 You put everything that you're running on front and center So like one of the first things that I do when I learn about a candidate is I go to their health care page And I check do they support Medicare for all that's like the most basic litmus test that I have Do you support Medicare for all then? Okay, that's good. We'll talk But I mean you're really leading with this right? You're not burying the lead and I think that's especially important now like back in 2019 I maybe could have given people a pass for not being on board with Medicare for all But during a pandemic, I just I can't give them a pass anymore. It seems like it's not just inhumane It's it's unreasonable and irrational to be against Medicare for all kids So can you talk through that need during a pandemic? Especially especially with regard to you know, Delawareans and how it impacts them Mm-hmm. Yeah, I mean, I think everyone who is Continuing to oppose Medicare for all should be called on the carpet for that every single day and forced to explain their reasoning for that because It's the nonsensical position at this point and Medicare for all is actually the responsible pragmatic policy. We know it saves us money We know it saves us lives and in the middle of a pandemic when you have millions of people losing their employer-based insurance How can you continue to say this is the right system? How can you say that the answer for them is the affordable Care Act marketplace where the Lowest cost plans in the state of Delaware. So first of all, this is why it's relevant state of Delaware We have one insurer in our marketplace one There's no competition there They can set the prices however they want and what has had to happen is that the federal government and the state government have Actually had to step in and create a reinsurance program to take the most expensive people and cover their costs Because this for-profit insurance company does not want to cover people So we already have our federal and state government putting money into this insert insurance system And the plans that you get there the most affordable plan was $300 a month with an $8,000 deductible. So if you just lost your job and you can't afford your Cobra payments Which I've had to be on Cobra. My payments were upwards of $700 a month Which is not sustainable when you don't have income and your option is the ACA you can't afford that either So we are creating a situation where people who were probably already Underinsured are now going to be uninsured in the middle of a public health crisis And I don't know how that is not a moment of radicalization for you We have seen that it is for voters people who were not on board with Medicare for all are open to that conversation now And it's relevant for Delawareans We have approximately 30% of people in our state who are struggling with medical debt And that is debt that is completely unnecessary and it impairs their ability to keep their housing It impairs their ability to put food on the table to keep a car all of the things they need to otherwise survive So this is a problem. We can absolutely Alleviate and remove and I really think that we are beyond the point of people who support Medicare for all Needing to explain that position it has turned a corner and people who don't support They need to be the people that we are calling out and saying how could you possibly not support this? I totally agree with that. I mean, we we've won this debate proponents of Medicare for all We've won everything that we said has been proven right, especially now during a pandemic Unfortunately, like we didn't want it to you know be this way where we're proven right because of a pandemic But I mean it's it's common sense And you know the thing that's striking to me is that out of all the issues that Democrats could get on board with like I get you know The the stranglehold that big pharma and the health insurance industry has on the party You know as a whole but I mean this is one of the issues where you can't really lie to voters and gaslight voters We all see firsthand how this impacts all of us I mean I was just talking to my niece this morning about how she needs to get her tonsils removed and she has insurance But she has to fight them to try and get them to cover that it's like even if you have insurance You can't tell us that we love it. We hate these insurance companies. So it's right. I love that I see people like you running really just Leading with Medicare for all because it's so important and I think that if if Democrats really embrace Medicare for all They would be unstoppable. So it's frustrating to see not just the reluctance, but just the Almost harsh tone that they have like as you stated Chris Coons uses Republican talking points These manifest from within the industry These aren't things that he's coming up with because he just has some you know some agreements Disagreements with you on you know some of the specifics No, these are lies that the industry spreads because they want to protect themselves because they know that Medicare for all poses an existential threat to them