 Good evening everybody just wanted to mention really quickly that we are waiting for one member stuck in traffic And he said he would be here shortly. So that's why we're a little bit late this evening. Thanks Okay, good evening Like to call to order the regularly scheduled meeting of the city of Santa Rosa Design Review Board on November 7th 2019 We will start off with a roll call Patty Can you give us a roll call let the record reflect that all board members are present except for vice-chair Hedge beth? Thank You patty Item number two on this evening's agenda is approval of the minutes from October 3rd Anybody have any changes corrections amendments to the minutes? All right seeing none the minutes go on record Board business And this is where we discuss the purview of the design review board versus other boards and commissions in the city The review authority shall consider the location design site plan configuration and the overall effect of the proposed project Upon surrounding properties and the city in general Review shall be conducted by comparing the proposed project to the general plan any applicable specific plan applicable zoning code standards and requirements Consistency of the project within the city's design guidelines Architectural criteria for special areas and other applicable city requirements. So that defines the purview of our board a Couple of other items for board business that I wanted to get out there We have a long agenda this evening So we will be taking a break to have a quick meal at 6 30 ish Depending on where we are on the agenda And we will do that as expeditiously as possible I also wanted to take this time to address a couple of items one being the Kincade fire I think it's appropriate that given the venue and that we're building in fire zone areas that we first of all thank our first responders I want to thank our city town and county elected officials for their leadership during the Kincade fires I also want to thank the sheriff's office and police departments city and town staff Because they transition out of their roles and they go on to their emergency roles and put on different hats and make Sure that we as a community stay safe. So we can want to thank them Also wanted to thank the second responders Those would be the nonprofits and the volunteers who come together to make sure that the first responders are well taken care of and those impacted by the fires are taken care of and I wanted to talk about the need really quickly for third responders The third responders are the ones who come in and help the economy get back in shape There were quite a few businesses that were evacuated. There were quite a few people that were impacted and so we really need to take some time to you know focus on those businesses in the coming months and really do a great job of Shopping local supporting local small businesses Because they also are the ones who hire the majority of our labor force In particular, I know that the Sonoma County Alliance in the center as a Metro Chamber Or spearheading an effort with other chambers in the impacted areas to really push hard for a shop local through the end of the year So if everybody can be mindful of taking your finger off the Hit button on the buy on your computer and instead maybe getting your vehicle and drive down to the local merchandise store or Visit your favorite restaurant a few more often times through the end of the year. That would be fantastic And you know bearing in mind that you can keep a focus on those low-wage earning You know businesses where they're hiring the people that might be living paycheck to paycheck Give them a little extra support that would be fantastic And if you could spread the word to your micro communities in that vein, I would appreciate it And then I did want to just take a moment to remind us that we need to continue to support our victims of the 2017 Tubbs fire some of those people have rebuilt and repopulated their homes may have gotten a bit nervous In this last evacuation some people are continuing to build We want to encourage them to stay in the community and be part of the community and those who were on the fence whether they're gonna build or not You know, I think it's Important to re-embrace those folks Two more quick items one is Veterans Day We won't have a meeting between Veterans Day and today, so I just wanted to acknowledge veterans Monday the 11th is Veterans Day There are several veterans Ceremonies happening on Monday, so if you can go attend and support our veterans, that'd be appreciated And then lastly, I wanted to thank the applicants in the room and that'll be in front of us tonight For making an investment in Santa Rosa. Thank you very much. It's it's appreciated and And needed so thank you Last item on board of business before we hit the agenda hard is that Again, it is a long agenda. So I'll remind my board members to keep comments succinct Let's try not to repeat each other And we'll get down to the brass tacks when we talk about friendly amendments on those that we're moving forward and on concept designer view Let's just focus on what's going to make it a better project and a more meaningful project for the city With that, we will move on to public comment This would be Comments on items not on tonight's agenda, but that are within the purview of the design review board Any public comment on items not on the agenda specific to an item? Okay? Seeing no one approach the podium. We'll go ahead and close public comment each item as they come up We'll have their own public comments periods so if you're to speak on a particular item, you will have your chance I Remember five statements of abstentions by board members any abstentions tonight Yes, three items number one four and five Six point one six point four and six point five correct. Okay Thank You Brett any other abstentions Seeing none We will move on to scheduled items and the first thing I'm going to do with scheduled items is rearrange them So in an effort to Get staff or some of the staff on their way earlier than later We are going to move items six point five downtown station area specific plan update preferred alternative study session to the first item so with that I'd like to welcome a planner Patrick Streeter is going to give us a presentation and Brett's going to step out quickly Thank you chair concave members of the design review board Patrick Streeter with the planning and economic development department The item before you is a study session on our downtown station area specific plan And the purpose is to go over what we're calling our preferred plan concept And get feedback from the board regarding this this item So most members of the board are familiar with this slide. You've seen it before But for the benefit of those who are tuning in or in the audience We have a downtown station area specific plan. It was adopted in 2007 Anticipating the opening of the smart station. It was meant to encourage transit oriented development in our downtown Envisioned around 3400 new residential dwelling units as well as around half a million square feet of non-residential floor area being constructed Unfortunately, we are now more than halfway through the plan area on these graphs that are up on the screen the The bar on the left is what was envisioned the bar on the right is what it was actually constructed so you can see Especially with the housing development We only had 100 units actually constructed during that time in the downtown area So we've fallen very far short of the expectations with that original plan to that end the city council and setting their priorities had downtown development and downtown housing as top tier priorities in response the the city reached out to the Metropolitan Transportation Commission the MTC and Received a grant for a plan update. So we're taking a multi-prong approach at addressing the need for development and housing downtown one of those approaches is actually to update this downtown station area specific plan The plan area is different than what people may perceive as as what downtown is So it includes both the courthouse square and railroad square areas But it also includes several residential areas and major arterials roughly bound by college having to the north highway 12 to the south Dutton to the west and Brookwood to the east and Where are we in this update? The first phase was our deep dive into issues and opportunities That's when we did the background research We did the technical studies to figure out what the barriers were to that original plan why we weren't realizing that vision Also to get the outreach get people on board let people know we were doing this update and get as much participation as possible And also assess the vision So it was the vision that was that we had in 2007 is that still hold up for the vision and the needs that we have now in 2019 So that phase has been completed We are now in phase to Alternatives exploration the point of this of this phase was to use all that research and feedback that we had We developed three alternatives. So these are ways that the plan could could turn out And again, we went out to the to the community. We went out to our boards and commissions and got feedback on what concepts Were were people were comfortable with what concepts they liked from each of these Different alternatives. We also went to what's called our technical advisory committee That's made of technical experts both within the city and outside agencies to determine then the feasibility of implementing these different concepts Based on all this outreach, we've come up with our preferred plan concept, which is before the board tonight And that is the result of all these previous steps of outreach the next step with this concept We plan to use the month of November to again go through outreach make sure we got it right identify any red flags and hopefully before a study session of the council and the planning Commission on December 3rd Present this preferred plan concept if we get the green light from the council on that night We'll move into the next phase of this which will be the real detailed work of doing environmental review Making sure we can implement this into our zoning code update our design guidelines and our general plan to reflect and make sure that they're all consistent with this plan moving forward and So the the purpose of this preferred plan concept as I mentioned it kind of summarizes the consensus that we had from all these Previous steps it lays out the vision and then we figure out what what steps we need to take to actually implement that vision And it also Identifies the the framework for how this plan will look so as I mentioned this is a concept so it is it's very broad brush strokes And we will drill down into the details as we move forward So based on that background research that I mentioned previously As I mentioned we did have lofty projections for the original plan and we fallen short of those But we we have done our economic analysis analyses and going with the regional housing needs and the job demand and housing demand We've actually found capacity for more than 10,000 new units in our downtown Additionally, what's different nowadays from back in 2007 is we have Economic incentives that might actually help to spur development including the the recently Determined federal opportunity zones that are both in the downtown core as well as the Roseland area Which is directly adjacent to our downtown specific planning area So in response to this we have our our alternatives that we pushed out and then this preferred plan alternative Does envision 7,000 new units as opposed to the 3400 so we've roughly doubled What we we think we can we can encourage development to include in our downtown Some of the barriers that were identified There's a perception of a very lengthy and uncertain permit review process here in the city As this board is aware of we've worked closely with with this board as well as our other boards and commissions on the council to Really make a simple streamlined process and and eliminate a lot of that uncertainty for development and We've we've seen results reduce the timeline around 70% for a project that's then checks all the boxes that meets the Needs that we're asking for and beyond just project review we've also worked internally to reduce the the the permitting process time from Conception of a project all the way through the issuance of building permit where we can find Efficiencies we're implementing those and really trying to speed up the process and make it a clear path Obviously 2007 when the plan was adopted we had we were on the cusp of an economic downturn The market has bounced back in a lot of parts of the Bay Area. We're not seeing it as much up here And one of the reasons is that there's there's really an unproven market for these types of developments We don't have the the high-density residential downtown that other areas do We also have a relatively new form of transit that you know as it's it's expanding by the end of this year It should connect to the larks per ferry, but at this point it's it's an isolated transit system So those are those are working against us and there's not much that we as a city can do Other than look for ways to to get some catalytic development to actually prove the market and start to have some of these Projects take place that then other developers can look at those and get their comparables and see that it's it's not as risky Adventure as it might initially seem So as I mentioned a way to deal with these these economic barriers that we have is to really bring in projects We have a lot of city-owned properties downtown that we can leverage to for part public private partnerships Try to get some of these catalyst projects off the ground. We can also take advantage of our job centers we have a series of of Different job centers including tech technical industries the medical industries education That they are looking for places to house their employees So we can really form partnerships with them and then take advantage of that as well And also just increasing the rooftops downtown. There's a lot of underutilized space There's a lot of surface parking lots as we start to intensify development It feeds into that bad development pattern and then you get more of that supports it. So these are all ways that This plan alone won't won't address that but we are taking this multi-pronged approach as I mentioned to To try to spur development in the downtown Additionally regulatory barriers. I mentioned previously. There's this there was a perception of It being difficult to to move things through the process. In addition the existing 2007 plan had very strict development standards. There were heights ground floor requirements setbacks There were also several different sub areas as well as land use types different street types So as a property owner It's difficult to know what you can even do with your property because there are so many different references that you have to make Before you can even move forward with with an idea So what we're trying to do is is get around get over that and make a simplified plan. That's very easy to understand Which leads us to the objectives for this preferred plan As I said at the beginning housing is is the key component. So whatever we can do to encourage housing downtown Simplify the plan make it very obvious and simple. Here's our vision If you are in line with this vision, it's a very simple straightforward path to To getting your project in place Increasing flexibility when the 2007 plan was adopted It was a little more rigid than I then I'm trying to go with this plan technology changes the market changes The retail environment has obviously changing. So we want this plan to be something that is Able to adapt as as time moves on and and we we get different types of Of development that we just can't anticipate at this time And also creating an identity in a sense of place not just for our downtown but for the different neighborhoods that support it So our preferred plan concept as I mentioned a lot of outreach has gone into preparing this We've had 800 over 800 different points of contact in in developing this plan Our most recent workshop where we looked at the three alternatives that I mentioned had over 120 participants We've had a robust online interaction as well and And so we're hoping this plan really reflects the the community vision as far as how we move forward Um Some some of the consensus that we found with this plan is that people enjoyed the idea of a dense High density high intensity downtown core around courthouse square. There wasn't there wasn't really Much opposition to the idea of going big in our downtown core But people were also very supportive of the idea of village centers So we've got our downtown core and then we have different neighborhoods that have identity and there's easy connection between them all And they're they're all supporting each other The the creek was also identified as a major amenity for our downtown that right now We kind of turn our back to it. So embracing the the center as a creek and the and the prince memorial trail Was a key factor as well as the mall was a Major player. It's a huge part of piece of real estate in our downtown the current plan calls for a road to be Constructed through fourth street right through the the big hand sculpture and through the mall With this preferred plan alternative, we're actually looking at something a little less intensive So pedestrian and or bicycle connection through the mall. It could involve Retrofit a much more minor a minor retrofit as opposed to bulldozing a corridor through the mall That may include expanded hours of operation Perhaps some some evening businesses that are set up along this corridor And just creating that connection from the fourth street in courthouse square to fourth street in rarod square and Lastly the the idea of these these catalytic projects city hall being a great example of of a site that maintenance costs are becoming Higher than the value of the building itself and there was an opportunity for public partner private partnership to actually redevelop the site And start to see, you know, some of these projects that are going to prove the market for future projects As I mentioned the so this this cons this plan has a major urban core these outside neighborhoods that are supporting it and everyone has a sense of identity And we do have this this improved connectivity for bicycles pedestrians and for vehicles and so Rather than doing a wholesale change to the entire plan area We looked at areas where we anticipate change and the way that we We determined this was areas that had clustering or high concentration of vacant parcels parcels where the The land was underutilized as well as as I mentioned before city owned parcels that could be that could be utilized so The the map that's on the screen right now shows where these clusters occur You'll find with the the other maps where i'm showing what what changes this plan proposes They roughly coincide with these different different boundary areas Our our preservation districts, which are pretty well established residential districts We don't envision much change occurring in those areas, which is why you won't see much much change being proposed So the core as I mentioned taller buildings higher density job centers And then the supporting neighborhoods, which will be more village like And they would have some kind of central focus point a civic space That gives them identity and gives gives people a place to focus in on on what makes that neighborhood Gives it gives a unique character So there were 13 different land uses proposed in the original 2007 plan for the downtown area. We are simplifying it. We're essentially adding four Mixed use land uses Um And the idea as I mentioned earlier, we're looking to increase flexibility and and And really allow development to occur as it as it would organically rather than us prescribing how it's going to take place and so You'll see mixed use is attached to each of these different land uses that we're proposing And it's it's really the target audience that differs. So core mixed use that's around our downtown core around courthouse square And the arterials that lead into it and that's envisioned as you know our As a as a major downtown. That's where the job center is. That's where people are commuting to work That's where people are also living. That's where people are doing their cultural activities and shopping So that that's kind of the the catch-all. That's where everything's going to be that's going to be the highest intensity We also have a land use called station mixed use that's visitor oriented So that is the place where where people will also be doing cultural and shopping and restaurant activities But it is mixed use. So we'll also be supporting people that want to live in that area The smart site is a great example of Who we're expecting it to be a residential development? But it'll also take advantage of access to the transit and to the the railroad square shopping district the maker mixed use that is to take advantage of our Our industrial areas and areas where we have commercial activity that's already established and functioning So one of the main areas where you'll see that is up in the Maxwell court area Where we have light industrial uses that are that are successful. We've had meetings with With that neighborhood and the feedback we heard was that we don't want They they they'd rather us not tell them that their uses are no longer the desired use They should be supported, but we should also support if they want to they want to make changes We had some some Business owners say that they they'd like to add maybe a second story to their business where their employees could live Which is not something that's allowed in the light industrial district and the industrial use would not be allowed in a residential district So this maker mixed use allows That type of development where you can have breweries. You can have light industry uses Print shops things like that, but you can also have people living there and working there And lastly neighborhood mixed use I talked about our employers being the users visitors being users Industry being users neighborhood mixed uses for the residents that those are areas that are residential and character It is still mixed use so we do support We would allow commercial uses, but they would be neighborhood supporting commercial uses So those are the four different land use types that we'd envision with this plan Another big change is moving away from our Going with Traditional density of units per acre and traditional design standards or development standards like building height and setback So we're moving into what's called floor area ratio it's uh It's essentially it's a it's a ratio and it's based on lot size and building bulk and mass So very simply put if you have a 1,000 square foot parcel You can do 1,000 square feet of building if you're in an far of one So that could mean a one-story building that takes up the entire parcel And would be 1,000 square feet or you could do a two-story building that takes up half the parcel And is 500 square feet per floor So it is again sticking with this theme of flexibility It allows for flexibility in the form and design of how these buildings take place While really controlling for intensity as opposed to rigid guidelines on how every building should look It's it's very poignant for this board because as projects move in front of this board We're going to want to make sure that that even if they fall within the envelope allowed with far that the building is given Proper thoughtfulness for the building design itself and also the context with the surrounding neighborhood So with this far you'll see that our far changes Also overlap with the other change areas that I mentioned earlier in the presentation Our highest intensity would be in the downtown core and then we would feather down as we approach our established preservation districts and lower intensity residential neighborhoods With this we also would have design considerations. So Since we are not requiring as rigid design standards We want to make sure in areas where we have a transition edge That there's thoughtful design taken place. So as we develop the details we'll come up with how those are addressed But for certain areas like along Santa Rosa avenue where you're adjacent to the lutherburbank preservation district Also in our downtown where we have A lot of historic street face Street facing facades that we'd want to make sure that that any new development is thoughtful to those That's where these these design standards will come into play We're also looking to improve the the streetscape So rather than just focusing on the the type of striping or what your What your cross section is for a street also including things like light lighting art Wayfinding ways of actually improving the experience when you're on the street And lastly as I mentioned earlier turning attention to the creek So new development that occurs or redevelopment that occurs along the creek will be required to address it in some way So that we get the eyes on this creek and we start getting that that trail to be to be used as the amenity that it is That kind of goes into the connectivity idea So as I mentioned, we're envisioning a pass through in the mall. We're also envisioning new connections between sabastopol road And the roseland neighborhood with our with our Smart station so that would be some improvements to the existing street network, but also new pedestrian and bicycle facilities being installed Um, we have the idea of a downtown connector So it could be a trolley. It could be improvements to our existing city bus infrastructure and routes But to give a sense of identity to the downtown and to make it easy and straightforward for for traveling between different areas of the downtown Um, we also proposing road diets. So essentially a road diet is taking a travel lane eliminating that travel lane And then using the real estate to improve other aspects of the street So it could be installation of parklets. It could be installation of bike lanes Or expanding the sidewalk. So those are proposed for mendicino avenue san erosa avenue and east street So to wrap up the key moves that you'll see in this plan changing to far to regulate our um, our massing for buildings We are proposing to waive the parking requirement for new development within a quarter mile of transit This is not eliminating parking It's just saying that we as a city shouldn't be telling a development how much how much parking it needs to include We're letting the market decide that um, a developer knows knows better than we do What it's going to take to make a project marketable and to get it financed. So we'd like to to Put the keys in the in the developer's hands for for parking Also active ground floor requirements the existing plan calls for active ground floor uses We can see what the the changing real retail landscape. That's not always effective. So So uses that are on the ground floor that activate a space are welcome and encouraged But we'd also like to expand the flexibility for design types that that also activate a streetscape As I mentioned public private partnerships for catalyst sites Also enabling public spaces not not just having your traditional There's a park right here But having private spaces that can be that can be activated as publicly accessible places for Pop-up events or markets things like that Again, just being flexible and and and being creative in how we address this issue and then lastly wayfinding We can install all the infrastructure we want, but if people don't understand how to get from point a to point b It's it's useless. So really Taking a broad A robust approach to how we we do wayfinding in our downtown is another key component of this plan And I know we have a loaded agenda. So we welcome your comments tonight But plan downtown sr.com. That's the the landing page for this site. So Everyone that's watching and that's in the audience. We we'd love for you to get on this page. Look through the materials Reach out to us with comments This is a pivotal month right now in the month of november Since we do go in front of the city council on december 3rd So right now is the time that we really need to hear that feedback on how this plan looks And with that I will end my presentation. Thank you Thank you patrick Dirt with just questions and comments. We'll keep it simple and move one by one and questions and comments and eric I'm looking at you so you want to start us off Sure patrick, thank you for the presentation and the information Um, there's definitely some great Parts to the to it um, you know the last time when I think we had this presentation one of our concerns was That there was very little, um Loop out to our developers and uh So i'm curious to see under the tac uh committees My understanding is is that Some of those developers were brought in to out to provide feedback because that was not on the original plan So was that fully executed in regards to requesting that feedback from From the from those developers to find out why it's why our projects that we're even approving here Are not penciling out and not working so, um So just a bit of clarification. They're not members of the technical advisory committee But a big difference with this plan from the previous plan is that at the beginning we did brought outreach to the development community as stakeholders And then as we developed this plan we did bring bring them back in and had conversations Which did result in some changes. So, um one of the most notable is The far's that were proposed When we brought these out for developers that actually had projects, uh, you know concept it out We found some areas where they were just meeting that that far limit or they weren't able to and that's not our intention here So we did give a boost to the far's that are allowable They may be higher than anything that's going to pencil out right now But as as we start to get development and move on move on it's more future proof in that way. So, um So yes, that that is a big component of this plan that we've we have taken advantage of And the other questions I have using what The plan refers to is the smart village You know, we've seen that We've seen a lot of projects floated at least ideas for smart village now quite a few times and my question is is Why are those failing and what's going to prove What would lead to the success of actually having a smart village? They're here in the near future um One of the concerns that I have is especially with multi family units Is our new rent control Our new just cause of fiction both state and local levels as well as now we have an additional tax For the downtown development or the downtown. I'm sorry. I forgot that I didn't write it down the Downtown improvement areas. So now we're adding costs And we know that cost is one of the huge Deterrence for our developers. So and I don't where I'm disappointed is I don't see anything in the plan That's addressing those issues that's going to go before the planning commission and city council And the impacts on that Yeah, that's a valid valid observation and as I mentioned earlier this plan is one piece To the the greater puzzle Even you know, if we get this completely right, it's not going to be a panacea So we are taking Several different approaches one way that this plan does address something like that is The cost of parking has been a huge barrier to construction Even with the site the projects that have been proposed for the smart site The required parking has been Enough that it's been something that doesn't allow a project to pencil out So that's something that that this plan addresses But also, um, I'd point your attention to srcity.org slash up downtown We have several other initiatives including the the streamlining of the processing for permits as well as fee reductions For projects that go vertical as well as projects that include community benefits such as daycare or affordable housing So so while there are certain areas where costs are being added to it We are looking for opportunities to to relieve some of those costs on development But it is a complicated problem that No one no one solution is going to going to solve it No, and I appreciate that and I think you know the elimination of parking some of the parking requirements Will help improve that increasing vertical size Can can help improve the cost and the return But I think it's important that the stakeholders that are making those decisions such as city council Are provided with the information of some of the negative consequences of our recent Ordinances that we've passed that deter from the success of this and I don't see that in this report Where the material provided from the From the consultant, so I'm not sure I guess Why aren't those items addressed, you know, especially when they're looking at economic barriers Uh In in in the plan Why aren't those items mentioned at all? Well, and I'll just add, you know, that's part of the reason that we're having a study session like this So your comments are are we're taking note and this will be passed on to our decision makers as well Thank you Thanks, eric adam Sure, thank you Thanks, Patrick a great presentation And really great to see this update. I think I'd like to commend you all for doing a really good job You've fleshed it out a lot since we last saw it, which was great The previous presentation was a very good one that this you didn't really take it to another step Also, the report from dian batia is It was great also like to Commend them on a really good job. It's a fascinating read to actually read through that whole document Um question about that. Is that publicly available yet or will that be available in the future Which which document are you referring to the uh, the preferred plan concept one is on the website Okay, as is our existing conditions report great and uh a third item that was sent to the the board was our Barriers to development report that one. We're still uh refining but that will be posted when it's when it's complete Okay, and what's the website for that? I basically want to Promote that as much as possible. Where can people find that information? Yeah downtown sr.com plan downtown sr.com Yeah, uh, it was great to see how many people have responded Online and it was great that you got 120 people to the library presentation as well Um, but you know, that's out of the entire population of the city and the region We've got a pretty Full house here tonight recommend everyone go take a look at these Reiterate patrick's request for comments. Um, this is setting forth a really amazing vision And so it's really important that we get as many comments as possible So I just wanted to reiterate that for for the planners. We appreciate the plug. Sure um Yeah, uh now Getting to other things question about the with regulation and how it's One of the comments in in the document was that it's uh Criticisms was that it was not calibrated to facilitate plan implementation In terms of of how to solve that Or ameliorate that somehow in the future would that be coming from Will there be recommendations in the final document to do that or will uh the And also who are you who will who can change those things who can actually help reduce or streamline our regulations Yeah, so um part of the part of the effort is yeah through this plan Once we adopt this plan update, we will be updating our zoning code and our general plan To be consistent. So as we simplify this plan it will then in turn simplify those other documents But in addition The california environmental quality act has been a major hurdle To projects. So what we're trying to do is anticipate any impacts through this plan This plan will have an associated environmental impact report And then what what future developments can do is take advantage of that report. So we'll we'll have already Proactively identified any issues and and and determine how they can be mitigated so that a project moving forward Does not have to do that that step all over again. We've already done it. So those are those are ways that some regulation can be addressed And yeah, so as I mentioned during the presentation providing a simple and clear a path forward and Providing flexibility or two main ways that we can overcome those obstacles Yeah, I think that having that flexibility that you've incorporated into waving parking requirements and allowing for some of the Some of the market to dictate some things but then also, you know having some robust recommendations I think is is valuable I'm also a big fan of the floor area ratio that you guys are adopting to is really fascinating to to Kind of re-examine the the area for with that metric. I also think that That will be a very it's very good in terms of communication communicating these kind of sort of wonky planning ideas to To lay people that you know that this is a they specifically that diagram that you had laying out the different Ratios what think was really good one thing I didn't see in your presentation But wasn't the document was Local examples, I mean you had a couple of examples say that the barn's a noble and I'm not certain what the other one was but having something that that That the public can grab on to and see and say oh, I get that. Yeah, that barn's a noble It's one floor and then you got the other things but so the ratio doesn't quite work But I think that adopting that is a really Good way to kind of rethink of how you're doing the development here In terms of the villages I think that's a great idea also and I'm glad that you guys are running with that I remember that from the previous presentation And I think that having the the enabling of the public spaces is Really valuable as well and I think having that identity of each of these Kind of villages that you're talking about and one of the things I think that's successful about about the reunification of the square is that it's an open Pallet for things to happen. It's not all programmed. Um, and so I think having that be incorporated into each of the center Central areas of these villages will be really important. I am a little wary of of Having some reliance upon private spaces that are publicly available. Um, I think that's a good option, but uh, I wouldn't want that to be the uh, you know Relyed upon it's it's been proven both ways. It can be very good, but it's also kind of problematic The road diets and connectivity, um, definitely really glad to see that happening. Um, You know opening up center as a plaza. So I'm glad to see that that's incorporated as well I would want to see the connectivity and the road diets I know that this is specific to the to the downtown area But I would want to see also that they're really connected to, you know, the bike of pedestrian master plan How how is it going to mesh into these? proposed and existing scenarios that we have And uh Yeah, I noticed also that um on the east side of east street on one of the um The plans it's proposed to add in The east of e section um of fourth street up until I think about fourth and college there um Yeah, so that that um that imagery or that um symbology is is meant to represent the um Street enhancement that I had mentioned earlier. So using lighting and art and wayfinding So that that's an area that we identified that that could benefit from from enhanced Wayfinding and and um just the the street aesthetic and feel So has east of east street the fourth p fourth street section been added into the Dental Yes, so another change of of the plan area from our previous one. Yeah, uh in 2007 it ended at east street Yeah, um, but to be consistent with um our Our downtown core as identified in the general plan. Yeah, we expanded it out to the east out to brookwood So, um, so yeah that that plan area is for consistency And we've reached out to mtc to expand the the priority development area the pda to also include that Perfect. Yeah, because I wanted to see that as well because it seems like a lot of the imagery ends at At um east street there and for the wanting to go out there because also the you know having those connectors into um downtown is really important There's the whole initiative of getting the town fourth there Talk about needing a road diet as well to tie that in with the that eastern entrance to downtown Um, so I know that's getting outside of the purview, but You know, I think extending that just a little bit. I also was curious about the imwali section. Um, Is that uh, is it slated to be? um developed as there was sort of varying um Yes, so that was that was included in the original plan. It's in it's in this plan as well Um, and there is there is actually development taking place over there if you if you drive by there's there's one project That's already in place. Definitely. Yeah, okay, great um and Let's see here I think that that covers all of my Comments and questions. Um, and again, thank you for the presentation and again I encourage everyone to comment and get your thoughts known to everybody Thanks. Thank you Thank you, adam drew Thanks, patrick. Looks like you've been busy Um, I just had a couple of quick things uh so one thing that uh, I I went to a housing Conference, I guess that we call it And we met with the the powers that be in sacramento at hcd and one of the items that I think uh Belongs in this plan is some type of provision for live work development uh in This area of town. I think um, there are a lot of uh folks that run businesses Like you were talking about that want to have the ability to build something on top um, but also I think in Kind of the what you were talking about with the the ground floor active Spaces, um, there should be some type of provision for that That would be a live work with a business in the front. You could live on mezzanine or something or What not that would I think and further increase flexibility of those down, you know that pedestrian level engagement um because uh Trying to cram housing is a good thing right density is good. Um When we were talking about you were talking about the uh reduction in parking and I just got me thinking You know, we have a large number of garages that are downtown that the city owns that are not parked at 100 capacity So Would this would this be the opportunity would this plan be the opportunity to include provisions to Have developers engage with the city to rent lease or otherwise engage Those elements of those unparked spaces to support their projects if they don't have enough parking right if the market says they need X number of spots But to get the construction working they they can only put half as many and so they could potentially lease some from the city As part of that deal to reduce their you know, just it's just an idea Since we do have under parked garages right now I was uh The the overall seeker report for the downtown airplane. I was glad to hear that. I think um I've got some colleagues in uh long beach on long beach city of long beach did that Uh, and I think they had 50 000 units of housing or something. Obviously the long beach is much different than santa rosa But developers are fighting over the last like 5 000 units right now At that were part of that mass eir So I think that's really nice. Um So is with the 7 000 units that you mentioned would that be part of that overall eir for the downtown? Correct. Yeah, so it would it would be capped at the 7 000 units And then so developers would apply to take away from that bucket We yeah, we do the analysis up to 7 000 units. Um, if Glorious day we get we get up to that point then as as the next developers that go beyond that would have to do their own Uh review unless at that time we decide to to do further environmental review to expand to do another bigger one for the whole area Okay, cool And the uh two two more comments, um So I think um I'm I'm not opposed to revising design guidelines and uh, to be honest I've used far in a number of other jurisdictions before I moved to california and I was actually surprised. We did not have it here Um, so uh, I'm I'm okay with using far to start calculating Form and function of development the one thing that I would say about that is that we still need to utilize our expert boards like the design review board to Make sure that we're getting high quality, you know, what do we call it superior design? in the city because I think um Some of the other, you know, like san francisco. They've got some, you know, david baker architects, you know Is driving development in san francisco on a housing level through superior design, right? That's why people want to work with them. They want to Utilize the design to its market rate housing. It's sexy and so the more we can Elevate our level of design. However, we figure that out. I think we need to continually utilize this board to do that and then um The other thing I would think uh, so a lot of uh downtowns that are about our size across the country have engaged with uh Institutes of higher learning to bring a campus satellite campus, and I don't know how we would put that in there or give that flexibility, but um I can think of at least 10 cities off the top of my head right now Somewhere in the southeast somewhere in the midwest where they've brought a component of a state university into their downtown So injected both students student space performing art spaces, etc that Activated that spaces that then drove additional development um For that area So it's just what you know It's kind of one of the many ingredients to bake the bake the pie of downtown development It's just something I was thinking about that could be a potentially, you know Like partnership with sonoma state for instance, you know bringing a portion of their their campus here potentially But other than that great work I think it's going the right direction And uh, thank you so much Thank you Thanks drew Henry Yeah, I'll echo that atrick. Thank you for the for the hard work and bringing us a good presentation and bringing the Revised plan up to this level um I'm going to save a little bit of my comments for maybe some one-on-one comments that I can send you offline um But i'm really glad that you this plan unlike the one in 2007 there's you're gonna you're going to implement some streamlining of of some of the barriers that the developers have Have voiced and and i've experienced in my practice because Taking a project from an 18 month or a two-year approval process to six months To make the difference between whether the project goes or doesn't go we go into a recession lots of things can happen In a lengthy review process. So i'm glad to see that take place My only other comment is i was curious as to why um And in your preferred plan concept your land use The the land uses and the far's don't necessarily Uh overlap Or or vice versa like in the far and the Roberts Zone there's a couple of properties on the left hand side. They're included in the far, but they're not included in the roberts area And another example is on b street and seventh. There's a whole finger of of Parcels that are in the core mixed use area, but aren't included in the far. I was just curious as to why Yeah, the the idea behind that is that they're they're two distinct ways of regulating so the land use Talks about what can be built there and the far gets down to the intensity of how that looks And then areas where we we are not proposing a change means that whatever land use or development standards are in place We're not changing. So for for example, the the roberts avenue area A long gotten those are um general commercial, which is a very permissive Land use that we have in our in our current general plan. So we didn't see the need to change that That allowance as far as what would be allowed to be operated there built and operated However, we did see the opportunity to change how the How the intensity would be regulated. So that's why we did apply an far to that area So that so that's where you'll you'll see that um that disconnect in different parts throughout the city Is whether we thought there was a change necessary for the land use allowed or a change necessary for the development standards Okay, can you speak to that and on The street and seventh that finger at you know where it approaches hilsburg Yeah, so um, so again that area we wanted to include it in this core downtown core mixed use land use category to really be that that most open type of allowable land uses so we want to be the most flexible and what what could actually be Developed there, but we did talk to developers that are working on projects proposed for that area And the current zoning of cd5 was appropriate. It met their needs It also talked to the the nearby saint rose historic district. So we didn't change the The building form that was allowed. Okay Good good detailed analysis. I thought it might have been a graphic error, but uh, you're on it. Thanks Thank you, henry I'll keep my comments brief here in public and and make some specific comments online But I did want to talk a little bit about Something that you didn't cover in your presentation just in more detail, which is the active ground floor overlay So it says that the intent is to provide developers with a menu of options from which two or more items must be selected So again kind of getting back to the a overlay and b Menu of options kind of constrains Some development in in a certain way What I really wanted to point out is to be careful that you don't end up with selection That always get chosen because they're the least costly option for the developer to pursue And there's two ways to go about it. Obviously you could make everything all the menu of options kind of cost the same so that Not one gets chosen more often than the other and you don't end up with the same thing all the way down the area And then the other way would be to if it's a costlier option Maybe you incentivize them to pursue that option by offsetting it from some other like you did on the far So just providing some more flexibility there And then the other question was the quarter mile radius for the parking waiver Um how was that derived quarter mile magic radius or Was it considered to go? You know back to the market driving what you can and can't get away with in parking reduction Where was that line drawn and and how was it? And a quarter mile is the the generally accepted term for easily walkable So that's where we where we said that there's easily walkable other options to to driving So we can give a break on on car ownership gotcha I would just Suggest it get revisited to expand to something other than easily walkable And again let the market drive that you know, I mean we've seen we've seen stuff on our agenda tonight We're the parking amounts vary by developer based on their program model. So Just food for thought great presentation Echo that is going in the right direction and So with our comments concluding I do want to open up this item to public comment So this is item 6.5 On our agenda. So if you have comments on item 6.5, please step up to the microphone You'll have three minutes and give us your name and your comments All right. See no one walk to the microphone. We will close public comment for item 6.5 Okay, we're going to get back on to the agenda. I want to thank the applicants for Allowing us the flexibility and moving that item forward so that we can get some city staff on their way and not Sit with overtime hours on the clock So I will invite Item 6.1 to come to the podium Thank you, uh, chair concaten members of the uh board. My name is Emmanuel Ursu. I'm the planner for this project Um, this Application is a request for both a multifamily 30 unit apartment project and a self storage mini storage facility The uh This is a preliminary design review And the entitlements required are a conditional use permit which is a minor c up. That was approved by the zoning administrator Uh design review which is before the uh board this evening and then a lot line adjustment will also be required the uh Apartment component of the of the project is on a one-acre site Contains 30 units. Uh, and it'll be in a three-story building the Self storage facility is also a three-story building with a basement. Uh, and it's about 126 000 square feet in size The project is, uh, located in the, uh Retail and business services land use designation, uh on the south side of highway 20 Highway 12 It is in the general commercial zoning district as shown on this diagram Storage pro phase one, uh, which was before the board a few years ago You can see in this aerial photograph is just to the right, uh, or to the east of the proposed project The applicant came before the design review board a little over a year ago for a concept design review Then we took the project to the waterways advisory committee for its review and input And then in january of this year a formal application was submitted Taking into account the input provided by the design review board and the waterways advisory committee the Zoning administrator considered The minor use permit for the project at a meeting in september and prior to that We circulated For 30 days an initial study and mitigated negative declaration that was prepared in compliance with the california environmental quality act So this is the the site plan. Uh, cinema highway is to the left of this on this exhibit the plan includes curb and gutter along cinema highway plus landscape strip sidewalk And then the apartments There are really three separate structures with one roof The parking for the apartments is both to the west which is on the bottom of this screen of this diagram and behind the apartments There's both open and covered parking a total of 60 parking spaces are provided on site nine on the street Part of the application that was considered by the zoning administrator was an adjustment to the parking Technically the project is short three spaces 63 onsite spaces were required The storage facility is the larger facility towards the the right side of the Of the property of this exhibit Cinema creek is at the or excuse me center as a creek is at the far back of the property As well as the trail that goes along the the creek In the bottom right hand corner of this exhibit, you'll notice that a segment of the trail traverses over the Over the property onto the project site stormwater quality pond detention pond is located at the back of the property access to the storage facility is from storage pro one And there is an exit gate at the bottom of the this exhibit that would allow Vehicles exiting the storage site to go straight out to sonoma highway without backtracking and going through storage pro one facility This is the front elevation for the apartment project The concept review that was presented back in october of last year is the the bottom exhibit and then the revisions that were made in response to comment provided by The design review board are incorporated in the preliminary review that's shown at the top of this exhibit This is the rear elevation again the Bottom is what was previously proposed the top shows the design as modified This is the storage facility the north elevation again the bottom Is what was originally presented? And then the top is what is being proposed with as revised This is the south elevation This is the elevation that would face onto sonoma creek And it would be visible from the from the trail from trail users by trail users And then the east elevation one of the primary changes or eight primary changes the Dimension of the facility on this elevation is reduced that was done in order to accommodate a reconstruction of a Public sewer line that runs behind the the building. There's a sewer. He's been back there And then this is the the west elevation The design review criteria Laid out in the staff reports Summarized shown on these two slides or in this one slide. I guess there are four standards here one of the items in the staff reports that we noted is that the setback between the Property line of the residential facility And the storage facility needs to be five feet. That's actually incorrect The there is no setback required so So we can ignore that That requirement Indicated in the staff report that there's a condition of approval to that effect I removed the condition of approval, but forgot to make the change in the staff report itself With that I'll conclude my presentation. I know the applicant's Team is here and they're available to answer questions, and I believe they may presentation of their own Thank you Great. Thank you for the presentation and with that I'll turn it over to the applicant for their presentation Well, good evening Chair concave members of the design review board I'm mitch connor principal with archeologics here in san aroza With me tonight is uh Ralph Strauss from std architects the architect of record for the Residential buildings. We also have steve marabito of storage pro peter helman of court development the residential developer christine talbot of quadriga and denis dolby of civil design consultants So I think in general we're here to answer questions. Um, I think a manual highlighted Probably the biggest change and I'll address the storage building Which was that the building got smaller We go to the floor plans You've seen all this there you so um Yeah, so effectively what happened is we worked through the process with engineering development engineering and utilities to try and Navigate the future improvements to that sanitary sewer line that For those of you that don't know impacted the storage pro phase one project that we did Several years ago. That's why the back two buildings are separated because we had to To address it that way but with this building we have enough site that We worked out the easements and so there was a belt tightening exercise of the storage building And so the floor plans you see here tonight, uh, you know reflect that so Um, fortunately our development program stayed intact For storage pro and uh, we were able to bring forward, you know, what you see here As far as the architecture. I mean, I think what came out of the concept review was Some general refinements to well primarily the cornice piece. I remember warren talked a little bit about it Warren hedge path So there's some details in this package of how we're going to construct the the metal cornice And also a detail for the canopies I think the other thing that we did is Make the windows a little bit larger in the stairwells and the corridor up on the Up on the Third floor right there on the north elevation The reason this elevation looks different in the you know, the concept review and what you see tonight is that we're showing The landscape treatment and the carports that'll be up against that building. So it's not There's sort of a layering from the the residential piece There's the details i'm referring to I do have a color board Are still the same from the concept we're using a uh rough textures There's something's dying on me split face block on the base of the building which you can see on the board and then the upper CMU is a smooth grinding smooth a split face block lighter color darker color the storage pro red at all doors clothing doors and then sort of a Sort of a pewter color for the window system and the canopies These are a couple views from the creek As emmanuel pointed out Given the relationship with the residential Project, you know, we had to be you know a friendly neighbor, but we also learned from the storage for one project of our kind of role and Also being a good neighbor to the creek. So as you're walking from Sort of east to west on the creek and then you get another view of it here You can see what what our project looks like So the lighting that's in this package, you know is directed lighting at all the openings Uh, and in particular, you know paying attention to the to the lobby Entrance where we have three frayed elevators That take you either down to the basement or to the upper three floors So i'm gonna let ralph talk about the uh the residential part A Good evening ralph strouse stg architects and the uh the primary comments that we address since we saw you at concept review Primarily we're for simplification of of the form of the apartment. It's a three-story garden apartment the primary One of the primary detail components are the three-story stacks of the of the decks that Define a rhythm along the exterior and the comments that we took away from our previous meeting were To remove some of the gable lands and some of the business that that were on the exterior elevations and get down More to the simple massing forms of of this farmhouse style. So We carried that through and and Implemented those revisions as we had discussed previously. I have a color material board for the apartments as well lighter colors gray accents charcoal Uh doors to complement the the elevation style And i'm here for any questions you might have Thank you. Mitch. Thank you ralph We'll take questions from the board and then we'll open up for public comment So eric questions for either staff or the applicant you can address either No no questions Adam questions for staff or the applicant no questions drew The only question I had was You mentioned the zoning administrator reviewed this project And so was the sequel either exemption or action Regarding sequel taken at that time or was it done at the planning commission? Just want to make sure I get that straight. So This project did not go to the planning commission. It was a minor conditional use permit That was subject to zoning administrator review In consideration So prior to acting on the c up the zoning administrator adopted the Initial study mitigated negative declaration. Okay, so sequel has been completed on the sequel has been the reason I ask is there's We have correspondence. Yes from the public and there were some questions about that and so with the the The completion of the sequel process. We really don't have any authority to make Any determination or comment or what have you Related to that. So that's why I wanted to point that out So, thank you very much. That's my question Thanks drew henry No questions And I have no questions. So at this time, I would like to open up item number 6.1 storage pro and The apartments for public comment. So if you'd like to comment on this item You have three minutes and please approach the podium And see no one approach the podium. I will close public comment and bring it back to the board The way our board operates is that we like to start off with a motion and a second and then start dialogue and see if we can hammer out A resolution so with that I move to grant both preliminary and final design review to storage pro to design review major 43 74 sonoma highway file number dr 19 dash 007 wave reading of the text Thank you drew we've got a motion for preliminary and final approval on the table I'll second that All right. So we have a motion of second discussion Eric we'll start with you I'm done. I like the project the first time it came and I like the enhancement with the windows on the on the storage facility And a couple other improvements. So Like it even more. So thank you very much appreciate the project Thank you, eric adam Sure This project predates me on the the board, but um, I appreciate it seeing the comparison of the two that proposed and the final And I definitely think it's an improvement Cleaner less busy. It's nice and simplified. So well done I do have one question for quadriga. Um, if I may it's but primarily only about the Uh, the valiox the correct slobata on the western um side Just a wondering about the rationale for the pretty dense planting of them there because spacing is only, you know, about 20 feet or so Yeah, so, uh, we are mitigating for the loss of the two oaks on highway 12 so we Tried to get as many on the site as we could They like to grow together anyway, so it'll probably be A wonderful planting and provides some separation between the two uses That was our rationale. Yeah, because that's right for next to the hardware store. Yes, exactly Yeah, I definitely saw that was a I'm a tall order for all of the mitigation that you had to do Yeah, and there's enough room there. I mean if it were a narrow planting strip We would feel less confident with the planting, but it's fairly wide. Okay. Yeah, my only But I was just wondering because I know that you're trying to do that mitigation if kind of spurting it out a little But or maybe even just taking one of those out and moving it around But yeah, I wanted to hear the rationale here. Okay. Um, thank you for the clarification and that's it for me Thanks, Adam drew I have no comments. Thank you for preparing a package that includes everything hence Why I upped it to final Even though staff was only recommending preliminary. See I went through the List and you guys had everything that's required for final. So why not Approved final. So thank you very much. Appreciate your time and effort In this project. Thanks Henry Ditto might be too short, right? now good good project mitch and Appreciate the the simplification of the apartment units. I would I didn't review the concept, but If I was at concept, I would have Encouraged the design to get to where you're at. So appreciate it very much and Have fun getting it built And I concur with my fellow board members. It's a great project It's a perfect example of commercial and and residential working together to Meet everyone's needs and So with that patty, I'll ask for a real call Okay Gulch lock Hi Sharon Hi Weigel Hi Wicks Hi Kincaid Hi Motion passes preliminary and final congratulations. I look forward to seeing it built He's here patty Okay, we're on to chairman kinkade. Is there a way that we can move the agenda items? So that way majority of the people that are here can hear the item that they're interested in next Rather than having them sit through More of the process. I'm sure they appreciate seeing our process, but We can move the agenda a little yeah, I The only thing I'm cognizant of is just taking a break so that we can get our meal over with as well so that we can Be expeditious and I think this item may feel quick enough that We can get on to it and make a determination whether we want to eat or see the next item so that we can Keep moving fair enough All right with that we're on to item 6.2 This is modifications to approved design review round barn village zero round barn boulevard file number dr 19-067 and I'd like to Welcome our planner meads and our applicant and we have a staff presentation and an applicant presentation So with that I'll turn it over to staff Thank you chair can kate and members of the design review board. I believe this will be a quick one It is a pleasure to be before you this evening. I'm sharing mead city planner So this project as you mentioned is modifications to the approved final design review for 237 townhouse units for round barn village The proposed modifications include increasing the number of building styles and material and color schemes enhanced roof lines additional private open space areas numerous window and detail changes It is important to note that the number and grouping of units remains the same. There are no changes to The recreation or open space areas either The project site is located east of highway 101 in the fountain grove area of santa rosa The site is surrounded by commercial and residential uses many of which are in the process of rebuilding from the 2017 tubs wildfire The site is designated for medium low density residential and open space under the general plan and the site zoning implements these land uses As you can see this project has been through Um quite a few processes and a number of project milestones have been met beginning with a general plan amendment and rezoning for residential development Concept design review meeting and neighborhood meeting were both held in the spring of 2018 Following positive comments from the waterways advisory committee the planning commission approved the tentative map hillside development permit and minor use permit for the project The design review board granted preliminary design review in november 2018 and final design review in january of this year The applicants submitted master plan building permits for the townhouses requesting Modifications from the originally approved design since once they started doing actual working drawings the creative juices started to flow And they wanted to make it a better project The required modification of final design review application was submitted september 10th of this year The project is now being constructed in two phases starting with phase one, which is indicated in yellow Um It consists of 80 units and phase two consists of 157 units and the pool community area Site development of phase one has started But will be limited to a maximum of building 50 building permits to comply with fire department requirements The development of phase two will provide the secondary access required to complete the project And site development work for phase two is slated to begin in april of next year The project includes five percent affordable housing for moderate income households phase one will include four affordable units Which provides the five percent required for that number of units being built phase two will include the remaining eight So here i have a slide that shows um it represents changes proposed for the front elevation It's uh the upper rendering shows what was previously approved by this board And the lower rendering shows the new design There i'm going to show you the rear elevations and side elevations for one of the building types The applicant can provide a more thorough detailed presentation for each Building type if the board so desires. This is just to give you an idea of the type of improvements they've made And here is the rear elevation Again, the top is what has been approved by this board the bottom is the proposed changes Left and right elevation comparisons And staff has reviewed the project and finds that the proposed changes implement and are consistent with the design guidelines The project includes varying roof forms. It increases the variety of materials and continues foresighted architecture Additional porches and second level decks are proposed as are many additional elements that provide articulation and interest Following completion of review staff was able to make the necessary findings which are included in the draft resolution before you As the project consists of minor architectural changes It falls within scope of the previously adopted mitigation negative declaration and no additional environmental review was required With that planning and economic development department recommends that the design review board adopt a resolution approving modifications to final design review for round barn village and included in that resolution is the designation that future minor changes would be reviewed by staff level If that's appropriate for the board if you have any questions i'm here to answer them If you want more detail mike white from city ventures is here. I've got some color boards if you'd like i'll bring those up Thank you planter meads Mr. White do you have a presentation for us? I do excuse me mike white with city ventures. I'm going to let her pull it up on the computer Thank you for meeting with us tonight You know oftentimes i've been doing this for a long time oftentimes we get Plans approved through design reviews city council reviews and then we make changes changes Sometimes are based on creative design elements. Sometimes there's some construction issues that happen during working drawing design I think tonight I can go through some of the basics. It's a kind of a mixture of some design issues and So i'm going to pull on the mic a little closer. Thanks. Sorry There is that good Okay, so i've grouped these into kind of four basic types of changes updated fire requirements the building heights Enhanced architectural elements additional private open space and updated color schemes So the first issue When we got our original design review, there was a limitation For the project based on the fact that we didn't want to have aerial access to a maximum height of 30 feet And so there was some some confusion about where we actually measure that 30 feet and so The way the code reads it's the top of the plate or the parapet And so we measured at the top of the plate, but there is a in the back of the garage There was a parapet and so it exceeded the 30 feet Well, that was a challenge because we already designed this project For non aerial access. So we went back met with fire made some revisions to the actual roof design To comply with the fire code. So right now to the top of the plate on the third story We're at 29 and like 11 9 16 So so we're we're right there And so the major that was the original reason to come back was to address that issue Um, let me just take the next slide here You can kind of see Some of the how the architectural elements change primarily in the rear or the garage area Or the major changes were to occur so that we could get the the sloped roof to get the ladder to that 30 feet Again, it's been approved by fire and so this was the next element to come back and to to show you guys what we're doing In terms of architectural enhancements, it's Very common for us to when we go from the conceptual design development When this original design review was done a year ago this time It was the design development stage and so as we go through that stage and kickoff working drawings More people get involved and we make decisions on you know, what are the spec what changes we want to make and One of the things in the original design was Let's say there was a five unit building maybe two to three of those units would have a a deck and so That that's great, but we decided that you know, maybe all these houses should have decks So one of the things we did was to Change the design to increase the integrated deck so that every unit would have a deck And then an overhang or a patio And and so that is that had other impacts that'll go through as we go through the changes But that was one of the major changes to to create that It's a special project and it's a special area and we really wanted to do it right And so as we go through that creative design process, we we thought that would be a good design change Off we have some areas too on some of the sides of the buildings where we could actually create a wraparound deck The the the original on the left shows just kind of like the that was our standard And then on the right we in certain locations were able to wrap the deck and the patio around so we can it It's a kind of a stronger look on those edge conditions and excuse me, uh, so Oh use of stone well Yeah, and it's hard to see but if you look at the original design review way in the back Underneath that patio on the on the far right you can see the stone against the building and it's stone there But it's not it's really kind of covered and so we decided that rather than hide it in the back It's bringing out to the front where people can see it has a really strong element And we've done that throughout the project I think it really kind of makes it a cleaner look and and if you're going to do stone You might as well have somebody see it and so that's that was the primary reason for that change um massing details when you start adding patios and and and decks to the project the massing Elements of the houses are going to change and so you can see by adding those those patios and decks That the of course there is going to be some changes to the massing. I think those are good changes You know the the original design review on the left had a very big mass on the on that far right left side and With the changes we've made we've kind of broken it up a little bit. It kind of feels a little bit more broken on We also carried those massing details to the rear If this doesn't actually show the change in the parapet, but I do remember Watching the design review from a year ago and there were some comments on that that That element on the left there and I think the changes we've made have kind of softened That look and then we've added some trellises over some of the garages not every garage But a few of them just to kind of accent the the garage doors We removed the ladder The access to the roof they will now get access to the individual units I know we made mention of that in the original design review that we're going to remove it But we've actually done that and though this actually also shows by adding the decks and the porches It how it changes The massing of the side of that unit Again, this just just kind of using one of our bigger buildings. You can see the the changes to the massing On the wall and patio fence details and patio walls What we were proposing before was just stucco low wall stucco across We've now changed that to have a varied type materials We've got horizontal and vertical fencing and stucco kind of integrated with each of the units Again, it's a better feel. It's it's kind of unique as opposed to just the same low wall throughout the whole project in terms of styles When we did the original proposal there seemed to be one style per plan And so now what we've gone is we've come back and we've added three styles per plan In addition to each each style will have four different color schemes So we added a lot more variety in the project that we had before and and so it it'll create more unique Buildings, uh, it'll make the project look Less is like all the same and more unique and so that was the major change there And then I think sherry has the color boards if she hasn't passed them out But we just we go through a process when we start changing architecture We bring our color consultants in they start rethinking it and you know trying to create a more sophisticated imagery inspiration imagery with wine country was kind of the change to to some of the colors that we wanted to make And we this is just the imagery we used for the project Again, uh kind of going through all these Changes we feel that all these are kind of upgrades of the project. We didn't take away from anything It's just the refinement process we go through With any project, but this project in particular because it's so unique And special that we really wanted to do go the extra mile to provide real quality a community with that I if you have any other questions, I'm I'm happy to answer them and I want to thank staff for working with us on this project Thank you for the presentation give Eric a break for a while We'll start with Brett Brett questions for either staff or the applicant just questions at this time No questions Drew No questions Henry No questions Eric Oh, sure it comes down to me. No, I'm just kidding. No questions. Thank you Adam no questions for me And I have no questions either Great presentation. So at this time, I would like to open up item 6.2 for public comment any Members of the public wishing to speak on item 6.2 can make their way to the podium give their name and You'll have three minutes And seeing no one approach the podium. We will close public comment Bring it back to the board Again, I'd like to start off with a motion and a second and we can have discussion Since I made the motion on this project originally I guess I'll do it again Yeah way back when I made the original motion to approve this I move to approve Modifications to the approved design review of the round barn village at zero round barn boulevard File number dr 19-067 wave reading of the text Thank you, drew You have a second I'll second Okay, I've got a motion and a second on to discussion Brett again going to start with you for Any comments you have or any friendly amendments you'd like to have the board consider Um, I think I've got three comments. I guess the The frontage treatment. Um, so the transition from stucco to Kind of varying the details at the at least the The human level uh street level I think is is definitely better. Um, the one thing that I Um in looking at the front elevations the one thing that and I understand the I guess this goes back to the the review with fire, but how the And the originally approved front elevation the The height of I guess one of the one of the gables and one of the roof elements Was much higher and kind of gave it a little bit more prominence And I'm assuming this is basically the You have the board and baton Volume and then behind it. It looks like there is a white stucco volume in the approved originally approved and so the That came down based on the Review with fire. Is that correct? You look at this one right here. Correct um You know what no this the um the original design to the proposed design was not a function of fire that happened The fire thing kind of happened this summer And uh, this was done. Um Prior to that at between the time You folks approved it last time to about probably april may Okay, so I can't really address that other than just changes in the way the decks kind of resulted in that Yeah, I guess just the for me. It's just the the difference in the the approved The approved elevation versus the proposed in that You have these taller these two kind of two or three taller sections that stick above That rise up above the I guess mansard roof um Just sets the the design off a little bit more than where it's at currently So I don't know if there's a way to achieve that that look or feel Again with this But yeah, there's just something about the massing and the approved approved one That's at least from like the the rendered rendered elevations And then I guess another comment was for me, I guess again at the looking at kind of the styles I don't think they're quite different enough Um The colors I think mash up really well between all three or four Is it three or four schemes? um But I don't think they're quite different enough and I don't know there's some great imagery that you showed In your presentation here toward the end about either, you know stone coming up or A difference in the stone maybe that might be able to set that Um set some of that apart I know it's a it's a costly endeavor. So um Something that you know, you may consider As you you know as you move ahead, I guess You're pretty far ahead already. So um the rear elevation great I like the changes on that. I think it's just for me the front and The difference in styles aren't quite Different enough for me Otherwise, um You know great I like the addition of some of the outdoor patio and private space. I think that's incredible It's going to be great eyes on the street as well um And especially up at that location. So thank you Thank you Brett Drew um So I think I'm going to be a little more critical unfortunately. Um so What I liked about the original proposal was that you were taking a very modern approach to kind of this very in vogue farmhouse modern farmhouse style architecture And it was being done in a very clean way In a very simplistic way in a very modern way and The introduction of some of the more Bright colors I thought originally made that that project a standout project. It was very unique and different And I think what you've done Is you've actually made your project worse In that regard I do I love the stone the idea of the stone I think it's fantastic because what you've done is you've taken kind of the Stucco plinth you had and you've replaced it with stone Which I think is tactile and fun and engaging and interesting so That I think was a good usage of of a materiality change And I think Brett was kind of getting at kind of The the rhythmic form that was in the original approved has disappeared in the new proposed option Because you there were such strong gable elements On the front and then also then there was some diversity I've had a little bit of trouble trouble loading some things But if my mind remembers correctly what was really kind of cool about the original project It was they were all kind of the same formal Kind of massings, but then there were different treatments Within the windows some of them had I think you had one option that There was some banding some vertical banding where the windows were and then there was also an option that had Just the orton baton and so there was enough variety within the materiality and the colors that If they all kind of look the same massing wise, I think originally we were okay with that As far as the rears Like the rear of the building that you're showing I actually think that's an improvement I think you were right to adjust kind of the The box elements. I think that was I think actually that was my comment. I remember correctly So I think you've improved that so I really that's that's nice I think what you've done with kind of the The suspender belt on the third floor windows I'm kind of I'm not a huge fan of it just personally. I don't think it's bad I think the original one was stronger with a modern kind of take on it What you've done now is a little bit more traditional. I think that's fine But I think that's that's the difference, right? It's a more contemporary modern approach and then you step back to a more traditional Take on kind of that farmhouse style architecture and actually when you showed your inspirational images That keyed it off for me because I have a project right now that's very much that traditional california napa sonoma farmhouse style architecture And then I guess the only other thing Would be The side elevations. I think again are also a nice improvement as well I think originally there was A lot going on there. I think with the ladder and kind of the other elements there So I think you've actually With the stone wrapping the side and it's really engaging the corners of the buildings a little bit better So the sides are an improvement I think but again, it's the difference between the modern interpretation of the farmhouse architecture and the more traditional And so I I did appreciate your original one The reason I move to approve your project is it's your project. They're both very valid architectural styles I think you've taken a step backwards In broad strokes, but you've taken a step forward in some other areas the porches the pedestrian engagement I think are some really interesting elements that when these eventually rent or sell or however you're going to handle them People are going to love that They're they're just going to they're just going to fall in love with how these interact with the spaces around it Remember, we had a lot of discussion about the different elements You know the the pool house and the clubhouse and all the different elements that are available on the property And I think you've just interwoven that into these buildings and how to connect to those. So I think that's a vast improvement too So those are my comments. Thank you very much. It looks like you work. You guys worked really hard to make these changes But those are only my my comments there and then there's a weird hip There's a weird hip roof showing up Oh on the uh, it's it's on the fire. It's on the it's uh, are you talking about the colored elevations? Yeah Yeah, and The problem with that it doesn't reflect these are just the color that doesn't reflect the change we made for the fire So, I you know, it's one of those things it's like a hitman sort of thing probably I would imagine because of the Do a hip roof in the back to get that you had to have so much area Right. Yeah, the ladder up. Yeah, so it's kind of it's it's a little funky, but I understand why it happened. Yeah But those are my comments. Thank you very much Thank you drew Henry Um I like both projects You know if I hadn't seen the approved compared to the proposed I'd be in favor of the proposed Be I'd be a little bit more in favor of the approved on the front elevation. I I'm going to echo what My fellow board members have already said quickly But I just think they're a little bit stronger And in the back elevation I I'd I'd like to see you go back to the vertical Board and bat from from garage line up to this to the third floor Might might save you some money, but I think I think it's a stronger look on the approved versus the proposed but And then the colors I guess is my only other comment and when I flipped through the four boards They all felt the same to me. There there just wasn't enough variation for me And I think I think maybe you could work with staff on On coming up with adding a little stronger color element to it Other than that, it's a great project. I think it's uh That on the colors I I think that unfortunately with color boards They tend to look a lot because they don't actually see the stone with them, but um with each color scheme with each building there's going to be Three to four different schemes of color So when you take all the styles and all the color schemes together The variations are about 60 for the project So you only repeat maybe three four times which is that's really what you want as opposed to just having like three colors That you put to the whole project. So I understand what you're saying and and we can work with staff on that but But the idea was to create more schemes. So we have more variety Yeah, there was just a dark color in the mix before and a and a wheat wheat color in the in the old scheme and and that kind of Star contrast is is missing in this palette as it appears to me And like Eric said it's your it's your project is a really good project and and look forward to seeing it bill Thank you. Henry Eric No comments. Thank you Adam I also won't repeat anything that the other board members have brought up. I think it's a good project. Thank you And I got to the same spot that a couple people already got to where I had some tug and pulls about whether it was better or Maybe took a step back and I got to the point where it was a great project either way and there's kind of two different architectural styles or finishes if you will the same architectural style different different levels of finish So with that, um, let's check in with the board here. Does anybody have any, uh, strong friendly amendment items that they'd like to propose or is this uh, You know consider consider consider Uh, I've got a question for staff bill. Um It sounds like a couple of us make comments about color What sort of direction would you need from us? To not have the applicant come back to us again. What type of latitude would you need? Well since obviously we can't The board can't pick a specific color for direction right now. I think it's a consider And I think it's a comment that we've heard before consider a richer color palette or perhaps a more varied color palette I heard the word contrast I think anything along those lines and staff would be comfortable in ensuring that that's implemented I will note that i'm colorblind. So i'm going to leave that to the other staff Um, would that be okay with you if we included some language about More varied color more contrast more to come back to staff. Yeah, just give We don't use words like consider. It's a can it's a true consider with we've used like shall If it says that and we can work with staff I mean I feel confident that we can find solution to what you're what you're looking for It's a it's common ground right and and so It's either the beholder and we we're open to suggestions. So, um, yeah, we'll accept that Okay, so I guess the only Amendment would be for me to change it. I can mean I can change it's my motion, right? Or would it know it need to be a friendly amendment, right? Yeah, I think we just Make friendly it's only going to make a friendly amendment other than the motioner in the second to consider More variation in color or however you'd like to phrase it Henry I would like to make a friendly amendment that we add that the applicant consider working with staff on Creating a more varied color palette with some stronger contrast Okay, so that's a good consider. I appreciate that staff. Did you get that? Okay. Thank you So does the motioner accept the friendly amendment? I accept the motion That's a friendly amendment. Sorry in the second accept the friendly amendment Yes, I do And the applicants comfortable with the friendly amendment excellent Okay, patty. We have a roll call please. Okay. It's gold schlug Hi Corden Brock Hi Sharon Hi Weigel Hi Wicks Hi Kincaid Hi Thank you again for uh, thank you appreciate Yeah for the the long and lengthy process that you've been through to get the project off the ground again Thanks for your investment and we gotta build it. Yeah. Thanks for your investment in Santa Rosa much appreciated Thank you Okay, we are approaching 6 30. So i'm gonna look at my fellow board members and say, you know, how hungry is everybody? Or do we want to take the next item? any 6.3, yeah All right, unless staff has an objection it sounds like the board's willing to keep going so With that i'll invite item 6.3 burbank avenue subdivision Yeah, why don't we while we switch it out? Why don't we if someone has to use the restroom or something go ahead and take five three minutes three minutes Okay, we'll go ahead and reconvene Before us we have item 6.3 burbank avenue subdivision concept design review 1400 burbank avenue file number d r 19-053 and planner ross you have staff presentation for us Hey chair kinkaid and members of the board i'm adam ross city planner. Um, this is burbank avenue subdivision This is a concept design review meeting Um And during the concept design review we give a presentation I'll go through mine pretty quickly because the applicant team brought theirs And I don't want to double up on on time and and staff But i'll go through, you know, what I what I should go through And then at the end as you know, but for the public you provide comments recommendations on the project ask questions And direct staff to move that forward in the formal application of the project and how it retains How it pertains to the design of the site So the project description is the applicant is proposing to construct burbank avenue subdivision It's a total of 14.25 acres Into 138 units 69 lots for three housing types So you have 62 two-story single family units 12 two-story duplexes all in their own lots And 64 And a 64 unit multifamily three-story apartment building They're proposing it in five phases And the project is when within the rosin area and sabassable road specific land boundary the The zoning for the site is r16 and r16 s r that is the scenic road that's on burbank avenue It requires certain setbacks from the From building to street frontage or property frontage. Um, I'm sorry The property line to the building. I believe it's 25 feet Which this project does comply with the zoning is medium low residential, which is 8 to 13 units per acre the density here is 9.5 under resilient city development measures or i'm sorry under density bonus law You would round it up the city's density bonus ordinance. I should say you round up to the Up from a fractional number to a whole number. So the density is therefore seen as 10 units per acre Which is right in the middle of that allowable density so here's a site plan or i'm sorry a Context plan So this area is all the site around Entrance will be taken off of This area here the apartments will be located down here You have another entrance up here Along the property line with the duplexes Here and all of the single family units within the site So here's a site plan, but i'm going to go through quickly so I could pass it off to the applicant to To go more into detail for you But again, here is that one entrance there are these are public roads. This is private roads surrounding the apartments It is four buildings Here's some of the single family detached renderings The duplexes will be accessible via an auto court Again the single family elevations So here's an aero view There's quite a few slides because there are three different housing types This is the 62 64 unit multifamily apartment complex Some of the public correspondence during the uh pre-application meeting Is uh Some concerns from the neighbors access Size of the three-story buildings the mass and how it's located adjacent to some existing single family residential units Barriers separating the parking facilities and the new public roads with the surrounding site Potential connection to criss-sara lane in the future Potential light pollution and fencing around the site what that will look like Traffic noise and seeker review so again, um, this the the designer view board to The intent is to provide comments and recommendations for the berbank avenue subdivision, which is within the roseland area Spassible road specific plan, which is also a priority development area. So how that works is the Comes to you you've seen projects like this before in priority development areas It comes to you for concept you provide comments and recommendations That is then taken into account by the applicant. They respond Change the project Or don't but respond accordingly as to why then that is reviewed by staff and then when An application is complete goes to the zoning administrator for a special meeting And then the zoning administrator will act on the project for design review So it's like a reduced review authority it goes from normally it would be you for the at least the preliminary to the zoning administrator And that's it for me and I can answer any questions you have before I pass it off to the applicant I think we'll go ahead and have the applicant presentation And then we can address either staff or the applicant with questions So with that I'll turn it over to the applicant and ask that you give your name in relation to the project And if you can make sure the microphone is pulled close So there I think the microphones might be turned down a bit or something because it's late My name is john warden. I'm the architect for the project and I'm here with mark powers the landscape architect As adam said this the site is um A peculiar shape it has two access points one at the northern end and one at the southern end with the bulk of the site being internalized There are two Um Single family dwellings complexes located In the middle of this in the middle of the perceived site as seen from berbake avenue So we're single family um and a school site to the east rural residential To the south and to the west agricultural to the north with a with a single family dwelling And then beyond that site to the north is a future park site for the city itself This is a the site diagram It you can see here clearly the northern entry drive and the southern entry drive that were Predicated by how the site was organized We chose to put the single family dwellings adjacent to the other single family dwell Existing single family dwellings across the property line like to like The apartments are on the southern portion of off the southern entry drive and the The condominium or the duplexes excuse me are off the northern entry drive This is the landscape plan. I'll let mark address it Yeah, good evening Yeah, the overall idea here with the landscape plan for the the project site at least we'll talk about that first before we get into the other areas Was to look at the street tree program and the idea was in general to create a common theme along each individual street And then the diversity would happen as we start landscaping the front of buildings or the front of the yards with a combination of other native and ornamental landscape plants as well as another canopy of trees that would be Would that would provide that diversity So first I'd like to talk about the single family dwellings there in this area here The red block is a typical block that shows in this bird's eye perspective so The the basic premise here is to to do simple straightforward single family dwellings The the lower floor plan is is Has a one bedroom on grade living room dining room and kitchen And The upper floor plan is where the variety takes place So what we we tried to do is have distinctly different upper levels that create different roof forms Clearly different roof forms in order to have more variety within the single family Project then typically would be the case. So there would be The one bedroom above the two bedroom above the three bedroom above and it would generate Significantly different roof plans in the process You can see it here The upper drawing is the end of one of the blocks and the lower drawing is the flanking flanking portion The every house has a A distinct front porch and a back porch for that matter and at the corners We have the ability to rotate the garages so that we can Create a longer a longer front porch along a corner elevation The landscape treatment that we talked about for the single families is you can see the common Common idea of the street tree that's uniform throughout and then the the colored Circles that you see really there are then what we call kind of the accent trees So flowering trees evergreen trees to provide that diversity and then the landscape areas in the front will be just a combination of low water use And low maintenance plant material And the whole idea there is to kind of create some rhythms so that Although the plant material will be diverse will will have some some commonality that kind of ties these things together The next section I talk about is the apartments off the southern entry drive The apartments are arranged in four buildings. They're all three stories high They frame two auto courts One one between each pair and then a central courtyard in the center The idea is that along the public drives. No garages are visible Both along burbank and the southern entry drive and in the internal street In the in the in the rear of this particular picture And then the the auto courts themselves feature The tandem parking so they have tuck under parking underneath the buildings and then tandem driveways This is for the two bedroom and three bedroom units So the tandem garage and a tandem driveway space and the tuck under garage would belong to a single house Then along the southern property line, which is on the upper section of this drawing Would would be open cars Here you can see diagrammatically how how the tandem cars within the auto courts would work um and The central courtyard, which is the primary feature Would also have the common areas of the Offices the community room and the laundry facilities located around it This is a plan of the typical building. You can see how the carports would wrap around two sides of the building The units come to grade at the at the other side There is one Of one type of each unit at grade So there's a three bedroom and a two bedroom And a one bedroom at grade the roof plans um Are arranged in such a way that they're Gable fronted on two two-thirds of the building and a hip on the other the other third As a way of increasing the variety of massing So the Landscape concept here for the apartment buildings were a couple fold One was to create some some tree canopies around the outside that work with the three-scale structure or the three-story structure of the of the buildings The next thing was then to create a series of outdoor spaces That have varying size And varying uses based on ages So that there's outdoor areas for activity for the people that are living in the apartments the The one central area that john mentioned, you know having the laundry room and such in that central court idea kind of pushed us to create An overall space in there that kids could be playing while the parents are doing activities related to laundry and everything else and The the main goal in there was to create that space that had Kind of a passive play for kids But at the same time then having some seating areas so that there's Small groups that could take place as well as some larger gatherings And also then kind of sets itself up for a multi-use space for the people that live in the facility The other idea was then to create some kiosks Where we could kind of have a community effort maybe kind of an info board We can also gather the mail that would happen in a cluster So there's a kind of located out along the frontage of the public road for And then we also created two outdoor kind of what we call picnic areas That have some flexibility with space and seating and picnic tables and maybe some outdoor barbecues And then some fencing to kind of buffer some some screening that kind of buffers them from the road As you go into each entry into the center court, there's also then a small Kind of wall and an arbor that kind of gives you a sense of entry as you enter into the court The following are a series of views of the of the apartments. This is looking from the entry drive on the right to And one of the internal streets on the left At the end of the of the building This is Going down the entry drive and looking into one of the auto courts this is turning around and looking north northeast from the The parking lane at the back of the private parking lane at the back of the project And here on the lower left hand corner You can kind of see a little perspective of that common area down the central Theme there of the central courtyard Having seating that's built into little walls that help contain spaces And then still having some kind of seating with backs on it as well as a nice canopy over the top to provide shade And then as john mentioned too the how the internal parking is down the private roads You know when I think one of the key aspects of that is the fingers that we're developed in there to create a tree canopy So that when you look down those roads you aren't just looking at the three-story structure But we've actually got a a tree that that starts to soften that whole area as well And here's a kind of perspective shot of kind of the outdoor picnic areas This is a bird's eye looking northeast of the apartment complex with the four buildings and the parking lane in the foreground Burbank Avenue is to the left And then the last portion of the project are the duplexes which are located off the northern entry drive This is a bird's eye. There's essentially two clusters of duplexes. There's 12 units total six in each cluster They're centered around an auto court You can see here in the plan how the two clusters are the same But the the pairs of buildings the duplex pairs alternate in type roof plan So the challenge for the The duplexes were that you basically have six driveways and you have one approach And so the idea was to not just let it kind of create itself as just a car oriented Element, although that's what we're doing is getting cars in there But the idea was to kind of transform it over and to Come up with some different paving patterns that tend to break it up so that it looks more like a plaza or a court Instead of looking like six driveways going into the garages And then what we did is we created a series of Tree canopies over there in pockets around the garages so that there's some shade and some coverage in there to soften the buildings And then the other aspect of this is because we have people entering front doors The idea was to all give them a separate entry walk so that There's in some situations we have low walls that separated and Whichever way you're coming from the courtyard you're able to to get to to your front door on a separate walkway And there was some questions that came up From some of the neighbors about fencing and so we wanted to provide a A little detail on what we were thinking It would be pretty standard backyard side yard fencing This detail that we're proposing here is a six foot wooden fence and it's what we call a good neighbor fence It it basically is framed and then it it it's built so that it looks the same from both sides So that nobody feels like they're getting the backside of the fence The following are a series of views of the of the duplexes This is a street view coming in along the entry drive and you can see into one of the auto courts With different types of porches on the on the entrances There's a slightly elevated and birds eye of the same same element You can also see it you can also see in that that sketch there in the in the frontage There's there's some low walls And part of the idea there is that that helps with the screening of the paving As as cars move up and down the street and soften the view into that courtyard This is from the opposite side From the end and that's the end of the presentation And I just wanted to add the Within your purview it it relates to the attached duplexes and the multifamily units the single family units are not within Design review boards kind of scope But it was good to include all of that so that you can reference the project as a whole Thank you for that clarification. I'm sure that was one of the questions Okay, so let's take questions for the Applicant and or staff and then we'll open up for public comment Adam are Are there any exceptions in regards to the projects such as parking spaces or are those per the further requirements so far the The single family Home the single family units comply with parking You know, I haven't gotten that into detail about the parking requirements, but I do believe they Don't propose any parking reductions as what is required by code that was the only question Thank you. Thanks, Eric Adam Questions for applicant or staff? Yeah, just a question for staff about the single family areas as well No, when you say it's out of our purview does that necessarily mean in just in terms of the design or how it fits into the larger master planning aspect of the project site Yeah, so the only the multifamily is subject to the design review board's review So those single family homes were provided for context so you could see the design theme But when this goes forward for design review, actually it'll go to the zoning administrator But it's just focused specifically on the multifamily units single family homes and santa rosa are exempt from design review Okay, so not and not the whole site of the whole project site just the multifamily So it works the architecture exactly of the single family great. Thank you. That's all Brett questions Has so has this come before planning commission anyone else yet? What's kind of like where is it at in that process? I understand we're seeing it at a concept, but As so they do have the formal application submitted but before moving forward with completing the staff review and referral This is required by code Specifically for the resilient city development measures So no it hasn't gone to any boards yet the next board Subject to appeal of course would be zoning administrator and that would be it Oh, I'm sorry correction the Subdivision the tentative map will go to the planning commission Next and then the design review and the small out subdivision use permit will go to the zoning administrator It's a little bit confusing, but um, I hope I was clear that time. That's not. It's yeah, it's still confusing to me as well. So um, so effectively when planning commission approves the tentative map That approves or locks in the division of land Public right of way basically the site plan like sometimes we've come You know the projects have come to us planning commission has already seen it. So now again is the time to kind of make Those changes if if you know if we see You know changes are are fit I guess Yeah, so you're correct the planning commission will do the subdivision of land There is a small lot use permit. So that drills down more deep more focused more closely on the Site layout for each of the individual lots for setback purposes and things like that The reason that we come to the designer view board of this stage is because your comments will be carried forward throughout the process So as this goes to the planning commission the planning commission will be informed by what you give us tonight As well as the zoning administrator Okay, um So I guess given that I guess my most of my comments. Yeah, will I guess focus on Both the the higher density side of things for the For this proposal for the project I'm What's it? Oh just questions. Drew said just question. No questions All right, drew questions. Yeah, um so This is a comment, but it's kind of a this is the it will It's not a comment on the project. It's a comment on the process And um, I think it's important to this is actually something that I've been thinking about for a long time longer than I've been on designer reboard living in various parts of the country and the issues with Exempting single family development from design review and what I love about this project Is that john has put together a complete contextual Map of how this entire project goes together And the single family homes are critical to how the duplexes and the multifamily are organized and arranged and so If somebody builds a one-off single home family home, I think yeah, we shouldn't have purview over that but for Small lot subdivisions and other things like that where they're proposing prototype homes I think that needs to be part of our process and John makes the case perfectly here why it's critical because What he's developed in the architecture of the homes The single family homes is driving everything else and that's why it's critical So I know it's it's kind of a weird little disconnect with single family development being exempted Which makes total sense if somebody buys a home and they build a home it's exempt But for something like this, I think it actually really needs to be brought into the process And I know that's something that we struggled with was zoning and other things I just wanted to State it here because this is the perfect example of why this works why it would work perfectly if it was required But other than that no other comments Thanks for questions Henry curiosity question for The architect you've got on the on the three-story apartments You've got four windows almost like a little tic-tac-toe game just curious what that material is in the center of the tic-tac-toe It was an alternating between horizontal siding and vertical siding and it varies from building to building depending on what the predominant Siding is so if it's horizontal, then it's vertical if it's It's just it's just a mass. It's like a three by three square of solid material. Yes So it'd just be a painted masonite or Painted hearty probably okay That's it And I've lost track Eric. Did you already go? beautiful Okay, uh, so Yeah, no my only Just true point of clarification. I think this will help us with uh when we get into comments is so come Well, can we go back to the site plan real quick? Please? Yeah, that's fine right there so Comments from a site perspective and how these properties are laid out are we bound in our comments to this site and this site Or can we comment on ingress and egress and how the relationship of these Access points to the neighboring properties From a strict application of the code the designer view And the design guidelines and the findings associated with that are they are To be attached to the multifamily component That said if you have comments that you feel strongly about you can give those we'll take them put them into the record But the specific focus is on the multifamily units Thank you So are you saying that any comments we make have to have a nexus to the multi The multi-units. I think that's fair to say, you know, I don't want to limit the board's comments I just want to be very clear on what the actual purview is and how they will impact future actions Essentially your comments are going to go into they should be focused on the design the design guidelines the findings for the multifamily units that we can then Staff can consider the applicant can consider and also the zoning administrator. That should be the specific focus Thank you bill And with that I would like to open up for a public comment on item 6.3 If you're interested in commenting on item 6.3 Give us your name and we will give you three minutes Yes, hello, my name is mark henry perish. I'm a property owner to the south of the project And I have some concerns The planned location of the three-story apartments directly behind my three parcels Will result in a loss of my privacy As the second and third floors will easily see down into my single story single family home Two-story single family homes would be more appropriate abouting the existing single family homes than a three-story apartment Which would face that should face burbank and not existing homes A major increase of noise due to the road serving these apartments and the parking spaces plan to be right behind my property lines Once again, I think it'd be more appropriate for single family homes or perhaps even that duplex project right behind my property A serious concern over my family safety fearing that someone will inadvertently Press the accelerator of their car instead of the brakes and end up flying right through, you know a flimsy fence Resulting in the death of a family member or a friend I would expect if this plan is going to proceed Those parking spaces I count approximately 24 parking spaces that will be pointing right at the back end of my Properties I have three parcels that are right behind this Um You know should have some kind of a safety barrier some kind of a you know robust You know Cement sound wall like you have on the freeways, you know to keep people from driving through and you know harming somebody So and also I have concerns about the future plan For a road that will be connecting this new development with the burbank housing development south of our location This appears to cross my parcel number one two five dash four two one zero one five As as well as the easement road that serves my parcels and the other five homes in the area there Um, I had my own plans to add a small rental homes to my parcels and don't want the city to take my future retirement plan away from me I estimate that parcel in conjunction with my other parcel Could cite at least four homes if not more and generate well over $10,000 a month in net income to me once the project is completed Um And then finally, you know, we have been waiting on water service for many years and thought with the recent annexation Of this area into the city limits that it would happen sooner than later But still we have no water I would hope that as a part of this plan Existing homeowners might be rewarded for the loss of their privacy With the establishment of these two and three-story structures That have not existed prior that water hookups would be provided it for free as a mitigation of these negative effects On my peace and privacy And one last thing is I understand the desperate need for housing in santa rosa But I feel that this project can be designed better with the existing neighbors in mind It would be much more acceptable to me and my neighbors for single family dwellings to be installed Next to our properties, which are single family dwellings Place the apartments in the center of this new project Facing burbank as we've already been severely impacted by the luther burbank Housing project that's to the south of us Thank you very much Thank you, mr. Parrish appreciate the comments Sir, my name is dan eikenbury. I live just north of the south entry drive We've lived on burbank since 75. It's Gone through a lot of changes One of them is traffic and another thing that I Don't like about this is the three-story apartment buildings that What a humongous undertaking that is to To build those I Would just wish that It would be considered that they be two-story at the max and Let us live in peace. Thank you Thank you, mr. Eikenbury Sir, okay. Now my name is Caesar Valencia, you know, I You know, that's my neighbor already, you know talk, you know We're really concerned about the, you know, those Apartments, you know three-story, you know, we already got affected by the Previous construction, you know, we have two-story apartments right next to us, you know for privacy, you know having a Pre-story, you know, we're right next to each other, you know, it's gonna be, you know, we're gonna You know, we're gonna lose privacy from both sides of, you know, kind of south and north side on our properties and you know Also, you know, we're kind of concerned about the, you know, the road that kind of shows On the map, you know, for future, you know, it's kind of, you know, if they decide to extend it on the future or something You know, we're gonna be affected on the properties, you know, we're, you know, me and him, you know, pretty much own Like 90 of the private road that we have right now. It's an easement, you know And it's gonna affect also, you know, the rest of the neighbors, you know Living in that section. So, you know, it's one of our main concerns because, you know Bringing that many units to the area, you know, it's gonna bring over 300 cars, you know How are they gonna divert all the traffic? You know, it's a small road. It's just a You know, one-way direction. It's it's Side so, you know, we have, you know, we're surrounded by schools, you know We have roles Rosalind Creek the rip ramps, you know, all those schools around, you know It's, you know mostly You know traffic and you know Then that's pretty much Thank you Thank you. Mr. Valencia Appreciate the comments Any other members of the public wishing to speak on item 6.3 Burbank Avenue subdivision? Seeing no one approach the microphone, I will close public comment Bringing it back to the board for comments concept design review Um This would then go to the zoning administrator to take action. So Let's make some comments Eric. Actually, I have no comments at this moment Adam sure. Thank you. Thank you for the presentation in the plans Okay Limiting the comments to these our purview One of the um one thing I would have to bet the Henry brought up the checkerboard detail on the end of the the multi family buildings At least for the the visual with that For for me it kind of comes out of nowhere. Um, some wanted the Some of the other references or design references Seem to be part of a whole but it seems a pretty Kind of a bold move. Um, that just sort of pops out to me Whereas the the layouts especially with the Auto courts on the um the duplex area thinking that you you've put some nice thought into creating A sense of place with like a courtyard in there It I like that you're thinking of trying to de-emphasize the the cars somewhat, but I think Kind of run with that and I'd say put in some some more thought with that But it does also it has that circular courtyard It seems to be a reference with the the placement of the houses and the checkerboard But could you give me some of your rationale behind that? Um behind the checkerboard itself, you mean? Yeah Well, it's a it's a three-story mass. Um, the I was originally uh banding the windows vertically. Um, it just felt like It needed something a little a little bit a little bit bolder But you know, it's I'm not wedded to it by any means sure Yeah, it just it seemed like a strong move Which is pretty kind of a resting to the eye So that can be a good thing or it can be be distracting and I'll be interested to hear if The architects on the board have some thoughts on that as well in terms of color schemes at this point, it's interesting at the uh with the The duplex area feel that it's uh, it's very primary based and it's kind of bright and then the Um multifamily is it is a lot more toned down and drab. I assume that was on purpose To create a different Feel and sense of place there, but I almost feel it goes to extremes too. I'd want to have some a little more cohesion in there as well I think Probably could be addressed somewhat with the connection of the single family houses, you know tying the two ends of the site together so and The outdoor common spaces especially on the The multifamily Section I feel that There's a lot of structure and And the the site is really built up and for as many people are going to be on there I like that you have that center area when you bring when it comes back for more with more design and it's not concept I know that we're at that point of the process, especially the play area and the seminal courtyard I want to see some more details. I want to see some more fleshed out ideas of what's actually going to go in there Some programming but then also some Spaces that kids and families can Program themselves as well and it seems like you're on that way with trying to put in some benches and some thinking about Areas of people can barbecue and gather outside of their homes I'd want to see that Fleshed out more and and just wondering if there's ways to maximize any Any other gathering areas any other spaces you can have especially with the the Single family area the single family detached There's it's all structure. There's not really any Neighborhood gathering space if you're creating a sense of space. It's all specific homes specific apartment buildings But having some place where neighbors can gather together would be valuable To really think about that understand you're really trying to maximize the site for getting as many people and as you can Which is great, but really creating some just a little bit of breathing room a little bit of activity area um the I appreciate what you're trying to do with creating these nice L.A.'s of trees with the street trees I the The species chosen are kind of standard street tree palette. Um, I think outside of the box a little bit, you know I would you know, we think in thinking of the city as a whole we've got plenty of crepe myrtles Got, you know, they like other other other trees to think about think of diversifying a little bit in terms of the palette Um, but uh, you know, I understand that we're at that concept stage as well Um That We'll do it for me right now. Thank you Thanks, Adam Brett comments Yes, thank you I guess my I guess my biggest Comment is about the about the land use um and about the I think some of the, you know concerns of of residents are appropriate um And given the context And I know that, you know, rosalind has been Annexed into the into the city and and things like that. I do have, you know, some concern over the loss of um, you know, some of these scenic, you know scenic corridors and kind of the You know things that folks in the neighborhood already kind of mentioned So I do have I guess Yeah, some concerns about the the massing, you know, how large the apartments are and things like that. Um, I get You know if if You know, and I don't know why these, you know, this site plan has kind of been maybe there's some background You know on how it's or why it's developed in the way it's developed With, you know, the duplex is on top and And or on the north side rather and then the apartments on the south side Um, and why it, you know, I think I know the answer but why isn't most of it just, you know Given the context single family or just kind of you stick with the the duplex because of You know because of your adjacencies I think, you know, equally the the concerns over, you know, kind of the buffer areas to the north You know in landscape treatments and things like that to the to the north and to the south. Um, I I would Encourage the the applicant to look at ways Of screening that on day one Um And I get that for the on the south side the three story apartment buildings are approximately, you know 40 or 50 feet away from the adjacent parcel And it's separated basically by, you know parking and in an access Access drive through there But that there might be the opportunity to increase the number and size of Trees on day one That do screen Those areas and similar to the north You know, you do have some plant plant sizes there and In terms of the containers and you know 15 gallons and things but there might be opportunity as well To pull in larger specimen You know type native native oaks and other specimen trees throughout the project to really kind of bring back or Pay homage to the scenic Kind of nature of that corridor itself And not just, you know scrape everything and and and do this but So I think there's some opportunities there If if this plan is developed as it is in terms of the the density and the the massing of things There are some things I think that should should consider with the buffer to the north and south I'm not opposed to some of the suggestions about Maybe reconfiguring where the densest parts of this project lie Are we am I am I stepping out of the purview? I don't know if I'm I know we're not supposed to comment on the single family Things but I guess I'm kind of Commenting on the master development if you want to think of it that way, but maybe that's outside of Yeah, I don't I don't want to put words in your mouth I think what you're seem to be focusing on is the massing And so I think the points are well taken, but yeah, the focus does need to be on the multi-family architecture Understood So yeah, so biggest concerns buffer to the north and south Speaking on the Let's see On the duplexes I like how the the How you've kind of used basically a wall on the front to kind of provide some separation But also kind of necked in the front units Of the duplexes To create a larger Kind of plaza as you kind of talked about it for the duplexes Let's see Yeah, and I think for the three-story apartments My biggest concern is the massing as well as some of the the detailing and and kind of Change in facade If that can either be That building can be you know brought down You know the two-story idea is great. I don't know how it works for a pro forma and the developer or the applicant But I think that that makes a little bit more sense contextually um I do like the way that you've kind of cut up or made a A couple of different outdoor areas or outdoor spaces for the apartment zone for the apartment area In these homes, um the centralized play is I think smart in terms of eyes on that and keeping that area safe And I also like the kind of the outdoor amenities that you've provided Maybe there's an opportunity to mix those up instead of two barbecue areas. Maybe one's different than the other or You know, there's a little bit more variety of amenities That can be mixed mixed with that Yeah, I think that's that's most of my comments at this point So thank you Thank you, Brett Drew Thanks for actually a pretty in-depth concept design package actually Um, so I appreciate that um I'm gonna echo the color comment. Um, you've got some vibrant colors that kind of represent Rosalind to a certain extent there's a lot of vibrant colors in rosalind And it falls flat on the the apartment buildings, right? They're not there um I'm not I'm not married to that cross tic-tac-toe thing either, but I don't dislike it. I I understand what you're doing You're playing with it and you're like, hey, what if we did? Oh, yeah. Well, that could kind of work And and you know, I've done that before too and sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't I'm okay with it And I think I'm gonna echo again. I think that Providing the single family unit context for the rest of this is I think critically important because it really At least for me. I I understand where you're going with the architecture of the duplexes and the apartments with the additional context And so thank you for including that and having it as part of it. Um, the one thing that I think um, you know reflecting on some of the public comments about privacy and sound and noise and other things and I think, you know, I'm sensitive to that. I think everybody's sensitive to that, but You know development is development and it can be done poorly or smartly and I think For it to be done smartly the developer and the design team has to take the public comments or neighborhood meeting comments or whatever into Uh There and then to take it back to the to the drawing board and maybe reevaluate some things. Um I understand why you guys cited what you cited where you cited Based on your kind of when you do a site analysis. I've done it many times much like you So, uh I don't know if there's a better way to cite what you cited already Um, I think you could maybe move a couple of the lego pieces around but I think it might you might be hard-pressed to You know without acquiring the uh, you know tell the owner to acquire those two properties in the middle Maybe you'll solve the adjacency issue, right? And put the uh Put the multifamily in the middle there and then flank it all Single family development. I mean that's the only like true way to solve the adjacency problem, but You know an absence of that if those two owners Aren't willing to sell then how do you know how do you you know? There's more than one he's gonna cap, but you you've kind of done it the best way you could Um, so I'm sensitive to the comments, but I don't know if there's another solution And then uh The only other comment that I would have in hearing from the public comments Is it you know the the idea of a concrete sound barrier or something like that or a crash wall? That's Incredibly costly and so to put an onus like that on a on a applicant Yeah, I think is it's not something I would be keen to do There are some other ways to mitigate sound without doing something heavy like that Um, and then the other thing to do to address cars would be you know curb stops and other things like that I mean that's really what you would I mean that we've we've You know done Hundreds of housing developments that a butt adjacent properties with fences and walls and other things And I don't ever hear we're really here of problems On the back end uh because the good neighbor fence is done correctly Or you know, maybe they chose to do a cme wall or something like that for whatever reason Um, so but yeah, I wouldn't put the onus on the the developer to to do something Prohibitably expensive in that regard I think you guys could find a solution that worked To address the neighbor's concerns that was cost-effective. I would just encourage you to look into that just hearing those comments Put other than that great project I'm sad that i'm not going to see it again Because it's a good project. I like seeing good projects again Uh, so thank you very much and uh, good luck guys Thank you drew Henry I have two comments One of them is is regarding the massing Of the three-story apartments and its adjacency to another use I think the way it's been arranged is is actually a pretty good solution I think I think it It's it's by my calculation It's about 50 feet away from the property line to the face of your your four apartment buildings and that's pretty darn good and I think I think um Sometimes be careful what you wish for because you could build two-story buildings that were 10 feet away from that property line Which would also impact views so, um I have I have mixed feelings because I hear some of the other board members and I and I It tugs on me watching things change massing Go vertical Those those those kinds of comments For me can can vary on A daily basis, but I think what you've done is is a really good solution. My other comment is Can you pull up the l1 Dot c drawing It's the multifamily Landscape plan it's not the one I have in my packet it it looks Looks like this That one I know how I know how projects evolve and and the exterior elevations may be something that was dated but I wanted to I just wanted to mention something to consider and that's going back to the Horizontal siding on the lower level with the banding I like that solution better and I hit I think it brings down the massing of the buildings So it's just a if we were voting on this and and where I was making a friendly amendment it'd be a consider That's it a great good project to very well thought out. I love I love the Residential housing element. I'm glad that was put in for context Contextuality and and I would like to see some of those colors in that housing Also be a consideration and bring over to the apartments. Thanks Thanks, Henry I'll keep my comments pretty simple because they've been covered quite a bit And I would echo pretty much everything I've heard from my fellow board members, but I take a step back and I look at who the design team is and and the design team is first class And takes care of projects. Well, so I know this project's going to turn out in the end To be a stellar addition to the city I also know the developers have been developing properties and taking care of neighbors concerns for 40 years And so I know that they will work towards a A resolution whether it's 100 acceptable to the neighbors or not, but I know they're not here to Turn a blind eye to neighbor concerns And the you know subject to growth and change is is a sensitive subject and I think that the design team has done a Very good job and and with the constraints of the property You don't get to always pick the corners of your property, but you do the best you can with What you've been given so I wish the property and project great success And I hope that when it's done the neighbors embrace it and feel like it's a strong addition to their community So with that, I'll I'll ask if there's any other comments On the project Could I ask a question? Sure One of the things that's come up with the neighbors that is the concern about the The through road going down Through the property to the south that there's also in theory one going to the north Can you Enlighten them or us about About the need for that and It's probably more of a staff question yeah, so As adam indicated aside from the Essentially the driveway areas with the multifamily apartments the other roads are Public and so the city's engineering development services department will review those And those roadway alignments are going to Integrate with kind of a larger roadway circulation network for the area So that's what we'll be driving the location of those roads and then how they the stubs connect to future plan roadways in the vicinity and That circulation is driven by the general plan as well So it's outside of the developer's control is what you're getting at us more of a master planning city issue Okay Thank you for the question and thank you for the clarification. Well, and I would I would actually ask another question there Um, so bill I think what's also important to understand is when the city's engineering department looks at road alignment And other things it's not just they're not just looking in front of their face. They're looking long term You know in 30 years when those properties are sold or whatever Except or can you enlighten the public and about sure? Yeah, so as I mentioned it comes from the general plan the general plan has a circulation element It's a long-term plan. It looks not just it as you've indicated the specific site It looks essentially at the quadrant. So it's considering traffic volumes It's considering traffic volumes in the immediate vicinity, but as well kind of in the adjacent Areas it considers all of those things and so Staff would be happy if any members of the public have concerns to walk through those Outside of this meeting obviously and point them in the direction of what is driving this the general plan Also the actual roadway profiles the widths of the roads and things like that Any other comments or questions One more question. Do you You may it may be the same answer, but do you have any other information in regards to the proposed park? Or is that just again long-term general plan? Yeah, we can certainly get that information. I don't have that off the top of my head, but again parks In the broader sense long term they come from the general plan and then the specific details in terms of any capital planning projects that are on the books We can interface with the parks and wreck record parks department as well Okay, thank you very much for your time As we move on to item number 6.4. We will Take another three-minute break for I think everybody's willing to power through for the dinner break anybody blood sugar reaching Low enough levels where we need to take a dinner break Could take an abbreviated break if you want as well Power through it Yeah, we'll take three minutes Okay, we will uh reconvene We are on to item number 6.4 concept design review west college apartments 1385 west college avenue filed dr 19-074 And again, we have planter ross with us to give us a staff presentation Thank you chair concave members of the board The item before you is a 117 unit multifamily apartment complex Located within the north station area specific plan It's on 3.92 acre lot um the Similar thing applies here where it comes to you for comments and recommendations And then it goes to the zoning administrator for approval. They're um They're coming in at dense the The site is zoned r3 30 which allows 30 units per acre. They're at 3.92 acres They're at a total of 117 allowed by right and that is what they're proposing You have Building heights of 32 to 37 feet with asymmetrical roof lines. Again, it's a three-story building 57 one bedroom one bathroom units 12 one bedroom one and a half bathroom units 48 two bedroom two bath the parking includes 72 attached garages 117 surface parking spaces and electric charging stations for a total of 197 parking spaces So that comes in at 1.68 spaces per unit The required spaces in the north station area specific plan are 1.5 spaces per unit The amenities include a recreational recreation building outdoor pool and barbecue area With outdoor seating a bicycle a bicycle repair station and a dog spa So like a walk up put your dog in it wash it take your dog away um it's uh It's an a medium high density residential So the the general plan matches the zoning of 30 units per acre and it's right on the boundary of the North stationary specific plan where it ends right here where all of this is north stationary specific plan. I'm sorry Let me do this So There's a line here Everything on this side is north stationary specific plan This is not so they're right on the outskirts right here. So then there's a I believe a 75 foot wide PG&E public utility easement of Of overhead utility lines That's a better image So Again, here is the Line for the north stationary specific plan. This is north stationary. This is not um part of that north station specific plan area requirements for For development new development is that you activate the street frontage so This is verbatim from the code that all main building entries shall orient towards the street Surface parking lots are not permitted in front of buildings They locate on-site parking to the rear or side of the property Or internal to the block and provide access to parking through alleys and driveways where possible Some of at the beginning we kind of had a back and forth in discussions at the pre application meeting with the applicant in which they had Not done this and then after reviewing that and and kind of discussing with staff They've changed the site plan to accommodate that portion of the zoning code as you can see here's College avenue they Have the residential units up front And then you have the recreational center behind and you have some frontage here of cowl cowl lane Here the elevations provided by the applicant. They're the same just different color schemes As you can see up top. It's brown and or a brown a cedar Hardy board, sorry, and then green as well Here's a landscape plan Give you overall feel of the site Close-up of the recreation center There you go Some of the public correspondence was building height Privacy issues and shadow as it relates to the residential community to the west And fencing on the north side of the property and how that relates to the existing single family home there The neighborhood fit that includes size density and the architecture was brought up And then some of the other items were parking traffic pedestrian and cyclist impacts So again, um designer view board A recommendation for the designer view board to provide comments and recommendations for the west college avenue apartments within the north Santa Rosa station area specific plan. It's a priority development area And the applicant is here to also provide additional information and answer questions you may have Thank you adam And now we'll turn it over to the applicant for their presentation As you address the microphone if you could give us your name and relationship to the project that would be fantastic You need to turn the microphone on at the bottom there. There you go Scott parker. I'm with mckeller mcgowan land development I think it's important to know that we we're a seasoned developer. We've been the principles have been together since the late 70s or early 80s They've done well over 10 000 units and hundreds of thousands of square feet of commercial space office space One of the things that we wanted to concentrate on when we came to santa rosa is to comply with the Existing zoning and the existing general plan and that's what we've tried to do here with this Project and we've had good guidance from the city staff. They've been very helpful to us to kind of comply with The hot buttons of the city and that's one of the reasons why we moved our recreational center Um from out on college to the interior interior of the unit or interior of the project We have Six buildings as you can see there 20 unit buildings three-story configuration There's four units on the main floor and then eight on the second floor and eight on the Third floor and then we have tuck under parking as well 12 unit 12 spaces so 12 of the units will have tuck under parking The four the four units on the main floor have direct access to their Parking but the others are of course upstairs and then the other units are accessed by two Individual staircases that come into the Second and third floor they're open all the way. So there's a lot of light in those stairways And that go all the way up to the ceiling Or to the roof of the building and excuse me We've we have elaborated on the we have quite elaborate Recreational area maybe we can go to that So this is Something that this again is a work in progress, but we've tried to we've tried to really create a Environment here that can be really useful to the the residents And we've gone into one of the buildings and actually taken three of the units Right there So that that building would be a 20 unit building But it's a 17 unit building and we have a rec facility. We have conference rooms. We have a dog spa We have a bike station Where the residents can utilize this for their own For their private use and we also in the other building that's separate We have also meeting facilities and recreational areas. We have a full Kitchen in that in that building that can be utilized by the residents as well And then our leasing offices will be there Over over this way right there. Yeah, our leasing offices will be there, too That's how and then of course we have the pool. We'll have outdoor seating by the pool barbecue areas TVs large-screen TVs Outside and inside for the residents. So again this this Concept we're working through this we we feel pretty good about what we have right now, but we're working through this Maybe christine i'm christine talbot from quadriga landscape architecture and It's fun to go into the detail of the recreation space, but i'm going to walk you through the site a little bit And we'll look at this rendered plan just for ease of me to read it So west college avenue obviously on this side. We have entries off west college Into the parking area as well as an entry off cowl lane There's surface parking with tree plantings on grade as well as the um tuck under parking that scott mentioned on-site circulation with the sidewalks Provides pedestrian access to the sidewalk at both street entrances. So there's on-site circulation all the way around the site Patios on the ground floor to provide additional recreational space for individuals and also A couple tucked in areas for barbecue and Smaller gathering outside of the recreation center The site plan has already been previewed by the fire department. And so all the The drive aisles are 26 feet. So that's why You see the area within the alley area between the apartments We don't necessarily have space for trees at this time and that's for the fire access So I did want to point that out because I think it It is shouting out for something in these areas and normally we would put trees back here, but it's just not allowed So I think we'll look at ways to accent the pavement and things like that to create a little more interest in these areas There's no street access here. So this is a turnaround space. So this acts as a forecourt relief for the apartments and so we'll we'll look to create that kind of experience for the residents The planting pellet at this time is fairly simplified we've really focused on Native plantings and low water use plantings But we'd like to have a lot of texture and interest because the architecture is so modern we will really be playing off that with Really succulent plantings and very strong structural plantings The street trees we have Several on the pallet right now We haven't selected a particular species because there's a lot of variety on west college avenue. So We'd like to provide a lot of shade for pedestrians And maybe get some bigger trees Into the separated sidewalk area We do have adequate and even abundant shade in the parking lots with the the trees and We have focused on more of a screening tree along this Property line because it does a butt Neighbors across this pue that was mentioned. So they're about 75 feet away Up until about this point So we really wanted to focus some screening along this area And I think that is why this building was placed where it was So that these residents they have 75 feet of buffer These residents they they don't have quite as much The pool area on this plan is a little bit different than the one that scott mentioned It's a work in progress. I think there's a lot of excitement about that area So it's going to change probably a couple more times, but it's going to be a Kind of a spa experience for the people that live in this in this complex This is just one Kind of character image. We were envisioning it being very green and soothing Some shade components with the trellising outdoor furnishings Obviously, there'd be the pool and the spa Opportunities for gathering and outdoor cooking There would be some type of screening wall along this parking side And then it would open up along the street side to provide a little bit of view into The area without exposing the people inside. So there'd be like a vine screen fence How we treat this entry I think is going to be really important. We haven't completely got it worked out We have to understand the views in and out of this building and how it's going to be used, but I envision that this space will be very special and will really have a lot of contextual planting So that it provides some view from the building And then again, as scott already called out here on the pool area and the spa There would be outdoor kind of a loggia area with seating and tv So a very luxurious space for the residents to use And I think that's what we have right now I don't know if you want to go back and look at the elevations a little bit I'm not an architect, but You know, I can tell you that there's at-grade patios With a wall treatment And a very modern feel I should I should say too our architect was planning to be here, but he had a family Issue that was an emergency that forced him to stay home. He wasn't able to be here the The materials on the building right now As planned are The base of the material base of building materials plaster in the sand finish The dark accents are plaster with a steel trowel finish The accent colors are areas are hardy board siding The handrails are metal The eyebrows on the third floor are metal Ground floor patio enclosures are going to be split face block with stacked bond Gates on the patios are steel the roofs are a flat tpo roofing and the windows are black vinyl The building height at the tallest parapet is 36.7 or 36 feet seven inches And the average building height is 33 Seven inches I think we're allowed 45 feet. I'm not mistaken. Is that right? Yeah Thank you Thank you very much for the presentation Let's go with questions for staff or the applicant eric. I don't have questions. I'll Save comments for the comments. Thank you Adam no questions for me. Thank you true So this is a question for the applicant. I think so there seems to be A discrepancy Between what we have in our packets versus What is on the screen with regard to the landscape? plan And also with regard to kind of the pool area and lawn and kind of that stuff. Can you So what's the most current? So what you see what you see on the on the slides are there was a late correspondence sent to the design reboard that had a couple they were coming in Kind of today and yesterday. So there may have been something there that happened, but we did I did forward Forward the landscape plan I believe Yeah, let me check that so so If you look at the site plan itself that has an older concept of the recreation area the individual Landscape or the recreation area the individual plan that we showed that's kind of the current and we haven't melted those two Into the site plan yet So I guess let me look at So see here's my Here's my issue Problem whatever you want to call it Oh goodness gracious sorry So the the problem I'm having is it's so I'm looking at something here that So you added a building? No, you didn't you just moved it. Okay, cool. You flipped some stuff around. Okay, I'm getting it I'm cool now Sorry Of the one separate building and then we're going into the second building is is what the new plan shows us so I think he's Are you looking at the presentation that was provided on online or the or the attachment of the landscape plan in the recreation center the presentation that is On iLegislate or whatever so it's slightly different, but it's fine Maybe we just leave that up that'd be good because I think everything else is the same So that was my question. So this is the latest With then the overlay that you sent via email with some tweaks To that. Okay, cool. Henry Two color schemes. Is that what you're proposing? Six buildings two color schemes because one of the slides had Three slides, but it was it had two Of the one with the wood siding in it, right? We actually have three color schemes But two of them do in the slides look very much like and again, that's kind of a work in progress as well Is actually what our elevations we have not completed walk-around elevations yet So we'll fine-tune all that and we probably will have At least three color schemes any other questions Good just one question So since this is not coming back to us again, is that correct adam? And I guess this is a question Since it does seem that there we're getting some incomplete answers on what's in the package Just kind of wondering What it would So if if if the package is incomplete, this is more of a broader question about our process of the package is incomplete And we're making design recommendations and choices A little more context of how we should proceed So I think that the only thing that you don't have besides that emailer is a presentation has That was provided on the legisar was updated today For this meeting right now all others is what was provided by the applicant and that's what you have to go on to provide comments Um, I don't know how much it will change, but provide comments as you See fit I believe would be appropriate and including the Finish material You know stuff that you guys are very well tuned at providing comments on Okay, thank you Okay with that, um, I would like to open up this item for public comment Um, I do have one written card But uh, just because someone wrote a card and if you're here and you didn't feel free to Approach the podium after my first speaker. So my first speaker will be uh, judy erweiss Mr. Vice that's me This is on it is. Thank you great Um, first of all, I just want to say thank you to the developers and landscapers and all because you have obviously Taken a great deal of time and thought to make a nice Development nice space I am speaking on behalf of three neighbors That are here two who had to leave and two who are home sick Um, and these are our biggest concerns Um, and I would like to say the round barn area somebody mentioned that it's a very special development Well, we think our neighborhood is special too and just because we're on the west side doesn't mean we don't care as much Um, we're really concerned about the modern look of this. It does not fit into our neighborhood It's three stories and a single family neighborhood We have a few homes with granny flats on top of the garage, but other than that. We're all one story The round barn project with the farmhouse architecture is far more Acceptable, uh, and more pleasing to our neighborhood that property has a farmhouse on it right now and walnut trees It was agricultural Um If there's not a walkway somehow from this To the north to layman elementary school. We are gonna have I live on what manhattan way all of us do We're gonna have increased traffic. We already have early morning and afternoon traffic of parents taking their kids to and from school So we'll have even more and I know this isn't necessarily a child Development, but I am sure in the two bedroom two bath places. There will be some kids I do have a question that the building that Runs parallel to manhattan right here at the bottom Can you tell me how far it is from west college to the southern edge of that building? We'll give that answer for you after your public comment. Okay, thanks That the height of that building is a huge concern for the people that live right there Both in terms of looking at a building from our backyards or our front yards depending on which side of the street We're concerned about sunlight and noise and privacy As far as traffic, I know there's a traffic study to be done, but If you try and get out onto west college from manhattan At most times of the day you take your life in your hands and you're gonna have people coming out of this complex Trying to do the very same thing. It's crazy people go super fast Little cars race with each other and during the evacuation. It took us one hour to get one mile to 101 The cowl street residents who had to leave Are on a private road and they already have people coming down and making u-turns on their road that they have to pay for themselves They would like to have that road paved and curbed by the developers to help cut down on that And could you explain the process from now on please? Sure, and if you have other stuff you can take a little bit more time since you're speaking for Thank you six people multiple and you waited all night to speak. Thank you We did wonder about the The building again that's parallel to manhattan if that couldn't be reduced to two stories which would cut down on How people see it even we live on the west side of the street And we have a view Between the houses of a beautiful sunrise and moon rise that will be completely blocked out by that building And if it were cut down a story that might be able to happen that we could still see that Let's see. What else here? Oh No, I got that one. Sorry I've rewritten my notes four times while you all were talking Um, I love the eyes on the street comment and that's again why we're so concerned about how modern this is and if you drive West on college you're going to come on this big Concrete looking sort of monolith that is just going to be an eyesore It's like putting a skyscraper in the middle of our neighborhood And again, it's a nice skyscraper, but it doesn't fit with our neighborhood And that's all I have to say and thank you very much for your time Thank you. Ms. Erice appreciate the comments Any other public comment? All right seeing no one approached the podium. We will close public comment for this item Bringing it back to the board Maybe we'll start with drew this time and Have your comments and a general dialogue What the applicant is appropriate given the concept review This is in the north area station area whatever plan, right? Correct. Okay. That's what I thought. I was going to look something up So bear with me for a moment. I apologize Okay So I was looking for this because I remembered it being in here So because it's in the north Santa Rosa station area specific plan there is Is the comment about not matching the neighborhood triggered my memory So there is an item in here 4.10 L1 and it's a titled compatible design And it says development on either side of streets Facing each other should be designed at a compatible scale and massing to encourage a comfortable pedestrian environment and maintain a sense of visual cohesion along the street. So The stationery plan ends at west college, right? Or does it go across the street? It goes north of it, but it ends On the west property line of this location of this location. So really whatever it is Coral and abacus, whatever that cowl cowl Lane or way or whatever would be the road And west college right would be the two roads that would be This item would apply to correct So that applies to so here is the north station area specific plan boundary And then it goes east So this project is within that Within that site. Okay so that's I think The reason I kind of bring that up is I think we've had a couple of projects lately that straddle kind of You know zoning plan designated areas or that are at the boundaries of them. And so they're kind of serving I think we said this a couple times serving two masters, right? um So in the one sense this because this project in The north center was a station area specific plan, but it's also adjacent to single family development It's kind of got to deal with two things in many ways And in addition to that what's to the east of it isn't exactly Compatible development in a way. It's a safe way. It's not It's it's not housing. It's not mixed use. It's a safe way with a big parking lot So it's a really interesting I think design problem to solve in That you have the guidelines for the station area specific plan that are pretty clear about You must do this to be compatible, but at the same time you don't have anything to be compatible to right and so I'm not The reason I say this is I'm not adverse to modern design. I happen to like modern design. I think it can be sleek and unique and interesting But I think at the same time because you're kind of in between Zoning in a way It may be prudent To look at a more perhaps transitional architecture I guess I would say Given the concerns from the the neighborhood next door the neighbors Granted we have seen a lot of projects that are very stark Departure from the adjacent neighborhoods and that's permitted within the the design guidelines as long as it's four-sided architecture and superior design and I think You've started down that path of four-sided architecture with superior design I don't see the other three sides. So I don't know If all four sides are You know matching the front But based on what's on the front I can Work in my mind what the other three sides would look like That being said Just on what you've proposed. I I like the materiality. I like the colors. It's very It's actually very southern california in a way It's very southern california modern that's kind of happening down there The thing that I would encourage Is so I I like the white stucco. I think that's real clean and nice And then using the trowel finish for the black pop outs. I I would think introducing a A third material might be interesting Since you're already using hardy Use a hardy panel instead of hardy board Right, so it's it's economical. I think I'm not asking you to put an expensive material on here But it's economical and you could paint it and it could be a little different and Add some pop to those elements that you're trying to pop out from the facade And it's very durable You know you you break it you replace it Stucco you'd have to redo And and hard trowel stucco is difficult to get like really right to get that Really clean smooth kind of almost metallic appearance that it gives But anyway, so that I do I like the massing of the buildings. I mean, they're big Apartment buildings, but I like the massing. I like how it's broken up by the different colors and the different wrapped elements or elements to me that Appear to be wrapping the corners, but I don't know because I don't see other sides I think variation within the hardy beyond kind of the Three that are here. I like the green and I like kind of the wood color But introducing a third color. I think like that's drastically different would be would be cool To make them different and it doesn't look like it's split face block For the it looks like it looks like it's actually like a ledge stone or something in the renderings I don't know if that makes sense there. I think that's a potentially an unnecessary material I think doing the the garden walls out of stucco could be just as effective Doing that in hard trowel could be just as effective as the stone and then again, there's some cost savings there And then The concept landscape plan Uh, that was in the presentation Not this I actually like that better Because the pool was smaller and it had that large lawn Which I thought was more user friendly to the because what I think this new plan is lacking is some open green space I mean, there's a little bit kind of hiding at the corner of cowl and West college But beyond that, there's really no like open like tot lot or dog park or anything like that. I mean, you've really maxed out the site in terms of parking, driveways and buildings and there's not really any Uh, open green space and that is a design guideline. I can't remember where it is, but there's a requirement for 50 square feet or something per unit of a open green space So I would I would like to find a way to reintegrate that into the pool area if you could And then this seems like it might be over parked to me, but it's hard to tell Because there's tuck under parking and then there's also Like lot parking. So I don't know if it's Over parked or not because there's not I didn't see a calculation in anything Do you know it's over parked? Is it over parked? Yeah, we're slight. We're we are slightly over parked 1.68 per unit versus 1.5 required. Okay. Did I just miss that somehow? Okay We've seen a lot tonight and we have yeah, yeah, I would Yeah, you do the map I I think that might be I mean this green space we're talking about you could steal it from that over parking potentially Rearrange move a building a little bit steal a couple of parking spaces You know that kind of thing without impacting the fire lane access that you've kind of worked out with the city already But beyond that Again, I'm sad that I won't see this project again Because it's in a priority development area and this It's these types of projects that are good that appear to be good at concept that generally tend to go well If we see them again when we have preliminary and then final Um, so if we saw this again, I think it would be a a good project moving forward um and I think one more thing that I heard from the public they may have not noticed is so the building that is adjacent to um Manhattan on that side of the property it's Adjacent to the easement whereas the three homes that are along college Are abutting just parking spaces um So that's I think that's pretty significant in terms of the the the applicant has made the decision to push the building north essentially, yeah that It's it doesn't have anything backing up it other than the public utility easement Uh, and then I so I would recommend though, uh sun studies As part of your application, uh, particularly if there appears to be a lot of public comment on the item sun sun studies about the Shadows would solve that Pretty quickly because then you could say hey look we've got 75 feet And at this time of the day it's not casting on anybody's house or maybe it is. I don't know but I think this would be a great project moving forward. Uh I I wish we had to see the clubhouse architecture um because I think The what's shown in the site plan is I think a little bit more unique and modern and funky Than what the update we saw with the actual floor plan that went a little more orthogonal and rectilinear I kind of like this idea of The angle I think that could be really cool and unique Uh, but that's all I've got. Thank you Thank you drew henry Well drew drew hit on just about everything I was going to touch on Um And I I wish we did I wish we were seeing all four sides of the of the of the buildings I I do like the site plan and how how you were respectful of the backyards of the Homes and move the one unit on the west side to about the easement Chairman did the calculation 21 spaces I I'd I'd encourage you to Shift those from asphalt paving to to landscaping and help bring back some of that space and maybe it's integrated into A dog park or Some some other a minute to to get back some of that green space I'm not opposed to modern architecture either. I I actually like it encourage it um But it is in it it is in a in an area that uh, you know, maybe It sort of maybe does relate a little bit to the safe way that that underwent a major renovation when it converted from g and g to to safe way not to give any plugs to businesses but the um That's about the only thing that I can think of along college that has a contemporary architecture to it so it it in some ways perhaps does speak to the design guideline that that drew was pointing out earlier that The neighboring adjacent should be compatible in its character, but it doesn't it's not compatible and it's character to the residential so Maybe you know, I sort of do wish that it had a little more of a transitional look to it, but Um, I do like what you've done. I think it's I think it's quite quite handsome and and uh Just just consider eliminating some of those parking spaces as you move forward. Thank you, Henry Eric I think True we hit a lot of a lot of key points Um, I think they're a little more a little more softer with their comments Um, well, I'm not opposed to modern buildings I find very little attractive about this building I don't feel that it matches the neighborhood Drew is absolutely correct. It doesn't meet with compatible designs for the neighborhood If you look at the roofs for both the commercial the joining commercial property as well as the surrounding residential neighborhood Your roof style and design Is very modern doesn't doesn't is not compatible with the surrounding areas The black pop-outs On the the images Maybe it's personal style I find it Very different than the than the surrounding area in the neighborhood It it doesn't blend it doesn't It doesn't fit I think Drew mentioned that he liked the colors and it wouldn't be the first time that we've Disagreed on that, but I don't like your color palette either I I again, I don't think it it matches that surrounding neighborhood And not that the commercial property next door is very attractive It needs an upgrade and I think all the neighbors would agree but The it's been that way for a long long time. I I just do not Think that this project the way it looks at the moment Meets the design guidelines in regards to the compatible design And I don't have small areas for improvement on it. It's it's large large Re-designing it would be better. I'm not opposed to the project being there just opposed to the the current looks I don't have any Concerns in regards to the the layout in the of the project Location of the buildings the rec center I think That was done well I do have a question for staff Would a traffic study be required because I do share the same concerns as the neighbors in regards to The traffic on west college So there are operational traffic requirements that are Required for this project that the applicant is working with the city's traffic engineering department with on that currently So I I greatly appreciate you bringing the project forward. I just You know nine nine out of ten times we have developers that headed out of the park and This just isn't one of those times. So I'm sorry Thank you, eric adam sure Yeah, I won't uh belabor a lot of the points that have been made. I think a lot has been covered. Um With the the elevations and the question about the um the black uh Borders, excuse me. Sorry. Um, do they Would especially the ones would be on the there's no um direction here, but on the left side of the uh rendering Does that wrap around is it gonna? Come around I know you're not the architect. So I'm not I'm not a hundred percent sure if it does or not Uh-huh. Um, so So it could it was so you haven't seen all four sides of the buildings yet Okay, um, yeah, again, it's this is A little concerned with not seeing like the full package and full concepts That are here. Um, I like where where you're going with it. Um, I do think it's a pretty interesting design It is we've had the discussion On projects some projects recently where you can reference what you're doing in the area You do something bold and new you could do a blend of the two I think you guys are going on the bold and the new side of things Which you know, I think could be really interesting in that site. I think with the landscape plan You're doing a great job with It's the the the buildings will be apparent that they're there, but I think the landscape plan is doing a good job with creating a it's it's um You're creating sort of an insular site on this it's night. It's screened very well. That's basically what i'm trying to say um It's a you're you're having some statements there, but it's also I don't think it's necessarily entirely obtrusive Um, I think that that it's it's a it's a nice meld of the two The one one Question with the black, uh, pop outs. I do like them actually it's a pretty interesting, um, different, uh Detail which I think is welcome. Um with a lot of the architecture that's happening these days and One The the lower one the middle lower one seems a bit heavy to me. That's all It seems like it's creating this large Portal that you're walking through. I like the ones on the sides If there's some way to lighten that somewhat Could be referencing the gray that's the metal gray that's on top or something it could be a thinner panels But I do like the the blackboarders. I think it's interesting and I like the swooping aspect of the the roof lines Um Yeah, again, I would like to see more of the The actual structures, especially um, like drew mentioned with the or henry with the uh, um recreation building Uh I do I would encourage um taking back some of that parking getting some of that green space back in there um, I think that could actually really add to that sense of um Of creating this this softer space because you're going to have this this kind of sharp architecture Soften it somehow soften it with these things and I think that um, uh, christine's on the really right path with the using uh The interesting native plants good screening, but then these also sculptural architectural plant choices He's talking with the succulents that are coming along in there So I think that having more of that to soften some of the effect could be really valuable and really enhance the project Just one thing too, you know, uh the um Right now, it's you know, these beautiful walnut trees that are there. There's some way to kind of reference Some aspect of the site that was there, you know, you know, they're they're obviously not an ideal tree to have In a in a landscape necessarily for a number of reasons, but they're also beautiful So it could be it, you know interesting just it's it's almost in some way to do an homage to the to the What was on the site previously so just something to think about um, other than that, uh I think it's a pretty interesting project. Thank you Thank you adam Before I go with my comments on the project mr. Vice had a question about a distance from a building to somewhere And I didn't write it fully down. Can you give it to me again? Give it any Okay Did you get those questions So I believe the public utility easement itself is 75 feet and then I Think it's something like a 10 foot building setback. Yeah, there's a 10 foot building step back from the property line Plus 75 feet and then plus whatever those people's backyards are to their house Am I also correct in hearing that you're wondering about the uh, the south end of that Parallel to Manhattan building so the south end going to college So there's that there's the measurement from the building itself long wise or long ways to the houses, but then Sure ways to college She's wondering about that as well from from the building to the houses is about 85 feet from the from the back of the building and from the From the south side of that building that parallels Manhattan to west college is About 300 feet 300 Yes, yes So remember they're 85 feet. They're 85 feet away Thank you for answering those questions I'm in I think there's a the site in my opinion is Layed out and the best way it's possible for the site for what you want to do with it I would agree that you could give up some of the parking for green space and you'd be way ahead in all sorts of different ways um I think the site plant. I mean, I don't think the site plan works mainly from a marketing perspective to potential residents I think the recreation area and the pool and all that stuff is way too close to west college I think it'd be better served at the North end of the property just my opinion More than anything and i'm actually in eric's court on the modern look Um, I have not been able to get myself around it. Um, I I like The actual design of the buildings and the modern look love it just not here Um, I don't think it fits in at all with the neighborhood I was trying to go on google earth and I've I live in Santa Rosa. Obviously I've been here all my life So I know the area very well um, and I even looked at kind of the finley complex and tried to you know Pull some modern stuff out of that, but I just never really got there with it um So it's not that I don't like the modern Architecture and and this I just don't necessarily feel it's appropriately placed in the city I also think that the board's in a tough position from the standpoint that we don't have all four sides developed So we can't comment on all four sides We don't have a community center developed. So we really can't comment on it And um, so I think it's just difficult to give you a full host of comments And it's going to you know fall on the zoning administrator to potentially Decide whether they've got enough information to act on If I may so that is a concern Uh, I think what we'll do is staff will take the comments that the board has given us tonight We will go back through look at the application Package that was submitted look at the checklist on the application to see where the inconsistencies occurred where the shortcomings I will also have a discussion with the applicant. So this does move forward Technically could go on to the zoning administrator, but all these comments will be forward to the zoning administrator Uh, the zoning administrator takes these comments very seriously as the staff. So Some of the comments tonight We will discuss like I said with the applicant to see Uh Where the staff recommendation and then the the potential for an approval where that lies It's not unheard of to come back to the board for another concept review I don't want to commit that to the board tonight Um, but I just want the board to know that these comments are taken very seriously by both staff and the applicant We'll have a a good discussion with the applicant as well on what this means Um And then and then get back to you I think I've I've got a question. I might bill. Um So there was a comment from the public about Pardon me about the process um, and so Uh, I'm going to walk through it if you and correct me if I'm wrong and then I have a question related to that Why don't we just have bill walk through the process and yeah, whatever question But I think I'm pretty much right on this. It's really it's very simple We see it a concept All of our comments then go to the planning commission if there's an action required the planning commission to set The the plat map in place that gets done And then it goes to the zoning administrator for the design review. Is that correct? Does this have to go to planning commission at all? I was just clarifying. There's no subdivision So this only goes to the zoning administrator Okay, and so then it would just go to the zoning administrator And then it's either approved or denied based on it being a complete package at that point. Is that correct? Well, the zoning administrator does effectively the review that the design review would Board would do as well looks at the design guidelines looks at the findings for design review And has to make sure those are adhered to also the za zoning administrator is going to consider the comments that have been given tonight And so the applicant We will talk to the applicant to see what the competence level is both from their side as well as where our staff recommendation goes at this point And if it's determined that an approval is Not necessarily likely with the zoning administrator. That's where I say we will have that discussion The offer is there to come back to this board You know the idea is is that the board has a complete package and can give that The meaningful set of comments and if that's not occurring that's an issue. It's a big concern for staff. So You know to date we haven't quite had one of these scenarios But what we said at the outset when we changed that process where we reduced that review authority Where the zoning administrator was the final authority is that we would ensure that This board gets a complete package and can give truly that meaningful set of comments And certainly we've heard the message tonight that that wasn't necessarily the case so we will evaluate it have that discussion and There is a potential that it could come back Thank you for the comments that answer everything for you So I didn't just want to address the applicant on this issue is that I think that from a concept design review and in the normal sense of a concept design review in our old process This would have been Fine and you know, we could have given you some you know appropriate feedback but because the The way in which our process works has changed. It's difficult for us which our job is incumbent upon giving full Comments to the zoning administrator so that they can then act and speed the process along so I don't think it's anything that like your packages whole sale, you know Inadequate I guess it's the word I just wanted to so you don't feel like you're walking away going out of those guys They just kind of poo pooed us It this would have been more appropriate on the way we used to operate It just so happens it doesn't quite fit the way we're trying to operate so If that's any consolation probably not Oh, and I I was just thinking If for whatever reason it were to go to the zoning administrator and not come back to us Is there an opportunity at the zoning administrator level for the public to provide comment? Sure, that's a great comment. So the item will go to the zoning administrator as a public meeting Uh and the public in attending can make comments The public can also request up until one day before the public meeting the public hearing The meeting will be conducted in the same manner. There is still an ability for the public to come and comment It's just the noticing is a little bit broader. So that's what will change Um, and then it should be noted that that's an appealable action So if the zoning administrator were to approve or deny the project anybody can appeal that And the appeal body is back here to the designer view board thank you, but bill the The public notices for the for that meeting or hearing if so If it gets to that staff is mail notices To residences residents within a certain area as well as well as there would be a sign on the On the parcel or no, so that's the distinction between a public meeting Which is what's required. It would just be the mail notices to 600 feet within the project site tenants and owners And then if a hearing is requested, that's when the onsite sign goes up and then a publication in the newspaper as well so with that In closing with this applicant before I Have the applicant go away. I just wanted to say again We appreciate you making an investment in santa rosa and hope that you continue down the path So thank you Okay, so on to our next agenda item board member reports any board member reports this evening Seeing none move on to item number eight department reports No department reports this evening. So I want to thank the board staff and The members of the public for their involvement and I want to adjourn the meeting. Thank you