 Labour in the North West have had enormous success compared to Labour in the rest of England is a potential power base which could challenge Keir Starmer he should be concerned about this. What he has done though it seems is take a form of action which can only inflame tensions. Just before we went live today we have learned that Keir Starmer sacked Angela Rayner from her roles as both the Labour Party chair and is the party's national campaign. Co-ordinator. Now Aaron to me this seems wild. I mean it seems completely self-destructive. What Keir Starmer needs to do at this point in time is really hold together any coalition he can because I think at this point in time you know. We often say this Labour members don't like records you know that they don't like it when it seems as an unprovoked attack on someone who has a democratic mandate. But Keir Starmer is in an incredibly weak position at this point in time and he is now it seems going to war with one of the most popular actually members of the shadow cabinet and a member of the shadow cabinet who has connections to many of these popular successful politicians in in the North West like what's he doing what's what's what's the plan here. It makes zero sense. It makes absolutely no sense. He's probably he's probably not slept. I mean maybe this decision has been fueled by Jameson. You know maybe it's a bit too much to drink. I mean I'm being serious. He did the interview yesterday and he was saying you know we're going to take a few days. Calm down digest. Of course that's what we should do and now he's done this. We're obviously hearing conflicting stories about that. But you're absolutely right before I talk about the sort of the conflicting stories in the fall. It's important to say you know who is Angela Rayner. Yeah. She's she's from the Northwest. She's very much a sconce within that power the power base of particular GMB but so trade union movement in the Northwest. That is very much know that the political base with her. She's imagine this Michael. You've just lost it by election in Hartley Paul and you say as a Southern middle class lawyer. I'm going to take responsibility and to do that. You fire the most prominent Northern woman with a working class background on your sort of front bench in your top team. Does that sound to you like a particularly astute thing to do because I think it's kind of up there with the most counterproductive measures you could do in response to what we've seen over the last 24 hours 40 hours. It weakens Kirsten both internally and externally externally because labor doing terribly because they're incredibly divided because the right is openly declared war on the left for a year. There's too much factualism. They need to stop fighting each other. This is like saying put me in a boxing room with Mike Tyson stop fighting each other. No Mike Tyson would kill me in one punch. That's what you're seeing with the labor leadership contra the parties left. There was no infighting. All the fighting is going in one direction and that's seemingly now getting worse. So it weakens him externally to the public. He just looks as ridiculous character who says he takes responsibility. He doesn't take responsibility. The only thing he's interested in is internal factional fights. But it also weakens him internally because you know Angela Rainer actually has far more networks within the Parliamentary Labor Party than Kirsten does. I would say she's one of the best networked politicians in the Labor Party if she has she has contacts with those my left, those in the center, some on the center right. She has geographic connections through the labor movement. I find it astonishing that said you know she was she was in charge effectively of the campaign. I get it. But to do this and now and particularly after his response to the results you know yesterday he looked shambolic ridiculous absurd. He didn't look with it. This doesn't look like you know these don't reflect the actions of a man who is is on top of his game. Let's say they look desperate. They look last ditch. They look like somebody who might be at the door faster than we think. I mean I also do think you know it wasn't a good campaign. But the reason it wasn't a good campaign is because there was no message. There was no vision and it's not Angela Rainer's job. It's not the party chair's job to bring the message in the vision. That's the job of the leader. So I mean it seems like a bizarre response to me. We can get some more detail on this and this is a tweet from Ben Kentish at LBC. So he tweets a Labor Party source has said Kirsten said he was taking for responsibility for the results of the elections and he has said we need to change. That means changing how we run our campaigns in future. Angela will continue to play a senior role in Keir's team. So it's very much like what we've heard from Keir Starmer and his sources. People close to him over the past two days which is I'm taking full responsibility but it's also someone else's fault. I'm taking full responsibility but it's Jeremy Corbyn's fault. I'm taking full responsibility but now it's Angela Rainer's fault. Yeah I mean you know I think basically somebody had to carry the can for what's happened and he's decided it's not going to be Jenny Chapman who's that's who it should be his chief political advisor. I talked about this last night. It was her decision to put Paul Williams as the candidate for Harley-Pool. He was a remainder in a seat that voted leave. He got thrown out. He lost the seat in 2019 because of that. Did so for her in Darlington. So what does she do? She decides to get Paul Williams into Harley-Pool. Someone that voted 70% leave. You're dealing with real political numbskillism with these people and rather than make her carry the can which would be the right thing to do. Keir Starmer said no Jenny Chapman can stay where she is. She's organizing reshuffles at 5am over the phone from Harley-Pool with no sleep. That seems like a bit of a rickety operation itself. No no leave her there. She seems really professional and competent. We're going to get rid of the most popular, most networked, you know, sort of politician who can unite the party against me. We're going to get rid of her instead. You have to ask the question, what does Jenny Chapman have on Keir Starmer? Why would you do that to Angela Rainer and keep Jenny Chapman in her role? So clearly somebody had to take the blame for this and it's an arbitrary decision which can only backfire, I think. I think you're right to bring up Jenny Chapman. So I can just see, according to The Guardian, a senior labour aid claim, there's a lot of pressure to sack her. Also, this is Angela Rainer from MPs and from staff. Then The Guardian report that MPs have been contacted by The Guardian on Friday and singled out other key figures for Blaine, including Starmer's chief of staff, Jenny Chapman, as you're saying there, Aaron. There is one possibility here, which I suppose is potentially suggested by that final sentence in the Labour Sources statement to Ben Kentis. Angela will continue to play a senior role in Keir's team. So it could be that this was actually a reshuffle and she's going to get quite a high profile job in the Shadow Cabinet, but they just leaked the sacking before they leaked the new job. Although I suppose, presumably, if they've sacked her, it wasn't at her will. They could have tried to persuade her, Angela, we think you'd be better as Shadow Hell for whatever. Do you think that she might end up with a role that's equally as important and then we might all think of this as a storm and a teacup? I just don't know why you would make any decisions now, Michael. I mean, this is given what's happened, given the internal fight. He said he'd take responsibility and he said Labour must change. So change, they must. Well, I think, Michael, for me, you know, Keir Starmer, when you look at this country, you think Carillion, how does that happen? The collapse of Carillion or how do these outsourcing giants keep on failing and yet they get new cushy contracts? It's because they never face the consequences and that genre of leadership, which we see in those companies, is exactly what I see with Keir Starmer. You never take responsibility. Where there's a mistake, somebody else must have made it. And I think he comes from the very same kind of corporate political culture that that stuff emerges from. You know, there's a social phenomenon in this country where stuff goes wrong and nobody in charge seems to take any responsibility for it. And I very much see that reflected in Keir Starmer.