 Welcome to Toffy TV, it is a boxing special to Evertonian Boxers fighting this week, Peter McRail and Jazzard Dickens ready for their showdowns at the weekend. Welcome boys, welcome. 2015 last time you were on, long time ago. Long time ago, well lifetime ago yeah. Still the same creeper if you was like a different lifetime ago yeah, good to be right. It's good to see you mate, the British belt with you I think last time was just the most ridiculously heavy thing ever. I'll give them back up for something otherwise, as they put that in cash converters right away. And Peter you were in last season, darby week when it was looking a little bit different for Everton last time you were in wasn't it? Yeah it was a bit ropey man. Better now? Yeah, it's good to be in the decent start of the season. Better than the end of the last season, put it that way. Nah yeah, I'm happy with it, obviously not the last game but I'm happy with how things are going on the lampard. Yeah it's better than Jazzard obviously last season. A little bit worrying, a little bit worrying when getting going down to the last game and staying open. I actually thought that one point by going down here. Don't be odded. I'm getting this new grand if we're going down, it's only one. Worrying man, very worrying but things have improved and it's looking better. But obviously for you two fellas it's a big big week so let's start with you Peter. You're fighting Alexander Espinosa in a 10 rounder. You were telling me before obviously you're a 4 from 4 aren't you? But you were telling me before, you're fighting him and he's from Nicolag. But how do you prepare for someone who you maybe don't know loads about? Yeah so obviously the way I look at it I just get myself ready, get myself in the best condition I can be in. And I believe not many kids in the world would be able to live with me in the ring but I've been saying with Jazzard boxed the great Britain for years. And when you're going away to them tournaments there's just like every country's there like the world championships and stuff and even the little countries. So my country's in, you're going there, not knowing who's going, what countries are there or not knowing who you're going to fight in there. They'll be like a draw day and then you'll be fighting him. And then you're not going to know who you're fighting for the next few fights because they've got a win you know what I mean. So to be fighting someone from Nicolagur it's not really, not a new you know what I mean. I've actually boxed in Nicolagur before and once in the pros and once in the amateurs years ago in Germany. So it's just another fight. It's been doing it since I was 10 you know what I mean. It's just standard and it's having another fight in Liverpool where obviously you've got Jazzard on the card and Joe. Blaine Ireland, Frankie Stringer and then a few others but I think that's there all the time. John Edd, I was on it as well. John Edd, I was on it as well. John Edd, I was on it as well. John Edd, I was on it as well. John Edd, I was on it as well. John Edd, I was on it as well. So to be honest, I made these might be a blow like low jillolol. It's low jillolol. It's just big jillolol. Cos I really can't even say that she's coming to her. No, it's going to be, it's going to be packed out and put it on me thing now that it's probably one of the best shows that the Olympia is seeing for years now. Night. Where we're going to wave it over to win and Jazzard will be winning our title. It's going to be a belt. Si'n gwybod, i'r eich pro fel yn Llyfrfyrwyr, yw'r event ar Llyfrfyrr ond satadau. Yn gyfio bocs y Dylun Pb4? Yn gyfio bocs, all oed o'r eur yn Llyfrfyrwyr, a dyn am y cherol oed o'r tngwio o clubs, o sports, centres yn yna, ond anna'r pro ffai'ch trwy oedd ymwybun yn ei eich oed yn Llyfrfyrwyr. Ym gweld i'n neb o bocs yn oed, yn eu pwysgol, ac mae gennym wedi'i golygu. Te arwyfyr, oed ymweld i'r eur yn Llyfrfyrwyr, a wneud o'n gweld i'n gweld ymweld i'n gweld i'n gweld i'n gweld i'n gweld i'n gweld i'n gweld i'n gweld i'n gweld. Ymweld i fi nesaf o'i gweldio ajw am wnaeth eu pwysgau a chael chi am ei gweld, a i ddod o'i wneudio bocs i'n gweld i'r wneudio bocsio. Byddwn i wnaith bod hynny'n wedi bod y bwynt yma. Dwi'n credu'r jes i ddylo'r cyfreithio gynn jobio. Diolch i ei wneud y wneud yma i'r gwybodaeth, yn ddim yn fathog. Rwy'n fathog, roedd yn fathog. Ie dŵr fan i ddechrau i fynd i gael yn fathog. Gofyn datblygu ym MWC. Fyn i dŵr ar hyn a fathog. Charm o'r rhai a chog erbyn i gael a phosie. Dwi'n rhai a pwynt i ddych chi, oherwydd mae'r gyfrifiadau, am ymddarnol â hynny. Oau sy'n fanym yn fany o bocs yr un o'r ffordd o European? Cymru. Gweffi? Cymru. Mae'r sgwr y ffordd o ffordd o'i cyfei. Byddai'r sgwrs yn ei peth yn gweld fel trwy. Mae wedi'n ffordd o'r ffordd o'r ffordd o'r ffordd o'r ffordd o'r Ffordd. Mae'r sefydlu yn ymdrech. Mae'r FFOP ac mae'r FOP yn ymgyrchu. Mae'n ffordd o'n ffordd o'r ffordd o'r ffordd. ac mae gennym i'n gwybod i'r rhanerau a'r gweithio, rydw i'n 17 yn y bwynt. 17 oedd y bwynt wedi'u yn rhan. Rwy'n amser, sefydlu i'r 17 yn y bwynt. That's what I know really. It's a little bit on YouTube. Like Peter said, you back yourself and you see how life is like of him going for a race. I feel like I'm going in a Ferrari and he's going in a Ford. That's how you feel when you put it. You just back yourself, you don't really worry about what he's going to do. You train for it yourself, you're confident. Ac exceeded mewnık m hits together in the end, ac roasted myself. You can't pass up night at that experience in your own time on a bill like this. You walk past that place as a kid, playing around with your mates that you were never going to fight for a title in there or what when you were become a professional in there, and like Peter said, it would be a shame not to carry on but you can go back直 to say you never fought in the olympia. You know, ta f breakdown on your collective.". Is it just the case of being single minded with that, that you don't know what your opponent is going to bring? Could it be ideally would you like to know more about him or do you think it is better just to concentrate on what you've got to do when you get in the ring? It's not one of them. It's not one of them. We're not getting in the ring and we don't know nothing about it. You don't know what I mean, but you just don't want to get dragged down too much in. My opponent does this, my opponent does that. You just want to stick to your game plan basically. Obviously different people are different, but I just think if you make yourself 100% in the gym, you listen to your coach if there's anything in particular that you need to know. You know, tactic wise, like he's going to throw loads of lefts, he's going to throw loads of rights, then your coach will have you working on that in the gym and he'll let you know what you're going to mean. But as a sport or anything else you just think worry about yourself, don't worry about your opponent too much until you're in the ring with him and he's going to take your head off. Are you the same? Yeah, I think in football teams it's like you know, we've got these tactics but we know we're left back so we're going to play down the right. It's nice to know that, but then again we're all going to kick a ball and we're going to get stuck in so at the same time don't focus too much on his left back because you might not even come on. That's me, so it's one of them. More important, you've got to feel confident haven't you? Obviously we're building up too, what does this week look like for you two then? Do you want to go first? What's your week building up now? Just not much training really, just a little bit of sharpening pads, making the weight really, cut down on the foods. How hard is that? Is it hard? Yeah, it's hard, obviously. As I said I've been boxing all my life, well since I was 10 in life. Properly appreciate food, you know what I mean? I don't think there's any boxer there right now who doesn't appreciate food. Any way in? That's all I'm thinking about now is Friday. I have been saying from Sunday, I think it was like five sleeps now it's like three sleeps. Tomorrow it's going to be two sleeps. A Christmas Eve? A Christmas Eve. I don't know what I mean, obviously not in too greasy on it, but obviously just pure carb past that. We know what we're going to eat in two days' time and I mean it comes to that point. I've changed something with Paddy the baddie and I've been talking about it when he said he's just like spending the last couple of days just looking at YouTube videos of people making food. It's not what it's like cos you have Paddy and I want a biscuit, you know what I mean? There's no biscuits in there, it's not how bad it is. It's making a list and all that kind. Yeah, you're on that Mac Stoney, you just nailed it, man, he's dead fast three times on the video on there. I met Bade meet foods in the Chelsea football game and I was like, there's Bade, there's Bade. No one knew who he was, mine knew cos I've been watching him, you know, before when and stuff like that. So is it that bad that you're thinking, ah, you know what, I'll just have a nice machine. Sometimes it depends how you make the weight as well. If you haven't made the weight that well, it won't get worse. You start writing a list of food and all that. Of what you want? Yeah, drinks and then you go, do you have it as the night? Well, as the night before, he drinks out the after, he goes off and down, he has to laugh, laugh, laugh, laugh. You buy it all and you don't even want it after you've weighed in, you know what I mean? So you think you'd sell me before, I didn't know this, obviously. It's a ceremony. It's a ceremony, but then you have to weigh in, but then you can put some weight back on. Yeah, but you can put the weight on, but you don't want to. You obviously don't want to eat stuff that's going to break you, do you? You don't want to eat stuff that's going to break you, do you? Obviously, you're an nutritionist, you're not always eating the right stuff, so that would get you up properly and go on in the ring feeling as strong and as sharp as we can. I've got a rash of this because obviously I couldn't fight me by out of a paper bag, you know? So, hey, why do you want to go in somewhere where you're going to get it? And B, like, how do you prepare yourself before? Because obviously you're going in, you're both going for lengthy fights, yours is 10 rounds, yours is 12. Yes. How do you prepare yourself mentally for going in there? How do you get that like single mind and sort of like I'm going in for a scrap, you know what I mean? You've obviously both done it a long time, so it's just like game face time. Yes, it's when the kids, when you start off, you know, five sides in the school football ground, you're playing till the whistle goes and you go and feed it, then you go and play out what you made and you have a, you know, 10 minutes each way and then you go to 30 minutes each way and then you're seven or side, then you're 11 or side. Just like that, really. But you're getting it? Someone's punching it, someone's trying it, yes. My face shows it now, doesn't it? You don't feel it, you don't see it happening, you know? It's just natural progression, like anything in life, any job. That's fine for you. Yes, it's just, for me now, like, probably for jazz as well, it's just our life, you know what I mean? It's just like it's a lifestyle. It's a job. It's a job, yes, but it's not. A job is just like people get up at nine bells. We probably get up early at nine, but I mean people are getting up at nine bells, and they just don't enjoy it. We love what we do. I don't love dieting, but I love boxing. I love my life, I love what I do, you know what I mean? I couldn't imagine myself doing anything else, but it's just standard for us, really. I think everybody finds it will have that one thing that they don't like. There's a part of it. I believe that's what you get paid for. The bit you don't like. You can say we love our job, we do it for free, but then there's a part of it that you don't like. That's the part that you get paid for. For me, that's sacrifice and going away from my kids, from me being in my family and stuff like that. That's what I get paid for. On the diet, at the end of the month. You get paid for the diet. But it makes great money, you know? It's a bad thing, it's too good. What do you think about the body? He's every fighter. Only now he does it on camera, you know what I mean? That's what fighters are like. He's brought up so much being like that. He's led on to a thing that people love to say. I think we just do it on the slide. We don't know what Jesus is. I see him trying to make the weight, and he's like sleeping with electric blankets on them and everything, and water bottles, and he's sweating it out, and all that just to fit the way in. If he's had anything like that way, you come into the way and you think, I'm going to have to visit the R3 black bin line and sit in the sauna job, or you're far more in control. I'm not going to be able to do what I'm doing for much longer. It's physio, and that's been like... A bit of a different culture the MMA does. It's not like boxing. You're just more measured, so it's like you'll say, I've got to get to this way, so everything's got to start being pulled back now, so that I'm not struggling for the last 12 hours. We do still do a little bit of weight a week off, but I think, as you said, the UFC fighters look a little bit different to what we do with them, whether it's what we're getting, we might be getting it in the air, the more than what they do. Over like six or 12 round wars, as opposed to if sometimes they go to the floor and that don't do, but obviously there's some heavy elbows kicking in there in the UFC, there's some naughty fights, but I don't know the weight, the boxers in the UFC fighters have seen to do the weight a little bit different. That's what I'm going to say. That's what I'm going to say. My biggest fear, I wake up from nights in the middle of the night, nightmares, taking a like a kick. Taking a like a kick. Because you've seen, obviously Molly, not the big head of town in my bowl, Molly she's talking about having a couple of fights and going into boxing, because that's her thing, isn't it? She's boxing as a young age, and she wants to get back involved with boxing, but you don't fancy going in the Hexagon now. That's what I'm going to say. He's like that now, I'm getting kicked in the leg, and you're smacking. I'll fight against another boxer. Yeah, yeah. If you can't use your legs yet, no legs. I'll just stand up. Yeah, maybe. No kick. Why don't you play in the game? Stand them back. Is that what it is? No leg kicks, no blows in the leg. My son takes me down on the floor. Oh, come on. Get up, you can't play on the floor like this. Oh my God. I went to UFC with the... No, UFC. Bellator in Ireland last week, and I got off. I just said, what do you do when you're on the floor? I don't understand the rules. I'm obviously highly technical, but I can't see what I'm looking for. And he took them down on getting off. That's it, I do know. I can't watch this now. I do know. So what will a Saturday be like for you two then? Obviously you know your fight. Like what time? Any clue what time you're fighting? I think I'm more around about eight o'clock. Eight o'clock, yeah. I'm more about you, Josh. I am looking at the thingy it. I'm having your OK. So therefore... I just know the show starts at four. Four. Nice. So what will your Saturday look like for you then? Listening to everything that I have at five. It's a swerve, that goes like... At five? I was probably going to be fighting. I'll probably be checking the scores. But you'll be fighting Alexander Taylor. That's the worst thing you've done. Josh should have been able to be in the rising guys, doesn't he? I'll probably be at the Olympia. Right, yeah, yeah. I'll probably obviously have the scores on, checking the scores on that. Would you watch Joe or would that mess with what you're trying to do? Yeah, I'll be quite happy. Nah, nah. That's happened twice on it. I've booked on two shows the same reason. I'll probably get more nervous for that Joe. That's what I was going to sell, yeah. I'll probably get nervous, but it's a different kind of thing. When you know he's going to win, you know what I tell him. Yeah, I suppose I know. Maybe something you need to look at down the line in it. One of my mates, John Everton, fighting on the build, he's my friend, I manage John. And he's on Eric Cards as well. So I'm asking all of us how do you feel when he's on? Because... Are you going to watch it as you're just going to have to try and see you now? Yeah, of course I'll watch it. I don't want to get too invested in it. I was going to say that. That's what I'm getting at, your emotions, because you've obviously got to be, you're a content, you've gone to work, aren't you? You've got big prizes on the line, you can't get. Because I can just automatically, you know, release and over, like your brother. You know, like watching your brother doing it, and then take your area. Right now we don't know what can go wrong because we don't want to think about that. No, no. That's the fear of what... Yeah. Anyway, is it even worth paying any mind to him because he can get so invested? No, I don't... I'm not trying to get in your head and saying, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. You know what I mean? I just mean would you watch like someone else on it or is it better for you to keep yourselves to yourself? I'll probably be in there to watch a jollyw. Will you? For the last two like it, there I'll probably just go on. And did you box after among the two that you've been on and you're alright by the time you've come to fight? Yeah, obviously getting nervous for my fight and then... I mean for his fight and then... Put your ideas once you win. Once you win. When I boxed in I think it was me that was my second fight. No, when I did my last one before when he won that it was like... it was like I weren't even fighting that sort of thing. But then the sooner I started warming up on that it's sort of a comeback. I think it would always come back now but after he won that it was like, yeah I'm surprised at him that we're flying. A lot of fights have like rituals and like superstitions, you know what I mean? Something wrong, something wrong. This is it, the light, you know what I mean? It's an old man that's meant to not be. Not that I feel like that or you feel like that but some fighters do, you know what I mean? And when you win oh yeah, this is our night. Don't we all have that with like saying I have it with like pair of socks or something up on everything? Oh my God, no. Did they have these on when we won? So for you where you're in control or people are in control but when I was playing footy and all that it's like you should walk out last and it had to be the last person to walk out and all that kind of stupid things obviously but you like that or do you not? Do you not really have any? I still have control in it what's in your kid you've got no control. No control, yeah, yeah. He's just got a watch. He's just got a watch in it because you know that he had a control. Will you get nervous? Is it good to have some nerves? Because obviously you're going to work. There'll be a great crowd there and you know, your scouts is not all that behind it. I definitely will last on my phone. The good though, the good aren't you? For some people for some people I know. Yeah. Maybe? Yeah, it depends how you think. I think the science behind it, the fact that nerves and excitement are both the same feeling depending on how you see them I don't know. There was a mum before going out into the Olympia when I fought there one time and Mimi Arffill was behind the stage, backstage coming out and we just both overwhelmed. I started crying overwhelmed with like gratitude and just like so happy. I was like, oh get it together with the music. You can get the all sorts of emotions and stuff. I reckon that nerves and that definitely made you a bit more switched on. Yeah. You know what I mean? Fighters. The fighter or flight you want to be there for the fighter. They're a good thing nerves like, it's good to have nerves. You don't want to be going in too relaxed, you know what I mean? Yeah. I mean you don't want to get too warmed up. Obviously it's just a balance. Yeah. Obviously you're sitting with the pity to go to some part behind you there and I think one of the big box and the venture over the last few years obviously it's only bell you to fight there and put on a tremendous display. Now, and now times running out on on evident being at the stadium but is that something that you should love to do? If it isn't a Godderson maybe down on the banks of the Royal Blue Mesa when we move through on Newground but is that something that you've would be like something that would appeal to you fighting at an evident stadium? Yeah. When I came on toffee TV at the British title, I think it was that week I went on to Godderson at halftime with the with the fighter. Yeah, he come out didn't you bit the feld so? I came out, he was a clap and there was an applause I couldn't believe it it was like wow I couldn't even imagine what it would be like fighting in there and the sprinkle it was on and go back in the tunnel you don't even know what you do with it. For you'd love that. Yeah. Imagine being the last one we got a show probellum pushing us in this direction we got the last show in Godderson park imagine yesterday there or that would be like or even to open up a show in the Newground you know. Tarapie, a mi natbwy bylo. I think Tarapie amazing. Well if you look at this bill mi jaze, I think I Joe I don't think I know I Joe's a blue I think Frankie Stinger's a blue. That's four already. He was the one who said he thought it was a blue. I feel like Blaine's a blue as well. What's her do? He's a blue now. He's a blue now. If you want to be on the card I don't want to be on the tape. So there's half a toast. Basically all of the scousers started on a blues and we'll turn big to love in it. Yeah to love's got to be a blue as well. And just get just get Bill you day to come and say to something and there's another blue and then you're short and that. That would be that would be tremendous wouldn't it? And I think like obviously he'd live a blue loves its box and doesn't it? So the A4. Well Bill used my manager and he was telling me the story about before he got the fight he was a he was in the movie and it was played out the movie played out in his real life. It was unbelievable. That was great. I remember him. But we wanted to be he was the only person two boxing then. Yeah of course. Maybe he won't let us. Maybe. Maybe. Do it in the new stadium then. Out in the new stadium like yourself. I think he might make us go fight in the new stadium. Because evidently obviously we'll want to have more of it. It's not just going to be football. You want as many events as you can put on in those places and keep living. You go on but I think that would be something to that would be tremendous wouldn't it? You can put it off in the book and I think that evidently there's like more of the people's club and I think that they see that they have got young scousers doing well with the boxing and they do a lot in the community as well and it's amazing the club and I think that they're right behind stuff like that. I think it'd be that would be incredible especially for like two lads like yourself like being an example to the young lads who are growing up on a box or whatever and get a few more evertongians out of it as well. I think you don't want to be a boxing fan. You're just an event in it. Ever an event. You can be celebrated with us and I think a lot of people will go there just for the fact that it's ever an event alone. Yeah absolutely. But it does help if you know if you sell me as evertongians especially if you're at like half a dozen if you're all blue noses like people get you know what we're like we love getting behind evertongians. So you know that's the cat. Do you remember the last time you went in professional time people's you last time when Billy Ford was in? Nah that was young then but he was a few beds on the undercard and I went on in and I came in and I was like I was young then. Is that that little bit of like I'm going to be nice for the get on here. Yeah. I think well it's different situations emotional companies and stuff like that. You can cross over and stuff like that but I think all the blue noses now like do you know the love should sign for Probellum? Yeah definitely. The stick will stick together. Stick together. Stick together. Why not? Why not? So what is there what's there to come then come on obviously when we had year on in 2015 we had a chat and you were like I'm going to be world champion you know you still and notice you still run like 96 miles a day or whatever you run you run like show for running don't you you told me you got into that last time we sat down and spoke show. I don't want to keep the demons up high like most people do you know keep the devil out so yeah I just enjoyed it I had a fear running really but But we did speak about you being a world champion me and that was that was the thing. Yeah we fought for a world title after a fight against a fellow called Gwyllir Merigond I was going to fight I was probably going to pound pound fight at the time we lost and then I had to be built again and then I fought for another world title we lost that I was just Brazilian and persistent and I'm not going to give in till I do get the world title you know third time lucky mate third time lucky third time lucky third time lucky third time lucky third time lucky that's the one mate that's the one you know I mean that'd be unbelievable it'd be tremendous wouldn't it be absolutely and what for you like it's that when you like do you chat your kind of terrain as a box or do you look and go like world champion that's like the big thing or is it you just have to take it like fight can't I like fight by fight do you have an ultimate like if you got well give answer first because obviously you've got the opportunity to see this out now what I think is that you do yourself on your success when your success doesn't come you think what's going on why is it going wrong why am I not number one as far as it's coming from the amateurs Peter won't every single year and what happens is when you win every year you get used to it when you're not win every year you start thinking even when the first who uses a professional boxer you just building yourself you're not winning titles but you're not getting the gold and you know what I mean and then what's going on are you like so maybe if you let that Peter, you're hungry just to win more and more and more become like that he's bought a thing and you just want more and more and more it's got a lovely thing see what do it has, doesn't it what about you is that like what I was saying or if you've got an end goal or is it literally I'm just gonna I think everyone's saying I'm pro, really. The main goal, the end goal is what they want to become a world champion, some people might not believe that, but I fully believe I'm going to become a world champion, do you know what I mean? I won't just win one belt I believe, I'm going to hopefully win a few belts at a few different weights as well, but I just want to keep making my family proud, making me gym proud, where I've been all my life, and throughout the amateurs I was always, as I said I was always winning things, winning medals at major tournaments, and the standard of that's high, and that's made me fully believe that, with the correct teaming army, good coaching and that. That I can meet the top of the sport and I'm going to be my first year as a pro now, I'm having my first 10 rounds and I'm starting to push for the belt to get a title for me, because I believe I'm good enough to start fighting for a belt and I want to start climbing the rankings as soon as possible, but obviously they couldn't get a title for this, but it's only a matter of time before I start climbing the rankings and winning major belts. I just want to keep bringing good nights of boxing to Liverpool, boxing on all belted shows, this is me fourth fighting in Liverpool and every one of them has been a boss card with brilliant fighters on, and the crowd has always been behind me and behind all those couch boxes, so that's just what I'm looking forward to over the next few years, it's going to be a, it's basically just a start of my pro journey, but it's going to be a belted not just for me, I've also got a job as well. He's 19, so he's going to have even longer than me, so it's going to be a, just a boss for us and the family tonight, yeah? Yeah, it's absolutely brilliant, he keeps it set and I'm good luck, you must be decent, because you know, you still got the baby lucks having you. I'm the best not to get it like that. So you know I'm shit. Shut up mate, shut up, he's been going longer than I am here, he's been going longer. It's all good, listen lad. My family boxed up here didn't they? My dad boxed, my other grand, my dad's dad boxed, and I think my mum's dad boxed for a bit as well, but even when I used to go to like Wayans as a schoolboy on that, juniors on that, and now like the officials did see like the, me name McRail, and he'd say, oh you're related to Jimmy, there was someone called Jimmy McRail and he was meant to have been like. Obviously he must have been good, because a few of them, even like all over England, they'd always say, oh you're related to Jimmy. So if you don't have your family tree. I haven't done my family tree like, but I think he was like my granddad's cousin, and I'm like that's your name. So it's just in, it's in me all day. I reckon it's come down through the jeans like that for me. It's your birthday. It's your only day in your desk in for the tattoo, well champions, on a sofa will be lovely. So make sure you come back in and say it. But listen, all the best this week, I'm sure it'll be tremendous and good luck. And good luck obviously to your kid as well. There you go, make sure you support the lads who've been getting their soundings great. Come for the big wins this weekend, and hopefully have it, no win as well. It'll be a tremendous weekend. It'll be a decent sati. All right, wouldn't it? Nice sati, nice sati, nice. There you go. Let us know if you're going down there as well to what you're at the Olympia. And big thanks to the lads for coming in. We'll see you later.