 Hey guys, Alex here from alexfigures.com now if you've ever wanted to know how I use my infrared sauna and my red light therapy Panels whether I use them at the on the same day separate days morning night back-to-back Then this video is for you So I get a lot of questions on this topic so stay tuned and I'm gonna share some insights Okay, so beside me here. I have my mito red light mito pro 1500 I'm using this at the moment because I want to test it out for a full review that I'll be publishing on my channel soon So be sure to subscribe for that and on the other side. I have the Evolve mini from Sunstream Saunas This is my go-to very compact very powerful infrared sauna that I have here in my home Now if you are one of the many that have asked sent through emails asking me Can you use them back-to-back? Can you use one before the other and vice versa? How long should you how long should I be using a sauna or a red light therapy then? Unfortunately, I don't have any gold standard answer the reason behind that is the science is so vague There's articles coming out showing that a certain time period for this treatment But then something completely opposite to that for another treatment and the problem with a lot of those papers For instance, as they are looking at spot targeted treatment not full body You've got variables such as power intensity Irradiance so all these panels for instance have different power levels So the moderate might be more powerful than a competitor's product or the other way around then you've got things such as Treatment area how big is the panel beam angle and the LEDs how close you are to the panel Whether you have two of them side by side whether you're doing this Front and back or just one place. There's so many variables, right? So there's no hard and fast rule as in 10 minutes with this panel at this distance I even know a lot of the Manufacturers will say that you know the box use it for x period and I know some companies even have apps where you can put in You know your dosage times and your distance and all that but in all honesty, I think it's too It's too messy. There's no hard and fast rule The main thing with red light therapy is just to experiment just use it a couple times a week and see how you feel For me personally when I in my pre dead days before I was a parent I was doing it probably about five times a week anything from 10 minutes to 20 minutes And I'll typically have two or three of these panels one on on a wall or on the back of the door here And then another one on on on the side so I'd have two two faces You know my front face at my side then I'll turn around and do the same on the other side I was doing that about five times a week Monday through to Friday in the hindsight It was probably a little bit too much now that I don't have as much free time and my routines are quite disrupted being a parent that I'm only doing it maybe about three times a week and it's anything from And when I say three times, I mean three body sessions a week And I'll get to what I mean about that soon and it's anything from two sessions a week right up to me before at max I think there was one week where I did five or six and that was because my body was had taken a beating from Training and sun and a few other things going on so typically now it's it's a couple times a week and it's anything from Yeah, sometimes it's only five minutes because that's all I get but if I can I will do a full 20 minute session and again my setup Not this current setup right here, but the regular setup I use I have a couple of panels in front of me and a couple on the side and again That's where I'm doing rotating around and I'll do about 10 15 minutes in that setup sometimes 20 minutes So that's what I typically do and I still get the benefits I still see the benefits. I've even gone weeks where I've only done one session a week and You know, I know if I drop below that I start to feel some aches and pains come back Especially with the the tooth like that's the main if you watch my other videos. That's the main Indicator for me the pain threshold that comes back. So the red light therapy. I'm doing a couple times a week Usually in the evening I used to do in the morning, but mornings are crazy these days with my little boy So it's usually in the evening. It hasn't impacted my sleep. I know some people would impact their sleep And it's it's whatever I can do five minutes to 20 minutes And that's what works for me If you want a structured plan, then you might say Monday Wednesday Friday and the weekend if you've done something Physically demanding and you might do 10 15 20 minutes again It depends though on what panel you have if you have something like this might have probably 1500 quite a powerful unit quite large a lot of LEDs You get a big treatment area if you can only afford a little unit, then you might want to do 20 30 minutes I didn't mention as well that we're talking about real life therapy. I'm talking about the full body panel setups I do have a lot of handheld units now. I've got one In front of me I've just finished reviewing a lot of these and doing a big comparison So be sure to subscribe for those videos So I'll use those to treat student areas like if I've slipped over on the farm and sprained my wrist I'll be smashing a session on there sometimes two three times a day just five minutes session So again, it really does vary. There is no right or wrong Even though people say there is I do worry that you can't overdo it I'm just like anything in life or in health. So I that's why I'm doing a little bit less As for the sauna now, I love the sauna. I mean, yes, there's the health benefits But there's also just that like into the day like sit in a box and sweat for a 20 30 minutes Have a cold shower and you feel a million bucks like there's something about that as well. Um, I Do sauna is less than I do read like therapy And that's just simply because the time involved like you really need what I need about 25 minutes at least And one of these so on is to get a real good sweat and a real good stress effect And then you've got to clean up and all that as well. So you've got the shower afterwards takes you 20 minutes to cool down from the sauna You know, so it's it's like a 40 minute block even up to an hour block Whereas red light therapy, you can just turn it on away you go and five minutes later You've you've had a good therapeutic dose so to speak so sometimes with the saunas. I'm doing three or four a week Sometimes I might be one or two weeks before I can do a sauna session and guess just life But if I averaged it out, I'd be doing say three of these a week big body sessions and maybe one or two of these a week Let's talk about what the sign shows and then I'll talk about what I do so one thing I know for certain you don't want the red light therapy inside the sauna or Shining through the glass for instance. I have covered that in Some other content. I think it was my buyers guide or maybe it was an article on my website We'll put some links below so you can check that out If you have moisture on the body such as sweat or water the red light therapy isn't going to be as effective because it's got to penetrate That light so that's one reason excuse me You don't want to use them together second reason is the heat component If the body is quite heated then red light therapy may not be as effective. In fact, it may be Opposite like it may actually do more damage. I do know that there are some thoughts out there with some scientific backing that Some near infrared wavelengths and mid infrared wavelengths combined with heat exposure can in fact be damaging So that's why I like the Sunstream Saunas because they only use fire infrared light whereas red light therapy The panels that were I'm referring to here use near infrared light in them as well the 850 nanometers, but again, it's it's very messy to compare Red light therapy units and some of the science coming out because the wavelength is so different like near infrared. It's quite a wide range But anyway because of that though, I just I just don't combine the two. It's just easier to have them separated There's also the safety issue like having electronic electronics near, you know, sweat and drinking water and whatnot So what do I do? Well, typically there's three different Methods that I use if the number one is I'm just doing red light Maybe it's late in the day or I don't have time for the sauna or I don't feel like a sauna or just do a red light session That's it with two is The opposite where I'm just doing infrared sauna. Maybe I've done a couple rounds of red light therapy And I just want to have a sauna. Yeah, simple method three I actually combine the both in the one treatment protocol now I was just saying you shouldn't do this but but let me explain When you come in and turn on a sauna, it will typically and for it's on it It will take anything from 10 minutes through to 30 40 minutes for some of the largest ones The reason why I go to this evolve many all the time is because it only takes about 10 15 minutes to get up to a really hot temperature, which is which is great and you can check out my four of you on the sauna I'll put some links below. So what I do is I come in I'll turn on the sauna I'll be already for my session. I have my water in my book and whatnot. I'll turn that on and now while that's heating up I will come and turn my Relate panel on and then I'll do my 10 15 minutes however long I need Before I get in there. The reason is I do this before I've got sweat on me Before the body temperature is raised and this does also act as a nice little primer You are getting a little bit of a heat effect from the red light panel, of course It's nothing like the sauna which go into there. So that's how I Sometimes do it not all the time, but that's how I will sometimes it so for instance If I am doing the dishes and I come and turn the sauna on and I got to go finish the dishes I won't have time to do this I'll come straight into the sauna, but then like the next day or the next morning I might do my red light therapy session if you're wondering whether I get out and dry myself off And do a session here. No, I don't do that I'll only ever use this before the roots on it. I never after or never during Again, I've sort of touched on those points as to why not saying this is the best way and it's what you should be doing This is just what I do and it seems to work well for me Hey, so just an update I ran this video past my team here at AlexFigures.com and I said hey just in through your comments and criticisms And I got some really interesting feedback and I wanted to I've taken on board and I wanted to share that with you guys Before this video went out to the world So so the first thing was in regards to red light and the infrared light penetration on the body on a on a sweaty Skin surface. So for instance, I said I don't use my red light therapy Panels when I'm in my never it's on it because of the sweat and the light isn't going to be pen it Isn't going to be absorbed that well and on the body or penetrate the body for instance But I was showing some data to suggest the the opposite of that and it was data looking at Never freed light and an invisible light penetration and salt water, you know So obviously it's water, but it's water that's got minerals in it as well and sure it wasn't 100% but it was still the levels are still very very high and that was going down quite a depth now Sweat on the skin. It's not necessarily everywhere. It might just be patches and of course it might only be one or two mils Millimeters thick so that was quite interesting and I know some other people have have always said that hey, no that that's That's something you don't need to worry about and you could use it In the in the sauna. I know people have even talked about using Red light therapies on the outside of of a shower I know there's a whole issue there with the electrical issues and safety and whatnot But you know, so that was um, it was something that I did want to say to you guys What does that change? I mean it means that yes, you could have this on The glass panel of a sauna and use your red light therapy while you're sitting in there You could even sit it inside again be careful with the electrical issues and whatnot and And you should begin to benefit are there are the other Biological contradictions perhaps. I don't know at this point. I don't know but that's the first thing The second thing I want to talk about is with my sauna choice how typically I don't I Go with more of the fire free and I stay away from the mid and even near for it So on is because I'm getting my near for read or some near for read for my red light therapy panel Sorry, it's just out of screen here out of you I've got my panel hanging up on this door and and I said, you know, they have been some Safety issues with exposure to some near infrared rays Turns out a lot of the downsides of that the the safety issues are due to high levels of near infrared And for pro pro long time So maybe it's not as a big of an issue as I expected still though I kind of like Using my fire for it sauna for the fire for red light and the sweat effect and the heat and then keeping the near infrared At certain wavelengths in the panel. So that's just me So I guess if you're left sitting thinking, all right, well, what does this mean? What should I change? Well, I mean for me, what am I going to do differently? Probably nothing Maybe in the biggest saunas. I might look at putting a red light therapy panel on the outside of the glass or even sitting Inside but that means I got to wire it in and I'm also a little bit nervous about you know moisture and the panels and electricity and all that So I probably will keep my routine exactly the same. I will to my sauna run while that's heating up do red light therapy Otherwise some days I do red light therapy some days I just saw on it and just try not to over complicate it But if you're wondering what you can do, I mean, hey, it's entirely up to you Like the science science is never settled again You're gonna find one thing that says this and then another thing that will show the opposite and I can get a little bit messy so at the end of the day be a biohacker and Experiment test see how you find a see how you feel maybe you do red light therapy in the morning for a week And your sauna's in the evening. Use your bio strip by a strap your aura Any other wearable you're using see what happens to HIV and sleep see how you feel see others aches and pains I'll see how your gym performance is and then once you've got that data try something different Combine the two put the infrared on the glass door or inside And do them at the same time and again see what happens. I mean, that's the beauty of experimentation But yeah, if you have any feedback or comments or views on this and you have some interesting studies or articles or you're in the space of Relate therapy so on is and you know a bit about the But the the changes that are happening within the body when exposed to these light waves Yeah, leave the comments below because I'd love to hear them and I'm sure others viewing this would as well All right guys, so I just wanted to add that on so I'm sorry if I have confused you But I wanted to put it out there before I posted that other video