 Big shit, it's a unique hustle nigga, big shit, big shit, big shit, name another podcast like this. Check it, check it, check it, it's a unique hustle, it's your boy, E-CEO, and I'm here with the lovely Amazing. Mr. Mako, what's going on? None of them down. Man, hey, we got a special guest in here, man. He really don't need no introduction. He's been here, he frequents the show. That's how I get to messing around when somebody just come a couple of times. He's a frequenter. Check it, man. My boy DeRoe, music is in the building 63. What's going on, man? Ah, man, I'm good. You know, I'm recovering from that whole... Man, didn't it hurt? Didn't it hurt? Yeah, man. We weren't supposed to get out there no first round. Man, don't you? We don't got no business losing to the $49,000. What you think about it, man? When we going to make it, man? Man, honestly, you know, I don't know what's up with this shit. We lost all our home games, man. You know what I'm saying? We won all the way games. You know, we got the squad. I don't know. What I see, we just ain't coming out there with that energy. You feel me? Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, coming out there timid, you feel me? We build on the second end. Yeah. But, man, I don't really want to say what I really want to say, man. Shout out to the boy. Shout out to the star. Shout out to the cowboy, man. You know, overall, they still hit a good season. Every team don't make it to the playoffs. But, yeah, we need to change that narrative, you feel me? We should at least definitely got to the second round for show. But, you know, people want to see the Cowboys take their stretch now. You know what I'm saying? You think? It's been too long. It's been too long. You were so mad yesterday, because I got at home. Especially at home. They shouldn't have been playing like that at home. Facts, facts. They didn't come out there like especially against the 49ers. They ain't man. The 49ers play well on a fast pace. Yeah, they did. But they ain't that special for the team. Like the Cowboys, of course I'm going to say this because they're the best. But they the better team, you feel me? But like I tell anybody when they come to football and the playoffs, man, it's whoever play that day. It's a whole new season. Anybody can get beat. You see basketball is seven games. The best team going to win. You know what I'm saying? But in football, the best team that day going to win. You know what I'm saying? You can be a way better team. You know what I'm saying? We saw that that year New England went undefeated and then lost to the Giants who was eight and eight in the Super Bowl. You know what I'm saying? Because they came that day, whoever come on that day. So the Cowboys, we didn't show up to the second half. You know what I'm saying? And in the playoffs, you just can't do that. You know, we was playing from behind. Even though we suppose got that last play of the game though. You know what I'm saying? And we was playing against the refs, you know? But we suppose at least get that little last play at 24-yard line. You know what I'm saying? And he ran into the ref and they said the game was over. Man, I seen you out there, man. I was, I seen y'all. I seen you. I was like, man, my boy out there, I need to be. I had action at it though. I had action at some 50-yard line tickets. And I just didn't go in on them. You know, I should have went in on them, but I didn't. I should have been right there with you. I wasn't going to miss that game, man. I had to out of the game, man. You know, I probably hit half the home games this year. You know what I'm saying? When I'm in town, I try and hit all of them, but I don't know how it's been in the city, but I wasn't missing that one. You still got a deal, like some kind of agreement with the Cowboys? Yeah, yeah. We actually re-upped the deal maybe two months ago. Yeah, they signed in for the big touchdown to license that record, you know what I'm saying? After my deal, so we re-upped the deal. So we actually was going to shoot the video for big touchdown. We would have won this game. The next game would have been away in Tampa, but they was going to do a watch party at the stadium, AT&T stadium. We were going to do a watch party for the Cowboys, and we was going to shoot the majority of the video that week, I mean, at the game. And then even if they would have allows, with the Cowboys, we always do everything like a year ahead. So we would have shot it, and then we would have put it out at the pre-season of this next season. Next season. Which we're still going to do, but now we're going to have to shoot the video at the pre-season game. You know what I'm saying? Which is still cool. So but long story short, you know, we're doing the whole merch thing, the merch, the song, and the pre-game performances. You know, I did, we played Arizona at the last home game before this one. They booked me for a pre-game performance. You know what I'm saying? So yeah, next year we're trying to get that halftime though. We're trying to get that halftime. I'll show a whole show, man. I want to see you rock out on the halftime. So once we put out that big touchdown video at the top of the season and get that role, then we're going to talk about the halftime show. Man, that's dope, man. You got to feel proud, man, because I don't see nobody with that type of action dealing with the, you know, with NFL teams, man. That's not, that's feeling far in between, right? Is there anybody else that got something going on? Nah, it was the first, the deal I deal with the first NFL to hip hop deal ever. You know what I'm saying? Nobody ever done one. You know, the NBA dabbling with some hip hop and Chance the rapper here did some of the baseball team out there with the White Sox or Red Sox, which they all won the Chicago team, but nobody ever, you know, done anything with football in the field. You know, it's a conservative sport and especially when you smile at the Cowboys. So it ain't really just that, you know, they wasn't that open to hip hop from the jump. But you know, 2013, I came with like the right type of music, came with the grind hustle, and they was already a brand, you know what I'm saying? And it helped that you were from here. Exactly. You know, so I had a lot of fans within the organization, you know what I'm saying? And all that's in the Cowboys organization, the business, marketing and all that. So when they started looking for, I guess they kind of wanted to like step out the country. I mean, they're gonna always do the country music, but they wanted to add on to that. And a lot of people within the organization was like, hey, we should get the role to do an anthem. And then as somebody reached out, we put it together and it just started snowballing. And so I did that in 2016. We did the first real deal. And you know what I'm saying? We just re-up on it every year. Every other year, change incentives, do different things. And now we back at it. So it's a yearly deal. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? So it's a situation where, you know, they support me. You feel me? And then we rock out. You know, sometimes they come with different situations. And you know, if I approach them and be like, hey, this would be a dope idea. We should do this. Boom, they with it. You know what I'm saying? That's good. Do you ever do anything with the players? The players are tricky because I learned this the first year I did an anthem. So the first anthem I did in 2013 is called This Our Town. We went all out with the cowboy. They shot it. But in my mind then, you know what I'm saying? But during the first time, I was like, I'm going to show the players love. You know, I was naming like this, Brian, I think I named them, not the Barkers Lawrence, but I forgot who else we had. We had somebody. We had somebody I named and then the next year that they were traded. You know what I'm saying? There's what was traded the year after that. Somebody else I forgot our name was in there and boom. So the anthem still stays still used that, but those names are irrelevant. So I started learning to make it more generic. That makes sense. So on the music side, you know what I'm saying? I really try and keep everything generic, just cowboy, city, what represent me. You know what I'm saying? And I learned that. But as far as the players like outside of that, you know, yeah, you know, I'd have been to a few cowboy like, or to venture, you know what I'm saying? We kicked the big dag, Zeke, all them, you know what I'm saying? He was the big boy. Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying? Of course. But you know, at the same time, I try with me and I'm just being real like, I know one of my closest homies, Michael Crabtree, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Ty Harris talked about him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Shout out to Ty. He was here the other way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We got some stuff coming with Ty, man. Okay, okay, whoa. Man, Ty just did a record. I think we're shooting that video next week, too. I like Ty. He's so, he a humble dude. But he's straightforward, too. Yeah, he's very talented. Very talented. Yeah, he a real artist. I like the fact you're doing work with people here in Dallas. Yeah, I like people like Ty because, you know, he's something that the city need. You know, he a real artist. He made good music. He just all around with it, you know what I'm saying? Like you say, humble. Very humble. But at the same time, Hungry. Exactly, yeah, exactly. You know, coming from the city, you got to have that kind of grime in you, you know what I'm saying? And he got that. But nah, homie, when I heard him, when I heard him, see I'm the type of person where I see, I get sold on the art. If you dope enough, you know what I'm saying? And I really think you a co-artist. Then yeah, we're gonna work, you know what I'm saying? So, you know, he came to the studio when Crabtree brought him to the studio. We had met at the studio and, you know, he was just basically showcasing what he could do. And I was impressed. You feel me, homie, homie got it, you know? So it was only right for us to get some work in, but shout out to Crabtree. So is there anybody else in Dallas that you are gonna start working with other than him? I mean, I'm a producer for the most part from Dallas, you know what I'm saying? Over the years, man, I pretty much work with everybody. You know, a lot of people, you know, me and three got records that, you know, some out, well, one out, I got records released with three I ain't put out yet, you know what I'm saying? You gonna put them out? Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna put it out, you know what I'm saying? I'm gonna put the record out. Well, I got a fire track with three that I'm gonna put out, you know, at some point, you know what I'm saying? More than likely to be this year. You know, Man Trap got some, I mean, just all throughout the year at some point, man, Tum Tum just did something new, you know what I'm saying? I gotta get Tum Tum. Yeah, I almost had him before the end of the year. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no. You gotta get Zilla, man. Yeah, I'm gonna get him, I'm gonna get him, man. It's only a matter of time now. Yeah, so, yeah. Any East Texas artists you've worked with? East Texas, nah, I ain't familiar with no East Texas artists. Well, you performed, walked that walk at the Park and Roe Club on 59 Cup. The guy who owned it was here and he said it. Oh, yeah, nah, nah, oh, so I done, yeah, I know. No, he performed now there, but he doesn't ever work with nobody. Yeah, a lot of that there. He shows, I rock with Tyler, Marshall. Yeah, that was it, that's where it was. You had just started back then. Yeah, and over the years they always show love, like I always at some point go back, even if it's to the TJC, just something will come up, you know what I'm saying? But I haven't worked with no artist yet. I don't think I ever came across, I mean, I'm pretty sure they got... Because he has a smoothie, he's from East Texas, but he just got signed with 1501. Oh, oh, yeah, it's a lot of orders. I know what's selling, you know what I'm saying? I don't give it wrong, like I know what's in fact there. It's sporadic as hell now though, you don't know what's coming from where. Anybody can come up and just come from anywhere and just rap. That's one of the pros of the internet, you know what I'm saying? No matter where you from, you feel me? Before we get off that football though, I got to go back because shout out to Boss Man Fat. I've been trying to, you know, he rap. Boss Man Fat? He on the squad, he's new on the Cowboys. You got to look him up, and you got to inspire him to go and bring some music. You got to find him, just find him. Boss Man Fat, we talked, I DMed him a few times, he was like, man, give him up. He asked Nick, I need an interview, he loved it. I think he came from, he was good in college, he's a cornerback I believe, but he was good in college, but he liked rap. I'm telling you, you got to check him out. Okay. But he ain't, he's hiding it now. You know, Jerry won't let that nigga rap right now. Yeah. He'll rap his hand around in football. Thanks, man. And that's another thing, yeah, you know, I try and get the player of the space, man, because I know that world, that's what I was getting at. I know that world, like, it's real, if you're athlete and then you start getting enticed into, or getting exploited into like other sides of entertainment, we're saying that now with AB. But that's kind of a different case. That's a good thing, I'm wondering, but like the sports, or they shot, they shun that, you know what I'm saying? And they mind, they think that you can't be this and that, or if you doing this, you can't be that focused doing that, you feel me? Which really ain't true. It's just, so you know what I'm saying? Like I said, to say is sometimes when athletes get seen with rappers to the organization, it ain't the best look, you know what I'm saying? I know. And I learned that first hand, you feel me? Yeah, no, I get it. But you know, it is, you know, it is what it is. And then we come in, and then the Cowboys is, that's, we the Cowboys, well-conservative team, you feel me? So it's like, it really ain't like, you know, this ain't the Atlanta Falcons, you know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? Taylor just talked about that, Taylor Taylor. Yeah, he said it was different. When he went down there from Cleveland, he was like, this is home. He went to Atlanta and he said, it was like, it was a magic city in the Jerusalem. Throwing dice at everything. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, it's different cultures, you feel me? Yeah, yeah, so. No, but you mentioned AB. What did you think about what he did? I was going to ask that. AB, when he did that. First of all, you know, I've seen a lot of AB, you know, throughout his football career. He literally wanted to best receive and come through the game, you know what I'm saying? So I respect him on their side. And I feel like, now as far as the scenario, I ain't really, I don't really know too much in inside. Because nobody know what happened. You know, people to say different that, but you really don't know what happened, you know, and why this, this, and that. So I can't really say if homie was this or that on that situation. But as far as just the whole thing, I mean. Can there's a lot of politics in football? It is. It is a lot of politics. And I think AB is just one of those guys. Like you get very few people like AB. AB, the only person that really did that and was full on successful was D'Unsounders. Yeah. Where you know what I'm saying? You playing both sides, you athlete, and then you, you know, you're a star, you're entertaining, you, you, you know, you're rapping or you got that type of lifestyle. Yeah. Only people put it off in sports is D'Unsounders. That's it, that's it. And out of that, to that extent. But then you got people like AB who, you know, who had that persona. But like, and it fell unless, one thing about D'Unsounders, he did what he did on the field. You feel me? Like the whole time. I mean, he, from what I know, he never really had no issues. It was easy for him seamless when he would play football. Yeah, exactly. You know, he was just, he was just that guy. You feel me? You know, Muhammad Ali was that guy. Yeah. That showboat. Yeah. But he, he, he backed it up. So it's like, you got to do that the whole time in the moment where they can find this and that, man. They go, they don't, from my perspective, but they don't like, particularly them type of players. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? They feel like they can't control you. Exactly. You know what I'm saying? So if you that type of player, you got to really control your narrative and you just got to make them respect you. That's what a Deion Soundless did. Because at the end of the day, no matter what he did out at the field, when he got on the field, he was that dude. Yeah, that's a problem. And he never really had a decline in his career. And that you can't do without me. You can't find another one of me right now. Yeah. Well, Deion is one of the unique players of him. Ever. So like, he never had a decline in his career. Exactly. You feel me? He did this on this team and this team and came to the Cowboys and did this and everywhere. So it's just like, he may, but just say if he wasn't doing that on the field, but was having a lifestyle, they would have gave him, he would have had that type of problem. So it's just like the balance, you know what I'm saying? And like I say, I don't think AB couldn't do that, but I think that just a different type of system. Do you think his career is done? Talent wise, no. You know, as far as if he got it, he could play at the highest level definitely. He still got it. So it's just more about, man, I think he needs to play with some, I think he needs to be over there with like Carolina, apparently. He need to be like Cam Noon or something like, it's just, it's all about the system. Nori, as far as just, yeah, a lot of, I would say the majority NFL ruled him out, but I, you know, I still feel like he's, he's so talented of a player that it's good. That's some team a lot. Because I need to be one team. Yeah, that's the only chance. Oh, it's definitely a team or two or three or four that's like, we could use that. You feel me? And if they, if they, if they feel like the ruler of it is not necessarily what people think it is, then they, they might take their chance, but I can see some teams where he could, he will fit. And those teams will be smart to pick up a A, B. And I think he still, he said, he want to play football. You know, he still want to play football. But because the fifth side of it to me would be like any team that pick him up, I would think that he would be going out there and playing all his heart out because he going in for revenge against anybody. You know what I mean to show? Well, and then he, he just that dude too, when they feel like he ain't, he got it. Just when you got it like that, you just going to go out there and you're going to play, especially if you get the opportunities and you get with the right system, right, people that you like playing with, you know what I'm saying? He fit in and then you'll see a whole different type of player. So if he can find that, yeah, but as far as just NFL and what I know about the NFL, man, they, they, they trying to rule homie up. Just cause they don't want to deal with that type of persona. They don't want to, what you, they don't want to cultivate that persona. You feel me? They feel like they can't control. They wouldn't be able to control it. I guess they don't want to inspire AB like players. Yeah. But you know what I'm saying? If they, if they got that, if they got them AB skills, then you got to let the players be, sometimes letting the players just be, be a certain way. Let them be a dog. Yeah. They get out there. They get out there. More. Yeah. Like a deal of sounders. I feel like the stuff he was doing off the field inspired him on the field. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. He said a lot too. You know, he always like dress good, feel good, play good. You know what I'm saying? The unsounder was a player that was inspired by the stuff that he was doing off the field to go on the field and, you know what I'm saying? And expand on that. So, yeah. So do you, do you feel like all the getting over to just the music a little bit? Do you feel like Dallas, how do you feel about how the music is going in the city right now? I can only really speak on what I'm doing and what I'm about to do. Hey, you got your ears to the, you got your ears to the streets. I know I feel like the city up, you feel it with the music. See, one thing about city, the Dallas, but the city of Dallas is, it always been here. The talent, the style, the, you know what I'm saying? The charisma, all that. You know, the uniqueness, the sound. You feel me? Always has been in Dallas. We always hit there. And that'll always be here. So when somebody asks me how I feel about this, the city of Dallas or the state, I feel, at any given moment, it can spark just because you got all these different variables here. Like anybody who knows who come with what they come with can get it popping because it's a big city with a lot of talent. And you know what I'm saying? We got a lot of history and we got people that have been putting on for us. So I feel like it's actually easier to come out of Dallas right now than it is any other time. But as far as the state of it right now, I mean, I guess you can say it's kind of quiet in one way, but the talent here, you feel me? As long as that's there and the people here, which the people are going to be here, more people moving here, you know what I'm saying? There's a lot of stuff going on, you know, COVID since COVID. The population is a lot. Yeah. So to me, you just got to know, I think the city getting bigger. I think the, what you call it, the eyes on, I think it's more, I'm more tired. That's what I think it is, more eyes of, especially because I've heard a lot of people say that Texas have the biggest bloggers out here. Yeah, in Dallas. So because of that also. East Texas. It's bringing more eyes out here and a lot of people are putting music industry people on their platforms. So making more people look at them, people who they've never seen before. Coming up new artists that are like, oh, okay. And go listen to their music. So I think that also helps with putting eyes on people here. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Yeah. Now I see, I see it like, I guess people see everything different. And that's the fact. I see it in the, you know what I'm saying, in the best places ever been just because I know where it came from. Nah, just because I know that it's from a music standpoint and an artist standpoint and a rapper standpoint, it can get popping quick. You know what I'm saying? You got a lot of seats in the place. It can get popping quick. So even when cities died down or there ain't no momentum, I know that can change in the amount of a month or two. You know what I'm saying? So I look at a city whether they got talent or not, do we got enough seats for anything to even manifest into something? You can pick up some cities and they just don't got enough of what cities like even our city got. You know, enough real unique because I think rapping is about uniqueness more than anything. You know, people, they got their own every style, brand style, whatever, something that is more about that. And Dallas produced those. You know what I'm saying? We do put it when an artist come out the city and make some type of noise. They normally have they own that identity. You know what I'm saying? But how can you notice somebody out of here? Because like we were talking about earlier, that Internet is so big that when an artist come up, you might not know exactly where they're from. So how do you keep your eyes on Dallas artists? How do you search for them? How do you find them? How do I do it? Or just, oh. I'm so connected with everybody who's doing something in the city that it's just going to come. It probably haven't been nobody who ever came out the city who I didn't already know about prior to. You just know. You know what I'm saying? Like, there's no way you can for the most part. There ain't no way you can just go from cold to popping. Most of the time you build and you you know what I'm saying? So like you gonna meet people in that building just once they get to quote unquote mainstream or to the world. You know, that's another that's another step and people think that's when they first emerge. But it's hardly ever like that. You know what I'm saying? Just like how we just talking about tight. Time might be popping in some months. Yeah. But he been you know I even hustling. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So like I would know about a time but just say he pop in the summertime to the world. He just came out but like we are already you know. Been knowing. Yeah. So it'd be like that. You know, it's like that. Have you ever heard of Big X the plug? It's another guy that he was just on here too but he he real new. Nah. If I maybe made it by the music. You know. He got a deep voice. That's one thing I like. He has a deep voice. You don't hear that very much. He got his own little very unique. I know that's a plus having your own voice and like you. And humble. Having your own voice give you a real big advantage. You know what I'm saying? Your own. Just because people can it's all about identity. People like people they can identify. You know what I'm saying? And that's just what it's about. So when I look at you what I've seen here recently is I think I've seen you the bar baby song. Yeah. I was just about to ask about that. Yes. We had a Renetta Spence on there who originally done this. Oh for real? Yeah. That's great. I know that. Man I was like man. Her and her daddy. Her daddy. Ronnie Spence. How did you come up with that song as far as how you would lay it out? The Star Baby. Yeah. So Bar Baby by Big Mote was one of my favorite songs going up. When I got on to the Texas music scene Junior High from Junior High going to high school like I was really influenced by what was going on in Texas. Okay. Little flip. Swisher House. Big Mote Fat. All that. You know what I'm saying? All the way up into the DSR. You know what I'm saying? All the way you know of course just everything that was going on in Texas during that time I was really influenced by like I was one of the I was one of the me and my homies in and Junior High High School we was the one that was like breaking Texas music to we was the pride for ones. Like we everybody in Germany we was always putting people on the Texas shit first and if someone would come out of Dallas like when DSR came out I would I would even say like me and my homies we probably the ones blew up helped blew up DSR because we was that type like we we was real prideful I always been prideful about what we got you know what I'm saying? So when the Texas move a movement came or just the stuff that was coming out of Houston and even Dallas and just you know UGK and all that that was sticking to me you feel me? So long story short Barbe was one of my favorite songs out of all the songs it was just like a real song that I love so for me Mr. E was crazy me and Mr. E he produced it he reproduced the track you know what I'm saying? Mr. E shout out to Mr. E you know he he he did a lot like a lot of work with Big Chief for the ones who don't know like the sound behind Big Chief that's Mr. E he the one that do these triple D moves you know what I'm saying? So for the ones who ain't from Somebody had mistaken me for Mr. E last right? Yeah, yeah, y'all telling me No, not look alike bro don't start that just the name because I'm E-C-E-O and somebody was like ah yeah Mr. E I'm like that ain't me yeah yeah but I like him me and him talked on the phone a couple of times yeah Mr. E cool man he uh shout out to Mr. E so man what's crazy so back in like I want to say 2014 or 2015 man Mr. E was just chopping it up and I had told him I was like bruh I want to because Mr. E got this sound he got this sound could even from the stuff he did from Big Chief he got like his own little sound like it's a it's a Dallas sound it's a Texas sound it's just his own sound you feel me and I when I would think about certain stuff I would be like this something Mr. E could do so when I would start thinking about like people from Dallas that could create a unique sound Mr. E is one of the ones that come up you know what I'm saying because I like I like producers like that that you know what I'm saying like that can create just their own so back then we were talking about some stuff and then I had told him I was like bruh like I I want to it's a lot of Texas music that if it if it if it kind of hit the got back out to the mainstream now especially since you know the internet boom some of this stuff will pop so I was like I want to redo some of my favorite songs and you know it was like you know it was like I want to redo like a little flip songs it was all just naming stuff and then we we talked about Bar Baby but at that time I didn't have a concept right when we first talked about it but uh when I came with the Star Baby it was a it was a lot of things that came to mind like I really just want to pay homage to Big Mo and make a dope record reintroduce that to you know uh the world in my own way and I think about Dallas Star the cowboy that's exactly what yeah that came later like so we actually did the song in 2014-2015 okay you know what I'm saying but not the but we we did a reference of the song and then I just we did a couple we probably did four or five six songs where we was just going to do this whole project like I'm just going to redo some stuff that was just with the mole energy I was in at that time but we never did follow through with the project you know what I'm saying we just did these songs they just set and then uh I think maybe about a year and a year and a half ago something happened where we got back on the line and we revisited the conversation and uh you know we the first one we was like we we did Star Baby you know what I'm saying and I and I just was like I'm a flip bar baby Star Baby just to kind of talk about you know how I feel about myself and what I'm doing and just but I want to keep that same cadence keep the same sound and just introduce it and then you know I'll buy now from 2014 now I was really tied in with the cowboy so I was like well I might as well tie in you know what I'm saying to start with it you know what I'm saying just you know we just dropped the video and it's a lot of cowboy content really just to show off to start and even though you know we lost I'm still a ride out of that cowboy thing and the cowboy's gonna be here forever so that's a part of my brand you feel me just in general like even before I was with the cowboy as I was rocking I mean I've always been the cowboy thing you feel me I wear a cowboy hat this and this and that so now being official with them you know that's a part of my brand you feel me so baby did you have to get clearance for that song they do Star Baby so I'm my baby people now because it's a flip and it's a remake of the beat so we didn't sample nothing but what normally happens is like on the publishing and and all this stuff you know what I'm saying I always if I ever do anything like that I always just take care of stuff with the publishing and that side because as an artist and producers that's what you want like I like when people flip flip and make the song over yeah that's it brings more light bring more light on your song and then it's another revenue opportunity so every every every artist should want that you feel me you know I ain't never had no no issues what about it was just a really a pair of humming type things correct what about the little girl that's what I was going to oh so that's that's another reason why I like Mr. E so Mr. E one of my favorite dudes when it comes to music like in just producers because he big in just a producer but let's just call him a producer because he a real producer like I hit Mr. E and I was like hey bro I need you you got to find the girl the little girl that can sing it got a sound like it can't be it got to the ear it got a sound good and it got a pretty much sound like bar baby because that's what I was going for we're seeing star baby and he he found the right girl with the right voice you know he and he'll go through a project thoroughly you feel me like so that's why he's so good even with the move like he gonna go through I remember when when big chief was had they movement like Mr. E is one of the guys that's on the street he know how to push a record so Mr. E know to follow through or whatever he when you put out music back then passing our CDs he know that whole game you know how to hit the city I used to like that because every time that's how I moved back in the day I was a real one deep interviews moving around in the streets moving my stuff around like and I will see I missed only other person I saw that move like that was Mr. E so I was like that one day I need to cloud because I need somebody that do that you feel me so that was one of my favorite things I liked about Mr. E and I so I know if I hit Mr. E about something to get done he gonna get it done how many projects you have with him we only we don't really have this is actually the first song that we officially put out that we done he just always loved his sound yeah yeah just we always been behind the scenes talking but we do got a lot of music that we done doesn't have it put out yeah it was saying been released it so it'll be a lot of stuff that come out but this probably the first one but I just like how he moved as far as just how he get stuff done believe it or not that's that's rare people everybody want to say they can get stuff done or that's rare people don't get stuff done you feel me like I'm trying when it gets to some tedious stuff you need done and I knew I could miss hit Mr. E to get that done because it's hard to come across like kids and stuff that can sing you I mean the right stuff get them in the studio to get it done especially when you moving around like Harvey moving around so I needed somebody like Mr. E that could just get that particular thing done yeah yeah and he made it happen he made it happen so when he made that happen then I was inspired to because I re-recorded the song did that so then I got inspired because I was like this is exactly the sound that I wanted like he it sounded really really good exactly how I wanted it and uh but over all it was a pet hummest thing it was just like I'm redoing one of my favorite songs like you know what I'm saying in that and I want to bring you know that Texas sound that's why we did hit a lick well you know man Southwark yeah yeah I'm gonna talk about that before you get into that have you ever worked with Mr. Lee? so Mr. Lee is another one so Mr. Lee is here okay so Mr. Lee and what's crazy is me and Mr. Lee run into each other so much and talk about this you know what I'm saying where I know I could foresee what's happening like me and Mr. Lee gonna come together and do a project just because we done talked about it so much yeah you know what I'm saying and I and he's another one you got Mr. Lee you know what I'm saying Mr. E is that version of Mr. Lee from Dallas but Mr. Lee is kind of connected with Houston you know what I'm saying definitely connected with Houston yeah so but so like it's only certain people like that you only got like a very few a handful of people like that so Mr. Lee is another one that uh I'm pretty sure we're gonna get in we always talk about it you know what I'm saying I gave Mr. Lee two, hold on I'm gonna say this words on my mind two people that I know I'm gonna do projects with that I've been talking with forever that's that's that's legends in the game that's from our city is uh Mr. Lee and uh it's one it's one it's one man it's one man it's one actually I went to a studio one that we had started working on on some stuff and uh it's one man he he wanted the hardest like he he just got a sound it's one is it's five like he I like the other view here yeah you know it's one is that guy like he not talked about enough when it comes to surgery stuff when it comes to the city like he he really that guy wouldn't come to what he do you know what I'm saying and uh I know me at S1 especially where I'm going with my brand especially to the road brand and the music I know man he don't can make a project that's that's something special for someone like me who don't know who S1 is what have he done so he produced a lot of stuff man one track y'all probably know is uh the power for Kanye yeah you know what I'm saying he produced that uh he done stuff with hold man uh I want to say his man his resume resume is strong you know what I'm saying but I know him personally from the this productions that he produced for me that we've actually worked on so like I say I'm the type of person where your resume is one thing but if I go in the studio with that's where I'm gonna be impressed by you know I'm saying so he got treks that he done made and that I done heard that he didn't even made for me that's just on some next level I wasn't even ready to record on that when we was doing it I was able to do it but the way I was moving and the way I was putting my brand I was like no I gotta I need to build some stuff up before I come do this S1 project this S1 project it's like hey we for to run this we for to be on some rock nation type it's for to be you know what I'm saying it's one of them type of things you gotta kind of be in mindset in position to do that level of a project you feel me yeah and so S1 it's like somebody like on my list like all right boom I'm put S1 he down here towards the bottom because this one we for to really get to a whole another level and I know S1 can help catapult that as far as on production now I'm getting wrong it's a lot of producers that I work with that's on my team that can do that Q Smith shout out to him Digi Norm yeah shout out Digi Norm he been on here too yeah Digi Norm Q Smith too much man I could probably name a lot of them but you know what I'm saying use something else because I I done heard a lot about you since you left you don't know that though yeah I got your number yeah yeah yeah yeah PeriView days I you was you engineering your own music you your own you like a one stop shop type dude I thought that was so impressive with the people that I had the whole primetime click up here yeah I had the whole thing yeah yeah it's just paint cat oh yeah yeah tj shout out tj tj tj alexa she was yeah yeah she didn't want to claim it but I said yeah you primetime click she's the point of she was I said yeah you was there she was going to some shows yeah she said she said I said yeah I say and um but they always valued your work at at yeah yeah I like that because they all couldn't be lying on you it's a respect for the way that you the way that you grind especially that's the same thing that that uh what's it same thing like yeah he does he has this particular way he wants something he's gonna make it happen that way yeah I like that man that's a hustler man yeah yeah now when I uh I mean when I that's early on yeah when I got a little pv I just saw what it was I saw open a open field you know what I'm saying I was coming out of Hoop and I was trying to choose if I was gonna wrap a hoop but it was never to know nothing so you kind of automatically hit the hustle you feel me out that was just naturally I mean I don't know really that might come from my pops or something just a grind but uh I just saw everything like I'm trying to do something and it ain't no this this this and that so that mean I'm gonna have to do it myself I'm gonna have to get these things myself because otherwise I will just go to these things I'm thinking about what I'm trying to do what I'm trying to make happen what I'm trying to create if if if it's an easy way to do it then of course because I'm really just trying to focus on what I'm creating but not coming from how we come from even coming from the city of Dallas you got to be some type of hustler I don't care what nobody say you gotta get it out the mud some kind of way it's impossible not to and that's what in whatever you do whatever you do it all you gotta just be music you know what I'm saying because a lot of the just the way the city was structured and a lot of resources that's even here now ain't been here you know what I'm saying and this and we still lack some resources in some in some ways yeah but with that being said the flip side of it is it make you a hustler make you a hustler that's why when I I can go to a place like L.A. and kind of out hustle everybody in my own way because just by coming from Dallas I'm naturally doing it I gotta stop you because that's what Taylor Taylor said the same thing Taylor Gabriel to play for the Atlanta Falcons I'm from Dallas like I gotta go do it I'm like it's some enemy that kept saying man I'm from Dallas when you're from Dallas and you go to other city and you restore actually seeing what you made of what Dallas made of you you know what I'm saying you don't know that being in Dallas like I didn't know this until I moved to L.A. L.A. yeah like and I just noticed how I was moving and people would pick up on it but it was just natural you know what I'm saying and I started realizing like oh because other it's other people that I could you know what I'm saying shout out that you know I run into people like like in L.A. like shout out the hood boss you know what I'm saying shout out the hood boss yeah yeah yeah I was just running to a lot of people from when I was running to people from Dallas in L.A. or different places they always was making something happen they was always making something happen better than other people and then I just be like it gotta be the city like this is just know naturally how to hustle if they're from Dallas for some reason when you just get in another app your instincts kick in you know what I'm saying because I started seeing even people that's behind the scenes you know what I'm saying I meet people and I can just be and I'm like they move out like they're from Dallas you know what I'm saying wow that's dope it's hard to explain when you go to other cities the other cities notice that and you start noticing about yourself because people by the way people move the way they talk to you the way they even say you know this this this and that but a long story short like the flip side of not having those resources in the city turning into a hustler in some kind of way which benefit you in another way why you might be you know you might feel like oh what's shit we don't got this this and that but it's a benefit to everything you know you're gonna learn how to hustle get somewhere else you're gonna see you're gonna be the number one hustler in a sense number one hustler you're gonna have some type of instincts that you get from your city and every city got them every city got they you know somebody from New York come to Dallas right now and they live here and they know I know guys like that they gonna be a certain way they gonna be moving and then we gonna see it we gonna know this like how they move yeah exactly and to them that's just how they move and vice versa and then some of it's gonna work against of it against them and some of some of it's gonna work with them that's right and so it just be like that and then you know when I went to LA that's what I would notice hey check it out Money Moses just pulled up and why you just pulled up on us man what's going on I was in traffic trying to get here yeah yeah go ahead what's your biggest goal for 2022 hey 2022 so 2020 now this is the year see the last time I think I said I don't know if I said it but the last year the last time I was on the podcast I was pretty much telling talking about what's to come and really kind of gearing up to like now 2020 is about for to go crazy with it you know what I'm saying 2022 for to go what to do just with the music and the product and the content and just everything that I've been working on so to answer your question really the music you know what I'm saying you a little harder yeah I mean you see like produce more push more yeah I see I like to start baby I really have to get one record that's just we just we just want we just building up right now like you know we getting we getting the buzz but you know my goal for 2022 is the really is the really put out all the music and it's really that simple because the music gonna do the rest you feel me yeah at the end of the day I'm a rapper first I'm an artist first you know what I'm saying so I'm gonna get people to art I'm gonna get people to rap I'm gonna get people to music and uh but you know sometimes to set up to it is you're surprised if you want to do it a certain type of way you got other stuff going on you know what I'm saying it ain't just oh because I want to put out music let's just go now you gotta you know put stuff together that's kind of what I did in the past how different is it from from when you say since the internet wave first first came in and now traveling through COVID times and all the stuff that's changed how different is it for you it's better for me like the way that things is it's hard naturally move like I'm a type of person where you know when it's grimy that's kind of when that's when I like thrive you feel me when stuff is difficult you know what I'm saying yeah I get it you know what I'm saying like I come out of difficult type settings I would even say better than when stuff is easy flowing you know what I'm saying not saying that that's what I want or prefer it just that's just what it is what it is COVID a lot of people you know to it's to each zone you got some people feel this way about this and that it's hard to do this easy to do that for me it's gravy you know what I'm saying like I don't put a lot of work just over time to where you know for me it's just about it's about the music now again you know it's always been there about that as long as I'm giving people the music then they get then I'm doing what I'm supposed to do for the most part because when it comes to the art and stuff I'm gonna do what I need to do they'll do the songs just coming to you like at night you sleeping in the bed the rose sleeping and they be like damn that's a hit I got to get up to write this I'm a life writer have you done that before that's how I do I don't go to the studio and write music I've never had I've probably only done that one or two times like I never understood that well like you won't do it like that I don't know some people some people some people gotta be in the studio to work to be creative I'm the opposite like I cannot I mean I can do features like that somebody I can pull up we can do that but that ain't my way to work you know what I'm saying I like it just in real life you know what I'm saying I might be on a flight I might be at the crib I might be moving around I might be at a hotel I might just be navigating in the light and sometime it do be like it's like you can see something like damn that's a song exactly or a line can come see me I be once I get one line it's a rap all I ever need is one line that come to me naturally whole song done you know what I'm saying so like I can just but it gotta be something I feel or something you know what I'm saying like you know we just catch a a vibe you know when man Norm T did the little thing for the cowboy the big touchdown you know what I'm saying once once once he came with the beat and and we just kind of it was a quick vibe it was more just like I was already talking about like I need to do something more generic so once I came with a it's a touchdown big touchdown line I was just able to ride through it from the whole way I boom but sometimes it could take me a minute to catch that vibe you know what I'm saying what's something you know what I'm saying but want sometimes I can go how was it with hit a lick hit a lick that was that was that was that was a more easy that was more like a freestyle you know what I'm saying I could kind of feel it yeah yeah that was more like once I get anything that's on that type vibe with like that's that's kind of first nature like I can just kind of play with the song you know what I'm saying hit a lick was uh we did that a while back me and sauce did that like in 2017 we put that here really so that was that was y'all decided we just yeah like it'd be like because it's a it's a timeless vibe when anytime you know some like on some take your shit like that that's always gonna be a familiar sound that we got so we didn't have to put that out so fast you know what I'm saying and how do you keep up with all them songs that's the hard drive that's the hard man can you sing that I mean can you go her word for word on every song walk that walk hit a lick from hit a lick to walk that walk to I want to catch one that he ain't even thinking about there in one of them that just on that first album that you just wasn't just singing all the time right so uh yeah like man I done probably done so many shows that the songs I performed like once once I'm in that mode I'm in that mode you feel me like you know what I'm saying like I come from where everything was on the spot and I tell people this all the time I think that was another thing that was a some people can say it's an advantage or a disadvantage during the time where we was coming out during that Boogie Dallas Boogie era that was the first time Dallas was getting attention from mainstream or how you want to look at it or in a rap way so what it taught me because everybody was coming I was a mixtape rapper I used to have a lot of mixtapes that's how I got PV pop and I was just mixtape everybody knew me for rapping mixtapes kind of like free styles boom boom boom I had no singles none of that when the Dallas Boogie movement came that's when they was coming with them dance on you had a little shine with the check out my lean and Fat Pimpin was out with the rap daddy boom boom boom and everybody was coming with these little wheel head my doggie bone bone say he had this song after you but he didn't like you because he said you was everything he was trying to do you was already doing it yeah yeah but he respected you he's another one that he on the show he was competitive he was one of the he was competitive at PV didn't he he was like DeRoe man he different he was one like he just a workhorse man he respects you a lot when I got the PV everybody was a rapper but nobody wrap that was the first thing I noticed everybody was a rapper like when I say everybody was a rapper freestyle sessions was everywhere where all around the campus, like boom, everybody in their dorm rooms, like everybody wrapped. But then when nobody would wrap, I was like, how does everybody wrap? And then I had figured that out quick. I was like, ain't nobody really doing it. So I was like the first one at PV that we had these things called hump day. Hump day is where- Yeah, yeah, we heard about y'all hump day. And it was part of the 12th in the midday, right in the middle of the dang day. And it's packed, you know what I'm saying? So the first time I went to hump day and saw that, I was like, I didn't understand like how when nobody didn't see what I saw. What I saw was a lot of people and opportunity. You wanted to wrap it that thing. Yeah, so I was the first one to go up and grab the mic and wrap a hump day. What did you wrap? Do you remember? I did a song called, so remember I'll tell you I had mixtapes popping. On that mixtape, I had a song called Bitch I'm From Dallas. Hey! It was off the hood nigga, Gorilla's over. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? And like it was popping on the mixtape. Everybody fucked with it on the mixtape. You were hit that off. Nobody really knew me like by face except the people who knew me. You know what I'm saying? Because this is when I was a freshman and like y'all was a freshman and everybody else was pretty much upper class. Only people who knew me knew me. So I was see hump day and DJ Merck will be DJing. You know what I'm saying? I knew who Merck was. I saw it as an opportunity. Like if I go up here and grab this mic, everybody for to know who I am now and I'm gonna wrap. They're gonna either like me or not. And I was the first person to do that. And that's really how I literally turned PV up. Because once I did that, I remember the first reaction. Everybody just stirred like it was even the people who knew me and knew my shit was hard. They would just stir everybody. Like it was just, it was something shocking cause nobody had done it. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, exactly. So it was more of that type of energy. Did it discourage you or did it encourage you? For me, it just was what it was. I remember how I was feeling that day. I was just like, cause I wasn't gonna stay at PV. Like I was a hooper. You feel me? Oh, I know, I've been seen. I was supposed to go, I had a scholarship to St. Mary's, which is St. Antonio, which was a good basketball school. It was like, you had more opportunity than PV. You feel me? I had went to PV because my mama, she was just, she was like, come on. I had a big brother with the PV. She was like, you need to just go down to the freshman orientation. Just give yourself some options. And I went down to the orientation. It was like the first thing that they said at the orientation was PV was seven to one. I was like, 71, what? And it was seven females to one. I had, I wasn't aware that like school was like that. See, in my mind, I didn't even know college, especially when it's my ABCU or college in general, it's more female, way more females in college than dudes. Or at least at that time. To me, I just saw that like, why wouldn't I have been there in PV? It was just a whole different, it was a whole different thing. You feel me? And then I saw that with my own eyes. It's been, you know what I'm saying, a teenager or whatnot. So I stayed down there for orientation. And then I met somebody that, you know what I'm saying? A little chick, shout out to her, she knows she is. You know, I stayed out there with her like for like a week. And by then, after that week I was like, oh, I'm going to PV. Cause I had just saw enough. And you know what I'm saying? Cause deep down, even though I was hoping I had more opportunity then I wanted to rap more. I was already popping in high school from rapping, but it was just more intimate. I felt like I could control my destiny for rap than sports. Sports is, you know, it's orchestrated. You got to do the right everything. You got to go through the right system, right? You got to have the right coach. You can't get hurt. You know what I'm saying? You can have to be the best player, get hurt at the wrong time. It's over. It's just so games are set up time wise. We're rapping, you can, any given moment somebody right now can go drop a song and go somewhere and promote it right now. And get it popping. You know what I'm saying? So that type of thing. I was just like, no, I'm going to do this music. So I saw PV as an open field for that. You killed it. Did your mom ever get mad? Nah, she didn't get mad because she was glad I went to PV. But she, I was going to hoop at PV too. I was going to, you know what I'm saying? Like walk on and even though the coach, everybody knew I was, I had like a guaranteed position. Like I was a baller, you know what I'm saying? Especially at that time. But the rap, like I say, within that first week, I knew I went for the hoop. You rap whole. I saw, nah, I just saw too much. I just saw. Bro. It was like going, you got, I'm coming from Dallas. I went to Langston High School. Yeah, I know. And you know what I'm saying? High school was fun. But like when you get the PV, it was like all the Dallas schools and all the Houston schools as one high school. So it just did, to me, it was just this place and it was a party school. It was about partying. Like nobody wanted, it wasn't about work. It wasn't about none of that. Like you say, hump day was at normal. Hump day was at new. And that's a, that was a popping party every Wednesday. You knew that you were going to turn that thing. So we just, you have a question. So my question was, so whenever you were on stage for the first time and you took the mic and did all of that, did you motivate any of the other so-called rappers to jump on stage and do the same? So what's crazy is when I did it that first time, I remember getting that reaction. I said, fuck it, I'm going to do it the next time. I did it the next week. And then it was a different kind of reaction, but it was the same thing. But I did, I was so like, I was just so like, nah, I got to make this shit shake. Cause even when I did it, I was kind of like, I couldn't even believe I did it myself. Cause it was just, it just wasn't like that. It wasn't nothing nobody was doing. By the third time I was just like, I'm for to just do this every Wednesday. Confident. That confidence went up, didn't it? You know, cause I was dropping, but one thing I was doing was I was dropping mixtase. Like I had a team, I had a team of people and girls passing our CDs through the campus. So I was really, people had already knew who I was. And they, it was kind of like, oh, that's the dude that got this type shit. It became that. So once that happened, you know, I was just like, I'm just for to do this shit. And then I would do that every hump day almost. And then I just got popping. I was the only one to do that. Nobody will ever do it. Cause it's, it's hard to do like, it's harder than what it seemed like, you know, people, I know so many people that has talented that won't take that leap. Take that leap. Yeah. It's that fear. You feel me? They don't want that, that process. I don't care what type of rapper or artist you are. It's no matter how big you are or how good you are, it's a process you go through when it ain't gravy. Like it's just hard. Like you ain't getting that support. It's just, it's a weird uncomfortable time. And no, nobody want to go through that point. Yeah. That party gets you all the way. That's the part you got to go through to get to the other side of it. Nobody want that. But it makes you or break it. It do make you or break you. But I don't see people that really could have and should have been doing it. And they just didn't go through that process. That was literally it. Like they had everything else. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? There was a lot of like people like that. I'd be like, damn nigga in the dorm room, nigga, y'all going hard. We all going hard in the freestyle session. We all doing this. And so it was a lot of people that I was kind of friends of cause I was, I felt like people could do it. But I don't know, I just, I just hit that thing. Give me that's just gone. I'm just going to do it. I hit that, that fact that you feel me? Yeah. I'm going to make this shit happen. Like, and you know what I'm saying? People fuck with the music and I think people are scared of fear. Yeah. Scared of fear. So by the third time I was popping though. By the third, fourth time now. Now people are spitting and I'm rocking it out. You know what I'm saying? Bone jealous. Cause he want to be up there now. Bone never did that. That's right. But he wanted to be up there. He like, I should be up there. Yeah. So it was just really a matter of, anybody could have went and did it. But you, you, you found it over the lane. Yeah. So, you know, then it started, they started having talent shows at PV. I wouldn't even in the talent show. I just pull up and just rap whatever song I had put out. I would just go, man, this is a way to promote this song. Like at the talent show without being in the talent show. So I just started using PV like that, man. You know, then they had some kind of PV choice awards. I had one like best rapper type shit out. You know what I'm saying? This is about the third year cause then it started getting competitive. Like people started dropping mixed type. It started turning into a market. That's why you had some people come out of PV at that time. It turned into a real thing, but we got it popping, man. And that's just what it was. That's the way it is, man. When you, when you get it popping. So I, and I'll go back to that hit a leg when y'all did that video. Y'all was somewhere in Dallas. Yeah, we shot a Joe Poo or where was y'all at? No, not actually. Oh, same. Southwark. Where was y'all at? We was at Texas ski ranch. Okay. That's in, that's by San Antonio actually. Oh, so y'all down by San Antonio. And what city is it? I should, what city was that? Oh, okay. I should know. I forgot. It's right by San Antonio in between San Antonio and I was just, I forgot to actually but it's called Texas ski ranch. Really? They do concerts at the ski ranch. I was booked there two weeks before we shot that video. And we did a show with me and a young blue. We had a show there. And then when I did the show, when I was leaving the show, I saw the flyers that was promoting Southwarker. Man, Southwarker had missed the time we was gonna shoot his scene in Dallas. So I was like, I liked the ski ranch. I was impressed by it. And I saw he had a show. So I was, I just told Southwarker, I'm gonna come down for the show and we're gonna shoot this scene out there. Cause I was like, I already see what you're seeing for the B. We've already seen the boats and stuff like that. We rented out, brought, we brought, you know, I brought his scene, we brought the girls and just had fun really. We just came a little kickback, a little party, turned into his scene for the video. The other stuff we shot in Dallas. Yeah, we shot, you know what I'm saying? If you will see it, we ain't chicken out it. Bun B, do you, I seen you on a picture with Bun. What is it? I know you spoke, you spoke UGK's name, but we've been attributing PMC. Just, I always ask people what PMC meant to him, you know, for Texas people, you know, like us. Yes. So I'm upset because PMC is like one, only Texas legends that I didn't get to meet. I got popping, I got popping right after he, you know, passed whatever. So, cause in that time, it was a, when I was at PV and it was popping, that's when I was in the mix in Houston and I was meeting everybody at this time. I was meeting, love flipping. Everybody's power wall and slump thuds just by moving around, going through the clubs. And I was anticipating meeting PMC, but it had, you know, he had passed. So I didn't get to meet him. But as far as what he mean, you know what I'm saying? UGK, PMC, Bun B, they mean everything. Even Bun B, like to this day, one of my favorite things about Bun B that I still, that I, you fuck with, is he brought, he capitalized on the lingo, you know what I'm saying? Even the trilogy, that's why I say even start, baby. I say trilogy, that's really a, that's really a Bun B phrase, but it's Texas. I'm basically trying to encourage artists like, look, nigga, we got a culture, y'all need to use this shit. Y'all gonna win by using our culture. Texas culture, Dallas culture, even Houston artists, y'all use their culture. And Houston, they got, I forgot who got their records. Popping right now, they redid to my doggie. The tone of, you know. Houston did? Yeah, yeah, it's a, I wanna say, don't quote my, I wanna say it's fast lane. I think he redid the song, but if it wasn't him, it was somebody, but it's popping in the clubs out there. It's not the doggie, it's just the same cadence. You know it when you hear it, saying what you calling, but the song popping though, you know what I'm saying? So I'll be telling people all the time, like if we use our shit, we win more, you gonna win faster using our own shit that we already got. I agree with that. You know what I'm saying? They ain't trying to go sound like these niggas in Atlanta and Chicago, they got their own shit, you know what I mean? That's right. They gonna win from their shit, you know what I mean? Like we got shit that we could use, but people use it. So when I do stuff like Star Baby and Hit-A-Lit, other than my own reasons for doing it, for just my own artists shit, I'm actually trying to inspire them to play on that same thing from Dallas and Texas and Houston and everywhere in Texas. I'm trying to tell niggas like, yeah, I need the new artists, y'all play on this shit that we already got. Yeah, I can do it in y'all own way. Y'all gotta do it how I'm doing it or how anybody else do it, but no, we got shit that y'all can use that help y'all win easier and better than how y'all are trying to play it. Let me ask you this, man, the way you be, did you have something going on there? The way you be, you sound like your music when you talk. I can hear your music. Oh yeah, I don't got no rap voice. No, but no, I like, like, I know that if I hear you in a concert, that I'ma get, we went to Jay-Z concert. We went to Jay-Z concert. I have never seen unlike this, bro. He sound exactly like his song. Yeah, yeah. You couldn't tell, like you were just listening to the song, but I knew it wasn't cause he would change it up and stuff. Well, that happened because, you know, a lot of people when they get in the studio, even successful rappers have an actual rap voice. Like they know how to turn into a character, which is cool, but it's not necessary. They talking voice. So in Jay-Z, this is talking voice. You know what I'm saying? He sound just, just like you, like, Jay-The-Kids too, and Jaru. Yeah, exactly. And DMX, RIP. So when you, when you, when people, you they talking voice, they rap voice, when you see them in concert, it translate better. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? It sound real good. Yeah, yeah, it translate better. People say it about my, my shows, you know, it translate cause I don't really turn on the rap voice, but some people got a rap voice, or sometime when you're a singer, you automatically got a certain different voice from how you sound. That's like, you know what I'm saying? Some people voice to be deeper or... Like Miss L.A., remember her? Miss L.A.? Miss who? He too young. Miss L.A., she had a, I don't even know her name. Some people say I'm nasty. She was with the Dr. Dre song. He know, my boy know, my boy know back then. Sometimes it happened a lot with singers. I got this young story over here now. It happened more with singers where they voice, they, when they sing, it's something different because most time they gotta change their tone, but no. No, you dope, man. I can hear it. I know already you, I told you last time you was here, you like automatic commercial sound. You're like, you know, like it's a crossover sound. You already, to me it's like you could do songs with anybody. Now I don't know if you choose to do songs with anybody. I'm talking about pop and all that. Yeah, yeah. To me. Yeah, nah, man. I'm being real. I'm definitely, you know, my goal is to work with, just put myself in a space where I can do everything. And that's why I got to do it. Have you ever done a pop song or anything? Yeah, I have actually. I've done, so I had did, I don't know if y'all know the cataracts. Cataracts. So the cataracts, they front of the bay. They was this white, they was actually like pop country, but they was super big. And they had like, did like some remix of ice cream, paint job in the country thing. And they had me get on that. It was a big record in Cali. Oh yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'd have done actually quite a few of them. It just, you know what I'm saying? Just when they came out, they came out, some stuff is released in different ways. But me, I just see beats, bro. I just see it ain't no category. Me like, I can rap on anything. I'm gonna adjust to it. You know, I just hear the music. As long as you got a rhythm to it, I'm gonna figure out a cadence that makes sense. It's just, I'm gonna just do me on it. Man, DeRoe dope, man. DeRoe, you moved like you posed to, man. How do you stay positive? That's why I say he moved like he posed to. Stand away from the negative. No, it's really hard though. Yeah, I know. It's just, you get what you put out. You got to, that's true. It's a, as a rapper, it's in the music you put out. See, people don't know when the magic with this music shit is, you gonna live in the world that you put out. So, and I learned this. That's one thing that I could say like songs like, Walk That Walk, and I learned this early when I was making them song, cause it's like my world will turn into that. Like when I made Walk That Walk, I was just like, shit, I'm at PV. That was the first single I made. I need to get from this mixtape shit. I see all these niggas coming down here doing shows off one song. I need to learn how to make a single. I made Walk That Walk cause I saw, I wanna make something that's gonna make these sorority girls dance too. That's what was popping. I'll make something like that. Boom. Made the song, they started blowing up and then that's what I actually started getting that identity. Like, you know what I'm saying? Cause I made that right after that was Holly Berry. Then I had another song called Karma Sunday that was popping. That was just all female records. So I kind of hit that identity, but I was cool with it cause it was just like, I was getting a lot of bookings that, I was getting a lot of love from that. So I learned that. You created your world with what you, right? Cause you'll be surprised. A lot of rappers don't really think, they just thinking about the aspect of creating music. Like they don't really know that if that shit popped and it blew up, your life would be whatever that is. You know what I'm saying? Ice cream paint job. When I made that, that blew up. That's when my life turned into that. Give it, boom. So I started to learn to easy that shit. I need to, I'm real when I'm making music. Like if this ain't a world I want to live in, then I ain't going to talk about it. Cause that weird shit, especially if it get traction, you know what I'm saying? Like you might fuck around and not be over on what you're talking about. You might do one song on some shit that's just on some random and that blew up. And now that's your whole life. You know what I'm saying? All right. So I say the answers question, bro. Like I just put out, I just try and create the music in a way that I want my life, my world to be. And that's going to automatically keep me positive. Cause I don't want, you know what I'm saying? I want my shit to be a certain way. But you know, I mean, it ain't that easy. Don't get me wrong. It's a lot of distractions. Yeah. We have all the mess around in this world. And everything, and especially for musicians, it's like they feel like everything that I have to put out has to be talking about women, guns, street, something like that to be popping, you know? Or even in like bloggers, they think that it's mess that sells because that's what gets the most views. So it's like, how can you create things that are not like that and still get the views that you need? See a lot of people, that's the hard card that's in this game. Cause it's like if you talk about the bullshit, you liable to blow up faster, get quick attraction. So a lot of young and new artists think with that mindset, like, this is what's gonna get me popping. But you know, when you fight against that, you might be making the best everything, music and stuff, but it's gonna get slow attraction. But when they finally do, you know what I'm saying? Hit that, you know, that wave where you do get traction is gonna be worth it. So it's like, it comes down to what I was talking about. Most people don't wanna go through that process. They're gonna always go what's easier. I know a lot of artists, and this is why I like, I told Ty this, me and Crap talk about this. I say, homie, you know, you're an artist that can go in the direction that don't have to be a certain type of way, cause you're talented enough to do it, and you know what I'm saying? And that's kind of where he going with it. So I like him a lot because of that reason. You know what I'm saying? Like, I say this all the time, like it's something I could go make right now that I know could get it popping, get it popping real fast. But it ain't necessary for the overall where I'm trying to do it may not be the best thing. So I don't do that. But how many people can really fight that? You know what I'm saying? I can get this popping. I can get some money real quick. I can get going. I'm just for to do this now. See, people think like this, I'm for to do this now and get it popping. And then I switch up later, but they don't know. I hear that all the time. But once you get popping like that, that's shit for the takeover. You can't, it's gonna be, it's not as simple as you think to, I'm for to do this now. Like, nah, you don't put yourself in that world. It's gonna be kind of hard to, so you just gotta know what you wanna do. You really gotta know what you wanna do. And then you just gotta be that. You feel me? Definitely. You gotta create your own and everything. And you gotta know where this is real. For real, the energy you put out is real. You gonna get it, you know, you gonna get it back. We got a, we just wanna bless you with a, I think she got you a hoodie for sure. Oh, okay. Oh, okay. Got your hands. Yeah. We appreciate that. Yeah, yeah. I hope I got your size right. Yeah, it's extra large. Oh, yeah, I rock with the extra large. Yeah, yeah. We know you love blue. Yeah, yeah. This go, I got a lot of stuff. This cowboy blue, huh? Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, I got hats and everything. Yeah, man, I just wanted to make sure that we got you that and to be honest with you, man. I appreciate this. Carl Crawford came and got one. I said, man, we gotta get the roll. Cause we was at the house and I said, we gotta get the roll. We gotta get him one, man. He'll pop it for us. Yeah, now I definitely, when I throw it down, I'm definitely gonna support you. Man, I will appreciate you, man. Tag Boss Talk podcast, what I'm saying? Uh-oh, that's that thing. Yeah, now I got you. But now, thank you so much, man. I appreciate that. You're a dope dude, man. We got, also we got you a plaque, man. Oh, okay. Just saying that. I got one with the real. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We just want you to remember us, man. I got a bullet on the ground, man. We just be wanting you to remember us, man, because the ones who mean so much to the city and done so much, we wouldn't be here sitting if it wasn't for people like you. And we represent Dallas because there's a lot of people here in Dallas who don't get a recognition that they should. Yeah, yeah. Now I appreciate that, man. We just thank God for you, bro. Now I appreciate it, it's real. Let me, hold on, hold on, hold on. I should get you on the picture. You're the first one to take a picture. I get you on Instagram, right? That's dope, man. Yeah, man, just appreciate the love, man. It's going down, man. Check it, man. There it is right there. Man, yeah, man, now I appreciate you, bro, for real. Sure, for sure. Yeah, man, so you know this here. What does it say? So it says, Boss Talk 101 would like to present Mr. Dorwin DeRoe. Okay. DeRoe Music. Okay. In recognition for your many years in the music industry, dropping platinum hits like Ice Cream Pain Job, talented musician and entrepreneur, 2022. 2022, man. I appreciate that, I appreciate that for sure. Let me hear it one more time. Yeah, check it, Boss Talk 101. Man, we got to do it where we can get you roses while you're here, man. Just showing mad love, man. I know, I appreciate that. Like I said, man, it's just something about doing something when you got the opportunity to, that that's what we wanted to be about. I wanted to give you the first time you was here. Yeah. But I was like, that's why I was so like trying to get you back. I don't even think I mentioned it. I was like, man, I got to get him back because you mean so much. We don't like to tell you. Yeah, we're trying to surprise you. No, I appreciate that, man. No, we care of man, that's all. No, stuff like this is real special to me because it's unique for one. I respect what y'all are doing and I mean, y'all didn't have to do that for sure. Yeah, yeah. Like I said, I think. I appreciate that a whole lot. Because you represent Dallas to the fullest. Oh, hardcore, man. And the positivity and just the all around, just the all around dude that everybody that came in here to talk about your work ethic so much, man. It makes me think like, man, I got a grime in it, boy, he gets to it. Man, like I said, I learned from the city though. You know what I'm saying? I honestly think that come from the city. So I'm just giving back to what I feel like, gay to me. Like I say, when I go to other cities, I see what Dallas did for me. Just by living here, the stuff that I thought was hard and I was mad about when it was low resources and this and that. I learned that, you know what I'm saying? That really gave me an advantage in other places just by I had to learn how to hustle and be a certain way to move around the city of Dallas. Dallas wasn't and ain't just the easiest city to move around to either. But the city gave me a lot. So I'll give back to it. So I appreciate people like that. Yeah, a lot of more people need to take, need to look at what you're doing and take example from that or even try to reach out to you to say, hey, you know, can you give me some tips and stuff for it? Because you took your career to a different level. Not just stand in music industry but ended up with the cowboys and so forth. Man, he did different things that other people hadn't accomplished but like Money Mose last time was actually about six, three versus the row. I remember all the stuff that we talked about last time because I played the videos back cause so many people I'll ask questions and yours will come up and I'll always throw those clips back in there, man. But thank you for coming and supporting us when we didn't really have a lot going on. I tell people, it's the seamless ones that you never forget. It's like, that guy didn't have to come over here. He didn't know who he was. He talked about it a lot. I always tell, yeah, like that guy came and I can't never forget that. So when a guy give me problems coming, I think about that. I'm throw, bro. I don't know why. I be like, man, I'll throw it and do it. I ain't gonna respect you. I've been dripping, man. I'm throw, but people are different. So I got to accept that too, though. Thank you so much for being genuine, bro. 101% man, I appreciate you. I appreciate this for sure. I'm gonna put a special place in the crib for this, man. Already, man. Boss talk 101, what a boss is talk, man. Boss talk 101 for this real talk. It's going down. Hey, man, it's been another, did you have anything? I got everything. Cool, it's been another great segment. A boss talk 101, what a boss is talk. And yeah. Darrell, this award is from Boss Talk Podcast 101. Just to tell you, thank you for all the hard work you've been doing over the years, but it says presented to Mr. Dorwin Darrell, that's WD. Got that. You need a triple D. Do you have another D? Another name is DeMarcus. See, so he's triple D all around. Triple D for real. Real triple D. Darrell music in recognition for your many years in the music industry, dropping platinum hits really after hit. Ice cream paint job, talented musician and entrepreneur. I appreciate that, man, real tough. First of all, you know, this is the first black-eyed ever guy from a podcast. Podcast, so we first. Yeah, so that's a first, and that's a, you know, I like that, and I appreciate that. You know, I see the work that you all put in, you know what I'm saying? A lot of it is on the wall, let me know you put in a lot of work when I made it and came through the last time, you know what I'm saying? I like the vibe, you know what I'm saying? I've seen what y'all been doing. I appreciate it too. This mean a lot to me, you know. Thank you. Y'all putting on for the city, you know, my favorite stuff is stuff that come from the city. Hey, man, thank you, man. It ain't the easy thing to get that love in the city. I appreciate it, man. Shout out to Boss Talk 101. 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