 I'm Sheila McNeil and Martin and I work together at Cetus so we know each other well so hopefully this will be an interesting conversation for us both but it's been good for us to have this time to catch up and have a chat because you've been really busy and I had quite a busy day yesterday as well so hopefully it'll be an interesting conversation. I think this is probably about my 7th or 8th. I try and come every year though it doesn't always work out so sometimes it's alternate years but I've definitely been for the last three in a row to a couple of other ones but I always enjoy it. Have you ever come across sight at old to see and thought that it's just marvellous, brilliant or is it more of the general experience? I think it's more of the general experience about old and I think the good thing about old I always feel it's like touching base, it's like finding out what people are doing and what they're talking about and I think there's quite a lot of reassurance at old. I've noticed that yesterday and this morning similar things are coming through and I think that's really good to have that when people come from different institutions and different sectors as well as people from colleges and universities and people from schools so I think that's good. Particularly relating to the sensible use and appropriate use of technology. What sort of things have you picked up over the last day and a half? A lot about listening and listening to learners which I think is something that is really obvious but sometimes we do forget so that was your key. I went to a really interesting presentation from Sue Bennett from Australia yesterday and she was just talking about some work she's been doing about researching how students use technology and there were just some really interesting points there about sometimes we forget that we just presume that the kids know how to use things because they've got smart phones, they've got tablets, they've got this and that and they're always connected all the time but they don't know how to contextualise a lot that communication and how to use the technology in an educational setting. We probably need to do more as educators to help our students be comfortable so that they can use it appropriately. So it's a combination of digital literacy skills and actually using the appropriate technology and thinking about that technology didn't work, sometimes it's not the technology's fault. It's because we actually haven't set up the right environment and we haven't made sure that people can contextualise themselves. So that was really interesting and yesterday was quite a busy day for me because I would kind of spot my session, my invited talk session. But I think it was really interesting, again some of the key notes from the student voice about engaging and I think kind of the wider civic responsibility of universities in particular that resonated with me. That was something that I was in one of the sessions with a couple of University of Nottingham people talking about ebooks and their nukes and things like that. But I think Nottingham in particular is quite fitting that we're here, they seem to have adopted a social position which is very open so it was quite nice to see what they were up to. Is there anything you're looking forward to over the next day and a half? A couple of the key notes, looking forward to what Stephen Dines is going to say because again we don't need controversy but I'm sure Stephen will have a really interesting take and maybe he'll see things that are happening in the UK in a different way than we do. So that'll be interesting to hear his tea and yeah there's just lots going on. I don't think I can really highlight any other one thing in particular. Obviously there's my session tomorrow so people are still undecided what to go to come and listen to me talking about MIX and my reflection on it as a student. And you should tune in to Sheila who occasionally is a mook agony ass on how she was using it, I think it's your new blog. It's quite fitting though then to thank Sheila for your time and just to say that as well as Stephen Dines' keynote being streamed tomorrow we hope to have him on the couch as well. You can maybe get a little tantalising glimpse of what he might say so thanks very much Sheila.