 Hey everybody, in this video we're going to be talking about something that is very hard to talk about and a little bit controversial right now but it is making headlines and it does kind of seem like a pattern so a lot of people are talking about it and it is non-white white supremacists. Yeah, there've been several incidents in the news. Today there was an incident at the White House involving somebody of Indian American descent that was a declared neo-nazi white supremacist all the way to the tragic shooting at Texas Allen Mall that involved a Mexican American who was also a white supremacist in neo-nazi so a lot of people have a lot of comments on the internet and a lot of people are confused a lot of people are arguing obviously the debate is going over here over there over there we're going to try to get into some of the comments our own takeaways. Like I said Andrew this topic is incredibly difficult to understand right a lot of people are confused understandably. Yeah I think it comes down to ideology identity cultural identity self-hatred a lot of mental illness of course so everything's wrapped up in it and I'm not saying we have the answers but we're here to just have a productive conversation if this is not a conversation that you've had before which many people have not so you know if you're interested in seeing us try to tackle this hit that like button check out other episodes of The Hot Pop Boys. And you know what I've noticed Andrew I think the mainstream media either doesn't want to does not know how or is completely oblivious to even being able to talk about this subject. Yeah I think they're just pushing it down the news cycle. I've seen them bring it up but a lot of people doubted it at first and the conversation has been very very very short. Yeah and it's possible because the media is white themselves and they're almost like well they're not white I just but they're saying they're white supremacists I don't understand. Yeah I just think people are having trouble actually having even an actual conversation about this. Andrew what are just some real quick things that you could talk about these two incidents we will get into other incidents like I said one thing we don't want to do is like sensationalize it just to get clicks and views and stuff like that like I don't want to show a lot of photos only if it's like super relevant and you know we're just trying to have a more productive conversation. What are things that people have to initially even keep in mind before we get into the comments. I think you have to understand that the belief in white supremacy doesn't mean that you have to be white you can be non-white. There are some known Asian white supremacists there are known Latino white supremacists there is now apparently and you know Indian Indian white supremacists and I'm sure out there there is maybe a few black white supremacists right people who literally do not like themselves are against their own people but they believe in that system. So you don't have to ethnically actually blood wise be white. You're saying it's more like an ideology. Yeah I think the easiest way I can explain is there was even white Americans I guess of Western European descent that had joined the Taliban too so right that was theoretically a something that didn't make sense to people. There are so many different people in this world with so many different beliefs that some of them do join a team that you really would not expect. You wouldn't think look like obviously blonde hair blue eyed like David Duke or whatever. Anyway continuing what is the second thing that people need to know. Yeah obviously you know due to the fact that the Allen Texas mall shooter he had actually been discharged from the army right for mental illness and they actually stopped took his guns away right but then they didn't really correspond with the Texas officials or the Texas like law system gun system to ban him from buying guns afterwards. You're saying that there was no communication between agencies. That needs to change. Obviously I'm just saying that maybe it's a little harder than I'm suspecting but I'm just saying that obviously needs to change and also one thing is like I know people love saying their names and putting their pictures all over the internet. Obviously we'll say their names if it's relevant and show a picture if it's relevant but I really don't like it because I just feel like that doesn't really help like if we're not going to learn and actually as a country make any changes after all of these attacks then it's like why do we keep giving the perpetrator all this attention afterwards. Yeah in fact if we show anybody's photo here I'm going to try to blank out their eyes just to you know what I mean. I mean if we're saying it we're just saying it to make a point but I definitely do not want to like fall into the media cycle like you said there's a as much as people know what's wrong Andrew the media they offer clicks. Yeah let's get into the comments section Andrew somebody said that white supremacy or neo-nazism it's just a belief system just like there was a white guy who joined the Taliban or any other thing that doesn't make sense. It's 2023 some people are having like I guess a lot of identity issues where they're not joining the think group that you think they would be a part of. Yeah but in a sense I guess it makes sense because is it weird to just say oh only white people can be white supremacists. Only pure Western Europeans they look something like they could be from the British Isles in that extended zone. I mean anybody can believe in anything and I think that social media doesn't always help in that sense because it definitely can radicalize people and indoctrinate people like we said there have been multiple cases of American white people trying to join the Taliban or the Al Qaeda like seriously I remember some of those cases. Right there's just been a lot of just identity just bending man I think from there's always been but just even more because of the news and stuff like that we all have access to information that we never did in previous generations. Somebody said this there's been a big push Andrew within white guys who feel bad about what happened but they don't want whatever Mauricio Garcia did as a Mexican American to come back to them. So I saw like maybe like 5,000 comments from white guys going man what he did was terrible but don't label it a hate crime because he's dead anyway and he already did what he did so why haven't come back on white guys. Right but they're saying that if you label it as a hate crime then it's somehow going to make white men look worse again. Right and then cause a divide in the country when we didn't even do it this one. Right I guess I don't really know what the goal of this comment is or what they're trying to say. I don't know how it makes white guys look worse. I guess that somebody was saying and like I said guys these are real internet comments I did not write any of these somebody was saying it's similar situation to George Zimmerman where white people thought he was gonna be white but George Zimmerman actually turned out to be I guess half Latino and half white but not white looking so then they were like trying to take that strike and move it to another team. I mean yeah I guess in theory if he's not white but he is a white supremacist obviously that still looks bad for white people but it's not necessarily villainizing a white man I guess is what I'm saying. Dude because he is like yeah if you look at the picture this this this guy looks I guess appears more Mexican. Somebody said what if he was a full-blooded German from Argentina but he still had a like Spanish last name would he be considered a white supremacist or would he be considered Latino. So now are we just going off like how people look or what if people are mixed or what is it. I guess for this case because now white supremacy has become you know an identity that you kind of just label it white supremacist but they can be any color and I think maybe it is it is worth noting that. That's what I'm saying we have to have this conversation that there is a growing number of non-white people who are as like not that much European blood who have these ideas. Yeah dude I don't know. I'm just like saying accept it that it is happening and then let's do something about it. Somebody said that it actually has to do with this internet in-cell white supremacist space that is radicalizing people. It's definitely not traditional in the sense of it being tied to anything from the old KKK days of America of you know the 30s 40s 50s 60s. It's like using the same word but it's like a whole different thing because it's more of an internet driven identity than anything in terms of like meeting up with like white hoods on or anything. Like those two systems are separated. Right I think that systems are separated but the hatred and kind of the I mean if you've watched American History X right you saw that movie if you guys have ever seen that movie with Edward Norton it's a great movie but I'm saying like that kid the little brother from that movie could exist nowadays and that's kind of what these people are doing except it's just not only white kids. Yeah it also reminds me of that one movie um with Samuel L Jackson and Matthew McConaughey. The time to kill. Yeah they even in that movie alluded to there being a split between like the new punk rock style and the old like uh meeting a church in the countryside style. I don't know guys anyway guys like I said this is I'm not close to this world at all but I'm just trying to unpack it. Somebody said the only hate crime they should be guilty of is hating humanity. So this kind of brings it back to like should these crimes be labeled hate crime if they believe in certain ideologies and will it only work if the skin color matches or what's even going on right now. Are these people hating humanity? What is the political motivation behind certain groups to label things hate crimes to get them double charged beyond their initial charge that obviously most people deserve believe they deserve. Yeah uh I don't know about the whole hate crime thing I'm not really too bought into like I guess the usage of that but definitely this guy hated everybody and he made posts on his social media account hating on LGBT Asian people Jewish people black people like everybody he was just hating yeah the Texas Allen shooter was hating everybody okay and that's according to his posts on social media and also even I believe some eyewitness accounts from people who used to work with him. Um I guess this Latino professor who got interviewed for this article about this came out and said that uh Latinos are a pan ethnic group that have many different racial identifications within that grouping for example everybody thinks that Latinos are like uh a mestizo look but Latinos can be pure white they could be pure black they could be pure indigenous or they could be pure Asian and still be Latino and this is something that only mainstream America I guess is learning as America uh their sophistication IQ goes up of understanding Latino people. Yeah but again I think this is where the white guys want to come in and defend themselves because they're saying hey these guys like you don't have to be a white suprem you don't have to be white to be a white supremacist so they're saying stop blaming it on the white blood of these guys even if they might have some European blood obviously look at this Indian kid probably I mean if he took a DNA test how much European blood does he really have right probably not a lot right but I'm saying and then also there are a couple cases of some Asian white supremacists that haven't gone out and committed the heinous crimes but they have committed like verbal they're probably zero percent uh tied to Europeans yeah exactly so I guess I guess that's what white guys are saying white guys who don't want to be villainized they're like listen these people are white supremacists but it's not because they are part white and like because I'm white that doesn't make me more of a white supremacist right and I think that the reason why and some people are gonna be like why is all the discussion going near this whole like racial lane it's because people feel like there's this divide right now and any incident that gets associated with their group they want to really make sure they're like hey I don't want to take it unless I really have to because that's like more strikes on my squad right right because obviously like there has been a lot of bad press for white people in the past even couple decades right about everything so I think yeah I don't know I mean I hope that this discussion uh can help people be less angry like I just hope that the comment section doesn't make more angry people that leads to more bad things I hope that people can talk it out and you know I never think that when people talk it out on the internet they fully come to an agreement but at least they can see like some different perspectives you know what I mean to flesh it out somebody said I'm Latino myself and I reported a fellow Latino the student that I went to school with because they were on the same edgelord wear all black punk rock emo make dark jokes thing that this kid was on and I figured it was better safe than sorry because even if they just needed mental help and they weren't planning on actually doing anything at least me reporting them will get the mental help that they need yes I think all minority communities right now even if you never thought you're like nah like oh man my our people don't do that if they're Asian Latino black dude white everybody is possible of doing that so I think you need to be ready to call people out on it or like call or report them and not just think oh well because they're one race it means they're not capable of doing it obviously in the past year we have seen Asian guys shoot other Asian people right and that's that was horrible but I'm just saying it can happen so I think that maybe that stereotype that all mass shooters are white it seems a little bit of a past decade now it's not I can't say that because I think once we say that then we're saying people from our community are not capable of it but they are right and you got to see the warning signs and somebody said by the way guys warning signs are not just goth punk alt looking people wearing all black although statistically it seems like possibly a higher amount of mass shooters have this aesthetic wearing leather boots and things like that it's a lot of other factors to their gaze their eyes their energy the things that they say their internet posts the things they say to people outside of the internet as well yeah definitely um somebody said uh he had mental illness uh issues and somehow he was still able to get a machine gun and somebody was like yes of course in Texas they probably gave him a discount and obviously this went into a whole thread of um basically like you know gun control and so many other issues that legitimately do pop up but I think they're only like one pizza slice of the whole pie I guess David to kind of take it away and hopefully you know you guys gain something from this conversation uh I guess like what did this how did this open your eyes like looking at all this it's confusing to me to be honest I think a lot of the issues we talk about I generally can come to some sort of like hard takeaway but definitely my takeaway is that like this is terrible whether it's a mental health issue like we said people being radicalized by certain corners of the internet um because this is all domestic stuff right now I think for the longest time in the previous decades everybody's focused on radicalization overseas and now we got radicalization within America and now you it just turned into so much arguing and politicization you know after Texas Allen happened the Allen Texas shootings happened Joe Biden came out and said white supremacy is the number one threat to America a lot of people on the right they said yeah it happens but I don't even think it's in the top 50 things that are wrong with America I don't know who's right but it's like it's probably higher than 50 for sure on the priority list but is it number one and if it's number one is it just any color of people who buys into it like what's going on you know like I'm saying both sides are politicizing it yeah well I guess that ideology has proven to be pretty toxic on a lot of levels um not saying that that's the only toxic ideology but clearly it's been able to manifest itself within its population in the worst ways possible because there's other ideologies that you could disagree with but maybe it just hasn't really made people shoot several people you know what I mean right so I think uh yeah I definitely think that uh I think the issue stands on my belief is like listen I don't care what color or what background you think this classmate comes from if they really are showing signs like that and they're in America and they have access to guns you got to say something you gotta report I think you have to report them as much as it pains you because maybe they're not always like that they have a moment where they're nice and then the moment where they slip into that dark place I think you got to report it especially in 2023 you got to be on it and do it anonymously through text message whatever technology you need to do to make you feel like you can do it um honestly Andrew I think there's like anywhere from three to ten major issues that are impacting this right whether you said the interconnectivity of government agencies gun control whether it's mental illness all these things need to be addressed it seems like almost none of them have much movement so how can the whole issue change of this risk exposure for everybody in American society if there's several factors at play and I don't see any movement or major movement at least maybe a little bit on any of them I yeah I don't know some of these things are beyond our control at the moment and the only people that can do anything are the people that we vote in a power so that's it I guess for some of these things let us know what you think in the comment section below guys like we said there's like so much stuff I didn't want to get into it you know a lot of it just went I don't even know into a space that I was just like it's too crazy man yeah well let us know in the comments down below what you guys think about this uh this is a confusing topic but yeah listen non-white white supremacists they exist now it's here so just so you know uh that is something now that exists yeah so uh please uh yeah the hard topic to talk about of course hopefully was helpful uh and uh please hit that like button and until next time we're out peace