 Hey everybody what's going on I am Greg Sussman joined once again by Jim Sannis of Fandle. We're here to go over some of the undervalued players heading into week number eight. What's happening Jim? Yeah this is a pretty good slate for value Greg. A lot of really interesting guys available to us and some ones we'll need to discuss to figure out if we can actually trust them or not. But I'm feeling pretty good about these guys entering week eight. How are you doing? I'm doing awesome man. All six players we're talking about today are playing at home this week which you have to like. So let's begin at the quarterback position which is exactly where we began last week. We're the same player. It's the different matchup. It's Gardner Minshew and the Jacks taking on the Jets. Minshew is priced under $7,000 this week. We saw the Jets get thrashed on Monday night. And it sounds like you think Gardner Minshew could do some more thrashing on Sunday. Yeah he definitely could because Minshew's had some tough matchups pretty much all year long and the Jets aren't really as bad as their perception but they're not a plus defense. That is for sure. Especially with CJ Mosley seeming like he's probably going to miss this game once again for the Jets. And when you look at the total in this game it's very low. And that could push people away. And I think it should usually but I think it is a good candidate to go over in this game because the Jets with Sandar on the quarterback ranked 17th in seconds per snap whereas without him they were ranked 32nd and dead last by a pretty wide margin. So they're a faster-paced team when Donald is out there which bodes well for the Jets but also bodes well for Gardner Minshew. Minshew has mentioned had some tough matchups still went pretty good. The Jets ranked 17th against the pass based on Number Fire's schedule-adjusted metrics which means he should move the ball so far this year. It's the second best matchup. He has had as a starter so far. He is $6,900 and I think that you could get some exposure to this game whether it be Gardner Minshew, Leonard Fournette, Slavia Bell, Robbie Anderson. It's not as bad as it appears. And if we do get a little bit of back and forth here the Jets score some points that's going to bode well for Gardner Minshew. The Jaguards have to keep their foot on the gas pedal. So I think that Minshew is not a standout play from the value perspective by any means and I'd much rather pay up for guys like Deshaun Watson and Jared Goff. But when you want to spend down there's not a whole lot cooking below $7,000 so I'm going to take the safe route and go with the guy we know has a good floor and has a little bit of a ceiling too that's Gardner Minshew. Minshew is certainly safe enough with a ceiling that may not be super high but is certainly good enough at $6,900. Price under $7,000 going to the Gardner Minshew at the quarterback position opens up a lot of space along the rest of your lineup. But if you want to pay up for the quarterback you need to find value elsewhere and that of course brings us to Ty Johnson, one that you obviously knew was coming. Ty Johnson's price is just over $5,000 this week and he's expected to start in place of Karrion Johnson on Sunday against the Giants. The Giants allowed a ton of yards and touchdowns to the Cardinals back up running back chase Edmunds. Last week let's see what they will do and will allow Ty Johnson to do on Sunday. Yeah I think it's pretty fair to have at least some concerns around Ty Johnson entering this week but when you look back at their usage last week of Ty Johnson in that game it was pretty encouraging. He played more than 60% of the snaps. He had finished that game with 10 carries and four targets and two of those carries actually came before Karrion Johnson got hurt. I was initially a bit scared about Ty Johnson because he had lost a role to JD McKissick before that is snaprated cratered but then last week early in that first quarter they did get Ty Johnson involved and he had two carries before Karrion went out. After that it was eight carries for Ty Johnson with four targets whereas JD McKissick had four carries and two targets and most of that work for McKissick came on third down whereas Ty Johnson got all of his work on first and second down. So if you're looking at the way the Lions may use Ty Johnson I would expect that he does leave the field for some third downs in favor of JD McKissick but we're probably going to get about 67% of the snaps. He's probably going to get most of the early down rushes. He'll probably get four to five targets and for $5,200 at home against this Giants defense, Ty to Matthew Stafford with how he's playing this year I think that's good enough to dive in. So Ty Johnson probably not going to get bell call in this offense. I would not expect him to be but he has talent. The guy is super fast, got a good matchup and his workload should be good enough for him to pay off. So while the concerns around Ty Johnson are justified I think that the salary is low enough and the spot is good enough we can still go at him here at $5,200. The concerns there are definitely real when it comes to Ty Johnson how Matt Patricia deploys this committee also a legit concern but Ty Johnson has speed. He's a Maryland guy and he's worth starting this week against the New York Giants because their defense is not so good. $5,200 it is hard to avoid Ty Johnson across the board on Fando. Another undervalued player this week is James White. He's facing off against the Browns, he's priced at $6,000 and James White hasn't had that dominant game yet but the wide receiving core for New England just not all that good. Sure they acquired Mohamed Sunoo and they have sent Josh Gordon to IR but there's just not much here. I think we're waiting for that James White explosive game. Is it coming this week? Yeah very well could. Part of the reason that James White hasn't done a whole lot this year is because the Patriots haven't played any tight games. They have won six of their seven games by 16 or more points and they could do that again this weekend. They are 13-point favorites against the Browns but this Browns offense coming off a buy, they've got some good players in that offense, they could score points and make the Patriots keep passing later in the game and if they do that that would bode well for James White. He has played four games since he missed that game due to the birth of his child and in those four games despite the Patriots winning three of those by pretty much a landslide he has gotten 10, 9, 9 and 8 targets. That is a really good number and the thing you have to like about that is that a lot of those targets are in close towards the goal line. He has 10 targets inside the 20 yard line this year and he has four targets inside the 10 but despite that he has just one touchdown all year long. Basically the reason he has not had a big game so far is because the touchdowns have not been there and I want running backs who can pay off without touchdowns but James White has been good enough without those touchdowns where if he does score he's gonna have a really good day. So I think that we should see hopefully a bit of a closer game here for New England that does wind up happening it would increase the drop backs for Tom Brady that would increase the targets for James White so yeah it's been a weird year for him so far but he's not totally off the map and I think that we could see a better output from James White and those touchdowns for him will come eventually. Hopefully that positive touchdown regression begins this Sunday at home against the Cleveland Browns we've seen Sonya Michelle find his way to fall into the end zone James White hopefully you're up next. Moving on to the wide receivers we go to Houston this is an obvious one and we talked about him yesterday it's Kenny Stills there's no will fuller in the lineup here which means Kenny Stills is going to be the deep threat all game long for Deshaun Watson and the Houston Texans they're home against the Reuters and Stills is priced under $6,000 we mentioned yesterday Jim but clearly a lot's alike. Yeah Kenny Stills is kind of like the ideal for guys in this salary range what I want for a wide receiver who is lower than $6,000 is I want them to be big play guys I want them to get targets down the field because it doesn't take as much volume to pay off there and I kind of want them to be able to hit on not a ton of volume because you're not going to get a lot of guys who get ten targets unless it's Tyler Boyd below $6,000 so you want guys who have the ability to pay off on not a ton of volume and Kenny Stills is the poster boy for that in this match up here with Oakland we saw what Aaron Rodgers did to this Oakland defense last week while playing with a bunch of banged up guys Kenny Stills is a really good player and stepping into a large role of $5,700 he played 95% of the snaps for Houston last week he had five total targets and two of those targets were deep so Kenny Stills is never going to have this great floor because he does get so much work down the field it's kind of like we discussed with Marquis Brown earlier in the year where he's going to have days where he doesn't catch a lot of balls and that way disappointing but the upside here is really really good and I want exposure to that upside in this match up in this stadium when he's playing at home and on turf so Kenny Stills is going to have bad days even when Will Fuller is out but I think the odds he hits a good day here are pretty high so I like Kenny Stills a ton I think that he is my favorite wide receiver potentially on the entire slate even while acknowledging that the risks are certainly there I think that his upside is just too good to pass up at $5,700 I agree the ceiling is way too high at $5,700 to just avoid Kenny Stills this week yes, there's that chance of a 3 for 38 outing a 4 for 45 but you know Deshaun Watson wants to take a deep shot and you also know that he trusts Kenny Stills Bill Bryant came out this week and said yeah, this trade for Larry Mittunsell and Kenny Stills it's worked out alright for us naming both of these guys Kenny Stills has been a big winner thus far for the Houston Texans and for fantasy owners and we think that only takes the next step here this week another wide receiver that Jim likes is undervalued is Calvin Ridley now there's been a lot of questions if Matt Ryan will be able to give it a go on Sunday against Seattle and the rumor is he very may will very might will does that make sense? Not sure but I can tell you he's $5,400 and that makes sense to put him in your lineup yeah, if Matt Ryan can't go we're out we're not we're not touching the Falcons if that happens but if Matt Ryan does go Calvin Ridley got an improved role this week with Mohammed Sanu being traded and that's not accounted for in his salary we've talked about Calvin Ridley a lot of times on this show and every time I've used the word volatile and yeah he's still going to be volatile because he gets a lot of work down the field just like Kenny Stills but that volatility will go down with Mohammed Sanu being elsewhere because the snap rate for Calvin Ridley should go up and he should see a higher target load in this offense his upside will still be the same so his ceiling is still going to be very good as it has been the entire year but his floor will get better and that's really encouraging for a guy who is $5,400 this Seattle secondary is nothing we need to fear all that much they're at home they're in a spot where the Falcons are probably going to have to keep on chucking it so it sets up really well for Calvin Ridley if Matt Ryan cannot go then I'm probably not going to go here Philip Dorsett is $5,600 I don't mind him Mike Williams is $5,700 he is also in line for some positive aggression so I would go to those guys but if Matt Ryan can go Calvin Ridley is really fun that game would be pretty fun but Ridley for $5,400 would be a really good wide receiver if he has his quarterback available as long as Matt Ryan plays Calvin Ridley is in a fine position to be successful against the Seattle defense it has been stingy but the Falcons have certainly scored the football without Mohammed Sanu we're at least going to get all the snaps he can handle on the outside it's going to be Julio Jones being option 1A and Calvin Ridley is 1B $5,400 one last position to get to and that's tight end and you're not going with a tight end that most people were talking about for Indianapolis last week and Eric Ebron you're going with Jackie D Jack Doyle and we're all looking for tight ends to stream why are you going with Jack Doyle this week at under $5,000 most of these Jack Doyle actually runs routes and gets snaps so that's usually a valuable thing at tight end Eric Ebron is fine you know I like the outside there I like the floor with Jack Doyle and part of the thinking here is that the Colts do like to throw more at home than they do on the road in the three home games they have played Jacoby Brissette's pass attempts have been 37, 46 and 39 they are much more a pass heavy team when they are on turf than when they are on grass and they are on turf for this weekend now generally about well for T.Y. Hilton but he's going to see Chris Harris and Chris Harris is a genuinely talented player which means that T.Y. Hilton's target load may go down a bit because those targets got to go elsewhere in the one game that T.Y. Hilton missed it was Jack Doyle who got a lot of volume he had eight targets in that game had a couple of red zone looks and I think that could be good for him not thinking eight targets for Jack Doyle but if he can get five to six in this offense and I would expect the Colts to score some points here against Denver I think that bows really well so the upside for Jack Doyle probably not that great he's not going to get as many yards as Eric Ebron could get but I think that below five thousand dollars you can't be that picky so I think that Jack Doyle makes a lot of sense Benjamin Watson is also forty nine hundred dollars he played seventy five percent of the snaps on Monday night and he played a lot in the slot not wide too so I don't mind Benjamin Watson at the exact same salary as Jack Doyle but Doyle is indoors in a spot where I expect Andy to score points and his target load could be higher this week with T.Y. Hilton seeing tough cover so Jack Doyle at least for me back on the map in DFS this week he runs routes and plays in a dome what else do you want for a tight end this week that's Jack Doyle hey Ben Watson is chief he did run routes as well and played a lot on Monday night and as he gets more integrated in this Patriots system Ben Watson will become an option for you down the line this week if you're choosing between one of those guys Jack Doyle the clear choice at forty nine hundred dollars that's going to do it for us here on the FanDuel hurry up Jim it's been a blast I appreciate your time good luck this week we'll talk to you next week thank you Greg you as well enjoy the World Series good luck in week eight we'll talk to you next week thanks so much Jim tomorrow Gabe Moreno join me as he gives us his six best best for week eight I'm looking forward to it we hope you are too have a great night enjoy Thursday Night Football and we'll see you tomorrow