 When you said that you feel that currently there is no other teachings out there similar to these, I got very curious first of all because I know you're not going to be around for a while and I feel I would benefit from having some other sources that I could from time to time look into to get support on my ongoing journey but also because it would almost feel like in compassionate from the cosmic soul that there is no other place in the world where some of similar things are being said for all the people that somehow haven't come in contact with you it almost feels like they have no teachings then to guide them and also in my sort of like current still limited time that I've listened to your teachings I do somehow feel quite some connection to some other teachings like for example even the mother book from Sri Aurobindo or Sat Sri and his new Dharma teachings or even some of the ways of how Ken Wilber explains or Kashmiri Shaivism I somehow see a lot of overlap and I guess I just want to confirm with you whether those can be legitimate sources that are in line with you that I can trust to use or whether you really feel know it's only here wait for my book I said from what I know because one can't know what all is happening in this world my feeling is that there must be teachers who are saying what I'm saying but I don't know where they are and none of my students have found them I'm talking about something very precise let's say the theories of Ken Wilber for example they encompass very many different approaches and he's a very eclectic Acharya actually we would call him an Acharya here one can always find elements that overlap certainly because otherwise it would be strange you know it's not like some egg that dropped from or something it's certainly also part of the spiritual trajectory so if you're searching for overlap you will find it that about Ken Wilber mother of Pondicherry again you'll find overlap when one looks for it certainly when I say that what is being said here is not being said elsewhere it is in its reference to Neo Advaita the specific references to Neo Advaita and the practices of Neo Advaita and the commentary on those practices and the inspirations to those who have practiced those practices and are approaching the mental institutions that's what I mean also the teaching here does not have the references to the to the cosmic experiences that the mother of Pondicherry's and Sri Aurobindo's teachings bring this is a very simple story it's for simple people if one wants to one can sit in one's own home and start to surrender to the soul seen from that point of view I have not come across this kind of simplicity and also this kind of precision in the understanding of the build-up right down from the cellular consciousness upward to the Agnya chakra and its description of the perception I feel very strongly though that there must be somewhere around the world teachers who are bringing even this kind of simplicity and precision the thing is in 20 years I have been teaching and I didn't even have a website till two years ago because it is very crucial when you are bringing a new teaching like this which is not just simply about what I speak in the satsang it's that huge a body of knowledge and it covers that precisely that many aspects of life that if I were to start answering questions there would be no end I can answer non-stop thousands of questions and put sense into each one's head through that there's no end because it's it's that big that that whole story then two years ago I agreed that a website is okay which is kept at a very minimum and nobody even knows about it because first we need to have enough people who are actually feeling this now we have that it's like a critical mass and now I don't have to do much it will anyway go to the world there is no egoistic sort of statement here that this is the only way not at all I'm not stupid I wouldn't ever say something like that I wouldn't dare to to start with so that's what I'm saying this is not like some religion and now either you're here or you're there it's more that this kind of precision and this kind of clarity if somebody the peanut seller on the street as well as some great German intellectuals from Tubingen are both touched by this it's because it's so simple it's clear and if you want to have some mental conceptual gymnastics and entertainment you can read anything you can read Kant if you want but when it comes to the practical that that existential that existential pain and sadness of a seeker that hasn't touched the truth and this is a good place to be is what I feel and I have to say in this context that I absolutely love Ken Wilbur I've thought he's an amazing man Andrew Cohen you know Andrew even came to visit me and sat in a private meeting with me and asked me questions about that reintegration so we're not talking about peanuts here and at the same time you know I'm in this body I mean I'm sitting here in a dress and I don't have a beard and I'm you know all of that good stuff but this is how it goes if you feel inspired anywhere take the inspirations inculcate them move with them anything that brings you into surrender that is the key word these men have not actually integrated surrender into their works where is it there they describe it but they don't integrate it now it's time to integrate it very consciously any of these teachers if they actually are ready to sit down and tell me where have they integrated surrender I'd be more than happy the more the merrier I find the works of the mother of Pondicherry very inspiring sure when the mother like amphibians you know and this generation sitting here for example is on land now they were the ones who spoke about bringing down the consciousness into the cells of the body into here but they had both been out in their own ways very long already they were like the amphibians of that spiritual trajectory also if you speak about the evolution of consciousness it doesn't make any sense consciousness is consciousness doesn't evolve the materiality may evolve and even then you can't say a human being is more evolved than a plant so even the idea of evolution of consciousness has to be questioned I mean it's maybe not something you can you can tune into right now but go home and think about it how do we speak about the evolution of consciousness are we assuming that a human being is more evolved than a plant that is an assumption which has absolutely no base whatsoever so we're talking about huge edifices of concepts that have been that have sprung forth in the 20th century which don't hold any more in this century they will not hold even Sri Aurobindo and I mean I look up to him above almost anyone else what does he mean by evolution of consciousness I don't see it evolving I see it as is it is a conceptual premise and that's what it is that's what it will always be because there is no evolution it simply is there is change and that's what is being said here and I'm very sure that if Ken Wilber and I had a conversation I could within a couple of hours convince him about many things which he doesn't know about us yet I'm very much appreciative and very much encouraging of the directness and simplicity and the truthful contour position from which you're bringing this so I'm completely with that it's more than I guess what's happening is the search for integration that I somehow feel these sort of impulse of true must be coming into different places because it does and some of these examples I mentioned purchase some of them I think the closest one that is really using a lot of your words even including the surrender and including the identification with the person in the name would be then still such free if you have these possibilities then even better even better the point here is that finally it's not about even what I stand for I am saying it's about what you experience how much are you going to keep on reading and listening and I mean if you start reading Sri Aurobindo it will be 20 years till you've read Savita and even understood one line which is also why I never wrote a book what is the point of writing another book there are that many books it's not at all you know posture of superiority it's just a posture of desperation that it's not anymore about anything else other than here and now and this Swami Vivekananda said a hundred years ago I am not the body and this is what I'm saying I'm saying I am the body now what what am I supposed to do if I'm saying that I mean he said that I said this we're all wonderful you know what I mean John if you're trying to make bridges it is only about one bridge if at all and that is the bridge to the soul and if you would take up that practice really because all the reading you do is happening in your head it's conceptual it is only when the actual practice is taken up actually surrender to the soul to try to see how similar is it or how different is it all going on in the head and it will never end maybe in this room there's somebody sitting will write a book tomorrow saying exactly what I'm saying wonderful even better no I truly do feel that genuine movements to life seem to come from an intuitive impulse then what about Ken Wilbur's quadrants by the time I read the third page I forgotten what's on the first page I mean it's a genius he's an intellectual genius but it's conceptual the approach because where is the surrender in that approach or for that matter and Andrew Cohen's approach or for that matter in any of the amazing Advaita gurus around right now where is the surrender show it to me if Master Sri has that surrender then I'm surrendered to him and happily so I'm for surrender I'm not for anything else I'm for surrender as the key to resolving this terrible sadness that is growing in that amazing body of spiritual seekers on this planet which are very few in number and for the surrender there that's all the intellectual brilliance is one thing but no it's been always more of an additional confirmation to confirm what I've been going through my own experience I've never been very much of a avid reader actually I've been very selective about it so I'm absolutely not that sensitive for getting lost the thing about you John is that you don't you don't know surrender you just don't know what it means and you have to bend now that's it life is going to push you into a corner and it's going to make you bend so before life does it to you why don't you do it interesting thing when you say that I've heard or mentioned earlier that there has been for some time now this in some truthful point that feels to me like it has been sometimes not easy to go with that but yes I don't completely know and surrender it and there's some genuine empty in me this is that's not true I do feel there is something I also feel that it's there there are flashes and moments yes but when I'm speaking about you don't know surrender I mean that sweetness of surrender which comes from the actual bending not from something pulling you in a direction and you going with it but the actual bending this is different you know it is a different posture one is going with the truth the other one is surrendering to the truth without having to go with it it's the next step I'm speaking about the next step after where you are now that's what I'm speaking about what I'm doing is I'm just basically pointing you inward go there in it's not something pulling you outward it's you bending inward this is a this is a opposing or opposite movement I don't know I don't know if you get what I'm saying maybe you do actually it's not about the truth is pulling me in this direction it is I John I'm in surrender to the truth just that when you speak about this very binary nature it almost feels like it's too conceptual for the truth why this bread or that bread but then I am here and I'm not here is not conceptual for the truth no sorry what I'm trying to say is when you give the when you give two choices it's still sort of maybe the ego giving those maybe it's not one of those maybe it's not anything at all John it's not a choice it's not a choice it is it is a it is a universal impulse of truth which is impulsing the system so if you come with something the impulse is either yes or no it's not a choice there is no choice that yes or no is not a choice it is a response to what you have come with should I eat this banana no there's no choice there it says what is the thing is that many find it very difficult to accept this because it's just that like there's just no spiritual poetry about it there's no incense stick about it there's no Bach essence about it but what can I do if it is like that and that is what the Agnya the command is to speak this out fearlessly everywhere this is not an invention of mine I guess the reason why I'm speaking more about ongoing movement is that I don't experience every single moment to moment move as a yes or no it's like you have to start saying something yes you need to get some of the rights works come it's not that there's first the process of sureness it is or that that's why I feel sometimes less binary and more well that that you're right about but the thing is that it's fundamental movement is binary meaning it's not that you go every time and ask when you are in that surrendered state really surrendered state then the actions that come out of it are you're in you're in tune with it so you move with it but but but but but there is a difference between that and being pulled into action because it is a surrender that's happening not a going with it it's a surrender it's not going with something it is actually surrendered to it is becoming that action it's a next step after moving into action from that these are very subtle subtle things that happen but there's a difference if you actually start this practice seriously you'll know what I'm speaking about because very soon you'll see the difference between flowing with the truth and being surrendered in the truth it's a decision to surrender you know now and now and now in surrender in surrender in surrender that is the master and this is the servant the instrument