and smoke weed. And it's not like that. It's just a stereotype that people have of different people from different areas. Well, I can tell you right now, I mean, I represent this. You see me when we be going to college, car go wherever, I represent Texas hard. And I love my people. And I'm going to put it in their face every time. It don't matter if I'm talking, if I'm when I'm at Jazzy Jeff, whoever. Nigga, I'm from Texas, man. And it'd be going down like that. And I'm real fly about it, too. You know what I'm saying? For my people and where I'm from, because if you don't, if you don't respect you, who gonna respect you? Thanks. So you know already. And I never will be one of those guys that I like Jazzy, but I'd never rocked to that kind of music. I'm just being honest with you, I like him. No, we resonated with Pauk, I get it. But I'm just saying, I hear him now, but I like him, but it ain't gonna never be compared to no PMC tell me something good. Never in my life will I make that lie on this platform. So that, I mean, I'll never be able to do that because of where we at and what I heard. See, when I hear you, like I said, I don't know. One thing I always wanted to know is how you pick your beats, man, and how that process is cause you be picking the right damn beats on every song, dawg. I mean, with that, it's more or less. You know, Pauk couldn't pick his beats like that. See, I mean, I go out feeling so it's like, that's pretty much how I go and pick my production. So, you know, and I'm into soul. I got an older soul, so I like a lot of things that's kind of musical, something that you can feel. I like something that a person go, put it like this, I like it when you can just jam the beat and you just literally just like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I like that. And you don't even need to wear the words, just compliment, just the icing on the cake. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you right. You know, with me, I just know what's good for me. Yeah. I do, you know. And you rock with it. Yeah, I just know what's good for me. So if I'm your van suede, then you go rock my way. Oh, really, man? Like I said, so what made you start saying Versace like that? Like, when it, I mean, cause you that, you, you're them volumes, boy. That's, it was straight consistently Versace. I mean, as you can see, it's just more or less like me just being an entertainer and knowing that I was a trendset of people, you know, they caught on the things that I did. You know, like, I mean, even when I was in middle school, you know, I used to walk around with a talum. I always just wanted to stick out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like now it's cool to be like each other. Me, when we back then, we was wanting to be different. You know, like you want to stick out. You want, you didn't want to be like, you know, like the next person. So people didn't like tease you back then when, you know, you was trying to stick out. I mean, maybe they did. But it didn't bother you. No, cause okay, I knew I was funny looking as a kid, but my dad had told me I was pretty boy Floyd when I was two or three years old. That's it. It stuck to my head. You couldn't even tell me I was ugly. It wasn't going. But that, now we didn't have no connection, but when he did, he, you know, he called me pretty boy Floyd. Every letter he wrote, hey pretty boy Floyd. And it's like, you know, shit, I'm pretty. You know, my dad called me pretty, you know what I'm saying? And it was just something that stuck with me to where I like, you know, I had confidence at an early age, people call it cocky. You know, I know my aura will intimidate a weak person. Now I know when I come in the room, I treat myself like I'm something. I know I like, because I know I am. You didn't, and I knew that at an early age. And it's like, you know, if you ain't a person who got that kind of, and just like, if you got a little girl and you get, and she pretty everybody, every time she pretty, pretty, pretty. And everybody pick up, you keep them in pictures, you know, like that's gonna give her that confidence. That's gonna be a lot of confidence. So it's like, I was good at everything. I played court, I would chubby and everything, but I'm the quarterback. Oh, you played football? I played all the sports, I'm playing the projects. We boxing, we swimming, we, you know, but I was good at everything. So with that being said, that dad was already confidence, you know, I can read, I knew how to win the teacher wants to ask the kid to read, I can put the words together better. Yeah, yeah. You know, I'm having another cat, he's stumbling. Comprehension, you know, you just, it was more or less like, you know, shoot, I wasn't even, that confidence was busting loose at early, I didn't do it until as I got older. Like, you know, dang, I had this for a while. You know, I've been in this, this kind of way for a while because people followed me at a young age, you know, people, you know, like me at it. When I did things, I was like, you know, so it was like, I knew how to get attention and handle it at the same time. Do you have any kids? I got a little girl, she's 10. She's 10, is she like you? She, I'm, I'm building that confidence, you know, cause she a Leo. So she naturally. Oh, what's her birthday? Oh, here we go. July 30th. July 30th. That's my brother's birthday. Yeah, so she, she, so. We, we Leo's. Okay, I'm a burgo, you know, but I'm a double side, but yeah, yeah. So I know she got that line in the center. So, yeah, yeah, she, yeah, she a natural. Does she rap? She can do it all. She can do it all. Yeah, she can do it all. I bet you she's a daddy's girl. No, I mean, she know, she got me wrapped around her hands. I mean, she know how it burns. Mine too. You know, she ain't got no competition, it's just her. Oh yeah, that's what's up. You know, so it's like. That's crazy. Yeah, it's just, the only daughter you got, the only kids you got. The only kid. Yeah, yeah. Him and Puga, Leroy got the same thing going on. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's my little homie. I know it, but he got, he just got a daughter. That's crazy. Yeah, you know, I mean, because I was, I always, you know, music was my girlfriend. Oh, really? So, you know, I never gave a honey a chance like that to even, like no female ain't even gave me that kind of feeling, music gave. Wow. So I never would get, I wouldn't even give a honey a chance. No, I wouldn't, no, but I'm good as gold. I ain't got no, my resume cool, stainless in the streets with any little freak. Yeah. But you know, I never, that wasn't, it wasn't even, nothing that I ever thought about even doing. Well, the times when I would definitely like, I look back at times on things that happened in the music in your career, when Birdman came down here that time. Right. I remember that, and I'm gonna be honest with you, I was excited about it, but I really wasn't, even like when you came back, I was more excited about your music, more that came back with it after that, like the way you dealt with that. You know what I'm saying for is, at first I was like, it's just a situation, cause I heard him at the radio station talking, you know, everybody heard everything. Then when it didn't happen, I was like, he said, this dude said one thing, but it didn't happen that way. Cause a lot of times people just be talking, I done dealt with stuff like that. While I done been out of town, talking to different, you've seen me with Steve Madden, you, you, you talk to a lot of men boost it. You know, like you talk and just, you know that it ain't, to me, it ain't, it ain't authentic. It ain't really, we just talking. That shit and shit. That's it. And so when I seen when you came back, I'm already had money. Man, I love that song. So I still listen to that song, even before we started to build you. Cause it's just something of resilience when I think about that, bro. Nah, I mean, and he wasn't, you know, in his conversation, let me know it wasn't nothing, but I wasn't easily impressed by nothing at that time. But I mean, I never really been easily impressed because I got it, I got it good. You know, you were already doing your thing. So it's like, nigga, I mean, what? Yeah, yeah. What's happening? Yeah. What you gonna do, you know? And once we got face to face and, you know, he let me know, I'm like, I ain't tripping that you shooting the shit, but I'm the wrong one to shoot the shit on, but I tell you what. Already. We ain't gonna say nothing about it. You shot the shit. I'm a goddamn, he make it like it's legit. And I'm gonna eat off of it. Already. And he respected it because by the time we did get together, somebody had pulled his coat tail and we're like, nah, you don't do that with him. Already. Nah, he ain't now one of them little niggas. You can't look home with him. No, at all. You know, and I didn't say nothing. That was my city ran out with it. That oughta showed him like, nah, nigga, he ain't said nothing. That's just the people talking about he signing, congratulating because the city was more awesome. Finally, man. I got damn me home. We finna get this shot. And always finna turn up. Woo-thee, woo-thee, woo-thee. So it wasn't me, it was him and the motherfucking people. I just like the way you twisted and turned it with that song, because that was smooth. But that's how you do it. I don't really expect nothing less. It was cool. I wasn't tripping. I mean, you know, at the end of the day, it's like, you know, they go out to feel me. They go out to feel it regardless cause as long as I'm alive and willing out of jail, I'ma give them hell. So it's like, it's cool. You know, if it didn't happen now, we go, we go, we'll, you know, I'ma stay outside. We go bump into each other again. That's the way it'd be. Like even on us, you know how I am with guests, be like, cause they don't know me. Nobody don't know me like that. Like a lot of cats. And they'd be like, oh yeah, oh yeah. I'ma come and then some niggas won't. I've done things like people hugging people. I say, you know what? Every nigga that nigga hug on his Instagram, I'ma bring him on the show. If I had to pay that nigga, I'ma bring him on the show. Right. When a nigga hustles like nigga, I got it. I'm not one of those niggas that ain't got it. I got it. I just decided to do something nigga. But at the end of the day, I still show respect to him. And I say, you know what? One day we'll meet again. You know what I'm saying? No. I like to hustle, man. No, thanks. I mean, that's the only way I got our hustle for it. Nobody didn't give me no. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, so, see, you're a hustler, so you respect, I understand a lot of these people in position ain't hustlers. Exactly. So they don't get a nigga like me. No, not at all. So when I'm coming with my vibe and my energy, it's a little bit too much for them because they ain't no hustlers. It was given to them now in the way that it was given to them. You know, and everything is a hustle. You know, not a lot of time is a hustle, but... Every time. My hustle made me a different kind of character. You know, it forced me to have to be a certain kind of way. Yeah. You know, and if a person's not a hustler, they won't understand it. And everything people don't understand, they don't like... 100%, man. That's good stuff. You know what I'm saying? A lot of people get intimidated real easy, too. And they're scared you're gonna take their place. No, they didn't understand me back then. You know, they were like, man, how he from where's that? Like, I didn't know how much... Like, now that would play the big part, man, that nigga from where the dollar, man. We ain't finna let that nigga, God damn me, be the face of the city. I agree. We ain't finna let him be the face. Look at him. He got all this. We can't let him do nothing like that. So it was more like, we'll let the roll, we'll let DSR, we'll let... Check out Maline, we'll let Ricky Bobby, we'll let all in, but we can't let that big chief cat cause he got the streets. And you gotta understand back then, we was the boogie era. So I'm fouted for being a little bit ahead of my time and that doesn't happen to a lot of lids. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? And I'm one of those who just had to be caught up in the twist of it. But what's good about me is that I started at an early age and I'm aged like fine wine and it doesn't came back around on me. What a circle. Like by default because, you know, them youngsters is the one who, you know, kinda took the torch and took it from the boogie movement to now, you know, may rest in peace. But his death brought us onto some street shit. Yeah, yeah. Now the world looking down is for worth as a street city and at the end of the day in hip hop, you gotta be certified by the streets before you can ever eat. Already. That's true. We weren't never certified. Now, Lil Homie Deff certified us, even though, you know, however it came about, it gave us the stripes in the industry, entertainment for us. You know, now they for real. Yeah. That was for worth for real. Everybody been known that we for real, but the face is all been friendlier. You know, it's been more boogie music. You know, now it ain't never been no raw person. You know, now it's a raw person, but the cold part about it. He the face. He ain't even heard a talk about it no more. So. But it does happen sometimes. Like Nip said, look how much love they showed him afterwards. Now, but LA already. They used to that. Yeah. Now we talking about Dallas for a word. Dallas for a word. We wasn't. We wasn't embraced to the world as that, that they see it like now them boys. Now they didn't care. They just looked at us. They didn't respect the audiences or the grind here now. They respected. And it is crazy that it took some hands to shit to go down for them to be like, they real down there. Yeah. They got some real live street shit going down there. Not saying that the streets is what is, it just got to be, it got to be stamped. Yeah. Yeah. Before any city can jump. Yeah. Yeah. If the streets don't cold, if you ain't got the street resume, the culture of the streets ain't talk show to the world. Nobody in the world go look at you just as they look at you. So do you feel like with this being, with that being said, it's a, it's a, it's a spot where we can basically now you'll start seeing artists develop faster and more. We at the table. Yeah. Now they picking boy, you better not get hot down here. They go come and get you quick. They got to get you. Oh, they go try to come get you in because now we got the attention. We got local. We got championship. You got to stand in 0607, 08, 9, 10, 11, 12. I didn't have no pro foot, my cowboy was siren. We just had, we just had what we just had with this yesterday with a, what's his name? Joc Taylor. Joc Taylor was here yesterday. You know Joc? No, but I didn't have no other, I didn't have no other live young urban, you know, they was, they were dancing their ass off. Yeah. It wasn't no other cat living up, being the fake looking like a rapper, looking like an entertainer from like how the Memphis, how Ross Nim looked like, like now, so it's like, we just, you know, we were just a little bit behind, but now we had the tape. We had the tape. We had the tape, but now, and you know, it's gonna be a whole lot easier for those who take it serious. Yeah, it's gonna be a whole lot easier. To make some music. Oh, cause everybody looking at us. We talking about taking it serious, who do you see now upcoming that you see them as taking it serious, that you see that they can go? I mean, Being in a business as long as you have a normal, I'm a hard critic. Oh, that's good. I know that. Yeah, I'm a hard critic. No, but that's good. So whoever you say, I'm gonna take it as that's the first. I mean, so I got, I got some, I got some cats that I deal with. I got a couple cats that I'm doing some projects with, you know, but at the end of the day, we got, I don't speak, the work gotta speak for itself. If you gotta ask me, then. Bro, you talking about some, I just had a guy to get in my DM say, I want to be on that show. I'm one of the best artists is I'm like, if you the best artist, you know, I tell you ain't gotta tell nobody you the best artist, the city gonna, somebody gonna tell me you the best artist. And that's my way of how I, and I maybe it may be a little cruel to catch when I say that, like, but you know, your work go tell me about you. You know, if I didn't heard about you, if I gotta ask about you, then I don't know about you. That's real. That's real. So growing up, who was the person when you first start rapping that told you you gon' go? That they saw that potential in you? I'm a grandmother. Was your grandmother? That's what's up. Yeah, yeah. Grandma gon' tell you too. Girl, I love grandmothers, boy. They gon' tell you, they down with you, but they'll tell you the truth too. My grandma hard on me, man. She made me go back in that bathtub a few times. Man, I'ma tell you what's crazy. She didn't play with me. I'ma tell you the day before my grandmother died cause she died ironically, cause she was just going for a regular little routine chicken, you know, she was like, she called me. I was like, you cool, grand. She was like, yeah, I'm good. I was just thinking about you. I was just going to tell you, you gon' make it, baby. You just keep on doing what you gon' make. And you know, I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, yeah, yeah, yeah. Grantee was the first one, you know, who let me know. And it was ironic cause my cousin, she died from an angiorealism too and I had just gave her one of my first CDs and I was still in high school. And she was like, you keep on looking, and she died ironically, but you know, they gave me that, yeah, they let me know that. So it ain't nothing really to deter me. No, no, as you can see, I'm still knee deep in it. That's what's up. It ain't about the money. It sure ain't about the money, cause I'm going to be honest with you. I seen the grind, man. It's dude, Clout was like, Corey was like, man, we couldn't keep up with him. We couldn't produce fast enough, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was like, that dude had his own thing going, man. He's like, we'll try to do something, but I couldn't. But it wasn't fair to him, that's what he told me. Like he, before I was, I mean, cause I was rapping before C. Yeah, I know. And then, you know, we got together. C turned me on to my car, man. Jamie, it was a step brother. So Corey, yeah, we were the first, he was like, bro, man, you getting all this money, chief, man. You got to get your ride, bro. You got to start getting your fly ride. I got to pee on it. I'm like, man, I'm going to get some ride. I just got cash, man. Like, you know, I was like, man, I got somebody. You don't have to worry about it. Pay your money, you don't got to sign nothing. Cause you know, I'm getting money, but I'm young. I don't know how to spend it. That's it. That's it. You know, I'm like, okay, you know, my mama, we project. She ain't got no job. So I can't put, can't keep putting everything in her name. So, you know, he gave him a car, man. And we introducing me and Jamie. We turned the city upside down. Man. I've never seen shit like it. No, no, I was only, I was asking him a lot of questions. The first, we did two interviews. We had a recant one, but, but because Bishop died, you know, but the thing I asked him in that first, and I never forget, I said, how do you feel about Leo and being a white guy and culture, vulture and all that? He answered it good too. He, he a boy from, he come from a cold cliff and that was his background. And he was like, I'm just going, I'm doing what I love, you know, and, and been genuine. Since so many jewels through here, since he came through here, my, my, this whole thing, I say a lot of it is because he called me just while ago. He just going to call me. Can you do the AT&T guy? Can you do it? I'm like, yeah, cause I'm an engineer. I can do, yeah, send them on through. I'm going to talk that talk. I'm going to, I'm going to turn up a different way, you know, because that's what we do. We, we deal with, you know, if you this way, when I see you, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to blend in, you know? And so, and, and plus I came from the streets, but I just evolved. People don't. And we don't evolve in some room. Yeah. I said, asking me to be the chief from 0607. Then I don't need to be talking to you player. Already. No, I can't be that cat. No. Quit asking about him. Yeah, he gone. Been gone. And ain't nothing you can do about it either, cause you can't get him back. No. I know cause I'm looking back at mine. He ain't coming back. I can't even be that young new. No. So I wouldn't even try. So it's like those who stuck there, we leave them stuck there. Cause if you ain't evolved with anybody that's evolved, they go love the person that I am. Already. That's it. Yeah. Like I said, with all those, man, it's a lot of e-greedies, man. It's a lot of volumes out there. And it's a lot of work. Just work, man. And, you know, I do this when I first started, for years I did it just so my kids, if something ever happened, they would have a place they could go and check me out. I would always do certain things because of that. Cause I know. And so I believe in that. You know what I mean? I told my partner the one got the place in LA. I was like, look, man, he older cat. I'm like, you gotta, you gotta do something. If something happened to your son young, man, if something happened to you, you gotta have some visuals, something he can go and look at you. He can draw from that. A lot of people don't think like that, chief. Right. A lot of them, they're too busy selfish. They not thinking about the next generation. And we gotta think on that level. Big old facts. Yeah. A lot of people don't. I mean, you know, hopefully eventually they will. Yeah. Cause they didn't have this technology, man. You know, I lost my mom and she was 44 years old. I was 24. And don't have nothing but a few pictures. You know what I mean? But we have an advantage now that we don't have to leave them like that. Exactly. Now, me and my, me and my dad, oh, so I got a little girl, but I'm the only child on my daddy side. Correct. No, I'm the only grand kid. Wow. We're just six of us. So they gonna have something for you though. See, that's the... But listen, I don't got no cousins or nothing. You don't have nobody. Just here. No, it's just in me and my daddy. My daddy, daddy from Mississippi. Wow. With the LA. So I ain't never seen him. He ain't never seen him. So me and him, it's just like, he just shot me out and it just really, just me and him on that one. Yeah. You know, like, but we ain't... And I come to grips with a lot of that shit. That's why, you know, I guess, you know, I'm okay with what I know I've been doing for mine. Oh, you did good. You know, so it's like, I know she, you know, she looking at me. She gonna always see. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cause this stuff ain't going nowhere and I know that. Nah, nah. So that's what I think people be sleeping on. What you got for her? I know you, she waiting, she braced up right there. Knowing the things you know right now, from the business side, the music side, all of that, if you could go back and tell you your 15 year old self, one thing, just to make himself better at an earlier age, what would it be? Ah, don't talk too quick. So I talk a bullshit at a rapid pace and back then music was personal to me. Fuck business. It's personal. I'm eating sleep, breathing this. So, you know, I didn't, I didn't, it ain't nothing no girl, nobody could do, like music would, music would stress me out. No, music would stress me out. You know what I'm saying? But it makes you happy too. Like I would get emotional about music. I'm emotionally detached from everything else. You know what I'm saying? Like you can't eat, I'm cool. But when that music got involved, man, I would throw it away. Type shit. You know what I'm saying? And you know, I would let people know that I knew that they were full of it off the top when this is the entertainment game. It's not the real game. And I always thought people should be real with me because I was keeping it real. You still keeping it real. But I had to kind of, it took me a while to get over that. Like to be able to get past like, man, this ain't about how real you are. Man, people gonna only deal with you for what they, what you can bring to the table. Because I went from people not having nothing to say for me or fuck with me to work when they got on me and ready to go. Oh, everybody named mama was willing to do whatever I say. So it was like, you know, I just end on the music side. Like I would just let them know that they booed. I would talk a deal. I like, you couldn't be doing no whole shit. Like even though it probably would be an unseen, unridden read, unridden rule. Like, gee, you don't have to talk on that. Now you took my money, nigga, play me. Real talk. But, but that was just, you know, that was just, I come from the streets, it's blood on that money. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And they thinking, you know, nah, I'm not the average young kid that I'ma just, no. I can tell you. And you've grown from that. Well, I was the same way. Like when I first was selling clothes for 15 years ago, when me and Pow Wilde did that deal and we made that expensive taste, that was his brand. And we was, I bought my clothes from him and it was a good amount of clothes. We spent three to five grand with him. But then six months later, we go back to Vegas and he, I'm not doing it no more. I said, bro, you can't, you can't do that. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, once you do something or you come out with a brand, but in the industry it's different, bro. They move different. Like you can do that in the industry. That's what they do. I decided I'm not selling it no more. I'm over here with the famous group. But Krista told me that's his wife, he right. You know what I mean? Like I'm really telling him like that's in the streets, you couldn't, you couldn't do that. You see what I'm saying? It's a different code, man. Yeah, now it's the entertainment game. Yeah, yeah. And that's what I realized. Now, simply, you know, so I know how to deal with the fake love. It's nothing authentic. Real talk. It's nothing authentic. Only thing authentic is when the people that fuck with you. Yo, your fans. Your fans. All of it, nah, it ain't authentic. Nah, that's why they make you sign contracts. No, that's true. Because it ain't authentic. It ain't authentic. My contract is, you know, I'm a dude for you. For you, for me. How did you and Jim Jones link up? And I know Jim Jones. You see him on the wall. Me and my wife, we talked to him a lot. Yeah, that was through my god, James McMillan. I had an entertainment lawyer who I was dealing with back there. He from New York. He one of the main guys right now. Yeah, he got YB Cardi. He got all the YB men cast. He got him signed to him. But, you know, it was through him. So I was like, you know, I did the swag joint. I already had it. And I was like, man, you know, I like that boy. He be on that, you know, he fly, you know. So I was like, man, he like, you know, I can get Jim on there. And this when he just came out with that ball and I was like, shit, make it happen. So, you know, I like Jim's man. Jim is up. Shout out to Jim Jones, Jim Bull. My partner's up there in New York. I rock with some cast. Nah, these boys, like, come on, man. These boys, like, that was New York and Dallas. Yeah. Nobody did that. I tried to make it happen to somebody. And you know who you is? You bagged down on me. I had Jada Kiss and all of them in the shoot. I know people, man. I don't know people from music. I know people from business. So it's a totally different ball game for me, but I can make a phone call and say, let's do this. And they gonna be like, yeah, I rock with you because I've been supporting their clothing brand for 10 years, eight years. T.I. been selling the coup ever since 08. You know what I'm saying? So, yeah, you gonna see him a hundred times on the wall with me because, hell, I've been spending a lot of money, man. So it's just the same. It's just it flipped on me. I used to be in the streets. Now I'm pushing this cotton, man. You know what I'm saying? That's the way I'm putting that pressure on them. You know, you gotta know how to swap it up, man. People don't, man. People don't know how to swap it up, you know? I definitely just appreciate you, man. Is this, you got to do that top three? I got one more question before that. How do you feel about the evolution of the music industry coming from tapes to CDs now? Everything's on streaming. Yeah, streaming. How do you feel and how easy was it for you to adjust to all of those changes? That's a good question. Oh, it ain't, it ain't been, man. I'm still adjusting, man. As you can see, I haven't been, I've been, you know, growing, I've been growing for the last four and a half years because, you know, I kind of lost the, the know-how to make money out for my music. I haven't transitioned to the social media world yet because I'm too busy living in the real world. I like it. You know, I've been living out for my government now. Everybody living off their user name. So, you know, I had been living out big, my 80s name for a long time before everybody else, they just called up. You know, I've been big chief. So it was like, I had to put up big chief, a big chief after he graduated. He went, he, Kayung got put up and I've been living as big chief since I graduated and that was, you know, a long period of time. And that's so crazy that you said that because whatever. I know your question next. She has me this. I don't know. Because when I'm researching, doing research on anybody who's sitting here, artists and so forth, I can find the first thing pop up is their government name and, you know, their date of birth and all of that. And I'm searching you and I'm like, all I'm seeing is Don Chief, big chief Lucas. I'm like, okay, so what is his real name? I'm like, how old is he? I'm searching, searching, searching. I'm like, I can't find all of this information. But on anybody else, it's like, I can find like that easy. That mean he ain't been rocking with it like that. Hold on. How? I mean, what you mean? How can I not find all of this information on you? Like, super easy. I mean, I'm not, I mean, I'm not, I mean, I live in a real world. Now I live outside, not on the phone. So at the end of the day, I don't, I mean, I want you to see what I need you. What I want you to see. What you want me to see. You know, if you know my government name and no, you, you'll come and buy my government name. You know, it like, it's some people, you know, they don't know chief. You dig? But at the end of the day. That's what's up. I see where you come from too. That's real, you know, cause it's just keeping everything where it's supposed to be. And I, and I still ain't adjusted. I'm just now. Like, okay, I think I got it. I got it. That's the reason I became active in November. Because I mean, I am who I am. You know, I told, that's what I told Mr. Pookie the other day. I said, you know what? Can't nobody stop you, but you, you got a big name. If you want to go social media and go big, then you can go big as you want to go. It's free. So if you want to take it there, you can say, hey, I'm Mr. Pookie. Everybody can't do that. Everybody can't say they, hey, I'm done chief. You, and there's money. That's accumulated funds behind that now. It's just, you got to know how to articulate it. You got to know how to get to it. But when you say, so, you know, everybody name ain't heavy. That's what I'm saying. So, you know, you have a name but your name can only weigh so much what you're going to do. You got to be creative. You got to be artistic. If you ain't creative, you, I mean, if you ain't that, you got to have it. You get a team of people or a person around you who can help you do that. So you can utilize your name and to make money off of your name because everybody, the best jewel you have is knowing who you are and what you're capable of but still knowing what you need. And if you know that you're not capable of what you need to do to make money, you surround yourself with the people that you can trust first of all, because that's the main thing, having people that you can trust because not everybody you can trust. Have that person around you to help you get what you need because you're not that person. You know what I mean? So you can always achieve it. Just like you said, you're now getting up to date with, you know, social media and all of that. I love where I'm not up to date with everything. My kids can do it that easy. But what I love about social media is how transparent everybody has become. Meaning like, I don't have to personally know you but then I can feel like I know you through social media because you open up certain doors. You don't have to tell your whole business but you let people in on certain things about your life. I mean, you know, your home or in your car, just what you're thinking. And they feel like, man, I feel like that, he cool. Right, right, right. Not just because back in the days it was like, ooh, I like Slim Thug. But then when I meet him and he's in the office or he's this or he's that, then I'm like, oh, I don't like him. Because you're in love with the persona of him till you actually meet him in person and you're like, oh no. But I think she made him at a bad time. So you gotta understand. We was at a bad time. You gotta understand what I'm saying. So you just streaked the speaking from an entertainment side. Yeah. Man, you gotta understand, you got some people who, you got six, nine, probably like high heels but if you catch them offside of that camera he probably talk like a little men's skin and all kinds of stuff. So it's like, sometimes people give you just what they want. Right. So you might fall in love with the persona and the real deal Holyfield may not be the totally opposite of the persona. So it's like, you gotta, the person gotta know how they're using that site. You know what I mean? So with me it's strictly for business. It'll never be personal. I seen you at a car show and you was, I don't know if that was your mom. It was like eight people with you. This is an old nine, old nine. This was, and you walk through, it was a bunch of people there, everybody were there. You know how they be at the car show. And I said, man, it's just the way you carry yourself. I'll check. I was like, man, that dude makes some good music, man. I knew then you were special, far as the music go, entertainment go. You could sit in any crowd and see a lot of people don't know how to enter that room. Don't know how to stand on that stage. But I know that I got money on big chief or done chief, whoever's standing in there, I know you're gonna be able to hold your own for Texas. I'm being real. I look at all that, bro. Even back then I'm like, oh yeah. Cause I have to stand in those places, you know what I mean? And it's like, my partner, my little underboss, he'd be like, man, I ain't never seen nobody handle him like you be handlein' him, man. You know, on business, you know what I'm like? I talk that talk when it comes down to what I do. Like you're your artist. And so when I say that, when I say you can accumulate funds, I look at people like plies and all these people, man. They do what they do because of who they are. See, you special. It's something in you that if you say something, if you decide I'm gonna do this and be artistic about it, it's gonna go. Because it's who you are. And people know from listening to all those volumes and doing it, we already know. It's just okay whenever you ready, we ready. That's the way I feel about it. No, no, no. You know what I'm saying? No, no. Nah, it's perfect timing. I seen that one you put out yesterday, that gangsta group, gangsta group. Yeah, that's nice, babe. I like that one. That one just come out. I like them kids on that too. I say kids, I'm old, man. Nah, they kids, they younger than mine after you. Yeah, but they trying to get to it. Yeah, they movin', so at the end of the day, I'm cool with, you know, what I look at myself, I'm just a vessel. I'm the bridge, you know? And it's a toll for you to fuck with me, but I'm the bridge though, you know? I know I'm the only one that can connect it. There ain't no pookie, no loochie, no tommy, no tug, no none of them, cause they not me. Yeah, yeah. That's what you gotta know there. Nah, they not me, so, you know, and I know to the streets what I am to the streets, like just as a person, you know, from the entertainment side to the mud side, you dig? Like I know, I check out, and I know how my resume stainless, you know? I ain't perfect, but I'm the perfect me. That's it, and self-awareness is everything, ain't it? Big ol' face. Nah, big ol' face, so I know, I know I gotta do it, and if it don't be done, it'll never be done, and, you know, I'm just gonna bridge the gap. Yeah, yeah, well, if there's anything I can do on this platform, let me know. If it's somebody that you, you know, rocking with, you wanna push them through, let me know. Big ol' face, I got a couple projects anyway, that I wanna bring, catch that little JJ through, you know, I wanna, you know, because I got, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You feel me where I'm coming? So when we push them through, because we growing numbers every day, and it's gonna go, because I'm gonna be consistent, and I'm gonna put our good, go look at, you see some of the visuals I put out? I don't be on the phone. I know it, but I didn't even send him none, either. At least he might've hit the button, you know what I'm saying? Yo, you gotta send me some, you know? I'm gonna send you some. I mean, because I ain't gonna search for it. You ain't gonna search for it. So if he said it, you gonna watch it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm gonna send it, I'm gonna send it, so you can just see it, the visuals are nice, man, and we're trying to make it to where, when you bring it out of project, you wanna, you know, the masses to see it, it's gonna float and go through where you want it to go. You know what I mean? Because we trying to make sure we get the right people on the right places, and you know, like I say, like guys like you making it happen, who else? Like I said, that guy, Jock Taylor, he Dallas Cowboys from 97 Journalism. And who else, who else there? Oh, just Shannon Briggs, people who are gonna put their eyes on here. See, when they put their eyes on here, then hey, man, you know, then people can be seen, and people can say, you know what? This platform is where you wanna be. So check it out, man. Big Cheap, one more. Why didn't you know you're top three? That's what I'm for to do. Okay, go ahead. You see how you did me? She jerked me back. Top three artists all the time, man. Dead or live. Pop. Any genre, right? Pop. Pop, that's one. Number one, you know. I like pop, too. That's why I'm wanting to make one. I like Titi P. Yeah, I like Titi P, too. It's something that you, I bet you I know something you don't know. I ain't never had one of it, but I'm an old man. I'm an old cat brother. I mean, because I like that nigga, buddy. Yeah, Titi P was so player. Like when you got the honeys hollywood, when you got all the cats saying they hate you, you know it's something about you. Wow, that's heavy. I like it. Now, when you got all the dudes, aw, man, I don't like that nigga. I don't like that nigga. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, and, you know, so I bought into Titi P with this doc, you know. He did his thing. You know, pop, Titi, you know. Who's that last one? Number three. Uh, I mean, pop, Pimp gone. So he got, you know, he got him in there. That's my guy right there, baby, man, whatever everybody. That's all I need right there. That's right. Man, I try to tell these cats he listening. He got an ear. Now, no, why you turning your face up like that? He got an ear. I mean, I mean, it ain't even about what the, I mean, Pimp. Educate him. I ain't going to ever say it back. He's more or less Pimp gave you the entertainer. His voice, we both got two distinct with voice. You ain't going to never hear nobody say it like this. That's what we were talking about. You know what I mean? So you ain't going, Didn't I say it? In the delivery. You got to understand that I like cockiness. So, you know, when you got a nigga talking shit squad of speed, you know, like, that's what I like. So, you know, it wasn't just about, you know, his rap, you know, he ain't, you know, but the cut he told the life, the lifestyle that, you know, people such as myself live. In myself. Yeah. He told the life so I can resonate with him. You know what I'm saying? Like a New Yorker probably won't be able to resonate with me. He don't know what you done went through and how you got through it. No, but I know, you know, but no, no. Now Pimp the one. I can promise you that. But Poc was the, you know, he the pinnacle to me because Poc hand young, old girls, boy. You know, he made all around, you know, he was just, you know, split personality like you. But you, that's what's his music. He hit every God damn thing. Everything. That's true. Yeah. No, no, no. He had the self rocking with him. Be at all. No, we didn't, we weren't on Biggie. No, we wouldn't. We wouldn't. I was a Tupac fan. I wasn't. You can't be nothing but. As much as Biggie was a descendant from Jamaica. I ain't know that. Of course. Yeah. I ain't know that. Everybody knows that. Oh yeah. Mom, I seen the movie. You know what I'm saying? Although that, I still was a Tupac fan. Of course. He dropped all, he dropped, he dropped some serious notes when he did and he, and he loved his people and he put it out there in that way. And he made it to where you had to understand that he was saying it and he meant it from his heart. And that's what you don't get from a lot of people. You can, you can rap, you know, but when you saying something and you doing it from your heart and then you hear, Hey man, he stopped what he was doing to go over here and check on a kid that's in the hospital just off the, out the blue. You don't hear nobody doing that, man. You cast don't care about nobody no more. Not like that. You won't hear about that. You have a Tupac, you have a Titi P and then you have. MC, don't, don't act like you forgot. You know what I'm saying? Thank you so much, man, for coming on the show, man. We love you. Won't be the last. Won't be the last. We wish you much success. And like I said, anytime you need to come through here, you say, Hey man, I got somebody I want to send your way. And I know it's certified by you. I got some stuff for you cause I got my own shoe coming. I got a week, I just be hush-hush because I don't care. Nah, I got the- Whatever you need, man. When your life's coming. When is it coming? We should, I got the makas. I should have my third prayer probably next week. So, if there's anything I can help you with on that, let me know. It's gonna be something that you'll want to carry. So I'm gonna just- Yeah, I'll put it up. Nah, it's some, you know, high quality. I'm gonna have it. And I'm gonna find who need it. That's what a hustler do. Oh, they ain't go, they go. They got to bring bread. They got to bring bread now. Is the price right? Big ol' facts. Okay, well- No, I mean, check this out. But you buy quality. The price is what I pay. So if you want to rock my way, then you ain't trippin'. If you want to goddamn me, rock these vines like this, then you shoot. You know, you gonna be in some exclusive quality, you know, and you gonna be fuckin' with the done. Already, man. Thank you so much, man. You keep a fan on social media. I don't want you to check it out. DunnChiefEGB, that's all me. I do got another page of DunnChief, aka BigChief, but I got, I had got CyberBullet, but I'm back DunnChiefEGB. And that pretty much gets your access to me. Man, I ain't gonna lie when I follow Dunn. I was like, I need this guy, and he follow me right back. Man, you a real one, dawg. I'm talkin' about, what, no problem. You like, boom. And then I say, I need you on the show. You like, okay, give me your number, but you ain't never hit me back. Then I hit Corey. I was like, okay, I got to get done on here. That's the only way to stay and rock, man. I get a bowload of things. I know you get them. I be movin' and groovin'. I wasn't gonna stop. I be movin', but like, you know, when certain people put in, I got off energy. I simply move off energy. I may look at a message and won't email it, but I may look at something and be like, what's happenin', you know what I'm sayin'? Like, I just go off the energy because that's just how I move, you know what I don't. I don't really trip question, and it's just, if the energy, if we connect, then it's me. Now I thank God for it, bro. Real talk, and I appreciate you for comin' on the platform, man. And it wasn't no hard thing. The brother pulled up on us, blessed our game, man. We just comin' in January. We started back up, and because of the COVID thing kinda slowed everything down. I said, in January, we're gonna start. We've been full-fledged. God, been good to us, man. All the time, man. And I think, like I said, when you ready to check back in, say, hey, E-man, I got these shoes, I'm ready, man. Nah, them boys hard. I believe it. Nah, them boys hard. You know, we go rock out, it's gonna be fun. You know, like, when you see them, I ain't gonna talk about it. I ain't ghost it or nothin'. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I already know, if I post, they gonna be in my inbox, like, you know, give me them, so. It's going down. I got something, but I see you got to set up. I'm gonna make a show, make a show, I got it in here. Say, man, boss talk 101, man. Can we out? I saw you.