 real Christians that really study the Bible ought to be incensed. I've been a preacher since I was a little boy. I am incensed and insulted that they have hijacked the Bible and Jesus to distort and misquote, well, it's not even misquote, create quotes that are not there to justify a right wing kind of ideology that would take away the rights of women and then scheduled to take other people's rights. Al Sharpton is the worst kind of Christian, meaning he's not even really a Christian. Al Sharpton is a person who doesn't care what the Bible say. He is someone who's really after his own gain. I don't even think that it really matters to him. The political side that he's on, I think he's chosen a side obviously, but I don't really think it matters, but because he is for himself and he's chosen his side, he's gonna do anything and everything that he can to promote whatever is in his best interest. And you see that often when it comes to, name of the two key issues, abortion and LGBTQ rights. We have got to stand up for women's rights because it's our rights and we cannot back up off of that. The Bible teaches you, these will be the consequences of your act. Now, I'm not even getting into the fact that there are varying degrees of why people get abortions from incest, to rape, to medical reasons, all that. I'm getting with the core thing of choice. Do not use your or my personal religious views to impose on other people. Pro birth means they're gonna force you to be born, no matter what the circumstance. But after you're born, they have nothing they agree with to help enhance your life. Being pro birth is not really a put down, Al. I don't have a problem with being pro birth. I am pro birth, I'm pro giving a baby a chance at life. And then after that, am I pro funding everything about that child's life? No, I'm not, but that's a whole another story. But the fact that you would use the Bible or not use the Bible to back up a point, but just to invoke it, yep, that's a huge issue with a lot of people and it's not just with abortion. Obviously, Al is gonna find himself even in league with the LGBTQ community. Hi, I'm Reverend Al Sharpton, an American for marriage equality. As a Baptist minister, I don't have the right to impose my beliefs on anyone else. So if committed gay and lesbian couples wanna marry, that's their business. None of us should stand in their way. All of us must fight for what's fair and for what's right. Join me and the majority of Americans who support marriage equality. As committed Christians, we should stand up and say what the Bible says. We have a right to want to have what we feel be promoted. Others who are not godly, that's fine. And they're doing a wonderful job of promoting any and everything that's ungodly. But we as Christians, especially if we name that name unlike Reverend Al does, we ought to stand up and be bold. But I'm so glad, I'm so thankful, because let's be honest, too many people, especially even black pastors, tend to side with things that are not godly because of political expediency, meaning that because one particular party promotes that and they feel like their interest lies in that rather than their biblical interest, godly interest. And so I'm thankful that at least we've got some people, some pastors, some preachers who will stand up and be strong and bold for the word of God. Pastors like Terry Anderson. Great wickedness, homosexual men prowling the streets, looking for other men. And that sin is so base, so abhorrent, so pervasive that God calls it in his word an abomination. And the word abomination means a fierce, hot hatred. Well, that's what you wanna see. You wanna see a man of God stand up and proclaim not his opinion and follow the whims and the wishes and the winds of the world, but follow the dictates of the Bible. He does that when it comes to homosexuality, LGBTQ community, and he also does that a staunch supporter of babies being born, of abortion rights. Matter of fact, not of abortion rights, but really against abortion rights, because he believes that babies are human beings at conception. I'm not on either side, right or left, when it comes to the abortion issue. I'm on God's side because I believe what the Bible says and as a preacher of the gospel, I have to stand not conservatively or liberally on the subject. I've got to stand biblically on the subject because the Bible is not conservative or liberal, Republican, or Democrat. The Bible is the word of God. And as the word of God, it must be fully understand by the people of God and boldly preached by the man of God if there will be faith in the power of God. I don't have a political agenda this morning. I have a biblical conviction that a baby is always in God's eyes made at conception. Amen, I mean, could you imagine? I mean, the difference is striking. Here's a man who is clearly and boldly proclaiming the word of God, unlike Al Sharpton. These two people are just two diametrically opposed individuals. I mean, think about it. They are so different. Al claiming to be a preacher, and then you compare him to someone like Terry Anderson, a true man of God. Could you even imagine somebody like Al Sharpton preaching at Terry Anderson's church? He's the lily of the valley, the bright and morning star. He woke me up this morning, started me on my way. Yes! Yes! Yes! To my shock, here I am thinking that Terry Anderson is a man of God who has some convictions and he'll stick by those convictions. We don't really have to speak a whole lot about Al Sharpton. Al Sharpton is who he is. He's been known about for the longest. Here's a person who was caught in a drug deal by federal agents who, to avoid any sort of conviction or jail time, became informant. That part is clear. Here's a person with a shady past who has done all sorts of shady things, been involved in shady things, and has found a place at home with a particular party and a particular newscast. So we don't really have to go into great detail about what sort of person, what sort of really truth be told, and you don't really like to use this word, but someone who was kind of pimping, who was kind of using the church for his own means, Reverend Al Sharpton. He's not a reverend. He's not a man of God. He's not a preacher. Though the sad part is that churches would even invite this man in from time to time to preach, to teach, to speak. And when he was there at Lily Grove, he's not even really preaching. He's not speaking. He's just simply just, he's giving a political rally more than anything else. And it is sad to see this man being embraced by somebody who we thought was a defender of the gospel in the black community. Now you wanna see that in all communities, but certainly in the black community, but particularly in the black community because we see the rate of abortion affecting disproportionately the black community. And so if there's a voice that needs to be heard to call this out, it should be black preachers who do not fear, who do not count out, who do not bow down and bend over for a particular party for whatever reason they're gonna serve God. That's what we thought we had in Terry Anderson. That's not actually what we actually had. He is not what we had. He's not who we thought we had. He is someone who decided that he will be friend. And apparently he's been having this thing with Al Sharpton coming in for some time. And there's no secret who Al Sharpton is. Al Sharpton is about himself. How do I know so? Well, just look at his past, but even if you just listened to the sermon that he preached when he was at Lily Grove Baptist Church, listen to this clip. He says, he compares when asked, what book would you listen to when you've kind of got yourself in trouble? He finds something greater than the scriptures to lift himself up. One of the ministers said, you know when I go through a situation, I take my Bible and I read what God did for Job. And it gives me the strength to go on. Another one said, well, I don't read Job, I read Jeremiah. Said, just like fire, shut up in my bones. They went around the room, they finally got to me. They said Al, what do you do when you're facing? I said, well, let me tell you the truth. When I face a situation, I don't read Job's story cause the whole story may not be there. I don't read Jeremiah's story. I get off somewhere quiet and I hit the rewind button in my own mind. And I think about what God done for me. So you really have to go back and listen more to it cause he kind of goes on. But one, it began as a political speech and then ended up about him. How, no, I don't really need to read how God has done something in someone else's life in the Bible and so forth, but about me. And I kind of get what he's saying. But again, it's still my life, my struggles are greater than what has happened in the Bible. So rather than focus on the Bible, I'll focus on me. I'll get my encouragement from myself enough for me, which kind of makes sense. That it really has been him. Now, is baffling that someone like a Terry Anderson who we thought of a certain way would have him there? Now, I don't know if you've seen it. If you haven't, you're gonna hear it now where Seiko Woods calls up Terry Anderson. They're in the same city. So he calls him up and asks him, hey, I guess they have a mutual friend and asks him, why would you allow this man just trying to get some sort of clarification because surely there's something that we're missing. Well, interestingly enough, is the way this whole conversation went. It's gonna cause you to have even less of an appreciation. As a matter of fact, almost every, not almost, every ounce of respect that I have for him pretty much left after hearing this exchange on this phone call. That's the Anderson. Yes. Good, so are you, sir? So how are you? Doing fine. Thank you for taking my call and I appreciate you taking time out of your schedule to speak with me. I, we have a mutual pastor and friend, pastor. And he gave me your contact number and I wanted to speak with you personally to share my concerns with you regarding a video that was released on the 11th of this month. You had invited Al Sharpton to speak at your church. And my concerns, and I'm pretty sure, well, I'll just speak for myself. My wife and I had been watching and had been following your ministry for quite some time. And I've always enjoyed your preaching. I've always enjoyed the way you delivered the truth and the principles, the biblical principles about what you stood and stand on. But I must be honest with you, Pastor Anderson. As a fellow pastor as well, I was concerned and disappointed of you allowing Al Sharpton to speak at your church two weeks ago. And I just wanted to speak with you regarding that and to find out what was the biblical reasons for allowing this man. Well, first of all, hold on, Reverend. Sure. First of all, you don't tell me who to allow to preach at my church. I never said that. You way out of line. I never said that. I said, I don't have to answer you or anybody else who allow to preach at Little Grove Church. That's offensive to me. Well, if you allow me the opportunity to share my concern to me. No, no, I don't want to hear your concern because you offended me already by saying that. Well, how did I offend you if I'm saying biblically that that is a concern? But you don't tell me what to do at Little Grove Missionary Baptist Church. You passed to your church. Well, but that's not the word of God. But does not the word of God, Pastor Anderson, tell us all on who we should allow and who we should permit to speak in God's church? Because it's not your church. It's God's church. You don't have anything to do with who preach at Little Grove Church. You worry about your church and I'll take care of mine. Well, that's not the point I'll make it, Pastor Anderson. But I don't want to hear your point, not Reverend, because you offended me. How have I offended you? I don't tell you what to do at your place and you don't tell me what to do at mine. So I get off my phone. Wait a minute. Are you saying that it's okay to have people like? I'm sorry, Segly hung up on you and that's about the best response that he could give. But really he made a bad situation worse. You would hope to have heard some sort of defense as to bring this man in. Come and find out that he does this, I guess, at least once a year annually. But then to have the tact that who are you to ask me to question me anything about my church? Well, we have a term in the community. This term is used really as a mean put down as though you're selling out, as for black folks, you're selling out other black people. But the term also applies to you, sir. You are a sellout. You have sold out the gospel, you've sold out the church for, I don't know if it's a friendship, for whatever it is. There's a passage that it comes to mind. This is in Joshua chapter five. Joshua is obviously a man of God and he comes across the man, the commander of the Lord's army says, matter of fact, let's back up. When Joshua was by Jericho in verse 13, he lifted up his eyes and looked, and behold, a man was standing before him with his drawn sword in hand. And Joshua went to him and said to him, are you for us or are you for our adversaries? Joshua wants to know who's side you are. My side or their side? Look at what he says. He says no, which is really not the way you'd answer questions because Joshua didn't ask a yes or no question. He asked it, opening the question that required more. And so he gives him more. He says, no, but I am the commander of the army of the Lord. Now I have come and Joshua fell on his face to the earth and worship and said, what does my Lord say to his servant? Here's the whole point. It's not for Joshua to ask, whose side are you on? Lord, whose side are you on? Ours or theirs? Now he didn't know whose presence he was in at first, but then it gets flipped. No, the question is Joshua. The question is Terry Anderson, whose side are you on? Are you on my side or you on God's side? Are you for the world? That's the issue. And the very fact that you would bring in someone like Al Sharpton, who promotes the things that you say that you are against, who promotes gay marriage, who promotes the LGBTQ agenda, who is promoting abortion and is using the Bible to do so or even more so to attack other Christians for standing up for what we see as a biblical belief. The question is this though. And this is what the Bible says for us. He says this in 2 Corinthians 6, 14 says, do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers for what partnership with lawlessness or what fellowship has light with darkness. That's the real question. What's this fellowship about? Why would you seemingly on the light side, the good side, the godly side have this fellowship with this person who clearly is not. This person who's clearly using the title, pimping the religion and other believers, other naive believers, particularly other naive black believers if they are believers. What fellowship do you have? Oh, maybe this is it. When the Bible tells us in Amos 3, 3, he says, do two walk together unless they have agreed to meet. How so to walk unless they've agreed? So maybe there is some agreement. Maybe what we see on stage or on Sunday is different than what we see behind the scenes. You have a different persona. Who you really are is not what we see. That's an issue because that seemed to be the issue when Seiko asked you the question. You were offended because someone asked you who they thought was a respected godly man. You were offended because you brought a wolf into the sheepfold. You brought someone who we know has no biblical characteristics, no biblical traits. You were offended that someone would have the audacity to ask you and what you say about your church. It's not your church. It's not your church, sir. And but what you are is exactly what Paul says you are. He says in Romans 2, 8, he says, but for those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury. I hope that's not you. I hope this is just a blip, something that we shouldn't hold against you. I hope what we really are is that where maybe it's the issue where you're not getting enough understanding. Maybe you're wrong. We know you're wrong, but maybe we should just kind of give you a little more grace when it comes to dealing with this. Maybe this is an error, a lapse in judgment, but apparently this is a yearly and annual lapse in judgment. And so I don't know how much to give you. I'm not condemning you, but again, you need to figure out, and especially anyone who's following this person needs to figure out whose side they are on. If we're gonna say one thing, we're not gonna go and entertain people who's promoting the very thing that we say is sin, that you said was wicked, that you agree that the Bible calls an abomination, that you agree that where the Bible calls this murder, you agree with this, but this person who is actively engaged in tearing down what the word of God is about, you cozy up in fellowship with this person and you guys have a pretty good relationship. Again, how do two walk unless they agree? Unfortunately for us, unfortunately for your own local church, unfortunately for the body, it seems as though you do agree with him, at least for some sort of political expediency, who knows what it is, but that's something that you really do need to give an account for pastor. You really do.