 So that dimension which I am referring to as a source of creation right now, what is its nature, which is what I believe scientists are trying to figure out in some way. So, if I have to describe it in some articulation, we can only say it's nothingness. When I say nothingness, when the moment I say nothingness, immediately in normal English language it has a negative connotation of not being anything or not worth anything. If I say you are nothing, it is understood as you are no good. So I am not referring to nothing in that sense. Probably we would understand it better if you put a hyphen between no and thing. It is not a thing, it is non-physical in nature. So whatever you try to say about it in definition or in description is bound to be wrong even before you utter it because it's non-physical in nature. So this non-physical nature, if you look at it, it has a fringe nature. It has a core nature which is absolutely non-physical and it has a fringe nature which is dark and it's a transition from non-physical to physical. I don't know if you should ask an ophthalmologist why it is so, but when I really look at the sun or even the moon, particularly when I see the moon, people always, the sun is very much true but it could be because you are getting blinded by the sun, which I don't because I used to just stare at the sun for hours at one time. I always see a black halo around the sun, not a white halo, the same with the moon. I think I've asked so many people, they all see white halo but I always see a black halo around the sun because I see the same thing within myself probably people will think I'm the devil if I say this, the very core of what this is around that there's always a black halo and this halo gradually is transiting from non-physical nature to physical nature which is dark in nature. So we traditionally in yogic terminology we say Shiva when he sits still he is nothing. The word Shiva means, Shiva means that which is not, that is he's not. What is his creation, what is not is the source of creation. So when you look at this aspect the very core aspect is a non-existence and immediately next to that before the physicality happens there is a dark face. We call something dark and always in language and literature and in normal social connotation the word dark is always understood as remote or even threatening or dangerous or negative. This is essentially because of the way our visual apparatus are made. Suppose you were an owl, you always would think dark is a very bright thing. So the human perspective of dark being a negative aspect is a very limited way of looking at it, our sense of vision essentially. So when I say because of lack of terminology or if I invent a new word it won't be any better than dark so I settle for dark. So this dark dimension is where you can understand the nature of creation beyond that the total non-existent state that is not a place to understand that's a place to just merge which is not the interest of a scientist and mathematics will not go there. So in the yogic tradition we say when he moves Shiva is a dark one. Always Shiva has been referred to as a dark one. In his ultimate state of Shiva as Sada Shiva he's utterly still and nobody can feel him unless you're willing to become one with it. But when he moves his initial phase of movement is dark. When he really comes out and becomes a part of the world then he's light. So this is in my perception somewhere people who saw the nature of creation within themselves are trying to explain this in a personified way. In his core he's absolutely still. You cannot know where he is. You can only become one with him. If you're willing to be sucked into him it's alright. But if you want to you know in any way transact with him it is not possible there. But when he begins to stir he's dark. There if you want to go you need courage you are willing to transcend you're willing to leave everything that you know and enter into a completely different area where you do not know what's the end for you. Or if you want to transact with him properly when he becomes light which is creation you can transact with him you can see everything as Shiva and experience it you can be devote about it you can worship it all that. But when you go to the dark phase or beyond that there is no worship there is no nothing it is just dissolution which today I feel the modern physics is very much going in this direction according to the law according to the yogic law how it goes is Shiva was asleep that means he became totally dead but he's there he's still absolutely and then Parvati or Shakti came and moved around him three times then he stirred up it's from then creation happened they clearly say they did not copulate she just went around him three times and the basic force of creation began to happen which was not physical which was a transition so this dark phase around Shiva began to expand and then Parvati said is this your creation look at this what you created just one dark wave of nothing is this what you're capable of then he woke up and then they copulated out of their copulation the whole creation happened it could be a metaphor for scientific understanding of forces and particles we have experiments where in absolute vacuum state if you apply electromagnetic force suddenly virtual protons and virtual particles come yes it doesn't even have to touch yes just around that if you apply electromagnetic force yes virtual protons and virtual neutrons happen yes so he said what you're saying is very similar she just goes around yes and creation begins spontaneous creation of particles happens and they come they come in pairs they they always created in pairs that's what they they happen in pairs and then they copulate yes they touched each other and they and that and highlights to create energy those particles when they highlight each other the the way the energy forces work is that the the electromagnetic forces around create from nothingness a pair of particles and the pair of particles when they join they copulate actually spontaneously results in the creation of energy this is a very well accepted scientific principle and verified in the experiment