 Welcome to Toffy TV, it is the final word. Everton suffering another defeat at the hands of Leicester City, which even though we all expected it, still felt like a massive kick in the nether regions just a year to the day since we experienced another last minute heart-breaking defeat away from home. Yeah, just don't even know why, don't even know why it felt so bad cos it just, it was, yeah. Even in the 95th minute of the game I thought, yeah they'll still win this. 93, 30 something it was wasn't it? Why would it be 30 odd seconds over? Because a lot of... He got whacked on this shit. He never got touched. He never got touched. He never got touched. He went down thinking he could win a foul and then just rolled around and then the manager pulled Bernard over and then he decided to get up. He was bringing Bernard on anyway but then he didn't bring him on to the incisive, incisive management. Absolutely a joke. Well he's done the normal. We should only make a sub when the game's dead. We shouldn't have our subs prepared the minute our subs are stood there. A goal goes in. Did you just say have our subs prepared? Our subs are never prepared? No, I'm sorry but it always seems like we've got some on stood there and we can see it. Our subs must weigh 87 layers cos the time it takes them to get changed and get on the pitch. They need 100 pages of instructions before they come on. Absolutely, farcical. From start to finish. It's just mad. Obviously lack of choices meant we went to a three at the back. Tom and Sigarton. Tom Davis, people don't like me calling them Tom. Apparently you know how to say people's first names. I mean we haven't got any other Toms in the team. No, I would call them. Tom and Davis playing them in the field with a Wobie and obviously Dominic Alvin on the front with Charleston. To be fair, tactically, shape wise, we were pretty spot on for 60 minutes of the game. We started by playing deep trying to condense the space, not letting Vardy get in behind us, putting pressure on the two number tens, stopping them getting the ball and for the most part it did work for 60 minutes. We were very comfortable. They had a lot of play in front of us. We didn't really do anything with it. Vardy was anonymous, wasn't he? Maddie was dropping into his own heart to make the ball up. Pérez was on the periphery trying to get in. There was certainly the first half. It was very, very comfortable. We carried a threat on the counter attack. We done. Lester was very good at it, which was just sitting deep and then hitting it on the break. I thought we done that really well. She did be fantastic. Real good outlet for us down that thread. I didn't think we could have had a particularly good game. He was below par, but I thought we contained him very well. I thought in the first half, I thought we, I thought the midfielder, I thought she could have done a man Davies worked hard and made sure they were in the right places. They paired them, give the ball away so cheaply at times. Tom Davies for me had one of his worst games and everything. I think in terms of just giving the ball away or being caught on the ball. Sigarton went for and working hard and giving the ball away to being anonymous in the second half. But first off it worked all right. We looked like we were okay. Michael Keane was a little bit ropey at times in the first half he could see having played, but I thought in general we were all right. We did the right thing. We frustrated them. We let them have the ball and then when we had the ball, we used it in the right way. The goal comes from, as you just said there, a counter attack starting with starting on one side, getting the ball into a wall, then moving the ball, getting into Sydney and then with Charleston coming over, with a great head. It was a great goal. Obviously very reminiscent of the goal we scored at Southampton using a woby as he should be used, going through the movement between the lines, whether people like him or don't like him. When he plays in that role and when he's got that freedom to run with the ball, it's exactly what we don't have. Whether you like him or you don't like him, he gives us something that we don't like. He does give the ball away cheaply at times, but it's cheap in probably the right areas of the pitch rather than the wrong areas. You didn't have a woby to have a team full of Snidlans. Exactly, yes. That's the same thing with Tom Davis. Normally yesterday was poor. We'll come onto the reasons why, certainly I think he didn't have a great game. But as you said, first half, we can say, we have very few chances. There are a couple which, one at 0-0 Perez pulled one wide, didn't he? The other couple, Perez went down in the box, said he'd be again just leaning into him. And then they obviously had the penalty incident, which made you know how it goes. I thought all three of the young lads yesterday were just, I don't know. Hullgate was like the ratty, Dom's touch was letting them down all day yesterday. And Tom Davis playing deeper just didn't suit him because he naturally engages the ball and didn't have the discipline to sit in. But Hullgate, a couple of times in the first half, very, very rash. And the one that could have been a penalty obviously if he touched him, if he touched him, it's a penalty. Fact that he didn't touch him. VAR got absolutely spot on. In fact, why didn't he book him? That's what I couldn't understand. He should have been booked. Sheaim is Sunday of the week, it could have been. Mae ni ddaf, the referee didn't give the penalty but you know. But the thing was, he gave the penalty, so he's deceived the referee. So that is a booking. Whereas the one that goes with Sony didn't give the pen, but he had a look and they said he ddaf. But yeah, he should have been booked. And Lester Sheaim on the replay on the thing of him. The one angle which he's not allowed to do. So everything really should put a complaint on about what he wants. But he should. Well he won't really, but he should do because that's he's not allowed to do that. And it was just shit hours really by then. Because it was a ddaf by Tilwell. He thought the challenge was coming in, so he was jumping over what he thought was going to be a challenge. But it didn't come. But it was cheaper by Holgate anyway, because he should have emptied it anyway. He hesitated when he hesitated. It was like, there was one Liverpool Spades the other week already done the same. At one month. They threw his foot back to kicker balls. They were just getting it away from the goal. He took his time and caught the lad. That's what Holgate did yesterday fortunately. He didn't catch him. He was nowhere near him. But you know, it was unbelievable to see us actually get a VIA decision over time. Because you know, especially when you were looking at the wrong angle first. You were looking at the angle from about 30 yards away as well. You're like, you could see by the ref give it. Because it looked like it was when you seen the proper angle. You could see that he was diving before. He moved his foot and that really, that really was the first half. We had a couple of half moments where we just made the wrong decision. But we were comfortable at half time. You knew they were going to come on to us a bit in the second half. Because you'd expect that. But you know, we went in, won the love at half time. And you're thinking, this is alright. These aren't great. Not playing well. We're comfortable. We look a real threat going forward. Can we get a second? The system, the system seemed to, it worked for what we wanted to do. And obviously, you know, we mentioned CWD. He really, he really thrived. Especially in that first half and early in the second half. Let's just have a touch at 49 assists. One successful pass at 20. Successful forward pass at 10. A successful attack on third pass at 5. Attempt across at 6. Pass accuracy 95% Jesus. That is incredible, given really the passion of both. Recovery is 8. Successful tackle is 4. Interceptions is 3. Clearances is 2. So, all round had a really, really good game. Defensively, he's still a little bit. I mean, there's one way of adding. Got the header in second half. Run across from me completely. He's not, he's a modern full back. He's not the most defensive minded in the world. But going forward, he's definitely a threat. One of the disappointing things for me is that, when he, there's not enough men in the ball, there's not enough men gambling. That's the problem. Now with Charleston, benefitted the thing from Dominic Carverlyw being in front of him. And he come into the space and he gives you a couple of options. But there wasn't enough men in the box room when he had the ball. The only thing he let in down is that thing I mentioned before. I just thought he went down far too cheaply in injury time. Personally, I looked at it as in he was trying to buy a father. Both shins clashed on. No, I know, but I just thought it let him down. I knew, I knew that time. I just knew that was going to cost us. I know what you can. I get it and I know what you're saying. But if he's eight, he's eight. I'm not buying that. No, that's all right. No, you're not him, are you? It was just his reaction. He was down for a bit. And then he got off. You could see straight away. He was not in wrong with him. Sheen on, sheen eight. I just might bet that you've got sheenies on on. You look at them looking up as in to say what's going on. I'm not having it. I just think sometimes players have got to understand what's going on. And that does not let him down. But overall, he had a really good game. But we don't benefit from it. He was usually out of the match. We don't benefit from it enough. Second half, he continues. He caused three brilliant crosses. I can't believe I know what I'm scoring on. But there's just not enough people in the box. Simple as, you know. When Luca Deane should have been higher up. Because we were playing with three centre backs in two midfielders. One of the midfielders at the get-in-the-box didn't. But Charles is coming in at the wrongs. So you're never going to have loads in the box by the system. So that's why you need your other wing back up there. And you need one of your midfielders breaking into the box, if not two. Because you still think about it. Once days, you've still got three, three, four of your back. And when we were getting him in play, there wasn't enough people trying to bust a gut to get in. Where we had it in the first half. Where Calderloo run runs near post and freeze the space up. No, I thought he played really well. You mentioned before, having three centre backs, I think it's fine. I think the problem is, is that you could tell that all three of them were just a little bit unsure of what their role was yesterday. Keane's pushed over right over onto the left-hand side. Mina doesn't look as settled in the three. And as I said, Holgi just looked very unsettled as well just by his demeaning that the silly little things he was doing. And I don't know how much they've worked on it. I don't know if it's something they work on regularly just in case they need to sort of pull that out the bag. I don't think we've used it since Man City where we've got to be three-one, I think. So I don't think we've used it since then. So it's been a while. But in the whole, it had worked. It done its job up to the 68th minute. And it had allowed the midfielders in front of them to just do what they needed to do. But once less they made that sub, it all just started to unravel for me. It was two against three then. While other players sort of stopped doing their jobs, I mean, that was the main change. That change was the change in the game, wasn't it, really? Well, they're always going to get a boost, aren't they? They bring another striker on. They changed the system. They just matched us up, chill will win. So they meant three at the back, the same as us. They had a quick, they had a shot right away. And they actually didn't need that mental right downpick for the throat. They'd already had to make a save from Ricardo. So they were getting a little bit of a head of steam. But then, I don't weed them. I missed a great chance to go tune it up. I mean, whole guys had one blocked, which was, of course, from Michael Draft to make a save. And then I think it was just Charles, and I did one, I have three yards out. If you had started, it's tune it up. It would have been game over, virtually. And they're big moments in games. You know, you knocked that in tune. You've got to, you don't have to chase the game and you just ship back. But he didn't score it. And then what bothered me was we were losing the midfield as the game was going on. Dave has had a poor game. You know, when I'm a big Trump fan. But first half I thought he was okay. I thought he'd done all right first half, but second half. Do you think the book into Sigarton, you got booked just before half time, then he was just for kicking the ball away, which is just, you're the captain. The captain of your country. You're 30 years old. You've played in the Premier League for years and you're getting booked for kicking the ball away. You know, absolutely just stupid. And Bains, Bains. Dean had just given a free kick away for nothing, really. Again, stupid free kick when the players going nowhere. In the last minute when all you've got to do is just hold them up. It's while Sigarton's coming over anyway. And then he gets booked and then, for me that booking in the second half, for the second half meant Sigarton stopped doing what he was doing. And I thought when them two were together, I thought he did really well just to get people in the way of the ball and allow one of them just to nick it away or allow someone else to nick it away taking turns. And I thought once that booking came, Sigarton just started losing his discipline in terms of his playing position. And what that did to Tom, it left Tom on his own. He was exposed, yeah. And when they were together, they were almost doing an unnatural job together. And then when that happened in the second half, they started becoming isolated. And also one of the things that started to happen as well is, we started to give the ball cheaply or away cheaply in places where, like we had, you know what I mean? Where first half we were doing the intelligent things and just giving it to the wing backs or giving it to Ooby to move forward. Whereas second half, we started getting isolated and just giving the ball away cheaply. And Tom obviously had done that a couple of times. I think he did it with the one where and he actually got a chance that his first shot off and gave it away cheaply in the middle of the park because he was separated, because he kept on going away from each other. So trying to thread balls as well. There's nothing wrong with clipping a ball over the top of times and mixing it up. You're trying to thread everything through the eye of a needle. We broke them up a couple of times and we were on the break and we just passed straight to one of their players and it's like we're on this way and they're spinning us and we're having to run backwards and it was just starting to unravel and what he probably should have done was took Davies or Sigarton off at that time and if Snidlin, where do you like him or not? If he's fit enough to be on the bench, he can go and sit in that centre because he's a defensive midfield player at his role. For me, I would have took Sigarton off because he was on the booking and said to Snidlin, go and do the job, shift in front to the back for him. You and Tom. Because Tom Davies, I think the goal, the second goal they scored was a perfect reflection of this. He's not a defensive midfielder. He goes looking for the ball. He gets caught up in situations rather than willing to just take a step back and say, let's do the simple thing, he goes looking for the first goal and the equaliser comes from them again with it. It was a long goal kick. It was a long goal kick. It was a block tackle. No, no, but it was a goal back even further. It's a goal kick and nobody gets up to to even challenge the ball. The ball falls between a Wobie and Tom Davies. There's not anyone in there to try and challenge. So it's a free head there. It drops. Then Tom goes in in a 50-50, far too softly, loses out. But because he's there and got in for the challenge, a Wobie's there, I don't even know where Sigarton is. Sigarton's even further past the ball, which is mad. And because Tom has gone and committed, you can't do that as the holding player. I know what he's thinking, but if you lose the tackle, it was then three runners coming through midfield, then all coming onto our midfield and not one of our defenders stepped out to come and meet the ball. The problem was though, they broke away from Davies and then the ball's played into Iniatio and Keane, Michael Keane. When you're running, he should be looking who's by me. He should know Iniatio's there and get tight at him and he doesn't. The ball gets played because he's running back towards our goal, so the ball gets played behind him. And he has to do that thing where he turns and he doesn't get close to him. Iniatio has a shot. It goes across the goal and Vardy pouting at the far stick knocks it in and you're hoping he's offside, but he wasn't. He was miles on. But if Michael Keane just a little bit more switched on and does his job properly, that comes to nothing. You know, and then we regroup, but your right-sig had gone wandering off. I don't think he came out for the second half. He certainly didn't look like he did. So it's one-one and you're disappointed because you've had the chance to go two-nil. You're thinking, oh my God. And they had a little five-minute spell after. He's good where he was on top. Made a snad wand to go moves straight to Pickford. But then it kind of died a death again, a game dropped on and then we come on to them and I thought, we can win this still. Brought Moise Keane on. I ate that shot. The hell I was jumping. I thought that was in. I thought that was in. I ate it brilliantly. And we carried a threat. We looked like we could catch them out again. They were a bit edgy. Rodgers was teeth. I felt sorry for his white teeth, his nails were in and all that. They kept coming as you would. But again, I had petered out. The man is, yeah. We started losing, like you say, those 50-50s snadling. Come on. Didn't really make that much of a difference. You've got to be looking there and thinking, right, do we get Bernard on now to hold the ball? Or to carry the ball for us? Or do we just drop back into and play 5-4-1 and get through it? And I think I'd have probably taken Tom Davis off of that state and just pushed the woby into the middle because Davis, once he'd lost that 50, we were losing everything then. Why did he take a woby off? I don't know. He's like the easy taker. He's the only one who carries a threat on that midfield. For me, like I said, Sigarton on the booking. And it was just not on the game. I had to put Sigarton snadling in there with Tom Davis personally and said, don't go anyway. Stay there and let give the ball to him. Because you've got to go. Tell the charlotson to just drop back and have the charlotson and woby picking up the bid. Why did Sigarton stay on? I've no idea. That's what I don't understand. Like you've just said, it's easy. It's easy to do that. Sigarton snadling goes in alongside Davis and then you take Sigarton off. A woby should have stayed on. You take Sigarton off and then you can even throw Bernadon then like he wanted to and just say go and sit in the middle and carry the ball towards the front two. But we would have had, we didn't even have to bring Bernadon. But they changed the system to attack us. So like you just said there that goal we can see is the first one. Players dropping off straight away drop off don't allow any space behind us and by dropping off they've allowed them to get into the box effectively by just dropping off because they don't want to play. But then the gap between and this is the same with the second goal. The gap between your army field because you haven't got, say to me for the first goal you haven't got that natural centre midfielder in there defender who will just sit in front of the and go and meet that. But the second goal we did. Now I know but which will come too. But the first goal because Tom has gone in for that tackle and he's essentially the last midfielder you're allowing them to run on and then Michael Keynes dropping back because he's terrified of the pace and not one of them is going out to engage them. To me just sums up this team we're just we're so the manager reacts to it's so reactive to what other people do. He doesn't see things and the team don't see things because of that. For me as I said I would have left the wall be on. I told with Charleston to just drop a little bit and they also go and pick up the bit from the midfield and then help whoever's up front. But we don't we've got for the first goal we've got three players who want to go only one way midfield one way do you want to go forward? So they get the go and then I could just said they then tell Tom and Snyddon to just sit get through a sticky spell which we had and then for that once that ball goes up three minutes you say we take a point from this just take a point like we did against Brighton like we should have done against Brighton same thing but we do exactly the same thing we get caught again Tom has got the ball We'll be trying to win the game now aren't we? It's a game we're not going to win now No we're not We're not going to win This is what I said after the space game There's some games where you've got to understand that a point isn't a bad result No it wasn't a bad result but the game was there to be won We weren't going to win that game We weren't going to win the game We don't because the reason we weren't going to win the game was our defence are terrified so they are 30 yards behind Amifield I know what you're saying we had the place to win the game but Amifield has dropped to the edge of our area Amifield then is 30 yards further forward so at that stage you're looking at thinking Now what I mean was in their minds they're probably thinking we can win this but you're right now because we got into injury time and once that first minute's gone you just get compact then you say to them where you're keen we're just going to bang it we bang it into the court now some people might go we don't want to play like that we need points and it's a build on block so if you're knocking it and turning them listen you could leave the child listening key you know pull everyone back and smash it for the last 2-3 minutes hit their corners get after it get through in the court we get a point you go the elbow just played the second in the league away from home we're not on a good run we've got a decent point we move on now and we don't Sheffield's United have won the same amount of games as we have yeah yeah they they just grind his results they grind his results out they take the point they look for the winner home and they take the point they don't lose the game they don't lose it and that's the most important thing you don't lose the game and yet we do and that comes down to it's mentality for me but it's also coach it's got to be a little bit of coaching but it's little moments that's why I'm annoyed me about the Sadibi bit if he's down and he's injured right then you should be should be grabbing older the ref and getting a getting a physio on the pitch and making sure that it doesn't disturb the way we're playing because all it did for me was it he's open he's down and he's he's looking around and he's and we're not concentrating on the game of football get the game like closed out and then so Tom Davis has got to born in the middle of the park he's playing a ball to see it and that even if it's on why are you doing that your Tom is getting all kinds and yet where's Sneddlin in all this why isn't Sneddlin in front of the back four he shouldn't be going anyway he shouldn't be going anyway the last 30 years of it played in the Premier League for the last few years played everywhere in every division he shouldn't now out of the game he should be saying to Davis I'm sitting you go and press the ball if we're having anyone pressing it but I am staying here Tom's got the ball now this is what's so stupid well he should he's like I'm saying he should be just looking to MFA this is what I don't get about that this team whether you're inexperienced or whether you're an inexperienced player you know it's the last minute it's literally the last minute of the game you should what's Sigarton going to do there with the ball even if he gets the ball off Tom clean he's got no way to go just get your head up and smash it and tell Moise, can you know the challenge to go and chase the ball and you know the worst thing that happens is well you know it might go off for a throw or they might have to go if you smash it into the corner they have to start again by the time they've recycled the ball the referee's blown the whistle you've walked off you've got a point you're in work today they're happy at Finch Farn going go point that lad right boy can't we do that Wednesday against Liverpool let's go and do it again another big sigh and we don't we give the ball away they break the same goal mean it probably should do better to try and cut it out well he should he should do better then Holgate probably should do better Holgate should just bring him back Holgate should just bring him back and it's turned and tried out and the ball ends up in the net and the worst thing is the lines from Porys Llegw so you just think and he's going to blow his whistle he smashes it in he's not offside and he isn't offside so when people go I've come in today and people are like you're unlucky with Farn we were unlucky though because he was onside but this goes back to the holding me ffielder if you've got a holding me ffielder there and he actually has to beat him first instead well they've got to it's a threat to it it's a tear lemon it's a threat to it they've got to pass the ball through your me ffiel player first but he doesn't because they win the tackle with Tron Davies they break there's not alls they've got is runners either side what they've got and so they just fly as a crew and that's how he's he's three against one we've got three against one they have but me and the commits because and this goes back to the first goal you know what it is and they say look at the body shape the body shape is running backwards they're running backwards nobody out of three of them says I'm going to win this so here he mean it it's running backwards so falls over wholegates is running backwards so ends up turning his back again on the ball so can't see which way he's going instead of standing him up like you taught when you're six standing him up and saying beat me because he wouldn't beat him where is Michael Key I don't know I've no idea you've had me on the show going looking for orange squares just trust me but if that comes from you've got someone sitting in front of them in the after has to beat him first so your defenders can get set then that's the whole point of having to defend to me ffielder is saying you beat me first what would he have done in the after would have gone I'll go wide or I'll pass it off he wouldn't decide to beat him but we allow it because he's not going past two men is he no we allow it because it all suddenly becomes one on ones so me and the falls over and then it's like I'm gone I've only got to beat one man instead of wholegates just standing him up his body shape is awful and it's because again it's been drilled into them as soon as they get the ball go that way do not allow space behind where sometimes there's a football he's just got to go one of this three of you talk to me to it and go I'll do him I'll do him I will take him y greif yn ysglaeth I mean you put on me your strike here you expect him to score from me you expect him to score from me you're saying back and placed it well there I just look at them now but you've been confident with our strikers doing that that's why I just said put on me your strike to me it's a mentality thing it's a whole mentality thing of that to me is complete disorganisation my issue my issue with the whole thing is the minute they equalised we stopped playing and that you can't have that in a team it's every time and a new to be honest I thought it would be three more when they scored I thought they're gonna score the problem is we can't when you play games of football you're gonna concede goals so the minute you concede a goal if everything goes out the window what the hell is going on how can you have a talented set of players who fold like a packet card the minute they concede a goal but don't you think it went out the window the minute they made the change though no I don't you know if you watch it back they brought him on after 60 minutes he had the shot which picked for safe and then no but what I mean by that is what I mean by that is is that we've set up in a way right and done a lot of how far they get behind us so what we've done is we've said to them we're gonna back off to the edge of the area so you're not gonna get that space and it worked in the first half but soon as they brought in the unnatural on we didn't do anything we're talking now about two goals that we can see because our main fear went missing so how did we help surely when they brought that player on Snyddon should have been straight on for Sigarton or Tom but Sigarton's on a booking that's why I'm saying Sigarton because he was on a booking and I thought that stopped them it allowed them to just it was like it was everywhere in the first half he wasn't involved in the game going forward but he'd done a lot of good defensive work being able to pretend I mean, today my character even said I've never seen him so fired up he was doing a lot of good blocking he was getting foot in he was keeping his shape second half he was anonymous absolutely anonymous and that to me because of the booking it allowed him to get out of jail card for them he probably knew he couldn't put exactly to get out of jail free card for them but you bring Snyddon and you say to Snyddon just sit in front of the back four don't go anywhere so when he had to come on at 60 minutes and then he had the shot and it settled again but the manager should have been looking how they changed their style Len maybe or wherever and had a look and then he could have brought like you say Snyddon on just a sip but even when it went to 1-1 you then react, don't you? and I know we brought Snyddon and Keenon but taking a wall be off you've got Sigurddon this is the thing that probably frustrated me yesterday with it is that twice we've seen this situation happen Coleman got sent off with Burnley when he was on a booking and he could see what was coming we nearly lost Snyddon last Saturday and it's not a matter like but we nearly lost him last Saturday because he was on a booking and so you like that every time he goes in because he's fonder just leaving a footing and yet Sigurddon was booked for something stupid and then was anonymous in the second half so you don't take someone off who moves the ball you take the lad off who's not touched the ball and who's leaving your youngest midfiel player exposed and a wall be can get you up the pitch even if it's a through ball so put Snyddon on say to Snyddon just go and sit behind Tom Davies say to Tom Davies you and a wall be prompt him I would have said to Tom and Snyddon either but you need the cover a natural person who's going to sit Snyddon's better when he's got Davies and a wall be's legs alongside him when he's just on his it's a more Sigurd he looked undisciplined he looked undisciplined he looked undisciplined and that comes he looked undisciplined Tom is really naive really really naive he shouldn't be doing what he's doing his legs are gone after 17 minutes and one of the reasons was because he's probably playing two man's wear but what you do what you do is surely you say you get the message across to Snyddon even if you tell him to do one job when he comes on it does it for the three minutes to go you say to him as soon as that ball goes up you go but it will take a point to you you drop him in and go Tom I can't wait to like to put this point enough Tom Snyddon you sit in front of our back four and you give them you make sure you've got a barrier you pay a wall being thrown to them that you give the ball to you can start bringing by leaving him on and this is this is where I can at this whole thing of oh they look the manager at the end you've got to feel sorry for them I don't feel sorry for them because number one they're so terrible number two it's up to him to get a message on to the pitch to tell people where he wants them to play if they're not playing that way and number three it's a mentality thing and it can only come if the mentality hasn't seeped into the plays yet of what he wants or what he should be doing or what he shouldn't be doing by now then the mentality is wrong in the last minutes of games away from home if you're drawing and you're not battering a team then you should be saying we'll take a point from this the other thing that's going to come out of it is you're going to lose the game and that's what we did it's what happened to Brighton as well Brighton is 50-50 once it once you go into that, once you put the board up you know what's going to happen you know it's going to be difficult and this mentality does not live within this team you used to always say when you're in a bad run of form team you defeat into draws and then your draws into wins and this is what we don't I can't say enough we've won the same amount of games as Wolves and Sheffield United and yet they've been loaded because they never give up they're hard to beat they get draws exactly they get draws and then they'll get a win but it's the losses Sheffield United Wolves didn't win in the first 6 games and now they're like 6th or 7th or 7th or 9th they are now and they're getting loaded if we'd drawn 3 games that we've lost this season we'd be sitting in everyone would be going wow we're all right we're all right and this is the problem we don't have the brains in the team then this comes from leadership who's going round saying to players what are you doing get in here get in here I say one thing now when Zadibi was down that was a great chance to take we stuck and yet the manager was thinking about what Benart on the side when he should be saying to players get in here no I fully agree with that I'm not blaming the manager but after 18 months in charge that clearly isn't the mentality the whole thing what you can look to for stuff like that is you know when Aledai's coming he come in two years ago at this time didn't he in fact people just failed actually this time it's his first game in charge didn't we Ben but the thing was we've got six points in a week now talking about bloody Europe again it's how mad it is but the thing about it is he just come in and went right shape and listen the football was terrible right it was terrible but at the end of the day we won games and he literally alls he did was get shape discipline if it's not on in the corner flags 10 years ago of course there's people like to play out now and all that but we need wins we can start playing football again in about February and March if we sound but if this is a period and have a lot of games and you have to take what you can get a win a draw whatever but there's no discipline there's not a player on that pitch who drags people into position the only one who really had to go with Chilwell was Pickford the others were just like Holgate was like asking we're really the midfield area is a massive problem for everything and we know it is we've lost we don't know what he is so we can't even include him so we've lost hands like Gomez and Delph Delph's not set any you know trees set any trees is not nice he's not pulled up any trees but he's been in and out but he would have at least got people into position Gomez is a big miss because he travels with the ball but we've got what we've got at the moment and alls we can do is play through this with what we've got so what we have to have is the instruction from the manager and from each other's plays and that's the thing that frustrates me I just can't have that in the last minute of the game when you've got three players in your midfield one of them is 21 and the other two are 30 and it's the 21 year old taking all the blame yes Tom didn't play well and he shouldn't be giving the ball away there but I'm not having this, that two 30 year old 30 year old international footballers haven't got the brains between them to drop back you're just doing instinctively you do it instinctively you want to see the game you want to get that point you're playing in the space of three days you're playing the top two and if you take two points out of that you've got to be happy it's confidence as well it's confidence in the system as well it's confidence like you said at the start it's confidence in saying that way there it might work here where it's I just look at that in the last two away sorry two of the last three away games there have been three away games on beating we should have got a shot in the Brighton we won't sell them to them and we really should have got a point yesterday we'd got to the time the referee was about to blow his whistle so we'd executed the game plan, we'd worked hard but it was going one way for the last two and I don't mean we were under loads of pressure cos we weren't but we were leaving gaps by not being disciplined it's a bit particularly injury time up to 90 you're thinking well we might get something here and we had a couple of breakaways we made two subs didn't we we didn't come under was there anyone else on the bench that even in the injury time we could have just brought on to shore up the midfield no there was no one, there was Bains he'd taken a gamble but I suppose he's a defender maybe he was the right decision to put him on just go and flood the midfield but even then in injury time you go bring someone on just to kill that time but he was trying to bring Bernard on just bring him on then step onto the pitch so why didn't he make the sub then cos I think they were waiting to see if he had to take it off these are all the things I go with you for blaming for some stuff but I don't know whether what I mean though is what I mean is we've played footy we're not primarily plays of course but even if they you tend to sit down and you say are you fit you go stay down then I'm going to make the sub but you're staying on you do that don't you why do these things get thrown on? the biggest thing now is that we didn't sit in that's the biggest issue Davies lost the 50-50 in the midfield and they broke on us and Sigarton and Sniadlam were nowhere to be seen and that's where the frustration should be from him today well it should be but for me it's the whole thing Tom should just be putting his foot through it in the corner like we said before and saying to Moise Keenan and Rejalis and go and chase after her because it takes another 30 seconds even if you give a free kick they have to take a free kick in their corner of like you get set it's game over isn't it but we know he's not going to get sacked we know he's going to be in charge for the Davies so no point in really talking about it is it job prepared that I mean you wouldn't have done it just quickly on that just watch this again by getting rid of them before the Davies really, or would you have done it because I would have got rid of them no but I'm talking about as it is now is it worth putting it on someone else because the chances are we're going to get beat by Liverpool it's another acceptable defeat isn't it I mean once that word was used last season or whenever it was used we sort of learned what the mindset was of the club that certain defeats are acceptable and certain ones aren't but I just don't know what's going on with the situation I really don't I just think it's it's got to a situation now where it's just become a farce all things are farce all the clubs are getting rid of their managers my foot has just sacked their second manager I sort of put Freddie Lomberg in charge and taught them obviously we acted quickly to Pochettino and brought in Kevin McLeach said we should be going all out for Pochettino yeah that's pointless but I just I don't know I just think that I think that there needs to be a change of mindset and I think this game pay for being encapsulated why we lose so many games is because we're we we're mentally mentally we but we just don't have players doing the basics and I don't care whether you're a 21 year old or you're a 30 year old experienced player or you're up the top of the league or you're down the bottom of the league you've got to take responsibility in games to see them out when you need to you've got to know when you've got to know how a game's going and know when's a good point to take and when a game is there to be won you've got to know that as a footballer and as a coach and as a manager you've got to know that it doesn't matter what age you're at really if you've played football and Tom Davis has played football for many years now you know that you're in injury time don't take any risks you know you're away from home it's not like you have to win the game to win the league or to get through it's not a cup tie and you go on you know or European second leg and if we don't win it we'll leave from home on a territory and not a great run of form smash it into the corner flag get the point get yourself set don't take risks you've also got to know who you're playing as well you're playing a team that have won six straight games you know something will fall for them you've got to play the percentages of a game like this that's football isn't it you've got to look at and think the best place for this ball to be is down there in that corner the least dangerous bit on the pitch is their corner flag so put it in I've said this loads of times though I've said this at Millwall when I was digging about with it in the last minute when all I had to do was put his foot through it and there you go you get your replay and people are like no no you don't win a game by doing that no no but you lose a game some people have got strange views of the game it's that you try to pass your way all around a pin you've got it this is why Everton won't win I've seen it as a weak one pick from the playing for England though did the same thing five minutes ago chipping little lovely balls no no no you take your point and you go home it's a point you've got to think about how you win stuff you don't win stuff just by playing and playing and playing you win stuff by grinding games out man city with the one on Saturday did the grind out to win still asking about the two one and end up throwing another three points about Liverpool make sure they grind it out they get in front and they grind again they were hanging on by the skin of the teeth at the weekend and smashing balls anyway all those little points everything that's rough don't get me long to be days when you're like oh we should have won that game but it doesn't always happen like that you've got to know when to take your point and you know to me that's one of big problems listen this fella came on yesterday Moise Keane first time we'd seen him in a while up front and he made a bit of a difference didn't he I don't know whether he would have started him because in terms of like the work like that would have been needed but when he came on like we said earlier I mean I thought he'd scored when he took that shot it was a good hit he looked, literally he put himself about he didn't back down from fellow at the worst head in the Premier League you know we want to see more of him don't we that's what we want to see from him improvisation taking shots he looked a bit more confident just wasn't on the pitch for it we just didn't get the ball to him enough but you know he's going to grow into it he's going to learn how to play the game in the Premier League just to get himself up to speed what he can and what he can't do but do you think at 1-0 we should have brought him on I don't know because it was it was for who for Dom maybe Dom and the Calderlun didn't have a very good game so he started off making nuns in behind and I thought he'd be handful today and then he just allowed Johnny Evans just allowed him and I can't even say the kids name Son Q of whatever his name is Son Chey but he just allowed him to have a comfortable afternoon he's got it that's where Dom's got to learn how to put himself about you can't give defenders easy afternoons you've got to be a pest he's an absolutely annoying fellow he's always by it he's laughing at you he's kicking you he wants it all the time Dom does he want it enough I don't know I've got to get in people's face don't want to get through games this lad's not nice seeing that straight away getting in his face I want to see him playing with a woby behind him I've said it because a woby will play and unfortunately he took a woby off he'll get no game soon because there'll be a different manatech there will be because if there's not then we're only going to go one way so let's finish it there there's not much to say oh well just another day at the office for Everton he's going to be in charge he's going to be in charge for the barbie and then we'll see what happens but I'm just hoping I'm not really holding out any hope for Wednesday night why would you anyone who says phone goes out the window hasn't been watching Everton recently and then we'll see I think after the day we've got three games that I think we can get something out of them on paper it looks it looks difficult obviously Chelsea united and Arsenal but Chelsea got beat at the weekend might be starting to lose a few plays for injuries and that kind of thing feel like I've just gone to Old Trafford and got a point United just seems to be as shaky as us and then Arsenal they were in a bit of flux themselves obviously got good strikers obviously that'll be after we've played Lester in the League Cup as well there's an opportunity there I think there's three and I don't know, don't know who will have available Bernard, Delph and yeah there you go anyway let us know your thoughts in the comments on the game you're all going to be as frustrated but did you think it was did you think it was a good performance just let down by some poor in-game management don't we really always it's just that simply Lester a better than us and that showed in the end let us know your thoughts in the comments don't forget if you haven't already subscribed please do click the bell for a later you know exactly when videos are out and if you want more shows including live shows including the phoning which we'll be doing at 5 o'clock on Patreon then join us over there on Patreon the link is in the description and we'll see you later