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Here we go in three two Come back to Apple vision show I'm Sarah Lane And I'm Eileen Rivera and we are joined by our very first guest on the show in episode three Lamar Wilson I am so honored to be here for your your third show man This is this is all I didn't expect to be here To your 97 show, but I'm here now. Oh now you also want to be okay We let me write this down Lamar wants to be on the 97th show. Yeah, I guess we have to do 97 You know forever more you're always gonna be known as our very first guest No, one can take that title away from me. Never Lamar. Never never let them see you sweat. I would never I have sweat protection on it's nothing. Yes Lamar Wilson a friend of the show friend of the crew and also in Apple vision pro owner And we know we know a little bit about how you've felt about the vision pro the you know the good the bad The pros and cons up until now But we thought it would be awesome to have you on the show with us to talk a little bit more about All of that especially since we're going into what week three now. This is week three. Wow Yeah time that's what people have had it people have had it and you know what guys people are returning it they are return people are returning the vision pro but The more that people Seem to be digging into like well, how many returns are really happening the more it sounds like it's kind of pretty Pedestrian it's not like Everyone who bought the vision pro is returning it. Okay, so few things There are people who would have bought it and did You know knowing that it was expensive Wanting to check it out knowing that they were gonna return it anyway that so that's one category Yeah, then there are the folks who were sort of like I just don't really get You know how this makes my life better and that would be you know a very valid category And then there's that other kind of third You know who's really returning it and why like what exactly is what exactly is wrong with the vision pro or something that Is not what you expected it to be and I think that's kind of the gray area that we're all talking about now and from what Markerman's from Bloomberg's sources said When I read his latest article, which was as of this recording a few hours ago It's not like in droves. It really isn't it's just the sort of stuff that makes headlines because that's what makes headlines Yeah, I mean how many units do we even know yet? How many units were actually so I don't think they're gonna give out that information But I can't imagine it was a ton. I mean we even talked about it last week, you know Sarah at the Super Bowl that was a pretty high profile event that Apple was sponsoring. They didn't really tout The headsets at all. They never how they didn't there was no commercials or anything. So, you know, it's not for the consumer it's for early adopters and developers and enthusiasts and You know content makers who want to try it out and then return them But yeah, I I don't feel like that many units were so the freaking expensive first of all Why why would you know most of us buy them? No, yeah And it's not really needed in our lives yet, although, you know, there will potentially be use cases in the future So, I don't know. I mean, I just I I'm not surprised that it's a low rate But I'm also thinking not many were sold in the first place. What do you think Lamar? Yeah, I have a friend that works at a store in I think he's in Arizona and then of course This is anecdotal. This is based on his story. So he was saying that he saw a higher than normal return rate there But again, is it because it's that particular area? This is you know, you know, there's a lot of people curious about it But what was funny? He was like although he was trained on it. He's he's in the back He's one of the techs But he was like the people like when the first few people started returning it the sales people had no idea what to do They're like wait, how do we Like what do we do? Do we how do we reset? They had no idea how to reset it and think so. Yeah, so yeah Yeah, it was it was like a what some people were there like an hour hour and a half until they figured out what they were doing With the return so I just thought that was interesting But he did he said they weren't it wasn't like they were lines out the door to return it It was just you know People knew that they had that 14-day window and they waited until the 14th day for for most of them I've done that with all sorts of products in the past and just to elaborate on that other category That third that third category turners and you briefly mentioned Ali, but it I From a content creators perspective I know that other creator of the other categories a lot of Influenced like you said influencers who knew from the beginning that they could put this on their card their apple card Or whatever and go crazy make a bunch of content and then and make a bunch of money and then return it and it's still make a profit and I Personally think that sucks when people do because you're basically like I don't I won't go so far as saying stealing But like you know like if you go to you knew that you weren't gonna keep this thing Yeah, and and yeah, I mean no, I mean it's it's above board For sure, but at the same time. Yeah, it's still frowned upon in a community like But it's not illegal not illegal you can buy something and return it within 14 days You know with a dress I wore to a wedding. Yeah, but but you but you'll have stores like is like best buys a good example if you Habitually did that and they started realizing what you're doing. They could they won't they can the blacklist you could Oh, yeah, oh, you're because now you can look up people like wait, you got a review channel Oh, that's all you're doing. You're getting all the latest stuff and then returning it So that that actually have you had issues with that just because you know in your line of work Lamar No, I mean no, but I used to work retail. Yeah, you know, so certain things you just saw so that was like high return. I Still have mine. I You know, I briefly briefly and I mean like for five seconds thought it. Oh, yeah, I have my You got your cover on I do fancy pants But I briefly thought about it for like five seconds I'm just like do I want to keep this and the answer was immediately? Yes, and we can talk about more of that But yeah, it was it was a slight hesitation just to make sure myself that this is going to be worth it for me On a long-term basis. Yeah I mean we can get into it now like, you know, you decided not you decided to keep it and Those reasons those reasons Yeah, exactly like what like what what's what's the pro versus the con for you So the pro for me, I like I'm a early adopter. I like I like new tech, of course I'm you know, and I love Apple products and I have I have other VR headsets or you know, this this to me just felt Different and special I'm also a concert creator, but I didn't really make make I could have made a bunch of videos on it Too many money, and I didn't I made a couple because I really just wanted to focus on if I wasn't a creator How would I use this as a regular person on a day-to-day basis? And what I found out is, you know, once you get over the weight of it with which is the main complaint It is the best experience form for a video and for movies that I have ever experienced in my life matter of fact, I am going to be personally championing and Telling Apple daily somehow that I they need to go talk to the theaters and do some kind of special thing where They date, you know, they they release movies just for the app You know, we can get them that we have to pay 30 40 bucks But I want that experience here because it's crazy when you put the thing on I am looking at a theater For perspective, I opened up. I don't know if you looked at a Sarah I opened up the IMAX app because they finally put it put it I should and my my god I mean besides you seeing that you're in a IMAX theater because the way that you know It's the it's the you still look like you're sitting in a chair of the IMAX But it's it's crazy how your brain tricks you the perspective of the lens, you know lens is like right here You're looking at a screen that is look that is an IMAX. It's a level screen. Yeah, and and and it's It's incredible. Another thing I looked at Besides well, I'll talk about immersive video in a second, but like yeah, I rewatched the halftime show of the Superbowl Yeah, I asked Sarah to watch it. So I don't know if you did Sarah No, no, we could both talk about it. Yeah, no that yeah, it was weird I was just standing in my kitchen. I had it on I was doing some other stuff and I was looking at music app I'm like, oh, they got they have it cool. I click it now I was sudden it's just this huge screen in front of me and and I just stood there and I'm like, oh My like it's so big and and then lots of Alicia Keys and I enjoyed that And and then usher, you know, like like everything everything was feel like you could touch you skates. What's not so well Not one that was immersive that it was an immersive video like the Alicia Keys video in Apple TV plus that is more like I could reach out Actual immersive. Yeah. So there's two types of videos that I love I love I love that movie theater quality I watched I watched several movies on it already and then there's that immersive video Which I think and I lean you go to a lot of concerts I think if they get those cameras if they go get those cameras in sports venues and concerts That's that's a premium I would be willing to pay for it because that is that is an experience Where it's all like you're sitting in front row or you're sitting on the stage where the camera is It's just it's an incredible feeling of the most of the most part that was gonna be my question for both of you is Do we do we see a world? Sooner than later where this sort of thing is like, yeah I mean, maybe you could go to the concert. Maybe it's far away from you or too expensive or you know, whatever But then you could have you know the experience That is not 2d, but it's immersive and you know, we'll we'll you know, people will be like Let me put this headset on bye guys seeing three hours Listen concert tickets are like a hundred and fifty dollars if they were gonna charge me fifty dollars For something that I'm like Luke warm into I will probably watch it now There's nothing like going to a show and feeling it and being with the crowd You know and there's there's a little bit of that communal that I miss in movie theaters as well But if for all intents and purposes like if if there's like three nights one night I go live the other night I watch on the the pro. Yeah, I'm doing it I'm buying it because I want to experience it because I probably got crappy seats And I will not be able to see their pores But if I'm watching a version of the concert, I can Yes, I'm gonna pay for seventy five dollars. Yeah, I'll do it I mean seriously some of these these concert tickets are like three hundred five hundred dollars these days like yikes The only problem is you it will be an isolating experience you and Tom would not be able to enjoy that together. Yeah, that is true Yeah, that's true. Well, he bought it, too. Yeah. Yeah, okay So so I'm glad you brought this up Lamar because that was my it was gonna be my next question To both of you is like oh cool They're you know the whole sort of like like the ha ha like you're wearing Something on your head thing like put that aside, right? If you if you've paid for a concert, you're in the comfort of your own home. You can do whatever you want But what about the other person who's in your house? What about the kids? You know, you can't all share that same headset Do you have to like go into a room just to make other people feel more comfortable? They're like they're there's some sort of like a you know like a I Don't know like a polite Radar thing that I'm not totally sure where we're all used to you I'm glad you I'm glad you asked I saw I lean definitely give because you live with someone But like I saw a video where a guy was talking about that They had roommates and one of them had it and he said he he he put it on and he was in his own world He said and the other people around them was like at first was cool. They watching them They was like man. Yeah, he's really disconnected from us. He's not he's not he's in the room. Oh, yeah But he's so he's somewhere else completely and imagine you're at a you know, you know a party or like you said It's just a bigger family. Just you know, and you're I think you're right I think you almost have to the cool thing is if you don't have much room You can go in the bathroom and have a whole theater experience on the toilet You know Careful that you don't drop it in the water But yeah, no when I was using the vision pro I was sitting in the couch and I just kind of wanted to keep exploring exploring Tom was sitting next to me and yes, you can airplay some stuff You can't airplay the the the concerts are you know some of the music videos the music But you can you know airplay. Oh, I'm on safari. It's kind of Boring nobody wants to see that so they want to see the cool stuff But he was just sitting there and I kind of felt bad and I was like, oh, I guess I should stop But I didn't really want to stop because I was trying and I just wanted to kind of explore more But it is he's just sitting there like oh, I guess I'll go read I'll just look at you something else what you do. Are you gonna and the question was are you gonna? How much longer are you gonna do this for? Oh, I guess I could stop soon. You feel guilty You feel like oh, but I wish I could share this Especially I mean it's sort of like it's it's it's not unlike the way that if I were you know If all three of us were in a room together and you know, I'm on the couch and I'm looking at my phone. I'm You know laughing at something everyone else is like what's funny? Yeah, you know, I already doing this Aren't they with their phones? I didn't think yeah, I mean it's it's not unlike that, but You know in that sense, I feel like I could just look up and be like, oh, it's a funny cat video, you know You know what it's there? It's the it's the you're on a bus or you're on a plane and someone is on a call and Is that kind of discomfort you can't hear? Oh, yeah, so it's a one-sided. It's a one-sided So you're more irritated with it because you're just hearing them. It's not that you're trying to be nosy It's just something in the brain you you're you're you're more irritated But so I don't have the context. You don't have the context. Oh, yeah, you're covering up your eyes You're I mean, I know you can do the little eye thing Are you looking at me? Are you looking at the thing? What are you looking at? Why are you staring at me? What are you doing, you know, and you're not so I have a friend who's been Staying with me and the other day because tiktok released its native vision of sf Yeah, you know, I was like, all right. All right, you know, let's let's let's whirl You know, so I'm I'm walking around, you know, I'm laughing and I'm liking and I'm you know doom whatever And you know about like half an hour later. They were like That was so weird But like in my mind, I'm like there was pass-through I knew where you were we're we were fine like I wasn't blind Yeah, they can't they can't see it was all good. Yeah, it was all good But I think that yeah the person who feels left out, I guess would be the way to describe it Yeah, you know, it ends up being like, yeah, you know, this seems very isolating But you made us such a good point because I'm not I'm not around groups a lot But like the phone especially someone has headphones if they're sitting there giggling or laughing at tiktok and they have headphones on I have been in that situation where I got a friend. I'm over their house hanging out and One of them, you know, they're just in their own world looking at tiktok because there's nothing, you know Nothing really there's no conversation going on. Yeah, and it's usually fine until I want them to engage like I'm like, hey You know, and then we didn't you know, but like it's a little bit harder. You got this thing on your he's like, what? You gotta come I gotta come out of my world. What do you want? You know, so I but I think as someone said in a check I've missed who said it like we haven't we haven't developed etiquette for this yet So it's it's one of those learning things has the quest been out for a while. Yes You know VR, but just to not enough people have had it to start developing these things and and eight This is really a mixed reality type of situation. It's not you know VR no one's gonna walk around with VR because you're gonna trip and tell yourself You know, like this this will mix with AR. You can see what's going on. So it's a little bit different But I think the etiquette I think the etiquette would be Will be developed over time, you know, just just like Google Glass had no it didn't work either. I'm just kidding. I Heard y'all talk about that last last week. Yeah That's an early early prototype, I feel like not ready for prime time As we talked about it's always when Apple enters The the competition then it becomes prime time, right? Apple has entered the chat Well, that's what ends up. That's what it's probably going to the next segment that that prop that's what irritates people Who have what they consider a device that's better or device that's already out? Why are you all coming in being all? Oh my god Looks the greatest thing ever and I did a video covering that where it's like you got to understand not everybody For reasons of just not wanting to deal with meta or reasons of they just haven't done it have not experienced VR before Yeah, like a lot of people have that so this is your first time and so they're gonna have these wow Oh my gosh moments But you're sitting there with your meta question your experience in your in your you know A lot of people feeling irritated because it's like, you know, this thing has been they act in it same thing happened Android and I was right, you know, it's the same conversation Again, but like but yeah a lot of people with the meta quests who are not not happy about this one particular person Yeah Yeah, so yeah to to unpack that a little bit Mark Zuckerberg, obviously CEO of meta Posted a video. I don't know a couple minutes long on Instagram just talking about how you know He tried the vision pro. He liked it but felt that the quest Experience is just better in all respects and so a lot of people Either sort of laughed him off the stage because it's like I don't know it's Mark Zuckerberg Or said, well, we don't really agree with you. I feel like I was somewhere I don't know but kind of in between I and I I said on the show last week is You know, if I were to compare the vision pro to the quest I would say the quest is more of a toy and the vision pro is more of a like developer product Which I stand by But that's also because the quest just has a lot of like gamey fun things that you can do with it and Vision pro doesn't really have that ecosystem yet so it's not that like Having the vision pro Makes it seem like oh, well, you have to you know, get down to work That's all that's all this thing is for it very much is not it's for whatever you want it to be Yeah, right, but the the quest can say yeah, we've been doing this for a while Um, I think Mark Zuckerberg Honestly, he he has some points First of all quest way cheaper way cheaper. I would say are you bleed more? just a Less of a burden to wear on your head You know, I mean I got three quests behind me and they're all not as Heavy as the soul vision pro that we have they also don't have to be tethered to a battery pack So, you know that Is I mean if you're like well, who cares? I'm just gonna sit there and play Tetris all day It's like well, maybe you wouldn't care, but if you're doing something that's you know kind of You know, yeah physical which is part of the fun of all of this Then that is it is a hindrance. I think Now have either of you taken your Apple vision pro out on the streets. Yeah in the public How did that go? How did that go? I just speak you reminded me because you mentioned the battery pack and how it's annoying that you have to Carry that so I did this I got it. Yeah Yeah Mention friend staying with me So I was like, alright, we're gonna go around the block like like a like one block radius Not a big deal, but I can't do this by myself because I'm worried that it's a fair weird about me Yeah, whatever all all weird. So we went it was fine We did have a couple people pass us who were just sort of like what's she doing Um, but uh, yeah, it was fine. It was fine. I don't think I would be comfortable doing that on my own And did you do anything with it? Like did you like? Besides wearing it. Did you like have an app on? Because it was the experience to use outside or not. So what I did was I was more or less treating it as my I Like I you know Just sort of the homepage home screen. Okay. Yeah, so, you know, I was sort of like, all right Let's look at messages Okay, you know, let's let's just let's just sort of do things that you would do in any sort of On your phone. Yeah, exactly Exactly kind of casual stuff. I wasn't trying to like crunch numbers but but I think My takeaway from this is and again early days is I feel like when I'm doing that and I'm out and about because I can see the world I feel pretty good like the past there is good, you know, we're good, but people don't realize that about me So they think I'm blind They think I'm wearing something and I can't see the real world and that's that's a strange thing And that's why I feel like it's weird to be out and about in the real world wearing this because People don't realize that you can see them too. It looks like you're more or less wearing an eye mask That's a good point and to answer your question. No, I have not No, I will not now I had a friend over at last night. We're talking about these He's like what scenario what you wear this and we're talking about I just think she got she got caught in the in a Airline what you know, like will you wait for the plane? Oh, yeah, but she also showed herself putting her hair done with it I was like, how is that possible? Yeah hair done with the thing on the terminal word with that And I was like so I wouldn't be comfortable there, but I'm my airline seat in my airplane seat Oh, yes, yeah, I and I'm actually playing a trip next month and I said that might be the first time I take it Especially cuz I cuz I boy cuz yeah, I'm gonna have my single seat anyway And I was like he's a four-hour flight and I was gonna, you know immerse myself, you know Yeah, the lady will come up as you want, you know, I want to test all day to see hey Does it come in the view with the person approaches say would you like a refill or what? You know, like I want to see all of that But other than that I wanted just I'm gonna download movies. I just realized you could download movies to it I mean I did buy the terabyte one. I should kind of start you got a lot of room things like things like that But yeah Speaking of that, I mean going back to the Super Bowl half-time show. I mean Lamar it sounds like you are you're a fan of Or or maybe, you know, I'll let you speak for yourself. What are you a fan of the most? At this point with a vision pro Okay, sorry that you made the fan of the things inside the vision pro All right, now I would There is no killer app and then that's subjective I'm just giving my opinion On that but I would say the early signs of the game I really like the game the arcade I've been playing like lots of chess and there's this game called yachts in the in the game room Yeah, it's like which is I think it's like a variation of Yahtzee honest. Yeah, it is Like like like you're on a yacht. Yeah, yeah, and it's a I didn't know how to it's a great game So you literally have this table in front of you and I put it on my I put it I'm using air quotes here on my ottoman in front of me. And so I'm like playing playing the war games I have I've done that for a few hours. I love that but I would say my killer app using quotes again would be The theater video because there's two like in my I'm gonna go back. There's two types of video. Oh The immersive is my favorite But I know that's not gonna be the one that's gonna be the one to push out They're gonna be able to push out everywhere first. You got to make that content, right? You got to get those cameras in there. Sure, but they but they showed an animal preserve I watched one deletion keys when I watched one with the lady was like I guess a hang gliding though She was like on a tight rope tight rope. Yeah. Yeah, there's some there's some cool things Was that kind of immersive the dinosaur one? You know where they're like it scared me cuz one just came out of nowhere to the side of me and I was like, whoa Oh, I mean, I mean, I'm in it. I'm in this thing. Okay. It's not real But yeah, I think for me watching V especially Avatar like 3d avatar on there. It's a me. I don't know if you got a chance to check that out, sir I'm in this in a Disney app the The avatar to oh my god, like it's actually actual 3d. Did I like? Not not not 3d at a theater. I don't care for as much. I don't I don't know interesting So you you prefer you're like I like 3d now using this device versus using Yeah, yeah, I just I just it from a technical point of view. I just I just like that again I I know that the glass is right here, but that projection it gives you like it's way out there. This is huge screen That's just that's just amazing to me and I I want to see I was I want to see more. Yeah more movies take advantage of that in some ways But I think I think it's an entertainment device to me I will mention one thing I did edit two videos on it. I used it as a big screen as from a Mac. That was fun To make it a big screen. Yeah, you know use your did you use your mouse or did you use your fingers? Oh, no, I use I use my Mac keep a Mac book I use my mic my Mac keyboard and mouse and track it. I wasn't trying to do anything Comes a monitor, um, which is yeah, um, I made I made it 50. I thought that worked out really well for me as well But before we started recording the show, we were all talking about Taking naps over the weekend or you know whenever we can get our our naps in I mean, I feel like There are times where I put on the Vision Pro and I might not even be sleeping But it's it's more or less like hey guys, I'm gonna go nap for a minute Or three hours, we're maybe four hours Watching a movie or you know doing something it feels very I don't know comfy now again This is not something that Apple invented You know the VR experience is very sort of like by world. I'm going to do something else and I think that Apple Has very deliberately been like no, it's not about VR, you know, it's spatial computing And I think it can be both of those things Mm-hmm, but but I think you know one of the like, you know Lamar you're talking about going on a trip You know you got four hours. It's like oh my gosh. This is the best plane Like hang ever. Oh, yeah, I can't wait, you know Like I I'm either gonna be napping or I'm gonna be doing this and you know Why not like put a movie on and and you know just kind of like lean into it Oh, really did you mention sleep? So I think I mentioned it's on the light and the other shows on but The first couple days I hate I think you're the first day I Got I finally got it to because I got it delivered late So it was like middle, you know late and I am finally setting it up and everything I started using it I was it was an hour in I Don't I forgot what I was looking at I was on some screen It may have been it might have been like one o'clock in the morning All of a sudden instantly It's pitch black and I'm like wait, what just happened and I've opened it and it's four in the morning. I passed out I fell asleep on the couch And I'm like it must have been that comfortable on my face though It was that comfortable. So there was a moment of not not panic, but just a half second like where am I? Why is it pitch black? Yeah And then I opened and I pulled them pulled them up shows how good the light seal is and my living room It's completely bright because I had the lights on and I was like, whoa I just passed out and I did that a couple times with this with this thing. So I I Like it for that you can actually use it as a as a mask on a plate You know, they're you know, there are Quite a few people who were sort of like this is heavier than I thought it would be, you know I can't wear this all day, you know ice train kind of thing But and and and I think all of those things are valid. In fact, I got some ice train after Watching the native Tik Tok app, which we'll get to in a minute Like sitting back and just watching the Super Bowl show Kind of thing it's like, you know, if I'm already comfy got a comfy couch got a got a pillow behind me. We are good Yeah, I think so You know, I really hope that it is a device that you could do more sort of communication With your friends, but that persona is so horrid That I do not want to be talking to anybody with my horrible persona. It's just it's they, you know, it was so funny I lean because you know, she and I are Sharing one unit. So we kind of like wipe it, you know before the other person has a To do the thing and she was like, I did not like my persona Maybe look like a man. It was just bad news and I was like, oh, well, you know, let's see and you know I did for myself and I was like, it looks like me but like the worst version of Right, it's like even worse than your driver's license card. Right. Yeah. Yeah, like like a like a weird like Yeah, I totally have to call you like a like a bad driver's license Right after the show I'm calling you. It's me You guys know it's me. It's not that cute I would rather have like a caricature cartoon, you know, be my avatar There's a lot of that. Yeah. Yeah, just my initials. Sorry like if it's gonna be that or no face No face, but I you know, I'd like to be able to see, you know using we're talking about, you know technology I think before the show and global Having more access. So yeah, let's call people. Let's you know, let's chat with other people But not with that persona that persona situation is That needs a revision Apple revise your persona stat. That is ugly. Well, I Think if I'm not mistaken vision OS has Already added an update to that. So Oh, thank God starting from maybe Starting from scratch will be better than it was before. Yeah, I know these these are like such little things But then yeah, they matter. They do matter. Yeah, especially if you've made $3,500 Matters, I still want to look especially then. Yes. I want to like hey Maybe I actually got my hair done and did a little makeup and then you see my persona instead That's rude Apple, that's just really because that's right It's it's a it's a frozen time when you set in a moment in time when you set it up Yeah, yeah, you can look totally different get your haircut or whatever Yeah, later, but yeah, I mean I said mine up in middle of the night. I looked to how I looked I was like all excited, but like I wasn't wearing lipstick. I didn't have mascara on like I was sort of like Yeah, it does look like me but In a bad way, I guess in a way. It is us. It is our bear us. It's it's like Okay So going back to I mentioned tick tock tick tock Has a native app on vision OS now, which they released on Thursday last Thursday, I believe and maybe Friday and Lamar, I don't know how much you are consuming tick tock content How did you live for it? Okay, you live for it How did you feel about the Apple vision pro experience? It was interesting. I was I heard of it was coming So I went to my you know went to the tick tock it said Purchased on it, which is just meant on my other devices. I've downloaded, but it wasn't ready yet So yeah, later that day came on. I merely downloaded it Put put my count in I was just like Yeah, this is this is just a I put you know I made it really huge in front of me just to kind of exaggerate it and I really enjoyed it I will say it is they I won't say they rushed it out But like, you know, this is a 1.0. They don't you don't have your following feed I have so I also use the stem feed. That's not there. Thank God the tick tock shop It's not there, but I'm sure that'll be coming But you know, but but like if I can comment I can like really easy like literally just look my eye look at the The heart and just you know little tap and you know or say to my bookmarks that the experience was very fluid I like how translucent it looks. It's a good experience. It's a good 1.0 Experience of it. They got it. They got it out before YouTube did I mean, that's probably why they rushed it out because YouTube doesn't even have have something on there and It's sticky and it's addictive and I'm worried about that because I'm already I'm already addicted to this thing in a way of my phone I I will go a couple hours. I can just imagine on this thing is like if I plug in that battery Like everybody else is gone. If I especially if I get immersed if I turn on immersion, it's over Well, that's how I felt too. So I am I am not I I Just I don't know just because life is hard and I don't have time to watch tiktok all day But if I want to and I've got a good hour or two You know, I mean you can you can you can go down the rabbit hole really easily my first reaction Trying to watch my, you know, my my feed on tiktok Using vision pro. I was like, oh, this is dangerous Because it was so like just like oh it's perfect. You know, kind of like how we're talking about, you know, being on the plane Yeah, like it's just like, okay. All right. Lay back. Let's do this. And you know why I liked it so much because it At least on my TV. I know I last year was on a show where they were demoing on a Sony TV the tiktok app But it's not I have a huge TV and they don't have a tiktok app for the TVs yet Like across the board it may be a one or two two brands But I've always wanted that experience because I started looking at YouTube shorts on my TV now I'm like I like the experience is you know, like it's not that much different for me watching a widescreen And since I'm a vertical creator primarily, you know, I'm more in tune to that kind of video So this just felt it felt so natural the sound is great The scrolling is great. It is great Yeah, I don't even think people really talk about the sound. They don't and do you put headphones in or do you just let the Yeah, yeah, yeah, cuz I don't have anybody around me. Which is funny because Same Except my friend, but you know, I was like, can you hear that and they were like sort of when I'm like, cuz it's so loud to me Right Yeah Yeah, it's a yeah, it's like like we're looking at the M9. It's just it's just such a nice It's just such a nice experience and I was like, yeah, once they add the other and they will like I feel like they just like We look we got to get it out This thing is new people and people need a video player on here and they they beat everybody else to the market On it, you know, so I'm like, yeah, I'm really I'm very happy to see tip-tok on there and Now that you take this out You know, it's uh, you know the The company has said, all right, we're doing it We're gonna, you know, they would want to do it anyway They were I don't know why there was no ass version. So there's that but I mean, I think that's significant because Originally, it was sort of like Netflix Hulu YouTube everyone was like, nah, no, we're not but the thing that irritated me is that They're being stubborn about the iPad app because peacock paramount plus And a few others are on the vision pro. They're just then the iPad apps. So, yeah You know, they don't back up to give you that Theater experience because it's not a native app But it still is a large screen in front of you and that's all you too could have just easily Enable that until you get the vision pro experience, you know, I'm saying like I just I feel like and again I'm not running the billion dollar companies. I who knows to read the technical I just I just feel like it's it's already there like their iPad app is already there They didn't they wouldn't have to do any extra programming. It's there, you know And that's why I was like, I've been watching reading comics on it That's the other thing I didn't mention in the show notes I've been reading comics, but it took Marvel Unlimited About a week to just enable it. It's already is it's the iPad app It's already there, but they had to just go in and just say probably check a box. I'm probably simplifying yet Okay, but I'm speaking of comics and Eileen. I think this would speak to your experience Reading text. Yeah in the vision pro How do we all feel about it because I felt like I was good to go But after spending a little bit of time and tick-tock A couple of days ago, you know, just kind of checking it out. I I took that headset off and I was like, oh My eyes are tired Yeah, I mean, I think it depends on you know, if you're just simply Making your content on your phone or the way you normally do like those fonts those the weight of the whatever It may not translate enough or properly for your eyes. It's a different to me From what I remember it was a different experience. So just looking at Safari and reading like I was looking at That's how I went into the YouTube app and I'm like, wow There's a lot of information on here. It was a little much I mean, I know that it's supposed to be sort of the same experience on your like on your laptop But it's not so I feel like there's again, like we're talking slight tweaks They're there probably are better Like, you know, there's probably some sort of user case like these are the fonts that are much better for the Apple vision Pro or there be fonts made to to be able to read better or having a Stroke around instead most people are just porting their current content on there And it's like well, it's made for a different device, right? So I don't know I mean, maybe it'll get better, but it did I mean I had some eye strain But I was trying to read text on my email trying to read on like I said for Safari and yeah, you know I wouldn't do it for long periods of time Anything that would to for me that's been made native like reading a Safari now That's for me has been fine. The issue I have of text is kind of an obscure one But when I was editing video, so I but I connect to connect my Mac the Final Cut Pro is up. I I can see all the all the studies you need to read a final cut I can see I can see the timeline. I can see all that fine But when I'm looking at the screen that I edit, you know, the the you know The what's the call that the screen that's you know, that I'm the video that I'm actual app Okay, yeah, the video that video had some text in it and that That was blurry to me. Okay, and and I don't know that's a reason because it was blown up to a big 50 inch screen You mean that anyway, it's the Actually put in not like a book that had no, no, no, it was it was a it was a it was a video. I was watching I think I think I was actually doing something that's for the tic-tac app. I just gonna put it up You know, so whatever text was in there in that video was a little blurry heart a hearty-tree Yeah, so I just noticed cuz yeah again it and it could just be because I was blowing up at a resolution that it's just not made for You know that so so I that that's where I where I really have experience both do reading The comic even in the iPad app, you know, the Marvel unlimited is not made for it's not a you know It's not a vision pro app. I believe it's yeah, but yeah, but it's the iPad I had up. It's an iPad app and it's It's gorgeous matter of fact, I feel like I'm reading kind of better on it as you know, I don't like that's what that's my old man showing It's like, you know, yeah, I need that that large screen Don't even need my readers Do you think because it's art on the screen versus type? No, it's I mean, there's a lot of words it and yeah comics But I but I hear what you're saying, so I opened up the Apple Books app It gives a book I wanted to start reading it and That was that was I mean very crisp and everything But I had my next test to see how long can I handle reading in a book like before how many pages before I'm like Okay, yes, this is nice and big and it's in front of me, but is this to is it just too much? Yeah, because I'll see that all that way around it. It's glaring at you. Yeah, I haven't tested that I don't know if any either of you have done that yet. No, I haven't in fact That's that's probably a good thing to a good test of like, yeah, like this book I've been meaning to read You know Sleep my eyes might go cross, uh, you know who even knows Question for you. We'll do it. Yes. I always thought that something was wrong with my machine, but I looked on reddit By the way, the reddit for vision pro is insane. Like it's so I'm in it. It's yeah, it's it's so many. It's a lot of good posts, but it's a lot of like Like very like people. Yeah, just people. I'm here and I'm trying this weird thing. But anyway I've noticed as I was using this that about eyes. I feel like I feel like there's wind on my eyeball I feel like there's blow there's blowing and so I looked it up and all the people are saying the same thing Someone said I think there's something in in in there That's done purposely because your eyes do need the the airflow to keep them Yeah, it's but it's very subtle. It's very subtle drier Wouldn't yeah, yeah, I feel something on there and I thought it was just a weird sensation like It was an obvious fan. I would be like, okay, that's a fan blow in my eyes. It's not obvious Yeah, but but I was like, there's something there's something there and some yeah a few other people said the same thing So I don't I don't know if it's an actual fan. There's very subtle But yeah, it it tended to make my eyes water more at I don't know. Maybe that is a good thing Maybe I do want my eyes to water We're gonna get some conspiracy theories out of this I wanted to cry Yeah, it makes you cry when you're watching usher and and Alicia keys up there. Yeah, that's what I happen So, all right, so just switching gears quickly because we've been talking about the vision pro but Apple vision show is about all things Apple Lamar, how do you feel about these rumors of a foldable iPhone So I've heard about these rumors and I I would not put it besides Apple to be testing it I mean, they're already is some that are out. Oh, they're testing it Now what I want one I Don't know, you know, but because but the more I look at it the more I'm like, I think I like it You know the reason I would like it because we've had the same form factor for phone There's that right. I mean, I I had a flip-flop phone briefly, but then I jumped to the trio palm trio What's my phone? What's my smart? I never I never went. I never went back to a foldable type of people love the trio I'm a big big. That was a big fan. I had I had the windows version the palm version. I had them all So I don't I don't really have a yeah foldable. I'm just like for size difference. Just a has a smaller Imprint in my pockets and in my hand. I I really do like I've seen some people with their galaxy folds I think that's what they're called That gets the version two or three and I'm like, yeah, I like it But it's Android and I'm not and I mean I I haven't I haven't picked up on my primary phone as I phone Just it just is So like I couldn't just jump over to that phone But I like the idea of something we need something different and just I'm kind of just tired of the same So too, I mean, I I am very much a pro max at all times And part of that is because you know, hold them on now part of that is because I Feel like the larger the phone the less I need a tablet later I don't know it kind of works as both and I love it. However This will not fit in any pant pockets, you know, most small persons just you know, it And I'm just talking about like moving around not even talking about how to Make it kind of more interesting to have you know video on the outside and And you know and be able to you know fold it up Open it up when you want. I don't know. I'm I'm I'm into it Brian in a in a check was was like, you know, it's a whole extra step to get into the phone But if what most people glance at their phone multiple times a day for what? Notifications and if what you shown has that notification on there, that's that's pretty much all I need to look at Yeah, I'm watching it's very meta so for those of you Who are not watching the video I'm watching us on the flip five on the outside of the phone. Oh wait and I let me turn I meant to what that's when I was saying the Galaxy for I meant the flip. Okay. That's the phone. I was yeah. Yeah. Yeah, this is the five. You know, they're on the five now, so I you know, I'm a big fan of this hardware But like I said last week, I don't I'm not in love with the software It you know as much as I've known Android in the past jumping back into Android. I was like, oh, this is a little bit, you know There's some good things about it But everything that I love about the phone is the hardware itself not necessarily the operating system I really love the hardware that I'm like hands down Yeah, yeah, I mean I I Who knows again, you know when Apple enters the chat you guys then this is gonna be This is gonna be a thing And then it'll irritate all those people well, we've had this for the last five years What do they think they're reinventing the wheel here? And I was like, yeah, we are The rest of us were like, no, you're not but still cool. Thank you. Yeah Our friends over at Android faithful especially, you know, like Ron Richards is gonna throw up his hands like We were here first exactly exactly but yeah, I mean, there's always the rumors are they doing one? Are they not doing one? They pause. No, they're doing it. Oh, it'll be next year. It'll be this year. Okay, whatever it will come I believe just like just like our car Will this come before the iCar? Oh Yes Yes, yeah, I mean, you know, I say this with authority. I don't know but Probably Okay, all right, you said you said it episode three, you know about 50 minutes into this episode We will always know and then when I'm back at episode 97 We take a Should we take a quick break? Yes. That was our little like that that that was awesome We'll get better at the like break, let's take a better. Yeah Do I wasn't expecting to break that's so cool. Yeah, okay Yeah, we're trying. Yeah, we're trying. Yeah, anyway, I'm thinking about putting putting in ad rolls Do we want to come back and do email and goodbye? Yeah, I think so. Let's do that at this time The AirPod Max what was it? What was that about? What was that? Oh, that's our little kicker before Yeah, should we should we should we show that off? Maybe we show that off. Yeah, and then Because it's it's just kind of it's just bizarre, but yeah Oh, did you tell the audience this week that you have did you tell or there was a last week? I posted it on social media. I saw that and Lee. I got a new You know Yeah, yeah, thank you and it's because of of someone that is here That's not what I've got. I did not want you to say And the guy who's here. No, I was just like Oh I was like, they look good. And you know, are you are you on a Mac is Are you on a Mac? I'm on a Mac. Okay. So that's so that's why it works. Okay. Everything works. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah I'm loving my new. Okay. Anyway, maybe we should come back from break. Should we come back from break? All right come back from break Um, wait, why don't you my hair and makeup? Okay. We'll just come back later ladies. Okay. You know, we're ready Hey, I gotta look good for the show So Eileen and Lamar tell me more about uh, the airpod max and eurotransparency Well, you know, I just I don't know if this is real you guys but this Okay, sorry for those of you who are listening and not watching but i'm about to reveal something and I don't know that it looks good But you tell me What do you think of this portal? Oh This is my first time seeing this So imagine those of you who know that there's eyes for the apple vision pro, right? You can have the eyes situation You can see eyes. Well, someone made a ears only visible in transparency mode for the airpod max and as if you could see someone's ears I don't think I need to see anyone's ears. I don't know about that. It's like It's like it's like it's yeah. Oh, you're about to say that it's like having transparency on the feet Calling us Like like nobody actually wants that Nobody wants that of all the things to put on the outside of an actual ear is not your ear your ear Unless unless it showed what you're playing Yeah, maybe you said hey, this is a song they're playing and maybe the layer layer I don't know like that then you're being I don't want you by staring on my ear though I just thought about that like why why are you even looking and looking at the lyrics? So no, don't do that either although. I don't know. I mean the more I think about it. It's like Is this because you know, here we have spoken about In the show Up to this point The whole idea of like, you know pass through and you know the apple vision pro You know Confusing people because they don't know what you're doing Maybe That's funny. No, I you tried you you did try on that one. I'm like, maybe you should see their ears So that you know, we should have you know that they're listening to things So should have have a little animation of music Notes going into their ear. Maybe there's some kind of animation of it Words or whatever Ambassador domo in our chat said they should make them vulcan ears. Maybe that's what would make them hot if they were vulcaneers Yeah, like make the ears. Okay. Okay. Okay. Now you got something there. Diamond and crusted. Come on. Let's get let's go Just no other crust just diamond and crust Any other That's a weird or wax crust. That's not good Don't show us the wax. No That's I'm just I'm saying please please. No. No We don't even want to see that. Um in our own ears Anyway, there's some creative people out there. I'm sure that's just a sticker or some like, you know Artist rendition, but I don't think that's the thing and if people put stickers with their ears on these things I will be mortified that just I don't know why am I is that bad to not want to see someone's ear, right? It's like you see some of your You're just being honest You know, I really want to look at people's faces So I don't want to see people Thank you I really don't want to I really don't want to see nobody's ears Yeah, yeah, sorry guy. It's all good Um, you know, please send us strange, uh, things like that. We like to highlight that every once in a while In um speaking of sending us things feedback at apple vision show Com is where you can send us feedback And we did get a fun one from dusty who wrote in and said congrats on the new show. Thank you dusty I've become more and more interested in learning how others are using some of apple's native applications Like notes and freeform for productivity or other uses for me It seems like freeform has some evolution to grow But my wife and I have been using it to make education and practice templates for our first grade sun I found the native features along with apple pencil make for a perfect learning environment for spelling word practice math and even learning how to read an analog clock Looking forward to learning how others are using these similar apps Yeah, I actually really oh go ahead. Go ahead. No, go ahead Lamar go I was gonna say I am a huge huge notes person like I I use notes for my I'm a mind dumper So it's just like I got some of my mind even in the car. I've learned I'll say, you know I won't trigger everybody's hey blank Take a note. What would you like the note to say and I just Say what I have and it gets a word for word and I could deal with that later because sometimes things come up in my You know in my head Uh, but yeah, I've been heavy notes user. There's no organization to it I just search for when when I need to come up with something Uh freeform I have not really dug into I haven't had a use cake. I haven't had a use case to really use it yet I've done a little bit with freeform But just a little bit of drawing just kind of actually when I first got this um iPad pro with the pen just kind of kind of feel like how does that work? But to be honest with you I am also using it for education as well In terms of apps. I have Something called good notes and in good notes. I've imported a sort of Template for learning. I'm learning Korean right now And so what I'm doing is I'm actually using it to write and practice my writing But not but not have pages and pages of the notebook It's all in here digital and then you know during my class sometimes Well, let's see if I can get to it. I would take some notes But it's really good practice and so you know take some notes instead of using paper I saw how you were flipping that is so cool. It's like yeah, it's like it's a it's like it's a yeah Yeah, I like that. That's that's satisfying to me as a person who You're using paper or we all did of course, you know, you have automatic highlighting colors, you know, you can change it Not everyone did Lamar and some people just never had paper Okay, you're mocking me but Gen Z darn it Gen A At least Gen A. Gen A is not using paper. The Gen Z folks. I you know, Gen A not not Gen Z. It's truly Like my friends kids at this point. Yeah, yeah, they they're not, you know, because I used to be in the classroom They're doing things a little bit. They don't use chalkboard anymore. I'm like, they don't use chalk anymore Yeah, I was still using chalk when I was when I was in the classroom I made a joke about like, you know finger nails on a chalkboard to somebody and they didn't understand that and they were like What's that? And I was like, oh, you know that awful sound, you know that like makes you want to die and they were like, no I don't know what that is. And I was like, wow, you're so young that you never hung out on chalkboard It was all whiteboards whiteboards or Yeah, I guess Now arguably the better board, but hey shout out to chalk Shout out to chalk. There's our time. I missed it. I missed inhaling it. Yeah, so, you know Now I say that I use the learning for um, you know, I use my ipad for learning through the Good notes app, but I'm also like I also am, you know, tangibly have flashcards as well Because there is something about tactile or something about, you know Having something like this even has like a ring and now I have all my life Until somebody gets those flashcards in your vision pro and then you're playing with the in with your hands that way So you're actually holding Pro experience You're holding like blank in these cards in your hand, but they really have the letters on them in the That would be interesting. That would be I could see how fun that would be to learn too, you know, like We need to make some money off this. Why are we giving everybody our seats here? This will be deleted from the official podcast and we're going these ideas are not free All right, they are The apple vision show Any use must be prior authorized by the three of us. Thank you so much. That's right I will be checking in episode 97 to make sure none of my ideas have been taken. So Well, listen as we wrap up, um this fun filled uh Episode three of apple vision show and thank you so much to everybody who has been listening along with us Eileen, where can they find us on the social? They can find us at apple vision show instagram Apple vision show tick tock or just go to app of apple vision show dot com I don't know. Should we get a uh an x account? I know you're very pro threads. Um Lamar, so we haven't unlocked thread But you know, we we have some uh followers now, which is great. Sometimes I drop in like I went to the apple store, uh the other day just to see How the vision pros were, um displayed and I found out a little bit more like there was only one appointment I think he was trying to give me an appointment. Like, oh, let me try and get you an appointment. I'm like, oh, no, no, no No, I I'm just curious what's going on. You don't know who I am sir sir Sir vision show Host here the host of apple vision show. It was so nice and he was like He was like, let me try and spot you in a three-throw. Oh, no, no, no. No, I'm I'm good I was just curious how it's all working and you know that kind of anyway I put stuff like that on the you like I'm I leave Rivera And snap your fingers Because I'm about to put you you know on display for all for our 40 40 followers isn't even that I don't even know It's probably like 20 of This point to see I mean hey, you know, you know, you gotta start somewhere You gotta start somewhere, you know Lamar you can tell us about that. I mean you're like, you know Everybody follows you I mean, I would I would I would be humble to say gods here, but you know, um That was a joke. I'm not even close to that No, no, but but no you I yeah, you gotta start from zero and and yeah, it's it's nice to have a following You know, it's it's it's a why did you put me in a spot here? I don't know what to say You know what you should say because we are um Because we're wrapping up the show and it has been so much fun Let folks know where they can keep up with you Gotcha. Well, you catch me at Lamar will send us Lamar with two hours on every social network except x I don't deal with them anymore Or you can go Lamar dot tv and it has all of my bio and socials and all that good stuff there Excellent. Um, all right. Eileen. I think yeah, I think this is one for the books. It was our first guest Lamar Wilson, it was so fun Hopefully he's not your last guess. I didn't ruin the whole show. So This was awesome, we had so much fun We hope you did too. Thanks for coming along for the ride and we'll see you next week on apple vision show Thanks, everybody. Bye All right, now that helps get it Pinterest Pinterest I tried Pinterest for a few months because A lady friend of mine saying you need to put your videos on Pinterest because they have a thing like like tiktok over there Yeah, they and they do but My content is it's not it's not it's not my content is not designed for that I Have no problem with Pinterest. I just I don't know It just I go in there for like unless I'm like trying to like For what? Wallpapers, you know, like really pretty wallpapers or just like yeah, I have like a very specific like I don't want to like do something on this wall Of my house, you know, Pinterest is great for that. It showed me. I'm like, I don't hang out in Pinterest I don't hang out Um, there is like once I got into it. I actually found like there's a lot of Help for Korean language on there or other languages. I'm sure there's like little like You know snippets of stuff to help you and I don't know I just go in there every once in a while because it's pretty it's kind of like I make vision boards with them. I pull Yeah, that's big photos and I make vision boards. It's really nice But yeah, I don't know maybe that's too much. It's also a lot of upkeep I was even like, oh, do we go on facebook? Oh, man I don't know how I can keep up with facebook, which I'm never on you know what I mean like I'm on facebook in the extent that my reels I have them set to automatically repost on my facebook because my It's weird. My facebook page is growing. It's doing something. So I'm like, there's an audience there who does comment So I'll pop in it. Yeah, lots of the comments, but I'm just I'm not I'm not there I'm very honest about that with them. It's like, yeah, this is a repo. So I'm You know, it like something I have a few things gone viral over there Oh, but by the time I hit by the time I hit those comments, I don't want to be there Because because I reached that viral crowd. Yeah, and I'm just like Yeah, let me let me I don't like what you're calling me It's hard like you want your videos to travel, but then sometimes they travel And they travel to the wrong people and you're like, oh, no, no, no, this is not the community that that we're cultivating here. This is People who just please don't even just walk away walk away from us It's not for you. That's what that's why I just leave like, you know what? I'll just take the views I'll take the little money to give, you know, I'm calling the day Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it. You know what? I I didn't like there was a couple of starred comments. I don't know if you guys have time here, but just Like there's a few people that I'm like, oh, we didn't get to these people. We had such a great conversation But you know, like somebody meet beatmaster was like When we were talking about the movie theaters and everything like does it make the mgm spear obsolete? I need to go to that first to make a decision on it Yeah, me too. I don't really know But like, okay. Yeah, we have these like real world experiences that make, you know sound and visuals, you know Amazing to be in to be present to but then here we got the apple vision pro that's so isolating, right? Like What is a friend told me to wear my apple vision pro to the spear And I'm just like, no That's overwhelming Yeah, yeah, wear it inside that is way too much way too much. I don't know It would look to you like, what are you doing? That's not the point And then I don't know if any of you have done this But do you connect to your home speakers if you have them or is the avb built in speakers power? I've never done that. I haven't no Um, I'm assuming you can airplay if you if your home speakers have airplay. Oh, yeah, the tv has it maybe On the vision pro or I mean great Yeah, they're really good And then one last Copenhagen cool. I see restaurants and cafes banning the use of them. I feel like that could happen depending on I don't agree with that Well, meaning like if there's like theft in the place or if they are not communicating to The people I don't know. I don't know but I can see that it's like we're trying to take your order ma'am sir Yeah, you know, hello Or distraction somehow to the restaurant. I don't know. Who knows but I I just feel like anything can happen like there's gonna be some incident and oh now it's banned It's such a There's just such small use case. I think in the in the world But this could happen, but it always takes one, right? I don't know just Thought I would have that comment go up and see opinion Maybe we don't maybe we don't care. Um, we care No, we care We care we care Uh, let's see here Yeah, anyway, sorry if we didn't get to some of your comments in the chat But thanks always to those of you who are here um Let's see here. Yeah, that was a good show good show guys I thought it was referring fun. Thanks to you lemar wilson. Oh, no, you ladies you ladies are the most fun I had so much fun like I like yeah, no, it wasn't me, but thank you for saying that it was so You all are fun Seriously, seriously, we try your chemistry on this show was excellent. I got oh good. Thank you. Yeah Thank you. Oh, thank you Well, we are enjoying this as well even though early days You know, it's um So here's what we have to do. What what? Just let me finish the sentence before you start saying anything. Let me finish this going to be about eating pie Absolutely. I hope so because I'm starving, but but here's what here's what we need to do when madame We're let me finish the sentence when mad when madame. Well comes Comes to digital Will you commit to watching it on the apple vision pro? How long is the movie? Wait, is it under two hours? I love is it under two hours lane is like well, how long is it? Like a three hour madame web hell to the no, I cannot do that But if it's like an hour and 45, yeah, like it is a hundred and seventeen hundred and seventeen minutes That's almost two hours. Oh, yeah, okay. So is it did get under the two hour mark. All right. Well that is Oh I guess I could lay down on my couch and if I fell asleep y'all don't need to know um I mean, I'll be asleep too. It's fine. Maybe what I'll do is I'll have it pinned to the right and Tick tock on the left Does that kill you? No No See I I hope this the first immersive video movie. I just didn't get to you So it's all all madame web around you all the time. It's the first one Because now I got the budget to do it because no they need to they need to get some Madame web around us at all times. Does she have a costume like dude like, okay, I have the movie playing Myself in the costume. I don't know anything about this. I thought when the trailer came out that it was gonna be good I'm totally going this week. I have regal on limits. It's I'm totally going. I have nothing to lose I paid for it already. So you lose your time Lamar. You've lost two well longer than a minute and 117 minutes. It's longer. It's the travel there And then you have all those maybe the trailers you're like, oh at least I have trailers Because if the trailers are better than the movie that is some sad songs Okay, let me be clear regal's popcorn announcement is better than the movie When regal says go get popcorn and go get I know this that part is better Mm-hmm from from what I'm hearing. Yes, wait, are you gonna go to like a Oh regal it's like a dine in so you can just like I would have just sat and had dinner anyway And so I might as well just have the visual in front of me and it could be madame web And you're just eating like no, because I'm not paying a premium to watch this darn movie. No No at all I'm just I mean You shouldn't I guess, you know, dakota johnson should you know give you a hug for going to see her movie You know like oh, thanks for coming. She's gonna be in isolation for so long after this Like you could say she did not want to be in that on that on that uh press tour at all Well, she didn't even know anything about the universe. They asked her about tom holland's universe She's like I couldn't name you any of the movies like, you know, like she does not care She doesn't care. No, she was treated so poorly with that script like I like I don't put this on her like Yeah, no such a poor experience. I'm like, yeah, I wouldn't I wouldn't want to know anything either But the problem is I was hurt. I heard one actor It was an experience. I forgot who it is, but they're a friend of an actor who's also an actor Uh, who's an mcu was was like, hey, I'm going to be in this marvel Movies should I should I go to he heard marvel? He said, oh, yeah, definitely. Well, he didn't realize it's sony's marvel Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, it was it was it was morbious You know It was Listen, you almost I almost needed you to see these things back to back. So sarah's gonna see cats this week Yes, yeah Yes, I'm gonna see cats. Yeah, sarah's gonna see catch on max. It's on max. So there's no excuse. I know you have max So you're gonna see cats and then you can watch morbius and matter what matter what would be probably by tomorrow be on digital Is that bad? You know like they watch how fast it comes to digital like i'm telling you I'll do it. I'll do it Wait, I'm looking up the runtime. I'm trying to look up You're gonna watch cats on the vision pro for me. You're gonna do it. It's under two hours on the vision pro Yeah, we should have said that in the show. I will probably like it No No, you will not wait, have you seen the actual Have you seen the musical sarah Oh, did you like it? Yes That's why you wouldn't mind I don't like the musical so Oh, I loved it. Oh my god, you guys and you might like Okay Are you gonna check back in episode 97? Oh, yeah, no, I want to find out I'm gonna be checking in with you I every every few days at this court sarah I've actually also never seen cats. These are you know, things that it's a great show No, no, no musical. I've seen the musical, but I've never seen the movie. Yeah Yeah I be because I saw the musical and I don't like the musical At least I have that I I was like no, I don't I don't even want to bother because like lame is what if you love What if you love the movie? Yeah Like I love Eileen just like as a little kid being like no did not like that Did not like that. That was terrible. I don't want to see that again Name is like that's oh lame is what yeah, I don't know name is lame is I thought that I saw the theater I saw the musical and I was like this was I mean, I like the songs but this is Yuck and then I I went ahead and I hurt myself and I watched the movie and it made it I I those feelings came back Why did I already knew that I didn't like this? I don't care that huge jackman He was in it, right? I don't care that they were singing well good for an half the way for her little oscar great But that musical Wow Not for me I always want to pay you all to watch cats. Well, sir is already gonna watch it for free. So I'm locked that in too late But it like you yeah, I'm watching it like a pizza la maria to send me like a pizza or something Well, you only something to really cleanse your palate after that. Are you do you drink alcohol? After all of this like yeah, we should all Give each other pizzas I just want to do that for just Any day just in general. Yeah in general. Yeah. Yeah. La Mara's gonna do it for dinner tonight She's la mara's gonna do it after madame web. You're gonna do it after cats and I'll do it after Uh, what was it? What am I watching? Oh No, but I already know it's just the latest experience. Okay. What do we did? Morbius, I haven't seen Morbius remember I was gonna say, what if we did a share play to watch cats together, but they don't have share play for the vision pro yet Um That would no that would I would hear I would literally hear sarah scream like sarah. What what do you why? This is not my this is not my movie. What this is not my play. What is this? I think sarah will probably have the best experience out of all of us because I mean at least for morbius Uh matt smith is in it and I I love him, but he's not gonna save this film. I don't think I don't think he did. He's the one that got tricked. That's the that's the actor He was like yeah, because he said should I take this marvel movie? Yeah marvel and he ended up being in this Yeah, well, thank god. He got you know game of thrones So, um Lots of marvel things like I can't keep up on but yeah, but um The end of and no spoilers, but um the end of like the miss marvel. I think Whatever the tv show or captain marvel. This is captain marvel. Yeah The movie what do you see what it's a movie The the marvels where the cats save humanity Okay, that is a huge sport. No No, uh, that's not a huge spoiler. It's it's not a huge spoiler at all I mean I was like did you love that did you love that for killing everyone? My friend was like no, they're saving everyone. They're saving everybody They're putting everybody in the pods because there was no room otherwise and I was like Yes, loved it and then you terminated your cat. Would you save me? Would you do this for me and your cat's like My cat's like Nah, goodbye. I barely wanted to talk to you. Nah I would like dinner somebody else would take care of me It's been nice, but you know, I know I could survive without you that you know, sorry See, this is why sarah is gonna win with watching cats. Whereas we get I'm making some cats at some point. I'm thinking about it. Uh after I do my after I get a travel book out of my Because I want to travel now. I'm in I'm in my travel phase of my life Aren't cats easy not if I'm not if I'm going somewhere for like a week Like they you can't really keep cats alone. I'm more than a couple days. Oh, really? If I had somebody come in yes We would have had but I'm allergic. So I I am not anti cat at all Most of my friends are allergic and that's another reason no one will come over my house if I had cats So, I mean I could do it. I just have like a lot of Benadryl and I'd have to be sitting near an open window And probably we'll have to leave in 30 minutes. So are you talking about cats or watching madame web? I'm sorry Oh, okay, because I'm like, yeah, you probably that scenario was literally the movie I land's like I will watch madame web, but I need to be near a window It would be a drill and and I'm leaving in 30 minutes Oh Oh my god, all right. All right y'all listen. I'm speaking of Not cats but dogs. I got it. I gotta take my pup pup out. This is so fun So much fun. Lamar. Wait. Let me end this stream. Bye guys. Thank you so much. Thank you Thanks for having me