 So I've over the years hung out with a lot of very strong people. These two people are very strong and strong in multiple sports and coach multiple sports. Strongman powerlifting, hair weightlifting yourself, maybe you don't coach it as much but you compete it. Weightlifting specialty, mess around with some powerlifting, strongman in general, some grip stuff, biggest biceps out of any weightlifter in the planet. And so I want to talk about without detail because I know the answer is going to be it depends. But how are we going to mix up some weightlifting, some powerlifting and maybe look a little better, right? I think the majority of people think they see maybe Alan or me doing some cleans on the internet. Hey, that looks kind of cool. I know how to squat bench and deadlift. That's fairly simple how to learn. These may be a little more complex, but they look fun. But hey, I still want to look good. So what's maybe a general outline you guys or general advice you would give if someone wants to dabble on some weightlifting, dabble on some powerlifting, and maybe do some curls in there. If you're a powerlifter or bodybuilder looking to dabble on weightlifting, I would suggest keeping it light, keeping it more like cardio until you develop more mobility needed to do the Olympic lifts. That's going to be outside your usable range of motion for your particular sport. Someone like Mike who wants to include a little bit of lifting in his routine, he wants to feel good, kind of move around, feel athletic. We're not going to do a whole lot of overhead. It's going to be really slow in terms of progress in that area because if you decide to compete in powerlifting again, this needs to be his primary range of motion that he's comfortable in. He doesn't get any benefit out of this. So just be cognizant of that if you're thinking about competing in multiple sports and mobility is a concern for you. So I take, so the question is kind of how do you incorporate these three things into a program? Because goals are as specific as we want, right? If you want to be the best deadlift in the world, maybe you can't be the best cleaner in life. Yeah, I would look at it from a program perspective. I would look at how many slots you have a week, like if I had two or three squatting slots a week, two or three pulling slots, and then just going to insert as you'd like, maybe a deadlift day, power clean day for your other pull, or some strongman stuff, just depending on how broad you want to be with the exercise selection, and then just a bunch of upper body pressing slots, which could be pressing, push pressing, technique, Olympic stuff. So that's kind of how I would plug and play in terms of pressing, squatting, and pulling slots. So a typical power lifter bench in three times a week, you might just replace one with a jerk. What about some strongman guys? You've coached some, you've worked a bunch yourself. What does their kind of training look like? Obviously strength matters, but they're doing logs and things that kind of replicate the weightlifting. Are you mixing some of that in there? Yeah, but it's primarily strength and conditioning, and then a lot of the strongman stuff is more technique stuff, like a log press. It's stuff that's a little more technical, a circus dumbbell or something, I'm going to have them practice more often, but things like carrying a keg or running with a sand bag, I'm not going to do too much because I feel like that energy is better than bench towards other things. But yeah, it's a lot of strength and conditioning work, and then technique work based on either equipment they have access to or confidence coming up, defense specific stuff. Log, and any, I hate the word carry over, we can use whatever word you want to use, too, like a clean, or you're just going to do logs as specific as it needs to be. I'd say no. I'm not like the thing on absolutes, but no. Yeah, I'm kind of that, too. I'm kind of the shitty part. I'm going to be okay at powerlifting, very mediocre at weightlifting, and I'm going to have a very mediocre physique, but I'm going to enjoy my training and be able to get all three done. If you want to be high level at any of them, you're probably going to have to get in some real specific shape. Right, yeah, you get better at what you do. And if you get strong with people, like these guys that come into your gym, if you're a weightlifting coach, just know that if you have, like if you're a really strong person, the Olympic lifts are going to be less impact on your body because your technique is going to be way behind what you can do with your absolute strength. So there's a little bit more room to play a little bit, but also just be aware that if you're competing in other sports, that sport should take precedence over your weightlifting training. If you're working with a strong man athlete and they're doing jerks, they're probably going to lean back with it, as if they're going to do like a max log press or whatever, and just have to sort of let them know that for purposes of the sport of weightlifting, it's supposed to be done like this, might look different for your sport. I'm not an expert at that. I don't know. Yeah, yeah, that's a good point. Like general systematic stress may be different from my clean because I'm cleaning 100 kilos when I can squat 500 pounds. So generally, I'm going to be able to recover from this. And right now my powerlifting training is pretty much like I would compete. Like it's not that different than I'm sprinkling this in. Enjoy you guys. Thanks for training with me. Thanks for talking to the people. Hopefully we do this again a couple times a week.