 Boom, welcome back to Mind Pump. In this episode we talk about an unusual way to build muscle that you've probably never tried or even heard about. In the second half of the show we answer four questions from our Mind Pump media Instagram account. Questions such as, what are some of the best landmine exercises? What are the pros and cons of having versus not having a college degree? Finally, Mind Pump clips. Let that sink in. It's another channel that we have right here on YouTube. Go over there and subscribe and enjoy the rest of the show. Here's a cool way to build muscle. Pick a weight for an exercise that you could do 20 reps for and then your goal is to fail at 10 reps. In other words, use tempo, squeeze, stretch, and focus to make something you do 20 reps with, something you can only do 10 reps with. Watch what happens. Love this strategy. Isn't this great? This is somebody who is just getting started too. Just to put more emphasis on the form than always just loading it. People forget that you can progressively overload the body many different ways. It's not always just adding more weight to the exercise, sometimes dramatically slowing it down. You get an incredible workout. Less damaging and a totally different type of stimulus, which still promotes you towards that same desired outcome. I like it for beginners, but I also love it for people who are advanced because at some point as you get stronger and stronger and stronger, the risk versus reward ratio starts to change with the amount of weight that you can lift. I did this the other day. I took a weight. I said, okay, I know I could do 20 reps with this. The goal is can I make it so that the 10th rep is like I can't do another rep. It's literally as I'm doing each rep, like I start with the first one and I'm like, oh my gosh, this is too light to do 10. So the second rep, I'm like slow, squeeze, stretch, pause, and you can adjust this as you get closer to the 10th rep and it's great because you use less weight. You do better form and technique and you have better focus throughout the set and you're just exactly what you said, Adam, you're progressively overloaded without having to add weight. In fact, you took weight off the bar. I love to do this too when I'm feeling too lazy to change the weight. I swear to God, I swear to God, I just did it the other day. The other day, I was like, I wasn't even motivated to lift. I'm like, I need to get in the gym. I'm like, oh, I need to set the squat rack up. I'm going to do this, I'm going to do that. And I'm like, okay, so I got under there and I'm like, I put 135 on for squats, which is obviously really light. And I'm like, I just don't want to, I don't want to get up and add it. My 45s are a pie on my thing. I'm like, I don't even want to add it. Slow it. While you're working out. I did. I moved less. It's so funny you say that. That was like my go-to, especially when I was like training clients in like the really busy time, 24 hours. I only have access to these dumbbells and maybe this one machine and I have this one corner like I basically can use. So I have to like be as effective as possible. So I had to pull out all those tricks like with tempo and with angles and just trying to make things a little bit more difficult and challenging. Yeah, or pause, like an isometric stuff. I mean, that's, I can make that 135. I got a great workout. My legs were hella sore, you know, so I could, I just literally just did this the other day. I just did not. This is a good skill to develop. If you, if you want to work out for a long period of time, you know, for let me the rest of your life, this is, I would consider this an essential skill because what are you going to do? Otherwise keep adding weight, keep pushing the load at some point that becomes detrimental. And I know it sounds like I'm being completely lazy in a half that's half true, but there is like part of the logic behind that is like, you know, oh, I don't feel like putting any more weight on the bottom. Like right away, the thought that comes to mind is, oh, when was the last time I did 135 on squats and did some pause and hold the bottom or come halfway up, pause again, then finish. Exactly. Like I'll just, I haven't done that in a while. I'm like, oh, I don't feel like putting any more weight on the bar. This is a good day to do that. I'm going to do that. And so I think just think there's a lot of merit to that. And it's not something that I would normally do. But I just recently did this. Yeah. One of my favorite ways to do this, obviously, you could slow the reps down. That's an easy way to do it. But one of my other pausing has got to be my favorite way to make a weight feel much heavier. And what I'll do is I'll pause usually in the hardest parts of the rep. So like with a squat, it's like at the bottom and I'm not sitting on my, on my heels and resting down there. I'm holding it at the bottom and creating tension. And if you do squats and you hold the bottom for five seconds, that weight feels exponentially heavier. And then with a deadlift, I'll pause, like I'll pull it off the floor five or six inches, pause there and then finish the lift. Oh my God. Like 200 pounds feels like 500 pounds. Dude, that's my go to any time it's been a long period of time, I haven't addressed certain lifts like for right now, a front loaded squat is something I haven't done in quite a while. So I don't want to load it substantially, but I also want to start really getting my body to get in the groove that I used to be able to get into. And so I'll pause at the hardest parts of the lift and I'll really like take my time tensing up my body and feeling my way back to being able to stabilize it properly and go through proper range of motion and all that. So, but I still get a good workout out of it, even though I have like light weight and it helps me to bring myself back. One of the sets that I did, I actually, I took like a five, five, six second negative real slow with the 135 pause at the bottom for about three seconds and then actually try to come up explosively. So like I built that and I think I did like five reps and I was just going that slow on the way down. I'm so glad you said that. Pausing for a second and then like trying to explosively come out. Obviously, I'm not going to move the weight that explosive. It's still 135 on back, but just the thought of trying to explosively move out like with that kind of way. I'm so glad you said that because I didn't even obviously that's you can make, you can lift a light weight faster and dramatically increase the intensity. This is much more advanced, right? This is power. So you got to have good stability and control. But the first time I experienced this, I took my, I used to have a business partner. I first started my personal training business. I had a business partner for a short period of time and we took a pair of light dumbbells and a kettlebell to the park and we're like, let's do explosive, like let's throw these weights, you know, let's see what we can do. So, so instead of like, you know, like one arm dumbbell shoulder press, you know, I don't know at the time, I'm sure I could have done 80 pounds or something like that. We had a 20 pound dumbbell and it was literally, let's see who can launch it the furthest. And so it's 20 pounds, but you're pushing it with so much effort that you generate a lot of tension. So I'm so glad you said that because speed can also, you know, and that's how Olympic lifters lift, right? They, they'll use a lighter weight, but try to lift it as fast as possible in a particular part of the rep and that generates tremendous, that's really activates those fast switch muscle fibers. It'll build muscle as well. It's more advanced because you have to be stable. I mean, I got sore. I got plenty sore from a workout of moving 135 just for four sets. I mean, that's all I did of it. And it was enough to get me. And so I definitely think that, I mean, originally I said that this is my favorite for beginners. So I absolutely love it. And the reason why I loved it with beginners was it's already difficult to get a client to keep their form when they're moving away. If you challenge them weight wise to where it's hard for them to move that weight, say five or 10 or 12 times, that it's even harder to get them to keep the form. Whereas if I put on a load that's like 50% of that weight that they could do, say 10 or 15 reps. Now it's really light for them. And then I teach them how to make it, you know, more difficult by slowing it down, but then it also gives me that opportunity to, to move their posture and get them in a position. But to your point, like you said, absolutely advanced lifters. I just used it just recently where I'll manipulate that. I think it's a great tip and great technique. Yeah. Give it a try. See what happens. Here's the giveaway for today's episode. MAPS OCR, obstacle course racing program, and I'm going to give away MAPS cardio. This is an endurance training program. So they both go very well together. I'm going to give them both away for free because they're on sale right now. But before I get to that, here's how you can win them for free. Leave a comment below in the first 24 hours that we dropped this episode. Turn on notifications and make it a good comment. Also subscribe to this channel. Do all those things. 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They found a compound that, given to mice, the mice didn't have to do anything different. They didn't have to do any exercise. They built muscle and they got leaner. OK. So, you know, of course, the news picks it up and it's like, oh, exercise in a pill and all that stuff. And I think it's the actual myostatin inhibitor. It's, well, I think it's going to be way more complex than, you know, the whole process of making yourself more fit and stronger and leaner is way more complex than people, I think, appreciate. So who knows when this real exercise in a pill that gives you the health fitness benefits, all that stuff. But at some point, I think this will exist at some point. How do you? OK, how different is is that then? Because testosterone would show this, too, right, Nick? It can, didn't you? Didn't you talk about you tout a study all the time that showed the three different groups? One of the groups that did no exercise and just took limited, though, just just testosterone, saw building muscle and burning body fat. So lean body mass will go up. You'll lose a little body fat, but then it's done. Like you have to then continue to exercise to keep seeing more results, more muscle growth, more fat loss and stuff like that. I don't think we're ever going to find. So my stance is we won't. You guys think that we will. I don't think we will. I think I think you still have to promote the work. That's that's the reason why you won't because it's a response, right? The the building of muscle is an adaptation response to your body trying to basically defend itself. So the idea that you can take a pill to to get the body to do that is chemically produced. Yeah, I don't think I don't think so, because I don't think it's a I. So here's so here. OK, so I think at some point we will be able to because we'll be able to identify the signaling process that exercise produces in the body. Now, is it complex? It's super complex, obviously. So I'm not saying this will happen in 10 years or even 20 or 30 years. But at some point, especially with AI learning and biomedicine, all that stuff, it'll be like a nanobot pill. Something I think at some point they'll figure out, oh, do this and we'll be able to trigger the response in the body because we figure, but it's a long way from now. But my my point with this is at some point we'll figure this out. What is what what do you guys think gyms and workouts are going to look like when this finally exists? So let's just speculate. Let's speculate. There is a exercise and diet in the pill. So you take it and it's equivalent to working out three days a week and eating, you know, relatively healthy diet. It would imagine to be more of like a fun experience like place almost like like a place to test your new skills. Right. Like so. So if you have this like new able body that's strong and and you have to acclimate to it, it's almost like is like a video game where it's like now I'm I'm going to maybe it's like you get in a room and then you do like X amount of exercises in there and just test your skills and because like who like at that point, what does it matter? So that's I don't think so. So, you know, I think I think you would revert back to the 70s and all these gyms would pretty much for the most part go away. All the money would follow the the supplement industry that, you know, provides this thing that people don't have to exercise more and the only people that would be exercising are the actual people that truly love the journey and that have now made that connection and attached that so they would shrink down again to the size of what it was in the 70s where you'd have these little tiny garage gyms that a small community of people that go there and they would be the weird outcast people who like to work out when you could just take a pill. I agree with you, but I do agree with that, but I do think that fitness will take on more of a spiritual component. And what I mean by that is not like it's like you're worshipping it. Well, no, let me explain. We're so godless that it happened. Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no. Not like you're going the opposite direction. No, no, no, no. What I mean by a personal growth. Yes. Yes. Like you're going to have a bunch of fitness people doing hard things just because let's just imagine everybody looks everybody. Oh, wow, everybody looks fit because they could take this pill. Yeah, there's still going to be people kind of like monks who are going to be like, yeah, but I still do this practice because that's what I mean. That's what you mean? Like churning butter. Yeah, that's that's what I mean. I think it's going to be more of a spiritual practice and fitness people in this future. Sure. Sure. It's basically going to be like a practice like, well, yeah, I go and do this. And yeah, I know I look good, but because here's the deal. People who exercise for long consistently for long periods of time, they'll tell you the benefits of exercise are not limited to your stronger and your leaner and you move better. Yeah, there's a lot of other benefits that are in that spiritual realm of growth and acceptance and pain and challenge and meditation. That's the minority of the minority. Yes. So it will be a belcher, right? We'll be we'll hit the peak of gyms and people in them. And then it'll go all the way back down to what it was like at the beginning when it's just this small, rare group of people that actually work out. That's what I mean. Yeah, too. And like, you still have people that smoke cigarettes, right? So there's always like the rebellious side of all this stuff. Right. So I'm I'm just like, I was kind of laughing myself thinking of like because bodybuilding was, you know, got to the point where it's it's extreme, but maybe it's a lot easier to go in that direction, you know, but maybe it's like the hard way to do it now is to just like pack on a whole bunch of weight. That's just fat. You know, like you have like fat building competition. I just think I just think people are going to work out and it's not going to be to build muscle and burn body fat. No, it'll be for a different thing. That's what I mean. It'll be the minority, the minority. It'll be the small percentage of people that they're spiritual. When you just had that conversation on the podcast the other day that comment under our Instagram page and say, yes, this is why there was there was about 30 people. OK, so it's about of the millions that listened. There was about 30 people that were like, yes, that's why I do it. OK, well, that percentage of people will still go to these gyms because they they've made that connection that it's not just the aesthetics that is why they work now. Do you think that eventually that that again, we're all speculating like the future that it would that that you'd have less people working out less. And then it makes us worse. It makes us worse people. But then do I agree with you? But then do you think at some point people will figure it out and be like, you know what, there's value in like no moving and stuff. No, I think we move further away from that. Right now, I feel like there's hope to like get people to understand that the more pills, the more the more pills that we have to solve what they think is the root cause or problem, the less likely they're going to explore all these other things like there would be a large there's a large portion of people that are going to the gym currently right now at this moment that are in there because they're like, I just want to get rid of this fat and I want to look this way. We Lord the man. Yeah. Right. And then it's our job to teach him. Yeah. But those people given a pill would be like, fuck this, I'm taking that. Why don't I want to go over there? No desire to look further. I think if you're going to look at the landscape now, like an indication of that, if it was to go in the direction you're talking about, so I would be to see if like we are in fact swinging back into more of a religious like quest of people coming back, you know, in that direction for answers instead of what we've already been going towards. If that does happen, I would probably lean it is happening. There is there seems to be a resurgence of spiritual practices and wisdom, you know, like stoicism came back. Yeah, we'll see. I'm like, I feel like that feels like one of those news articles where you find one thing that correlates with that and then you attach it to like, oh, look, church attendance has been up. It's up 15 percent over the last three years. Yeah, I don't have any data because the data actually supports the opposite. Yeah. It just feels that way. Yeah. It don't feel that way to me. I actually feel the opposite. I feel like when you see it being removed from schools, you see more. I mean, when you read the book, I Jin, it's more and more atheist are here than there were just two decades ago. So I don't get the sense of this resurgence of that at all. I mean, I think it's the opposite. Imagine how dysfunctional. Just think about this. How dysfunctional society would be if you literally paid zero consequences for eating garbage? Like, how do you think? Like, imagine what that pure indulgence that like, imagine the dysfunction that that were produced. That'd be a weird, scary. But now you're looking at other like unrelated consequences, right? Like, what about your teeth? Health and what about like all these other like, OK, I think we have organs and like, so it's what if you got none of that? Yeah, but don't you think don't don't you think we have kind of an example of this right now with technology? We don't have these parameters really set on those. And there's unlimited indulgence of, you know, pornography and photos and apps and entertainment and at the palm of our hand. We're living in an experiment right now. Yeah. And we are for the most part. Yeah, it's like too much unrestricted. It's unrestricted. You can get you can do is and consume as much as you want. So the only difference is you're talking about food and they each have I think they each have different consequences. But nonetheless, I think they both have serious consequences and I think we have yet to see that completely unfold. Yeah. And so we're going to see that my son had this thought experiment in his class and this is what kind of spurred some of this conversation. It's like, OK, fine. And imagine let's imagine a world where there are no no negative consequences, just eating whatever you want, right? Just eating garbage. At some point you it would lose all its value, right? You'd be like, this is kind of boring, like I don't know what to do. So anyway, they did this thought experiment and they said, OK, well, what's the ultimate value, right? And, you know, one kid said, oh, like feeling good. He's like, OK, cool. So we should just take a bunch of humans and hook them up to heroin and just give them heroin all the time. He goes, but then they won't know the difference because they don't have a contrast. They have to also know what bad feels like to feel good. So then he said the teacher said, well, every once in a while, someone comes along and kicks in the nuts while you're getting this. So they did this whole thought experiment and they went down the path and my son said that it was a great debate because all the kids realized like, oh, shit, it's way more complex than we think. Like, you know, we think we want all this stuff, but do we really? And really, what was the main thesis? Like, what's the ultimate? What's the ultimate value? What's the ultimate? What's the top thing? Of what? What's of life of and the ultimate value? How was it presented to the kids? I just want I think it was like that. I think it was something along the lines of like, what's the ultimate value that we should aspire towards? Oh, yeah. And they turned out to be basically to be able to have the choice to live the way we want. But it started out with a bunch of kids saying, you know, oh, feeling good and avoiding pain and not having challenges and not having struggles. And so the teacher like takes them down that path. All right. And they realized like, oh, wait, those do have value. Yeah, you know, yeah, it helps to kind of like enhance those other traits that you're mentioning. Yeah, class was that, you know, God, he's I think it was velocity. No, I want to say it was one of his literature classes. And they'll do like a second like a tight like I think right now he's doing post apocalyptic. I don't remember is like a class like a category of of books that are in this category and he's reading them and it spurred this like conversation. It's really cool though because he reads these books that I've never read that I've wanted to read. So I just get to like ask him is like my clip notes. Oh yeah, what happens that book? So what's the deal about that? Filter it for me, son. This is what I'm paid for. Give me the meat of it. I know. Anyway, it's pretty cool. So more cool science. I just read this, Justin. I don't know if you heard about this, but they have figured out I got to pull this up because it was really hard for me to kind of make sense of. They have figured out a way to transmit so much information through a single laser and a computer chip or a chip that they could literally transmit the whole internet in less than a second. So this is a new record for how fast we can transfer laser. Yes. So so. So this is my head hurt. Just think about the ability of that. So check this out. I have some thoughts. Go ahead. So the ability to transmit information and we have like we can test it and see what the records are, what the world records are. Right. So the latest world record is literally so fast. It's crazy. So using a single laser and a single optical chip researchers were able to transmit one point eight petabits per second. OK, so to tell you guys what that is one petabit is the same as one million gigabyte gigabytes. And and that amount of information is the equivalent of transmitting twice the global internet traffic. And they were able to do this insanely large. Now that doesn't mean that they were transmitting. Like it was just pure information. Yeah. But so. But they can direct it and with a laser guided directive of information that's OK. So this is where like that half of that stuff that just seems so out there and wild like people speculate like even the sun and like the rays of light being some kind of information that gets transmitted to us. Like this is some weird way out there, wild stuff. But like think about interesting if you think about like how it to even with with crystal and people are really into crystals or stuff like they talk about it being a natural way to store information. Yeah. Yeah. And so and then traveling through space, they didn't they they send out like this this gold like record. Oh 1970. I think it was two or something. Yeah. Like even Carl Sagan was part of that right. And like they have a. Yeah, dude. You it's so funny to me. We sent out this rocket. I don't know if it was a Voyager. I remember maybe Doug you could look it up. I think it just left our solar system if I'm not mistaken recently. It's been flying forever. Oh, yeah, forever. Super, super high speeds. And we put on there a gold. This was the technology at the time. Right. So it was a record, but it was gold because that lasts the longest and whatever. And on there we use mathematical equations so that alien civilizations if they find it could locate Earth. We have they can understand our rules, laws. Yeah, like music was on their noises from nature from babies crying. Oh, there it is. It's the Voyager golden record. Doug, what was there's also like a picture of a man and a woman on there. Yeah. Of course, this is before we decided to look at the back. There's way more of it's like in 1977, which is 77. So and literally we put because we think that math is the universal language right of the universe. Yeah. So we put on there and then when you think about it, like, why would you do this? It flies out into space. Alien civilization finds it. We're giving them a map. Hey, come find us. We're located here. And then they look at it like us and they're like primitive. They're like, oh, this is their technology records in a rocket. Exactly. Let's go kick their ass. No, that will get off shop. We'll skip these guys. What's on there, Doug? I know that there's like there's like they say hello in almost every major world. Fifty five ancient and modern languages. Boy, there's other sounds like footsteps, laughter, inspirational messages, music, all types of different things. And there's also thunder, animals. There's also a printed message from the current US president of the time, Jimmy Carter. We picked one of our worst presidents. Yeah, I'm the ball guy. It's cool. You know, when I hear something like this, I'm always so I'm so curious to like what was the budget to do this thing? Like how much how many millions of dollars did we spend? Oh, yeah. Like there's just through some gold out. And you know, you know, it's funny about this. So everybody's like, Nessa, it's this wonderful thing that, you know, the government did just for scientific exploration. No, we 100% used it as a way to flex during the Cold War. Big time. So we said the space race, right? Who can get to the moon first? We didn't give a shit about going to the moon. We just know that if we show the Soviets, we could fly the president said, we're doing it. We have to. Yes. And also, if we land on the moon, we could park a nuke in your backyard if we want to from here. So that's literally what it was. It wasn't like, you know, massive betterment of humanity to show who's got the most power. And we spent a lot of money. Who's got the big 250 million dollars back then to that's in 1970. 1972. What would that translate today? A lot. Well, yes. I mean, 25. Are you talking about yesterday or today? What? It's just changed dramatically in the last 10 this episode airs. That's 1972. Two hundred and fifty million dollars. Seventy seven. I think I know. Seventy two. Yeah, yeah. Two hundred and fifty million dollars back then. Oh, wait, wait, wait. That's going to be like a billion. Yeah, probably. It's like a billion dollar project. Oh, it's got to be a billion, right? It's got to be. I would think. Oh, yeah, probably well over. Well, that's the bare minimum. It's a billion. What can we do with that? Besides like make a throw out a gold record? I mean, we're just throwing trillions out now. So that's the big deal. That that's a lot back then, though. That's a lot. I'm curious. I want to see what the calculation is that you're doing it, Doug. And I'm pretty sure that what does that say? One billion. So it's like seven X. Oh, my God, bro. Wow. So that's a lot of billions of dollars, two billion dollars worth of. Wow. That's crazy. That's insane. Money well spent. You know, well, you know, it made work, guys. You know, just think positively. Now the Voyager left our solar system, I think, right, Doug? Did we we sent it out? Look it up. So does that mean we can no longer track it? It's gone. It left. It's the first human made anything. I mean, you think it's gone. That's left. Well, is Elon's car still out there? A flyer? Oh, wait, hold on. In August 2012, Voyager 1 became the first spacecraft to cross into interstellar space. However, if we define our solar system as the sun and everything that primarily orbits the sun, Voyager 1 will remain within the confines of the solar system until it emerges from the what is that, the Oort cloud? The Oort cloud? And oh, it's only into the 14,000 to 28,000 years. Sounds like it's in Lord of the Rings. Yeah. By the way, weird stuff on that. Did you know the oldest? Do you guys want to know the oldest battery? Ever found? Yeah, the Baghdad battery. So do you think that thousands of years old? Yeah. What the hell? So you think the theory of why you do a project like this? Do you think the reason why you do a project like this is more or less not to find some aliens across the solar system, but more so because it's supposed to return to us. That because there's some people that theorize that we've been here. We've done this before and we just keep we just we build up. We get smarter, smarter, smarter until we're too smart for ourselves. We destroy ourselves. I think there's some truth. Then we start over and that's kind of like that. We that's our perpetual cycle. So maybe the strategy finally never bleeds implodes. Finally, this this this this generation decides that they're going to send. They're going to send this out in case we are on pace to do that again. And so this the new civilization gets this and in 18,000 years or whatever. That's some planet of the ape shit right there. Right now. What are we going to? No, Doug. Focus lasers. Is it what planets? I'll just say the only that wasn't the only mission of the Voyager to get the golden record out there. So they were doing close up studies of Jupiter and Saturn and Saturn's rings and the larger real real important. I'm telling you right now 100 percent this the all the funding the the government funding. They got public funding for this because they said space. It's great exploration. But really, we had to develop the technology to be able to launch rockets from here to wherever we want with, you know, with intercontinental ballistic missiles. That's how we and the Soviets were doing the private sector has been doing since that. I mean, by the way, that's way after the Cold War, like everybody stopped caring. Yeah. Like we don't care dropped off. Yeah, it was no interest. No. And the private sector picked it up because you had people like Elon Musk. Well, this is cool. We got to figure this out. Yeah. It's interesting to me to see how that kind of emerged and then how competitive it's getting now in terms of like, you know, who can who can sort of take the first like regular everyday people out there and like what, you know, where we can set up hotels, you know, on the moon or whatever the hell they're planning. I'm actually excited by that. That's like the whole interstellar thing, like obviously going into my science fiction geeked them, kind of waiting for this. Yeah. Dude, did you did you know there's a meteor that is made out of pure, I think, diamond? Oh, I heard they're trying to get the newest metal motivators. Let's go out there and get what it's got like full lithium or something crazy. I don't remember. It has something on it that's like super valuable to us. I think it was a diamond meteor, if I'm not mistaken. Like literally. Really? Just tell your girl like. If you wait a little longer. What is the what is the history of that tradition for us? It's like one of the I mean, it's one of those weird things that we do that. I think it's diamond rings. Yeah, yeah. Do they control the market? I know that's what a few families, right? Yeah, own the diamond mines. Yeah, yeah, like did they actually like engineer that in terms of like that's what I'm asking interest. That's what I'm asking. I think so. Like what made it popular? At what point in our royals must have set the tone for all this stuff? I don't think it was donning themselves in jewelry. I don't think it was always traditional that it was a diamond that was the engagement. Maybe Doug can look this up. When was the diamond? When did the diamond become the traditional engagement? Right? Because before that, it was really about merging. I mean, it was like property. But I think I think other gemstones were appropriate too. I think before a certain period of time that you could give a girl a ruby or an emerald or something and it became diamond. That's the one you have to get. And I think it was their marketing campaign, if I'm not mistaken. If you get a diamond, I get like three goats. Yeah, I want to know the history of this. Yeah, 1930s. De Beers advertising campaign. So De Beers really did that? One company changed the way we do this forever. Seems to be the case. Well, we're click on that and see what diamond is forever. That's like their classic line before the 1930s. OK, because this says 1930s. I knew this before this time. You could give like lots of different types of gemstone. Like now would be weird if you're like, hey, will you marry me and you give your limestone? I try that. I try that. Can you do it? Oh, it's all flaky, isn't it? Limestone. It's just a pebble. It fits in one of those nurseries on the way over here. You're a mood rain. I just know. Oh, I'm good today. Yes, yes. What does that say, Doug? Did you read what it said? Yes, too detailed. Oh, too much reading for you. Too much reading. Looks like out of work out earlier. Depears. Depears manufactured that. Wow, that's that's impressive. Wow, that's brilliant. Yeah. Isn't that just that's got to be one of the most brilliant marketing campaigns of all time. Yeah. And it's like so expensive. Like, man, they just they really did a number on. So what they did was now who bought into this women or man? I mean, I know we both bought into it, but like who really made this woman? Well, yeah, yeah, we only bought into it because women bought into it. Yeah, it's not like some guys like, hey, I got this idea. I'm going to spend crazy money on this rock and I'm going to put it in there and give it to her. No way. Some guy thought of that. According to this, they didn't become popular until 1947 when Depears, the British company that mined diamonds in South Africa, launched an advertising campaign with the help of Hollywood stars and the slogan, a diamond is forever. Diamond engagement rings skyrocketed in popularity. It would be cool to see a graph. It would be cool to see a graph on like how crazy that has gone. I mean, to go from that's not even a thing that you would you would use to propose to someone to the staple. Oh, yeah, you feel like it's been here forever. Yeah, you just assume it's just a thing. I mean, there's even things out there, too. Have you heard people say things like you're supposed to do like three, three, three months of a salary? That's bullshit. That's so average. Oh, I messed up with that. Yeah, I remember the first. Are you in that trap? No, push presents. Push presents. Dude, there's come up with presents. It's all marketing opportunities. Bro, the three month salary one is if you really think about it, it's fucked up, but brilliant. Three month salary for a ring? That's a lot. So you got some dude who's like busting his ass. I don't know how much am I supposed to spend? Oh, the commercial said, OK, so I do the math. Well, OK, I guess I get it. Is that before or after taxes? Either one is a lot still. That's crazy. Is that funny? See, my wife's counterculture. So I'm going to give her a minute. Hey, babe, here's an engagement ring. It's an emerald or something like that. I think emeralds and rubies are better looking anyway. Dude, it immediately loses value, too. It's not like you're just going to go hawk it and sell it. Diamonds? It doesn't work out. Oh, I thought they hold their climb, no? No, nobody wants a used engagement ring. Yeah, I mean, they probably keep buying. There's some value there. No, I would think less. I think they hold their appreciate, dude. No, no, no. It depends where you get it from. If it's like. Well, yeah, if you get some, like, fucking sears, like diamond ring or something like that. But if you get a real diamond that's close to flawless. You just crushed somebody right now. He's all that poor bastard. I got to take this back. I'm taking it back. I couldn't think of anything less. I mean, do they sell diamonds? I don't think those sears is a thing. I don't think it is a thing. It's out of business. Like a car, a diamond is a depreciating asset since it loses a large portion of its value the second you buy it. Sorry, Adam. Yeah, think about gold and silver. What? Gold and silver appreciates. Yeah. Diamonds don't. Diamonds don't. Yeah. Interesting. I assume that like a really good diamond appreciated like gold and silver. It doesn't, huh? Soul marketing. Bro, they control the market. So there's like a few families that owned diamond mines and they only put out so many to make sure that they because if they wanted, they'd crash. There's a lot. Yeah, because it's pretty abundant as far as I've read. Is it really that abundant? As far as I read, apparently, if they wanted to, they could flood the market full of diamonds and it would. You know, speaking of that crazy stuff that, you know, it reminds me what's going on in the economy still right now is that we still have yet to see. Have you? I don't know if you've seen reports on this consumer purchasing is still high, dude. You have a credit card debt is exploding. People are charging shit. I know, but isn't that crazy that not enough people are scared to slow down the spending? Bad habits are hard to break. Like people don't want to conflict and messaging, you know, constantly. It's like, oh, we're all good. Everything's fine. There's nothing coming. Yeah, they said this wasn't a recession. No, people are reluctant to change their lifestyles. That's what I've been reading. Like they're like, I'm going to keep doing what I'm doing and just I definitely think that part of that has to do with because I remember the psychology of this when I was in my mid-20s and the house that I had bought at 300K was being valued at 500. There's a part of you that goes, oh, I got 200K in my savings. I mean, that's how I thought. So when I would go to buy something, say a car that is more expensive than I probably should spend, it was easy for me, oh, it's not that big of a deal. I've got more than that in my savings in my house. So there's a lot of people I think in the last three to five years have seen a massive increase in the value of their home that are probably thinking the same way. That's only that makes sense to me on what could cause you to be spending so much. We also haven't seen a significant decline in the economy in a long time. It's been like the roaring 20s for a while. So you're looking at a whole generation of people who. Everything was working. Yeah, everything was working. And then towards the end there, remember during the pandemic, shit was shut down and people were just making handover fists on like NFTs and weird shit, you know? So invisible things. Yeah, and it's like, this is great. That's why I always trip out when I see like a 20-something or even early 30-year-old that's like, given like all the huge on Instagram that's given all this advice on like home flipping and all that stuff. It's like our stock picking. Joey Scholes talking about crypto. Yeah, bro, real hard the last 12 years to pick a fucking good one. That's right. Wasn't Joey Scholes doing crypto? Crypto advice. I was like, dude, I am out. The guy was completely fucking out. That was the side. That day I sold everything. I was like, that's what you do. There's actually a saying like those money. I think it's a Warren Buffett saying that talks about that like when the general population knows like it's all bad. There's that one meme that's like, this guy's like, before investing in crypto and it's the guy's hand on a steering wheel and he's got a nice watch and it's obviously a nice car. It's like after investing in crypto and he's holding onto the front seat of a bus. No, no, he's holding onto the front seat of a bus. That sucks. I feel bad. Sorry if that happened to you, you know. The old most, you know. There's no such thing as a free line of views. You can't feel too bad. I don't feel too bad about this. The people that were taking the risks. The people that were going hard on that where they did it with conviction, too. Talking to shit on us were stupid. Yeah, exactly. There was a lot of people that would say that. I mean, I still get people to sign up. Bro, I had somebody call me a boomer. Yeah. On the internet. Because I'm like, I don't think this is a great way to tell people how to invest. You got to stick to the fundamentals or whatever. Okay, boomer. Yeah, that's how you guys used to do it, but this is a new economy. And I was like, ooh, you know, so I'm not sad for that guy. I mean, there's some truth to, I 100% believe it's going to change and NFTs and cryptocurrency or more so blockchain is the future. But to be so arrogant to think that because you've read a bunch of articles or you listened to somebody who sells crypto or sells NFT to be convinced that this is the one or this is exactly how we're going to implement it for the next 20-something years. The smartest people couldn't explain it. Yeah. And so it's like, and you have some YouTube guy that's like breaking it down for you. That's great. But like, I'm paying attention to people actually have all the money, what they're doing. That's not razzled dazzled by some dude that has good cats. I mean, seriously, some good advice is look at some of the most successful people, like consistently successful, not they just became successful overnight because they just sold a board ape picture or whatever. And then what are they doing? Oh, look, they're taking the money out of the market right now. I think I should probably sell. Oh, look, they're investing here. This might be a good idea. So what I'm really curious about is what we're going to see with the companies like Facebook and YouTube and Spotify and Instagram. And a lot of these, you know, Silicon Valley base type of companies that were built on valuations that were around growth, growth, growth. Doesn't matter. You're not making money. We're growing. Doesn't matter. You're not making money. We're growing. And like, Do you think that they hit their peak? They did. Oh, a hundred percent. I think it's forever. I actually think it's gone. I actually think that that time of talking about 15, 20 X a company being worth is over. And I think we're going to see a resurgence of companies like you're like an Apple, I think. So you guys remember I talked about a book called the four and it talked about the four, the four horsemen. And my pick was Apple would be the one to survivalist because it was the most cash rich. Really? There's a lot of people. Amazon back then just because they owned all the servers. Amazon think cloud. Amazon, maybe I might have alluded to the cloud back then and how powerful that might have been. But you have Amazon, you have a lot of these companies, again, that are that are valued off of the growth, more so than the actual cash flow. And I just think that it was a new way of looking at business. We didn't look at business that way 40 years ago. 40 years ago, you wouldn't go like, oh, a multiplier of, we are adding this many people, you know, that are paying customers. Therefore, we're going to be worth this much. It's like, how much money did you make last year? How much did you spend? Yep. Those are your profits. Your profits compared to another company's profits is how you really compared. Didn't somebody just do some layoffs right now? All of them. I think Amazon did. Snap, am I saying the right thing? Well, actually, look this up, Doug, because this is also what I think is coming down the pipe right now. Say the top 10 companies laid off layoffs are all the big companies that are laying off. There's a ton right now. And then you saw what Elon said about Twitter. And I think they're all going to follow him. I think he's going to come in. He's going to do the biggest cut, whether it's 75%. Some things, there's a part of me. This is going to sound mean, but there's a part of me that gets a little happy about people at Twitter getting fired and people at Instagram and Facebook. Now, I know if you worked there, but I got kicked off. So I hope whoever kicked me all against you loses your job. Really, this is all out of spite. That's what's going on. Well, it's going to force companies to run more efficiently. It has to. And instead of just raising another round and getting a bunch of money infused and grow, grow, grow, grow, grow, you're actually going to have to go like, oh, what is the average cost of every employee? Are they producing this much? How important is this job? I could make an argument that I think the social climate is going to be a nice pressure, fresh air, because people are going to be really focused on shit that matters, like paying for bills and overhead costs and not being super distracted by just nonsense. I hope. And listen, I was joking honestly. That's my hope. People lose their job. That sucks. That's really, really terrible. That sucks. It's going to be a hard time for a lot of these companies. There's going to be a lot of people, though. That's when we actually know we're really, really deep into the recession. And many times. That's usually the last, like the lagging. The lagging. And then they say 15 to eight, or excuse me, 12 to 18 months later is when the bottom is. So we haven't even seen where the unemployment starts to rise. Like when it starts getting north of 5%, we start getting 5%, 10% range. And when you start to see inflation come down, when those two cross is when you're going to start to see the real big fallout. And that fallout should go 12 to 15 months, based off of history. Obviously, I'm speculating, but off of what we've seen in the past. And so we're not even there, dude. We're not even close to. You make me feel great. I got to ask you real quick. What time is it? I just want to see which one to use. Oh, yeah. Why do you have a weird, what's going on here? So you're tracking steps at the same time? I am. And why do you have it backwards? Because I don't care to use it for anything else, but that. So my sister-in-law works for Apple. So I got this for free. And so I have a very nice, you know, step tracker is basically what an health monitor. So that's what. So it was offered to me and I said, you know what? How I have yet to use their whole health, you know, circle, whatever you call it. And I'm curious to like how accurate I've used it. It has a lot of cool features. So I was interested in that and because I'm not paying for it. So that's why two watches on you asshole for putting that out. I can't see a difference. Nobody wants to put it on her ankle. That was fair game for sure. I know I got. Although I'm going to bring that back in style. There was. Do you guys remember when you were in like six grade where you used to wear two or three watches? Yes. Yes. Swatches. Yeah. It was always swatches. I had an apple. I watched or whatever. I gave it to Jessica because I see no value in it. She wore it for a while. She took it off because it's like it just had my phone. What's the difference? So there's a few features on there, but yeah. So I'm using it for the health tracker. I just started tracking, you know, and by the way, along since you brought that up, Justin, boy. And you know, and I say, I've said this before so many times like I don't care how long I've been doing this for. Every time I revisit, you know, using my tools and tracking or in putting down my food to see exactly what I mean. I'm always surprised somewhat. Like it's not like I'm like, I knew I was low. It's always revealing. I knew I was low, but when I saw how low I was, I was like. You're chefs. Oh my God. What were you averaging? Oh, bro, like 3,000. Oh my God. Yeah. You know why I'm laughing? Because that's probably me. It's fun. All of us, I know. Yeah, that is crazy low. I mean, that is so, so low. And I know, I get it. I know my day and I knew I was low. But to see it and go like, and then to have like a day where actually I was kind of moving around. We went to the Warriors game and stuff. And then for it to not even exceed like 10,000. I went, oh my God. You're all tired. Yeah. I was like, that was a really active day. And I, and it didn't even exceed that. So it was very enlightening for me to start tracking again and just, just become aware of that. That like, wow, I'm not anywhere close to where I should be. Dude, speaking of awareness, speaking of awareness and all that. I got a message from a family member that's like, oh my God, you guys are famous. I'm like, what? Sends me a picture of Adam's Caldera commercial. That's the same. That is the same one. Bro, I'm like, we've been podc- Katrina's. So Caldera must be really put. You know why? You know what it is? Because it's face cream, face serum. So it's not like- And you have a nice face. Well, no, no, no, no, no. That's not why. He's got the cherub cheeks. You know what it is? It's because it's a product that's actually hitting outside the fitness space. That's why. That's, and that's why I work. Cause I got it. Katrina's. So people who aren't in the fitness team. Katrina's construction, you know, big old fat guy. Old dude. You know what I'm saying? He ain't working out. He listens now. Yeah, he ain't funny. I know he listens now. Man, that's me, man. He's not listening anymore now. He's on the pro. He's definitely not buying any maps programs. I'm taking my Caldera out of here. Use coupon code, bass, big old fat guy, 50 for 50% off. In fact, so yeah, so it's, it's reaching him because obviously it's connected somehow. It's the algorithm figured him out for face stream. Nothing to do with fitness. So I think what's happening is that, you know, and viewers in other brand that you don't necessarily, even though that's athleisure wear. So it's kind of closer, but I mean Caldera is completely could be out of our space. I mean, you could totally. You know how funny can I say this? I know where like this is sounds like a big commercial, but this is true. None of us used any like face serums or lotions or, none of us did. Maybe Doug did. Did you use anything? Yeah, I did. You of course you did. Look at his face. He looks like a baby. None of us, the three of us did. Now we'll fight over it in the back. Who's getting the eye cream? Who's getting the whatever? What's happening? You know why? Actually it's because it works. You notice it's, you know, got me. You notice a difference. I mean the first time I used it, I could see a difference. Had it not felt that impactful, I don't think I would have been bought into it. No, we got sold. Yeah. Because we used it to work. No, no, no. How funny is it too that I still remember when we were talking about doing the advertising, we did not think that we could carry it. I didn't think that it was something that there'd be enough people interested in it. I remember Justin was like, he was like the most. Excited. No. He was the most opposed to like, you know, we had to lie to him. What are we doing? Remember we had a trick, Justin. Like there's gasoline in it. Like yeah, you're still lying. You got to be the one to do the commercials. It's made me, I'd be the perfect like 30 day trial. Justin, it's made with gunpowder and gasoline. Oh, okay, cool. I'll put it on my face. Hey, well, speaking of commercials, since we're doing it right, you, there was something that you talked about the other day that was related to public goods. And I heard you say, hold it for public goods. We have public goods today. So microplastics, they are doing studies and they're finding microplastics in a majority of women's breast milk. And in the majority of babies or like organs, like they'll test and stuff, microplastics are everywhere. That's a little tiny pieces of plastic that were basically now just is becoming a part of. Okay, so what I would like to see on a test like that is something where they compared like the mom who, you know, or the family, I should say, so multiple generations of like, I really didn't care. They eat, they do whatever. They use all the formulas they do ever. They don't care. And then like the super, the super hippie mom who was like made the choice to like all natural, 100% everything. Oh, they did. They've done that with organic versus non-organic. So they'll, they've done studies with families and said, okay, you guys go organic. You guys do conventional. And they definitely dramatically reduce the non-organic like pesticide residue, glyphosate loads, that kind of stuff. So I don't know if they've done anything for microplastics, but the majority of the stuff you get, the microplastics you get exposed to are the ones that the products and shit that you use cause you're going to get exposed to some, right? Cause you live in the world. So how do you know, how do you know public goods is free of that? So public goods is not that they're free specifically about that, but public goods that that's like at the top of their list of priorities is low chemical, good for the environment. Good for the environment is less of these plastics, less of this waste, less of these types of things, less of these harsh chemical types. It's the types of the plastics. And there's types, right? There's certain plastics that we know that, I mean, we just removed, wow, what are they called? There was that plastic that. BPA? Yeah. Finally, like we know that causes hormone issues and shit in children. That was, you know, non-stick, like cookware still exists. For a fact, you use non-stick cookware, the traditional stuff, that chemicals is it's going to be all in your body. It permeates into the food. And your food? As you cook it. You cook with it. And so that's why if you want to use something that's non-stick, ceramic coated and stuff like that, but it's everywhere. It's everywhere, dude. It's great. Plastic water bottles. So people like to buy, you know, water and plastic water bottles. Do you know that that there's microplastics in that water? From the processing of the putting the cap on? I think that's one of the biggest contributors. I agree. You know, cause it's somewhere along the lines, I don't know when it was like, you know, the 80s or something. Like when was it when water was bottled and that was a thing? Because I still remember drinking out of faucets and then out of the hose. That was 90s, bro. That was, yeah. Cause it came in our, you know, childhood when everybody all of a sudden, you had to have like a water bottle everywhere. That you bought. That you bought. It's like the diamond thing. It is. It is. We got hustled. The title of this episode. The Diamond and Water Bottle Scam. Diamond and Plastic Hustle and Water Bottle Hustle. I'll throw them all up there together. The beers are behind it too. Hey, I have an interesting speculation. I love you guys. Like from an evolutionary standpoint. So do you know that one of the things that can trigger labor? So I know this just cause Jessica's obviously worked towards the end of the pregnancy, waiting for the baby to come. Scare him. Yeah, scare the baby out real quick. No. Seaman. Seaman. Even better. Seaman. You can combine the two. Ah! Scare him. Scare him. Scare him. Seaman. Oh my God. Wow. That's how you get divorced. Yeah. What the hell did you just throw at me? Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe. No. Seaman. The prostagladins and there's certain compounds in seaman that can induce labor. So it's just part of the reason why sex, they say, you know, I'll have sex. You build up your case right now. Huh? No, I don't know. It's all good there. But that's, so I have some theories as to why, because I was talking about this with Jessica. And I'm like, I bet you know why it triggers labor? Think about it. For most of human history, like a woman who's like close to giving birth, that's a very vulnerable time, especially during the labor process. Like you're giving birth, like you could get killed, something could happen. I need someone to provide me with food for the next few weeks when I have this infant that I can't do anything. So the presence of seaman tells the body. This is my theory. Okay. There's a guy nearby. There's a dude that likes you enough. That he's going to have sex with you. So you're cool. Go ahead and have this baby because he'll probably do shit for you. I don't know about that one. Doesn't that sound like a good theory? Or the body's just already trying his competition, wanting to prepare and speed along, speed along the, the birthing process. Why would the seaman do that? So because it's basically it's saying that it's time to make another one. So it's like, get this other one out. It's time to make another one. That's my theory. Hey, we can't do anything with this. Let's get the baby out. The baby. Yeah, I'm seriously. I just feel like it's like it tells her, you know, hey, there's somebody here that likes you enough to have sex with you. So you have this baby. He's going to stick around. You know what I mean? There's more to seaman than you know. That's, that's it. That's what I'm trying to say. Every day seaman. Yeah, it's good for you. 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What are you just doing? Wow, you just piled on. No, landmine, you're like a huge... I'm a big fan, yeah. Well, so originally, actually, I had one of my guy models was in here. That sounded worse coming out. Can we please clip that one? You got guy models? Yeah, guy models here, girl models here. Yeah, this is literally how this happened. Come out of your mouth. I'm trying to be honest. That's my problem. Go ahead, keep going. So he introduced me to this landmine university, which they're doing a lot of cool sports-specific training and really just a way to do a safer, less risk version of power cleans and powerful movements and snatch and press and honestly, too, with athletics, it's a lot of contralateral work that you don't really... It's hard to construct a programming for a contralateral-type exercise. And so this really plays well into that and is able to kind of load a lot of these movements effectively, but it takes a lot of coordination and skill to do so, but I'm excited at what they're doing with the landmines. So based off of that, do you see an increase in popularity coming down the pipe for landmine stuff? Because it really... When I was a trainer, it was like... There was like three movements or something. I mean, never. I didn't even see one. Yeah, like most of my training career, I don't think I saw a landmine until I got to the private places like where you were at. Same year. Way, way later, yeah. Well, I have a different perspective, obviously. Because you're in the athletic world. Yeah, no, I never saw a landmine stuff. It still hasn't made its way to the muscle sculpting kind of bodybuilding world, but I think it's going to because landmines provide unique resistance. First off, the anchor points on the ground. You're using a freeway and like many landmine... There's lots of athletic movements. So that's a rotational stuff and you can work on power, which is great for sports. But for even traditional muscle building exercises, very rarely do you have a movement where the resistance is hardest at the bottom and easiest at the top. So like for example, we have a shoulder press apparatus here. It's not a landmine, but it's similar in the sense that as you're doing the shoulder press, the weight is heaviest at the bottom, lightest at the top, which is interesting because I could really accentuate that full extension. From a bodybuilding perspective, that's hard to replicate with freeweights. It's almost never that way. So you could use landmine exercises to do overhead presses and lunges and back exercises like rowing movements. First off, the original landmine was a T-bar row. If you look at bodybuilders, they did T-bar and they loved the feel. T-bar row is still considered one of the best, which you still have attachments for that with the landmine. Yes, yes. So I think it's going to become more popular. I think you're going to find it in the body sculpting muscle building. Have you nailed down a date? Because I know he's going to set up I think a certification here and then you're going to shoot some content. It should be next year. I mean, they're kind of blown up much like some of these other... Well, like David Wack does a lot of work in terms of contralateral and running and real sport specific type of content. And so I feel like a lot of that was adopted in with the landmine and so they kind of combined a lot of that, which is really cool. But yeah, so they're all over the place, but we're trying to set them up next time. Sometime in the spring, hopefully next year in here. Who's the other guy that you and I like? I think I shared him first with you. He does all the explosive movement with the landmines left and right. He catches and balances. What's his name? He's got... Bro, he does fantastic sports. Crazy stuff. Yeah, yeah. He's fun. He's really fun to walk. I mean, I've gotten so many ideas off of watching some of his content. Hopefully we'll figure it out when we finish the episode. Yeah, I'll look for it. I'll look for it afterwards. But there's a great... Have you ever done like a rear delt row on a landmine, Adam? A rear delt what? So it's a row. So it's like you're doing a... It's almost like you're doing a one-on-row. Oh, you do it like this where it's kicked out to the side over here. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, either... Yes, either... And because the weight moves out, it encourages this like pulling apart motion, and you get this really amazing feel on the rear delt that I don't really... So at Brunel, we didn't have... At least I don't remember having a landmine when I was training there, when I was competing. We... I would actually use the T-bar row. See? So I used the T-bar row. I'd face it. I would... So it'd be perpendicular to me and then I would... And you'd feel in the rear delt. Yeah, uh-huh. Yeah, no, cool movement. Next question is from Mike Browning. One, why can strength go up but have no size increase after years of training? Okay, so strength, there's a lot of... There's a few things that contribute to strength. One of which is bigger muscle fibers. So bigger muscle fibers contract harder, and that's going to make you stronger. But that's not the only thing that makes you stronger. There's also your skill. So technique and skill, right? How you position your body, leverage, your ability to organize your muscles in an organized way is going to make you lift more. You also have... Central nervous system. Yeah, your central nervous system which sends the signal to the muscles to fire. You can make that... Like for example, it's said that the average person can only really summon 60% of the real potential strength. Whereas Olympic lifters who are highly trained are closer to 97% because they've trained their CNS to be able to fire and really be able to almost express most of their strength because they've gotten those governors out of the way, those safety governors. Well, yeah, to that point, I mean, if you've ever seen somebody do a sort of a superhuman feat where they have to lift a car or like it just seems impossible and all of a sudden they have like this like strength out of nowhere. It's really they've removed like a lot of the limiters and the governings that your body keeps you safe with but they're able to access now that amount of force. It's under extreme duress. Like there's stories of the mom who like lift the car to save her kid or something like that. That's also true. So your CNS. And then there's also leverage like how your body's built like the attachment points of your muscles. They're like pulleys and levers and you might have better leverage than someone else. So you might be stronger at a lift than your friend even though they're way more muscular than you are. But make no mistake eventually if you continue to get stronger and stronger and stronger and you're you're maximizing CNS output technique, you know, leverage all that stuff at some point muscles will get bigger. So so at some point you're going to see the muscles respond and get bigger. So strength is a very good. It's not perfect, but if it continues to improve over time you can almost always expect to see muscle growth to follow. There's also the potential that the person asking this question is under eating too because based on what you guys are talking about you could potentially get stronger because of more practice improve CNS stability muscles coming up all these you know just being better at the technique and yet under eating or not eating enough to grow. So your body's finding other ways to lift more. That's right. So your body is getting more proficient at the lifts and so you're seeing strength go up but you're not seeing size because you're not feeding the body enough to actually grow. So exactly that could also be a potential. So I mean this is kind of inevitable after you've been lifting for a really long time and you've kind of peeked out on your size and maybe you might inch out a little bit of more strength because of your technique improving. But if you were complaining to me if your client of mine you were complaining to me that you're just not growing and we've been training for a long time I would probably dive into your diet and see how we're feeding you. But initially initially the strength gain to muscle gain ratio it looks way different when you're a beginner than when you're advanced like if I gained 15 pounds on my bench press now I would see some muscle from that a beginner you gain 15 pounds on a lift you don't typically see too much muscle because a lot of the strength the beginner gets is just technique CNS like it's not unheard of to add you know 50 pounds to a barbell squat in six months you know with the beginner like that's that's you can do that like if I gained 50 pounds on my squat now like you're going to see some muscle on my body so that ratio of strength to muscle size starts to change as you become more advanced and you start to max out those other things. Next question is from RS bru 76 what are some hacks to get more fiber in the diet on a consistent daily basis this Adam you're good at this because you know you work so so so much with coaching and bodybuilding and fiber is I mean it's some people would say it's a it's an essential macronutrient obviously some people argue against it but it's definitely connected to better health better digestion it's also neglected a lot in the bodybuilding community because of low carb because so many people low carb and carbs typically are where the average American gets their their fiber and so if you don't actively pursue it and you're following like a bodybuilder type of diet diet your fibers low your fibers low and so there's like there's like what we would think are high oh high fiber eat high fiber cereal or high fiber processed whatever but like where would you get it naturally so I mean I would get it from berries that's my go to I think it is the biggest bang for your buck as far as how much fiber antioxidant and then it and its ratio to calories right so it's not a ton of calories but not a ton of calories and it tastes good like having berries so I normally would would tell a client any berry in particular I like blueberries blackberries right any of them are fine though I mean strawberries are probably the lowest of the high they probably provide the most sugar and most calories in comparison to the other ones in relation to how much fiber content they have but yeah berries would be a mix bowl of berries and then I would do like a big spinach salad in their day and that would boost up their fiber and it would be common I get and this became a talking point for me more so after my experience in the competitive world because it was so common it was almost always I would take on I normally took on somebody else who had already been with a coach and the coach purely just did the whole cut calorie thing and cardio ramp up screw up metabolism stuff and then I would get them and then I would assess and one of the common things I'd see is these like chicken breasts vegetable diets low carb to to get shredded and I'm like Jesus you're getting like no fiber you wonder why you have to get a shit in three days like let's have and then I would I would and they would and it's funny because I remember originally to that's one of the questions on the questionnaire last time it became one of the first things I would ask what you know and which you know I think maybe some trainers find that an awkward conversation but I would because it's so important for health yeah it is and it's and it's overlooked many times in the the competitive diet world as like because they're they're all purely calories looks and that's what they're talking about and so I mean right away I would I would ask that and nine times out of ten their stool would be off and nine times out of ten the simple fix was literally just getting them more five now you know what's interesting about fiber is there's different kinds of fiber and more fiber isn't always better and it depends on the person for example people with IBS or irritable bowel syndrome or issues too much fiber can be poison can be bad in extreme cases fiber people react poorly to fiber that's why you'll see people say I feel so much better on the carnivore diet right anything that causes fermentation or causes that you know that's fibrous that's digestible in that sense can cause issues for some people and there's different kinds of fiber like I can eat high fiber like brand or something like that and that'll mess me up if I well cooked vegetables I feel perfectly fine berries I feel perfectly fine so it's not all fibers created equal so if you know what is it about that because I agree with you that's the same that's the same experience that I have it's like the difference of like a normal stool to a like super loose stool yeah right so eating some of the things that you're talking about like that what I would get that feeling from that versus if I just have some berries or a big salad like that I sit so soluble and insoluble fiber and then there's fiber that feeds certain bacteria and some fibers that can can ferment in the gut so depending on the your gut microbiome certain you can eat certain types of fiber soluble fibers that'll cause gas and bloating and then there's other ones that like I take so I take psyllium husk two or three times every single day psyllium husk is a non soluble fiber so it doesn't your body doesn't absorb it but what it does is it draws in liquid it and it goes and it helps things pass through the system and I find that it just really does a great job for my digestion and people with like gut issues will find that as well you can also do like flaxseed powder and stuff like that so they're not all the same my point with that next question is from Gweedod three what are the pros and cons for each of you when it comes to having or not having a degree that's a fun question did you see that for the first time in a long time college applicants have dropped see that I saw I think it was Gary V talked about he did he pointed that out you know why so this is a conversation that nobody had when I was a kid first of all layout everybody's everyone's schooling here between the four of us what's going on well Doug and Justin have formal degrees and Adam and I barely dropouts yeah I have a BS degree for sure yeah you both have degrees right both yeah what's yours in BS yeah so I want the business business oh yours is business yeah yours is kinesis or study it yeah right yeah yeah and you did you did you go you actually I actually your AA right I didn't finish my I'm all I'm literally like I think I was like you needed 72 units or something for your AA and I had like 58 or something like that so I wasn't I wasn't that far off from finishing yeah I did over two years even though I wouldn't count two years like of like two and a half years of like kind of going to school yeah I took two classes like literally like went in sat down by the end of this semester it was about two classes for me oh yeah I started off with always like over a full load and then I would no I don't mean to like classes like the whole class I mean I showed up oh yeah I showed up a little bit more than it wasn't very much it wasn't for me because I had a hard I love learning you guys know that I love learning I love exploring things I pursue knowledge and pursue information but getting me to sit down and learn something I don't want to learn yeah like you know what you're forcing you're forcing a square peg and around as they didn't happen you know what killed me was so I went to junior college so I have to confess that it was I didn't have the experience of like a state school or a cool university or anything like that but I remember hearing everyone you know that was much older than me talk about oh college years are so amazing and college is so amazing everyone and then it literally felt like extended high school to me it was that's all except for the teachers didn't give a shit if you showed up that was the only difference like the classes the stuff was I was learning and reminding me of most of stuff I just did in my senior year high school I was like it was clicky still the same way campus it was just that it was such an awful experience that I remember I after and I must simultaneously you started your career in fitness we yeah I mean I actually came over to the Bay Area to finish my degree to transfer from De Anza and go to San Jose State because it's kinesiology department is well known right and I fell into the job so that actually was the plan was to keep finishing school so I was still gonna power through it as much as I didn't like it that was this did I was like I was cruising back home where I was with my friends and party and a girlfriend and all that shit and I was like I need to remove myself from that I need to come to an area where I know nobody my grandmother was who lived in San Jose and so I was like I'm gonna live with her where I have no friends I have no but the focus and get this shit out of the way and being between the time that I got here and the time that the semester started I got a gym membership and then got a job that was originally going to be part-time that turned into full-time and the rest was yeah so I so I was going to go to school for physical therapy became a trainer at 18 within four months I was a fitness manager was a fitness manager for a few months and then the college season started or whatever signed myself up for classes showed up twice absolutely hated it and I remember I had a conversation with my manager and I said I got to figure this out I got to go to school and he goes why you know what do you want to do and I said I think I want to do physical therapy because you want to work in a clinical setting I'm like I didn't even think about it I was a kid and I'm like no I don't I don't want to work in the club I want to work in the gym experience and he goes show me your paycheck so I you know we had just got paid to show my paycheck that because you're making more than a physical therapist right now you like what you do and I said I love this and he goes why don't you just do this and I said my parents will be so upset so my manager who ended up becoming one of my first mentors came to my house and sat down had dinner with my parents that's a while and had this conversation with my parents and me and him tag team my parents close and the deal was my parents were like because you know my parents are immigrants and like we want our kids to have an education to all that stuff and I said am I like I always worked hard I was always responsible so did you give yourself one year like I did that was it that's what I did so I made the deal my parents say let me let me do this for a year I'm already making more than a physical therapist is I love it let me do this for a year if at the end of the year then it doesn't work out then I'll so I want to I want to point out well how important that because what the question is pros and cons for each of us right so something that I think that is so important because we I remember when you for something like literally that was I made a deal one year I said if I really love this thing supposedly and it's supposed to take me where these people are saying it's gonna take me and I know if I put my mind to it and I and I really give it everything I got then you know in a year's time I should know yeah right and I just think that that that is so important because if we would just not went to school and had kind of a laissez-faire attitude about the direction that we were going totally different total different experience but the fact that you know we didn't even know each other and that that was a very important conversation that you have with your parents and the conversation I have myself which is I'm giving this thing one year which I literally took very few days off in that year I was constantly reading I was constantly learning I was constantly reaching out for people to help me admit to seriously very very serious same here and I think that's that's the key here is that if that when they look at the data and they say oh if you go to college if you don't go to college what's your earning potential what they're not controlling for is a lot of people that don't go to college just don't don't want to do anything but if you took the people who didn't go to college because they knew what they wanted to do and they worked hard whether it be they work in a trade or they're entrepreneurs or whatever they exist and you control them against the college people the people who just graduate I think you'll see a very different comparison what's like the only detriment really of not is not having the title right like if you're going to podcast you're not you know the PhD or the whatever right like in terms of access of like you know in the academic world I would say that would probably be do you agree to a hundred percent and it depends on the field obviously there's still barriers to enter you know you can't become a doctor without formal education well yeah and I mean that's kind of my other point in terms of like the value of actually getting a degree is really if it's very specifically necessary for you know the profession that you want to then go acquire so I was actually on that same path of trying to get my physical therapy and then go to school after I went to school and I just it just it was like again square peg and around hole for me as well to where I was just like forcing my way to the end in the the whole time not really in working my ass off to just prove a point to myself and in you know everybody else that it was just like I can do this and like I was always overlooked or whatever like my brother was the one that it just came easy to him and it drove me crazy it like school is really difficult for me in that setting so that was really just it was to prove to myself like I set out to do this I'm going to complete it and you know I'm going to see where the chips fall after this but I readjusted my focus and kind of was just like here I'm just going to graduate and then I'm going to get a real job and then go from there and like try and like work my way into a career at that point and it kind of took me in different paths and I got to the point where I was like in the gym setting again and I've always loved the gym and it was it was just kind of one of those weird things that like it's loosely applicable you know stuff I learned like I definitely can kind of think back and I'm like oh there's some courses I took that I do somewhat reference mentally but for the most part I I would see it being most beneficial for somebody that it's super specific in terms of like what you need to know in order to be good at your job. Okay yeah that's all settled we all agree on that but personally from you and Doug I'm really curious like if you guys had to like list like these are the pros for going these are the cons what is that list look on the money. Okay right away to forever pay that off. Let's see other cons I would say it's just part of like that I could be what's hard to say right because like I could say that like I could have got further in my career if I would have not gone to school and like knew what I was wanted to do but I didn't really know right so you wouldn't you wouldn't so that's technically a pro I would say a pro would be it helped you figure out your path. Yeah right going through all these classes you probably if you actually hated what you were learning you probably would have not came out and fell in the career in the career you did right so that's right that's a pro yeah yeah so that's a pro I honestly it's it's because I love the experience I'd have friendships and everything I developed and went in I was in a bunch of weddings of guys and whatnot that you know I became really good friends with and so relationship wise it was definitely positive there's actually there's a lot of positives for me because it really put me out of my comfort zone I had to you know move across the country get away recreate myself reinvent myself so it was it was a bit of like a journey for me in terms of like coming to where I'm now yeah but it's it's really it's it's the money that you could have destroyed you could have literally done all that for way cheaper and made money instead of paid for it if you think about it that's really the whole point yeah you know what okay so I have when you're done okay I'm tired of hearing your story this is a very well no well I have a good point of view because I have I have kids that are applying for college now but I want to hear Doug because when you went to college very different than when Justin went and now that my kids are going it's very different in terms of the cost before yeah I think was like three hundred seventy five dollars a quarter when I went yeah damn that's it three hundred seventy to five dollars a quarter and of course you know every quarter seemed to go up that's like an Ivy League school too no it was a public school okay yeah okay I mean for me I I wasn't very clear what I wanted to do with my life when I went to college and by the time I got done I wasn't still wasn't very clear and I was kind of following other people's paths when I went but I I felt like I needed a degree you know that was like a mandatory for me and so I went and a lot of the things I learned I mean I'll ask me now what I learned and ninety percent of the stuff I have no idea because it wasn't that impactful for me I went to the business school I had a double concentration in accounting and marketing now the accounting stuff is extremely practical if you're going to be an accountant which by the time I got done with that program I had no desire to be an accountant yeah the marketing on the other hand was for me it wasn't impactful at all I mean the stuff I've used in marketing since then has been totally outside of anything I really learned in school so a lot of that was just kind of throwaway stuff so I think that's a really good example of stuff that you can learn on your own like marketing is something you can learn on your own you could probably learn it better than you can at a university accounting is you know it's a more practical type of profession so that made a lot of sense looking back on it I'm glad I have the degree one I couldn't have worked in Japan which I did for six years without it I couldn't have gotten my visa so if you need a job and it requires a degree then it's good to have it it was a great experience I mean I think the discipline you get from going to class and studying and preparing for tests I think there's some disciplines you learn from that process that you can take into your life as well but all in all you know looking back on my life the accounting stuff I use now some of it not to the extent I learned it but I learned a lot of tax information I took a couple of tax classes at the university and those were actually a couple of my best classes the guy I had the class from was actually a practicing tax attorney and he had bringing cases that he was working on in the real life in the real world and so it was very interesting so tax was actually interesting for me and I've been able to really you know do things for taxes not only for prior businesses but even the current business so I think that is an unbelievably served us you know for sure that your background in that because of I mean you handle all of that within our business and I have I had no desire to do that part or even learn that part so the fact that even if you don't really like it as much you have the most experience and knowledge around it and you just kind of take that on at the very that's a very crucial part of this business and at the very least you know what questions to ask yeah that that is the key thing so when you say handle it I don't actually handle everything you just know how to interface with the bookkeeper the cpa and then I can ask questions I mean we have got the experience different definitions of handling I would still call that handling well it's handling because if you you didn't do it if you didn't oversee it it wouldn't get handled yeah I'm not preparing returns or anything like that no I mean a good leader is not doing a lot of the stuff he's able to delegate much of what is getting done but if you did not have that skill set to oversee that it would be a a gaping hole in our business yes I don't think tax returns would have made it in for the past eight years so if you guys want to go back now so all things if you were to go back and do it again knowing what you know now knowing where you're like would you do it again still or would you not do it because of what you know now that's a really tough question because it was part of the journey yeah bro that's a really tough question it's like it's like asking you like would you change anything about your child I mean you can't because it's we who you are now so that's really tough I felt was necessary for me individually to you know put me where I am today but it's just yeah like I'd it was all part of development yeah the market so different now that's that's the big thing the reason why this is a a question people ask now is the cost of the product is so expensive that now people have to do a market analysis they didn't have to necessarily before before was just get a degree and they could organize your education for you especially before the internet right Doug you want to learn stuff it was harder to organize and find information they would they would facilitate it for you and the cost was so low it was really a no-brainer today it's so expensive this is the conversation so I have kids that are going I have a son that's going to college and have a daughter they'll be going in you know four or five years so I have to really consider this and what I tell my kids is yeah college is great if the the degree you get has market value that's worth more than the cost of the degree otherwise if you want to learn something you can learn for free which is not very much anymore there's not a lot you're right that the degree 100% there's there's very few jobs unless it's very specific that the the actual degree will you know pay for itself through a career otherwise if you're going to spend you know $50,000 or you go to like a really expensive call $100,000 yeah and you get a degree in something that has no market value you can learn the same stuff if you're really passionate about for free because the internet it makes it so easy so it make and meanwhile work well a job and actually make money yeah I was going to say like now they have opportunities like at Apple Facebook where you could come in and it basically get paid as an intern and like work your way up through the rankings learn everything you need to learn and grow and within that framework so I mean there's there's different it's a different landscape now so you come back to that question like if it if I was in this setting now where there's more opportunities where I didn't have such you know high overhead to less expensive path for sure so it's funny because then the reason why I'm asking is because I actually have the opposite feeling I would go I would go I would if my if I had the money and the resources to say go to you know a like a good a big name college I would go but my reasons would be different one of them obviously selfishly would be for the experience I would just be in a fraternity no I would not would not be fraternity that's a little straighted no not only that I'm the type person yeah yeah maybe I would start one you'd be like me and like the I was an honorary member just because I was like lived in a house that was right next door so they all the parties and I didn't have to do any other secret nonsense I actually think one of the most beneficial things that nobody said about going to college is actually the networking that you get so I mean and I think of like for example Katrina's last job when she worked for JJ Albany's one of the biggest construction companies in the bay area I think that I think they're into thousand plus employees a ton of employees and it blew my mind when I was walking through the office one day and introducing a meeting everybody for the first time and Katrina I was telling her oh man everybody seems like they're such good friends that she's like oh yeah they all went to Bellarmine this one with the Bellarmine this one to Bellarmine this one they all went to the same school and it's you know a prestigious school though a lot of smart kids are going to come out of there so I think that there's a a lot of value and I don't know how many times I've seen that before where somebody is working with somebody and they went to college together they were college buddies who when he got done with his degree called him up and said and so it's so you know sometimes it's not what you know it's who you know and being connected to other educated people that had other opportunities I think there's a lot of leverage and potential and that there's total potential out of the school and bones huh yeah you know with the bush family or whatever no there's there's definitely that but for the average person you know because you're talking about like like Ivy League colleges where you make the real connect I go to Stanford go to Harvard like you're going to potentially make some yes totally but like yeah I would not waste my time with the path I was going which is junior college and then some cheap but the vast majority of people for sure you know that they're not going to do that because either they can't get in it's too expensive or whatever yeah and so what's happening right now is they're doing a cost benefit and now yeah but it's so important though back to my original point that I said is that and the same thing that actually both these guys said for them that it provided this structure they didn't know what they wanted to be and I think that at that time in your life when you're like 18 years old it's such an important thing to and if the and why you and I had such great success we knew what we wanted was yeah we had a very clear goal and we put we put our head we not only do we we had a clear go we like we're we had a timeline even we would say like I got a crush in a year so we both applied sir that had to be a massive reason why we both saw success we had as young as we did but that's that's true for both like whether you go to college or you don't if you don't have that attitude and focus given college gives you four years to to not have that focus bro there's a lot of there's a lot of Starbucks grease does there's a lot of degrees oh no there's a lot of guys that go to college and they fuck it off for four years and they get out and they're still high and drunk from the four years and they're still at zero you're right but then there's a lot of guys like both of them who kind of figure it out and then they get out and they fall into something they do really well for themselves I think that so here's my question do you think that the attitude if someone has the right attitude it almost in my opinion doesn't matter which direction they go they're going to do well if you have the right attitude yeah no if you if you're to if you do not want to go into being a lawyer or something that but you are a highly motivated person where if I you're the type person where if you you call me up and I said read this book then this book then this book and then that book and then get back to me and then we'll move from there you're the type person that will go execute and do that you're going to be fine yeah because I that is what I learned by not going to college and and I learned the hard way through hard knocks of failing and getting back up and feeling is when once I found that thirst for knowledge like that and then and that started to really accelerate because then I could I could focus on exactly what I wanted to learn and then look at look for the best books the best people in that space the leader and start to consume all that and then in a relatively short time I could go from somebody who knew very little about a subject to knowing quite a bit yeah and and if so if if you're the type of person that that fires you up you will go after that you go do that then yeah schools a waste of time because you could be way more you get a lot more you don't need to be wasting your time in history 101 because you've just consumed four books on marketing or you know if or whatever you know saying like so and today it's it's a weird climate right information is super accessible almost or totally free and higher education is super expensive so their their their products are losing value left and right which is why we're seeing the drop at admission it's an interesting time I think this is the beginning of the end of traditional education that's my opinion not saying it's going to end tomorrow I agree that but I think in 20 years it's going to look very different because it doesn't make any sense for a lot of people so I do wish people like learned more history though so we didn't keep repeating these stupid mistakes and falling to proper or stop rewriting history but there you go absolutely look if you like our podcast head over to minepumpfree.com and check out our guides we have guides that can help you with almost any health or fitness goal you can also find all of us on social media so Justin is on Instagram at mine pump Justin Adam is on Instagram at mine pump Adam and you can find me on Twitter at mine pumps out this one's really important and that is to phase your training if somebody trains for a full year doing a bench press and they're always aiming for five reps if you compared that person to a person who did bench press where they did three or four weeks of five reps but then they did three or four weeks of 12 reps and then three or four weeks of let's a 15 to 20 reps and then they'll throw on some supersets at the end of that year you're going to see more consistent progress from the person who's moving in and out and less injury that's another thing you'll see less injury as well