 All right, you're live. Great. Welcome everyone to the June 4th, 2020 Historic Preservation Commission meeting. This is our first meeting since I think January. And so this is actually the first meeting that I am officially chairing and we do have some new commissioners and just to make it more fun, we obviously have all this technology. So obviously hopefully patience with everyone and we can get through this. Susan, did you want to address exactly how we should be dealing with the public invited to be heard or do I just deal with that? Is there's a note about the streaming and addressing everyone? Are we live streaming or is that still? Yep, we're live streaming and I've got your instructions on the screen for everyone to see. The public can call in at the appropriate times during the meeting, so go ahead. Okay, great. And so I will, I'll repeat some of this information as well when the time is appropriate, but we will be posting this information up on the screen for anyone to call in. Again, patience will be appreciated. So these meetings are being held remotely due to the governor's safer at home order. It went into effect on April 27th. You can watch the meeting live stream on YouTube and the city's channel or on longmontpublicmedia.org. Okay, so at this point, we will call roll. Okay, commissioner carpenter. Mayor. Commissioner Hardee's. Here. Commissioner Gaiu. Here. Commissioner Lane. Here. Commissioner Norton. Here. Commissioner Goon. Here. Commissioner Bagwell. Can she hear me? Commissioner Bagwell. Here. Oh, thanks. Commissioner Sibley. Here. Council member Rodriguez. Here. Thank you, everyone. Great. So our next meeting agenda item number two would be approval of the January 2020 minutes. I make a motion to approve the January 2020 minutes. Second. Okay, so I have a motion and a second. Maria, do we have, do we have who that was? Yes, I do. Okay. Thank you. All right. Okay, we have a motion and a second. So all in favor of approving the January minutes, please say aye and raise your hand. Keep it up there a little bit so everybody can get the time to record. Maria, you let us, any opposed? None. Motion carries unanimously. So item number three is report from the chair. So this is where we'll get in a little bit more to the public invited to be heard. So anyone that wishes to speak during public invited to be heard or during public hearing, which is basically item five that would be any topics that are not on the agenda. You would need to watch the live stream of the meeting. And these, when that time comes, these instructions will pop up on the screen. Comments will be limited to three minutes per person. Each speaker will be asked to state their name and address for the record prior to proceeding with their comments. And please remember to mute the live stream and we are called upon to speak so that we don't get echo. All right. If there are any troubles, do we, do I, Susan, do you want me to give out this phone number here for anybody to jump if there are issues? No, they should have received that privately via an email. Okay, perfect. Yeah, you can reach out to, I believe it's Maria or Jade or via email to all of us on staff here. Okay, great. All right, so item number four is communications from our HPC staff liaison. All right, hello commissioners and council member Rodriguez. It's nice to virtually meet you all. I'm sure you're aware that Karen Bryant is no longer with the city and I'll be taking over as the liaison. Just a few things since your last January meeting, we've given out two administrative COAs, one for 250 Kimbark for a heat pump and one for a new sign at the Dickens Opera House which if you've been downtown you might have seen already in place. The sign was just to replace the old Tavern sign. My last note is that previously we decided to host the July meeting on July 9th instead of the second given the fourth of July holiday. So from what I know we will be having this meeting I've received an application already and as of today it should still be on Zoom. So that's all I have for you. Okay, thank you. Okay, so item number five is our public invited to be heard. So this is if there's anyone out there in the audience that would, in the virtual audience that would like to speak on a topic that is not on the agenda. So we'll have the communication information up on the screen and we'll all sit here for a few minutes to see if there is in fact anyone wishing to speak to an alternate item. Susan, you'll just tell us when you're reasonably sure that no one is out there. Yes, mayor. Sorry, chair. Chair, just chair. Getting my meetings confused there. Yes, we've got a couple of viewers. I know I am one of them so I don't know if other staff are also viewers or if we actually have the public. So we'll give them say three or four minutes here to see the information because there is a slight delay in the stream anytime I display something. Chair, that's been a little bit longer than three minutes. So I will leave the room unlocked for just another 30 seconds until my slide disappears from the live stream. And I do not see anyone that has called in yet. Okay. Okay. Will, it's fairly rare for people to just come to the HPC. So I think we'll move on to item number six A under new business, which would be a state income tax credit application for 917 Fourth Avenue. So Ms. Kruber, do you have a staff presentation for us? Yes, I'm happy to give an overview. So 917 Fourth Avenue is a bungalow style home built in 1912. The work that Mr. Pillar is proposing is fixing the garage door and the metal supporting the door broke this past February and he fixed it immediately after and then he was wanting to start repainting the exterior of his home. And I believe the date for repainting was supposed to start on May 15th and be done by the end of May. So this is completed work. The home is more than 50 years old and is of course part of the historic Westside district. So it was listed in 1987. I, in my staff recommendation, I approve or I recommend approval of the preliminary state income tax credit for both parts of the work. Upon further research though, I found that the garage was not added to the home until 1995, which therefore would make the work on the garage not eligible for the tax credit. So I would still recommend the credit for the painting of the home, but not for the garage door. Okay, great. Do any of the commissioners have a question for staff? I do. It was my understanding that painting alone might not be applicable for state tax credit that it only if painting was done in conjunction with repair or replacement of siding or something of that nature. That was not my understanding. And perhaps I misunderstood that though. I'm happy to ask History Colorado and confirm that there does not need to be any addition with that. Yeah, I would recommend asking the tax credit staff liaison at History Colorado. I believe there is also a financial consideration. I think they have to spend a certain amount and above $5,000 in order to make sure it meets that tax credit. So I would double check with Joseph Saldibar at History Colorado. That is correct. There is an amount that you need to surpass in order to be eligible. So I do need to confirm that without the garage that the painting would still be eligible in addition to confirming that. Commissioner Bagwell. Commissioner, one moment you need to unmute. Point of clarification for staff. In the past, we've overridden it several times, but in the past, we usually ask the applicant, they need permission from us first before they actually do the work and receive the tax credit. And that usually, then those problems are resolved before before they actually do the work. Thank you for that clarification, Commissioner. I believe that the reason the work went ahead of when the garage needed to be fixed because it was not operating as functional and the painting, given the time of COVID and the pandemic, it's been challenging to get people to do any kind of work and scheduling has been a challenge. Understand, thank you. And the paperwork actually says the repainting is 10,500, so I think we're above the 5,000 there. Okay, we can certainly discuss this further as we move on, but I think it might be appropriate for us to take any information or presentation from the applicant. Who's gonna get that set up? Neil, can you unmute yourself and turn your camera on? There you go. Can you turn your camera on, sir? Fine, yeah, very good thing. Ugh. It's all right, sir, if you can't find it, because it looks like the camera is active, but it's black, so you may have told your system not to use your camera, so if you wanna go ahead. I'm not very good looking anyway, so. It's all right, sir. But as far as the painting's concerned, we just have it under contract, it has not been started or completed. Will people hear me? Yes. So, okay, are there any commissioners that have a question for the applicants? Chair, I see none. Okay, thank you. Okay, then I think we will move into the public hearing stage of this application, so if there's anybody out there that would like to speak to this application, we'll now open up the public hearing portion of this meeting and again, appreciate your patience, but the instructions will pop up on the screen and then go ahead and call in if you'd like to speak about the application. Chair, it's been a couple of minutes and I see no one has entered our waiting area. Okay, well, then at this point, we will close the public hearing. I have a couple of thoughts or questions, but I'd like to hear from, if there are any other thoughts, statements, discussion items from commissioners. I don't see anybody. So, my only question, I don't necessarily have a problem with the tax credit, and I think that we ought to be able to make it conditional upon it actually complying with state guidelines. My only question would be, if the painting hasn't been done, then the paint colors that are on the house are obviously not the intended colors and I don't believe that there were intended colors submitted as part of the package. And I would feel more comfortable if we were approving a tax credit application that had proposed colors in them so that we were pretty sure that we weren't improving an application that was gonna paint them bronco blue and orange or something, not that that would be, not that I'm suggesting you're doing that. However, do you have the colors selected and can those be shared with staff, Mr. Cohen? Chair, it looks like another person needs to be admitted from the family there, so I'm gonna do that. They may be having audio technical difficulties here. Okay. We'll give Cindy just a minute here to get connected. Cindy, can you hear us? I can. Okay. Did one of you wanna respond to the chair? Here you go. You might be able to see us now. Yes, we submitted pictures of the house with the application. The house is gray with white and green trim and we're keeping the same colors. Okay. Well, I did go swing by the house because the application had, or at least the R copy of the application looked like mostly black and white pictures, but if it's just a question of keeping the same colors, I don't have an issue with that too. Yeah, no changes. Okay, wonderful. Well, then it would appear that we'd be ready for a motion. Again, I think it might be wise if that motion included some language about this being conditional upon state's approval of a tax-graded application for painting. Anyone have a commissioner that would propose a motion? I'm happy to propose that motion since I'm the one who brought it up in the first place. And I do have the Colorado revised statutes up on this. And when it talks about exterior work, it does not talk about painting, but I would prefer to have some confirmation one way or the other on that. So I make the motion that we would approve this if it meets state statute and is confirmed by History Colorado staff. I have a motion. Do I have a second? I'll second that. Okay, we have a motion on the floor and a second all in favor of approving conditionally the application for, let's get the address created. 917 Fourth Avenue for the house only, correct? Then please raise your hand and say aye. Aye. I'll get them up there for a minute. Any opposed? Nope, so it looks like we have a motion carried unanimously. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Bill. Neal, we're gonna let you stay if you'd like to continue if you just wanna mute yourself and hide your camera. That would be fine or you're welcome to leave the meeting. Okay, we'll probably leave the meeting. Okay, thank you. Thank you. Okay, so the next item on our agenda is item 6B, a certificate of appropriateness for 1,005 Third Avenue. Again, Ms. Kruger, do you have a staff presentation for us? Yes, I'm happy to give an overview. So this was a home that Kistler Gunning House was designated in 1995. The applicant submitted their narrative saying that after the last hail storm, there was quite a bit of damage done to the roof so it needs to be replaced. In addition, they'd like to repaint a few areas and also fix some of the downspouts. So as you can see, he's submitted really great images of where all the painting will be done, where all of the downspouts and gutters will go and I believe on page 41 of your packet is the photo report. So all the colors are supposed to match and all of the work should preserve historic character. Nothing will change. Okay, thank you. Do any of the commissioners have a question for staff? Commissioner Bagwell. Is this in preparation for a tax credit application? From my knowledge and discussions with the applicants, most of the fixing will be covered by insurance so they're not seeking a tax credit application. Thank you. Any other questions for staff? Commissioner Ardyce. Yeah, in a couple of the photos, there's some fairly noticeable stair step cracks in the brick. I just wondered, is that being dressed in this application in any way or just dealing with the re-roofing and the painting associated with it? Those cracks in the brick were not brought forward by the applicant at this time. Okay, Commissioner Bagwell, did you have any more questions or no? No, thank you. If we don't have any more questions for staff, we'll give the applicant an opportunity to present any information that they would like to. I think the certificate of appropriateness pretty much says it all. We were instigated to do this because there are chunks, approximately one inch large chunks of the roof falling into our breakfast area on our porch. So I'm fairly convinced of the soundness of the plan. Now, the original shingle will have to be taken off because in order to do code, we're told that you have to do a single layer of the new tar tile. So we're following the company's recommended procedures and I understand the companies that do this work, their procedures are aligned with the procedures that are already pre-approved in the workflow here. So that's the roof. And then all of the rest of the work is sort of cascading from the roof. The soffits and the downspouts and the gutters all are consistent, will need to be taken out and put back in. And so that's why we're redoing those. And yes, insurance does pay for everything except for the deductible. So everything is sorted financially. Great, thank you. Are there any questions for the applicant by, for many of our commissioners? I don't see anyone. All right, thank you, sir. So at this point, we will again, open up the public hearing portion of the meeting for anyone outside that would like to speak on this particular topic. So again, the instructions are on the screen and we will wait around for a few more minutes and to see if there's anyone that would like to speak regarding this application. Chair, there are no individuals or guests in our waiting area. So I would say we'll give it just a couple seconds here for the slide to disappear from the live stream and then you can begin. Okay, great, thank you. Okay, we will close the public hearing portion. Is there any further discussion or comments from our commissioners? I don't see anyone and so I would entertain the motion. Commissioner Bagwell, your mic. Thank you. I move approval of the certificate of appropriateness for 1005 Third Avenue, the Kistler Gunning House. As proposed. I have a second. Second. Second by Commissioner Harding's. All right, all in favor. If you can raise your hand and say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? None. So again, our motion carries unanimously. Thank you, sir. May I have one final question? Absolutely. So now that the certificate of appropriateness is approved, do I need to do anything further to initiate work? I need a copy of that or posted or are there any procedures or is this a sort of, is this the trigger point right here? Ms. Krug, could you respond to that please? Hi, Matthew. Once we have everything finalized, we'll send you the formal document with signatures for the COA and then you're free to initiate work as soon as you have that. Okay, so if I schedule work to begin in say 10 days, is that a reasonable approach? Yes, I can get you the document in time. Great, thank you. Okay, well, we will move on to item number seven, our information and discussion items. According to the agenda, we have a presentation by Ms. Erica Dubick, Preservation Planner History, Colorado. Welcome. Thank you. How is everyone doing this evening? So Jade asked me to come and talk to you guys about tax credits for a couple of reasons, just to give you this brief overview of the program, the different types of credits and the ins and outs of them. Also to, I think we've had some discussions about whether or not Longmont wants to continue reviewing tax credits locally. So that decision is up to your city council, but obviously they would, I think, take a recommendation from you as the Preservation Commission. So I'm just gonna go through this really quickly. I should also mention that I'm also at this meeting for your quadrennial evaluation. So fortunately you guys had two public hearings, so that was easy and already done. So I'll get together with Jade after this and we'll have a discussion and hopefully get you guys your evaluation completed soon as well. So let's go ahead to the next slide. So hopefully you guys are already familiar with what a rehabilitation tax credit is. So it's tax credit. It directly reduces the amount of tax owed to the state government. So it's a dollar-for-dollar tax reduction based on a percentage of the total project cost. So for instance, if you had $100,000 project with $100,000 qualified expenses, it would be 20% credit, it would be $20,000. And I'm not even going to explain what rehabilitation is because I think you guys already know that as well. So next slide. So there's basically three types of credits. There's the federal credit, which is managed by the National Park Service and partly by our office. And that is only for income-producing properties, commercial properties. But here in the state, we have the commercial and the residential credit. So as a CLG, you guys are welcome to review the residential credits as you guys have done tonight. And then the commercial credits are reviewed by us at the state. Next slide. And so like I said, the commercial credit is for income-producing properties. So that can also be rentals that are used for housing, that can be commercial storefronts, industrial buildings, all types. Residential, that's gonna be your owner-occupied housing. So if you have an owner-occupied residence that is also being used, for instance, maybe part-time as an Airbnb or a VRBO, that's when you'll wanna give Joe a call, I should say, and discuss that situation before you would want to issue a tax credit. Next slide. So obviously you're not going to read all these because you guys already know these. The Secretary of the Interior Standards for Rehabilitation are what we use to decide what can be approved as a qualified expense for the tax credit. And so I believe you guys already use these for when you're reviewing properties for your certificate of appropriateness. So hopefully you guys are familiar with these already. Next slide. And so qualified rehabilitation expenditures, there's two different definitions depending if it's a commercial or residential property. For commercial properties, it follows the IRS definition. For residential, it is specific to the state credit. So that's exterior improvements and interior improvements undertaken to restore, rehabilitate, or preserve the historic character of a qualified property. So that's a pretty broad definition. Next slide. So here's some examples of what is allowable and not allowable. Essentially materials and labor used on the historic building are going to be allowable for QREs. Not allowable is purchasing the property, adding an addition to the property, landscaping and site work. There is some wiggle room on that, but again, that's when you might want to give us a call so we can discuss personal properties. So basically anything someone can take and remove from the property, not going to be included, just like removable fixtures and then legal fees as well. Next slide. So here's a lot of information on one side and I have a few of these for each of the tax credits. So this is just a quick overview of the federal one. So again, you guys would not be dealing with this, but you might have property owners in the community that are interested in this. So it's great to be aware of that. It's a 20% credit again only for commercial properties and a good thing to keep in mind if you're talking to someone about this is that these credits cannot be sold like we'll get to with the state credits. So you wanna make sure people are aware of that difference and that they can only take 20% per year for the first five years. So you can't take it all in the first year like you can with the state tax credit. Next slide. So the state commercial tax credit, again, great to be familiar with if you have business owners in your community that would be interested in this. The property will need to be listed on the national, state or local register. Also needs to be 50 years old. The, let's see, we have two different pots of money available for the commercial credit, both for projects over 2 million and projects under 2 million. So that's really nice. It protects those smaller projects to make sure there's still money left over for them. There are some bonuses available if your county has been declared a disaster area in the last six years and then 10% for rural, but obviously you guys wouldn't apply there. And then there's a 1 million per year property cap and 5 million per year for each of the different levels. And so these credits can be transferred or sold and sometimes we see nonprofits also getting these credits for their projects and then selling them to either fund the project or provide funding for the nonprofits. So that's also something to keep in mind when you're talking to community members. And there's no recapture period for these and they can be taken up for up to 10 years. Oh, no, you're good, next slide. So same thing applies for eligibility for the residential. It needs to be a property owner or a tenant with a five year lease. Again, we have those bonuses depending on the disaster area or if they're located in a rural area. I think you guys no longer have the... It's been more than six years since the flood, right? So I think you guys are down back down to 20% and as you discussed early in the meeting, there is a minimum of $5,000 that needs to be spent and there's a maximum of $50,000 per property and that resets after 10 years or change in ownership. So you could get your $50,000 in credits and sell it to someone else and they could get another $50,000 the next year. There's no limit on how much money is available for the residential credit. So that's a really nice thing. You can also take that for up to 10 years but they can't be transferred. They have to stay with the owner and again, there's no recapture period. Next slide. So hopefully you guys are pretty familiar with the review process. For the state credits, it's very simple. We just have the part one which is what you guys reviewed tonight and then part two, which is when you approve the work that was completed to make sure it goes along with what they said they were gonna do. The federal one is very similar. Part one is just where we certified that the building is historic. Part two, where you say what you're gonna do. Part three, where you prove that you did what you were gonna do. But the main part of these applications are just providing photographs and written descriptions of the work being done so that you guys can make a decision, a knowledgeable decision based on those photographs and descriptions. Next slide. So that, I mean, that's basically it. That's the tax credit program in a nutshell. Obviously, as you guys know, and as came up at your meeting tonight, there's a lot of intricacies, a lot of questions. I can only answer the easy ones. All the difficult ones you need to send to Joe. And that's his email address there. So you can write that down. But, you know, Jade and I have a lot of conversations and emails back and forth about tax credits all the time. So yeah, if you guys ever have any questions, please don't hesitate to reach out. That's what we're here for. We'd much rather answer your question than have something go wrong. So yeah, that's all I have. Unless of course there's questions. Great, thank you. I did actually have one quick question about the eligibility for either the state commercial or residential. For example, the application that we reviewed tonight was not listed on the register, but it was a contributing building in a historic district. And so is that applicable for the state tax credit either commercial or residential? Yes, if it's in a historic district and it's a contributing building, then yes, it is considered to be listed and therefore is eligible for the tax credits. Okay, perfect, great. Thanks for that clarification. Anyone else have a question for Mr. Dewey? No, I'm not seeing anybody. Thank you very much for taking the time to present that information to us. Thanks for having me. Okay, all right. Well, then we will move on to our next item agenda, which will be comments from the HPC commissioners. So do any commissioners have anything that they would like to share with our group? Ms. Commissioner Bagwell. I would just like to welcome Jay tonight. Look forward to our new staff member. And I'd also like to, since we didn't get to say goodbye to Karen Bryant, just to acknowledge in the record appreciation for her services for the past several years, and wish her well. Thank you, commissioner. Any other HPC commissioner comments, statements? Okay, then let's see. Councilman Rodriguez, do you have anything that you would like to share with us? Nothing in particular, but thank you guys for your service and making yourselves available for these weird Zoom meetings and commission. They're just as equally awkward to counsel, I assure you. Good to know. Okay, well, I think all in all, we did okay. Luckily it wasn't too complicated as a meeting. So thank you all for bearing with us. So given that that comes to our final item on the agenda, which is adjournment, do I have a motion to adjourn? Oh, sure, I so move. Motion second. Second. My heart is all in favor. Say, hi, raise your hand. Hi, hi. Any opposed? I doubt it. Thank you very much to you all and have a wonderful month until the next time we do this. And thank you. Nice to see everybody. See you all. Thanks to Susan and Jade. Thank you guys. Thank you, Susan and Jade. And Maria, bye everybody. Bye bye. See you next month. Bye, bye, thanks. Take care.