 Hey, it's time for voice over body shop our special holiday edition Yeah, so our fan appreciation night. That's right. You know, it's we're we're getting down towards the end of 2020 but remember how they thought that 2020 getting rid of 2020 was gonna be great and 2021 was Not a heck of a lot different money how those jokes kind of went away towards the end of 2021 Well, at least we're still here to tell them Anyway, today, we're gonna do our holiday show and this is pretty much a guest or a fan hangout And we want to hear from you guys if you're watching the show live You get the chance to be on here email us at the guys there it is right down there At vOBS dot TV'd say I want to be on the show and we will send you a link and you can be on the show and You can say what you want to say as long as it's politically correct Holiday correct or ish. Yeah That sort of thing and So join us. Let's have some fun Let's talk about what you've learned here on vOBS in the last couple of years or in the time You've been watching and we want to hear from you. So get ready. It's time for voice over body shop right now From the outer reaches they came Bearing the knowledge of what it takes to properly record your voice over audio and Together from the center of the vO universe. They bring it to you now George Wittem the engineer to the vO stars of Virginia Tech grad with the skills to build set up and maintain The professional vO studios of the biggest names in vO today and you Dan Leonard the voice over home studio master professional voice down with the knowledge and experience to help you create a professional sounding home vO studio and Each week they allow you into their world Bring you talks with the biggest names in the voice of a world today Letting you ask your questions and giving you the latest information to make the most of your voice over business Welcome to voice over body shop Voice over body shop is brought to you by voice over essentials.com home of Harlan Hogan signature products Source elements remote studio connections for everyone voice actor websites.com where your vO website isn't a pain in the butt vO heroes.com become a hero to your clients with award-winning voice over training Jmc demos when quality matters and voiceover extra your daily resource for vO success and now Live to drive from their super secret clubhouse and studio in Sherman Oaks, California Here are the guys Well, hello and happy holidays. I'm Dan Leonard and I'm George Whitton and this is voice over body shop or vO Bs Well, it's cold enough to be a Christmas around here in Southern California Yeah, this doesn't get you into the spirit in LA I mean, this is this is about as Christmasy as the weather gets around here And I mean it's been up in the high 30s down here at at at night at night. Yeah, yeah I mean you go with the Big Bear or something. It's down to like 15. Oh, yeah It's it's legit real winter up there in the mountains. Yeah, really. I haven't been up there have not really seen snow Up close well once when I was in Chile a couple years ago But you probably haven't been seeking it out after living for 50 years. Yeah. No, I have not been but Nostalgically, it would be nice to go up, you know, maybe, you know, Chris driving up that road to Big Bear You're Marcy's like now. This is car sickness You know personified. I recommend going up to Mount Baldy It's not nearly as long of a drive and it's not yeah, it's still a commitment But it's nothing nearly as long as Big Bear Just don't go there the day of a storm Bring your chains exactly. Yes. Yeah Yeah, so that's that's Christmas in Southern California kids. It's You know, we're we're used to the palm trees and people doing the you know, the rose parade and on New Year's Day and you know, but we're heading back into this this pandemic mode and We are I you know, I Have the feeling that this thing now listen, I am not an epidemiologist. I am you know, I nor have I played one on TV But it would seem that if you're vaccinated And you have a good immune system this thing, you know, this Omicron thing, you know I I have to look at the Greek alphabet. I had to see what's coming next but if you if you saw the film World War Z and One with Brad Pitt or he's you know, this virus turns people into zombies and stuff Fortunately, this one didn't turn people into zombies. It's just you know, I guess It's look, you know, this this new variant apparently has mutated so it now can transmit really easily But it's not gonna get you all that sick. It's sort of like the flu because yeah, hopefully that's the case Yeah, you know, I mean and there's something else going around too. They've got it going on in the house and other people have been getting it But it's not COVID. Yeah, I've done the test like Just one blue line. I'm not pregnant. You know, if you've done the instant tests, you know what I mean But anyway, it's our holiday show We want to hear from you guys right to us at the guys at V obs dot TV and we will send you a link So you can literally come on and be on this show with us Show us your studio. Tell us what you're doing and you can give your holiday greetings To each and every one of the millions of people watching this show right now Wherever it is that they're watching this show or stuff that you've learned on the show or maybe something you've learned this year somewhere else So you'd love to share with us and the and the viewers that would be great too, right? And of course if you have a question for George and I about your home voiceover studio technology Now be a great time throw it into the chat room whether you're on Facebook or on YouTube or Wherever you're watching us and let us know so don't be shy. We want to see you guys We want to see who it is. We're talking to every week on this show and that would that would help So, I mean we've learned things on this show. I mean what what was your what was what was the most important thing you learned in 2021 from from doing our show I would say and you know, I might say it might sound like nothing new, but I would say it would definitely be like How important it is to simplify your your studio setup for your sanity's sake Avoiding gear that requires complex software mixing consoles driver console drivers Things that can just surprise you the next day before your session that just don't work anymore because of an update Or because you just thought well, I thought it was just an update, but it turns out it was an OS upgrade and you broke stuff You know, there's more and more stuff being shoved down our throats to upgrade to these days, you know from Mac OS and on Windows and If there's enough coming at you all the time so adding more complexity in terms of a learning curve about your Software driver versions consoles you're using etc. Etc Just to add in one simple feature that a lot of people always seem to want which is loopback or playback Just doesn't make a whole heck of a lot of sense and it's It's it's caused a lot of frustration and wasted time I was doing a podcast record recently in the guest. We waited an hour while we had a troubleshoot To get the guest's equipment to work, you know on a podcast and you know, that's four people plus the guests waiting While we got everything working, you know, it's um, so it's we nobody wants to waste anybody's time nobody likes the stress of it and so that's that's been a big takeaway just again simplifying your home studio to the basics and A good condenser mic good acoustics and a clean audio interface preamp Which essentially is almost everything available on the market at this point Um, is really what you should be using these days. Um, unless you're an engineer Absolutely Yeah, now what I've learned this year Is the exact same thing, but it has to do with doing a webcast that you can simplify a whole thing I was gonna go grab The pile of wires that we pulled out of here, right when we changed We changed the the software that we used to do the show. I mean we had we had three cameras. We have You know, you know switching software we had the beast And with this big pc the super powered pc that we were like Well, we have to have it because it makes the software work Right and there were cables running all the way through here And now we've gotten it down to simply webcams And we can do anything we want essentially. I mean there's a couple of limitations But in order to do a live show like this as a as a webcast with cameras is uh Not that hard You know and and you know, I mean it's It's easy enough If you know what you're doing, you know, one of the things that we you know, we were talking about earlier is everybody wanting to do podcasts Now I personally i'm you know, I've always been saying it's great that everybody can do a podcast It doesn't mean everybody should do a podcast at least you should have something to say Or at least, you know, some idea of what you want to get out there Yeah But our our director sumer lino tends to think differently because she is a podcast producer And she wants as many podcasts out there starting up as close Why wouldn't she exactly? You know, but yeah, I we're wondering if we should start teaching people how to do the the podcast engineering Which is not really as complex as doing voiceover You know the hardest part is just finding the right tools and there's so many good online based tools now for Recording multiple people in one conversation Heck even zoom now can record every voice in the call as separate tracks Right, right that's built into zoom now So when you're you know, we're doing a show that we call a podcast because we release it as a podcast format But it's not produced like a traditional podcast where I feel like a podcast traditionally is like something that is Something it's done offline like there might be an interview But someone will intro the they'll intro the interview Tonight i'm going to be talking to xyz, but the interviewee is recorded earlier or at another time, right? Right, and it's all produced they bring in music and you know, all the stuff is assembled And that's what you hear on the show So that's what I think part of it's the the technical side part of it's the production stuff or post And part of it's just the mechanics of how do you get the podcast out to the world? And yeah, if there's enough demand if you guys are Looking to enter the world of podcasting yourselves reach out to us. Let us know so We know it's something we should actually put some energy into yeah Well it being the holiday season we've got we've got some greetings and we're gonna play some of those throughout the show I think we're we're gonna start with somebody far far away and a good friend of ours who's been with us for You know since you and I were doing east west audio body shop back when I was in Buffalo and you were in Santa Monica and Uh and and our friend Ramesh started joining us and he's I'm in the canary islands. So let's hear from Ramesh Hello v obs How are you guys a little greeting from the canary islands of the northwest coast of africa for those of you who don't know where we are You must have heard of our erupting volcano Which has decided to stop finally after nearly three months and a lot of devastation But anyway, that's not in this island. That's just about 200 kilometers that way here. We are safe. It's nighttime It's 11 15 p.m Probably earlier in the united states definitely earlier in pacific time So i'm sending you lots of warm greetings from a sunny canary islands 23 degrees more or less set degree that is And wishing you guys really well lots of love happiness and enjoy a wonderful festive season. Bye Hmm. Well, some well, i'm getting all sorts of texts here No, wait a second. No, that's this one Okay, that's the one thing I miss about having the road casters having those buttons right there I'll have to find another way to do that, right, you know, and if things get really dull around here. I just go to Uh, never gets old well, maybe it's no it don't not for me. It doesn't but anyway um Once again, we want to have you go if you've got a question and we can get to a couple of questions right now because George and I like talking about home voiceover studios and voiceover in general But we got we got a couple of questions here. Why don't we start on some of those? Well, you guys write in and tell us that you want to be on this show. Do not be shy your professional voice actors and you know We want to you can't be shy Be in the conversation. That's true I know we see one person that's getting ready to be on but let's let's go to the first question We have here from Jeanette Robinette. She says Something about podcasting. See the sure mv7 podcast mic That's the one that sort of looks like a an sm7b only it's An usb mic with its own recording software. I understand that it's Best to record in auto mode. However, do you recommend putting the recording through audacity or like a program to do editing? Of course You know, if you're if you're doing live streaming Uh, I guess auto mode is probably a good thing to do. But yeah, I'd say the live streaming auto would be better It's less to think about on the fly I mean, you know, we have a hard time getting all our levels matched and figuring out all that stuff on this show And we know what we're doing So taking one thing off your plate and just let auto the auto level stuff's gotten much better That it used to be on the old video cameras. So I'd say that's probably a smart way to go Yeah, that's uh, you know, I mean All of a lot of these usb mics have their own actually it's probably true of several different things Some interfaces come with their own software Uh, even for max and sometimes you gotta I know the uh, the epigee stuff has their their maestro system Which is like what? Um, yeah, it can get a little confusing this revelator here The personas has a it's called their universal control. Right something like that. Yeah Software can be confusing and intimidating You know, it's it's a lot of you you just want to be able to hit record and go and and not worry about all this other stuff But sometimes the software will give you a little bit more boost To the uh, to the preamp and stuff like that and that's really necessary for voiceover because we're always You know talking more conversationally You know, you know, we go ahead. So I I haven't gotten to play with this sure mv7 enough to understand Uh, whether that is a good setting to use Um, but I'd say generally if a mic has a proper auto gain setting that can handle that for you That will that just takes one thing off your plate when you're live streaming But if you're recording yourself for vo I would not recommend any kind of auto At least an auto leveling thing. I would if it has an auto gain setting like the evo4 Audience that's not so that's not such a bad idea. It's okay But I wouldn't have it continuously changing your levels while you're recording if your producer gets that file. They're gonna go crazy Having your levels constantly varying. They're not gonna like that. Do you want it nice and consistent? Well, we have one guest. So he's queued up here and one of our one of our wonderful contributors Uh, and that is and of course, do you know how to pronounce your name, right, george? Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna say that I think I do and I think it's shana Where is she get back in you guys are fighting over the Happy holidays. What's up you guys? Hey, how you doing? I'm doing okay I was making cookies upstairs and I was like no, I should come down and let's say hi. I have questions and stuff So, okay holidays. I am endlessly sending people your way And endlessly having people hopefully find you when they need help Primarily beginners who are just at that place where they need to Make the right choices and not invest like a ton of money and things that might work. I might not You'd be surprised how often it's too late, but the time they get to us. Yeah, I bought all this stuff at Banjo Emporium. Yeah, I know Um, actually I have a question about the mic you were just talking about because a ton of people are buying it And like I have the sure smb the one that needs the cloud lifter. I don't use it all the time It was in our studios in in georgetown This new one that came out is it Cutten is it is it okay if it's put into an interface? I know it can be either usb Or interface this george rapidly googles this I never know what to say about this mic and I haven't really liked what I've heard and people send me stuff But I was really curious about your opinion on it because well Just from the design of this thing that it's supposed to look like an sm7b It's that it's lighter weight though. You can't like lift weights with it. Like I don't think you can with an sm7 Yeah, I mean that it was just the sm7b was designed as a broadcast mic and you'll see them in radio stations And it's a dynamic mic. It's not a condenser mic. Um, I don't know Oh, I heard a shoot out of the mb7 against some other really really inexpensive dynamic mics Like they're like the shirt makes one called the pg 48. Okay. That's a handheld Basic budget handheld vocal mic. It's an sm58 But the budget chinese version That's essentially what the mb7 sounds like. It's not a bad. It's not bad But you're really buying a $50 mic Okay, wrapped inside the package that looks like a you know, a $400 mic That's the mv7 x the mv7 x which just came out, right? Right the mv7 the original one is usb and xlr, right? Yeah No, the one I have is only and I bought it from a friend. Uh I think mine's analog only but I've also had it for five years. So I think it's the smb Well, you're talking about the sm7b Yeah, I'm talking about the heavy one. Yeah, I'm talking about the mv7 x mv. Okay. Yeah, they released the mv7 x To have an xlr version of the mv7. Yeah for people that don't want to use the usb They don't want the onboard processing. I just want a basic Dynamic mic and but don't want to buy the sm7b the good news is it is more sensitive Like as a dynamic mic goes it's it has a higher output than the sm7 So it's going to be a little bit easier to use on your typical interface but I've heard samples of the mv7 used properly with good mic technique good good acoustics In a quiet room. It sounds quite fine. It works pretty well My other questions about source connect standard versus source connect pro and what's being required because I I've only had to do source connect standard sessions For the last year and a half two years But I'm I'm sort of seeing in some paperwork that I recently had to sign some other stuff where they're they're kind of stipulating pro And how much of that could be a dr and promo stuff It's a hundred bucks a month. That's why I ask it's you know, it's pricey And I haven't talked to the folks over at you know source elements yet, but So so why do they I guess the problem here is you don't know why they want pro Right. So I mean I'm still with standard and no one has actually said to me. I have to get pro But it's more do they speculate did they specifically say not standard must be pro or not the free version Must be pro. It's not the source connect now. I mean I know about that. We don't for sure It's no we don't want to use that It's more when I saw this this latest contract with an agency that I'm going to be within in la Everything was source connect pro was in the paperwork didn't say not standard See this is the problem. There's a lot of misnomers about naming of software All it takes is one intern or whatever to type this stuff out Yeah, it doesn't fully understand the stipulation or the differences between standard and pro And then what what happens is people keep saying not the free one And so they go, oh, you mean the pro one and they go, yeah that one and that ends up on the contract No actor needs the pro version Standard No, it's because it's fine. That's good to know Yeah, the the producers use pro because they can do q manager assist a q manager thing where It'll automatically record the session for for you and then upload the session in the background does all kinds of interesting stuff Okay to host that you have to be on pro But the the talent can all be on standard and use that Technology it's amazing how few people actually make use of the q manager. It's actually A brilliant thing it literally is recording the session in the background all the time On the talents computer And he can be uploaded even weeks later because it's stored in like a buffer So like if something goes wrong, they can go to the q manager and say, hey Will you start your q manager and then they can just grab the session right off your computer? It's all completely transparent. Oh, that's pretty pretty cool stuff. Oh, that's sweet Well, it's about time that source connect has come into its own What do we've only for since we started doing this show it's like you should have this you need to have this Yeah, and thank you for the video that you put out George that saved like I don't know how many lives of of it being pulling their hair out Oh, how to use it things Yeah, the only thing that happened to me this year and I'm sure other people know this But I didn't I didn't know that my modem could reset my ip address Yeah, yeah, that's pretty I did I called them and I had plenty of time For them first for source elements to get on with me and say, oh, yeah Your modem just reset the ip address and your your ports are no longer mapped And they fixed it and they apparently said that they won't happen again because they went in and did the I just don't follow All the stuff that has to happen in the modem. That's where it absolutely is above and beyond my head and I know the routers Routers are the problem with routers is they're basically like a computer themselves like a server And they all have their own operating systems So like imagine if like every computer you had to sit down and work on add a different os Like how maddening that is that's how these routers are. So there's a netgear router os You know, so as doing support on them is a pain because you're like, oh, where the heck is the port forwarding? Oh, no, they call it port mapping and you know, it's just it's it's a pain But do you have to remember? I think that's another confusion about the source connect. There's so many hashtag source connect myth That you don't have to have a static ip address for your your House like your wan your wide open network. You don't have to have a static ip there But you do need to have a fixed ip address on the the computer that you're using it with So that it can't change the ip address on you and there's ways to do that It's just knowing that you have to do it in the first place. That's the tricky part I was glad that I logged in two days before and went what do you mean by ports no longer mapped And immediately got on with them like oh, yeah, we can fix that. It was easy to fix but yeah, and they do that. It's great Yeah, thank you for that video Thank you for being with us. Yeah, thank you. Thank you for being a perennial supporter of our show It's great to see you and that's a lovely studio you have, you know, it's a lot of foam It's a lot of foam from 10 years ago. I would do panels now But you know what it works and if it if it were if it ain't broke My next door neighbor was doing is siding this year when I had sessions. So um, and I'm underneath my stairs on like a harry potter type Yeah, honey, you don't want to be a big person in here, but Are you seeing it or standing? I am currently sitting but I can do both because I've got like my 416s up here And I stand and then I've got a stool like a drum stool that I can kick up and down Excellent, but for like 40 47 mic in front of you. I have a t102 now. I'm actually on it a t102 Oh, yeah, yeah, and then my 416. I have to like a little kid show off My 416s way up here at current. I was it's shoved out of the way right now. So I pointed at anything um And then I have the ability my husband put in a granite countertop A romantic, uh, I don't yeah no reflection off of that. Well, I've got it covered Which is the irony, right? You know, but I mean it's it's beautiful I don't have granite countertops upstairs, but I do your studio and then well you also I remember it from your studio. You're the teaching lab that you work in They you guys had some cool mounts for your mom It all started in here. I mean that's what this thing is So it's like my feet are completely clear as I sorry as my did all kinds of crazy things. Um, my feet are clear And everything is mounted to pipe That you saw yes home depot and so the only problem right now is I've got my Manfrotto arm and my other arm attached to my coffee tray So, you know, that's a problem Every time I sat down my coffee and then my new favorite thing I think it was Jordan Reynolds posted on facebook. What is the thing that's driving you crazy right now? I was like, oh, that'd be my coffee because I keep putting my coffee down directly below my Neumann And so my weight goes into the coffee mug swirls around a couple times and comes back out Just just a little bit like that Well probably like like D. Bradley Baker because he does that stuff like on purpose, you know I wasn't actually trying to do that. I was like, what the hell it took me like 15 minutes Yeah, it sort of sounds like that after a while add a little ring to it because it's a pottery mug, right? Yeah, how about it? All right, shana Yeah, thanks for being with us. Hey happy holiday and it's shana, right shana shana shana It's shana. There should be a you in there then there should be a you or w or a w All of my friends live on these guys call me shona. So, you know Join yeah, okay. All right shona. Merry christmas. Happy new year. Thanks for joining us. Bye. Bye your cookies. Alrighty Hey, it's time to now our next guest is somebody who who's been with us for a while He runs our you know our chat rooms and stuff And he's he's got something he wants to talk about because he's in a big release movie with some big stars And we want to ask him about it. Let's welcome jeff holman to the show That's holly jeff holman to you Hey, how's it going? Good. How are you doing? We're good. We're good So you tell us about what you've been up to Well, I can finally uh celebrate The my blessing that I was involved in a project earlier this year Called being the rickardos The new erasirken movie So awesome. Yeah Thank you. Thank you. What's your role? Yeah. Oh, I play uh, roger otter Who is the Philip Morris executive in charge of the uh, I love lucy show I basically tell them what they can and can't do with their show and they tell me where to go with that That must be a lot. How many days were you on set? Uh, actually I was on set probably um, maybe A total of three weeks although the shoot went like two and a half months Right three weeks is quite a lot of time Yeah, yeah, it was a good. It was a good. Uh, it's good pay. Good. There are a lot of sets Was it a lot of location or was it on back? What how did where were the where are they shooting? Actually, they were shooting at sunset gower studios in los angeles a lot of it And then some of it was at the buell theater on wilshire a lot of the uh office scenes and the backstage scenes were there And uh, some of the was also shot on the queen mary No far out Did you get to do any location or like outdoor scenes where there was like, you know Vintage cars and all that kind of stuff. Was that going on? No, no, I never got to do any vintage cars shots I wish I live. I love that stuff. That's what I love about period films is seeing the cars, you know And you're realizing somebody's got they got all these cars They bring them in either the studio on summer. They rent them and yeah, sometimes a bus goes by and you're like, oh my god That's a vintage. You know These cars are all 50 plus years old. It's really cool. Yeah amazing, yeah, all the and all the all the Wardrobe was all period and all the rings and watches we were wearing and everything all that was It was really cool. Yeah, everybody have a nice thing too What was up Yeah, oh my god, right? Yeah Nicole and Javier were so nice too. Super generous genuine people not Jerks at all not uh, didn't have their noses in the air. They were just like super down to earth and cool Yeah, it was great That's so nice. I'm what yeah, and uh And all all everyone like every single person that I worked with was just really really cool That's great. I'm that's such a cool experience for you, man Hey, you know, we've always been got a kick out of your email address hollywood Jeff Holman and like dude, you're like living it Yeah, finally, right Yeah, they're uh overnight success after 25 years of the business That's how it works. It's a lot of work takes a lot of stick to itiveness People all the time, you know, we hear all the time like well, I've been auditioning for a year And I haven't looked in the family. I'm like, hey, you know Keep going those people you see on tv or in commercials or on on a big commercial campaign That it's extremely rare that they get those quickly. That's that's 10 plus years of work. You didn't know they were doing Yeah, definitely definitely Yeah, all righty All right, I'm also on uh, something really cool called yellow jackets, which is on show time Uh, so I'm a recurring character on that. I play this character called randy walsh And uh, I don't know if you've seen that show, but it's pretty intense. No, I haven't Yeah, yeah, it's about uh a uh girl soccer team who gets marooned in the canadian wilderness So it's sort of like lord of the flies in the canadian wilderness with women. Exactly. That's perfectly Yeah, have you seen it? I think you've seen it. I've not seen it yet. I've seen lord of the flies I mean, I did go to middle school, but I've seen lost And then there was lost exactly, you know what that's funny. You mentioned that my manager thinks it's a lot like lost too Because it does a lot of flashbacks. Uh, you know getting to know the characters through flashbacks. So Yeah, it's very cool. And then early 22 Yeah, I'm gonna be in minx as well, which is an hbomax project See that and this is this is how it works in hollywood You get yourself into one big thing with all the good people and then suddenly you're on everybody's good list Boom and your your career is happening. That's that's great to hear Thank you. Thanks you guys. I really appreciate it Thanks for helping us out too. Yeah, absolutely oil and being here whenever you can when you're not shooting and Helping us out in the chat and keeping our questions flowing. We really appreciate it man. Happy. Yeah Thank you. Yeah, one time I did it from vancouver when I was when I was filming yellow jackets out there. I remember Yeah, yeah, I love I love being a part of the show and I always learn so much you guys are really great teachers Yeah, what have you learned specifically from us something that you know made a difference for you Uh specifically mic placements. I mean seriously, it's so basic, but Having that, you know the hang loose versus the thumbs up versus the the fist. Yeah, that's key Um being able to you know properly point my 416 so it's coming sort of down You know toward my mouth but not actually at my mouth Yeah, mic placement huge Yeah, because it's like it's like a selfie, but before we had selfie cameras It's like holding a camera and trying to get a nice shot But without being able to preview yourself. What a great analogy. That's kind of like aiming a mic is kind of like that You yeah, even if you have headphones on if you don't know what to listen for It can be difficult to to get on target with the microphone. It's a lot easier with a selfie camera, obviously Unless your arm is really short like mine Trying to get the whole thing. Come on. We can all get in this Make your arm longer. Come on Dan just Well, Jeff we we can't thank you enough for all you've been doing for us and getting on You know the the chat rooms in order and getting everybody's questions on and uh happy to help Alrighty, well, Merry Christmas to you and happy new year and uh, happy holidays to you guys We'll see you in 2022 Sounds good. All right. Love you We love you too. All right, we're gonna take a quick break right now and we'll be back Come on guys. Join us. You can be on just like Jeff was or or shana or anybody else and you can talk to us Ask your questions. Give us your your holiday wishes and we'll be right back after these important messages Don't go wait before time began. 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I'd love to have you with us Dan O'Day, and I teach the acx master class brand new Four payment plan use the link you see on the screen And we'll see you in march This is bill radner and you're enjoying voiceover body shop with dan lennard and george widham v obs dot tv All righty, we're back and you know, we got a bunch of people in the queue that want to talk to us keep it brief You know, it's telling people you want to do a holiday greeting you keep it to 60 seconds You know and let's Let's make it move on so other people can get on so let's go to our next guest who's joining us who's with us Apparently every week Jay Horace black jay join us. Please there you are Hey, hey Hey, what's going on? Hey, just want to say appreciate you guys. Uh, george your your thing on the zoom updates And uh, something about i remember there was a time when the u. The u.a. Apollo wouldn't work well with zoom made a boxy Yeah That that was huge and then i want to throw out shout to dan because when i was in town back before covet And i had a screw file out of my 416 Screw fell out of your 416 There's a back of it with a plug And uh, what'd you do you wouldn't your tool case and you look for a screw you said no I don't have one but you called somebody in la and he stayed open late for me to get there because you know traffic is terrible and and gave me the screw for free and um How cool is that guys for that and the constant knowledge you guys give me gives me more confidence going into sessions when i have them Yeah, that's really cool, man. We really appreciate and we appreciate that you're you're here almost every week We see you there. I know we always have a question loyal fans. I have questions to keep the show going man. You guys are the You guys are the coal in the engine Appreciate it very much. Oh, yeah, you know voiceover does not run on coal No, I don't know why I came up with coal I'm thinking of back home ventilvania the coal crack in region That's what i'm thinking you are the nuclear fuel that keeps it going. How's that a little bit more contemporary fuel rod? Yeah, exactly Jay great to see you man. And uh, you know, we're all gonna get together soon Is this thing can't last forever, but You know, you're the chicago area, right jay? I'm in indianapolis, but I work as a chicago local local. Okay, gotcha Oh, okay, cool b.o. Laughs a lot in la And constantly i'm like because the questions a lot of people have about their mics and Uh, I even took the clip you sent in youtube with the mic placement My technique and I both posted it on the chat room because a lot good didn't know, you know And the boxy sounds are having us you need to call george and dan so Thank you. Well, we appreciate that and send everybody, you know our way Cheers Cheers. Alrighty. Thanks jay. Happy holidays, buddy. Yeah, all right. We got another question here from uh, sandra man willer Uh, who's watching us on youtube. She says happy holidays guys after much hemming and hawing I've purchased my first mac book air m1 you mean like This one george got one around here somewhere. Yeah, I know I got mine a couple days ago and uh Are you happy with it so far? Yeah, you know we'll have to find out if she's happy So I mean just got a day. I'm nervous, but you gave me the courage to take the plunge. Thanks to you both Yeah, well Thank you, sandra. Yeah, you know, I've got mine, you know, it's You know loading it up was no problem. You know, you just go into uh, you know the migration assistant And suddenly like your old computer is on your new computer and it was pretty simple Of course, you gotta remember some passwords and stuff like that. Yeah, but I don't know your apple id password And you know it now like it used to be turn on a new mac and a few clicks and you're up and running Now it asks you like 15 or 20 questions Just trying to get it started up for the first time but Uh, you know, so it's a it's it's it can be a little annoying. It's like, okay Now you wouldn't what what do you want to know now? Will you let me use my computer, please? But uh, no, I yeah the the performance is uh, I think it's worth that the performance you get is uh Silent cool operating battery last all day is it's worth the little inconveniences. I think oh, absolutely You know, it is a lot faster. It's a lot lighter Uh, yeah, it's pretty light. Yeah, I don't have to keep remembering my password because it's got the uh, Thumb thing on it. Remember when phones had those how handy that was Now they have that annoying face id The face id with the pandemic the face id just went on it's like you're standing in line at the supermarket. Let's see what's gonna Shoot, I gotta remember my freaking password You beep it then you put in the password and then you you beep it again. You gotta go. It's just like come on Yeah, it was technology. I love it. I love the fingerprint reader for sure. All right. We've got another guest. Come on This is great people. You want it? We want you to get on here and and talk with us We want to see we see we do this show and we can't see everybody out there. We we know you're there But you know, we want to hear from you guys and uh get the chance to be on our show Our next guest is jonathan grant jonathan. Welcome. Hey guys, how are you? Good. Hey, sound great when in dude reboot. Did it work? Yeah, I did I had to close chrome. I don't know what's going on the technology Well chrome is like, you know people forget but chrome is like an operating system of its own It's like an operating system that runs on your operating system, right? It's it's a heavy beast of a of a program So, yeah, I think instead of zagging. So Kind of threw me off a little while you're here. Thanks for joining us. Yeah So I'm six months in uh to voice over. Oh, wow. I've been an alchemy for 22 years Uh web development design everything for myself And I've dreamt about this my whole life and you know, I'm the guy that would be driving down the car imitating the guy doing the imaging on the radio You know just constantly And just love it and so far having a lot of fun And I don't have a lot of experience that I can offer but I can give some insight on the newbie perspective Please sure. I love that you're so in the six months Um, so I did take a misstep and I ended up talking to um mark cashman about it This misstep that I took I'm like, how would I know if I'm running into nonsense? And he says when it starts sounding like bs That's not exactly how he said it Yeah, no mark would mark wouldn't say it that way. Yeah, he I was being kind but um So that was something that I quickly was able to remedy and uh, I do have a coach that I'm working with And I'm really excited about that. We're we're now kind of refining scripts and getting down to uh recording a Approved demo my booth is set up as you can see. Um, I actually built this myself It's a room within a room Quick specs. I'm using mineral wall For the walls. Um, I built the two existing walls were already insulated So then I built it's got a neo wall. So it's not square So I have a 45 degree angle here for the door. Um, the red that you see are Panels that are filled with four inches of uh, the owens corning 703 Um, no real bass traps in here. Um, in fact, I was getting ready to send you guys a file to check my audio I do have a cloud a four inch cloud for uh, two by four The rest is all oral acts I've got a uh, Sennheiser 416 and then Also an omen tl-103 That's a good starter mic. Yeah No, I start I actually started out. I had a akg uh c 214 And it sounded a little tinny and uh feedback that I got it sounded a little tinny Um, and for me the tlm what I have found is because I already have kind of a lower register is that it's That mic's kind of already getting rid of some of the mud and it's bringing up the mids and the highs a little bit for me Whereas if I get the proximity effect on the 416 You know, I'll shake somebody's uh desk Um, are you working seated most of the time or standing and seated or both? So I'm seated now, but I'll stand I've got a stand-up desk. I just push a button here. I stand when I record Otherwise, I don't know. I feel have you noticed the difference in the sound when you're standing versus sitting Yeah, I think is when you're erect, you know, it elongates the diaphragm. I think So how about this sound acoustically? Do you have you noticed the way the mic sounds different when you're standing versus sitting? No, no, then that might be because you did a really good job of tuning the ceiling cloud Well, I did have I had some slap coming off of the monitor in front of me So I I actually put that on a pole now and it's tilted back Because the first point of reflection was coming straight back in my face So I'm trying to send it around the room Um, not an expert, but everything I've learned listening to you guys, you know, and try to implement it in here Even here over stream yard, it sounds pretty clean and sound so yeah, my my noise floor in here Is about on well on the on the 416. It's a minus 67 Get better on the TLM. It's a crowding 60 57 Is it picking up more rumble that mic has a lower end picks up low end like Nobody's business. It's like a seismograph. Yeah, so Yeah, what I'm finding is that it's hard You know, you look at it As an outsider and you're like, oh, I can read that. Let me just read this, you know, this is easy Yeah, we can all read right we've been reading for 50 years There's a lot more to it than that. Yeah on the new one. So I had some questions I know you want to move to other guests in that and I just wanted to quick shoot a couple if I could Please, okay. Yeah, so I'm hearing a lot of love hate about the dbx 286 s hate Okay For for podcast or webcast, it's a pretty nice tool for for vio. It's right. It's designed for live broadcast Yeah, and that's not for recording voice over. So I have one in here because I just I took care of I built another wall out in the next room to take care of some ambient kind of noise That was coming into the next room And I was using a dbx for just the expander, you know to keep some noise down Yeah, I haven't had to turn it on since so oh good for you. Well, there you go. You're doing the right thing. I'll probably get rid of it Yeah, I I find it's an okay tool. I mean if you have nothing better and it it's a good enough thing for webcast and radio and streaming and Well, but for vio, it's what I had learned from you guys is you know, if you're pre-processing You're stuck you get what you get Yeah, you know, if you run it through that and you can't come back and fix And I think you get used to the way it sounds. I get samples from people. I say give me raw audio I hear it and then I can hear the expander because it's not quite set right or it's it's set too aggressively and It's not something weird or on star trek Yeah Yeah, I know you're trying to hide it, but you're not hiding it from engineers. They're gonna hear it Right, they know what to listen for right exactly. So don't try to fool us So what equipment if you were to recommend something for pre-processing? What would you recommend? Your voice just the voice just well pre-processing You want pre-posted? Well, let me ask you this. Why do you want pre-processing? I don't even know that I do. That's why I'm here You really don't just record raw wave files normalize edit and and just process and post It's okay. It's so much easier to repeat the same settings correctly Especially with normalizing setting the levels helping you calibrate your levels not set your level, but Calibrate your level. It's so much easier If you do it on the way in you have to set your gain really you got to get you got to nail the gain Really accurately when you record through processing because if it's off the compression does weird stuff Whatever is going on there is not going to sound consistent. That's and that's harder to engineer that way Right and you want to sound as natural as possible. You know, that's why why you know We're always talking about mic technique and the fact that the mic should really be at about the height of your ears Or it's about you know upside down right have it at nose level Because that way that's how other people hear you and perceive you And and that's why we say do it that particular way Right, you know other people are you know, we we get we still get a lot of people talking to the wrong side of the mic Right and talking into the top of the mic, you know, but uh, you know if you use it right and you talk naturally Uh It your voice itself should carry it's not it's not the technology that gets you work It really is your ability to interpret copy right my my coach is always talking about it's the magician not the wand so It's a good way to play excellent excellent Thanks for joining us. Thanks guys. Love the love the show. Thanks. Thanks for listening Yeah, thanks for listening and thanks for watching and thanks for joining us. All right talks already Oh, okay. Well right now. Yeah. Well, we have we have a greeting from somebody who's been with us since before We started this Joining us. Uh, he's got a greeting from new york city. Well from connecticut actually Uh, unless he's in florida. I never know where john is. Anyway, john floriam. Let's hear from him Hi, everybody. Happy holidays from voiceover extra and special hats off to dan and george and happy holidays to you guys You know, without you guys being in this industry for so long We'd still be fumbling with microphones and interface settings and all kinds of stuff. Um, who knows where we'd be in our career Thank you very much for all you've done for us. Thank you everybody for your supported voiceover extra happy holidays And happy new year That's a class act john right there. Yeah, you know read voiceover extra I mean there's stuff in there. I mean george and I have webinars that are still sitting in there that you can purchase Yeah, some of it's everything It's we cover a lot of topics on there and there's a huge huge content on there You can search and find a lot of a lot of stuff on there. It's useful Yeah, not not just our stuff, but you know lots of articles and You know probably the the best online magazine for voiceover because it's got everything in there and it's anything that was in there Is still there So you could yeah, it's a good journal, you know, it's all there Absolutely, you know and he's been he's been sponsoring our show all this time and we really appreciate that Yeah, uh, let's see here. We have another question here from red cabin acoustic Red cabin acoustic. I wonder if they live in a red in a red cabin I don't know Uh, she they say he she it whatever I've heard that if it's not broke don't fix it But there always seems to be an emphasis on new plugins new computers How important do you think it is to be on the cutting edge with tech? It doesn't look like, you know, a harlan hogan vo1 a vo1 a Uh, you know, we were just saying you it's not the technology now. There's a lot of guys who push plugins I know george You've got your your stacks that you do for people for untwisted wave and and audacity and and and Adobe audition and the other ones But when it comes to these plugins, what are all these plugins for they're not for voiceover? You know All of this stuff every last bit of it. I see this every week was designed for making music So that david bowie rest his soul was you know, could manipulate things and and all the great music that we hear today Is manipulated by this But if you listen to voiceover on the radio or on commercials and certainly in just general narration You're not hearing any flanging Or you know, uh, that sort of thing. I mean people doubling and yeah, exactly or chorusing. Yeah Uh, most of the stuff is is not designed for voiceover And there are people who are saying gotta use this it's cheating as far as I'm concerned You know because for me it's acoustics mic technique and setting levels properly And if you've got those three things down, you don't need all of those other things Well, he says or he they say there always seems to be in an emphasis on new plugins and new computers Well, it's because there's a business that makes those things and you have to sell them. That's right So, well, you know when there's emphasis on it because you're watching reading and listening to all the marketing That's going on around that stuff and and now with youtube There's a tremendous number of youtubers who that's literally where they get their content Their content is from companies reaching out to them Sending them licenses actual equipment to Review so there's a never-ending firehose of new product that's being shoved down your throat is as a youtuber as you are You're watching youtube You know, so yeah, it's gonna feel that way it really is and it can Maybe that's why I've never pursued voiceover because I'm so hung up on the tech and the gear that that's a distraction I I don't know if I could ever focus Long enough on acting to be a successful voice actor It's just because the tech side of it is so enticing all the time Yeah, but if you're a nerd if you're one of those people that likes to play with this stuff That's fabulous, but it's got nothing to do with Interpreting copy and I think people need to Separate themselves from that until you actually understand what this stuff does And unless you're producing finished audio You know with music with the facts the stuff that all these producers do You really have no business playing with that stuff I mean a lot of people will use it to clean it up and you and I have talked about this There certainly are people that have to do stuff live and they've got to be able to have the front end to be quiet Uh for doing, you know source connect sessions or any remote sessions or what we're doing Or what we're doing, but we're not cleaning this up. Our audio is perfect. Anyway Shh, we won't say it's live broadcast so we can play with this stuff And george spends his time just thinking about how how we can play more with it. I know i'm never happy I'm never satisfied Just ask my girlfriend Um and in the second question I think he was actually referring to or they were referring to the mic you're using tonight noticing It's not the usual vo1a. Oh, it's too lazy to go plug it in You know this this this one is that this this is my custom built From mic parts.com Somebody who should be sponsoring us as well. If you're out there, you know who you are Um, this is a uh, well it used to be an mxl 2001. It was the first mic I bought back in 2001 It would became a donor body. They had new electronics for it and a k47 capsule and You know and you they give you great instructions on how to Sotter it all in and do it perfectly their hand-picked parts And you know you solder it all together and I plugged it in and I'm like holy crap. It works You know did it all work perfectly the first time or did you have to do some tweaks? It worked just fine That's awesome. And and it also has an omni switch in it. You got to take it apart There's a switch that will change the mode to to so it's a two capsule mic Or is it a one? It's a double-sided mic. Oh, okay You know, it's got it, you know the k47 is like that and uh, but it doesn't have a figure eight mode It does not have a cardioid and on me. Yeah, you know, so but as you can hear it sounds pretty good I've been using it. Yeah, of course. It's clean Uh, I remember there was a problem because I had it plugged into a my personus eureka which some people have And for some reason it just didn't work with that So I sent it back to them because they're like well now I have to get a eureka to test it to see why it's why it's doing that Yeah, yeah, uh, he would never was able to figure it out. So yeah, but I have it here on my desk, you know for teaching And you know when I'm like too lazy to go in the booth. I mean I could give you a tour in here, but you know It's not too messy You know, I Well, I can sit here because the acoustics in here are just as good Yeah, a bit a lot of work into that room make it sound good Exactly and so I can use it at the desk, but it also works great for you know, what we're doing our life It sounds great as well. Yeah, it sounds excellent. Are you are you running it right into the roadcaster? Just into the roadcaster and you know a little bit of Broadcast compression, but you know nothing nothing nothing too uh too drastic and you know It sounds the way it sounds, you know, this is what I sound like, you know when I'm this close to somebody Exactly. Yeah, you're in broadcast mode as I tend to be I always like find myself like right here I just can't I can't help it. It's part of it's from wearing headphones too Yeah, you're getting your feedback loop right and I and I don't wear headphones normally I mean when I'm recording it's I I'm you know, I'm naked Yeah, we're we're in broadcaster mode right now Exactly. Well, we have a greeting from one of our good friends and a guy who's been sponsoring us for a good long time Jay Michael Collins sent in a greeting. So, why don't we hear from him? Hi everybody, it's Jay Michael coming to you live from my midtown Manhattan Where we just had a great time at the voice arts awards last night I want to wish all of the veal body shop audience a wonderful happy holidays Merry Christmas, whatever you guys celebrate. Have a great holiday season. Stay safe. Stay healthy Take care of each other. Have a good time from myself from the entire jmc demos team And a big thank you and shout out as always to Dan and George for letting us be a part of the show Have a great holiday everybody Thanks, Jay Michael. Yeah, man class act Thank you just in new york with a bunch other other folks at that so vast show, right? Yeah, that's what I saw online. I'm I'm sure he won an award or two Sure. He took some home. Yeah Yeah Let's see here. We've got a question here. You want to get this one number six from jake thomas garner Who's listening watching on youtube? Sure. Must have a lot of sag actors tonight. They all have three names. Yeah It separates them from everybody else. Who has the same name another jake garner? Um, like our friend, uh, uh, david age laurence the 17th. You know why his last name? You know why he's a 17th because he's he's the 17th David age laurence and the sag roster or whatever that's why Um, yeah, anyway, sorry What's your view on weight times for microphones? Um, I can't get my hands On a sennheiser mkh 41 six or similar for a long time There's a nine week back order in australia. Ah australia I hear there is a silicon shortage or something There's shortages of labor shortages of raw materials. There's shortages of chips Uh, yeah, that that is that is the latest thing I've heard recently Is there's a shortage of the actual material that chips are made from the actual silicon wafer That everything is printed onto is there's a shortage in that so I mean talk about something that's in everything electronic. So, um, honestly Depending on where you are, I would find it hard to believe that you couldn't find one that's in relatively good condition used um But uh, that always comes with a price of not knowing, you know What kind of condition it's in until you get it? If you don't have somebody that you can trust that can test it with you or if you have another mic to compare to Um, if you buy something, you're not sure about you could always send a sound check or a specimen collection cup Sample to us and we'll tell you if it sounds the way it's supposed to sound because we've heard that mic a thousand times We know what it should sound like And we'll let you know if the mic you end up with is not on target Yeah, yeah, I've never heard a 416 sound muffled or anything like that Only after many years of use like just getting dirty and right scummy Um smoking before they you know, yeah, nobody does anymore, but you are in australia I mean if you can't get road mics something's really wrong. So yeah, really look into road ntg 5 Which is what I have right here That's a it's a very good alternative to a 41 6 we love saying 40. I that's a that's a that's a let me do on my other show Uh the 416, um the ntg 5 is pretty close Pretty close Um, so, you know, if you're looking for some alternatives, um, but wait times or what they they are what they are and Uh, you got to be resourceful these days Yeah, you know, I mean You know, it's like anything else everything's getting expensive because the supply chain has been, you know, knocked off Of course, we've solved the problem here at the lennard household. We just grow our own food Uh, you know for you lemon trees mandarin orange trees pomegranate trees lime trees So as we we came up with a really good thing in the beginning before the show It's like, you know, when life gives you produce Make juice The wife's making kombucha now and it's like in kombucha is expensive. So it's like just rinsed out the bottles and you know We'll make our own Good for her. That's awesome. Yeah, she's really bored Question yeah from steven blair. I currently have a blanket booth I'm sure it's keeping you nice and warm almost I'm building a four by six booth using daubox plans Double walled when I get to the point where I need to do treatment on the inside of the booth How should I best attack that? Well, there's no standard way to do that I mean, it's uh, I mean george, you're really the expert on small booth acoustics I mean, I've seen you present a paper at the national association of broadcasters So I don't have any proof that I did that but I was there. I was there and you were there I saw you I heard the whole thing I've googled my name and nab about a million different ways I've never found anything online to prove that I was there But yes, I just have to trust me on that I've fooled enough people to get to speak there But um, yeah, it does depend on the size of the room Are you sitting or standing how much base trapping will you need based and what kind of mic are you using? If you tune your space really really well, then you can use almost any mic if you're tuned not so great Using a shotgun mic or other mics that are more directional are going to let you cheat a little bit And get away with some less than ideal acoustics So also mic placement as we've talked about tonight being closer to the mic Let's you also deal with less than ideal acoustics It will kind of focus the lens on your on your on your face So to speak and kind of reject more of the background so but You know the the doll box plans if you're a good carpenter It's a good basis for building something but you you need to be a pretty good carpenter To build a good box from doll box plans. I mean, it's a guideline, but there's a lot to it I would not use two inch layer of foam on the walls like as usually suggested That's not gonna get you a really satisfactory result Just that just doesn't seem to cut it for really almost anybody. Yeah, we've and we've talked about this and that is You know, some people, you know, they they'll they don't know the equations involved in creating the right acoustical environment Especially in a small box and the fact is is you don't uh, you don't have to know that stuff You know, there are places, you know, I know that that orlex says this thing where it's like We'll give us the dimensions and we'll give you exactly how to do it You know, I'm so sure I'm convinced they know how to do it. Yeah I have to do I should do it like once a year get one of those things done and see How they've evolved their treatment recommendations. Yeah, the the thing is is you gotta use your ears And it helps to know what you're listening for And then once you do that You know, george and I have our services where if you send us a raw sample of your audio Uh, we will give it a listen and we'll be able to tell I mean we can generally tell the shape of the room How big it is, you know, if you're too close to the mic Where they're just more the glasses Yeah, all those sorts of things. Yeah, we can hear those things and and we can tell you You know and are you under a shelf? How many times have you asked that one george? Are you under a shelf? You know, is it a wire shelf or is it a wood shelf or something like that because that makes a that makes a huge difference and Those are the questions we ask and and we do ask questions when once we hear it It's like why is this although generally we know the answer before it gets Answered uh by by the client, but uh, I've got my specimen collection cup over at home voiceover studio dot com And george over at george d.tech. Is that right? You got it, man. He nailed it. All right You know go over to our websites check them out And you'll see, you know, you go to the scroll to the bottom of my home page You'll find the specimen collection cup We're in the process of reorganizing that and changing it, you know, you got to keep your your website up to date And You know, we'll listen and we'll give it a full analysis. I mean I've We have a process we have a thought process as to how we listen to it and we talked about it you know acoustics mic technique setting levels and just looking at waveforms listening to them We can tell what's going on of course the spectrograph Helps a whole lot because that tells us more than you know, you might not know you might normally not hear Anyway, I think we're gonna take another break right now. Listen to some of our sponsors And then if you've got a question or if you'd like to be on the show right now I know there's a lot of you watching this thing live Just type in, uh, you know, write to the guys at v obs dot tv get that trailer Get that little thing in there. No right. There it is Write to us and say I want to be on the show right now And we will send you the link and you can come join us here on uh on stream yard I'm watching the inbox. 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So anyway, we thank them so much And let's get back to more audience participation. Shall we right after this? Yeah, hi, this is Carlos Ellis Rocky the voice of Rocco and you're watching voiceover body shop And we're back And again, come on guys join us here on on the show It's there's there's not much to it if you want to show off your studio I mean, I love showing off my studio. So I'm going to do that right now Excellent. I mean, I mean it's it is what it is, but I can take the camera here And show you what goes on in here. You can see my humongous collection of Antique radios, which all work. Well, I can't wait till we can safely be in the studio again I know we're hanging out in here with us. Yeah, I mean so you can you can see all those And my my famous couch, which is where I end up napping an awful lot and you know, my my 1942 Zenith console radio here, which just plays off my iPad Which is kind of cool and my my booth over here Which if I can get over there's too many chairs in here. We got to get rid of some of the chairs This is uh This is my booth here, you know, it used to be a a drum isolation booth And we've converted it into strictly a voice of it with the Tara strong memorial chair even though Tara is Oh I love that you're going to use that chair now that chair is blessed man. I damn well better be. Yeah, that's right But you know, it's uh No, I'm honored that you let me have that now now the wife is getting me a new chair for here I'm getting an x chair and they ain't cheap But you know, it has a headrest it, you know, my my supports your spine, right? Yeah, so I'll sit up straight Yeah, you know, and it'll work better with the uh, you know with the the auto table thing where I can just press a button and you know You know, we haven't heard from From maybe furie for a long time who gave us this this desk Yeah, I was just looking at picture of anganguza studio. She has the exact same one I'm like, that's the cosco desk. I know that does. Yeah, it's a great desk You know, and it made a huge difference in here Jim edgar and the youtube chat said that that is an epic nap couch It is I think you may have bumped the middle slider on your camera the and it and it got darker I'll the middle little lever pull it. Uh, is it you mean like that? Yeah, there we go. Okay. Good. Good. Yeah Uh, yeah, you know the thing is is you know with because I can play anything through the radios here You know, I'm usually listening to radio paradise. Check it out Uh, and uh, you know, it's just a great napping place and now that I'm I'll be turning 65 a little later this week I'm entitled to naps Everybody should take naps. Well, it's not just for boomers. Yeah, well Yeah, you're not considered a boomer there my friend. You're I am by I am by my daughter I'm an accused of being a boomer Alrighty We we have somebody else who joins us, uh, you know, we know we see him in there a lot and ask questions And that's steven blare steven. Welcome to the show. Hi guys. Well, thank you and happy holidays to you. Can you hear me? We certainly can. All right. Excellent. Nice headphones. Uh, thank you. Thank you Uh, I really appreciate what you guys do every week and uh, and I watched your, uh Broadcast a couple weeks ago on the woevo and congratulations dan. Thank you. Uh, and uh, I'm certainly uh, gonna be joining I'm I have a I I'm not a pro yet working on that but uh, you know Pro at heart. Let's put it that way. Have you booked any work? Not yet. So I've I booked some work over the years. I've been doing this for a little bit of time So I've booked a video game and a couple of commercials and things like that But not good not steadily. So right I just got uh, a couple of demos made chuck diran made those so That should help. Yeah, so Uh, we're working on it and and hopefully getting there. I had the question on the da box I was the one that had the question on the da box I am a pretty good carpenter and I've got every I've got all all the walls except for the door wall It's a four by six and they only had A single layer of mdf. So what I did was I put took mdf. I made a sandwich mdf Uh, and then I put put two inches of the solid Uh, Owen's corning foam And then another layer of mdf on a half inch mdf So that's basically the the my walls and then outside on the outside of the walls I Did use the indoor outdoor carpet on the outside of the walls You made a composite wall Yes, exactly. Yeah, so uh, so on the interior, uh, are you do you suggest that I just experiment with different kinds of foam or Other treatments or blankets or anything like that and see what works when you're building something So customized with all this work you're putting into it Use it use nice stuff that looks nice and that you like to be around foam Foam I mean, there's some nice looking foam, but I don't think it holds up for the long long haul Okay, um, you get you especially in a really cramped space you're bumping into it You're rubbing it starts to kind of disintegrate fall apart over the years Um, and you need pretty thick foam that the two inch foam that's really commonly Sold in voiceover booths and stuff doesn't cut it because it can't really control much below a thousand hertz Okay, I remember a lot of the vocal range in in a male voice, especially Is between a hundred and a thousand or even lower, right? So Foam unless it's four inches thick or even more It doesn't really do much to control that. So, um, that's why we like the stuff made with rock wall Um, that's my favorite is rock wall now. You can get that stuff at Lowe's and home depot Rock will they sell a fireboard and what is the acoustic fireboard a fb or Safe and sound is that quiet rock quiet rock. There's also quiet rock. That's that's the dry sound is the the white fiberglass insulation Safe and sound is the yeah that grayish foam Not foamy. It's uh, it's made out of spun roll spun Mineral minerals it looks like fiberglass, but it's not Made of the same stuff. It's made out of it. It's just as bad. It's still Yeah, it's still can still ish um Yeah, so that's that's we find that pound for pound foot for foot you get much better performance out of it. So Yeah, and that's that's quite a rock. Yeah, and as you're building the quiet rock is the drywall Okay, this is stuff called this stuff's called rock wall rock wall and they have rock board And they have safe and sound that's the stuff that you're going to find it like a home depot probably a safe and sound Okay, what kind of a door are you putting on that both? Uh a solid core door Mm-hmm That's going to be your weakest point because unless you made your door the same way you made the walls Obviously, it's not going to have the same Right level of isolation But uh, yeah, I mean in most cases you're going to be okay If you have a lot of outside traffic you may find yourself Someday beefing up your door and actually building a composite door Oh, okay, do do they actually sandwich more than one material on the door to get that same isolation Yeah, yeah, I was thinking of maybe doing that anyway So you see if I could you know, maybe make it more more sound sound one of the one of the keys to getting the soundproofing Right is to go in there where it's where it's completely dark And closing the door if you see any light leaks That's a sound leak and you've got to seal that up with caulk or tighten the uh the actual panel So there everything is tight If you can if you can seal that up especially with the door and the door is Probably the most critical part Uh of building a booth because one, you know a solid core door a heavy door And the right seals around The uh the frame and so when you close it and it compresses it, you know You know, you you are in you are in a chamber that not going to move any air in or out unless you build a ventilation system into it And uh, you know, of course my favorite ventilation system is still Open the door or close the door or open the door or close the door Yeah, it's pretty as well Yeah, definitely definitely and and thank you also, uh, uh, george for uh for setting me up with the Source elements see you, uh, I watched your video and I got Downloaded it and everything was seamless when I did that. So I appreciate that you guys are really a wealth of knowledge And I appreciate everything you do and happy holidays to you guys. You are really Top-notch. I appreciate you. Thanks, even Greatly appreciate it Alrighty, well, we got a few more questions And again, if you want to be on the show, uh and ask your question or give us Unsolicited praise We'll be happy to get that george. I've got one that this this this I just this came up today on facebook. Okay, and Related to building booths and having iso booths This came up and I just thought it'll be a quick I would read through it quickly but it gets a little gets a little numbery, but it's worth it. I think Okay, um serena brook says okay. I'm finally ordering a studio bricks and here's my question Does anybody have the studio one in a finished attic bedroom? And has not had it collapse onto the floor below Yeah, it's not light is it? Yeah, I'm attempting to find out if it can hold this thousand pound booth safely Our finished basement ceiling is short. So we can't fit it in there What should I do? And a lot of people did chime in with some interesting info But until this one came up because I I mentioned you might want to hire a an acoust not acoustics engineer But a structural structural engineer right and mitch curtain william said I can tell you from having a having hired A structural engineer for this very same issue that you'll you'll want to hire a structural engineer He said it's going to depend on the pound of the Pounds per square feet and the size of the lumber used for your joists So as well as whether the joists are maxed out on span in other words, how long the joist runs across your house Um And all this kind of stuff so a structural engineer can look at all this stuff And give you an idea of what is safe and what isn't safe So the long and the short of it is if you're if you're uh floor joists are two by 12s And 12 inch on center meaning they're only 12 inches apart That's a very well built home. The floor is extremely strong You're not going to have to worry about it if it's anything less than that meaning the joists are further away from each other Width wise or they're not very thick Or they're extremely long or a combination of all those it is more of a concern So you might spend four to five hundred dollars on getting a structural engineer to do a report Um, it's a it's a bit of a cost, but it will take away that That anxiety that i'm sure you're experiencing Thinking about putting so much weight up there. It's like putting a waterbed in your attic A waterbed. Yeah, I mean I used to say like imagine having a party Could you have eight people standing around and talking and not have to worry about them falling full floor? Hopefully Oh, but an attic. Oh, I could tell you a story Oh, yeah, when I when I was in college back when dinosaurs don't tell me it was a balcony It wasn't a balcony, but it was we had a fraternity house and on the second floor of this house They were doing that shout dance and we were sitting, you know in the dining room downstairs And the floor started going like that Make you want a shout From the animal house it was well, that's when animal house was a fairly new film Um, give you an idea how long go away. Yeah, uh, but uh, yeah, that's You got to make sure that you know that the the attic will support it Having done some work on roofs in this house of a couple of times over the last few years and What it takes to get it structurally sound. Yeah, I mean you've got to have A heavy joist in there and stuff like that and the heaviest part of that booth is the door That thing weighs a ton. You have to have an honor guard take that from the crate to the to the booth It is hefty. Yeah, but it's good, but that's what makes it sound proof It's a good heavy door with an amazing seal. Absolutely Alrighty, we got lots or one more questions. No, we're out of spots for now Let's get some more questions in here because this is what makes it happen. Um, Let's see, uh, let's see here. Uh, oh, yeah, David burn asks, Merry Christmas guys Merry Christmas. I'm not a pro yet yet. Love the show Hey, is there the third party apps plugins catching up with the m1 chip? Uh, isotope like isotope nine and uad plugins are the plugins catching up to m1 Slowly. Yeah, why why are you using them? Yeah, I think next year, um, they'll be up to speed I think the reason it takes so long is plugins. I guess I'm not a software engineer. I don't know what I'm talking about really, but I think they're complicated to write To write them well and they probably are very tied into this to the processor that they're working on, you know, they have to have a very Very, very efficient way of communicating with the processor If they don't then they add a lot more latency, right, and they don't work well So for that reason, it's probably harder to Rewrite the code from scratch to run on these new chips. Thankfully max a thing called rosetta Which translates the two languages is extremely efficient and works fantastic So the very first time you launch an app on your mac that is not Compiled for silicon mac It says, hey, you need to install rosetta you do it once and that's it now rosetta is on your machine when you launch something that has Uh, it's an intel written program like Like uh, isotope still is Um, and a bunch of others it will automatically when you launch it transcode it or translate it to this other Compiled language. I'm talking like an idiot because I don't really I'm not software engineer. We know it works But we know it works and it works seamlessly. It really it you just never even think about it ever again Um, you just launch your DAW whether it's audition or twisted wave or whatever in rosetta mode And uh, you're off to the races and you never have to really worry about it So I wouldn't be too concerned. Uh, whether they're caught up in it yet or not We've been using them all year With uh, nary an issue I haven't really it as long as they're in rosetta mode. Everything seems to be, um, hunky dory Cool. All right. Uh, j. Horace black had a follow-up question Is how do you feel about the added ports on the 14 and 15 6? And 14 and 16 inch m1 macbook pros. Hopefully this means the next series of laptops come with more ports Don't count. Yeah, pros will come with More ports, but that's a lot of money to spend just to add a few more ports I mean, I I it is annoying that it only has two usb ports on the air I I do I wish I had a dedicated charging port They're gonna redesign the macbook airs next year and I I would be I would be shocked if they didn't had the The mag safe connector back on yeah, but to me, it's just like I looked at it I was very excited. I watched the new keynote when it came out. I was I literally had it in my shopping cart I was real close to buying it and I thought about it. I was like it's so much more money It's a bigger thicker computer Just to add a few ports that I I have I still have to use a hub even if I got that computer There's no usb a ports on there the ones that most of our Accessories use there's only usb-c. So you'd still need a hub For certain things and I was like, I don't know just to me not really worth it The the added cost well you told me to get the the 10 port Thing that plugs into the usb how many of them are using at least let's see here Five yeah about half of them. Yeah, yeah, so I have room to expand And you will I mean I'm still using I've got I'm usb everything. I got usb keyboard. I'm even plugging in my my Touchpad with usb. I can't quite get in the shot, but you see it's plugged in Yeah, I leave it plugged in all the time because I like it to always work Well, I hate it when it doesn't the battery goes dead I mean the battery on my magic mouse tends to last at least a month You know, yeah, they do last a long time, but when it goes dead at the most inconvenient time Well, of course, which is why I keep A wired mouse plugged in at all times. I used to do the same thing I had a wired mouse at the ready all the time. Yeah, so before you know you're using a lot of ports Yeah, yeah, so I I um if you do get something you're gonna need a hub I would recommend if you're really going if you want something really heavy-duty that can run everything look at the owc stuff other world computing brand They've been one of the most trusted peripheral Provider manufacturers, you know for max stuff for a really really long time. I have an owc thunderbolt 3 hub that has a whole bunch of stuff plugged into it and It's been it's been reliable. I had a usb hub that was not reliable. I had to get rid of that It was it was giving it was giving me kittens That you know that can really be frustrating. So be careful what you buy When you're buying hubs, absolutely, you know, well, this one works great. It was seamless, you know, and then in a run a b c You know any usb that you know that you want on there, which is really really kind of nice Uh patricia andrea Who is living out in the wilds of idaho? I think uh wherever she is. She's I have a little question I have some custom made sound panels from a musician that was moving and sold me all 12 for a great price Can't beat that would like to change the color of the fabrics He used rockwell inside the wood frames. Would you recommend any specific outer fabric? Breedable fabric. Yeah, you know not canvas. Yeah, something that's going to uh, you know, let sound through Yeah, you should be breathable. You should be able to see light through it Like if you hold up the fabric and you can see light through quite easily That's going to be good acoustic fabric too Yeah, so uh, yeah, and you don't even have to take what's on there off. You could just leave Leave them wrapped and wrap just wrap right over. Yeah, that's fine, too Don't go through the mess of taking it off. Plus if you take it off, you're now exposing yourself to whatever Well with rock wool or whatever is in there and so if you leave what's on there on there Everything stays sealed up inside. You don't have to worry about it. So I would definitely leave What's there there? Yeah, I mean unless of course they're you know, I mean I guess they must be plaid or something and that just doesn't work in her Weirds color or have stains or something I mean, I I don't blame you if you want to take it off. You just you're just inviting yourself You just give me yourself a lot more work A lot more work to to re Refabric them or reupholster them just wrap right over The old stuff Jim says Guilford of Maine stuff. Guilford of Maine is a manufacturer of fabrics Um, they're really nice. They're about 15 something dollars a yard So they're they're quite expensive. Um, but they look really really nice Yeah, you know, it's always fun going into joanne fabrics and trying to find the right Fabric well, you know for a radio. I'm trying to find replacement speaker covers and stuff like oh, yeah You know, and it's like oh here we go. Yeah, that'll work. Yeah Anyhow, uh question from phyllis fort Uh, what mic might you suggest for her blanket booth with no roof? I still manage an average of minus 60 to minus 67 db Well, that remains to be seen. I mean it might be that low But you know, we don't see how big the waveform is and you know and how well you're modulating or what mic you're currently using And what mic are you currently using? I mean, yeah, and you can use almost any mic in a blanket booth With no roof as long as your room is still quiet that you're in You know, you should be okay as long as it's tall enough It should be the walls should be at least a foot over your head Like if you can peer over the side, it's not tall enough So it's got to be of higher than you at least a foot but You know, I I tend to really kind of hammer on the whole shotgun mic thing for home studios because they just seem to help In a lot of cases focus the mic pickup and reject more background noise But honestly almost any good condenser $100 plus quality condenser microphone. It's going to sound pretty good. Um I'm not that happy about the 2020 the the bass model audio technica I know that's a a lot of people think that's a good beginner mic. It's a little noisy. Yeah, it's a little noisy Yeah, because it's a smaller diaphragm. It's a it's a lower end capsule But just a little more $50 more the at 2035 35. Yeah, it's amazing value and they've been making them a long time This is the 30 30 35 dan. You still have one of these probably sitting right over here somewhere And it's still a great mic. They just renamed it from the 30 25 to the 30 35 to the 20 35 But it's still a fantastic sounding mic Yeah, well the capsule in the 35 is is a much better capsule than what's in the 2020s 2020 is almost like a you know A rural radio check, uh, electric condenser mic. It's actually a small diaphragm in there. Yeah, it's pretty small It looks it looks physically like this, but if you shine a light and look in the grill, there's a little Tiny little diaphragm in there Exactly. Yeah, but you know If you've got if you're in a quiet room and this is the best part of all this is If you have a quiet quiet room that you can seal off Uh, and you don't have lots of traffic noise or people running around the house or whatever You can build a blanket booth and they work fabulous Uh, I have found that outbuildings like if you have a tough shed or something like that If you can abscond with that You can build a blanket booth in that and you're going to sound as good as any studio anywhere Except when a you know an LA police helicopter goes over Some of the military stuff we've been having flying over here lately, but yeah, yeah, you know like an osprey goes by You know it Oh, those things are super loud Oh my gosh I want an osprey Proof booth, please. Well, that'll be a million dollars. Thank you. Absolutely It's another one. I just slipped in there. So we grabbed that one before yeah from tj mesac capo voiceover Hey, george and dan first time catching this live. All right, right on quick question What are your thoughts on vocal booth to go? Well, there's a lot to that. I mean they make a lot of different stuff Huge range of stuff. Yeah, I mean they make the you know, their travel booth Which is which is pretty good. It folds down and lovo Yeah, the yeah, there's the uh, you know the shower curtain Booths that they make Which are when it hangs from the ceiling. Yeah hangs with the you know, just put a shower curtain hanger up there and Seventh circuit see I've always believed that a circular booth is probably the best booth with a blanket Yeah, right and they make different size booths With different size frames and stuff like that. I know for a fact the the blankets they make are fabulous for preventing reflection Yeah, they really absorb sound nicely. They're not soundproof, but they do right absorb They do have some very very heavy ones that have a more of a soundproofing property Yeah, they help but they're If you get into those really higher high cost ones that the ones that have more isolation You're getting the pricing gets out there quickly and I think for what you might spend you might be better off building something or Finding a used, you know, whisper room or something else and get you'll get better results. I think but yeah creative You know, I give them props for you know iterating and improving and coming up with new ideas, you know, honestly The the design inspired in some ways the tri booth because we wanted something when Rick Wasserman and I came up with tri booth We wanted something that could just fold down and be more Just way more travel friendly That you could still stand inside of right so, you know, it's just we made it a triangle shape because It was just more efficient like you can Fit it into a smaller bag, you know, and it was it just made sense um, but uh, yeah, there's Nothing wrong. I don't think there's anything wrong with any of the Booth products that uh, they're making over there. They're they're stuff's good in good service Yeah, you know and their stuff is really is really sort of oriented towards voiceover as opposed to Musicians and stuff like that. I mean they can they can use it Musicians really do need the soundproofing. I mean so do voice actors, but Because of the different size booths they have and stuff. It's it's actually pretty good stuff You know and and of course, you know, harlan hogan has all of his stuff You know the the portaboo they want really puzzle. Yeah portaboo super portal. Yeah, that's my favorite ultimate compact portable Product that actually works. Yeah, that sounds good. It's not super bulky. You can still Put it in a suitcase or carry it with you. It's not that heavy It'll fit me in the uh, the uh, they will fit me. Yeah, it will fit in the overhead Storage compartment. There's not a lot of portable things that do Fit in the store overhead storage Right and and light enough that you can pull it out of there and defend yourself from anybody who gets a Bowie on a flight see I'm flying on Wednesday. Don't just hide in the corner. I'm just gonna ring my red thong and I'll be good Okay No, I missed that jackass This guy wore a red thong on the plane. Oh, that's a statement piece Yeah Hey, you know, there's somebody who I would love to have you say hello Have us say hello to you and that's our technical director sumer lino Who is here every week? And she puts up with us and she gets it done So put yourself on here and at least say hi so everybody can see and she's funny. Yeah, she's a really funny gal Say something funny to myself Well, I do have my funny sander hat I'll do something funny. There you go. There you go. That works If I was still doing a stand-up I tell everybody we're gonna come watch me, but that's not happening Now you're too busy producing podcasts. Yeah. Yeah, I do have a lot of podcasts So one that I'm on that's kind of funny is the world famous shit show with my partner josh and I also do one called menopod for winning over certain age And it's the name. I mean we just kind of do it because it's a great name, but yeah And you're probably helping people. Yeah, we try we try we um, is it a call-in show? Or do you guys just run with topics? We do have some live ones like on facebook with our we have a midlife mood swing facebook group of a thousand women um, so we interact with um, those women and have them sending questions and stuff like that, but yeah, it's a lot of fun Fabulous, but I love working with you guys. I've been doing this now for what's it gonna be? Three four three or four years at least I think four. Yeah, wow. So I look forward to my monday And every other monday nights working with you guys and you I've learned so much about voiceover Even though I don't do anything Hopefully we've made it easier on you with our new system. The old one was mind mind-numbingly Frustrating at times it was fun learning new things. So I do appreciate that. Yeah, it helps you appreciate Where you you need to start with something hard and then move to something easier to really appreciate Exactly Well stream yard was a blessing I guess um to be able to do remote when we can and um when we need to Yeah, a little bit longer. Maybe a few more months. I guess, huh? We'll see. Yeah, we'll see Yeah, I mean it was fascinating when of course when the pandemic hit and we couldn't do the show together That we were still able to carry on from wherever we were and just do the show stream yard really helped out Helped us doing that of course for a while. We were doing it and trying to figure out The talkback system that george figured out so you could talk to us on zoom while we were on stream yard Not really necessary anymore. Yeah, because you just had to be more confused Well, and I kept saying things in the background that would make you laugh I think maybe You guys wanted that to stop Yeah Oh, and there's josh say hi josh Love the show. Thank you. We we appreciate having you Uh, anyway, thanks for everything you've been doing. This is you know, we couldn't do the show without you because we've tried it And george and I fight over the switcher Well, I know my son matt hat likes to help out as well Absolutely, absolutely. Yeah, I appreciate the team Yeah, but you know, and then we end up fighting over this stuff and this stuff and this stuff and this stuff and that stuff I still like to slice down the middle. Yeah, you mean you this one. We're all like like that Anyway, so give me an idea of how easy it is to do things now with this show So it just relies on us being funny and being informative, which I really appreciate and hopefully being accurate from time to time Yeah We try to be anyway So thanks. Thanks for doing this with us. We really appreciate it. Thank you holidays. Thanks. Alrighty and mary christmas and all that stuff Uh, let's see. Do we have any more questions? Not that I really see run through the queue? No, I don't see any more questions But you know in this one Amazingly that we were able to carry off a show for this long But you know, we do have a lot of people to thank now next week on this show Uh We're not gonna do tech. I mean, we've been doing tech talk for the last hour and a half here. So exactly We'll just call this tech talk number 70 How does that sound? Yeah, that sounds good to me. Okay. We'll just run tech talks number 70 for the next two weeks Because we need to take some time off and spend time with our families Especially on monday nights when I'm like, why aren't you gonna be done? Can I make dinner now? You know, we're doing a tv show here for crying out. This is important Marcy's Marcy and your family have been really patient. We they let us take over the house take over Your the whole guest house the whole thing we've taken over Yeah a lot. So we appreciate it for 10 and a half years. 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So if you go over to via My own website is George the dot tech And uh in in the uh resources there the free stuff, you'll see the blog it's slash eldo blog Why eldo blog you're wondering because that's the original name of my company eldorado recording services way back in the day Um, and you'll see a bunch of content on there I fill it in when I have time and when I find something worth commenting on and uh, hopefully you'll learn learn a little something and create this repository of knowledge Uh that you can check in on whenever you whenever you like The blog is alive again. You'll notice that george and I have not written a book That's right. Nor do we ever intend to but if I do it might have a cover something like Books I mean, I don't know. I mean, I know I've many people have mentioned books It's I think it's a little bit of a vanity thing. I don't know Yes, it can be there are certain concepts that are evergreen, you know, mic technique and You know sound the acoustics of sound and things like that But there's so much stuff that is evolving and a book can be outdated kind of quickly you can't hear a book I might just be like pictures might each page might just be a qr code Open the book Next page another qr code. I don't know if people would like that Somehow it just doesn't doesn't have the market ability. I know although I'm sure there's someone who would find that Fascinating somebody. Yeah, you know, but we've got all the webinars if you go to voice over extra We've got webinars there george, you know, you're starting to produce your own webinars I might do a few new ones this year, you know, maybe a little bit more video haven't done a whole lot in the last You know, I I have other responsibilities now as president of woevo. Yes. Yeah, I don't have more on her plates So Well, anyway, I won't get to be there for your birthday, man. So I'm gonna wish you now Happy birthday. Well, thank you. Yeah, so I'm gonna miss it. Well, but um Well, see you next year You'll be here in spirit and you and you and you miss all the fresh fruit And people are gonna come to this we're gonna hopefully have a party and people can just pick fruit off the trees And throw them in their drinks or whatever at least I love it Yeah, uh and if you want to work with me by the way, uh And you uh, you need help with your home voiceover studio Clearly if you've been watching for the last hour and a half, you know that we may actually know what we're talking about Uh, when it comes to home voiceover studios and that's the name of my website home voiceover studio dot com Uh, you know, I have my specimen collection cup If you just scroll all the way to bottom of the home page for now, it's going to be higher up later on Uh for 25 I will analyze your raw Audio, uh and hear what you're what's going on in your booth Where are you recording? Is it too noisy? Is it too dead? Is it too lively? Is it too muffled? Is it Does it sound does it have the ring of truth? And uh, I will I will not hold back and I will tell you exactly, you know, what needs to be done there unless There's a lot a what you gotta give it the whistle test the whistle test what it's supposed to sound like Exactly, so we'll we'll do that so you can find that stuff there and george you have the same thing over at your website You just don't use the specimen collection cup. No, I wasn't that clever I'm just my my my service is just called soundcheck and you can get that at george the dot tech And uh same idea. I'll analyze your audio if you did process the audio Let me know don't try to fool me don't process it and then say you didn't because I'll know Yeah, um, but if you want me to also evaluate the processing that you're trying to do I'll I will listen to it and if the editing is funky. I'll even mention that like if your editing is funky I'll call it out because uh, some people don't know they shouldn't be chopping out every single pause Between every word so they sound like an android. Yes. I mean we we have ai voices to do that. It's right It's right. I think we need to do a show on ai voices and you know and and do the whole thing as ai voice And sound like this and you know If you want to hear a very long discussion about deep breath thing We just did a podcast recording for the pro audio suite podcast where we interviewed Marylin whizner about that whole topic And we covered it ad nauseam. We covered it very very thoroughly. So did anybody breathe during it though? That's a good point Yeah, if you were to hear of someone who it really Is coming from a point of authority On what gets casted and what you end up getting hearing on commercial It's her so Absolutely All right holidays dan. It's been a heck of a year Merry christmas and and happy new year and of course my greetings to your family back in philadelphia or Thank you wherever it is outside of philadelphia that you're westchester westchester. Yeah Say hello to all them and give everybody a hug for me and uh And and you know, I wish I could give you all a hug too for joining us here and on voiceover body shop is We finish out 20 21 Virtual hug But have a have yourself a really nice holiday season be safe wear your mask indoors Get vaccinated, you know, whatever you know, you don't want to like me because you don't want to be vaccinated fine But get vaccinated it works because I haven't gotten sick and you know In neither of you. Well, you you think you probably had it like in 2019 when you think I was an early adopter Honestly, yeah, so you're you weren't gonna get it anyway. Well, we'll see. 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Yeah, of course sumer lino doing a fantastic job of Switching this and and you know again putting up with us over an hour and a half here to almost two hours Uh, do yeah, it's Amazing that, you know, we're able to get somebody of that quality and and uh and dedication to what we do here Yeah, we really do appreciate it So, uh, you know our more virtual hugs out there uh, and of course Lee penny just for being lee penny. I know he's hiding out there somewhere You know, you're like, who's lee penny? We'll just let you keep guessing Anyway, that's going to do it for us for 2021 and thanks for joining us And thanks for coming on the show our guests that decided to be you know fearless and face them You know face the the the home studio masters here and uh, You know, I'll tell you what it's not an easy business. There's a lot to learn 2022 is going to be just as challenging as 2021 This is an entrepreneurial business. It's not show business I hear it show business But it's it's really is work and you have to be good at a lot of different things And that's what we're here to teach you about is really what it takes to be a great voice actor Any successful professional voice actor? So with that in mind Merry Christmas. Happy new year. I'm dan Leonard and i'm george wittem and this is voiceover body shop or vo bs Hey, have a great year everybody and you know, and if it sounds good It is good. Alrighty. Take care Oh