 I'm going to call to order the November 18, 2019 meeting of the Argentine Redevelopment Board, reported by ACMI. The agenda this evening is environmental design review, public hearing, special permit, 3610, filed by Apothca Inc., 1386 Massachusetts Avenue. So you can advertise in here this evening. Apologize for technical difficulties getting started a little bit late. I do see some new faces this evening. So just to kind of give people a rundown of what's going to be happening in case you're not familiar with this, the applicant is going to come up. They're going to have an opportunity to present. The board may ask questions from time to time. The board usually will ask questions after the applicant presents. Once that's finished, I will open the agenda to any public comment. So people in the crowd who wish to have may say, please hold any questions, comments until that time, anybody who wants to speak will be recognized and given the opportunity to do so. So here until everyone's had that opportunity, then the board may ask additional questions, puts the requirements on the applicant. We may take a vote, I think it's unlikely this evening, but depends on where we go from here. So with that, I'm going to open up and ask the applicants to come forward, introduce yourselves, begin your presentation. Please, I can give you this microphone, or if you'd like to use it, it's a bigger one, but we're usually used to. Can I have more, Henry? Actually, it's a microphone. Thank you. Take it right there. Thank you. Good evening, Mr. Chairman and this is the board. I am Joseph Fleckach, I'm the CEO of Apatka Inc. With me tonight, I have Bill Silverman from the Center of Sederberg, who's our legal representative and Anthony Cappacetti, the head engineer. He helped us put this all together for you guys. So I am here seeking a co-location special permit for a medical and adult use cannabis retail store at 1386 Massachusetts Avenue. As you can see, we're using largely the existing building. We will be redoing the parking lot at its basis for a total of 12. And so far, our existing medical facility at Water Street has been operating for over a year now, without any negative incidents, and we're working closely with various town departments. When we came up and spoke to you to get the special permit for that location, there were a lot of concerns, and I think that we've far surpassed most expectations with that operation. And I here to commit to you that we'll do the same if this is approved. There's a benefit that Arlington has working with Apatka on this location for a co-location. About three weeks ago, we opened up our co-located adult use and medical dispensary in Glen, right on the Linway. We are directly on that state highway, and we see about 40,000 cars every single day driving by our location. To date, with a parking lot similar in size, we have been able to accommodate a high of 494 transactions without a single hiccup. And so far, we've been able to get customers and patients in and out of the store for an average transaction time of other four minutes, far exceeding the metrics that we submitted with this application. In regards to the building, as some of you know, you have two tenants right now, Arlington Swiftie print, and you have the Bank of America ATM. The Bank of America ATM can stay in its space, walled off from the space that we'll be taking over, and we plan on adding a new doorway to the front of the building to allow our customers and patients to come in. Additionally, with the way we've set up the parking lot and with existing curb cuts, one way in, one way out, to be able to manage the traffic flow efficiently. With that, I'm going to turn it over to Tony Cappacetti to keep going through this process, and obviously, all three of us want to be happy to answer any questions that anybody may have. Thank you. Tony Cappacetti, he's an engineer in 603 Salem Street, Williamville, Massachusetts. We've been working with Kafka since 2016, but I remember the facilities, including the last time I was in site. This site, again, it is an adaptive reuse of the existing commercial building. Looking to do as minimal changes to the site as possible, although we are committed to adding six additional spaces, the previous parking spaces were enabled to configuration, there is enough room to back out. Back out, turn around, and circulate the building that allowed us to add six additional spaces, plus make one of those spaces a very accessible handicap space. So, that would bring the facility into compliance with the ADA and NASA ADP parking requirements. We also provide an accessible room to the existing walkway here, which allow to access the front entrance, and the exit to come back out to the side and around to that space. There's some unnecessary additional impervious, so in order to balance out the newly created impervious from reconfiguring the parking lot, the sidewalk, what is the east side of the building, and to the south of the building, there's a short, it's not quite a full sidewalk, it's not a compliant sidewalk, it's about two or three feet of concrete that would be removed to balance out the increases in additional impervious. The site itself, looking at IT and trip generation rates, you're looking at about 560 to 556 trip ends per day coming to the facility. That's for the proposed marijuana use. There's very limited study data for marijuana use. This is four sites that we'll look at from the IT and trip generation rates. It's a fairly new use. I'm sure you all heard the harness from the first two that opened in Massachusetts. I can assure you that's because of the very limited amount of that type of facility. Since then, there's been a number of facilities that have opened, including Massachusetts being one of them. I think on the opening day, you'd do about 300 customers. Obviously parking spot, we had buses, none of which was needed. Another project in Brockton just opened up similar circumstances. They're not as trendy as they were six months ago. To give you a rough idea though, we did some studies in June at Alternative Therapies Group in Salem, Massachusetts. Their trip generation rate per 1,000 square feet was about 315 trip ends per 1,000 square feet compared to the 256, I believe, the IT calculated. That was still, there were only about nine dispensaries of the entire state at that point in time. As we opened more dispensaries, what we're seeing is that rate is declining. Brookline, far larger dispensary, we're talking 20,000 square feet, 20 point of sale terminals. Bit more trip generation, however, they were kind enough to let us interview their clients as they were exiting. We were getting about 53.7% that those customers were saying this was a pass by. They had planned to be on this route, diverted from the route briefly, went to make their transaction and continued on their route. And that's comparable to a pharmacy with other drive-through windows, seasoned by 49%. In our study, we didn't take any discount for this pass by rate. What we're hoping is that the downtown commercial area, you know, will have that same effect. You'll have people who will plan to be in that downtown to carry over to this facility on their route. We did receive the comments from the board from the, I'm sorry, town staff today, reviewed that. We did not have a chance to prepare a full response. Some of the questions that came up were regards to bicycle parking. The ordinance was a little difficult to ascertain whether or not new spaces would be required. If they were, we did take a look. Without increasing the purpose, we would use church building to the east of the building to have two racks. There were a lot for two bicycles on each side before bicycle parking spaces. I know what I like to do is very bicycle-friendly. So we would be more than happy to accommodate that. The other questions were some of the numbers we put out there. A full place design for 105 people maximum capacity. We don't anticipate that many people being in the store at a given time. And then we kind of gave you a number based off the peak hour, which I believe was 66 vehicle trips, which is 33 vehicles in the peak hour. So that basically says that our parking lot might have to turn out three times in that peak hour, which would be a 20-minute transaction time. And as Mr. LaCache said, they're actually about four minutes. And that lends to the way this is used. It's a very used for me, although we've been involved in about any of these facilities so far in Massachusetts. What we're seeing is consumers tend to use another website to make the menu of products available. They go on weekly, I believe, as one of them. They go on and they can see live what products are available. So people know exactly what they're getting purchased. It's not a lot of window shopping that goes on. That tends to be on the medical side. And I don't think you're seeing, you know, after the first one or two transactions, I'll let Joseph speak to that. But I think they didn't find the message as best suited for them and continue with that. But as far as the recreational customers go, they look down the list, they figure out what they want, and they know when they walk in the door. It's a very, very quick turnaround. We did try to comply with the landscaping requirements, adding where possible additional trees. We're looking to take out some of the landscaping that is not in the greatest repair and adding some trees that will provide some buffering, some screening, some of the saguous buffering, and other green trees, as well as some ground cover to try and clean up the space. You know, that is something that we want is a very attractive facility. And when the board gets to any questions, they'll be happy to answer any questions you have. Otherwise, in turn, we'll sort them into the sexy room. We'll speak a little more to the other side. If I had to store all these points. I'll be unusual, but it doesn't say a lot. Really, not a lot to add other than I just want to sort of reiterate the traffic issues. I know that's a big concern everywhere. My firm represents about 100 of these businesses in Massachusetts, and we are finding that a lot of the initial wonder about this has sort of diminished. And so the last several, there's about 35 dispensaries open right now, and the last several, there just hasn't really been much of an issue. You know, we're not seeing the people coming in from New York anymore with curiosity and schematic and such. So all good news for the industry, I think, for our look as well. So I'll leave it at that. And if there's questions, let us know. We're happy to answer. We'll take the mic back if you don't. Thank you. Thank you. I do think we have a few questions. Let's begin with Ken, who will go right down the line, and then there's anything else to ask. Wrap that up, then turn it over to the public. I'm going to focus on a few things. I know they're going to focus on others. So what I'm going to focus on is lighting on a rear parking lot. I noticed that your photometrics, as shown on L2, you have pretty good lighting where cars are parked. Roughly, you know, they're on average about five, which is good. But in the drive lanes and the corners, it's pretty weak there. I was wondering, would you guys be interested in adding some lighting along the driveway on incoming and outgoing? So as someone's walking down the street, it doesn't really look up that driveway. It's not dark. It has a more safer, friendlier, clean lighting back there. It's safe back there. We wouldn't have a problem adding additional lighting. The reason why it tails off is twofold. One, there is street lighting that we're unable to model. We don't know the fixtures. We didn't want to give any sort of false sense on the representation of what's going on. The other is, a lot of boards don't like to see light trespassing at the property line, even onto the right-of-way. So we were cognizant of that, and we didn't want a lot of fixtures that would exit onto the right-of-way. I don't personally see a big issue because they're shielded. These are all Dock Sky compliant lights, so you can't see the actual fixture itself. I think in an urban district, if you have some lights pulled onto the sidewalk, I don't see that as a bad thing. I'm not concerned about the sidewalks, per se. I'm more concerned about the driveways up and right when you turn your corner. That's fairly light there. If you put some lighting there. If we could add an additional light here and try to minimize the amount that you need. And then also on the other side, too. Same thing, we could go for a built-in amount of light here and try to minimize the spillage. Because eight-corn lights up front don't do much of anything on streets. That was one. The other one is, there was a resisting, I don't know what you call it. If we're looking at that down here, just to right of the building, there used to be sidewalk. You took that out of the landscaping there, right? Correct. I was wondering if you would be able to take that opportunity. Make that into some sort of rain garden. What I mean right now is the whole parking lot slopes right up to the sidewalk. The two catch basins there are on the driveway. They don't even catch all the water. I've been there. I walked around there. It just goes out to the across side. Walk into the street and it goes out. It is a limited area. I realize. To make a DEP compliant parking lot, I don't think we'll have the area of the line. To make something that will capture maybe the annual storm or less, the more frequent storms that we see. Yeah. I think we could carve that out. There is a roof drain pipe that comes into the back of the catch basin so we could put a tee into that and just have a stand pipe that comes up to allow for an inch or two to settle in the rain garden then overtop and continue into the back of that catch basin. I'd like to go a second further than that. I would like to go and put on each side of the drive lanes. You're not the insurer. I'm not the insurer. As you look at where this piece will put in a trench drain that will capture any water going down that driveway on either side and then pipe it into your landscaping here. Have the landscaping act as your, the whole thing is landscaping. Hold on a minute. Sorry. This is the slightest representation if there's a trench drain right across here and somewhere right here you can have it dunk right into this thing here put some sort of copper here underneath your plantings and then you'll reach into the, reach back into the ground as much as you can put up a little overflow here in case you can't take it you'll go into the drain there. So now you take it. I think that could be common again with the caveat that this is going to be those less than one year. It's not going to meet the state court requirements the whole thing because you don't have enough space. I understand that. No that's not it. Is there a trench drain? That you intend to do that. That's that. And it's very minimal expense. No I think that's reasonable. That's all I have for now. Thanks again. I'll go down to the other side. I just have a few questions that I want to get into before I go down the line here. One of the things that I think is going to be of any concern here is how you deal with killing people around the site. This line on Mass Ave is mostly commercial but there's a neighborhood directly behind here and certainly we don't want this facility to impact them negatively. I know Apocca is committed to being a good neighbor in the area but I'm more concerned about your customers and what steps you're going to take to manage them and their actions even if it's just the increased noise from an extra 50 to 100 people in the neighborhood to give them a day. A lot of people work from home. Don't want their weekends to start. Talk to me about that a little bit. Sure. So again I can draw my experience that we just had right now over the last three weeks. First of all we almost never have a line outside the door. We get people in and out very very quickly and the way we build our floor space is very shoppable. So it's not like you'll experience another dispensary. You're walking and you're in a queue and you have to speak to a person. So for us when we come in we actually have this place. We have an open full-time concept that we also see in our medical dispensary now so that when customers come in we get them in the door and we're able to check them in as quickly as possible and then when they're inside the store they're able to either browse or come in and check out. That creates virtually no line outside. I think the longest line we've had is right before we're about to open and you're talking about 10 people and they get processed in very quickly. The reason I ask this is I know there's a concern over I think it's an EDA in Brookline where they have people queued in the parking lot and then for one section and they have another section for walk-offs essentially. Do you anticipate that there will be a plan to handle that? The type of constraints here in this space? So like I said, 494 people seen in Linn not a single issue and we also have outside security in Linn whenever we're open we're going to do the same here and people aren't allowed to stay around the property once they make their purchase. Regulatory speaking they leave and into their car leave and we enforce that very, very carefully plus people don't necessarily want to hang around and we don't see people loitering outside after they made their purchase and we get them in very, very quickly. I appreciate that you provided your security plan I didn't have a chance to take too deeply into that but I'm glad it exists. What sort of uniformed town official police will be on-site at Linn? So according with local PD and with Linn for example we had a Linn PD in the parking lot during our opening weekend and a state trooper on the highway neither Linn PD nor the state PD required it past the opening weekend because they saw that our operation was able to easily manage it. Here we'll do the exact same we'll start with a police detail that we'll cover and pay for and we'll have them until all the PD says it'll be in fire. The other thing I didn't see in the plan is that she gave us and I don't think I missed it or maybe I did and I know there's not a lot you can do as far as signage from the state regulations. Right now Swifty windows are big, wide, open. I know one concern when we went through the medicinal approval process was people being able to seat in obviously that's not the case with Water Street but do you plan to frost the windows and all that or keep looking for the window shopping? So the most important thing is that's part of the regulations you are not allowed to seat into the dispensing area on the outside. Every window will be frosted except for one which is the one that's on the second floor not really the second floor but double high atrium window that you cannot see through unless you're in a helicopter and that window we will not frost on that as much natural light in similar to Water Street since we're on the third floor the windows didn't have to be frosted since someone can look in. And lastly as far as parking it comes to mind the Bank of America the PtM that's there now is a remnant of what used to be a bank I think there's a drive-up window still there one, do you have any control of the drive-up window? We do not. Fix that, okay. Two, do Bank of America customers have the right to park in the parking lot and is that going to impact your ability to use all the spaces in time? Our agreement is for us to have full control of the parking lot. Okay. Alright, thank you. I'll turn over to David. Well thanks for being sensitive to the transportation issues and for bringing some focus to that. I do want to talk a little bit more about that. This could potentially be the first retail operation on this side of Boston. I don't know exactly the timing of some of the other ones are planning on opening but there is the potential that it could for some period of time at least draw people who aren't just passing by on their normal travels. So, you know, I recognize that there isn't a lot of available data out there on trips generated by these kinds of facilities but I'm really wishing that we had a more robust traffic study if there is more that we could do to understand the potential considering the specific geography of this location and the universe of retail operations that are in progress to open in the surrounding area and the potential timing of that versus when you might open just to better understand what the reality might be. Before you answer, one thing we might do and I was going to suggest this is we have the Transportation Advisory Committee weigh in on the traffic study that's been done as to whether it's sufficient or homework should be done it's been a while since we've asked for their help but I know they're willing and able to do so. Absolutely. So if I may, our lead location is the second closest to Boston. The closest one after that was in Salem. No one in Saugus, Revere, East Boston, Marblehead, Swam Scott, any of the surrounding neighborhoods and 40,000 cars driving by every single day already our average daily visitors is between 300 and 400 visitors a day. I wouldn't expect this location to be higher than that just based on that data and the fact that you will have to see dispensaries opening up in Cambridge you will see it in Somerville, you will see it in Malden. It's coming, new news regarding remedies and so it's not going to be the only game in town so to speak and even then that we have that reciprocal experience in Linn just now with all the surrounding communities sat in Salem with no dispensaries and it's possibly the only ones open and that's what we're seeing. From an engineering standpoint so it's tough, but something here a traffic study we generally look at level of service will this new use affect the delays on the roadway and that's all based off the IT trip generation rates and you're talking about 2018 pounds of about 18,000 vehicles per day on NASA out in this area our projected increase is less than 1% of the total daily volume for our total daily max increase. I think the best, so you can do a full traffic study on the side drive and it may tell you that at some inflated number if you want to use it you might effect level of service and you should you know put in some sort of signal I don't think that's prudent because what's going to happen is six months from now you're going to say why did I put this traffic legend it's causing nothing but problems I think the best way to handle this through a Q&A management plan or opening day high volume plan we've done that on a number of dispensaries we would work with public safety and said okay April 20th there's a 420 something Marijuana holiday so that's one that we kind of say you know what maybe we look at on these high volume days let's let's be forward thinking have a plan set in place with the police department we'll get a detail out here and have someone direct traffic at either entrance home we like to leave that up to public safety they know their job better than we do so we like to collaborate we work prior to opening and have that be a condition to have a high volume management plan and then the other part of those high volume management plans is to assess after you've implemented first time, the second time, the hundredth time what do we do right, what do we do wrong and modify that plan going forward so can you just walk us through how people will move from parking lot into the facility and then if people are queuing outside the facility where that queue will be so from the parking lot to the facility would be behind the vehicles, we do have 24 feet in width which is more than sufficient to get two cars to pass by plus have a pedestrian walking area ideally they would use the accessible route come up to the the handicap curb cut and enter the facility and move the doors over here where there's an interior queue there's multiple 25 people plus 40 people on the floor so you have a building that's going to handle about 65 people without any thought and there's an occupancy limit of 105 but our peak hour we're looking at about 33 customers so they should all be able to stay within the building but in the interior events what I would recommend in the queue plan would be to say okay we think we have a high volume event we're going to block off these two spots here and form a queue and then let people in through the back and walk around I think restricting parking on site for a queue makes more sense than allowing additional parking and then having Iowa and the traffic coming in and then dealing with people who are trying to line up next to a building versus this way you have a parking lot monitor that would basically stop traffic let people back and forth and kind of control it that way I will say we worked on the Linway project the parking lot is nowhere near as friendly as this layout and they get to have any issues on the Linway and it is a you're pulling back on to a state highway very limited backup space it is a tight driveway people want to be in and out of there as quick as possible I have a couple of concerns one is if people do end up queuing on the sidewalk how that affects accessibility for disabled customers who might be trying to use the same sidewalk the other thing is if potentially during peak periods parking lots turning over three times an hour the and having a significant number of entries and exits with somewhat limited sight lines and a fair amount of pedestrian traffic as well as vehicles on this have I'm a little concerned about particularly pedestrian safety from all the cars crossing the sidewalk going in and almost growing higher thinking about that again during a high volume situation we would have security staff working as parking lot attendants so while they wouldn't be directing traffic on the right way they wouldn't be stationed at either entrance and exit and then watching pedestrians in the queue here we would not want a queue to form on the sidewalk next to the building or adjacent to the building what we'd want to do is let them in in batches like I said we have an exterior queue in that situation again we're looking at twice the peak volume being capable of being on the sales floor in the queue line however if we did exceed that then we would go to a high volume plan you'd have some monitoring people here probably some stanchions to keep them corral and then letting them cross you know we're going to set five in at a time rather than this one and two you can queue about new vehicles here where you can have someone standing to stop them and then just watching the sidewalk something else we could do for long term is possibly a sensor that has vehicle approaches here we could have a red light or something that says those are pretty short money they're photo sensors that just say vehicle approaching so someone walking down the sidewalk would be able to see that way yeah and I'd want to make sure that not only can the entering and exiting vehicles see pedestrians on the sidewalk but that the pedestrians can see cars that may be coming out of the driveway that's why I was mentioning that the photo sensor back here so as the vehicle pulls here the light goes on showing the pedestrian that the cars come in well I am worried about the cars interacting with the pedestrians the pedestrians always tend to lose their battles so that's why I wanted to know so you're talking you've mentioned your I forget if you call it plan open bay plan, high volume plan so have you thought at all about offsite parking and where that might happen and how that would work how do you get people to the store I'm going to defer to Joseph for that only because I'm strictly the engineer the logistics so we had open bay plan open bay for the first few hours it was quite unnecessary I saw over 300 people that first day alone it's going to be a similar situation here not only do we have the 12 spots here but there's a tenth of a mile of the store, there's also a lot of street parking and I truly believe based on our experience that just that parking lot alone will be enough for the cars remember when we're talking about all these customers and 33 per hour that's we're talking about it assuming everyone drives but not everyone's going to drive some people will take the bus which is a big bus stop right across the street some people will walk, there's pedestrian traffic in the area as well I think what we'd like to see is is flexibility and I think you're expressing that you know we want to let you manage this in a reasonable way and based on your experience with your other facilities and also as things develop over time with this one but I think for our comfort I think we'd like to see a more detailed plan for how you're going to deal with opening day or other high volume situations specifically so that we understand where would offsite parking be how would you handle shuttling people you know I think we would like to see specifically more by parking so we'd like to see that on site both on the exterior for customers and I think your materials mentioned that you were going to allow employees to bring their bicycles inside but we don't see any detail about what kind of indoor bike parking facility is going to be available for them and so I think what I'm driving at is more of a full transportation demand management plan that goes into more detail on all of this so that we understand how you're going to handle all of these issues you know I think in the situation where things develop the way you believe they will but also showing us that you've thought through how you're going to handle it if a more intensive situation does develop I think that might be all I have for the moment Thanks David, go ahead Thanks, good evening I have a few general questions and then some more specific questions where I think your application doesn't have enough specificity in it and who needs to be added first general question and maybe this was in here, maybe some of them are and I missed it are you planning to close the water street facility? Yes so basically one of the things that's part of our community agreement is both locations are not the open simultaneously once this location is open water streets close if not even a little sooner we're still waiting to hear back from the state at what point in our change of location process they're going to require us to close water streets so I've been waiting for about a month for a response but talk about the staffing in the store at any given moment we'll have a maximum of four adult use registers open and one medical register open and a new register will be open staffing would be one person for each of those registers let's say one in two shifts a day but not full shifts so there's a mid-shift but there's caught this spillover between us because we're open from 10 a.m. to 8 p.m. so you'll have five staff members managing counters and one manager on duty at least one security personnel at all times you will have at least one of our agents on the actual sales room floor answering questions as surcussors and patients are looking around and then we'll have one inventory manager at all times so minimum when the facility is open is nine people maximum you'll never have more than nine or less than nine we might have less than nine so if we don't need all four registers Monday mornings between 10 and 12 you just don't have that much traffic we'll open two adult use registers for example I'll skip around a little bit because that leads me somewhere where I think you tend to get to that which is if there are 12 spaces for parking are you going to allow one of these to use those spaces? No, no. We'll use our spaces a little bit either there are a few town lots that they could pay for parking and we reimburse them for plus we incentivize them to use for the transportation or bicycles and that's something that we'd like to see laid out specifically in your TBM plan perfect yes, no, I forgot what I was talking about something else related to the parking oh I think one of you mentioned that you will control the parking lot and the people using the Bank of America ATM will not use it, how are you going to prevent them from driving in and parking? Honestly it's just by agreeing with the landlord who's the owner of Swift's print as well if it comes to an issue we'll look to or potentially we'll tell you vehicles you would have to have signage that says there will be signage upon the parking it wasn't clear that one of the things that was missing from this that I think would be helpful to have added just to add to that I think we'd want to see where that public only parking signage would be in your plan please has the Arlington Police Department reviewed your security plan? They have because it's the same security plan as we have at Elegant Water Street they reviewed this one for this location not this one specifically for this location but it's kind of location agnostic it's it would apply in this location the same as it applies in the Washington location and when we opened the watershed we actually had I think almost every member of the PD come in for a tour to see how everything comes in and we would have a lot of meetings with local PD One of the statements in your material is a path that will have security agents on site as needed according to operational needs and requirements talk a little bit more about what that means So during all open hours we'll have at least one security agent outdoors either walking a perimeter or checking ideas before customers through the front doors if it gets busier, if we have a certain time it's busier that we can see the data or on a high volume day like April 20 opening day we would have also agents in the parking lot What's a security agent? What's the person's qualifications? What's the job description? So far I can tell you that my favorite security agent that we have is actually former TSA she's great she scares me to death the friendliest of ways but we're looking at people that could hold their own, defend themselves if there's ever any kind of confrontation and have had some kind of security experience in the past Do they wear uniforms? Do they have a badge? They don't have a badge They're not a police badge No we have apotheca reflective vests and you could clearly tell they're security agents This has security on it? Yeah on the back and then the apotheca logo big winter jacket honestly it's great and one of the things I would like to offer to everyone here is if you want a personalized tour of Lynn so you can see how that's functioning even from a security perspective I have no problem doing that and also showing you our security features at our water state location Your material says the director of security or a designated ultimate will come to our regularly scheduled security checks of the facility How often will this take place? At least once every 30 days It would be helpful to have that noted That's actually by regulation So far it's either by myself or our director of security that's done those and then once a year we have to have an independent security company come in and do a full audit of everything That's also by regulations but our monthly security checks go over every single point of entry making sure all key card access is working properly making sure every camera is clear of debris and functioning perfectly and that we're recording at least 90 days worth of footage from every single camera and that it's insanely easily accessible The security audit that says goes to the commission Correct Have you talked to the Arlington police about giving them a copy of the security audit also? I believe so It's the Board of Health But I have no problem sharing that At least one of those places in the Board of Health at least is a copy of the security audit It's a very simple audit It just calls out every single security device that we have and whether it's functional or not I can tell you this year's audit of not only our Arlington facility but Lynn and our Fitchburg cultivation We had 100% The women's room and the men's room Is that for the public? Are they single occupancy? Have you given any thought to make them gender neutral instead of having one for women I have no issue with that That seems to be the way things are going in these days I just wondered You talk about giving employees subsidies for public transit Can you talk about what that is How you intend to How do you intend to How do you intend to make that a real incentive for them? I can tell you that for example some employees as we launched Recreational Lynn The badging system here is a little weird We have to badge every single one of our employees with CCC and it's done by location Because of the timing of when we opened Arlington Arlington badges are tied to Fitchburg or cultivation Some employees here wanted to go out and work in the cultivation to help us prep for the faster moving items One of the things we did for them was every single time that any of them volunteered to go We added $20 as a reimbursement to their next paycheck Here's an example of one place where I work This is how they subsidize and incentivize Everybody was entitled to a free bus pass MBTA bus pass monthly free If you wanted a common pass you would just pay the difference between the two So that was one way And I just wonder Other than saying if you have to go somewhere and give you $20 How do you make this a regular thing Some employees would say I'm going to take the bus because I get a free monthly bus pass I think that's exactly a great idea And that's something I have no problem with You had a nice page that showed lots of different trees It was not clear to me where the trees are going Which trees are going where Have you made that decision yet? I saw that with little green globs Talk about that some more We left it a little open Depending on the aesthetics, hopefully some conversations with the neighbors We provided a list of plants that are suitable for the area We'd like to be able to pick and choose from that list as far as The larger item here, that's a large deciduous tree There's a number of them Red maple, sugar maple Hickory They're all body trees in the salon We did try to keep them fairly open to allow us to confirm with the neighbors We'll see what my colleagues think but I think I'd be interested in seeing a more detailed plan with what's going We have to calibrate We could specify the plants The intent is to vegetate this as much as possible with some nice landscape trees Bicycle parking We just adopted the town meeting We just adopted the bicycle parking bylaw in the last session which we built basically As I read it, you're required to provide parking Minimum of two short-term spaces and minimum of two long-term spaces Long-term spaces are intended to be for employees Short-term spaces are intended to be for people who bicycle up to use or buy things whatever they're going to do at your facilities So I think for that you may need more on what your traffic management plan turns out to be But as I read the bylaw as a minimum you need two of each and the two for the employees are supposed to be inside or protected by the weather in some way So you can look at the bylaws and see what the requirements are and this now also the town also has a bicycle guide which will help with that We Haven't seen the comment come from the staff review and then Aaron you speak a little bit before the meeting I still have thunder there a little bit I apologize This area here I think we can fit two side-by-side racks to have four exterior and then we'll denote inside what we intend to allow two bicycle spaces for employees would be in the area It would just basically be a storage area full of it wouldn't be fancy like a full walk Yeah I think on that I think we can take a look at the guide that the town now has on what's required for indoor and outdoor bicycle park So traffic People talk a lot about traffic I don't want to say too much other than I think we do need to send this to someone else to take another look at it Maybe it should be the Federal Reserve Committee I just don't see a real correlation with the square footage of the facility and the amount of traffic that you're going to get for the facility and I thought it was a little odd that the traffic study was based on the square footage of the facility and not what are the facilities in the area the population demographics population density things like that so I have real and as you pointed out there's not a lot of data on this so I don't know where to go with that other than I think we need to have somebody else take a look at it I'm sort of a little unclear about what somebody does they drive up and they're like two or three cars waiting to get in to the parking lot and let's say all the spaces are full how do they know that where do they go next once they pull in if all the spaces are full they're going to be required to exit and then most likely that's first for on-street parking is the next logical step that's generally how when I'm in a semi-urban area looking for parking if I can get the free on-site parking I'm going for that first and then I'm going to meet in spots afterwards but the idea is to keep people moving and not go hearing I did see a comment about anti-idol and we will make sure we have signage depicted that states the anti-idol laws I would need to access in five minutes it's a 250 o'clock fine now but we'll reference the mass code so people are aware is it possible and I mention this because if you're driving up you don't know if the spaces are available or not is it possible to put something there so that if the spaces are full can it come in? During high volume we have someone stationed there to wait for people past the line just not let them in during the everyday usage it'd be very difficult to get parking sensors that would work accurately without extreme the best ones usually work by weight the ones that work off photo sensors they work great inside the garage but then once you're stuck in snow bags they show the spots full so the anticipation then is that the security agent when all the spaces are full will go up to all the very high high volume when there's multiple security agents on staff the idea would be one or two would be dedicated as parking lot attendants during high volume to keep the parking lot in control of them but otherwise just take care of your health there's a bunch of cold spots but you can see the spots well the snow is the next thing I wanted to mention so if snow would be removed as quickly as possible it's not going to be just piled up in a couple of the spaces it's going to be actually removed the idea is that during light snows we have a small area here and the other idea was was this kind of corner here for your hopping snow storm once you get any sort of heavily accumulated snow just like I hear of an area you'd have a contract with the landscape that would come in pile them onto a dump truck so you're not going to have it just piled up in the parking lot? no it's in our best interest to keep as many spaces clear as possible too for success last winter I had no issue thinking it was an easy winter but the few times that it was a lot of snow they were there that morning early does the police department at the water street facility now have a point of contact that they can call if there's a question etc they don't have the same thing they're a security contact correct they all have my phone number personally as well as our directive security okay you mentioned you're going to put hoods on the catch basins talk about that a little bit yes the existing catch basins look like they could use some maintenance we'll go in with the before opening the back of the truck clean out any accumulated sediment I did not see hoods what they are the gas traps so they're basically like a T and that way grease oil all floats on top and isn't even able to get out that would bring them to somewhat compliant catch basins standards that wasn't able to fully measure the sump but this would improve storm water quality as you're going to catch a hydrocopy any thought about putting in deep sump catch basins as long as you're there already doing things it was thought to it there's issues with who owns the catch basins one of them straddles the property line this is a state highway and if we could avoid dealing with mass highway on the drainage structures we would like to in all ways possible I think as long as you're going to be doing things with them if it's possible for you to create deep sump we can inquire but we don't want to get into a situation where we deal with mass highway I understand but if it's possible easily I think it would help to do that along with gas on a separate just I think that would be good we'll make our list of I'll call public works and see if they can help us you might also want to look into possibly a ledge there that's that's on that hill that's like all ledgy stuff so luckily the limited disturbance is no closer than the current one over there are some little landscape islands that come out so any ledge removal that we hit would be just 8-12 inches down to get sufficient gravel I was talking more about the deep catch basins you can you can still be quite deep sump catch basins by going to a to a wire mine or something it's all a line it's just 4 feet but we can go to 3-4 fixed up the capture area so the pseudo rain guard is going to reduce the amount of flow by quite a bit and that would improve on the less frequent stones TSS removal will be significant thank you go ahead great thanks just a couple questions for you that haven't been covered yet I'll start with the building itself so I notice that you're moving the entrance from the best to the street I don't see any details on the entry itself are you looking at swing doors sliding doors can you give me some more details okay great and just full glass or what what are the details so it's a it's glass but with metal framing okay and it has a locking mechanism that could be a lock or a click on a thing okay great I think it would just be good to have a couple details on your storefront modifications even if it's to match existing that would be helpful for us to see in terms of the signage I know that you are only permitted modest signage here can you give me those some details on what the sign actually is is it lit, what materials, colors sure so our logo is grey so it would be our logo on the bottom underneath it we're going with steel cut and it will be LED backlit but the backlight doesn't turn on until 30 minutes before before the night and it turns off once we close again if we could just have a few more sign details on the package for our grid that would be helpful the other thing is when you do remove this 50 printing sign which is up on the on the building you're going to need to be mindful of that facade and taking care of the coloration and other items we really want to make sure we fill the facade looks like they've been well cared for as opposed to just pulled up and even on the facade there's one piece that isn't actually concrete where they put an air intake as well as there's some wood that's kind of faded those would be thoroughly repaired it would be great to have some notation of that on the on the elevations um the next question I had just out of curiosity your business hours are those going to be similar to your limb location where it's every day 8 to 10 to 8 rather great super one question that hasn't been covered on those landscaping the small planting certainly you have directly behind the building kind of where that old teller window is you're right there just that thin strip behind there what's your intent of how to actually use that are you going to plant anything there are you going to do gravel ideally we'd go with some sort of decorative grass there's not a lot of room there for roots to grow decorative grass that's nice maybe some stone although we're talking about using that now for rain gardens that may engage some of that it might just be grassy soil instead of decorative just want to make sure again that doesn't just look like I've forgotten so the crosshatch I apologize is supposed to correspond with this area of ground plantings of various bulbs decorative grasses okay looking at your site plan and just knowing a couple of the issues the bigger issues that they've run into the Birkeland location both of them I think have to do with this we're parking lot and in my mind one of them is trash the intake slips that people get I just hear that a lot of the issues that the surrounding neighbors have really have to do with litter of people coming out of the facility so whether you're able to incorporate any kind of waste receptacle on the way out to the cars perhaps over by the where you have the equipment pad which is something to look into and then the other issue sorry, please go ahead again, based on the experience we've had it hasn't been an issue with Lynn and obviously we're looking at a parking lot multiple times a day to make sure it looks nice and clean we have not had we have not had any kind of litter issues there thankfully another, and this probably plays into the question of how often will your security guard actually be in the parking area as opposed to inside the building another issue that they've had a lot there is consumption within the cars and then the loitering once people have left the building so how will your security guard deal with those types of issues you finish your transaction, you're in your car getting them out and moving so first of all our security guard is never actually inside they're always outside if it's really really downpour then they'll be just on the inside of the door, worst case scenario but loitering is not allowed they have access to the cameras so if they're always watching they're parking lots no matter what and that's multiple people within the store that have that access if anyone's seen loitering we tell them to move if they don't comply or if anyone at all violates public consumption laws or appears to be high in driving that gets reported so you do have security cameras on the back we see everything perfect just on that last comment we see everything but we will not point it at neighbors properties one more on the parking lot we talked a little bit before about the difficulty so taking a drive behind the space this weekend as I was preparing for this that right turn is tough so I think your idea again of having a sensor and letting the pedestrians know that a car is exiting especially with the increased frequency is something that I think I'd be interested in you guys taking a look at for sure it's a tough intersection there another question I had is about deliveries and loading given again the expectation of the amount of traffic I would assume that those are going to be pretty high value spots right in front of the street parking right in front of your building as well so how are you planning on dealing with deliveries you mentioned that there was special trash pickup are those before hours during hours and how do those work it's completely randomized for security reasons I can't go into too many details but the route is taken the days delivered the times delivered are completely randomized and the best I could do on an hour you can't go into more details is it hasn't been an issue thus far ever can you okay it's a bad answer can you talk to where they drop are you planning on taking deliveries in front through the side entrance can you talk to that that will also be randomized sometimes it will be from the side entrance sometimes it will be directly from the front entrance again just we don't want I understand can you talk about whether these are vans versus trucks they are small so what we use is a small Nissan and the cargo van it kind of stays as small as we and it's insanely secure so there's three locks to get into the back the traditional trunk lock the secondary lock is put on the outside and then we open it up steel cages with a third lock there's also segregation from the drivers to the back with another steel cage the side door does not open it's built and shut there are cameras looking out from the inside I'm looking in from the doorway so the inventory is always under camera and there's a built-in GPS unit which tracks where it's going, speed and if there's any unscheduled stops which we need to report if I may just add a lot of stuff Joseph's bringing up is required through the CCC so the routes are randomized and logged through CCC any deviation from the route they have a few minutes to call or else those second cruises are looking for so my questions have to do with that but more to do with the safety within the parking lot if you have a van parts within the parking lot in terms of people coming in and out and then also trying to make sure we're not going to be having double parking if the spots in front again if you're randomized and you need to be moving around how are you going to ensure that if all the spots in the front are taken you're going to be able to make your drop off so those are more my questions how are you going to deal with the parking lot and maybe there's something again in your traffic in your traffic plan that you might want to so the store is alerted about 30 minutes to an hour before the van arrives so they take the locally they take the right precautions to make sure one spot is available at all times so your employees will physically go out and block off a parking spot assuming that they're able to catch one when it turns over and depending on the day it might be one of our own spots or it could be one of the street parking spots and I'm assuming that that's something again if you're going to be regularly blocking off parking to speak with and coordinate with your employees to make sure it caught everything I think that's it any other questions from members of the board before I turn it over to the public I'm assuming that you're probably going to need to return back because we have a couple other questions just take another look at the lead checklist that you use the existing buildings is really not the right checklist for this group it should be either the commercial interior or a lead for retail that was really meant for larger buildings that building managers take a look at so if you could do that that would be great thank you alright thank you all for your patience I'm sure many of you that want to speak I did have beginning at north there's a sign-in sheet so I'm just going to run down the sign-in sheet if you sign in in error pass I'm not going to play any favorites or any preferences here tonight I will ask you to come forward use the microphone state your name and address and we will begin so first on this is Laura Larkin Josephine Burton so um so name and address please I heard you said your name but just for the record yes I'm Josephine Burton my address is Stephanie Von Paul Riviera Road on the the house one of the neighbors right here behind first of all I would like to thank the panel you I feel like you address a lot a lot of the questions I had that I didn't think of but one of the main questions talking about trees adding to the landscape um one of my big concern is right now whoever owns this property they put a fence and they did not do a good job first of all they never told us when they were going to remove the fence they just showed up in our lawn one day pulled out yes the fence out and they said they were going to replace it it took a while because this happened I think around this time and then the ground got frozen so okay I understand the ground is frozen and so forth excuse me they came to place the fence and they said it's going to be a space so they never whoever decided to put the fence in whatever company it's going to be a space okay sure no the space is quite high like this so one of my concerns now is like alright if this passes through what's going to happen you know is to Swifty printer who are very quiet neighbors so that's one of my main concerns and also lighting so I'm going to disturb my sorry I have a tickle in my throat disturb my bedroom just where my bedroom ends my bedroom so that's another of my concerns but that I can think of and then again when they start building the noise and so forth okay I think there's water can we ask them to address the lighting in the parking lot yes it doesn't go over into the neighbors and also tell us a little bit more I know we asked for a fleshed out landscaping plan and what you'll be doing if anything with the fence that's there I'll address the lighting first because that's the easiest one that I can answer very often as far as lighting effects on the budding properties that was the skull over that we talked about crossing the property line you're talking about the 10th of a candle foot which is equivalent if you lit a candle it's the 10 feet away from it it's the same amount of light so it's very very little lights go over and these lights shut off as a half hour after you close or so basically after employees leave the lights are off all the exterior cameras are night vision cameras so about 30 minutes after everyone leaves is the time is set so 8.30 at night they'll all be off and they're all dark sky compliant which means that you can't see the actual physical element of the light so when you look at it you'll see the light emitted but you won't be able to see kind of like the saline lights here and that they're up lit and you can't see from down below very similar I don't mind seeing the element for today it's just that it's going to shine in so I think these are all down they all face the part correctly so full cut off full cut off dark sky full cut off the light space like this there are shields that go around all three sides because these are building mounted lights on your side so those shields basically force that light more downward than in the spread and like I said the spill over at the property line and this is assuming the level of round you're much higher as the tent of a candle foot a candle from a distance of 10 feet is approximately the same it's not a spotlight as far as the fence as I said we did want to talk to some of the barters and get some plenty of references I think this is a good time I could provide you with business cards but I don't mind reaching out we could discuss possibly repairing the fence so if you're proving how it was installed it's an additional buffer ways to get things to assist in your situation I might look fine I might look fine from the Swifty parking lot but it looks awful from my side why don't you have a conversation with this gentleman after the meeting's over I think they'll be receptive to what you have to say Chris Loretty could you come back to me I'm just going in order I didn't sign up I signed up because I was here do you want to speak now or do you want to speak I've called your name I'm not going to play favorites I've called your name I'm going in order I didn't sign up thank you Chris Loretty for this I'd like to address this question of giving up a parking space for one tenant to another tenant if indeed that bank needs parking space I've never heard of a tenant being able to say that zoning bylaw doesn't apply and there is no one who already required parking for that to use if there is a required parking space for that ATM machine it's required and nobody else is in the business suggesting that it's not required so I think that's something that the board needs to look into I'm not saying it is required I don't know but certainly if it is and this use doesn't get to use that parking space for themselves my next comment pertains to the parking situation I appreciate that it's been brought up the issue of loading and unloading and I think in this parking parking plan there needs to be some explicit discussion about how there will be no double parking on that stamp it's a very busy place this is a business that primarily cash business there are going to be armored trucks coming in and out typically those things are double parking in the street I think there needs to be some explicit consideration of preventing that in whatever plan is done I don't even know regarding the cuing there's a story published in the online edition of the Boston Globe tonight I'm not sure it's been a paper edition yet but there is a long article being submitted in Brookline to require the marijuana facility there to operate on an appointment basis only obviously it's not something that's already populated by the operators or the shop which is the open I think that's something the board might want to consider and it's not actually imposed and it leads right into the special permit that we have the power to require appointment only should problems arise once the facility opens my next comment pertains to the open space and I'm turning attention to the application that the the applicant submitted I first looked at this it looked like there was a requirement of 20% open space and they're only providing a quick and a half percent open space and therefore non-compliant but I looked at it and I realized that's not correct, they're actually lower compliant and this gets back to what we requested I made to your board several months ago to put that clarification back in the zoning bylaw where it belongs and that is that the open space requirement is based on not a lot or they calculated based on a lot or incorrectly and that's why it looks like it's non-compliant and in fact it is. I realized the form itself says GFA but it doesn't explain that and it really should be in bylaw Finally, I also wanted to I appreciate that someone mentioned the buffer area behind the parking lot and also the fence the bylaw explicitly specifies that the neighbors can discuss with the developer or in this case the applicant what the nature of that fence is and whether the five to six fee is bylaw or bylaw or something different I think you might want to formalize that more broadly than just with the one person who should opt for trying to breathe or someone brought the owners behind the structure that they want to evolve in that conversation as well but I also encourage you to to facilitate that on the current so I think that's it. Thank you Thank you. Timothy Castle Linda Langton Linda Langton 78 Paul Beard here, Robert I basically just want to thank the board for discussing the parking issue and the traffic issue and ask that to be another study that the Paul Beard neighbors be notified or at least have access to that study one of the things I've noticed is that if I let's say I'm on my Saturday morning errands and I want to start with citizens bank so I might drive there I know I can walk but let's say I want to go elsewhere so I'll drive to citizens bank and NASA is backed up practically to the Trader Joe's parking lot so what I do is I go to my citizens bank and instead of staying on the MSF I'll turn around and I go up over here and I think what a lot of us are concerned about is that's exactly what's going to happen our Paul Beard is going to be the cutoff so I don't know what scope this traffic study can encompass but if Paul Beard could be included somehow we as neighbors have met and said even if there's a one-way like they do on Lake Street or off Lake Street put one-way hours or something like that just because I think first of all traffic time and people are trying to get to work and we're going to have high volume anyway because we are a cutoff and I'm just concerned do we really know how this is going to impact the traffic of Paul Beard so it's a personal thing for us I have a question when during the day is there that long traffic back up and tend to be morning, afternoon, evening for me morning rush hour and even then so it's rush hour let's say Monday through Friday it's more pronounced in the morning when I drive by later on in the day it's backed up a little bit from Park Avenue but not nearly back to the Trader Joe's yeah I think it would be rush hour too but I would say the morning is happier but they're both so I think with respect to morning rush hour they won't be open until 10 o'clock I would certainly share your concern with evening rush hour since they're open until 8 on the other end particularly on weekends I spent a lot of time stuck in traffic on Mass Ave myself and mostly I think it's because of the light at Mass Ave at Park Ave but I think we can ask the transportation advisory committee to weigh in on that and propose some potential solutions and also Saturday morning just shopping I think Saturday morning is when you've got people trying to get to Trader Joe's or the banks or whatever so Saturday morning seems to be a time too I think the other thing again more generally than anything else is the fact that some of us don't have a driveway and what we're concerned about as Jo said if people circle Mass Ave on parking they're going to look for non-meter parking and Palo Ver is one of the more convenient you can come up park and you can turn on Palo Ver now one thing I won't know this is not the time or place but I think we need more no parking sites on the side of the road that's headed west toward Lexington is that people are going to be parking or again I don't know but what we're concerned about is that people are going to be parking on Palo Ver and I know for a fact some of our neighbors come home from work at 6 6.30 and they have their parking place in front of the house everybody kind of knows that we all respect that well that's something that we're not going to be able to control now I think I'm just the benefit of me and my neighbors I do want to thank everybody for all your information thank you I think one of the things we'd like to see as part of transportation management plan is how you control where people park in the neighborhood on Palo Ver specifically but throughout keeping as best you can within your power of understanding that identifying alternate parking sites that aren't effective people who live right behind your facility is good if you haven't any opportunity to do a co-parking arrangement with either the building immediately to the right where Boucher, Masada, and VR that parking lot is frequently not full I don't know if you've had a chance to talk with the landlord there and see about some sharing arrangement but I don't know it's not going to happen we're okay worth the conversation I just want to add that the thing that they can definitely control is to tell their employees who are driving not to park and pull a review around so I'm not sure where they're going to park but they need to park in places that are sensitive to residents well there's even more that we could do we could actually have an acknowledgement form for all new customers that they could acknowledge please don't park over here and any other things that's important to the neighborhood and it's something we could also post on our website a lot of people google us first and they actually go into our website and we launch them in our traffic that first day I think was like 6,000 visitors and we very clearly outlined what we're doing about parking and what we would obviously do here and any restrictions like this would last on our website and through our newsletter when we announce the opening employees because they would that goes without saying employees will definitely know that okay thank you Keith Stemley I apologize I put your name Hi Keith Stemley I'm a member of the tree committee which is actually my question I didn't prepare for this but I noticed that you do have a planting plan and you are curious about what you were going to put there it wasn't entirely clear there is a tree warden and there are some preferred plantings so there might be references other groups in town too I think there's a garden committee as well if you want to get in touch with those folks I agree because it'll suggest what you might want to plant there if possible can you give us your contact information yeah I think the tree committee is a good resource they have a lot of good volunteers there it's the tree warden and conservation commission you can all sort of point you in the right direction and last name on my list is William Rockwood that's me thank you thank you I guess my first question is do you need an address please oh yes my name is Bill Rockwood I live in 71 Paul Reger Road I'm the lower unit and I guess my first question is can you do something about the rats that are living in under the juniper bushes in the back of that parking lot so part of the landscaping plan was ripping out the existing landscaping and landscaping it with new clean looking landscaping I prefer to use like a river rock or a wash stone as a base in the food industry that helps to stop the rats from inhabiting the area they don't like to borrow in the stone I would assume that if there's a rat problem we would put out traps and hire a company to remove that we do sell a or apotheca does sell a food product in edibles we don't want any rat infestation out there so if there is a rat problem out there currently there will not be one if there is you're going to be shocked so like I said totally won't be responsible for that removing those low-lying junipers however with this new information I think we would contact the pest control company first try and trap and dispose of any rodents that are out there before we disturb them to minimize impacts with the neighbors I think thought it would be more than willing to coordinate that with the neighbors as well so we know what's going on in the neighborhood if there's complaints we can get the pest control to expand there that's good I appreciate that because dealing with the landlord directly is unpleasant at best so thank you for that right let's see here I guess I wanted to reiterate the I'm worried about the impact of power veer and I wish the traffic study could take into into account what the increased traffic is going to be a power veer road because there's an existing problem and I can only imagine that this increased traffic is going to make a force and you're going to do a study please look at the impact of power veer and I don't this is not probably the proper form for it but I guess better traffic enforcement on power veer mitigate a lot of these problems you've probably got some juice with the cops that I don't have so you could have a word with them that would make us a lot more comfortable with you being there thank you thank you very much there's anyone else who wants to speak that I haven't called on and maybe is still missed I'll leave it to my colleagues to comment but just based on what we're hearing now I think what we'd like to do most likely continue to hearing I think the next bill date we have is December if you're doing a traffic study and consulting with many other parties probably December 16th or January I think January would be preferable to us but December 16th would be fine if you think you're ready to go then it's either December 2nd or December 16th so what I have here is we need more detailed parking plan traffic management plan transportation management plan bike parking need to see a more descriptive lighting plan especially with respect to the parking lot in the back and what people work on as far as the mass out sidewalk lighting and controls fleshed out landscape plan with a discussion with some of the other stakeholders in town about how that goes and I strongly encourage you to have a conversation with the folks here who came to speak this evening I really appreciate all of you weighing in and bringing in some good ideas especially about the fence, the trees and how I know you're not doing construction here so we don't have that concern to worry about with impact on the neighbors but certainly with how your landscaping changes particularly with the gentleman on the front here said about the vermin and having the parking lot I know you'll take care of that I'm also going to recommend the traffic study you provided you referred to the transportation advisory committee that they weigh in and give us an opinion on that as well as considering the impact of this use on Paul Revere Road and the intersection at Mass Ave and Park Ave and their opinion is to the impact of on-street parking and the burden on that and again we have time we do have some additional business to attend to but once we set you free there's plenty of space on this building that you should work with we have a couple other things I want to make sure that we see the next little more detail on the building facade modifications and the signage would be great as well I'm going to revise the checklist stone management stone water management stone water management I'm going to park a lot and I think we want to I just wanted to ask you a question is it okay if we reach out to the transportation advisory council on sales to the excellent Jenny will coordinate that just because I think that's going to be the biggest task that we have Jenny will coordinate that with the members of the tax and make sure that that conversation is had quickly and productively Thank you very much Do you have anything else? So in addition to those things actually I'd like to refer your security plan to the Arlington Police Department and I'd actually like them to make recommendations in terms of the level of police details that are required for the site and how you might manage that lot and how they might also address the issues that I also have observed on Power Bear Road even though I don't live there I've certainly gone by there at various times of day when I think you will have peak demand based on locations where I'm aware of there being peak demand beyond just the time that you noted in your study so I'd really like the police department to be able to confirm that demand and also make some recommendations about how to control some of the traffic issues not just existing but projected ones I'd also like to add to that how they might your proposal in terms of police detail for that first sort of exciting month if you will and the dates that might be exciting to people who tend to go to the facility I don't think that that's going to be enough and I think that you're going to have to use some combination of both the Arlington Police Department as well as your own security in order to manage the demand The reality is that this is going to be the first facility open west western suburb and in location to in relationship to locations that don't have will not have any permanent marijuana facilities so there will be a demand that I don't think you're accounting for which I think we've covered pretty clearly this evening so I think the Arlington Police Department is actually pretty key in this and picking up off of where you have been very successful in your current location it's very different the location that you're proposing to go to and I think that respecting the neighborhood and respecting particularly the butters on Palmerview Road is really important and then lastly the Board of Health I think starting the conversations with the Board of Health to address some of the issues that we've already heard this evening I think it's more appropriate for them to help to address some of those issues I realize that's a separate licensing process but it leads to get their input on those things particularly rats and then the other trash noise, lighting we heard a lot of things like that those are all nuisances that they can have to advise upon and then lastly we talked about a lot of things that relate to traffic, engineering trees that's all under the DPW so I'd like to also reach out to my colleagues at the DPW to review any of your existing plans and on the updated ones and then I have a bunch of other little notes that I think that we can follow up on that came from this discussion as well as the comments from the public so we will summarize this in email to you tomorrow and follow up from that thank you thank you gentlemen any other comments from the Board we'll see them next month so I think what I'd like to do is move that this hearing be continued to December 2016 in this room it's in the auditorium it's on the auditorium so motioned all in favor thank you all thank you to everyone from the public who came on I appreciate it so we do have one more item this evening which is open forums or if there's anyone in the audience who wishes to speak to anything else other than our one discussion if you wish go ahead call on me now Mr. Loretta thank you Mr. Truman you want me to use that or no you can pass it on I came to you about four months ago with really festive changes to the zoning bylaw in its time meeting but I'd like to get a sense of that because the time meeting warrant is opening shortly and if you're not willing to do anything with it consider it and I want to know what my other options are so actually I don't have a copy of that I know that you handed a copy to one of us that evening could you provide to me with a copy and then really get to that we actually I am planning to have a conversation about warrant articles with some of them will be on December 2nd at their next meeting and then depending upon December 16th is getting a little crowded at the moment so it will probably be the first meeting in January where we'll talk about other warrant articles there's not anything big coming from this board because that's all being talked about for fall special time meeting so anything that this board will be discussing will be a little bit on December 2nd will be probably in early January at this point if you could just provide to me distribute it to the entire board thank you anything else to discuss questions, comments, concerns alright it's being done we'll take a motion to adjourn motion to adjourn second all in favor bye bye