 So good afternoon. In case you don't know, my coach. Oh, come on. I had the privilege of being a teacher in this institute when Viren was a student. Now he's an esteemed Kali. And as you can see, Shishyati Chet Paragayam. I'm very happy that he has gone to great heights in perfecting the art of communication with all its intrinsic nuances. The objective of the communication is to reach out not to the ears of the listeners, but to the minds of the people. And to the heart, wonderfully said. And you will agree that I could not have found a better coordinator than him for this course? Yes. So thank you very much. In fact, one of the ideas in our teacher training workshop as he said we do try to reach out to thousands of teachers and amongst them you will find some excellent teachers in their subjects and even otherwise. But the fact is that many of us who work at smaller places do not get adequate exposure and do not have an opportunity to learn from others which is the essence of all our educations. And for whatever reason IIT system has emerged as an edge above others, primarily because of the enormous freedom that every faculty member enjoys it here. I wish every college, every teacher has exactly the same kind of autonomy. Sadly, that is not yet so. A very large number of our engineering colleges are affiliated colleges. So that means somebody has defined the syllabus. Somebody else sets the question papers. And since our students are very smart, they immediately realize that this fatigue is a toothless tiger because he is going to have absolutely no say in the grade that I get in the course. And from day one I decide not to listen to my teacher. Now this jinx has to be broken. The IIT review committee has already stated that this affiliation system should be completely stopped. I don't know how many of you are aware that this great system of affiliated colleges where a centralized university decides, the syllabus decides, the chik method decides the evaluation. It exists in four countries of this world. Those four great countries are India, Pakistan, Nepal and Sri Lanka. Not Nepal, sorry, Bangladesh. Nepal has also moved out. I mean Nepal really did not adopt it because they just do not have adequate number of colleges to begin. So every college in the universe. Now the IIT has been given 10 years to do that which means that within next 10 years we and all our colleagues, at least in the technical institutions which is our primary motive and these are 4,500 approximately and eventually in all 36,000 colleges across the country this respect for autonomy of a teacher which should eventually turn into respect for autonomy of a learner is important. It is in that context that whenever we conduct such workshops many of you I can see some familiar faces. Some of you have been coming here for one course or the other and I hope you have realized the ulterior motive that we have in bringing you here. That when you come here you take part of the ethos that you notice at this place. You compare it with the ethos that prevails in your institution. You might have some better things happening there which we would like to learn from you. You might see several useful things happening here which we would like you to go back and take it back to at least your own institution and pass it on to the other teachers who come from other colleges. It is not easy to translate that ethos. Now we cannot ever afford to have 10,000 people come here or 8,000 people come here and do that. So you are our not eyes, ears but also our mind and heart. You are our direct representative. And please remember that throughout. Throughout the conduct to the main workshop for which the teachers will come to you. They will see Viren Sethi and somebody else on an AVU thing but they will see you every day, every moment. And unless your entire behavior is reflective of the characteristics of Viren Sethi and others here you will not be representing them. The expectation from all the coordinators, workshop coordinators when you go back you are the direct authorized representative of IIT Bombay. And they must see in you the ethos of IIT Bombay. No matter whether your institution functions completely as per that ethos or not. I hope it does. I hope it will start doing that. And the main theme in this ethos is openness, readiness to learn from others which means implied, readiness to appreciate that there are n number of things which I might know but there are n square things which I do not know at all and that every human being I interact with is capable of adding to my knowledge giving me something. So this is the main spirit. Communications as you know has always been important but sadly has been a neglected part. Frankly effective communication should be taught learnt and perfected by children by the time they leave the schools. It does not happen. Then what happens is when they come to our colleges they are typically doing their undergraduate courses where the emphasis is tremendously on different subject. All of you would have one course on communication to undergraduate schools somewhere. When I did my graduation in 1963 to 1969 in Indore I also had a course on effective communication. It was taught by our then existing humanities department. I suppose the same thing will happen here. Humanities departments all over the country have a peculiar structure that for them things like philosophy, things like logic, things like sociology, things like history, things like geography are more important and they consider effective communication means teaching English and that is very low in their own priority of activities in their mind. As a result many places this course is not conducted with the same rigor and the same passion that it ought to be conducted and as a consequence most of our students take this as chalta hai course. Does that happen in your colleges also? Which means that there is nobody who is telling our students how important effective communication is. Invariably a large number of CEOs whom I meet keep telling me, students may be technically good but they have absolutely no clue on how to communicate properly. The verbal communication and written communication is terrible. Forget writing detailed proposals or project reports they can't even write proper emails and that is because when our students compose an email containing anything more than three lines they are in a hurry to push the return button without even reading those three lines once. Now how do you inculcate this habit in them? This cannot be done by one course not done by a man. This has to be done by every teacher in every subject emphatically stating again and again and again that your communication has to be performed. And since that is not being done the students who go for intake or PhD also lack knowledge of effective communication. So several years ago when IIT Bombay we realized this we introduced the compulsory pass-fail course for all intake and PhD students. It's a shameful matter that for intake and PhD students these intake and PhD students are brilliant students from colleges such as yours who come here but they have no clue on what effective communication is. I expect you to be the spearheads through thousands of teachers who will come to you 30, 40 numbers to spread this word and the word to be spread is let the participating teachers not take this just as another workshop but let them take this as a provider of an input by which they will have to change the entire ethos in the colleges to which they go back and they should make it a point once in a week at least they will engage with some other teacher of their department or some other department for 15 minutes asking that teacher did you emphasize effective writing to your students did you emphasize effective communication this my dear friends is the need and unless we do that and unless we do that quickly India which otherwise has a great chance to make it big time in the polity of the world will sadly remain a lager because effective communication is considered 50% responsible for all your successes in life the remaining 50% is your technology your other characteristics and so on with that kind of percentage I wish there were more courses in engineering curriculum there were more courses in even science high schools and so on but there are no so that means we are limited by the fact that that is how the structure of economics is structure will not change much even in an autonomous institution such as ours while we have very competent teachers and very good students we still have this lacuna that people cannot read in like that this has to be corrected so there are two things that I wanted to share with you one is the need for continuing such kind of workshops regularly and perpetually because a teacher once trained does not remain trained every one of us requires you know so far the government has kindly supported these kind of large programs T10KT is a flagship program this is the largest project ever conceived and funded by the government but as some of you would know if you interact with the remote center coordinator at your place last year we said that we will be funding each remote center to set up an additional establishment of a classroom with audiovisual equipment and so on once have not been released to this project for last one year the project is coming to a closure in February we will be requesting the project to continue till July the reasoning is very simple we had planned to conduct 10 workshops assuming 10,000 teachers in each and to train 1,50,000 teachers we have managed to train over 1,00,000 teachers so far already but to do so we will conduct almost 15 workshops because on an average the number of teachers who participate in the workshops has been about 6 to 7,000 it is natural because in every subject you may not necessarily get 10,000 teachers always during the periods of December and May, June, July to be free and public so they understand that our project review committees have stated that without any additional funding you should be able to extend it till July till next summer but a major question always was what happens after the project we have brought down the cost of training 1 individual teacher for a 2 week program from about 12,000 to 14,000 as approved by AICT to about 6,200 in our original budget we have on an average for fully funded workshops been able to conduct these workshops at an average cost of about 5,200 with the model of one week of work being done online over several weeks not one physical week we have seen that the effectiveness of interaction has gone up because assimilation is much better for a participating teacher if the teacher seriously works for 1 day a week and over 4 weeks accumulates whatever knowledge so that when they come for face to face interaction there is a much greater level of engagement we have been able to cut down on the cost further so how do you take this forward the only way you can take this forward is you make it into a self sustaining drive IIT Bombay and IIT Kharagpur fully understand the importance of running workshops in this context let me digress and tell you something else that has been happening for last few years and that culminated in a meeting at AICT this Sunday this is about the massive open online courses as all of you are familiar with MOOCs are making inroads and IIT Bombay proposed a model of blended MOOCs where we said that participating institutions can join hands with IIT Bombay in running some courses and for each such course the student in that college will study the MOOCs portion online and also the face to face portion and the idea of all that during investing his or her time in preparing and delivering for lectures because that is what amounts to teaching for most of us instead of that the teacher could run a flip classroom and let the lectures be viewed by the students online and let the class be converted into a discussion many of us at IIT Bombay thanks to the extraordinary autonomy that is given to us for both small and large courses have been practicing this flip classroom for many years we know it works but we also know that for each one of us there has been a special learning the normal way of preparing for classes will not work at all I have to instead decide on which problems I should give in every lecture hour how the discussion should be shaped how to maximize participation and how to conduct an assessment now these are the kind of things which are different teaching methodology in a blended MOOC is very different we are by the way conducting three such subjects under blended MOOCs I was quite surprised because the decision to adopt the MOOCs and most importantly to accept a weightage of the MOOCs marks to the final grade that the student gets in my university is a major disease it cannot be taken lightly today my university even if I am an autonomous institution there is an academic body which has approved an assessment and so on now suddenly I want to say as a teacher that look instead of giving 100 marks based on my assessment all my students will study these MOOCs course also and equivalent of 30 marks I will take on the MOOCs assessment and 70 marks assessment I will do my institute my university must accept this assuming that all universities will not accept this quickly we wrote to those of our remote centers which are autonomous institutions we found about 96 such autonomous institutions out of these 96, 55 agreed to accept this model so we had a conclave with heads of the institutions of their impart representatives where we worked through the integrity we have formed a sort of consortium of these 50 institutions which will grow in coming years and every year we initially but maybe later any other institute or IIT Kharagpur whatever will decide to offer a course in blended MOOCs in fact we expect a collaborative team to emerge for each of the subjects which could actually offer these MOOCs year after year after year so we offer these on IIT Bombay and these institutions typically for one course there are 40 another course there are 39 etc their students will study from both MOOCs and face to face and to help the teachers overcome the mechanisms of converting themselves from lecture giving teachers to discussion holding teachers we are also conducting separate T10KT workshops for them now T10KT workshop means 10,000 teachers but in this workshop for the three subjects we have 200, 150, 70 teachers but the number does not matter there is a qualitative change so we are trying to tell them how we conduct discussion sessions how do you convert a classroom into a flipped classroom etc etc and we have prepared extended software for IIT Bombay X platform through which they can know what is the performance of their students in the online grades and we will compare notes we meet them on a view every fortnight in fact today 2 o'clock we have some discussion they wanted their students to directly interact with faculty we have said that's okay this is by December the world's first experiment of this kind where large number of individual independent institutions are coming together to say that we will accept a weightage of the moves great in our regular grade I have no doubt that this experiment will succeed because the teachers who have joined and the institution heads have a commitment to do that once they succeed we expect this model to become the standard model of education in almost all higher education possibly even in school education vocational training now towards that end AICT appointed a committee to consider recommending 5 credits per semester to be earned through moves by all students across all technical institutions I happen to chair that committee we met this Sunday AICT chairman himself had come now as you know Prasannil Sastra taken over as AICT chairman now there we debated on many points so accepting MOOCs is alright but if you have to accept MOOCs and make it part of your standard method of teaching for some courses to begin with when teachers have to be trained teachers will not be able to adopt MOOCs directly especially large number of teachers who themselves don't know what MOOCs is in fact many of the teachers are not even familiar with using online contents effective so when we are discussing this training program I told Prasannil Sastra that the government funding will now stop but he said you had mentioned self funding pattern so we said that last time when we discussed with our remote centers the self funding pattern was that teachers will not be paid any TADA they will spend for their own food and additionally they will pay a small charge to the remote centers to care of the expenditure at the remote centers honouring technical people, co-ordinators staff etc. but IIT Bombay will bear the cost of remaining organizing the workshop co-ordinators workshop etc but if there is no funding even that cannot be done so what AICT chairman suggested is that make it a completely self funded mechanic so let teachers who pay charges to the participating co-ordinating remote centers let those participating teachers also pay an additional charge which is the cost at IIT Bombay for running this program and at the end of the workshop whenever the workshop ends today most of you will settle accounts and send back saying we received so much money and now these are the whatever audited accounts etc. in future you will not do any such thing you will have to be settled at your place but you will send IIT Bombay a check saying so many participants participated and this is the amount that is due to IIT Bombay whether it is 300 rupees 500 rupees that call we have to take whatever but that amount will be paid so it is a reverse Gangana the financing to IIT Bombay efforts will come from all our remote centers we have about 200 applications waiting for additional remote centers we have promised the government that will create 500 remote centers we have hardly about 320 and as you know depending upon the expertise available for being a co-ordinator for a particular subject we typically run with 150 to 250 remote centers but these numbers will have to go but I digress now I ask you a simple question if I am a teacher at a small college to undergo such 2 or 3 workshops every year what is the incentive for me to spend money okay there will be a large number of teachers who won't mind spending money and that is what we are basing our conduct of this workshop on we expect people to actually but if they have to contribute more will they do that will they do that consistently the AICD chairman suggested the following he said that in your mixed mode operation you already have one week of online portion try to put that online portion out of model and onto a MOOCs platform and try to include the MOOCs like lecture and sequencing of execution for a week of activity for participating further he suggested conduct actual workshops on training people on how to use MOOCs both in plain form and blended form for their student and third that is a remarkable thing he said apparently a large number of colleges are fighting with AICD to permit them the luxury of a benchmark faculty student ratio of 1 is to 20 or 1 is to 25 currently the stipulated norm is 1 is to 50 because you know how difficult it is to get committed faculty forget committed to get faculty members large number of colleges are not able to get faculty and out of them some percentage will be committed but our endeavor is anybody who joins as a faculty member should eventually get converted into a committed and passivity given this paucity of teachers the colleges are really finding it tough to meet the prescribed norm and if they don't meet the prescribed norm our course may come any day heavily with a danda or AICD itself will say close down your call now what Professor Sastryap suggested and this will be minuted in our report by the way that those colleges which get their teachers trained in use of MOOCs and blended MOOCs both as an independent technology for some workshops and for specific subjects can be considered to be given a leeway because they can now run their courses more efficiently since the teacher does not have to spend time in preparing lectures and delivering lectures although let me tell you first time when you do a flip classroom it is more work than normal course but subsequently it is much easier if they content themselves so he says since the colleges will be able to run with a reduced ratio of faculty to school ratio then he says that such colleges which get their teachers trained like this are permitted to have a faculty student ratio of 1 is to 20 or eventually 1 is to 25 I suspect that the AICD chairman means this as a carrot to the institutions because otherwise what is the incentive for an institution to spend money on teachers training there are sadly I mean these remote centers are very specially selected institutions but there are large number of colleges you might have heard of gory stories where even they are not paid properly to teachers so whether they will the institutions will do this or not but process of the fields that if there is a possibility of their meeting the modified norms by doing this training they may do it why I am telling you all this I am sharing this information because the minutes have not yet been signed the meeting happened only last Sunday but this is the way to go forward the recognition of these workshops by AICD will continue we have an agreement with AICD if necessary AICD chairman will issue another notification this blended mode of running teachers training workshop process they appreciates very much where you further reduce the physical time that the teachers have to spend you will agree that one week is the minimum time that the teachers must spend at a place in order to survive the entire ethos of the activity but extending it to 2 weeks 3 weeks 4 weeks is often makes it impossible for the participating teachers to spend so one week of face to face and one week of online training will more or less be the standard pattern for future workshop will be running a regular workshop I think in December the workshop on physics is running as a full-fledged workshop yeah next year and we will continue to run this workshop we will continue to use Moodle but in addition to Moodle we will be using IIT Bombay X which is the open source MOOCs platform the advantage of both Moodle and IIT Bombay X is any participating institution such as your college or any other college can actually take this software all open source software including the modification that we have made to open idiot can take it and install it at your own place and use it if you so wish or you can continue to access the courses from there so this is how it is going to be in future and in some sense is this our first self-finance workshop Moodle so we all depend upon how this workshop runs I had deliberately chosen effective communication as the topic believing that a large number of our colleague teachers actually need to put into this although how much they believe that this is important I do not know you you put a course in data structures or some basic civil engineering or something everybody relates to it if I belong to that field effective communication is general and every teacher believes that my communication is effective it is the others who need to improve and therefore there is no need for me to participate in this workshop now this impression will have to be correct I do not know how you spread the word there is still time but please do go back and communicate to colleague teachers from other institutions in your region that this is an important activity and that if they want their students to become better they themselves have to become better there is no choice in that this is about the teacher straining as we say there is another dimension of our entire procedure we eventually want our students to learn better so far we have had a no direct connection in measuring the effectiveness of our teacher straining workshop and the actual effectiveness in the learning that happens with our school what students learn is reflected through their performance in the industry few years later what we do affects only the participating teachers now what is the relationship and how do we establish that relationship is not a very easy question but as and when MOOCs and blended MOOCs get adopted more and more into our regular teaching system we will be able to evaluate students learning effectiveness and connected with the training teachers effectiveness although this is small digression but I would like all of you to think about this aspect on when we conduct the main workshop for example there will be 30, 40, 50 teachers whatever numbers come to your remote center please start thinking now as to what majors would you like to put in place what observations what recordings you would like to put in place which you would like to advise the 6,000, 7,000 teachers that when they go back and teach their students how will they measure how much of the students effectiveness in communication has improved and can we correlate it with the effectiveness of our training this is a hard job because there is always a temporal difference in our activities we train teachers this year let's say they will probably teach a course in communication in their colleges maybe next year and that measurement of the students will have to be tallied with a similar measurement done for students who are taught effective communication by teachers are not under gone training you know a control group notion this measurement is hard measurement friends but we are all technical people I mean at least people belonging to technical institution and we should understand how to do this this measurement one thing that I recall from my basic control system course which I studied in 1965-66 a professor had just returned from France told us some very key statements about any controls he says whatever cannot be observed cannot be measured whatever cannot be measured cannot be controlled and whatever cannot be controlled entire optimization in all our engineering processes starts with observability and measurable and somehow I have no clue I have no answer directly to this we have worked out some schemes but none of them meet our own satisfaction now since there are so many people here and this is not related only to this workshop on effective communication please think about every such teacher training workshop that we can do I will repeat this again we want to correlate the effectiveness of our teacher training for the 6000-7000 teachers with the effectiveness of better learning by students learning by students will happen later when these trained teachers teach but the measurement process can start happening now so today for example these students are being trained by teachers who may be good or bad or whatever as we should somehow figure out how to measure the effectiveness of learning of those students in this subject or any other subject and later when our trained teachers train these students whether that effectiveness has been please help me together to find out such measures that could be put in place and the processes that could be put in place is going to be a hard problem I would suggest that when you think about it you will also realize the problems of recording and making measures and drawing conclusions but think about it and when those teachers come to your workshop ask them also to think about I wish we had thought of this collaborative mechanism earlier we could have written to all other teachers but we could still do that you will agree that eventually our intention is to make our students to become better in whatever subject we teach and only major available performance in university mark and you know very well that the university mark do not necessarily reflect the competence that the student has achieved in that course because passing examination is a different matter scoring mark is a different matter and actually effectiveness of the knowledge that I have is another there is indeed some correlation but not necessarily very good and there is no direct reflection of the effectiveness of learning and the scores that they obtained although the mark should also improve so this is a challenge I am throwing at you let us together work out we do hope that we will reach out to about 5, 6,000, 7,000 teachers now we do not know maybe 3,000 teachers the numbers does not matter but whatever those numbers are I want you to tell them two things one, learn as much as you can from people like that he and others there is something different something more to effect to communication than just lectures and assignments and things like that I could see a glimpse of you imbibing this ethos because I heard I forgot your name who is the person who spoke what is your name you speak very well I am sure most of us have certain abilities we communicate very well but certain non-abilities as well and the idea is to make us holistically better so I will again say that I could not have found anybody better than Viren Seti and his colleagues to run this they have been doing it for a long time they run our resued program and if you can be Viren Seti in your college that is the task because Viren Seti is not physically present 10, 15, 20, 30 teachers who come you are Viren Seti you are IIT Bomb remember this also try to run this workshop with the same ethos, same rigor, same commitment, same logistics arrangements, same time absolutely I mean this is something which I am shocked when I hear from the students who come to our MTech program that many times the classes are not held at all same whether the classes are held in time they say they forget in time the classes are not held many times that just does not happen here if I am 5 minutes late for my lecture and if any passerby in the corridor notices that I am rushing to my lecture late he will keep quiet come to my room and fire me and typically such a firing will come from anybody whether the teacher is young or old they don't care because that is the kind of peer pressure that is expected to come out of this ethos does this happen in your colleges do you as friends of other teachers make a point to ensure that your colleagues go to the class in time, the classes start in time, they are conducted in time and that no class is missed no matter what unfortunately this does not happen this time discipline of activity in our colleges needs to be improved please understand that this is strongly related to overall communication about teaching and learning because the more time you waste in not conducting your engagements properly the less time you have to make yourself more effective whether it is general communication or a course community I would like you to take this ethos back wherever it exists very good but if it does not there is a huge angle also to participating teachers that their fundamental duty is to maintain the time I mean look at our exam system last 45 years I am teaching here I do not recall a single instance when the examination and the assessment and the classes timetable declared in the month of April for the entire academic year has been changed even by a day it just does not happen whereas it always happens in most of the colleges some time or the other no we if we want to make it big in the polity of the world what is the difference between developed countries and developing countries this is the difference they are extraordinary discipline in terms of time management they are extraordinary discipline in terms of social habits that is another favorite of mine our students and even grown ups typically there is a red light on a traffic it is not considered important in the roads you will see everybody wants to overtake everybody else typically a rickshawala will like to overtake a car a pedestrian would like to run ahead of the bus whatever what but traffic discipline is not followed discipline is not in a syllabus and therefore it is not covered there are no marks but this has to be imbibed by people this is part of our teaching process after all teachers are what are we just stuck to a particular topic that we are specializing or are we also responsible for the general upbringing of our students making them better citizens better human beings if that is also part of our life then somewhere or the other in our regular interaction with students we must emphasize this point from time to time so these are my favorite notions in conclusion I will say first of all thank you very much because moving from a completely funded model to a self funded model requires what I say brave hearts and it is not easy because everybody would be wondering whether the expenses that you will incur while conducting this workshop can be met from the participation piece or not frankly we do not you do not this is the first time we are doing this experiment and let us all wish ourselves good luck because I think the story that we have to take to our colleague teachers is excellent what the course has been put together will be a very meaningful course somehow that confidence which I can see on your faces has to be conveyed to the party and once this works in all other subjects it will be added by appropriate announcements by AICT in due course of time but I will tell you something the days of government funding such activities on a continuous basis are over government has no money and even if they have money they will not spend on these activities just like students education in higher education students are supposed to spend money from their own pockets similarly teachers for their training wherever it is both desirable and important the teachers will be expected to spend money wherever the institutions where these teachers work find it important for those institutions to run more efficiently then those institutions will have to spend money there is no shortcut to this this model with its next out of completely non funded model that means the teachers will by the way any of your institutions must be conducting such workshops for AICT or something where actually participants pay a fees so this is not a new model but they have never been tried at the scale of 10,000 teachers or 8,000 with your help we will be trying this out and I am sure we will succeed but do remember one thing start understanding the massive open online course phenomena if those of you have not tried yet register any course there are some courses running on IIT Bombay X which are free there are several courses on Coursera, EDX and so on do try it out yourself just to get a glimpse of what happens in an online course we will be declaring the findings of the blended MOOCs by December when we will consolidate all our collection of data and so on and we will be sharing it with all our participating teachers as well as remote centers alone we will be mailing them the fact that such reports are put on the website which can be seen do look at those and see how you will be able to adapt but one thing I will tell you it is a line written on stone that future of teaching learning is not going to be anything that we are used to for so many decades it will be different more and more online learning will happen it will happen independent of us if we don't participate but it will happen jointly with us if we participate and let us all prepare everybody for that part so this workshop also gives us an opportunity to try out are we going to put something on IIT Bombay X or everything will run on Moodle IIT Bombay X and Moodle correct we are also trying to integrate Moodle in IIT Bombay X by now we are already late but if there are any questions you are most welcome I was reminded that this was supposed to be a question and answer session but I decided to deliver my validity address so yeah I am Jayakumar from Barnarium Institute of Technology Satyamangalam Ours is an autonomous institution and during a recent academic council meeting some credits be given to the students who take up MOOC courses but there were strong objections from the other members of academic committee council that the AACTE may take objection to giving credits to the assessment done by some other organization which is not done internally I would like to be thrown on this first of all AACTE itself has sent a recommender circular to everyone but this committee report whose recommendations will be circulated by AACTE very soon makes it completely optional for you the point is why should AACTE tell you what to do you are an autonomous institution if you say that this evaluation shall be done in this matter external or internal assessment is your own problem after all for several of your labs do you not occasionally invite an external member to conduct Viva so what is there whether it is and it is if you internalize MOOCs through the blended matter it will be a different matter however I will tell you what happens because I can imagine the committee members taking strong objections they are not objecting to this process they are worried and concerned that if this thing is permitted what will happen to the conventional teaching learning process in the institute so it is this worry and it is the conviction that no the way we have done things for 50 years must be the only way to continue everywhere we meet such people even in IIT Bombay we meet such people but you have to persistently argue with them and convince them if you need a regulatory advisory it should soon come from here I am sure of that Sir we would be completely grateful to you for giving us such a great platform first of all on behalf of everybody I would say that we would promise you that we would make this massive program a great success with all your support and blessings thank you sir you should thank Partha and Seti and others for that that's what Sundar is here all great legends here we are not legends we are all teachers thank you sir remember what Veeran said we are all partners yes of course not partners in a crime but partners in a beautiful activity which all we believe passionately believe that will be useful to you I am very happy that we are able to have such stalwarts here it is not that the effective communication course as you see it now emerged suddenly overnight these people who are coordinating this course and who are interacting with you have slogged for years in the past few years to make it perfect better and better and better so that is the advantage that they wish to share with all of you we would also do the same hard work for it sir that is good there is no substitute for hard work I have not found one yet as if our college is in a very rural area which town Telangana Varangal district Jangau which Jangau I just passed through Jangau while going to NIT Varangal exactly it's on a big highway it's not a very rural no no no act from Jangau it is near about 9 kilometers away called a town called Shamirpet there it is there actually what happened is actually three engineering colleges are the town all those three engineering colleges have the fresher recruitment because the experienced faculty all grabbed by the big engineering college which huge salary that is the thing happening over there only the thing is that we used to do the workshops which is done by IIT since from 2012 we are doing the same thing but in the self enhanced more in this more I don't feel that it's my perception I don't feel that these two colleges are ready to put the money to come and to learn ok that is the secondary part we'll leave it if they are ready to put the money it's good however we'll announce we'll take the brochure and we'll give the seminar and this is this is this is happening we'll tell them as if from these many years we are taking something from AICT or from IIT Mumbai and MHRT we like to do this program with free of cost from our side is it you are most welcome because you are not to pay IIT Mumbai anything ok technically anything given free is not considered valuable by participants so that is another aspect of it please keep that in mind because we are all human being and this feeling is there one suggestion by the way you are a remote center but you are as autonomous as anybody else including so it's entirely your decision yes as a mechanism is let the participants pay the charges to you and those who successfully complete you refund the entire charge that may be a better mechanism than giving it free because then they will consider that to be something valuable just a suggestion I'll tell you one thing sir as if whenever we announce that IIT Mumbai they'll think that that will come I'll tell you sir they'll put a good breakfast and snacks lunch and again snacks let me go for one week and enjoy the feast of the prasad engineering college and we'll listen the classes and if now if we ask them to pay thousand rupees it is a bit difficult for us what IIT so let me tell you something we don't have otherwise come only ten may come only five will come those five are genuine people absolutely doesn't matter that is why I told Dr. Mukta Atre that we are not putting any limit on the number of participants any remote center we say I have only five teachers participating I would say treat those five people as gods because they have come on their own in a completely different circumstances they are willing to learn because you will have to spend your time only for five or ten or fifteen people not more but once they know that there is no other alternative mechanism of doing these workshops they will come over the years this is the first time I have already eight inquiries already commitment for this workshop and second thing we are already making our students to come on Saturday Sundays which are holidays we are planning from ourselves they are paying 200 rupees just learn from him his model of collecting money he seems to be very good at it and we are not inviting faculty from outside which college is yours MET, Nasek which one? MET we are already doing this since last two years no different cities and different people will also think differently I think it is hazardous to generalize but it makes sense that when you suddenly move from a completely funded activity to a self funded activity let me tell you I think I shared this with at least some remote center co-ordinators that for last several workshops we have been asking this question to all participating teachers will you continue to participate A, only if everything is funded B, if the workshop is funded but you have to bear your own expenses and see if the workshop is not funded you have to bear your own expenses and pay some money many people when I first time put this question many of my colleagues says nobody will say yes to the third choice but typically uniformly in all the workshops conducted on different topics when the same question is asked that typical statistics is one third, one third, one third that means one third of our participating teachers say that they are willing to pay some charges in addition to meeting their own cost you will most rarely see how much of that one third is true this time but that is okay because you see first of all there is no alternative by the way IIT Bombay has a very easy choice we have run this project we have done it successfully when the closure comes we will give a nice closure report all of us like all of you are busy people all of us have a head number of other things but we all of us genuinely believe that there is a merit in containing this work there is no fund from government let the nation works on its own after all for too long we have depended on government to take all initiative big nation and institutions such as ours can take national programs ourselves so don't take take some hints from him on how to collect participation sir I would like to add some supplement actually this self-sustained model that would be a successful because we have conducted so many AICT approved courses which were self-sustained which were which were not sponsored by the AICT even though we were getting a good participation from the various colleges also and even the colleges also they are encouraging the participants by sponsoring their candidates also for enrolling this particular course which college is this? I am from UV Patel College of Engineering Ganbat Vidyanagar Gujarat so I think this would be a successful model no it will I have no doubt that may succeed there might be some hiccups others may be able to get as many participants as normally you would that is understandable but I am giving a carte blanche from myself there is absolutely no issue here try to see maximum people benefit from this workshop but otherwise as many numbers come that's it we will run it like that I will be very brief I am G.P. Sahu from NIT, Allahabad this is related to participants eligibility to enrol for this course we have been told that only teachers can participate my point is if you can permit the resist scholars because they are also going to become a teacher in some other institute since it is a self-responsive paid model so here if you can permit them to participate and enrol for the course get benefit of it so let me tell you initially we were told by M.H.R.D. that only teachers from engineering colleges can be permitted to attend this workshop I think that was wrong right from the beginning but we could not argue we wanted the project to kick start but tell me there aren't there courses which are taught even by science and commerce colleges so what is wrong if those teachers are in fact computer programming is taught in 11-12 standard why can't a school teacher benefit from a course which we run here now this artificial division of engineering is percolating even to this training program itself is bad however we have the following limitation our M.H.R.D. is with IST and we are responsible for AICT for the certification that we give so as long as you understand that the participation certificates by IIT Bombay under the IST standard can only be given to teachers of engineering colleges or science and engineering colleges the certificate of participation cannot be given by IIT Bombay to anybody else now if this is okay with you if more people want to attend if they help you you know amortize your local cost or larger number of people or whatever you want to give your research scholars to attend freely absolutely no problem all that it will mean is that in a system it will put some load but will work out how to take care of that locally you should make arrangements the only precaution that I would like to suggest is suppose you have 10 teachers and 50 students for example now students are always more enthusiastic than teachers and during interaction they are likely to hog the time so please tell them that they are welcome to attend but in interactive sessions they will primarily sit as observers so if there is any interaction that is required let them pass a question through a teacher if that teacher is convinced about that question quite often if these questions are internally raised first before the interactive session then locally itself will find a solution but with this I think this is an acceptable solution that wherever research scholars are ultimately we are doing all this for their benefit eventually so if they want to benefit but they should have a we will not be able to give them any kind of certificate our certificates will only be given to teachers who are certified to be teachers by their respect but as far as attendance and participation is concerned with the provision of that ordinarily they will have an observer status if you want to locally give them any certificate or assignment that they do online etc you are welcome to do alright then thank you so much all the best