 my freak flag fly yeah yeah your freak flag let that fly and Roger I think I saw you have this queued up but there's the guy's video of the puffer fish display I'm assuming you're gonna show that while we talk about that email right that looks really cool I don't know if you're saying yes because I think you're muted but you only have to unmute if you're going to say no or maybe he's not even there right now maybe he ran the restroom yeah that puffer fish thing is cool looking that was a good email I saw signs for places that serve puffer fish when I was in Japan I was tempted but not tempted enough to actually do it you're a you'll let you're a eat anything once kind of guy but when it's you know could literally take your life of prepared wrong maybe I mean that's true of any restaurant let's be honest good point we don't really know what we're getting I always take your life in your hands when you leave your house or when you stay inside your house yeah or when you live or when you breathe when you exist oh sorry I had to restart I thought you were just being clever I will give you more control did you hear me ask about puffer fish yes it's about to say I've had it but you know it's really the organ so when you get this no about the evil the guys evil the puffer oh yes I heard that too I want to say I've had puffer fish it tastes like fish why can't see you still have control yeah oh good and I control oh no I thought you dropped out and I had to give you control again never mind I'm misunderstood so work yes it does we destroyed the first story Roger hey I'm gonna hide spoiler all right and we're almost ready I just gotta load one more thing here shnago is excited to see Donald Bell yeah oh shnago brings up curds like really good cheese curds to their tackler I hope he does it next year it's gonna be all puffer fish and cheese curds that's a days of puffer fish and cheese that will wake you up at 3 a.m. it might kill you a couple different ways yeah oh yeah almost there you guys you're fine I just wanted to put this one little thing in here at the bottom as easy as a domesticated puffer fish and now we are ready here we go quality content thrives through the support of those who benefit from its creation if you gain value from the Daily Tech news show consider joining others like me who provide support learn how to help at Daily Tech news show dot com slash support this is the Daily Tech News for Wednesday October 5th 2016 I'm Tom Merritt joining me as always on Wednesdays mr. Scott Johnson is in the house how you do it's got in the his house I'm really happy to be here because technology day and all my Yahoo accounts I've I've destroyed them everything you're one of them a like I'm not gonna wait to see what's really happening better safe than sorry to delete that I'll hang around look the only service I use from them is flicker I actually like flicker so I'll wait and see all right you'll let them see your flickers you don't mind at the end of six years your flickers also joining us today very happy to have old friend Donald Bell who is currently host of maker project lab at maker project lab dot com here to explain Arduino to us finally Donald I'm doing everything I can Tom I'm happy to be here to spread some Arduino love those of you who remember the buzz out loud days probably remember Donald Donald also took over top five for a while it's seen that moved on to make magazine and is now doing an amazing show of his own over at YouTube if you're into maker stuff at all go check that out you can find all the details at maker project lab dot com but thanks for for being on to share a little maker magic with us you got it I'm happy to be here all right just a follow-up before we get started Yahoo says that Reuters reported that it was scanning income in email at the request of the US government but was misleading in that report in other words yahoo says that report was misleading and that the mail scanning described in the article does not exist on our systems anymore they didn't say any more part Twitter Google Facebook Apple have all explicitly stated that they have never received such a request so they're putting the hammer down on that speculation Microsoft said they have never conducted such scanning which I don't know if there's just a different way of phrasing it or if they're like well we were requested once but we didn't do it yeah yeah so yeah I mean you guys do this is going to be ongoing yahoo giving this sort of non-denial denial is just gonna fan the flames I think oh yeah we're not we're not done with this by any means I'm sure it's they're in a weird position though by first of all having this happen and be talked about on Reuters and everywhere else that it spread and then they had to come and make a response to it but they're the only one having to do this from the perspective that they're being accused of something and all these other guys came in with sort of preemptive no we've never gotten this or in Microsoft's case we've never done such scanning all of it is kind of up to interpretation and you could probably have all sorts of fun about what everyone's message means and what could actually be hidden in it but without getting too conspiratorial I do not think yahoo or Marissa Meyer anyone involved are done explaining this probably not for a good while well let's get to some actual factual things that happen in our top stories Brian Green was boarding Southwest Airlines Flight 944 today from Louisville to Baltimore when his newly replaced Samsung Galaxy Note 7 began smoking and not in the like sir there's no smoking on this flight like billowing smoke in fact Green told the Verge he had powered down the phone as requested by the flight crew even though he didn't have to as a replacement one but you know people are saying no seven so he powered it down put it in his pocket when a thick gray green angry smoke started coming out of the device green dropped it on the floor where it burned through the carpet all passengers and crew were exited and were uninjured nobody got hurt green said he had received his replacement phone September 21st at an AT&T store so he he got a new one the Verge even got a picture of the box with a little black square on it and the battery bird here's the thing though these lithium ion batteries in any phone at any time have a small chance of this happening remember that this has happened to iPhones before right yeah I mean I think this is the interesting thing about phones in general is as they've matured the formulas like the processors will shrink down to make room for more battery right that's the whole that's the whole story of the smartphone for the past you know five years has just been how can we fit more battery into these things and be more with less in terms of the actual hardware yeah it's got this explode obviously is a something one that the Samsung wants to have happened even if this is just one of those freak chance things the PR is the PR is going to be hard for them to deal with even if this was just absolutely out there was going to happen no matter what to me this they're now in a position that Tesla is anytime there's a Tesla accident because you could Tesla can say all day long well what about the other 60 000 accidents that happen today we've had one in six months it isn't going to matter the spotlight is such that it's shining light on a thing for better or for worse deserved or not is going to cause them problems and even worse this was an actual problem that Samsung admitted even though they're saying well these shouldn't do it now I mean how bad is it for not only one of these to be confirmed to have had a problem but on an airplane too like just to add insult to injury for Samsung it would be I would be very careful to say you know what this is a one-off thing it doesn't mean anything unless we see a pattern but there have been some other rumors out there that were also dismissible at the time of people saying that their replacement batteries were getting very hot of course batteries get hot my iphone gets hot too you know my nexus 5x gets hot sometimes so that's also not unusual we'll have to wait and see if this becomes something that happens more often the way the original note 7 batteries were but it is a horrible confluence of events no matter what for Samsung scientifically we'll see whether there's a pattern practically and in the minds of users this is a problem for them and I don't know how they get themselves out of it without some sort of massive thing that will cost them way too much money hey check this out the first phone with google's project tango augmented reality depth sensing cameras the Lenovo fab 2 pro will be released in november that is super exciting if you're excited about that I know I was six port point point four inch device will retail for 499 dollars unlocked in the u.s. important though cnet notes this phone will not support daydream vr and that's when I was not as excited I was really hoping that well I don't know I mean I like standards and I felt like daydream vr had the best chance of being the adoptable mobile vr standard not so much or at least not in this case so it's a Lenovo phone not a google phone it doesn't have the right screen that's the problem it doesn't meet the spec of the screen yeah that's a good point but 499 is not bad for an unlocked phone I don't know are you excited about project tango I remember when it first kind of came up when I was still at cnet as this experiment that they were running I I haven't yet to check back in and remind myself why I'm excited about the augmented reality phone I remember the the pitch was that you could kind of scan your entire you know surroundings you can scan your house easily you can import data really quickly into the phone to be formatted for whatever experience you want to develop but I don't know what experiences have already been made that would make it interesting for me and maybe you guys can enlighten me on that yeah I haven't I haven't seen the killer app for this yet maybe that'll become clear once the fab2pro actually arrives and it would have been nice a scott I can't deny to be able to plot that thing and do a daydream vr headset but I guess you can put it in a cardboard you don't need the daydream thing sure that'll work either way but I mean the way I look at this stuff is you just said well we haven't seen anything that proves Project Tango or their approach to AR has any killer apps and I'm here to argue that neither has VR so I am more of the opinion as this year has gone on that VR AR and mixed reality efforts are all kind of up in the air for me because nobody's showing me anything quite yet or I go ah you you you finally convinced me of the absolute perfect reason why this should exist and without that this is going to be an uphill struggle I think they'll get there I just don't know what it is yet and whether Project Tango is it or not it does sound like a a thing that feels a little long in the tooth even though it's just happening so I don't know what that means it's more about my perception and I'll admit that but means it has fangs yeah I guess it's like history repeating itself today by the way we got a note 7 exploding even though it was replaced Washington Post reports federal contractor from Booz Allen Hamilton Harold Thomas Martin the third though not Edward Stoden of Maryland was arrested in August and charged with the theft of government property and unauthorized removal and retention of classified materials investigators found classified information stored on various devices in his home a source told the post that officials are investigating if Martin was connected to the leak of NSA hacking tools that we talked about back in August Martin appeared in court August 29th and remains detained the charges were unsealed on Wednesday that's why we didn't hear about it before now yeah this just broke today um hard to get your head around what what the actual impact of it is or what he got his hands on or what he has in his possession but I guess that's you know part of the process and we're going to find out but that's pretty intense man we could have some important stuff in there and this is the same the same position or the same context of what Edward Stoden uh where he was sitting right I mean it sounds like this is the same formula for creating someone who might want to be walking away with with information yeah it shows how hard it was for him to do what he did yeah because this guy didn't plan very well Snowden planned really well he made sure he was well ahead of the game before he leaked anything this guy it sounds like just kept things in his house he didn't leave the country leaked the tools online thought he would be safe and they nailed him the other side of this story and of course we don't know all the details is that this is an agency that says if we need if we want to fight the bad guys we need to make sure we have extra tools because we can't do it with what we have and they crack down it looks like on this guy pretty fast if it does turn out that he was the one that leaked the tools in august they got to him with less within less than a month yeah this is like an episode of mr mr robot which is how I see everything in life right now so difficult for me to separate the two I work use myself now amazon introduced prime reading on wednesday and I'm just gonna admit again a little bit of bias I'd love anytime where amazon prime becomes a more valuable service for me or the money I pay out per year to them uh get something else tacked on to it without an increase that really makes me feel good but amazon introduced this this wednesday prime reading which gives subscribers to amazon prime in the u.s access to a rotating library of more than a thousand books comics and magazines service will be available on ios android as well as all the kindle tablets as you might imagine amazon will continue to offer the kindle lending library to prime subscribers that service limits borrowing to one book a month and can only be accessed on amazon hardware so that's not going anywhere but I am very excited about this idea I'm in a big discovery mode with my reading these days and a lot of how I'm doing that is oh that's on sale for 99 cents or that's only a buck 99 for today only you see some of these flash sales they have and um that's been dragging me in if you're now telling me that I can expand that reach with what sounds like a lot of books maybe these are a thousand terrible books I don't know but I guess I'll see when I go into there and dive in and check it out but this is I think a really great thing and a smart way to create more discoverability and bring added value to prime users I was just saying yesterday because we were talking about twitch being added to amazon prime that they included kindle unlimited I was wrong about that kindle unlimited is a different plan what they include is the kindle lending library that is part of amazon prime which is one you mentioned that only gives you one book at a time I don't even know why they would do kindle lending library anymore when you have amazon prime reading now where you can just get any of the books it sounds like there's going to be quite a bit of overlap between the two systems a lot of the stuff that's in kindle unlimited is in the lending library a lot of the lending library seems to be an amazon prime reading I'm assuming there's some difference also can't tell how you get to these things yet like I I don't see anything about it in my kindle app uh and Allison Sheridan who was talking about this on email she's the one pointed out that I made the mistake on unlimited she said she doesn't see anything in her actual kindle yet uh so so maybe it's yet to roll out there my guess is you'll probably see it on the amazon pages themselves yeah and I checked the phone as well didn't see anything haven't checked my tablet maybe something will update and maybe it's just coming and they're rolling it out or maybe there's nothing to change and it's purely like you said on the pages themselves but the I think the reason they kept the lending thing around is if they're only talking about a thousand books to start with if this is a starting point or if it's ever only a thousand rotating books or something um that's actually kind of small compared to the overall library that they have so maybe they keep lending in there as a way of saying well there's still these other books that aren't in the thousand that I would like to to you know use in the way I've used lending in the past so that's the only thing I can think of but what I would really like is a a big all you can eat subscription level thing the way prime works with video I would love that for books and comics and right now their comics all the yarn which they own China's trying to do that but not really what I want the book stuff is sort of kind of doing that with this now but not exactly what I want like it's it's very tepid approach to what I ultimately want was which is a a Netflix style give me all of it for one low price and that's not here yet yeah but on the flip side you don't have to pay extra if you're already a prime user for whatever other reason like we mentioned yesterday so might be a good way to develop that program like they did with Amazon video with which they now offer as a standalone if you don't want to have it as part of the rest of prime yep Roku has introduced the Roku direct publisher tool which lets anyone create a Roku channel without having to code now you do have to have like assets for your splash screen and and you have to be able to have somewhere to host your video so so there's a tiny bit of technology savvy necessary for this but it's way simpler than having to get in and do actual json and stuff like that rolling stone us weekly and cracks have used the tool to make apps channels built in the tool cannot charge subscriptions or video on demand fees yet but they can monetize through display ads that Roku will serve and then give a cut of the proceeds to the channel creator that's super cool right now there's a frog pants app on Roku that someone created for me and it's nice because anytime it's video content it's video and even the audio content works I assume it's hard to say from what they've written here that the audio stuff will be just as simple and easy yeah it's just an app so I can't imagine it wouldn't be it just would play audio instead of video when yeah that can help us as people who create podcast content because we've already got rss feeds pointing to media files seems like a great way to do this and it's something you can make yourself when you say the word make that donald that must make you thrilled to think yeah well just as someone who's also just trying to build my own youtube channel the the thought of you know spending any extra effort to make a whole separate channel that runs on a roku is gives me a little bit of a cringe but it's I can't argue with the idea of it being free for developers and it's seemingly easy to develop for so doesn't the the real trick for youtubers like yourself and others is it's not going to pull youtube content as the host in other words so youtube will not be people's video host and now you're talking about some redundancy right like if you're already in a system in place where you are assessing files well that's different because you're already hosting them wherever you're hosting them and it's no second step or third step in in work but if you are putting content on youtube and that is primarily where you serve it and now you want to make it sort of a mirrored app on roku that publishes that same content you're gonna have to have redundant versions of all of that stuff and some sort of independent you know webs web services hosting or something right and the thing I would I would fear for roku is that you know a year or two from now this formula might just result in a bunch of dead ends like a lot of channels that were created in the hopes of someone making enough money off of that revenue that they would be able to pay you know make up the difference in hosting fees for hosting the videos but then they don't and then you got a lot of you got a lot of channels that have maybe a year's worth of content and then nothing else yeah that could could add some clutter but the flip side of that is that couldn't that might not because it become a problem because of another problem which is discoverability right like it's a it's a problem if you're discovering a bunch of apps that have bad content but it's also a problem if you're like oh well no one will ever see them because it's impossible to find any haps on the roku stores yeah it's really interesting to see how they're going to create uh curate it as what I really want to want to watch for it now a provider of hardware that I am a big fan of or have been for years is waycom and waycom introduced a standalone tablet this is something they're really getting into it also serves as a pen display called the mobile studio pro comes in two new models both of which run windows 10 and connect as an input device for windows or max so you can use it as say a waycom device as they are traditionally but it's also a standalone computer this is very interesting to me uh runs windows 10 connect as an input device across the board the mobile studio pro 13 has a 13.3 inch IPS wq qhd display that covers 96 percent of adobe's rgb spectrum which is very important to many of us who work in uh in that uh you know the the adobe ecosystem the mobile studio pro 16 has a 15.6 inch screen and nvidia quadro graphics processor and an ips uh uhd display that handles 94 percent of adobe's rgb spectrum i don't know that you'll notice those two percents uh to be honest but anyway both come with the pen the pro pen two that is supposed to be four times as accurate and pressure sensitive to the original pro pen something i used in quite like the mobile studio pro 13 starts at 1499 so here's where the rubber meets the road folks the price 64 giga up uh if you want the 2499 model that'll give you a 512 gigabyte storage by the way you're saying 2400 not 24 dollars all right yeah let's be real clear about about what we're talking about here the 16 starts at uh you hold on to your hats 2399 for 256 gigabytes and that's up to 2999 for a 512 gig the top end and 13 and both 16s come with intel real sense 3d cameras that'll be available at the end of november everything about this sounds great to me as someone who is an illustrator graphic artist and cartoonist i need this kind of hardware in my life i have a big way com 22 hd right here next to me with touch sensitivity and all that which i paid i believe the 2999 for um these are a tablet that's also a standalone tablet yeah no it's not that's the problem this is just like their big fat traditional display and it's great for what it does but you need a pc or mac to you know get anything out of it these being standalone units is great at those sizes though this is too expensive in my opinion um for a 16 inch device at that much money is way too much i can go and get a pretty comparable sized i don't know um microsoft uh you know tablet combo pc thing uh whose name is completely slim like a surface or something thank you surface pro i could get a surface pro running windows running windows 10 and running native applications like adobe photoshop cc and i can do that for a lot less money and do they work as nicely as a drawing tablet is that a pitch and that's the trick right like i've used a surface i've used an ipad pro and i've had a lot of experience with wake com standalone tablets my takeaway is the standalone tablets are still the standard for pro level stuff my second place is actually the ipad pro in the pencil it's surprisingly good the only complaint i have about that is it's you know running ios which isn't the same as having a full blown up os but there's ways around that and then third i'd give it to i'd give it to microsoft but these are just really expensive and and for the storage options they're too expensive so i don't know i i would if i were making recommendations to people let's wait and see some of the reviews um but i would also wait and see some of the new stuff coming out a little novo and other manufacturers del's got a really nice pen tablet uh you might find a better value for a whole lot less money with roughly the same capability uh by going with something like that and i hope that they come up with something that's a little less pricey but that's not really i don't know it's not really wake com's way so we'll see donald do you ever use these kind of tablets and any of the stuff that you do for make no i'm waiting for them to come up with the amazon fire kindle uh subsidized drawing tablet you know that can be woven into my prime subscription and just and just delivered to your house yeah yeah exactly and just have like amazon watermarks on all my drawings uh thanks to all those who participate in our subreddit you can submit stories and vote on them a daily tech news show dot reddit dot com that is a look at our top stories uh this weekend at world maker fair in new york peace was declared uh arduino co-founder massimo bonzi of arduino dot cc and federico musto of arduino dot org announced that the two groups have signed a settlement agreement there'd been a little legal spat between the two of them now donald if i get this right there will be an arduino organization that'll distribute boards like the hardware and then the arduino foundation will maintain the arduino ide software right and that's been it's been funny over the past two years seeing the split between these two providers of trademarked arduino hardware and software um it used to be there was one place to get your your arduino products and then they they had a difference of opinion both legally and uh and vocally and uh made these two splintered arduino organizations that were developing in parallel different arduino products and uh it was it was pretty confusing to figure out which one you'd be going to get uh or not now for better or for worse what they've really done here and instead of actually merging back together they've created a third entity that is like this arduino holding company that is the distributor for all the arduino products they've made in the intervening uh few years so that distributors will be able to kind of just have one place to call to get their products instead of that word genuino fits in or is that something else genuino was created by one of the two which is this is masamos thing which he had uh the trademark for arduino in a number of countries but in some countries he didn't and so he in those countries the boards he was putting out there he would call genuino instead of arduino because he couldn't legally call them arduino boards that is so funny just the word get the word genuine in there you make him genuine he's from sweden right like that anyway um so we uh we are we are friends with anthony carbone and jeff canada of the fantastic award-winning podcast we have concerns and one of their running gags is that anthony doesn't believe arduino exists and jeff cannot explain it to him to his satisfaction uh we wanted to try to get anthony on the show today but he wasn't available hopefully though donald uh i think you can explain what it is not just for anthony's sake but there's a lot of people in the audience who are like yeah i hear arduino i get that it's open source hardware but what does that mean what what is arduino arduino i got it in front of me here here is here is your basic arduino board this is the arduino uno where is it it's right up here um this is one of several boards that are that fall into this category of things called arduino uh and then the main the main thing it is is it's this atmel chip right here which is otherwise pretty complicated to figure out a program in c plus it's you want to get this thing to do any work for you you have to learn some serious coding and fall down the rabbit hole of coding microprocessors which is not fun for anybody who at least if you're not an engineer so the the raft of green ish blue around here uh is what the arduino really is uh you could you could take out the chip here's the atmel chip that could pop right out just pops right off the circle right so what what the arduino is is really the raft of material around that chip which um the way i think about it this thing was created in the early 2000s by um you know a crew of people who were teaching interactive design and art at an italian university that does not exist anymore and what they wanted to do is create a really easy way for their art and design students to create interactive projects uh with a minimum of having to learn you know a minimal amount of engineering to make it happen so this is the the arduino uh software that you plug this into to program the chip uh you don't program it in the c plus that the chip reads you program it in this artsy uh artsy friendly language called processing to create interactive things so that if you know someone presses the button or the temperature goes up or whatever the sensor whatever the input is it can create a functional output to turn a motor or ring a bell or do a thing um and so yeah that's so arduino is the hardware that supports the chip but not the chip it's not the chip the chip is an atmel at mega something or other there's a few different boards that use a few different supported chips but it just makes it makes it easier to use that chip for multiple things yes it makes it easier to to to leverage what's possible with the chip without having to learn an ancient and complicated language to do that and assembly or something yeah and to easily plug things in like this board itself has a bunch of headers that you can just plug wires into without really even having to pick up a lot of electronics knowledge along the way but you can plug in your sensors you can plug in the things you want triggered by the sensors and then through the coding you do when you plug this into your computer and load up your instructions you can you know you can do some some trickery to uh you know make it sensitive to certain parameters or a certain context if you want you know if you want to be able to press a button or or or do something that's going to trigger uh you know even like a burst of flame i've i've seen things like this control propane tanks at maker fair um and i've also seen it's using robotics i mean the the reason it's kind of the backbone of so many maker projects is because the same thing that made it easier for art students to program something like this is really make what makes it easy for people who are just getting into electronics or kids who are interested in learning how to to do things with electronics it makes it easier for them as well and it's also an open source hardware which is kind of the blessing and the curse for arduino because that's what made it so easy to pirate the design files for this and make knockoffs is that the everything you need to know about making these boards is out there in the open is it is it pirating though if it's open source yeah not not so much and not unless you're calling it you're using the same design language and calling it an arduino there's a lot of different versions of this that are made by different companies with the full blessing of arduino that call themselves different things but if they still have the right to be able to call their particular boards and trademark them the way that they see fit now and do they oh go ahead scott i was going to say fake arino but also i was going to say this uh what's the difference and i'm asking this as a complete dummy and there may be others who are like me so i'm asking the difference between this and say a raspberry pi what are we talking about yeah yeah i mean the raspberry pi i got in front of me too i thought i'd i'd i'd read the drawer of boards i might as well get them all out i mean a rabbit raspberry pi is a is a is a what do they call like a sock like a whole system system on a chair yeah this is a this is a computer for all practical purposes um it has its own os um it it runs and functions just like uh just like a computer like a a Linux computer or however you want to load whatever os you want to load on to this whereas the arduino is i think a bit more like a nervous system like it that the chip the micro controller chip that's on here it's really designed to be able to take an input and spit out a reaction but not so much to think about playing videos or or processing things or running an os the way that a computer would okay yeah so in arduino you can put it together to make something but it in and of itself can't do much right whereas a raspberry pi obviously have to put in an input device and an output device but beyond but that's all you need to make it do some interesting things because it's a full computer there you go but also i mean raspberry pi there's a different barrier of entry when you're programming something like a raspberry pi you're probably learning python you're falling down that that rabbit hole that some people love but other people you know the art students of the world and myself included you know are much more i want to be able to do as little as possible to get this to to spit something out when i press a button and the arduino can do that uh very practically i think one of the the things that is imposing to people is they see an arduino first of all it sounds complicated because it's got this fancy name uh and then they see it and they see that breadboard they see that green and they're like that's too complicated for me yeah i know but the fact is like put that thing in a nice lego looking case and just call it like here's lego for building things and suddenly and there's actually companies that do that right suddenly you're just like oh so all i do is plug this block into this block and i can it can blink an led and if i plug it in here it can control a motor and drive around with wheels and and you don't have to know anything about that hardware that's on there yeah i think that the thing that's going for arduino uh over the past 10 years is that there's such a huge community um and legacy of projects that have been built on it and have been shared and the code i think you could if you if you start diving into arduino you could spend the first year just copying and pasting other people's ideas and shooting them on to this thing and not even not even learning the syntax of how these things uh are coded from from scratch you know that's that's been my experience at least anyways is really kind of going in seeing the code barely grasping it but knowing that if i want to change uh how far the motor turns i make that number go upward or just doing the little bit of poking and prodding to to push it the existing code and to do what i wanted to do i probably shouldn't admit that that's no i think that make a lot of people feel better about like oh really so that's not cheating if i do that yeah and the other thing i think about is i think about all the italian art students that you know are smoking cigarettes and drinking espresso sure and thinking about this board and it's it's that makes that calms down my anxiety about all the uh you know the electronics i'd see yeah that makes it a very different prod product than just keep a felini film going in on the background exactly you have to think about all the all the art scenes you'd be impressing somewhere uh well and and the last thing before we we uh move off this uh you mentioned you alluded to the fact that there are lots of legitimate companies that make arduino compatible boards they're just not allowed to call them arduino uh is arduino even the best way to go these days i i think there's a really good quality control with an arduino uh that isn't there with say like the real far end of of the knockoffs that you can find on ebay with that are trying to emulate and look exactly like an arduino but aren't um but there are a lot of variants of the arduino that you can come across from places like adafruit or spark fun or the reputable suppliers of electronics that maybe just change a thing or two maybe there's more pins maybe it interfaces better with the motor that's the kind of project you're doing um but i don't think you can go wrong by getting the like this is like the toyota camry of of arduino boards the uno um and once you hit a wall with this then you'll know where to go but you can't you can't go wrong by going with this guy first place to start yeah all right let's get to some messages before we get out of here meredith uh wrote in and said hey uh heard about that new facebook marketplace feature it's been on my ios app for over a month she says i guess i was a beta tester uh and she said her only report is that she's been annoyed because it always has a red notification number on it since people are constantly adding new posts and if the notification number would ever go away she says it won't i could potentially see the new feature as the craigslist killer you guys thought it might be but she doesn't even want to mess with it because there's that glowing red number that just won't go away uh magnus uh heard us talking about eight k tv's yesterday and wrote in to say he saw n h k's eight k screens during the international broadcasting convention this year he adds although the eight k screens were cool most of us regular i bc attendees have seen this for a few years what was really cool this year was a touch sensitive sphere screen from puffer fish this screen really blew my mind and it's the first time i've really seen a cool way to use a 360 degree video without getting motion sickness he has a short clip from his iphone of him touching the sphere at the conference it will throw that in the show notes as well but it is it is like a palantir it like it's actually a sphere and the 360 degree video is projected inside of it so it's like you're looking at a globe and you can then interact with it because it's a touch screen as well i am so into this like whatever that is let's have that mainstream and get my studio now because that is awesome i didn't even know existed that is amazing and then russell wrote in and said he thinks this might be a big deal for his clients they're always craving higher resolution displays for viewing their models in greater detail he says it seems like the eight k might find a home in the technical design fields where that kind of resolution can help you see in finer detail uh finally i got a couple more here brenton chided me for not using a smartwatch he said if you did you'd know that built into my watch is siri and siri works to control my smart home devices siri is also built into my phone my tv my ipad and my computers this difference in approach of placing a single purpose device in a fixed location compared to putting the voice activated decision assistance into anywhere it fits isn't really putting amazon in a leading position in brenton's opinion he says amazon seems to me to be running towards the microsoft and apple approach now by putting it into more devices even google is in more products than just the echo and dot and few others they've managed it's a great point uh i still think amazon echo has the bigger mind share uh but he may be right that apple leaps forward because it's now in your desktop it's going to be in in more devices still have to have apple devices that you can't get siri on your android phone or on your windows laptop uh and matt points out that google only supports one account per device which takes away a big advantage of that fixed device echo supports too but even then that can be a problem if you're in a larger household yeah i mean apple's approach is one that google could easily go for because they want to push android wear and they'd like to see that take off more than it is right now um so there's more they could do about making everyone have a portable uh google assistant watch right on their wrist um if anyone has the capability of doing that more it's probably them because they're also a little more multi-platform friendly uh so my money's actually with them figuring this out it's maybe take a little while and you're right about mind share for for echo but i i wouldn't count google out of this out of this stuff just yet and al the iraqi doctor wrote to wonder about google's support lifespan for the new pixel phone now that it's handling the whole phone experience he says my wife's iphone 5 from 2012 was updated to ios 10 a few days ago and she receives patches regularly the flip side is my nexus 7 from 2013 was left out of the android 7.0 update and that's somewhat forgivable for a $200 tablet but i think it would be highly inappropriate for a $650 plus phone uh so we'll keep an eye out to find out if google says anything about the lifespan of the pixel but you're right if you buy this phone and you spend $650 a lot of people are going to want to use it for more than a couple years six yeah i mean i know we're all we're all on this new pattern of getting new phones every year but not everybody well thank you uh donald bell for joining us a pleasure uh it's a pipe we'll hope you come back soon i'd love to come back thank you tom for having me on tell people about maker project lab what you can find there and where they can subscribe maker project lab is two things for me it's it's a weekly show that i do uh i i call maker update where i just kind of like you i'll i'll put together some news that's interesting to makers i'll throw on some of my favorite projects uh from the past week uh talk about upcoming maker fairs and upcoming contests on instructables and just package that together and that's a lot of fun to do and the other i'll also do uh some builds of either kits or other maker projects and show those off and give my review of them i kind of do like a reviewer's take on projects instead of a uh just kind of going through the motion telling you what to do but why it might be good or bad to do it i really liked your project of the week on this this episode that posted today with the uh the ability to create your own three-dimensional topographic maps that was cool that was a new one yeah and also not that complicated to do with even just cardboard if you wanted to like yeah you can make it really pretty if you have the right saws and everything but you can do it you did it with like what scissors and some cardboard yeah i i think that's that's the thing that gets lost in a lot of the maker stories like the the Thor's hammer kind of maker stories where it's like oh it's amazing but i'm never going to do that um i like to try to find the the projects that are are more attainable so check it out at makerprojectlab.com and subscribe to the youtube channel scott johnson what do you got going on oh there's a million things but i'll just mention one um every thursday most thursdays occasionally there's hiccups but most thursdays i do an art 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that they have different use cases and you did that very well i mean i i think that that may come up again because i think some people look at it like i looked at it like oh is raspberry pi kind of the mainline brand that everyone knows and arduino arduino is more of like a standard that's more open sourcey and raspberry pi is a little more locked down like a lot of that stuff i just didn't know and haven't bothered to go check out so what you told us today really helped me yeah now when we uh when i was at make and we had a pop-up store in the around the holidays and um one of the questions that was like the question of all people coming in through the store was like which board should i choose what's the difference between i've heard of them both but i don't really get you know which one's newer which one has more features and you know which one's more powerful yeah exactly and the raspberry pi is a lot more powerful from a pure processing in your future standpoint but and the the cop out answer is really always like what are you trying to do with it you know and uh if you're just trying to get a button to shoot off a propane tank then you know you go with an arduino don't over don't overthink it you know you don't probably don't want an os getting in the way of of that particular uh function but if you want to have a perfect emulation like a main cabinet of every you know vintage console you can think of then you can you can not make an arduino do that that's uh that's where a raspberry pi comes in well i'm glad i then i bought the right thing i have a pie right over here that i was told that's what i wanted a pie three for um for a main cabinet i want to build yeah uh i guess i did the right thing but then again like if i've got some crazy controller chip needs for specific uh joystick hardware or roller ball hardware and stuff others say well you can integrate an arduino in a way to get better control of that stuff so i gotta get my i have to it's gonna be a big project for me and i have no idea what i'm doing hey that's where youtube comes in handy many many have figured it out you're you're not the pioneer you're on unique solution to the main cabinet it's uh it's a so it's a tradition now now we uh we get uh title suggestions for the show at showbot.tv live during our broadcast roger what do we got that's good roger we can hear you this is one oh this happens sometimes where his his mic goes out he'll be back the top vote getter is donald bell explains arduino you hear me now yes we can sorry i apologize uh yes donald bell explains arduino you see arduino i'd say arduino right right uh no noticable improvement when arduino to rule them all actually i like this line and this is not only because i drive a toda camry the toda camry of arduino boards i think is pretty good uh nothing fancy but it does what you needed to do and you know what it does uh baby burn baby burn samsung inferno uh small chip big impact touching this sphere arduino where hardware meets software um hard we know which is better that's terrible i've i've always wondered what the number of in uh because uh i want to make a fighting stick for uh streetfire two league style games and i want to reuse old hardware i have but it was all designed for like an xbox like the original xbox or ps2 and you can get like a controller which is what they call a kafulu you know interface that allows you to basically map it into a like a more modern 360 or xbox one controller and i'm wondering if arduino could do that or should i just spring for that chip not chip but the interface i think you take take the the path of least resistance if it's not outrageously priced all right good answer i like that our audience is suggesting the most seo friendly title um which even i don't always care about that but donald bell explains arduino is the runaway hit so that's good i'll take it look at nine votes pretty good yeah man i've been enjoying the uh the the shows on your youtube channel do you have a youtube.com slash address also yeah it's youtube.com well it's like youtube.com slash c slash maker project lab i think i don't know why there's a slash c in there oh is it because you're a creator is that a creator thing i don't know maybe oh cool it may work if you don't include the sea i was just trying that yeah you don't have to include the sea it still goes to the right same place yeah mine does that too i think hey donald you're one of those people i'm not supposed to like because you got a first name for a twitter handle it's just yeah it's it's it you go back to the the scene i don't do not feel whatever envy you might feel right now realize the past two years has been nothing but donald trump hate tweets you know i didn't even think about that because ryan ryan block has ryan and he gets ryan sea crest hate tweets i can't imagine oh it's made twitter unusual actually as soon as i signed up maker project lab for like a twitter handle i got to experience what twitter is like again like most people um think about that it's a problem when a big veronica thing comes up and she gets the wrong tweets you know will smith over it tested or was it tested yeah the problem except he's permanently having a problem because he is will smith and the actual will smith does not have will smith what's also funny is i worked right across at sea net i i worked with uh bernie megan my co-worker who has had bernie and so we we have that bernie and so for all the bernie sanders stuff he was getting all the bernie stuff and i was getting all the donald stuff oh and then remember when you worked with hillary mcguffin now there's a lot of first name clubs over at uh at sea net there's uh josh at josh was uh was there at nicole who's now at engadget nicole well nicole was the person the first person i followed on twitter but went but i signed up for sea net on at uh ce s because veronica came up to me at the ce s sea net booth and said oh you gotta try this new twitter thing so i think that i think that ce s is like what brought a bunch of us on and of course dummy i didn't sign up for tom uh which probably was already taken by that because it's tom right but yeah well donald donald was taken to but josh at josh who i was working with he's like you should just email twitter though there's there's a donald account that hasn't been used for a year now it's been and so they were still small enough as an organization to be like yeah sure we'll make it work so i i wrestled the at donald away from somebody else well in november and november you can either breathe easy or really hunger death well i never got someone already had at roger and i didn't want for some reason i thought at roger tang was too prosaic because i was this is literally like the month uh twitter launch so i just picked at jolly roger so i figured so it would somehow be worth my while and valuable and it's a little from a you know a little from column a a little from columbi yeah this is all right i like it when the guy i found a guy who had scott johnson which is a very common name and i said just on a fluke hey i see you're not using it interested in zell and you go i'll give it to you i don't care it gives it to me like sweet i got my name changed it over and everything and about two months later i got an email him begging for it back he was like i screwed up i'm gonna use it now i totally i just need it back and i'm like oh man i just can't now he was really mad at me but oh well take that first of scott johnson's it's so yeah it's hard i i i always figured using your actual name would be i don't know why i don't know why i did what i do i did it later i mean that's the thing tom did ace detect which is impossible to decode unless you know him now fine but at the time he did it because he's like me he was probably like oh this is some throwaway thing that's what i thought it's like oh i'll just use that jolly roger yeah like the gamer tag kind of thing i don't even have that as a gamer tag someone else took it shmuck bass beats so i i have to do jolly ram jet now jolly ram jet like you know jolly roger or roger ram jet so jolly ram jet he's um scram jet scram jets scram jet uh so cool donald bell explains arduino wins i'm still exporting my file oh and donald you don't have to stick around if you don't if you need to go go anytime i just stay on the stream until i publish the file all right well yeah i'm gonna i'm gonna go maybe i might be able to squeeze in a little tiny project thing i've been wanting to do nice to drag the lights into this room and make it i there's usually all i have to explain to you how this construction on this house almost every other day but today was a nice window uh but yeah there's the studio i have out in the back i'm literally dragging a extension cord like a hundred feet from my garage where i have a plug this the shed out back where i've been filming these segments just to run power out there so if i actually have to shoot like a project video i have to do it here at my my dining room table i know how that goes i've been you know i have this setup for dts but then i have to turn on a bunch of stuff to use it and it doesn't necessarily have the best camera angle for certain things so then i tried my dining room table and then i've gone back and forth it's you know i can't wait till making video becomes as easy as recording audio oh man my biggest thing i would do regular video stuff every week if i just i mean it's getting better it's getting better but it's still this huge undertaking every time yeah aired audio you know well there's so many more facets because people want to look good and they want their stuff to look good and well and and the baseline is getting better like the cameras on phones are better the audio on that mic is better but then people still say like oh i can't really hear you as well why don't you plug in a mic where are the lights it's like because that because that causes problems because yeah it is all right well it's been it's been great being on the show thanks yeah thanks dot i'll come back thank you so much for me and i'll hold in the title too that's that's a cherry on top yay sorry that's good to see you man good to meet you guys all right take care uh awesome that was a great show arduino arduino pleased i've only used raspberry pi i didn't want to tell them that so that's my only experience with with that i don't even want to call them i used to call them micro controllers but they're not arduino men arduino mince you know he'd totally get along with his john jagger one of my co-hosts on the hero show we do he is the best at these bad puns oh i've been on cranky a couple times with jagger yeah you know what's up you moved like jagger but he's not you're doing it the other day so zaria got introduced to the heroes of the storm she's an overwatch character named zaria so she shows up in there and his show title for our episode was izaria her face now i'm a believer and i just thought that is some tom merit has tom merit going on right sadly sadly is that is that a i guess it's a pun and izaria a face i guess that's when david jones had a little too much to drink before singing right yeah there you go yeah you've even got a backstory that's good is he the only one that's alive or did everyone else mickey dolin didn't make you don't pass away no you're right there is only one left yep one monkey they eventually learned how to play their instruments too one of them knew already that's true yeah nestman but i mean like as a band together yeah actually learned to play so i want to see them everyone always talks about that movie they made that um jack nicholson wrote called like head or horror i think it's head yeah is it head yeah like keep hearing really like that's a thing to see no matter what age you are no matter who your my wife brought me a burger thanks babe like you said film in 1986 kind of burger 86 no 68 i'm sorry 1968 american adventure musical satire film written by jack nicholson and bob rafelson i think i if i knew that nicholson wrote it i'd forgotten that that's interesting she's right columbia it's too many things i want to see what kind of burger did you get she brought me a thing from it looks like a single thing from um the habit well we you might have it didn't we you have a good habit there small one which i is good because i don't need to be digging out when i went to salt lake city i made sure to get in the habit yeah get in that habit in order of burger oh yeah you ordered the big one i think it'd be kind of normal and it was it was like a monster yeah i ordered yeah i ordered like was the regular or whatever yeah or the double was it a double because i always get a double double i don't know i think that's what it was i ordered the double and it was like ridiculous yeah they're doubles like three burgers or something yeah that's what it was you ate though to your credit my gosh yeah don't waste food like so much climato it was yeah depression error parents you learn we were raised to eat the whole burger we make use of all the burger so i had a text message conversation with anthony carboni earlier uh to try to see if he was available sadly he was not however uh he has published excerpts on twitter from our text message conversation so yeah you can go find uh that's what you want the excellent part where anthony says if there's one chip that you can use as anything then why do we still have different things wake up sheeple kubrick did 9 11 and i wrote his best work yeah but what's in the you know it's it's uh it's i remember so a while back like maybe back in the mid 90s there was a commercial for uh for an airline or whatever like they're just talking about like uh oh no maybe it was for like i'm trying to remember but someone made a comment of uh yes i was on flight 9 1 1 referring to the emergency and i was thinking if they ever played that again people would not automatically assume as the emergency call but rather the september 11th date and so and how did anthony carboni reply to you i've emailed him like two or three times and he never gets a message i only just got a text message you got to get a text message going do you have his phone number on twitter i have a phone number for him here let me get here why don't you share it with me while we're streaming live it's four four four four four four four four four four wow you got lucky with that one yeah i am impressed all right i think i've published us despite my distractions accurately and correctly where am i gonna get see that's the one thing about moving where am i gonna find a good burger now like i i just now kind of figured where everything was you've lived in san francisco for how long for a long time i was just now figured where everything is i don't think that's true you're right i figured out where everything was and then a bunch of hipsters moved in changed everything and made it crappy so i had to find you see that's why you have to leave things in la never move like everywhere i go there's a hipster it's just all over the place not in not in la no hipster free i am looking at a single pretentious person in the entire county i don't have to see anyone wearing a a woollen beanie on a 78 or 80 degree day walking around with a scarf uh no but up where you're gonna be there's tons of great burger places you'll have no shortage in fact they call it the burger county the burger valley that's what they call it all right uh thank you everyone for watching you guys are the best thank you everyone for listening