 All right, so hey, I'm Collie from Talk of the Town and today we have Jungle Top from Who's Outside and we're gonna just talk hip hop. So tell the people a little bit about Who's Outside and what you guys do and things like that. Okay, so Who's Outside is a interview podcast and a promotion platform for artists. I'm somebody who's been in the game doing, helping artists promote and work and gain notoriety, going to whatever next level that they wanna go to for like last 10 years, started with a company called Jungle State where I did national collegiate music competitions, had artists battling, had Joe Budden host the first like big national collegiate music competition with C. Hall vs. Rutgers. And then I just been working around so then probably about 2019, 2020, we started to write like a show up. The original show was called The School Card but it was too like, I'm a nerd, it was too numbery, we tossed that out. And we wrote up Who's Outside because the premise of Who's Outside was me noticing all the artists that I've ever worked with, all the people that I've ever successful people I've met. When you hear the key to their stories, nine times the 10 is that they just woke up the next day and kept going. They just kept working, kept being outside, just kept putting that foot forward. Some people wouldn't even, don't even know exactly what they're gonna do or what they're doing, but they put, they wake up and they saying, I'm gonna put my best foot forward. So those are usually the people who change this world and whatever way you wanna say positive or negative. So Who's Outside to me is, I wanted to set up a podcast and an interview platform to talk to all the people, big or small, who shape and change this earth, whether it be in music, health, whatever. And it has got to take a while. So you're not like strictly music, you tap into everyone that's like this. Right, right, so like I've done, yeah, so we did like a LMAO pod tape and our first podcast is the coin phrase I think pod tape where I just dropped a collection like my own little mixtape or interviews we did. And we dropped like the LMAO pod tape with like comedians like Rudy Rush and Trav Q, et cetera. And where I talked to them and they talked about their position to how they got to where they're at and how they feel about the comic gaming and how it's changed from social media and how the new stars are versus the old gen. A lot of my show too is a lot, it may seem like old gen versus new gen conversations. Thank you. But the reason why I like to talk and aim it, even direct it like that is to so they can see people who are working in grinding need to see what the people who got their thought process were. Cause everything is gonna change. That makes sense. But the thought process to success stays the same. So if you hear this person like, okay, well he did get up every day. Yeah, cause if you watch a lot of interviews they highlight a lot of things that artists say from years ago that's still relevant now. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. And when it comes to also the who's outside section of the interviews, the reason why I like to talk to a lot of the up and coming rappers is when you never know, that's the one thing about hip hop. We never know who's gonna be who. We don't know who's gonna be a mega star tomorrow. And I like to talk to, all of these guys said they're all important because I think talking to them at their amateur stage before they become this mega giant and their mind changes and shapes to being a millionaire and being a new platinum artist, et cetera. Hearing how they think at a raw function and getting that interview footage and seeing how their brain transitions after is a big thing to be able to see so we can all glimpse to see. See the growth in the artist. Yeah, and these are like little paths to being able to get on. It's really, I think that there's no pamphlet to getting on and getting high or doing anything successful, but there's tips and hints. Yeah, there's no plan. Yeah, and I think that's what we could do here, like that's my goal. So, how do you feel about the music scene overall right now? Music scene overall in general. In New York City, let's say, in the Tri-State. New York City music scene overall. I am, anybody who knows me, I live in North Carolina. I travel up and down the coast all the time. Anybody knows me, I talk shit about New York being number one right now all day because I think we worked hard. I think there was a long time when the South had their run and I was in the South and everybody was talking trash and the Migos and everybody, these guys just had a wave of energy and they were like, yeah, Atlanta, this is how you take over the game. And then the change functions after Chicago has their run. And I just feel like New York, our time is now. The ball has come back and I love, shh, man, the whole drill scene. My favorite artist is like Fabio. Favorite artist? Some of my favorite in the New York City drill scene. We don't get into that. We don't get into who's the favorite and all that stuff. So do you feel like when they say, oh, New Yorkers stole it from Chicago? Like, what do you think about that? Okay, so I think waves, I think music and everything is, if you understand it just like fashion, everybody kind of came up with a style from somebody else. And I think that people have argued that the right and the wrong is, but my belief is that Chicago and their rap style came from actually the same, if you, Tom, when Philly was rapping in the YouTube era and Philly Reed Dollars and all these guys were rapping in the camera and they had this kind of aggressive style in the camera. Go fast forward, go to the Chicago drill scene with Joe Jones and they put it on wax. I think it's the same kind of Philly roll style and Philly guys got that from the smack, which ever joined us from New York. So if you asked me, the Chicago drill scene kind of originates from a New York mini school of drill. So I think it's all just full circle. So no, I don't think, I think it's a different form and I don't think it's copy and I think it's a different form of drill and same reality that we all been talking. Yeah. Yeah. I get what you're saying. You think, I mean, yeah, I don't think, I don't think. I mean, I don't feel like it's copy and I feel like we definitely added our own source to it. Yeah. I don't know like where the influence started. I wasn't sitting here and say like, yo, I didn't see the Philly people doing it. I definitely started seeing when Chicago was doing it. Yeah. Man, I think it's important to say Chicago, not Chicago created a very, very important music scene to themselves and that helped a lot of their artists get to where they are today. And I don't take anything from that because I think it was a sub genre that hadn't been created. I take nothing from Chicago. I think they're the originators of a drill sound that's heard today. They're the originators? I think you can say that they are the originators of the coin sound of drill. Yeah, on wax drill, whatever we term of drill. Yeah, you can say that they're the original on wax drillers high intensity beat, rapping about a certain beef caliber in a dish form. Yeah, definitely. I don't think it was purposely. I think there was literally just wrapping like their circumstances and stuff like that. I don't think it was like intentional. If that makes sense. Well, what about, I agree. No, I agree. I'm not, I don't think that, I know, I don't think they were young kids. I don't think that they woke up. It's intentional. Artists wake up like, yo, I'm gonna be a drill artist. I felt out there. It was more so a lifestyle. Cause it hadn't been created yet. But I feel like that was already living it and they're just wrapping their truth. Whereas to here, it's more so of a trend. I mean, I'm not gonna say it's trending for everyone, but I think that a lot of people that are. Okay, so here's my thing. Here's our drill artist because it's trending. Cause I have a lot of artists. They drill hard, but here's my thing though. Well, they start drill. They start drill. Well, here's my thing though. When you say that though, when a drill artist and drill scene, right? Drill scene has to make up a body of people, right? It's not gonna be just one in two people that make up a scene. But once one scene, once one or two people go, everyone else follows suit. That's how the scene comes out. First it was one person, then it became a group. And also too, can we talk about it too, is style of music. If an artist decides to say they're gonna make a, decide like a style of drill rap, they've already, I think that right there is conscious enough to be able to say that that's its own music. Cause if they want to be, make Bible music, religious music. What would be Bible music? Religious music. They're all weak. Religious music. If they wanted to make, if they wanted to make music about anything else. They would have to find some religious artist, right? And try to see how it even started before they jump into that lane, right? But you gotta do research first, right? That's all I'm saying. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. Are you saying that there's influence? The reason these artists, cause you're trying to, are you saying that these artists are waking up saying that I'm gonna make a drill sound and rap? Even though, cause they're influenced by the music only and not the lifestyle? Yeah. For New Yorkers, for a show up. Well you, huh? I feel like it's happening, huh? You like it? Yeah, I'm about to say like, when you interviewing, I don't know what you're talking about. But nah, but what I'm saying is, you interview people just like me, right? When you hear people's songs, and then you meet them, ain't it a whole different vibe? Yeah. Okay, so, and then when you say, oh how long you gonna do the drill shit? They be like, I don't wanna do this, it's just hot right now, but I'm not just stepping to this, right? Yeah. Oh, yeah, that's all okay. Drill is a style of music that can be done, like correct me if I'm wrong, right? Don't some artists come out, rapping aggressively, and then they turn into like autotune music, right? When they try to go like pop mainstream, they start to do different versions from broader audience, right? Yeah. Like artists change to get broader audience for broader markets. Everybody knows that drill market isn't that big. It's obvious. You can't, you're not gonna, it's gonna be hard to really... Can't be a mega drill star. You're not gonna be, or... So, anybody thinking that? You can't. A mega drill star? Whoa, I mean. You can't hold, name them. But what do you, what's a mega drill star? Drake. Who could be a Drake doing drill? Nobody. It's so early though, because who knows what pop smoke career could have been? Who knows who it's so early. So, it's who it is though? It's so early. Pop smoke right there. Pop smoke, rest in peace. What's gonna make that market feel like? He was, he was... Who is breaking the doors now? Again, we agree that you, I know we... He was breaking the doors now, I agree. And there's not too many of them who, we would say who have that same market ability, but pop smoke, if there is one to have it, what pop smoke was able to show is that you, that it could get to a big audience. So being that he's no longer with us, what do you think the fate of the drill scene will be? Oh, I think it'll have his run two, three, four years. I think it'll do another two, three, four years. Yeah, good. Time, time, time, no. It has to, it still has to burn out. It has to get the people, it hasn't, some people still haven't heard it yet. You have to give them a chance to hear it. It's drooling every language now. This UK drill, it's Australian drill, it's Italian drill, it's like a Spanish drill. Like, I feel like everybody heard it. Two years minimum, four years, if we get some, I think that's a reach. Here's what I'm saying, would you have said that if pop smoke was alive right now, thriving? I had to see what he was gonna do. Like, because he didn't serve, and that's what I'm saying. Well, as far as it's hard for a drill artist to be a megathon, because drill is a lot of conflict, right? Pop smoke got held back because of conflict, nothing else, you know what I'm saying? So even trying to break those barriers, still avoiding street, legal issues, well actually it's kind of hard to even excel that far. That's what I'm saying, like as far as a drill artist being a megastar. One, two, start problems, problems. Okay, cannot, all right. So I really, I gotta go there. I gotta go there, even though people gonna hate that, I gotta go there to bring it up, but let's go to it. I hate even talking about him, right? But let's just go there. Your boy Snitchnon gets on, does his thing, he starts to blow up, pre-rat days. He goes, does his thing, he starts to catch on, right? He's blowing, making, making charts, right? And drill-like videos, especially CUDA, these are drill-like, if not intensity, so drill-like videos, okay? Snitchnon had shitloads of legal issues, some of the worst, right? Even earlier on. And he got locked up. Hold on. Ebro goes on air one day and reads the letter that he got from the law enforcement about 69, and he reads the letter, and the law enforcement states that they were gonna let Danny go because he had reached such a pinnacle in his career, and they thought he was gonna move away. But things have gotten too much, and it's outside his hands. And Ebro reads this on air. And my whole point premises is that, even though you're saying that they come with a lot of drama, and they come with a lot of things, maybe, but for the ones that are stars, and the ones that can prove to be worth it, all of, none of that will be relevant, and none of that will matter because the stardom will break through, period. And I think Pops, I hate, and that's why I hate to bring up the guy, but Pop Smoke and him were only close to real mainstream success that we can really touch and see, and be able to end the culture. Facts. That. I don't think, I think even if the legal stuff didn't happen, I don't think 6ix9ine would have, I don't know, to me, he was doing, we was over him though. And 6ix9ine also got that peak because of the extra shit online. If his marketing was drama, you know what I'm saying? But remember, we said, the Pop Smoke market was creativity, sample. Like Pops don't give us so many varieties of marketing rather than where 6ix9ine was, I'm a troll, I'm a drop, I'm a troll, I'm a drop. And I feel like that's where we lack right now in the drill scene. It's the trolling and dropping. It's like, besides that though, what else? You know what I'm saying? I agree, I agree, I agree. I think does the drill scene lack creativity? Yes. Agree, 100%. All right, I'm glad we agreed on that. Okay, so, what should I call that? All right, so another topic. Jersey artists slept on by New York City. What do you think about that? Ooh, let me ask you, Mr. Chicken, you like Mr. Chicken? Yeah. Like, I'll be out? I'm not a super fan. I like Beto, I like, I don't know that much Jersey artists. I ain't got one. And this is my question. I'm getting it soon. They're the six borough, damn it. Jersey City is closer to Manhattan than the Bronx. And I think that there's artists in Jersey City have been cosigned, have, man, have large amounts of content, shows, Drophin and content, artists from Desana Boys, all the way, the list can go. Coil Ray from Jersey, I'm just not sure. Coil Ray is from Jersey, Coil Ray is from Jersey. No, but this is what we're saying. We talked about that, right? In the town, he was out there, right? When we was, Feddy, Feddy, oh, Su-Surf, you know, they have artists, they have. Jersey has artists. Again, you have, you know. I just feel like lack of support. But I ain't gonna lie, when I speak to Jersey artists, they make it seem like it's the trenches out there. I feel like we in the trenches in Brooklyn, so they make it sound worse. Like, I ain't gonna lie when I be fuckin' to do this. It's a little, it's, I don't wanna, I hate to say which one is more trenchy because everybody has their time. Yeah, I don't wanna get into a lot, but. But, Nourke is definitely trenchy. It's definitely has its sides, but they definitely, Jersey has a scene and they have a lot of creativity. And that's why I think that when you see a chicken, how we a-surf, a-feddy, it's like, how could we ignore, and they right there, and there's so much talent. No, I don't feel like ignoring them. I feel like they're tired of reaching their hand. And that's what I'm saying. I feel like I gotta reach my hand in my city constantly, constantly, constantly. Now I gotta reach to a whole other city, constantly, constantly, constantly. It's like, at this point, I'm just gonna keep grinding until it comes. And I feel like that's what, I feel like that's just a tri-state area thing, though. Like, we don't, like, accidentally. Do you bring, do you bring Jersey on, do you have a lot of Jersey artists on your platform? Have you had a few? I'm posting a lot more now. Like, since I did chicken interview, I'm not gonna lie, like, a lot of Jersey has been reaching out, so I've been finding out more, connecting with more. I've been going to shows out there now, trying to see, like, crew style and stuff. So I'm trying to get into that scene. I just found out that they got a blog page just, like, talking to town with them, sounds like so. I think that's lit. I followed them or whatever. But it's no, like, real way to fly on Jersey artists. You have to just go out there and see what's the way. But I feel like Jersey artists scare us away when they be like, yo, it's really bad out there. I was like, damn, I don't even wanna go there. So, I don't know. So then also, let's really talk about it, too. If Jersey, if, especially when you talk about the drill scene, right, in New York drill, if you talk about some of Jersey- How did the peak of the drill? Yo, come on. And then Jersey has so many different creatives. And I think about New York. Here's how I feel for artists, creatives, everybody. The reason why I think about more about Jersey is that when we think about going places, I know you're probably like, well, I'm gonna have an interview. Where's a new place setting I could get? Everybody, we need to expand to Jersey because of it's another option and just being another form of creativity. And I think about, just like watching, I see NY drill, when all these artists post, NY drill posts is every song that comes out every day. NY drill posts is a song, and I know this. It's always, you know, a feature, maybe two dudes from the same team or one dude from someone team and another dude from another hood, but it's never a branched off. Somebody from Jersey, somebody from South Carolina, somebody from North Carolina. They have been, they haven't been a lot, but I see artists are trying to, the most, the most person I see do, the most New York features is Daydo though. Like Daydo doesn't tap in with almost every New York person. Daydo's the only artist who stood me up, by the way. But go ahead, go ahead. I just, no, go ahead, no, go ahead. No, cause I'm just thinking of artists that are like connecting over the bridge. Yeah, I know. Only him. Oh, I see, and chicken, and chicken. Like that has like real new, oh, turf, the Neek Bucks, but that's years later, Neek Bucks been rapping for a long time. So it's like. Do you feel like, all right, so do you feel like New York has the hottest artists in the country right now? Is that what we're saying? No. You don't think these are, you don't think these are some of the hottest artists in the country right now? Cool. Favio Tutu G's, Chef G, Ron Suno. Hotest artists in the country? Dusty Locain? Country? Nah. Damn, why you doing this to me? No shade, but like country, that's big, like. Yo, but like, all right, here's what people, here's what people- For me, it's like- But like, let's break it down, go to the states, how many states are, go, let's go to the states and go down. How many, what state has this many names that we can name that are rocking with decent to good, how have you rated music that is- I feel like we just feel like that because we live here though. I feel like we feel like that because we live here though. I feel like in North Carolina it's, before the baby, now it's Susie, now it's kind of Vegas. Three. I don't live there, so I don't know. But here's what I'm saying though, when you checking these other markets though, most markets- When I'm checking these other markets, I'm looking for artists that's under Tussie. Yeah. Like when people come here, automatically hit Chef Fabio. It's so many other artists under these people, right? Agreed. That have to get there first. Agreed. Where do I find those people? You know what I'm saying? Like, we don't know. Agreed. So for us to say, yo, New York got the hottest out of all, it's like, we know that because we live here. It's artists under those artists. But here's what I'm saying though, you see how you said Chef and Fabio because they're already at the level they got to? Yeah. Why when you go to these places, you cannot name as many names as you name as a Chef or Fabio. I feel like it's good though. You think that as many players, and they have the same number? And again- Like Atlanta, and Atlanta too. Texas, like it's not other places. Texas is hot. Texas has an extreme artist. How could you say that though? It's like, damn. But again though, just again, I love again. So let's get, let's get, first off, North Carolina's got besides the baby and the stunner for Vegas, Tusi two times and everybody in the BDB camp. That's North Carolina. North Carolina has a Maury and all these, a whole different sound to meet music. I don't know, I forget it right, but yeah. But let's now, let's really go to it. When you start talking about Florida, right? Florida is the calling- Young and ace in those guys, right? Yes. Young and ace. I love young and ace. Young and ace, Fujian, no hot boy. Spottum, Gotham, Fredo Bain. I don't think Fredo is from Chicago. But yeah, like- You think that those artists are hotter than the five we named? You think those cities, those artists are hotter than those guys, right there? Honestly? I feel like this is never gonna end, bro. Okay, go. Go to the next question. I just, I think, here's what I think. Here's just what I think. When you talk about music- You know how many people read this beatbox? Like, I'm just trying to say, I'm not pushing it right now. That's one record. It's one record. It's one record. Everybody was fuckin' wet. It's one record. It's one record. Big drip. Like, his beatbox is his big drip. Bobby threw a hat in the air and was on Movies with Kevin Hart afterward. Okay, but I'm just sayin' like, we not gonna sit here and say like, I don't feel like we got the hottest artists in the country. I feel like we have the strongest hustlers. That's even a term. The strongest hustlers? I feel like once we hustle in New York, we excel anywhere else. Yes, agree. And that could be also the perspective, I think. I think what it takes and what it has to do to get hot in New York. Because the Spottom got him, nigga. Thousand people remixed that shit, right? But he just dropped a song after that. He was pushing that song for damn near what? Nine months. Yes, yes. So like, it's like easier to get that branch off. Whereas to here, we got to keep hustling. Yes. So that's why I feel like we're stronger. That's why we have to hustle. And that's what makes us stronger when we excel everywhere else. But hottest in the country. And also too, do you not feel like, and this in my opinion. And after this, it's gonna go on. We're gonna go on. No more. My question is, do you not think that the brands that these are, some of these are artists in general, Chef G. Ronsuno, the ones that are. The brands that they're building. Do you not think that the brands that they're building are some of the more already tailored for bigger mass media markets? Like remember when the baby popped and he was like, okay, his brand's already ready for big mass media. Do you not feel like these guys are more angled and ready for big mass media versus like Holyoke, Spottom got him, dudes in Florida. That's what I mean. That's what I mean. They hustled to get that, right? But I feel like out here, once we're stamped, we're comfortable. As far as like, we're not reaching out no more. Once our foundation is set and we're generating money and we all situated. We're not reaching out no more. We're just gonna keep working on what we already got going on. Once we got a system, we definitely stay on our system. But I feel like out there, they be yearning for more. Like I feel like out there is just like, I'm gonna keep going, I'm gonna keep going, I'm gonna keep going even though. Yo, and I really just got to state it. I have to, I just got to lead us one more time too. It's that being around in these different areas, Adam, you know we've been on the road. We go into North Carolina, South Carolina. We go down to VA, Atlanta. Yo, besides Atlanta, not Atlanta, but Georgia. Besides Atlanta, Atlanta's of course a different market, but Georgia, when you get around these areas, a lot of these artists don't know half the thing. A lot of these. That's what I said, we're the strongest hustlers. I feel like. Man, man, like, yo, there's some, dude, there's dudes brands who are not ready. No, I get it. Cause I go to Atlanta and I see it too. Like, it's so much opportunity just sitting next to them. And then just like skipping past it. I guess I don't fucking know. We're asked to here, we're like, yo, it's over there, yo, it's over there, yo, it's over there. That's how, that's how I feel like we're the strongest hustlers. And again, Brooklyn, just like Brooklyn has a lot of artists. I think you take some of them Brooklyn artists that you like, like some people don't never talk about. I think that healthy chill, even going to select some artists like in the Bronx. That like, it goes to like, or go to like Fergie, even going back to like a Fergie baby. These dudes, if they were in Midwest or they did these things and they would Fergie, if Fergie baby would have had the cookout he had in Harlem in the Midwest or in downtown somewhere, he'd be a mega star cause he'd be a hometown hero. So I think that that's why when I say the importance is cause when you look at like a brand like a Fergie baby or even a healthy chill, these dudes are ready now. They might not have all the streams and all the public on them. And that's cause it's a music game. They got, you got to get the records. That's just the game. But some of these dudes' brands are so ready that it's crazy to me that they're on the sideline versus when you go to other states and other places. For me, it's just a consistency. Like your team could be A1, but if y'all not consistent. I remember before we closed out, you know, who's outside? You know who outside. So who do you think is top five in the city right now on the ground? All right, so I'm gonna definitely split it between girls and guys. Top five females. I don't care who y'all. If you pay attention to the underground scene, you cannot not see native dancer, young Devin, dream doll off the rip. I don't know what's up with. Billie, Billie B. I love Kate Goddess, yo. I think Kate Goddess is a brand too. I know he's gonna say her. I love Kate Goddess, bro. I think she's a brand. But like, I was just watching on Kate Goddess Day. She's been the most consistent female artist. And it's like, when we talk about music business, music is nice and everything, but she understands we here to work and sell and make, get consumers and to sell products. And she understands this as a whole. I like Kate Goddess. The records, that's not my opinion, but I'm gonna definitely say I love Kate Goddess as a brand as well. I love her brand itself. Yeah, Kate Goddess is a brand, dude. Top five dudes. Let's go with, controversial city. Let's go with number one. I'm gonna have to go with, yo, number one, if we being real, I just love all the drillies and all these dudes. I love all the drills. I love Kate Flock. I love D-Thing. I love, man. I think Young Zay is good. I think Young Zay can rap. Young Zay is like a borderline to me. Borderline. I think he puts on for the Bronx well. I feel like he's so polished. He could be a nation artist like tomorrow. You wanna know what it is though? Zay really raps and when you rapping that shit, that shit sometimes will come out hard in the club and they're gonna be wanting to, they correlate the club with numbers that would be streaming and it gets jumbled up sometimes. So, but I mean, again, I think Zay is good. I think Zay good. I got Kate Flock, a D-Thing. Let me go too. Keep it uptown. Of course, that's what I said. I definitely know, I know, I gotta go, I gotta go. I'm listening, I'm listening. Yo, bro, if you really, if you're listening, like, yo, two, six AR, man. God damn, he fucking came out of nowhere. Two, six AR's like just jumped into one of my favorites because it's consistency. Fuck, so many motherfuckers about to DM me. So many motherfuckers about to DM me. I know I miss so many. Who you been hearing all summer, like, all getting into summer? Who you keep hearing? Yo, bro, I like Moolak Jeeze too. I like Moolak Jeeze. You just kept it all uptown. I like Moolak Jeeze. Yeah, I'm a Bronx dude, bro. I'm a Bronx dude. I'm a Bronx dude. I'm uptown, I love it. I love, yo, but you, because listen, because you said also underground, because I just wanna say this, the top dudes, of course, I can't name five of yo's chef and these dudes. No, but it's mad underground. But when you talk about, did you, are you gonna sleep on K-Flock? I'm not sleeping on K-Flock. K-Flock, deep thing, K-Flock and deep thing, I'm like OP, I like mad other people. OP, so wait, hold on. OP is top five as far as image and brand. OP needs two, three more records for real. Move Dolly and... But you just said, God, it's for her brand too. So, come on, let's talk about impact influence. He got Lil Scott with Bobby Schmurder, like. But that's what I'm saying, OP is somebody who can be He doesn't have to... Right. A K-Flock, a link to Lil Scott. Like, come on. Again, OP is such a, the way I just watched OP's brand, I think OP is gonna be way more successful in the industry, just being his brand. I don't know about the music. I'm not sure about the hits. Well, that's his golden lift, though. I think he's just really good as a music brand. I don't know if OP needs, I see, you see what he did with Lil Scott? Like, I like the way he moves people. I like the way he helps brands. I like the way he cross-counters. I don't know if the music and being a, it's not, everybody's not meant to be the next Drake. But I think OP could be very successful in his game, in general, as a brand. I don't think he plans on rapping for it. I wouldn't please set that in an interview. OP, right, yeah. I don't, I think he understands the game. I don't, if you understand the game, I don't see why would you not wanna be behind the scenes. That's just my personal opinion. That's why I was behind the scenes. Yeah, I mean, that's why I'm just behind the scenes, dude. Yeah, but yeah, so that's who's hot to top five, slash 10. Okay, it was like, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Yeah. But you might see us back together again one day, right? Yes, yes, yes. So we were to find you, we were to find your page, platform followers. Yes, yeah, so artists tap in with me. Jungletar, who's outside? Who's outside is the platform on IG, on YouTube? Who's outside? Podcasts, interviews out now. Knuckles Brim, got Blackboard by CJ for a million dollars. Question mark, match me interview out now. Lay off.