 Question is from Trevor Wei, 16, what foods do you think are most wrongfully demonized and what foods do you think are overhyped? Oh, wrongfully demonized is easy, red meat. That's a very easy one for me to point out. Oh, I was going to say butter. Not well. It used to be, but maybe not as much. That's a good one though. Eggs, yeah. Red meat, for sure. Here's a deal with red meat. It's the most nutrient dense meat, animal protein. It's extremely nutrient dense. You could actually get away with just eating red meat for a very, very long time. It's got a very high source of creatine, which creatine has been shown to not just benefit athletic performance, that's obvious, but it's also been shown to benefit heart health. It's been shown to benefit brain health. In my opinion, in the next 10 to 15 years, they're going to recommend creatine to everybody, including kids, because it's been shown to have so many amazing benefits. Red meat has been shown, some people say, oh, the studies show red meat contributes to some colon cancer, this and that. First off, the increases are tiny, and they tend to not control for processed red meat, salamis and sausages and those types of meats, which processed meats are like other processed foods. They're not nearly as healthy, and they tend to not cut out burgers and shit like that. If you look at the average American, and you say, oh, all these people tend to eat a lot of red meat, and you don't control for what kind of red meat, where do you think most Americans get their red meat from? Burgers. Burgers tend to come with sodas and bread and other shit and fries and all that stuff. Most people are not getting their red meat from healthy quality sources. Yeah, grass-fed, grass-finished. Yeah, or steaks. Exactly. So red meat, for sure, overly. Yeah, no, I'll keep in the red meat, because I do see that a lot. That's the new target, number one, and because there's so much interest in being able to solve all these massive global issues, whether it's environment, whether it's space on the planet, whatever it is, there's a lot of interest there. So they're already creating these fake meats besides the Beyond Burger and all these types of things. They actually have these 3D printed steaks now, which I saw the other day somebody pointed out to me, and it's going to keep being a thing. And what's going to make that relevant is to demonize red meat. It's this massive push to push us off of consuming red meat so that way we can adopt this new franken meat. Yeah, and again, the problem with controlling for these studies is most people who eat a lot of red meat are eating a lot of burgers, a lot of sausage, a lot of not as good sources. But when you look at the better sources, God, you break down red meat, again, it's the most nutrient dense common meat that you can find. It's got almost everything that your body needs, so completely wrongfully demonized. I agree. I like the butter and oil thing too, though, because I feel like it hasn't even been that long in my own personal diet. Did I begin really using a lot of butter and oil because I come from the generation of low fat and oil and oil. You think of me like heart attack, if I see some of you slathering butter on everything. Right, but if you're somebody who eats primarily whole foods and you use oil or butter to make your vegetables taste better, God, it's amazing. What a great example too, because here's what happened with the hysteria around butter. People stopped eating butter and they replaced it with... Margarine. Vegetable sourced fat oils that tasted like butter because people like butter. So the demonization of butter resulted in worse health because then people started consuming these partially hydrogenated oils like margarine, which we were told is better because it's not butter. I can't believe it. And now we know for a fact that those were bad. They're not just worse, they're bad, and so that's the problem. Same thing with red meat. The demonization of red meat is going to cause people to eat foods that are bad for them. So, yeah, wrongfully, totally wrongfully. Now, what do you guys think are some overhyped foods? Oh, I got a good one. Foods that like superfoods or foods that people today that are like, oh my God, cure all type shit. I got a good one. It's overhyped does not mean that this food is bad, it just means it's overhyped. Fruit. I think fruit is totally overhyped. Anytime you see somebody, a study talk about a healthy diet, they talk about lots of fruits, vegetables and nuts, but when you control for just fruit and you cut out the vegetables and other stuff, it's not, yes, there's some nutrients and fruit that are good and it's not bad for you, but I wouldn't put them up there with the healthiest foods that you could possibly consume. They tend to contain a lot of sugar. We've modified fruit to become these calorie sugar bars. I'm going to agree with you if it's anything except for berries, because if it's blackberries, blueberries, strawberries, raspberries, it falls in the berry group, the bang for your buck nutrient-wise is phenomenal. The fiber, antioxidants and the calories that you consume in that, I still would consider it anything, but everything else, pears, bananas, grapes, I mean, all the other They got cotton candy flavored grapes, bananas, have no seeds in them, I know. It's like they turn it into candy. Look, you just wait to the point where if they could breed blueberries to become the size of apples, you'd start to see that too and then it would lose its total value. I think like, is whole grains still a thing? Because that was, I remember that was so pushed on everybody that's like, oh, it's ancient grains or it's like whole grains. And, you know, let's be honest, like, what are you really getting from that? Like a nutrient-wise and then also like how much you have to process it just to be able to digest it. So I just, I don't see a whole lot of value in that. I find other carb sources a lot more valuable if I'm like looking for that, you know, type of nutrient. I would throw sugar-free substitutes in here also, as far as overhyped. When we look at the research on does it help people actually technically lose weight, even though it's zero calories, everything points to that it doesn't. No, because it just, people eat more. Right. So if, you know, why go through this whole idea of, you know, eating this artificial sweetener in pursuit of not consuming more calories when all the research is showing that it's not really helping. You want to hear an interesting study around that? So the vast majority of people who consume sugar-free products are consuming a beverage. It's typically soda by far, right? Soda, you know, artificially sweetened, you know, zero calorie sodas by far make up the vast bulk of the zero calorie artificially sweetened products. Right. Wouldn't you guys agree? Yeah. Those products are almost never consumed by themselves. It's almost typically, typically people are not consuming a diet soda and not having anything else with it. They're typically consuming the diet soda along with French fries, burger, pizza, or some other, you know, higher calorie food. Well, they just showed a study that showed that consuming artificially sweetened zero calorie beverages and then following up with a high carbohydrate, whatever, whether it be French fries or popcorn or something else actually changes the way the body processes the carbohydrates and could encourage, the study said, could potentially encourage insulin resistance. So it actually is a bad combination. So if you're drinking your, if you're at the movies and you got your candy and your popcorn and then your diet soda, that might not be a good thing. You might actually combine the two because what happens is you're sending a very powerful sweet signal to the brain. Artificially, sweetened products are far sweeter than sugar sweetened products. That signal goes to the brain. The body anticipates X amount of carbohydrates or sugar doesn't get them, but it operates as if it's going to get them. And that's the theory behind what's going on. I have a food group that I think is underrated, which I think that, you know, not till recently, and we do address this. Yeah. What did you guess? No, this is not going to sound right coming out of my mouth, but no mushrooms. I feel I feel like I've listened to so many different podcasts and like watch documentaries and just like we are just not utilizing the benefits of of mushrooms enough. Like you talk, you listen to somebody like Paul Stamets or Tarot, who's like the head of Forcigmatic. And that's kind of what led us into that there's medicinal value, but there's also like digestive value. There's lots of like values nutrient wise that we get like solely from mushrooms. What a great, great point you just brought up. Yes. And you know why? Because people consider mushrooms to be part of vegetable family. That's a zone category. Yeah, it's not. It's not. It's totally different fungus. It's a fungus. So what ends up happening is somebody's like, oh, I'm eating healthy. I am eating, you know, a couple of servings of vegetables every day. And they don't consider that mushrooms are separate. If you look at all the ancient health practices, Chinese medicine, Ayurvedic medicine, mushrooms are always a part of them. They have lots and lots of health properties that are unique to mushrooms when you compare them to other food groups. So I love that you brought that up. I think that's a that's a very big one.